11 Best NEW Additions to SMT V Vengeance

[@TheGamingShelf]

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[@slam-zany]

Saving anywhere is the biggest upgrade for this game. Completely changes the experience for me. Great video!

[@TheGamingShelf]

Couldn't agree more!

[@Kawennirok]

Saving was never a issue theere were plenty of leyline founts around so i could really go either or

[@Red4350]

alot of "hadcore" players were complaining about it like "its not SMT if it has a save anywhere option"

[@KurosuGon]

@@Kawennirokyeah I totally agree, it was a great balance between “your actions have consequences” and “saving isn’t that hard”

[@Kawennirok]

@@KurosuGon im in shinjuku now in smt 5 and these leyline points are the worst i have ever seen

[@issou90]

A pleasure Not on switch : 00:51 - Higher resolution and framerate 01:30 - Better Loading Times On switch also : 02:00 - Can Save Anewhere 02:47 - New Story Content 04:02 - Guest Characters 04:49 - Demon Haunts 05:42 - increased Combat Speed 06:54 - Magatsu Rails 07:40 - Smoother Demon Fusions 08:32 - Recommended Subquest Levels 09:06 - Batch Using Growth Items

[@NordicAndNerdy]

Damn it. I thought I would finally be able to stop rewarding Atlus for releasing a better version of their games a couple years later. I thought, "It's not Persona 5, I played SMTV thoroughly, and I enjoyed it, but I had my fill, I'm good." But it couldn't be that easy. Rest in peace, wallet and free time, you shall be missed.

[@TheGamingShelf]

😂

[@robertrogers6487]

I was burned by fes and never gave in and as it turns out every one of their releases gets a re-release so I just wait for those. Only exception was p5 because I just came across it blind in the wild and learned the hard way why I wait

[@WakkaMadeInYevon]

I think it works well here because it's an entire second route that branches off from the first. The early game is similar, but there are enough changes to make it fresh. With Persona games on release, you're already anticipating a rerelease in a few years that tacks on an extra month or two and the true ending, with small story/QoL additions throughout. Vengeance is tackling new ideas, like Apocalypse did, though whether or not you like that one is another matter. It also helps that I *wanted* a new take on V. While the gameplay was always good, the story... wasn't. There was almost no engaging alignment debate or interesting characters, with the endings falling flaccid at best and flat out horrendous at worst. A game can thrive almost entirely on atmosphere, see Nocturne, but I'm not gonna turn up my nose at them giving this story another shake. I'm still in the middle of my playthrough, so time will tell if it pulls through.

[@blakewalker94]

I never buy the original because I know they're ALWAYS (since I've known the company anyways) are going to publish a more polished, better version at some point so I just wait for the other game to come out.

[@NordicAndNerdy]

@@blakewalker94 My rational brain with a 50 game long backlog fully understands you. My irrational FOMO brain, however, does NOT

[@thebeaphomet9485]

It would be GREAT, if they re-released SMT 4 + Apocalypse like this. I have ZERO regrets buying this V again and IV needs to make a come back.

[@Pduarte79]

An HD port would be cool.

[@RavenousSpectre]

I'm Proud to be a filthy casual!!!

[@TheGamingShelf]

Same 👊😎

[@SpeechGamer]

I’m proud of you, because I’m getting wrecked on normal lol 😅

[@klissattack]

I think the fusion u described existed in the original. It's been part of the series since P3 or P4. The guest characters is really cool

[@demi-femme4821]

Skipping animations was in the original release. Auto-Skill was apparently in IV but I have no idea how to use it.

[@Kawennirok]

Its a app but you have to click L button

[@Fermin-hw5pd]

I've seen it in Digital Devil Saga, no idea how you could use it, also on SMT1, but it used the skills you just used, not auto weakness

[@jetstreamsam1992]

It was also in nocturne

[@alexey635able]

Auto-skill was actually originally from smt 4 except there it was called “auto-pinpoint”. It is still a riddle to me why this feature wasn’t in og smt 5

[@skullcandy14785]

Love the concept but I’m still in the early game to be worth it as it drains alot of mp

[@KurosuGon]

I guess cuz they want you to actually play the game, but this came up in my mind several times while playing. If I know the weaknesses, just auto-use an elemental move that targets their weakness.

[@KurosuGon]

Saving wasn’t a huge problem because 1 you knew the way back 2 fast teleport back to your last leyline 3 it was on the switch, which is portable, so you can just put your device to sleep while you go do something else, assuming no one else will pick it up and use it. Otherwise, just teleport back and save.

[@gotinogaden]

Yep, I never considered saving an issue in the vanilla version. You still get a warning before each major battle, so it's not a problem to backtrack to the nearest save point or just use return pillar upon it being unlocked.

[@aparz4975]

Nah it was awful, if I made any progress I wanna save, but teleporting back was not it, it also discouraged exploration. The system they had in smt iv was perfect, and the change was unnecessary.

[@Alpacalypse8]

I'm replaying canon of creation and it's nice to see some of these new features available there as well! New quests, husks, magatsu rails that lead to new areas, these are all there!

[@Red4350]

Im so hype i cant wait till i get paid and hoping i can get a copy at gamestop, i never played the first one, and this one being two stories gets me really hype. The Qol additions really won me over cause, i get that these games are tough and I'll admit im more of a casual gamer. I love JRPGS even tho most of them are "just right" difficulty. My only grip is, i remember the P5 battle system and it was good but the weaknesses are so OP that its literally like either use them or get punished, which imo is kidna one dimensional. You're kinda forced with one option in battle..tho i could be wrong...anyways Ik i'll have fun tho regardless

[@KurosuGon]

@@Red4350with this, you don’t have to target weaknesses all the time necessarily, you can run a physical build and get extra turns with critical hits instead. You do however want to still avoid getting hit by something you’re weak to. Plenty of items and essences and passive skills for that, though. There’s also guarding.

[@2N3mo001]

Is the battle theme in canon of creation the original or the new one? I picked canon of vengeance but once you hit the in game divergence point (maybe an hr or 2 in) it permanently changes to the new battle theme. Not that I don't like it but I'm still in the prefer the original phase.

[@seanswasey9390]

@@2N3mo001 I'm wondering this as well. I like this one but I much prefer it on the original. Hope maybe they surprise me and start playing it later on.

[@roukerasati9611]

I like how with grimoires and gospels, you don't have to fight to level up after using them. They just automatically do it now.

[@xShadowhawkx]

Believe it or not, once you examined enemies in Final Fantasy XIII your characters would use spells they were weak to. FFXIII relied heavily on auto-battling so it makes sense.

[@TheGamingShelf]

Oh wow! I didn’t realize that.

[@tron0150]

Best addition, removal of level scaling.

[@rajgus7638]

Absolutely I didn't bother with shiva in the og because of it

[@KurosuGon]

@@rajgus7638aw but the music is epic lol And tandava is a great move + it’s useful against demifiend

[@KurosuGon]

@@rajgus7638wait also you cant get the true ending without beating shiva

[@tylerbish2441]

I love how nahobeeho exists just to add another jack frost that looks like a protagonist and to make it funny.

[@darharharhar1484]

That compendium change doesn't sound like a change to me it's been a few years so I might be misremembering but I thought you could always look up the demon you wanted see different ways to build it.

[@AxeMain]

To answer your question about auto skills in Jrpgs - Many of the Dragon Quest games has it. You can assign them tactics like show no mercy or focus on healing and the AI takes care of the rest

[@omegaweapon116]

That's how I usually play Dragon Quest unless it's a hard boss fight. Just moves things along quicker

[@edboi2154]

Decided to play on hard this time around since I only played normal in the original and been having a blast. It also REALLY REALLY helps that the game is on PC so the switch hasn’t been limiting my loading times, frames etc. and also seeing the additions they added to the early game areas. As of now my complaints would just be finding all 200 mimans again and not being able to change the battle theme back to the original one. While I do enjoy the new one I just wish they let me switch between them freely. Saving anywhere is neat too but I got so used to only do it on the founts that I forget it’s even a feature now.

[@sakuyasama8986]

1 word of appreciation for all NS users that played the beta 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Harie0]

😡 you are welcome. 😀 It felt like a safe buy even though I knew of ATLUS's reeputation of re-releasing games with more stuff.

[@LordlyWeeb]

It was really good and took like 65 hours for me to beat. Even with the lost potential of the story, I can't really call that a beta

[@antonioallen9504]

I regret nothing.

[@alterego5550]

😂😂😂

[@wallycastagnir]

Thx

[@feiitogaming]

Oh man, I already loved the original SMTV but this sounds awesome! You got me really excited to play this.

[@codyb.3015]

The ability to save anywhere is a great improvement, but I don't really get why passive aggressive sass about being a busy adult is necessary. You can point out the merits of something without basically insulting every single person who doesn't like it. (Also you could always instantly warp back to a save point from anywhere) Lots of people say JRPGs in general can't be played by "busy adults" because they're so time consuming. Loving the game tho.

[@TheDarkEnigma]

We also live in the era of suspending games, you're busy or gonna work but can't immediately save? Well just put your console into sleep/rest mode and pick it back up later. There is NO excuse for not saving at save points nowadays. Saving anywhere is cool. But in the suspend era, it isnt mandatory at all.

[@FallenDemonFly]

Saving anywhere AND MOST IMPORTANTLY? Fixed Level Disparity: F*ck being unable to do damage because im 10 lvls under my enemy. No more God damn grinding.

[@2N3mo001]

Also mitamas that give gospels are no longer fixed (think it was four? Overworld encounters in OG V) so no need to shell out for dlc (they are still relatively rare).

[@shinyanakagawa8241]

But you can still use Return Pillar in the original tho. The only downside is you need to backtrack your last location before you use Return Pillar to teleport to leylines. But damn those Magatsuhi rails are godsend qol.

[@Mohawk_Productions]

Bought on Amazon, ps5 edition with steel book. But graveyard worker so when I woke up at 10 pm it showed up. But could just install it as I work at 11 pm. Gonna play in the morning after work. Subbed

[@femtrooper]

This was super helpful, Taylor!

[@NerdCrave]

I’m playing this now and I’m having the time of my life. I played 4 or five hours of the bass game. and put it down really enjoying the new additions like save anywhere

[@AlexTheULF]

Auto-Skill is in SMT IV/Apocalypse too.

[@grokashrimp]

Thank you. So much good information.

[@KurosuGon]

Subquest levels is interesting, SMT IV had a “1-10 star difficulty” system which was similar. Honestly, I did like that SMT V treated us to surprises, it was kinda hardcore in a way.

[@lukethephantomthief]

Nahebeeho is the best new addition to Vengeance

[@Andy-sj4ip]

It's good to hear to hear you are really enjoying this game, bc If I remember correctly you weren't too impressed with the original release at first

[@TheGamingShelf]

Yeah it had a lot of annoying quirks, but here they fixed most of them!

[@rspy24]

Auto skills are present in SMT IV and also in Yakuza, like a Dragon 7/8, which has more options, like focusing on supporting the protagonist.

[@fictitiousnightmares]

One thing nobody has explained that I can find, if you choose canon of vengeance or the original path, I get that the stories are different but is it a different game? Like is the original path the original game and the vengeance path the new V game technically? Or If I choose the original path do I just plain miss out on the new story but the game itself is the same overall? So whichever one I pick I miss out on the other unless I do a different playthrough all together? This doesn't seem like the type of game to do multiple playthroughs, but I wouldn't know I guess since I have never played a Shin megami game before this.

[@TheGamingShelf]

Basically yeah, they're totally different. You'll go to mostly the same locations but the stories are totally different.

[@gotinogaden]

The Canon of Creation (the original route) makes little to no sense if you consider the Canon of Vengeance as the canon story. For example, Atsuta takes identical actions in both, but only the CoV can provide adequate explanations for them. In other words, you have to view each scenario as taking place in parallel worlds. The existence of these worlds (as implied in the 4 Horsemen DLC) is known to the higher-order demons, but there's still a significant level of differentiation between the way events unfold in each one.

[@lunarath1]

Auto skill was both in Persona 5 and 3 remake. Not sure about other games but definitely in those.

[@nr2676]

And earlier also in SMT IV

[@flarefire022]

I played this on hard for 100 hours on the switch last winter. Looks amazing but it takes me so long to finish a game I don’t think I can go back again with so many others available

[@moominsean]

I feel like even without changing the battle speed, they sped it up compared to the original game. I'm enjoying it much more this time around. The fights felt kind of sluggish in the vanilla version and really made the game drag after awhile. Also really appreciate the save anywhere feature. In the first 20 hours or so it's not a huge deal but I remember a difficulty spike at some point where I just kept getting my ass beat in random encounters after 20 minutes of being away from a leyline. Now I don't feel like I have to cling to a leyline and grind the closer enemies.

[@InfiniteBeak]

Also RE guest characters, when they return to your party later the game will adjust their level to meet wherever you are in the game, so don't worry if they're a low level when they leave your party 😁

[@ralph4lyf]

This on my Steam Deck OLED is gonna be amazing

[@TheGamingShelf]

Yes! I’ve been playing on mine and it’s been killer 👌

[@21GUILHERME21]

I played p5 royal, p4 golden and p3 reload. Should i play smt3 the one on steam before this or it “doesn’t matter”?

[@TheGamingShelf]

It doesn’t matter honestly. In comparison, I think SMT 3 feels outdated. 5 has so many quality of life features that make it way more enjoyable to play.

[@bonnolog]

4 new villain demons are thickk

[@KurosuGon]

Auto skill existed in SMT IV. I guess they didn’t include it in vanilla SMT V because they wanted players to thoroughly experience the new combat on switch, idk. Or just they were already late in releasing the game.

[@cammac6243]

As someone who enjoyed persona 5 and 3 reload on merciless and wants a more difficult experience, would you recommend this game as a first smt game?

[@Mangk89]

Sure, the og smt v is what got me into smt series, its by far the easiest in the series (still challenging mind you) , if you want some challenge try strange journey (original) or smt 3

[@Mangk89]

Oh i forgot to mention smt v is still harder than persona merciless

[@cammac6243]

@@Mangk89 awesome thanks 🙏

[@neoandroid8586]

So, do you recommend playing the OG story first? or just going straight to the new one? Im talking if we never finished the first

[@TheGamingShelf]

I’d say straight into the new one. I think it’s more interesting overall.

[@YoungReezy211]

Is the new one completely new or does it cover everything in the OG story too? I finidhed all routes on the Switch and bout Vengeance on PC ​@@TheGamingShelf

[@Benny-Arts]

@@YoungReezy211its the OG story with new story stuff added (think persona 5 vs persona 5 royal)

[@igotbit9454]

U can save anywhere. I dunno the save pts made it fun for me cause it scared the f out of me to get back to it without dying

[@TheGamingShelf]

There was definitely a certain risk/reward factor, but for me I just don’t like wasting my time with games anymore so adding stuff like that was really nice.

[@Personoflordlycalibur]

SMT IV allows you to use autoskill but its an ability you have to buy

[@TheGamingShelf]

Oh weird!

[@Priomful]

2:28 Am I going crazy or are those demons your fighting letting it all hang out?

[@xavierperez5697]

Does the dlc from the original game wtk with the new game ?

[@TheGamingShelf]

I think it’s included.

[@xagon2012]

I wonder which campaign I should play first when I get the game. Any recommendations?

[@TheGamingShelf]

It’s so hard to say…I honestly I like the new Canon of Vengeance route personally but it’s up to you 🙂

[@gamester512]

Personally? I'd say do the Canon of Creation (optionally getting all four possible endings first, which consists of the Law Ending, Chaos Ending, Neutral Ending, and True Ending) first, and then do the Canon of Vengeance. This way you'll more readily be able to see what's different in the Canon of Vengeance story.

[@codyb.3015]

As someone who beat the OG, I'd say just do the new new run. There's not much story content in the OG, and it's a 50+ hour investment. May as well just play the new run and play the OG after if you want to play more.

[@xagon2012]

Thanks guys. I think I will go with Cody's suggestion and play the new campaign first.

[@Tarodenaro]

The addition of that girl own story reminds me of Strange Journey redux, it probably wont changed much of the story but it's going to annoy some fans in usual Altus way, i've guess.

[@jockcooper8888]

did I do something wrong? I'm about 11 hours in and it's basically the same game so far; some new small map areas, human party member, demon haunt etc. But otherwise the same. Maybe once I'm past the first map (Netherworld)?

[@BigMac5]

Which story should you play then?

[@TheGamingShelf]

Totally up to you! There’s no “right” route.

[@pumpkinnight6557]

Question - I sunk over 100 hours into the base game; is this worth buying just for the new section of the game? 🎃

[@beanz5596]

yes its very much worth

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Yes! Vengeance is a whole new story once you're passed the 1st area

[@Red4350]

Dragon Quest has had auto skill for a while "show no mercy"

[@JayEm1325]

To newcomers: Dont bother with the OG story, its an incomplete campaign with no character interactions, growth or anything, events just happen between gameplay progression and then ti ends. Just skip that and go to the new campaign which has actual characters, interactions, growth, etc.

[@Thegeektoendallgeeks]

auto-skill was there in SMT 4 and SMT 4A don't know why vanilla 5 didnt have it

[@rodelcorton8815]

I still bought the switch version and it carried over some of my demons namely idun and cleo gotta love these two carried me the whole game especially idun

[@gamester512]

How does the carry over work? Do you get to hand-pick which demons you carry over, or does it choose them automatically? I got Vengeance on PS5, but I'm most likely going to get the Switch version as well at some point.

[@rodelcorton8815]

I havent tested it yet since i just got it and im still busy at work but from startup it says that it carried over my lv 99 idun and cleo

[@Fermin-hw5pd]

​@@rodelcorton8815What, so you can't choose who goes over?

[@rodelcorton8815]

Apparently not you even start at lv3 just with some freebie items i will probably play it more tomorrow so i will know by then

[@albyx]

Probably the only thing that bugs me is how the controls are still basically Nintendo controls. You still have to use X and O (on PlayStation) menus but then switch to O for confirming and main action button presses, even when you switch it out in the configuration section. Feels kind of lazy or an after thought.

[@huggsx9936]

ok this is my first time playing and it's amazing and I keep seeing Yoshitsune was good and fusion level 54 and he unlocks at level 45 but I don't see him I did the quest and if it helps I chose to take her hand

[@gamester512]

Yoshitsune isn't even locked to begin with. All you need to do to get him is reach level 45 with your Nahobino and have a pair of demons that can make him via fusion. He's a normal fusion, unlike Alice who is a Special Fusion. There's no quest required to unlock him. Also, once you're close to level 37 (you can be a few levels below or above), do the "Goddess In Training" side quest (this was originally a DLC quest in the original game). Complete the quest (which culminates in a boss battle with Artemis), and Artemis will automatically join you once you win. And she has absurdly good resistances for her level and is one of the best Physical/Ice/Electric demons in the game.

[@mystic865]

XXI age and you cannot choose subtitle language in the game.... Welcome back PS3 era.

[@robertduggan4617]

You missed the best thing: they Nerf the flying demons. For anyone who has played the original all I have to say is Ginza

[@Pduarte79]

#12 Naamah's bootiness. 🤭😏

[@monsterking1973]

I won’t be able to play this till late Tuesday 😢

[@Janfey]

Mermaids are hot in this game!

[@TheGamingShelf]

TOO hot 👀💦

[@Fermin-hw5pd]

They can't be hot, they are always on the water silly

[@armandostockvideos8386]

2:22 I hate being able to save anywhere, that usually removes all the difficulty from a game, temporal saves are very practical and way better for people looking for a real challenge. On the other hand, no checkpoints before a boss battle has always been dumb and sucks. Anyways, I'm more curious about how they rebalanced the whole level-based damage mechanic.

[@rogermelian]

Good thing you are able, not forced. The rest of us can save everywhere because we don't care about artificial difficulty in games.

[@Fermin-hw5pd]

Yeah but this is 2024, games are supposed to be available for most people

[@armandostockvideos8386]

@@rogermelian Oh yeah, dying having some sort of consequence, such an artificial difficulty.

[@Kswitchem]

"I want my game to be as annoying as possible"

[@dond2377]

@@rogermelian Consequences and artificial difficulty are not the same... So, temporal saves in a puzzle game are a go? Failing a fight/puzzle and having to go back/figure out the puzzle is not artificial difficulty.

[@AginoEvolutionHD]

If I'm not wrong, dragon quest 11 have auto attack and skill.

[@saschafeld5528]

Most Exe-creat RPGs have it.

[@truesdale7388]

Calling it now….yoko is secretly a demon

[@Faustustopheles]

I'd say the worst addition is the deletion of the original. I haven't seen or heard anyone caring about the delisting of SMT V. I'm sure someone out there has to care about delisting of games and their dlc.

[@EXFrost]

for once idm it when its from online stores and the original and the remaster are the same price and it has the base game built in. makes sense as to not confuse people wanting to buy the game. they may think vengeance is a sequel. which it is not. its the definitive version of smt v. same engine, improved gameplay, extra optional content. for something like strange journey redux vs og strange journey im way more understanding. but this is basically just smt v. thered be no reason to get the original and people who had the original still have it the dlc complaint is entirely valid tho and kinda scummy

[@rogermelian]

No one talks or care because it's not deleted, it's available through Vengeance. Why buy the og for the same price if you can buy the complete edition?

[@sapphire5780]

That's because it's not much of a problem in this case. If you have SMTV and it's DLC, you keep it and nothing changes (you can still redownload your content, if it's not on the system too). If you don't have SMTV, you buy Vengeance and get SMTV, it's DLC, and more in one package. The only case where this is actually a problem is if you have SMTV, don't have the DLC, but also don't want to get Vengeance. That's one very specific case

[@demi-femme4821]

Yeah that's some bs.

[@Fermin-hw5pd]

I don't really care, it feels suspicious given that most Atlus re releases don't delete the og game, but there's not much of a point in buying the original now

[@MyThunderstrike]

Dyad Fusion was available in the original 😅

[@TheGamingShelf]

Compendium Dyad Fusion is new. The way I worded it was bad lol

[@Ishin69]

bro how did you survive in the OG game without fusing demons? 😂

[@TheGamingShelf]

I had it rough xD

[@mistersunshine]

Persona 3 reload did auto magic too

[@TheGamingShelf]

Ah see I knew there was gonna be another game that did it 😆 Thanks!

[@brandonleemoss]

I've seen the switch to PS5 comparisons the switch version looks better to me because it has shimmer and shine

[@TheCobraKing209]

Nahobeeho, nothing more need be said

[@agnosticgamerdarthdracarys5859]

6:27 FFXIII

[@drkmgic]

Vengeance seemed a lot easier for me

[@wallycastagnir]

So canon of vengence is smt4 apocalypse for smt5

[@mgsxmike]

It's not

[@probablysanny9351]

Animation skipping was in the original

[@ilikestamps2978]

One more Nintendo rejected

[@cmhsky]

Ngl. I didn't like the switch version. I'm two hours into this and it is awesome.

[@TheGamingShelf]

It’s SUCH a huge difference with better resolution and frame rate, OMG

[@cmhsky]

@@TheGamingShelf the top down map when you press dpad up is so immersive you can tell what demons are spawning 🤣

[@engr.reyes3]

I got it running at aprox. 120 fps on my gaming laptop. So good

[@TheGamingShelf]

Hell yeah 👌

[@Nicholas-nu9jx]

Runs 60fps on steamdeck

[@truesdale7388]

8:00 this was always a feature…nothing new

[@techneko1610]

The base game has Dyad Fusion, but Vengeance added Dyad Compendium Fusion. In both you start with a demon from your stock, and while the former restricts you to just other demon from your stock, the new one allows you to fuse with anything in your compendium. It's nothing major, but lets you see far more options if you know you want to fuse a with a specific demon.

[@murdocbaff3937]

Graphics aren't that impressive I'm just wondering how good is the gameplay because that's what it's a good game

[@TheGamingShelf]

It's basically the highest budget dungeon crawler + Persona combat. A little lighter on story but as a package it's fantastic.

[@gamingdudedonal3312]

Some of these "new" features are literally already in the main game

[@A.Hanson]

I was kind of excited about this game when it looked like it would have actual party members but hearing that they are just guests and you still have to mostly rely on the generic monsters.... still a pass from me.

[@adamtideman4953]

Wait... You're telling me you weren't able to save whenever you wanted in the vanilla version? The most basic, bare minimum feature of any game? I can't imagine playing the game without it, I save literally after every encounter. It's like Atlus make their games flawed on purpose just so they can "fix" it later in the updated, directors cut version that's released years later at full price. Watch, Metaphor ReFantazio won't have autosave, fast travel or a freakin world map on launch and then Atlus will add it to the game when they release the Metaphor Royal/Golden/Vengance version of the game. I'm calling it now.

[@techno--]

the original game absolutely isn't flawed for not including it, and it's a conscious design decision to include it or not. It's not really a problem in Vengeance because you can already instantly teleport back to leylines in the original, but it would completely ruin the feel of traditional dungeon crawlers like Nocturne or the Etrian Odyssey games. It's exactly why Nocturne HD added suspend saves instead of save anywhere to preserve the design philosophy of the original game.

[@gran761]

Shock u really? U don't know how to play hard jrpg games

[@LongTran-kp3kz]

As a gamer and cultured lover of RPGs, especially the more old school ones, you filthy casuals disgust me. Having said that, there are more of you than there are of us so I have to accept that the market bows to the crowds in the pursuit of just one more dollar/currency of choice. Having said that, I'm fine with playing it on switch. Portability and all that. And I can always wait for a steam sale.... though I hate steam..... Ugh. The tradeoffs and compromises of being an adult in the real world... Makes me wish life were like an RPG even more than I already do, haha.

[@RootVegetabIe]

lol Switch. Nice casual system, casual.

[@Fermin-hw5pd]

Tf is my man talking about

[@codyb.3015]

What are your issues with it? It's not like it's significantly easier like P3R and P5R were to their originals.

[@LongTran-kp3kz]

@RootVegetabIe Nice try casual. It's not platforms but ppl and mindsets that define casuals. And you 9bviously ignored my mentioning me waiting for a stesm sale, cuz y'know PC too. I do like the switch. What of it? I'm no Nintendo simp, but so long as it's got games I want to play and can let me play on the go, I'll play with it. Steam deck's not really an option atm, and I kinda hate steam as a platform. But sure, switch is 'casuals'. ...You go on believing that.

[@LongTran-kp3kz]

@codyb.3015 My issue's not with the game. Like at all. I just despise the mindset of filthy casuals and the industry need to pander yo them bc the reality is, casuals are the bulk of the market and ppl like making money. I accept and tolerate it, but I don't have to like it. That's all.

[@least.insane.femboy]

agree on point 2, the load times in this game are near non-existent. in fairness, it uses a switch game as it's base, but it's very well-optimized and i've never had any issues with load times, dropped frames, etc.