RAM 2500 6.7L CUMMINS Hydraulic Lifter Failures *Diesel Mechanic Explains* | Not Good?

[@lrizo3841]

320,000 miles on my 2019 Cummins with no issues, but I've been running 10w-30 AMS Oil in my truck since day one, and I tow heavy every day. I also change my oil every 10,000 miles..

[@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel]

Awesome you're doing great. But I would switch to the 0w40 Diesel and go 7,000 miles max. It turns out that most oil analysis isn't telling the truth. I've had the same RAM truck for 23 years & never had anything go wrong minus a stuck auto lock and blown speakers. You can still make it to 4 or 500,000. But we like going forever. Oil still breaks down. And it's because of contamination. I'd rather run 0w40T6 and change every 3500 miles. Either way God speed, Baruk Hashem. 🇮🇱✝️🇮🇱

[@GettysGarage]

Can't argue with that

[@coreymerritt7742]

I may be a little ocd I have a 2003 5.9 I change my oil every 5000 kilometres I run 15 40 rotella since new 285.000 kms on the truck now it’s quite the debate thanks great video

[@smokinbutts2]

I change my oil every 5,000 miles and I use Rotella 10-30 full synthetic oil.

[@alkalk8938]

​@@coreymerritt7742 03 and early 04s are the cleaning running diesels ever made, HPCR, no egr. I had an 03 that I changed the oil 15-20 thousand miles(upwards of 30K km) and I sold it running great at about 350k miles (565k km). T6 5w40 fwiw. The oil literally, actually literally, didn't get black until 12-15 thousand miles, you could read the dipstick through the oil till at least 10k.

[@mbarber84]

The HLA’s were specifically requested for the FCA engines by Ram in order to reduce NVH. Cummins obliged. But their commercial B6.7 is, as you already mentioned, still the traditional Flat Tappet. That should tell you everything you need to know. The wrong weight of oil (15w40) is definitely attributable to some of the premature lifter failures, but not all of them. There are deeper issues with the HLA’s in the 2019+ trucks and it’s a combination of supplier quality control failures and also design issues. Ram needs to scrap the HLA design and go back to the tried and true flat Tappet.

[@joerapo]

Well shame on Cummins for obliging to that request. I'm shocked at how many corporations operate with a scarcity complex. It's not like FCA would have dropped them over this. Cummins is what makes Ram HD trucks so enticing. If FCA were stupid enough to drop Cummins over this GM or Chevy would have been tempted to pick them up or it would open the door for a Japanese manufacturer to develope a HD truck.

[@1hasbeen531]

Same with the CP4 debacle.

[@jamiel9902]

@@joerapoGM or Chevy (same thing) would absolutely not pick up Cummins.

[@lrizo3841]

@jamiel9902 that's because you're young and dumb and don't know any better. Cummins is the best diesel engine for any pickup or commercial vehicle

[@lrizo3841]

@@jamiel9902 🤡

[@majordanggle]

I was running the rotella T6 5W40 in my 2021 3500 HO till about 85k miles and the truck has been great. I just started using 10w30 and the engine seems to operate better. It’s quieter and more responsive. I change my oil every 5,000 miles because I do lots of short trips and since I haven’t had a boating accident yet the truck regens often. Great video by the way!

[@jsned2502]

What brand 10 30?

[@majordanggle]

@@jsned2502 shell Rotella T6

[@oldsalt8011]

I run Schaeffer 5W-40 full snythetic. Im around 23k miles. No issues.

[@hochhaul]

Why does it break the brains of so many truck guys when it comes to oil viscosity? The first number doesn't mean you're running a 5-weight. It means it's thinner when the engine is cold but it's still behaving like a 40-weight oil when the engine is a temperature. It's actually more protective than say a 15W40 when temps dip down low. The oil flows faster and protects a cold engine sooner than the older oil and as it reaches operating temperatures a 5W40 is the same viscosity as the 15W40.

[@dakotadickens8902]

You are correct my guy. They just rip you off when you buy it. Only difference there is

[@tammyspencer9786]

15k service interval? you got to be kidding me. clean oil= long life every time.

[@jeffs2809]

Cummins Ram has had that 15,000 mile OCI interval since the 6.7 came out in 2007. I can’t remember what it was on the 5.9 common rail, but might have been 10,000miles.

[@jamesvpaquette]

@tammyspencer9786 kilometers or miles? That a big difference here! 12000klm is only 7456miles. 15000miles is 24140 kilometers...that's a huge difference.

[@MeowMixDinner]

​@@jamesvpaquetteAmerican miles

[@onstar1869]

My 2012 says to change oil every 7,500 miles. My ecm reminder turns on every 6,700 miles. 😢😢

[@jeffs2809]

@@onstar1869 maybe my memory is worse than I thought 🤷‍♂️. I’m almost certain I was doing it more often than what was called for in the owners manual @10,000 miles. I know for sure that I never reset the OCI without changing the oil& filter. My ‘14 & ‘17 definitely call for 15,000 mile OCI’s & I’m still doing 10,000. I’ve always used full synthetic (5w40) for my trucks after the 1st couple oil changes.

[@tekn1x]

Really appreciate you sharing findings and getting information out to the community! As the owner of an 18 3500 with the 6.7L, I am interested in design changes like this (and the CP4) as the 6.7 Platform gets revised. I bought my cummins for the reliability - I dont mind wrenching, as long as my truck doesnt let me down...so I'm hanging onto my 4th gen! Reliable resources are getting harder to find, in a time when corporations are working hard to mask problem areas to save reputation. Love the content! Keep it coming!! Subbed! 🤘👌

[@wallyyuriy8912]

Yep. Wish I knew this before I bought my ram. 2009 Duramax I had before had 370,000km. No issues

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

I have a 21 Ram 3500 HO with 37,000 on it, and it's been error free. I currenly change the oil everying 6 to 8k mikes and have run Hotshot EDT in the truck since the 2nd tank of fuel. It's been a fantastic truck so far.

[@brycelund4112]

37K is barely broken in for a diesel. It should go 200k+ without a major engine failure with 6k mile oil changes.

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

@brycelund4112 I agree. But I've seen so many people on KZbin that have had all kinds of emission issues, warning lights, and failures on all kinds of engines with low miles. My wife has a 2021 Yukon Denali, and we just lost the 6.2 liter engine to complete failure because of CrankShaft bearings. Thank God it was still under warranty. It had 31,700 miles on it. Apparently, this was a known issue on some 2021's but we had no idea.

[@onstar1869]

Have you ever tried the arch oil compared to the hotshot edt?

[@DavidBrown-jt7yi]

@@onstar1869 yes

[@davidhillbrand2302]

Great video and great detailed explanation of the changes that have been made to the Cummins engines. It is disappointing to see Cummins has changed the valve train for the Ram trucks vs. the commercial engines. Cummins was great originally because the kept it simple and now they have made changes that have hurt their reliability.

[@jefflamb2900]

I agree with your skepticism on the saved maintenance. I have a 2018 ram 3500 and just did the 240000km valve lash adjustment. $167 and that’s alberta prices.

[@GettysGarage]

Exactly, I’d much rather have solid lifter and pay 170 bucks every 5 years

[@sw5334]

My truck is over KMS for the adjustment. I’m at 288000. I’m in Edmonton, where did you get yours done, I don’t want to take it to the dealer.

[@jefflamb2900]

@@sw5334 Go Pro Diesel in Fort Mac

[@jonny6.743]

$ 167 … If do it your self is even free* I know mine when is almost about time by the sounds of the motor specially after run it the whole day under a load .. ohh yeah .. you can hier that gap flapping at the top of the head cover

[@fastinradfordable]

@@jonny6.743”a whole day” Is literally nothing for a diesel engine.

[@slidewide1999]

I think the main reason they went to hydraulic roller lifters is noise, efficiency, and emissions.

[@GettysGarage]

I wouldn't disagree with that.

[@davedavidson9638]

Appreciate all your videos!

[@GettysGarage]

Thank you sir

[@thaisoverthehill]

My 2019 ram 2500 160k on it. Always ran rotella t5 10w 30. Cylinder 1 exhaust lifter failed. Luckily caught i time. No damage. Getting flat tappet conversion put in now.

[@WildBill541]

How did you realize it was on its way out?

[@thaisoverthehill]

​@@WildBill541​ started off in the morning getting a hard thump. For maybe a minute. Then goes away. Also had an annoying tick especially @ idle. People kept say my cp3 pump was out of phase. Nope it was the lifter not getting a good prime. I have ran the truck hard since the conversion and it works great. I am even getting the best fuel mileage. Pulling a trailer total weight 16k and average 10.5 to 11 mpg cruising @ 75 mph. No trailer it's around 17.5 mpg. I drive pretty hard to. I also still have oem exhaust no delete. Best money spent

[@Steadierpark]

50k miles on my 2021 light hauling and daily driving. 10w30 and Mopar filter every 7k miles. Oil analysis keeps saying everything is fine so not gonna worry too much, especially since it’s been deleted from new.

[@mojohauling2716]

2023 SO 3500 with 73,000 miles, tow 10-20k all day every day, changing oil every 5-6k miles with Schaeffers synthetic 5-40, so far so good, no issues. Hoping it l will last at least 200k without issue

[@joewright9784]

The people that service our trucks use shaeffers. No issues. I started getting a little lifter tick. She suggested Shaeffers moly additive, and it went away. 2022 std output with 100k miles. We change oil every 7-8k ish. My whole emissions just crapped the bed. The DPF plugged and split so did the EGR cooler.

[@FunnyAnimalsCrew]

What is the cost to fix this issue? I think mine needs this fixed

[@crt5866]

We always change out our oil every 5,000 miles and we have never had any engine problems with any of our cars (1981 ram 250, 2015 Subaru outback, 2018 Toyota Tacoma, 2022 ram 3500) Doesn’t matter the make model or year regular oil changes keep your cars alive

[@briankummer6537]

I believe with the current emissions on the 6.7 and the engine having to regenerate all soot etc that the oil becomes contaminated very rapidly. I personally change not only my 6.7 and 5.9 Cummins oil at 5000 miles all of my gas engines receive the same service interval. It cheap insurance in my eyes . And in 35 years of driving I have never had an engine failure.😊

[@GettysGarage]

I mean the regens have nothing to do with oil really but the EGR pushing all that soot through the engine certainly does. So I can't argue with that.

[@briankummer6537]

I ment to type regurgitate my bad

[@robstatetx]

Why don't you change the oil on the gassers at 2,000? They are running on less than half the amount of oil than the diesels, the oil gets hotter and can contaminate more quickly. My opinion, which is only valid for me, is that if the oil performs perfectly for 10,000 then changing at 5,000 is throwing money away and wasting time.

[@Arexodius]

@@GettysGarage Well, if the regen cycles work by injecting fuel on the exhaust stroke (like you've explained before), you should get more fuel contamination of the oil over time. Fuel contamination of the oil is one of the biggest contributors to excessive component wear. At least according to Lake Speed Jr. aka "The Motor Oil Geek". That and soot. Nasty business all of that. Wonder if you've heard of Speed of Air pistons. If you haven't you should definitely research those! Amazing stuff that greatly mitigates all of the harmful effects of the after gas acronym soup.

[@Arexodius]

I'm a firm believer in "shorter" intervals on most engines, gas or diesel. The longer intervals on many modern diesel applications are just a recipe for failure in the long run. Oil does get contaminated no matter what, especially in diesel applications, and the more contaminated it is, the more wear is introduced to all of the components. I'd rather spend twice as much or more on oil changes than a fortune in repairs due to various failures.

[@shanes481]

I just had the 150k mile valve adjustment done on my 05 Ram 5.9 cummins. $750 at a local shop. Never getting rid of this truck.

[@GettysGarage]

those 5.9L are worth their weight in gold.

[@skateAM1]

I run valvoline premium blue 5w40 and have 48k miles with zero issues. I live in WA state where it drops down to -5 during winter and 105 during summer.

[@Razorbacklifer]

I really believe that the key to preventing the hydraulic valve train failures is to keep the oil changed regularly! Keeping the oil clean and using a good quality oil is the key! I have my oil and filters changed every 5,000 miles, not the normal 15,000 miles recommended by the manufacturer!

[@hmong_keeb_kwm]

Thanks, I'm learning so much from your videos. Thanks, man. 😊

[@mdgeist472]

Hi Getty. Since you have access to the regular tappets and to the updated roller engines, it would be insightful to measure the valve spring rates for each. I assume that in order for the engines using the rollers to hit their power/torque/rpm/epa numbers, they have to use way higher spring rates to keep the valves from floating too much. That plus the oil sludge issue would cause the cams to wear alot faster.

[@Cobruhh93]

GM and Fords 6.7 have been running Hydraulic lifters for years with no issues. The 6.6 L5P had some issues early on because they switched to a LS style lifter but all other years have been rock solid so hopefully Cummins can get the issues fixed a well designed hydraulic lifters can go as long as a flat tappet design if engineered correctly.

[@repairvehicle]

They have needle bearing in lifters and ram Cummins does not have

[@slayer66thfc]

But in this case the roller isn't failing. It's the part on top of the roller :)

[@AlxJrz401]

Rotella T6 5W-40 on my 2019 3500 with 35k original miles as of this post. I change oil at 5k miles, I want the best with extreme weather conditions Texas heat this summer high 120s - high 20 degrees in the Utah mountain trails in dec/feb. I spoke with Rotella field engineer about this years ago and he said Rotella T6 will get the job done!

[@DennisSchouten-qg6tu]

Hi, just got my 2022 HO 3500 out of the dealership for P2459 code. Believe it or not (sit down for this), the problem was....wait for it.....the engine air filter. Yep, mine had 2 glue strips on the bottom of the filter that created too much of a seal and the engine was basically 'running rich' causeing excessive regen cycles, and also messed up the MAF. Both replaced, and viola, no more issues! The old air filter was a Wix (great filter), but again, make sure (foot stomp) that there are no glue strips on the bottom.

[@Benders25]

I listened to JB reviews he interviewed a Cummins mechanic with 30 years plus in the game, the guy had a good point and he said that all these problems started occurring when manufacturers started putting this lighter weight oil and making it required to run lighter weight oil in these diesel engines and if you look back over time, there was basic maintenance obviously with any motor in the world, but The Cummins motor didn’t have the issues that it currently has today and the only thing that’s really changed. Is the lighter weight oil?

[@hochhaul]

5w40 isn't any lighter than a 15w40 at operating temperatures. But a 5W40 flows way better when the engine is cold and gets oil to the valvetrain much more quickly than 15w40. When the oil is cold, it takes a lot longer to pump hydraulic lifters up with a 15w than a 5w. Until they are pumped up, those lifters are hammering the roller against the cam lobes.

[@1hasbeen531]

Lots of folks were running 5W40 year-round prior to the change to hydraulic rollers.

[@jeffs2809]

I’ve run 5w40 year round in all of my Cummins trucks going back to the 2000 5.9. I considered a newer one than my 2017 at one time, but too many issues popping up on KZbin & forums. I’ll be sticking with the ‘17 for quite awhile & likely replace it with a gas truck if I have to at some point.

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

Jb reviews is an absolute cancer to the pickup world

[@bendweldingllc6950]

I don’t understand like how google says as oil heats up it looses viscosity (agree) also every engine I’ve had looses oil pressure as it warms up. My question is then how does a 5x40w (thinner oil) hold up as well than a (thicker wieght oil) when hot and have comparable viscosity than the thinner (5)w x 40w?

[@thim8009]

I barely unhook my trailer from my 18 ram dually. I pull 28000 pounds. I change my oil every 6000 miles. My mechanic says oil is cheap, motors aren't.

[@-_-_-_-318]

The irony is that oil isn’t cheap anymore

[@gunfreak1911]

@@-_-_-_-318it’s cheaper than a new engine

[@tbfarms4430]

I have a Ram 2500 diesel. Just clocked over 60,000 miles has a horrible lifter tick. I’ve taken it to three different dealerships and only one of them said that they can hear the tick the other two said that they can’t hear it which just pisses me off because it’s very obvious lifter noise. It has gotten way worse since it first started. It is very bad at a cold start. But the tick is there even when the engine is warm. It’s also got compression coming out of the intake on first start up.

[@jonny6.743]

This guys mean sense to me in all his videos I think the same way … Almost everything after 2020 mean no sense at all That mantenence is free ( if do it your self ) I had done it numerous times so … U are right Thats the reazon why We 4th gen owners stick to owrs trucks Im at 880 000 k running better then when I got it out the lot Hwy engine truck pulling trailers Across Canada and States Would b awsome when I pass throw Ontario in one of my work trips have the chance to swing by this gentleman shop to meet him He is on point ALWAYS Keep it up

[@123donmaster]

I have 1 million miles on my 5.9 Cummins i change the filter and add 2 quarts of ams oil every 10k. No issues

[@johnhoffman8203]

Time for an overhead!

[@bradshumate783]

Seems to be a ton of war on 10/30 vs 5/40 on these with no real regard to climate. I have a 21 with 29k she just started making the slightest slightest tick out front and I’m not real sure what it is just yet. I’d be curious if Gettys take on proper weight for these. I have been running mobile delvac extreme 10/30 and changed between amsoil and mopar and fleet guard syn version filters. I just ordered ADV HP 10/30 HD to see if that changes any noise. I almost grabbed 5/40 but I’m not sold that’s the answer. Being an amsoil dealer and shop I almost went that route but I wanted something a tick more extreme which to me was HP see if it changes the sound. That said I’m not sure it is in fact lifter or rod. Which makes me wonder how much of this is “lifter issue” vs the Cummins just developing Cummins noises and causing panic and being mis diagnosed. Especially first time diesel owners. But one thing we know is that fourth gen and down were so clacky you couldn’t hear a tick like that if you wanted. These new motors are so quiet (especially intact) you hear everything.

[@JetSki-420]

great video thanks for the info !!

[@ryan1the8grate]

My 2013 Cummins is at almost 300,000 Mi and I've done only regular maintenance. It has been amazingly reliable. Next truck I buy will be a 2018.

[@522viper]

6.7 PS has always recommended 10w-30 or 5w-40 syn. The advancement of engine and oil technology has made it possible to run lighter weights in heavier duty scenarios.

[@davidjohnson9217]

2019+ show ~4x iron in UOA on average. Pre-2019 Iron was around 9 ppm. 2019+ is around 34 ppm. The lowest I have seen in my 2022 is 50ppm at 6k miles. 10k miles UOA showed 135 ppm. I have ran 10w30 T6 and 5w40 Valvoline prem blue. Best results have been with 5w40 and less than 10k oil changes. I knew to buy for CP3…but never thought to research a change in valve train. 75k on truck and runs great but the UOA…can’t unsee the excessive wear metals that are significantly higher than the pre-2019 engines.

[@bartthomas2895]

I've got a 2022 3500 HO. UOA showed Iron 27ppm at 12,250 mi. Waiting on my 6K sample i just sent in this week. 5-6Kmi changes, Amsoil 10w-30 w/Amsoil filter. Watching and listening for signs of roller lifter wear/impending failure. Will likely go for the Hamilton flat tappet cam and associated items change vs replace the offending roller lifter.

[@davidjohnson9217]

Amsoil 10w-30 is my next change. Never had a temperamental engine and have gotten 350k - 500k from all I have owned on store bought synthetics. Now planning better and keeping 2 Amsoil changes on the shelf. Looking forward to my first UOA on the liquid gold.

[@mattwilliams6381]

Mine failed at 31k on a ‘23 SO. In the shop right now going on week 7 for cam, lifters, rods and rockers

[@hendertucky9325]

What oil weight and type of oil did you use? What milage intervals did you change the oil. Thanks

[@mattwilliams6381]

@@hendertucky9325valvoline premium blue, 5W40 every 7500 miles.

[@mattwilliams6381]

@@hendertucky9325valv PB 5w40 every 7500 miles

[@gunfreak1911]

My 2018 with flat tappets gets T6 15w40. My 2024 with Roller lifters gets T6 5w30. I have zero worries either will have cam or lifter issues

[@kybackwoods3638]

yeah i just got my first one , 2024 .. ive always wanted one , most of the older trucks have already been tuned and deleted , and have high miles and you just dont know if the maintenance has been properly done on them which is what drove me to get a newer truck , but i do wish they had just left things alone with the lifters , videos like this do make me nervous. I would never go 15k between oil changes personaly.

[@davidmitchell7183]

Detroit diesel used roller lifters in the 71 series engine beginning in the late 1930's. As I recall, they were trouble free regardless of the oil viscosity. These weren't hydraulic rollers, however. Maybe go to a non-hydraulic roller lifter?

[@Slingshot277]

The roller lifter is superior to the tapet. However the hydraulic lifter isn’t. Most large diesels use cam follower lifters and id support that any day.

[@walter_5010]

Is there a benefit to running synthetic over standard 10w-30 in the warner months? Why do they switch from standard oil to synthetic from summer to winter? I know why for winter, the waxes and paraffins in the oil. But why not stick with synthetic year round?

[@joeblow5037]

KTM 790/890 cam-itis (cheap metalurgy) I was surprised they had used solid lifters in the past. I'd be interested where the hydraulic lifters are made. (KTM has moved a lot of it's manufacturing to China) Good stuff as always, Alex

[@GettysGarage]

it would be interesting to know where they are sourcing these lifters from!

[@luisamoroso3648]

20000 miles on my 2023 Ram 3500 HO and it already has a failed cam / lifter. It's been dealer serviced and has spent 40% of my ownership at the dealership 😢

[@scotttaylor4181]

I change my oil every 12,000 kms on my 2021 Ram 2500. More often than called for but I’ve always done this (this is my 3rd 2500 with a Cummins). I’m at 155,000kms and have extended warranty to 160,000. Went for my oil change last week and apparently I have a camshaft/lifter issue. 🫤 at least dealer has been great, it’s under warranty but this video made me realize it’s likely a bigger issue especially the 2021 model year.

[@CAPTAINBUCKETS99]

106,000 Miles on my 2021, 2500, 6.7 Cummins. Bought it with 100k miles. Almost certain I have a lifter failure. I have the iconic driver side faint tick that I have seen indicates this failure (was not aware of that issue before my purchase, however I did notice that tick before purchasing). Getting it into the shop in a few weeks. After doing some research seems like OEM replacement is the best bet. After market kits for roller replacement require, lifters, push rods, springs, rocker arms, for the small price of $4,700. OEM is much cheaper. Flat tappet requires super stringent break in of running the truck at 2500 RPM for 30 minutes, and adding zinc additives to your oil, forever. For an engine not designed for that additive not sure if there are other part failure consequences when that is done. In my research I've also seen people talk about the keying on the lifter being a very low profile, potentially causing axial play causing the lifter to not be true perpendicular to the cam, thus not having a perfect role. The oil consistency, and oil change intervals may likely play in this failure as well. Sucks having a picky truck, and doing a cam job is ridiculous if you don't have a lift to push the whole body off of the frame. Will update with what the shop discovers and how much I'm in for.

[@stevenrossi8173]

I would 100% go with a hamilton flat tappet kit if i had lifter issues and was going to get a replacement.

[@farva75089]

@@stevenrossi8173 FULLY AGREE AND THE ADDITIVE PACK HE IS TALKING BOUT IF NOT DELETED CAN CAUSE SOME NASTY ISSUES WITH THE DPF, BUT SHIT IF DELETED HAMILTON ALL THE WAY! CURRENTLY I RUN HOTSHOT 10W30 BLUE DIAMOND AND HAVE NOTHING BUT GREAT SUCESS WITH HER BUT I CAN HERE THE LIFTERS EVERY SO OFTEN. THE HAMILTON IS TO COME FOR SURE AND AT THAT POINT WITH MISSING ITEMS ITS BACK TO HOTSHOT SECRET BLACKDIAMOND 15W40 WHICH ALREADY HAS THE GOOD ADDITIVES IN IT! ALSO WILL BE PUTTING A BYPASS FILTER IN JUST TO HELP ELEMINATE EXTRA MESS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE!

[@philcaldwell4940]

Hi, on 2011 tru 2014 ceramic bearing in the turbo what is percetage of failure to the turbo?

[@oldsalt8011]

Im running Schaeffer 5W-40. Is there anything wrong with that and Hydraulic Lifter? Full Synthenic.

[@jaredaimee5232]

2022 124k mine is in the shop for bad lifters right now. Getting that sorted is fun. 5-40 oil changes at 10k km since I’ve owned it

[@onerealniggahelpingotherni7843]

Mine is in the shop getting lifters redone and a new Transmission

[@bartthomas2895]

Ouch. Just bought a 2022 HO w/11K mi. Doing Amsoil 10w-30 every 5K mi and engine oil analysis to catch a roller lifter going bad. Are you going the flat tappet cam (Hamilton) route or just replacing the bad lifters?

[@jaredaimee5232]

@ dealer is putting in a new short block under warranty

[@derekbeyers8804]

2019 ram 3500 6.7 cummins. Running Amsoil 6x 15w-40 and change every 5k-7k and no issues yet at 94k miles

[@matthewmcdowell4261]

I had a 2022 ram 2500 that developed a lifter knock at about 27,000 miles. I actually think the reason it started knocking is because it was constantly going through DPF regens and was getting too much fuel dilution in the oil. The excessive fuel dilution compromised the oil and its ability to properly lubricate the valve train. I think Ram needs to redesign their regen strategy and use a 7th fuel injector downstream of the engine block rather than injecting fuel on the exhaust stroke of the engine block. Might help improve valve train longevity.

[@jamesorr2832]

My 2020 ran in regen 90% of the time, dealer say that's normal!! Yeah Right.

[@dougmarshak7427]

I have the 2022 high output. Sad we are going to deal with this. I started the truck doing oil at 6000 mile service. I have dropped the interval down from that to 5000 and less. Hope I'm buying time for aftermarket to have a solution. This is sad buying a truck for almost 100 g and the heart is bad. I never got rid of my 5.9 and it is still making money.

[@dougmarshak7427]

I did banks upgrade and seemed to help with Regen. Not eliminated but seems to do alot better than stock. Air intake horn and boost toobs.

[@NoName-c4y7h]

Built for the haul, not for the mall. I only recall 1 Regen below 100k miles.

[@mikemamuyac5850]

The Getty Adventures, I have a 2020 Ram 2500 cummins, what would we be your recommended interval as a consumer of these vehicles that can prevent hydraulic lifter failures from happening would it be 6000-8500 miles as well do oil analysis to see if their any potential wear? I'm using 10w30 oil since I dont get temperature below 0 degree Fahrenheit.

[@StevelsCamping]

Hydraulic lifter in the Chrysler 3.6 gas engine has the same problem. I had a Jeep wrangler with that engine, had to change all the lifters and a camshaft due to a couple failing. I've got a 2011 Ram 3500 with the 6.7, this I will not be upgrading.

[@slayer66thfc]

Wonder what the mpg changed to with thinner oil and rollers?

[@glockman4053]

23 Ram 2500 with 12k. I notice this tick at the dealer after the first fuel filter service at 8k. It hasn't gone away yet. I don't understand how a fuel filter service causes this.

[@lifeontheinline]

Yes concerned I have a tight oil interval 6-8k So will see I have 110k on a 22 ram And no issues to report so far actually runs beautifully and gets great gas mileage 10-12l /100k full emissions

[@coltonworkman1206]

So sounds like if we use the correct grade of oil we’re fine?

[@D3thM3tal]

Odd they would blame and change the oil, I'm fairly certain Duramax and Powerstroke are both hydro lifters and T4 15-40 is the go-to oil on those... 50K+ on my 6.7 PSD with zero issues - -20*F starting every winter too.

[@wizard_of_poz4413]

You're really playing Russian roulette using that oil. I would never use conventional 15w in any truck that I'm towing with

[@thim8009]

I've got a 18 ram Cummins. At what miles should I have my old style lifters adjusted? I've got an 05 with 113k also.

[@mb2stroke816]

I adjusted the valves on my 12 valve at 170000 miles and my 6.7 at about 150000 miles. Neither where out of spec, though some valves were on the edge. It wasn't very hard to do, not a big deal.

[@wtbman]

I adjusted mine at 65k miles. They were out of spec so if things get noisy it may need to be done sooner. Mine was also throwing misfire codes but seems to be fine now. It's definitely a lot quieter too.

[@austinsaltsman-gl6zv]

I’ve got a 21’ 3500 HO with 93,000 miles. Just found out I’ve been running 15W-40… sBut no issues. I’m in FL. Should I go to 5w-40 or 10w30? I’m not sure I want the 30. But I want to switch to what’s recommended so I don’t have lifter issues.

[@donoberley3582]

Great video, I’m super concerned as I’m hesitant to drop the huge dollars on one of these trucks. We are retired and do lots of towing miles with our 2004 5.9 Cummins dodge ( 200.000 km ) love the truck but as you get older the noise the truck makes when hauling is bothering our hearing. Plus in 2004 the truck has less power no Bluetooth,poor stereo less overall creature comforts but…… has great fuel economy and never breaks down. Oh and it’s paid for. See my dilemma? I would like if you were to dig deeper into the lifter issue.

[@WBOS72]

Thanks Alex. Give me flat tappets any day. Any other issues with them?

[@oldsalt8011]

Schaeffer 5W-40 changed every 5,000 miles. I love my truck too much to worry about the extra cost of an oil change.

[@johnnymerck8572]

The fact that Cummins can't figure out how to use a common lifter design that is well agreed to be better in power and maintenance in all other engine categories(excluding max effort race only engines) that has been in mass production for 30 or so years now speaks for itself...

[@williamrussomano3014]

Hello Alex. I'm asking a big question to you. Would you be willing to make a review video of Fords 6.2 gas v8? The reason why I'm asking is because my long time childhood friend owns 3 superdutys with the 6.2 and a gen 1 Raptor with the 6.2. All 3 superdutys have over 250,000 miles with no issues and are the hardest working trucks on his farm property. I've been wanting to see a deep dive review of the 6.2 and I trust you're words and thoughts. Thanks 😃 greetings from Pennsylvania

[@Arexodius]

Could you convert a 5th gen 6.7 to flat tappets relatively easy? You probably need a different camshaft, but if that's about it, then why not go for it?

[@Not-Bon]

Warranty.

[@TheKtmnate]

RAM recomends oil change at 15k. Unless you use any biodiesel. Not sure about Canada, but most of the diesel stations in the USA are anywhere between 5%-15% RAM then recomends 12k interval. Where I live, we have Biomass diesel (not to confused with Biodissel) so I change oil every 5k.

[@RobertBradstreet]

You might want to look into the fact that RAM trucks have a frequent regeneration issue that they cannot resolve. I have a 2022 Ram 3500 with a HO cummins engine. It gave its first check engine light at a little over 5000 miles.(code P2459 to frequent regen cycles). It has been doing a regen every 100 miles since that. This process is causing diesel fuel to get into the oil pan. Within just a few thousand miles after my last oil change I am already a quart over full on the dip stick. It has been tested and shows fuel in the oil. RAM has no answer for this other than to blame programming for the problem. But they do not know what the answer is and will not replace the engine control module or reprogram it. So you might test not only the hydraulic lifters but other engine components as to what the diesel fuel dilution is doing to that engine.

[@GettysGarage]

Very well could be, a good friend of mine had a 2021 3500 HO and his truck would regen almost daily. dealership threw the parts cannon at it but solved nothing - he ended up wisely trading it in. the Powerstroke and I believe the Duramax as well all use a "9th" fuel injector which directly dumps fuel into the DPF for regens. whereas the cummins dump extra fuel into the combustion chambers for regens. which 100% dilutes the oil with diesel but especially when the engine is running frequent regens. didn't really put the two together but reading your comment it would make some sense, once the oil is compromised it's only a matter of time.

[@gordonborsboom7460]

Didn't the 6.4 Powerstroke use the same strategy? Worked well for them also

[@jamiel9902]

I wonder if some of this is due to excessive idle time. Idle diesel = bad = lots of regens.

[@repairvehicle]

Frequent regen is due to not allowing to complete regen in the first time it started

[@RobertBradstreet]

@@jamiel9902 At least not in my case, as we do not give it excessive idle time. We might give it up to 10 minutes during the winter to heat up, but there is nothing excessive on the idle hours.

[@johnroycroft1098]

I was told by a cummins engineer that the hydraulic lifters are used because EPA was requiring noise reduction. Is there any truth to this?

[@JaredW-te6ho]

I think the difference between between the commercial cummins and the one in the ram could be packaging more so than fuel economy. Ram doesn't have to make it get a certain fuel economy like passenger vehicles. but they do have to make it fit into a the hood of a pickup. Probably had to change the oil delivery system and head for that.

[@N700PY]

I just rolled 11,000 miles on a 2023 and I have at least one bad lifter. Engines is ticking and making metal. I changed the oil at 500 miles and then at 5000 miles with the proper weight as required by RAM. No Bueno!

[@mred3660]

Just got put in a new Volvo at work and they are now recommending 5w30 in their D13 engines doesn’t sound wright after years of 15w40 but I guess thin oil is the new normal Also if seems like they have started pulling the EGR after the DPF because it took almost 8000 miles before the oil turned as dark as my last trucks oil would in less than a 1,000 miles that may something all these engines need to have happen to reduce the amount of soot getting into the oil to help reduce wear

[@malcolmhammond2135]

Hydraulic lifters don’t need to be rollers. There are countless gasoline engines out there with hydraulic flat tapped lifters.

[@yurhi]

Glad I've got a 4th gen at this point.

[@Mark-ry4ye]

I always say oil is cheaper than engines. I have always changed my own on every vehicle I’ve ever owned.

[@JimmieABES]

2019 Ram 2500 6.7 with 64,000 miles on it. Apart from a turbo actuator and 2 brake caliper failures, no real issues.

[@michaelmeyers1827]

I have a 2017 dodge 1 ton pickup and I don’t have any issues with it

[@Dazza-u4c]

Dodge ? 😂😂😂😂

[@montysandhu7789]

I’m planning on buying a 2024 6.7 in a few months should I just convert to Hamilton flat tappet ?

[@Not-Bon]

Might as well wait for the ‘25. Significant changes for the transmission and DPF/doc combo. Still using hydraulic lifters it seems though.

[@montysandhu7789]

@ I bought a 23 got a good deal. My 4th gen never gave trans issues I don’t drive like a teenager and do hotshot worst case I’ll put in a Randy’s due to my savings with delete and flat tappet swap

[@CJ-jo6do]

I've worked on Cummins engines in many dodge/ram trucks that had well into 200,000 miles and the valve lash was still in spec. They just work. The same thing when they tried dropping the CP3 injection pump for the CP4. Don't fix what isn't broken!

[@avioncamper]

Alex, you are not some guy on the internet talking.... I like to think you know your stuff. Oil change intervals at 15k is too long imo. Wish the company would go back to the old style lifter you showed us. Sometimes the KISS principle actually makes since. Thanks for your videos, Greg from North Carolina.

[@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel]

People just need to change their oil more often. Every single make has these issue with lifters and oiling problems. The fords seen to die the most. The new Power strokes have the life expectancy of a mazda rotary engine.... Because people are doing 15,000 mile oil intervals an engine making 1200lbs of torque. It's called math. People need to think a little and realize the EPA and Emissions scam is the biggest lie in all of technological history. You think they care about your health & safety when they literally spray poison and use GMOs banned around the rest of the world in your families food?? I've had the same Ram for 23 years with hardly any issues minus blown speakers and a stuck auto lock. And I'm not a mechanic, I'm just a dumb preacher. I don't have to work on my cars if I just change the fluids often. Fluids break down. Engine oil breaks down the fastest because of contamination. Filling up your tank costs more than an oil change, and your think going 6 or 10k is worth it people? Then you probably believe there's a Tesla floating around in outer space aswell. Oil analysis doesn't tell the whole tale either. I like this Getty dude, you know why? He changes his oil at around 3000 miles, that means he doesn't trust them either.. Jeremiah 17:5 *Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man* כה ׀ אמר יהוה ארור הגבר אשר יבטח באדם Baruk Hashem 🇮🇱✝️🇮🇱

[@Slane583]

Sadly modern day vehicles are engineered for the average idiot who barely knows how to fill it with fuel. There's videos on YT of people who can barely accomplish that. All of the safety crap that is now mandatory has literally taken away the need to be a good driver. People have gotten lazy and expect the vehicle to do all of the driving for them now. As much as I love my 2020 Silverado I still like my previous 2004 Silverado better. It didn't need traction control to tell you if you were driving like a moron during the winter. If the ass-end of it slid sideways while accelerating that meant take your foot off the pedal.

[@jeffs2809]

6.7 ford doesn’t have a 15k OCI, at least not the ‘22 I drive for work. Oil life % gauge comes on between 5000-7500 miles on it.

[@doublej963]

What kinda lifters are in the 6.4s

[@GettysGarage]

Hydraulic Roller lifters

[@doublej963]

@@GettysGarage man...

[@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel]

​@@doublej963Change your oil early and you'll never have a problem. You can even use T6 and Euro 5w40 blends. Many have gone a million miles. Np

[@JROC734]

When's the last time an OEM didn't use hydraulic lifters in their SB, OHV gas engines? Maybe the old DZ302 introduced in the 69 Z/28? I believe they all went to roller lifters in the 80's.?.?

[@gizclifford]

My2019 HO 3500 manual states it can run Cummins CES 20081 which is the number on Shell 15w-40 T6 full synth.

[@23cummins68rfe]

man im at 10k km just got an oil change done at 8500 , checkd oil today shes black already? i go thru dealer cause of my warranty ad on but don't think there using the best product for these trucks ?

[@Not-Bon]

Check it after a few hundred miles, these trucks use EGR to lower emissions. The oil will be sooty.

[@cjjblaster]

Love my 2012 3500 79k miles no def change the oil every 4k. No problems

[@coreyb4073]

Great, i dumped my chevy 18 months ago because it was showing signs of lifter failure, now this, and I swore i heard it a few days ago 😞

[@tristenhollinger1238]

Are you able to put the old style lifters in? Or is it a total different design?

[@montysandhu7789]

Yeah Hamilton flat tappet conversion system 2019-2024 just google it

[@Not-Bon]

Hamilton makes a flat tappet conversion kit.

[@tristenhollinger1238]

@ well due to these hydrualic lifters I’m currently waiting for a new motor in my 19. Under warranty thank god

[@Dirtbike_K1D]

Should I get a 4th gen or 5th gen I’m in Canada and I’m ready to spend $75 ,000

[@lrizo3841]

5th gen

[@marmay6874]

be carefully of the hemi famous tick,hemi engine is like time bomb.

[@BloodAlwaysFindsItsLevel]

Hemi is phenomenal engine. People just need to change their oil more often.

[@kb9oak749]

Fix what you have or buy an older model and fix that. Save that cash.

[@ETal-f4v]

3rd gen 5.9 cummins.

[@1hasbeen531]

I have owned a 2019 and now 2024 CGI Cummins. I run 10K oil change intervals, and oil analysis shows no abnormal wear, and TBN shows lots of life left in the oil. If I did more highway, I'd have no reservation of going 15K intervals. They should have stayed with the flat tappets, but, as you pointed out, requiring a lash adjustment was a marketing problem.I would add that an even bigger factor was soy-boys who wanted a silent diesel, evidenced by the scissor gear to take the rattle out of the timing gears. Perhaps the biggest factor of all is materials. Are they made of chinesium, like so much of Cummins stuff these days?

[@bobbyboykin7137]

The push for thin oil is all about windage and parasitic power loss. The OEMS are being forced to leave no stone unturned to please the EPA mileage bean counters. Its that simple.

[@reabralop]

4:56 probably because fleet vehicles are more likely to get routine maintenance

[@Jetboat2000]

Roller cam is not compatible with flat tappet cam and vise versa.

[@dalev1319]

My late 2023 did not even make it to the first oil change. Lost a lifter. Still sitting at dodge. POJ.

[@jjames5928]

Lost mine at 30k miles, oil changed every 5k miles. Bought a Ford, so far in very happy

[@erikschutzman2402]

Does the cummins 6.7L have 12 or 24 lifters?

[@wesdimig379]

Still has 12

[@3DProductions]

Doing this change instead of 20mins adjusting lash is restarted

[@davidlefranc6240]

The other problem is these pickup truck engines the 3 big brands are pushing these engines much more than needed like an experienced truck guy said 800 of torque is more than enough to tow 30k pounds that's why the commercial version of these trucks are mostly down in power cuz they need to be reliable !I still think they should offer a version of these Cummins between the 2.8 and the 6.7 a 4.5 or a 5liter ish should be a thing pickup truck wise.

[@0HOON0]

Shame the 5 liter Cummins V8 was such a pile.

[@Slane583]

That's why I think Ford is always having issues with their beloved 2.7l EcoBoost v6. The thing is built like Fort Knox and it's still munching on valves like popcorn. It's a tiny v6 putting out 420hp in a mid-size truck and for some reason people think tuning it to push 460hp makes it better. It just makes it even more unreliable than it already is. I think the 310hp that my 2.7l Turbo-4 makes is adequate enough. It would perform better as-is if GM ditched the 8-speed transmission for the 10-speed. More gear range helps less HP do more.

[@jeffs2809]

Commercial engines go through a different process for rating hp/torque. Also, take note that “most” are governed to a lower rpm limit, which will definitely give a lower hp rating.

[@Marklin15]

220 hp is still dangerously low for a commercial 6.7.

[@earlwilson6153]

U missed commercial 6.7 school bus has a oil pan heater, super important, warm oil at start up

[@stradplayer90]

The majority or car has hydraulic lifters today. We are missing some pieces.

[@karlmoffat6165]

Ooooooh yes love my 4th gen!!