That Pedal Show - Where do you put your volume pedal?

[@GlennMichaelThompson]

I've been using volume pedals since the late 70's and wouldn't want to play a gig without at least one. I usually use 2. One before time based effects and one at the beginning. Sometimes I'll put a tuner before the one at the beginning so I can tune silently. Cheers guys, good informative video.

[@andre.as.kyriakou]

I will certainly never look at volume pedals the same way! Who new they could be so versatile? As always, the guys in these videos are obviously having so much fun and that´s a great thing to see.

[@MaxPaws]

That G2 really makes it easy to demo the placement of the pedal! Only in the last year did I finally learn about placing the volume pedal in the middle of my chain, and it made all the difference in the world! This video clearly demonstrated what it took me umpteen years to finally learn! And OMG what tone coming from those amps!!!

[@mattcoen]

You can put the volume pedal in the FX loop (if the amp has one) before or after you FX. That way you don't change the gain structure of the preamp.

[@BeachJazzMusic]

I also have been using volume pedals since I saw Buddy Emmons use a Sho-Bud back in the early 70's. I used two. One in the front and one at the end. The one in the front gets great pedal steel effects and the one in the end works great to control the overall volume without having to get up and turn the amp down. Even though I mostly use my AxeFx III in the house now (I'm old and retired from playing gigs) I still have my Hilton volume pedal which uses RF to change the volume. It's got some controls on the underside to be able to adjust a lot of the parameters. This is the best active pedal I've ever used. It actually makes your guitar sound better.

[@J03L01289]

Can you do a video with each of your personal pedal boards, explaining why each pedal is there and what that pedal beat out for its place on your respective board. Also, your personal amps used for giggin and overall whole set up?

[@Theweeze100]

Thank you so much guys, I’ve been wrestling with this problem for a while, and this was by far the clearest and most entertaining explanation I’ve gotten so far!

[@TheGigRigDaniel]

You’re most welcome 🤓👍

[@justinjuk]

Thanks! I placed mine first in the chain and realized that the compressor after the volume pedal reduced the ability to swell. The pedal was either all or nothing. Will put it just before the amp input, and let all the modulation stuff happen in the loop afterwards. Great demo, fellows!

[@joaotravassosmusic]

Best guitar sound ever on the show. That was simply overwhelming, man...

[@porterlewis7503]

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[@jaimebenedict6440]

@Porter Lewis Instablaster =)

[@mightyhammerhead]

Fantastic explanation/ demonstration...🎸🕺... as always!

[@carldemelo1132]

Thx guys! I will run mine in the middle. Very helpful. And by the way I love your collaboration with Josh from JHS🎸🤘🏼🇵🇹

[@alexmason7222]

Easily my favourite tones I've heard from you guys so far. The combination of those two amps is incredible. Cheers!

[@johnktistis]

i played your video almost 100 times just for the sound in the riff in 10.55... what a sound.. i bought JHS THE AT and tried to reproduce it a bit.. awesome !!!

[@lockalmomentorock]

Love the Way you keep going through the years

[@mikeroadblock]

"Problem solved." You guys are so awesome and informative. Please keep up all the good work! Thank you for doing these!!!

Daniel is like the best big brother any guitar player can have. The fact that they take the time, for once, to explain you slowly what the nuances are makes you very savvy about that issue for the rest of your life and also grasp the essential concept..

[@majorwheelock974]

This is great! I like the volume pedal at the end so I can run the guitar at 10 (wide open tone) and lower the volume of sound when I am in smaller rooms.

[@atarirob]

Amplifier - Reverb, Echo etc. - Volume Pedal - Overdrive - Guitar (volume pot on guitar to control gain of OD) Simple.

[@MikefromAlabama]

Shouldn't echo be near the end of chain?

[@guitardreamgirl9312]

Was this the chain of the last place they put the VP in this video?

[@fclefjeff]

Fantastic, thank you very much for this. For me, the best option is putting it in somewhere in "the middle" (after dirt/before modulation effects), and using the volume knob on the guitar to control the amount of juice going into the dirt pedal.

[@9Mighell]

Can't wait for the dual amps video!!! Your videos are amazing, they give so much inspiration and knowledge. You're great!!!

[@TheGigRigDaniel]

9Mighell , ah, cheers mate. yep, should be up week after next :)

[@cobravinci]

The Charlie Brown with the Les Paul into these two amps... I agree : killer tone!!!

[@JoshFoxi]

da Vinci Angry Charlie: JHS

[@Stasisofseasons]

I'm a male lead guitar, and lead vocals. I have a passive volume I use at the end of my chain, right after my boost actually. I feel I can control things a lot better, sometimes It's just I don't turn my dirt off and it's easier to use it as a kill switch of sorts. But I can switch off my dirt pretty fast and have my delay trails keep going. It sounds pretty good, I have people asking me a lot how I get my tone especially since the amp I'm using is a Fender 68 custom twin, one of the reissues, where they went with the tweed bassman tone stack in the custom channel, which I use with Mids turned almost all the way up, and the bright switched turned on. But I am really trying all sorts of things. Right now all I use is a lovepedal superlead, a fulltone ocd, and a blackout effectors musket fuzz, for dirt! For the three delays, the catalinbread bella epoch, the echorec and the Mallecko ekko 616, I have a wah, standard vox. , the boost which is a fulltone 2b and the ernie ball volume. I actually would like to get the G2 at one point to control all this. I love your products. Anyway very informative video!

[@phlopalopagus]

11:06 just sold me an angry charlie. That was breath taking. I could sit a doodle with that for days and days!

[@dostacos1]

So basically what you're saying is we should run 3 volume pedals on our boards? Alright, I'll do it!

[@TheVigilantStewards]

In my opinion the one at the very end is useless except for a kill switch... when would you want to adjust your overall volume and have an unnatural jerk in the time based stuff? Wouldn't you just use that position for a killswitch? Before and after overdrive definitely.

[@dago6410]

that.

[@marsattacks7071]

Carmelo Santini Agreed. I would put my tuner there maybe.

[@boynamedlen]

Perhaps you missed it, but they mentioned that you can change the virtual position of the volume pedal with the Gigrig. It's not the same as having two physical pedals but it can be a solution.

[@rebeccasaborio]

For those of you that like swells, I’ve found that the volume pedal right in the middle works amazing

[@rexyrock5027]

Hey Guys, Thanks for all the great info! I have a mini Blackstar fly that I rigged up, and the tone is the best I ever heard in my life! From any rig. I put a little tube Pre-Amp on it 12au7 I think. Vintage Mullard tube...since I lost volume ( from the pre, or the OD pedal, or both together? not even sure). I added a mini Mosky Vol pedal to the mini "Trouble" Overdrive pedal I chained in...I'm just learning how to manipulate amp tones...I think I got really lucky here! lol. It's now pretty loud, and too loud to play it with ought bugging people near me. I got a tiny "passive" attenuator for this rig. If I heard you correctly...I should chain the Att. box after my Overdrive & Vol Pedal effects? As I'm thinking do I now have 2-volume devices kind of? The Blackstar Fly has no EFX loop in/out per se. I guess I could go in to the 1/8" "line in/mp3" too? maybe? Just put a 1'4" adapter blah blah, but that gets to be too much rigging if I can just chain it after the EFX pedals. Could you PLEASE tell me the best way to rig up this little attenuator for what I have going on here? I'm actually going to mic this rig when I record, and even play out! The tone is that amazing...I play heavy stuff. Thanks a million! Rock!

[@DrumStrum]

I put my volume pedal before gain, because I like to be able to get a gradual progression from clean(er) to chunk (in a build-up to a chorus, for example). But I keep the volume pedal after my EHX B9 (Organ Machine), which won't engage without a certain threshold level of input signal. This also lets me set the global organ level, which is handy. Anyway, great video!

[@elesmid]

Dan keep on with the great gear and great videos :) Cheers from a Mexican living in Canada :D

[@caleshtcincredibles]

Well done gents, settled it for me, I want volume control without compromising the drive or distortion tone..... My pedal will go either after the drives before mods or at the end of everything...... I will no longer put the volume pedal at the beginning as like you said I have a volume knob on my guitar if I want to roll back the tone, I don't need to repeat that at the beginning of my chain...... I have getting it wrong a long time!! Thanks again for all the very helpful videos!

[@TheGigRigDaniel]

+caleshtcincredibles ah, cheers mate

[@dr05guitar]

Very useful info and love how much fun you guys have making these videos. Thanks!

[@CollCrofter]

I've been playing the guitar for 20 years and I have never, ever...EVER heard a guitar sound that good. Incredible.

[@mxpirate]

You guys are bad-ass dudes! Learned a lot from you guys...Thanks!

[@Synsizer]

What if you run the V-pedal through the effects loop?

[@SjaakShirly6559]

Again very helpful and useful video. I was about to buy a passive volume pedal but this video did change my mind. Thanks guys! Also the information about the place in chain is helping me a lot.

[@AMH4brothers]

Dope and informative video! I put my vp in the middle, to get those nice swells.

[@Riccardo_Filippo]

+Steven Tijerino which kind of volume pedal for this job, 25k or 250k?

[@AMH4brothers]

I used a 250K EBVP Jr. But now I use a Tapestry Audio Bloomery VP.

[@Riccardo_Filippo]

thanks!

[@jsauce666]

Interesting. How do I use a both a volume Pedal and have my delay and reverb in the effects loop of my amp if both these setups use the Volume Insert Send and Return on the G2.

[@greggmallinson9753]

Guys, how the heck did you get the mic'd guitar sound to be so huge. This sounds amazing. I have a great amp and cab, cranked to good levels, good pedalboard, and I feel like my mic'd sound(as heard on stage through in-ears) is never this big(as I hear it through a computer and headphones). It may just be perception. This guitar sounds huge. Looks like stereo signal, 2 amps and 2 mics? Any room mics also mixed in there?

[@michaela9817]

Another great video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

[@TheGigRigDaniel]

M DA Our pleasure, thanks for watching :)

[@lucagregori963]

thank you guys! I have only one doubt: if I have a passive pickups I should buy a high resistance pedal and I can put everywhere?

[@cerclesvicieux]

Very well played. Great explanation and demonstration as to how & where the placement of a volume pedal matters. It's clear that it is a personal call, but there is a distinct difference. I think I would prefer mine at the beginning of the chain, though I can clearly see why one might want it at the end, or better yet to have it set up the way you do so that I could alternate between the two. Thank you very much.

[@davidhunter3762]

Great video Daniel, will leave my volume pedal in the middle where it already is.......until I can afford a G2 that is, but by then it will probably be a G4!! :-)

[@ELMENDORFX]

Where is the best place to put my fingers on the guitar in the effects-chain?

[@bigcheese4510]

ELMENDORFX lol

[@Yowie722]

In the guitar's butthole.

[@bongo9595]

4:27 strymon timelapse is angry

[@icebob8555]

Middle. I still got the volume on my guitar for dirty to clean. also that’s in the effect loop or after the overdrive in the front end. I like it in the effect loop

[@TheMichaelseymour]

love how kid like they get over guitar and sound .....these guys are great ambassadors for the sheer joy of gtr

[@martynkentfrancis]

hi guys, your videos are informative, really fun and ooze your love of music. Plus you are both awesome guitarists so its great just to hear you play!! So well explained and I'm playing more than ever now and with more confidence, as understanding signal path and gain structure, my music is already more expressive! (maybe its really the Lovepedal Vibronaut I just bought.) either way...Bring it on :-)

[@marcelosilveira.guitar]

Btw Angry Charlie is a BEAST. Back to the topic... it's probably a stupid question but if I have my volume pedal after signal chain but I also have delay, reverb, etc in LOOP, would I get that reverb and delay trails?

[@redsredo853]

how does volume pedal impedance affect the placement? can we just place volume pedals anywhere we want regardless of the impedance? thanks!

[@jamesgrobertson8024]

Thanks for that guys, very educational.

[@davidr1620]

Old school That Pedal Show. Almost makes me sad how fast the time has gone by.

[@SPaulAndrewMaertens]

Me liking this 2 years after your comment

[@tiagomatias5878]

Me liking this 3 years after your comment

[@davidr1620]

@@tiagomatias5878 :(

[@IbervilleMusic]

I put mine after my drive section and before my delays/reverb and trem. I use it as a master volume for my gain section.

[@jordandedomusic]

Cool video, guys. I've explained this very thing to many people since reading an article where Pete Cornish explained different volume pedal positions in the signal chain. Still unsure whether to buy passive or active for my board..

[@TheGigRigDaniel]

Jordan Dedo thanks Jordan. If you can find a transparent passive volume that doesn't load your signal then Id say go passive, but most do unfortunately, but if they're going after a buffered pedal then the buffer will drive the volume pedal and you won't have any issues. Theres no substitute for getting your hands dirty and trying out a bunch. They all have their own feel. Cheers mate

[@nohomatt]

Great demo, so if you have a G2 or similar and can move the volume pedal before, middle and end do you need a low impedance or high impedance pedal? Active or passive?

[@capsisdead]

Which overdrive is using?

[@MegaPortenio]

Great help, so how do I move the pedals position

[@asecretturning]

Brilliant video, thank you!

[@TheGigRigDaniel]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheVigilantStewards]

Would be cool if in upcoming stuff you show using both volume knob on guitar and volume pedal in position 1 and when you go for what. Obviously fuzz would be controlled by guitar, but so would your base sound even when the fuzz isn't on since the volume knob changes the way a guitar behaves. Trying the Telonics and Lehle, hopefully going to be able to try the Telonics pro because both of these pedals change the sound due to the active circuitry. I got the Telonics standard which rolls off bottom end and really high frequencies, and it just sounds like it lacks guts... that's why I'm going to try to do the pro model. I have done blind tests with people, hoping to get all 3 of them together and put them in the switcher and go through lehle, telonics, telonics pro, and dry. They both have really really nice sweeps.

[@ffBkLee]

Hey lads, if I'm playing an LP with a passive volume pedal, can I put an active buffer and it would solve the muffled sound issue?

[@Hechab]

Was considering placing VP after drives but love being able to go from kind of clean to full drive with the VP.

[@1pt5generation]

Dan, I don't see a A/B box on your board! How did you "kick" Mick into your board? Was it through the G2?

[@Riccardo_Filippo]

I need a volume pedal for swells, after drive pedals and before delay. I'm using it with a Telecaster standard and a valve amp..so which kind of volume pedal for this job, 25k or 250k?

[@markusvhane5087]

I put 2 passive VPs. One at the very beginning and one at the very end before going to AMP.

[@kevinberthoud9347]

Clear explanation. Thanks Dan.

[@eskilseter]

Followup, in case you still check comments on old videos: Volume pedal into compressor or compressor into volume pedal?

[@marksadventures3889]

Having just got a volume/expression pedal I needed this Thanks guys; however I don't have a G2, and looking at my board am trying to find where the passive will go now, still a bit confused but will consult the Vox manual to see if that helps. (like putting it into the amp foot pedal port or something) but really want those swells. (using a zoom FP 02 pedal).

[@menysec]

Got some questions, guys! : I´m on negotiations on having a Boss FV-300L. My intention is to put it just after the gain as you said, but in my chain I like to have a chorus. So... Did i put the pedal before or after the chorus? And there´s a fourth use. I´ve borrowed my brother´s Schaller FV-121 and put it on the FX loop of my amp ( a monster plenty of watts ) for playing at home without having riots with the neighbours. Learned that trick from Mr. Brian Wampler. Thanks for what you´re doing. Your channel rocks, and it´s the ultimate source for learning how to use gear properly! Greets from Spain! : Jaume.

[@Evilivo666]

i´ve noticed a huge volume drop with my 500k passive volume pedal, i´ve put a buffer on it and prob solved... i use it in the end of the chain to control master volume,great for solos...and dynamics...

[@gearoidwalsh8606]

I'm going to try running a stereo rig soon, and run a volume pedal in the fx loop of each amp. And maybe another one on some stage of the pedal board. Is this a good idea? What type would be suitable at each stage?

[@DeemalAtapattu]

Has anyone ever mentioned to you guys that it's really hard to hear what you're saying? Can't turn the volume up too much either because the guitars are pretty loud. Just a suggestion. Btw, love your videos! Cheers!

[@kronbakenterprises]

I'm a big fan of your videos!

[@andrewmoseley4029]

You didn't say much about active volume pedals for those of us new to them, but I'm looking to put one in my fx loop for home practice. Would I lose tone or gain with a passive one there?

[@konnektlive]

Thanks for the great video guys. I have a question though, I have a Cali76 Compressor which is usually at the very front of my signal chain as to my experience comp pedals work best when they see see input guitar signal before anything else. Now the main question is, If I have an active volume pedal, which one should be first? Imagine I want to change the gain level as well as the volume so putting the VP at first is a must, then how about the comp pedal? Is it a trade off at the end of the day? What is the best way of managing the comp and VP?

[@thumbpickfingers]

+konnektlive If you want to get the same compression level no matter where you set your volume pedal, put the compressor before the VP. If you want to be able to change the amount of compression, put the compressor after the VP. This way, if you turn the VP down, you will reach a point when the signal will get little compression or no longer be compressed at all, depending on your comp. settings.

[@sinapanahi6746]

thank u for very usefull information. what is the over drive u use in thes video?

[@jonathankaneshiro3514]

Is that a Morley mini wah volume pedal you're using? Do you like the volume taper on their optical pedals? I want one but have heard they're more of an audio taper rather than linear.

[@darylm.stephens9603]

Great vid thank you for sharing this knowledge!

[@mrader217]

it would have been nice to hear using the pedal for attack suppression, Like EVH Cathedral or opening of Xanadu/La Villa Strangiato- I would assume this is front-of-chain placement so ping-pong delay (Cathedral) stays intact....was hoping to see difference of active/passive in that regard.

[@rwo2112]

I have a stereo volume pedal for use with my dual amp setup. What can I do if I want to add a third amp to the mix. I wand to be able to swell all amps at once.

[@dago6410]

sound around 6:40 or earlier - where does THAT amazing sound coming from? I mean the drive

[@dago6410]

Actually - i guess - throughout the WHOLE video

[@Sixstringhiggs]

Would you get sound changes if you had your volume pedal after the overdrive but your power amp sections were also compressing? You would essentially be removing some of the signal from the overdrive pedal into your compressing amp right?

[@getsetknow8998]

Where to place the volume pedal if I just want to regulate the volume, and not the amount of gain in solos?

[@ahighervibe4086]

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[@bradmiddleton412]

8:24 when I was doing a music course at college, we were put in different college bands each term. While there, there was this one female singer that sang too quietly. We set up the volumes for all the drums and instruments so they all worked well with eachother volume wise, but we had to constantly turn everything down and this female singers mic up just so we could hear her singing. The amount of feedback coming from her mic was annoyingly unbearable. It wasn't just me who knew about this, everyone who I was in the college bands with knew about this and had s bit of a moan about it just like I moaned about it. Also, would it make sense to put a volume pedal before the delay and reverb pedals, but after pedals such as distortion/overdrive, noise gate's ect? So then you will hear the delay of you turning the volume down on the volume pedal?

[@tjnugent62]

Can you have a small box that would change the position of your volume pedal without buying a gigrig?

[@xMasterxRazorx]

Could you guys do a video on expression pedals?

[@lucaromanoxyz]

In this chain Korg Pitchblack Walrus Audio Deep Six V3 (Nautical) BOSS BD-2w Blues Driver (Waza Craft) Ibanez TS10 Dunlop DVP4 Volume X Mini BOSS CE-5 Walrus Audio ARP-87 TC Electronic Hall of Fame 2 IK Multimedia TONEX One TC Electronic Bonafide Buffer is the volume pedal set up like this okay or do I need a low impedance one? What changes if I leave this one at high impedance?

[@dwaynerobare1153]

Great video!... What if you are playing both and acoustic guitar on some songs but also use electric on others? I'd like to use the same effects (Line 6 Helix), would I need 2 separate volume pedals? P.S. I do use an Fishman Aura Spectrum DI in front of the Acoustic. Thanks again!

[@Valerah]

So what happens to Delay/Reverb if the VP at the beginning?

[@rugbyvagrant7]

Is it possible to use a volume pedal as a master volume when not using any other pedals? I rely on my amp breaking up at high volume to produce overdrive but want that sound at a more "living room" friendly level. Can this be done with a volume pedal or can it only be achieved via an attenuator?

[@JoeBoult]

it's possible to run a volume pedal through the effects loop to reduce your amps output, but depending how loud you're running, you may struggle getting the living room level, but worth trying!

[@MrReZx]

I have a question I'm hoping you guys could give me an answer to; does an active volume pedal work as a buffer when you simply have it on? I'm about to build a new pedalboard and I'm gonna get a buffer for it, but I kinda feel like I should get/need a second buffer for the effects loop. If an active volume pedal works as a buffer then that solves my problems but I'm not sure that's the case. Great videos by the way :)

[@suramanramdan939]

Would putting a volume pedal after an always on compressor, phaser and flanger but before drives yield the same result as putting a volume pedal at the start of the chain?

[@Willixlonger]

I had a passive volume pedal and I used after the gain chain, between my delay and my tremolo. I had lots of troubles because the depth of the tremolo just disappear. Is there any way to solve this?

[@matthewhonnor]

watching this reminded me, when is there gonna be more info about the next G2 software update? Can't wait

[@simonwilliams7608]

So am I wrong in understanding that both volumes pedals AND expression pedals are essentially foot operated potentiometers? And if I am correct, why can't a volume pedal (assuming it has the right jacks and cables for the job) function perfectly well as an expression pedal?

[@TheGigRigDaniel]

It’s possible but for an expression pedal you really want a lower resistance, around 10k. For a volume pedal your want as high as possible. Hi impedance volume pedals are usually 500k. Lower values work for buffered signals

[@simonwilliams7608]

Thanks for the first clear explanation anyone has been able to give me so far. 🙂@@TheGigRigDaniel

[@elijahdelp2893]

I have the Scott Henderson Vertex volume pedal, and I'm in the process of building a pedal board. My volume pedal is passive, with no buffer (because it's passive). I'm going to have about 8 pedals on my board. I'd rather have my volume pedal at the beginning of the chain. Any suggestions with where I put a buffer in the chain with a passive volume pedal? Thanks.

[@brianpatrick6102]

I love this show, theres always something good I learn in every episode. To be clear though, a passive volume pedal after OD and before delays will retain the high end frequencies? Also, at the front end, would an active VP affect fuzz negatively? And yes! That JHS thru the two amps is glorious. Mmmm. Thanks so much!

[@TheGigRigDaniel]

brian patrick HI Brian. A passive volume pedal after an ENGAGED OD will retain the top end, but if its in the middle of a true bypass series of pedals can suck your tone. An active pedal into germanium fuzz can cause issues as well. Hope that helps

[@brianpatrick6102]

Daniel TheGigRig 10-4, thanks as always.

[@MrC9Oh3]

I have the Katana 50 it doesn't have an FX loop is there ANY way I can put my volume pedal before the drive?

[@muurimc]

I really like these guys videos a lot

[@harrymorris9406]

"It's a measurement of resistance to ground" (Insert Mick's confusion face here)

[@fender9390]

I have a VP jr 6180 where is the best place to put it. All I have is 2 drive pedals one delay and one reverb. Should I put my volume pedal after everything or where do you think is best?

[@TheVigilantStewards]

Only thing about putting an active pickup in the beginning is fuzzes, treble boosters, and other germanium stuff right? Do you just set the G2 to push the volume pedal after those effects when active? I haven't ever seen you guys do a video on Lehle vs Boss vs Analogman buffered boss 500h pedal.... pretty sure I've seen the Vertex boost make an appearance though? I can't say that I've seen every video but I've seen most of them more than once :) No overdrives get mad at the active?

[@hchoe741]

so for a passive volume pedal placed after an always on compressor, but before overdrives, is a 25k pot value better? or 250k?

[@craigdetroit]

250k if you have active pickups is the rule of thumb I was told...

[@KSKI1000]

So can an active volume pedal increase gain or only reduce gain or both? I have an ild micro amp footswitch with a volume(gain) knob which i think is designed specifically for clean boost; soloing etc.