That Pedal Show - Effects In The Loop or In The Front End?

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9 жыл бұрын

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It's a question we get asked all the time: should I run my delays and reverbs in the amp's effects loop, or should they go into the front end?
Well you guessed it, there's no definitive answer, so in this video Daniel and Mick attempt to address the main points to consider when setting up your effects.
We're using a Victory V40 The Duchess amp along with TheGigRig G2 to demonstrate the same effects going into the front end and also in the loop. G2 is taking care of the signal path shenanigans as seamlessly as it always does.
As you will hear, the differences are subtle but significant.
A Strymon Big Sky and Time Line supply reverb and delay respectively, while the JHS Pedals Angry Charlie serves up the distortion.
We suspect this may be a topic we will need to revisit at some point so please post your comments and questions below and we'll do our best to address them.
Oh, and we love Taylor Swift, just for the record.
Happy watching!

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@MusicMan642
@MusicMan642 9 жыл бұрын
"That Pedal Show" should be mandatory viewing for guitar players of all skill levels looking to get he most out of their rig.
@alexsawyer7313
@alexsawyer7313 9 жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@chavespillo
@chavespillo 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Fenton Agreed!!
@jammyfacefook
@jammyfacefook 8 жыл бұрын
+Michael Fenton true dat
@tomfoolery2082
@tomfoolery2082 6 жыл бұрын
Michael Fenton wish i had years ago, no kiddin.
@AdamAlmony
@AdamAlmony 5 жыл бұрын
I was actually thinking this a few hours ago....I personally know a ton of guitar players out there gigging that have no idea what they’re really doing. There’s no excuse with the advent of these KZbin tutorial and demo vids. It’s as good as school.
@fredfeldman27
@fredfeldman27 7 жыл бұрын
You could have just stopped the video at "Dave Gilmour doesn't use effects loops"...great video!
@alonsomiranda2598
@alonsomiranda2598 7 жыл бұрын
Fred Feldman Yeah thats true
@Rvezz28
@Rvezz28 7 жыл бұрын
Well this is random
@Smurfman256
@Smurfman256 7 жыл бұрын
Mainly because he runs his amps super clean and smacks a Ram's Head Muff in front of it for screaming leads. The effect loop was for people who run their amps dirty, but don't like the sound of a delay or chorus going into an overdriven amp.
@robertbecker6903
@robertbecker6903 6 жыл бұрын
Well, David Gilmour mostly played (I don’t know about now) a Hiwatt DR 103 and this one does not have an effects loop so this might be the main reason.
@CorbCorbin
@CorbCorbin 6 жыл бұрын
Smurfman256 Gilmour has used countless different pedals from two Silicon Fuzz Faces(one for clean, one for distortion) to various Muff clones in recent years. But his use of modulation, in the front, is counter-intuitive to most players that try to get tones as clear, as his usually is.
@jakestewartmusic
@jakestewartmusic 7 жыл бұрын
Something I discovered about running delays into the front end of a cranked up amp is that the level of the delay repeats can be much more responsive to your dynamics. When you play softly and roll back your guitar volume, the repeats become more subtle or fade out completely. As you hit the amp harder and get more power tube overdrive, the delays come back in a lovely grainy, almost lo-fi kind of vibe. Cranking the level of the repeats yields more overdrive on the repeats since they're hitting the amp harder. By contrast, I found that running my delay after my OD pedal and into a clean amp yields a much more controllable delay with cleaner repeats, but I hear the repeat at any setting on my guitar's volume knob due to the compression in the OD pedal smoothing out my level going into the delay. Playing my Analog Man ARDX20 straight into my Carr Rambler cranked to 10 has made me completely rethink delay sounds. If you have an analog delay, play it into an OD pedal or a cranked up amp and play with your guitar's volume knob and your picking dynamics. You might discover something cool.
@castleoflions9958
@castleoflions9958 9 жыл бұрын
Man I love you guys. You managed to explain something 100x more clearly than the other countless videos I've watched on effects loop and now I FINALLY get it! Thanks gentlemen. Sorry to hear things didn't work out with Taylor. ;)
@mikewilky7288
@mikewilky7288 5 жыл бұрын
I love how he went from the loop first then he went into the front. As soon as he went into front I felt like an addict wanting that crispy clean beauty back.
@nitemunky76
@nitemunky76 9 жыл бұрын
Look forward to the show every week. Keep it up lads!
@gaztaylor9682
@gaztaylor9682 8 жыл бұрын
It has to be said.....The Pedal Show ROCKS!!! Love the depth and passion that comes across in these shows....and the knowledge shared is priceless. Thanks guys :)
@atonofspiders
@atonofspiders 5 жыл бұрын
I have been watching you guys for like two years now and I’m really digging all the videos. There’s a lot of genuine fun had between you guys and this series is a genuine masterclass for playing rock’n roll with an electric guitar.
@cortviva69
@cortviva69 8 жыл бұрын
Gentlemen, your vids are simply perfect and a lot of fun to watch! I am learning a lot! Just go on like that!
@TheGigRigDaniel
@TheGigRigDaniel 8 жыл бұрын
Will do, make sure you're signed up to the new channel :)
@chadscottification
@chadscottification 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome show guys. So glad I found you on here. Been binge watching, and have already learned a lot. Cheers
@Serjm87
@Serjm87 11 ай бұрын
Wow, y'all have come a long way! So glad I found your channel
@ChristopherRoss.
@ChristopherRoss. 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the thorough talk and examples guys! Answered some questions I had, and some I didn't know I had until you answered them :)
@robpags
@robpags 9 жыл бұрын
Great job guys... Guitar/ gear nerds like myself can't get enough of your show. Very informative.
@hpebackwards
@hpebackwards 7 жыл бұрын
putting my whole chain through the loop has made everything finally sound right for me. it's also been really helpful in letting me keep a noisy cut-throat distorted tone at suburban decibel levels.
@HabitualOffender007
@HabitualOffender007 5 жыл бұрын
You guys always have the tastiest overdrive tones.....simply a joy to listen too.
@stevemaltez6545
@stevemaltez6545 8 жыл бұрын
Can't believe I just found this channel. My 3 loves, comedy, pedals and jiu jitsu! Awesome video series guys, can't get enough.
@arkunsballl9053
@arkunsballl9053 7 жыл бұрын
Great show guys! Excellent flow of info! Cheers
@allyjowettmusic
@allyjowettmusic 9 жыл бұрын
EQ pedal episode would be awesome. Amazing show guys keep it up!
@alexmurphy5289
@alexmurphy5289 5 жыл бұрын
What the hell would I do without this show?! Maybe have less gear in my life but wow every problem or question I have you guys not only answer but leave me informed on why it's best for my situation. Thank you so much
@gabrielcircus5043
@gabrielcircus5043 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid guys! I ran it up as you described. The time based pedals really do work better in the loop of my Egnater. It really tamed them and made them more alive.
@Compass2101
@Compass2101 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome fellas. I learnt plenty and realise I don't need to buy an amp with an effects loop. For once you've saved my thousands as opposed to the usual!
@mansonrustrelic
@mansonrustrelic 9 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys, after watching your video I now have my delay and reverb going into the effects loop of my Kemper, a definate improvement :-)
@terryeaster1
@terryeaster1 7 ай бұрын
Throwing down wisdom 8 years ago. I've watched a Ton Of your awesome content and once again this one gave me ideas. Gonna put my phaze 90 in front of my amp
@kalim4562
@kalim4562 5 жыл бұрын
Great discussion, coupled with very clear information which this subject needed.
@matthewhonnor
@matthewhonnor 9 жыл бұрын
Love these videos, look forward to the next one. As an idea for a next episode it'd be amazing to see a video on MIDI and all the awesome stuff you could do with it. Would be intrigued to see just how much you can do with it and the G2
@edwardhogston6339
@edwardhogston6339 9 ай бұрын
You guys have really helped me make much more sense out of this stuff!!! Glad I found you!
@TheGigRigDaniel
@TheGigRigDaniel 9 ай бұрын
Hey Edward, you’re so welcome 🤓👍
@Adipsia1
@Adipsia1 8 жыл бұрын
I'm so grateful for your input (excuse the pun). Picking up my guitar again after two or three decades, I've recently been overwhelmed to such a degree by technical-equipment stuff, that I couldn't even find the correct words to phrase my questions. Your explanation and demonstration has been incredibly helpful... thank you.
@TheGigRigDaniel
@TheGigRigDaniel 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter Marshall ah, absolutely my pleasure Peter. Thanks for watching ;)
@Adipsia1
@Adipsia1 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter Marshall A really basic question: Can you please define what you mean by the terms 'wet' and 'dry' ? The terms are bandied-around so much by those in 'the know'. I'm assuming that the dry-signal is taken from the pre-amp, prior to the effects-loop stage... however, I guess that the even drier signal would be taken prior to any effects being added. Sorry if this sounds like a 'numptie' question.
@SickMetalAddict
@SickMetalAddict 8 жыл бұрын
+Peter Marshall The 2 terms vary in meaning but for the most part, a dry signal is the signal that's direct from your guitar and your amplifier, whereas a wet signal is the sound of the delay and reverb in the background.
@nlmal4
@nlmal4 6 жыл бұрын
Good teaching Mick & Daniel, no question. I have learn something new as always. Great channel. Thank you guys.
@ricks900rr
@ricks900rr 8 жыл бұрын
I have watched 5 of your videos today, very informative, and on topics that I not considered the importance of. I was watching this video will my wife was watching TV so I put on the CC. It was quite hilarious, because it was giving this video a totally different story!! Try it for fun!
@anthonyjmunoz
@anthonyjmunoz 9 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks again.
@MrLespaul2000
@MrLespaul2000 8 жыл бұрын
Best videos on here,infomative and sometimes funny it's great these guys describe everything in pretty simple format and without being boring either like some are.
@MiSiFiTlOvE
@MiSiFiTlOvE 6 жыл бұрын
" If its good for enough for Dave, its good enough for me " That brought a genuine smile to my face.
@tehnagabakti
@tehnagabakti 7 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm pretty new to this game and there is lots of good information here. Keep up the good work. Cheers from across the pond.
@GraphiteandCigars
@GraphiteandCigars 7 жыл бұрын
great video gents, explained so much. incredibly helpful 👌👌
@atpaulo2009
@atpaulo2009 3 жыл бұрын
A big hug from Rio de Janeiro for you!!!!
@stephencholette947
@stephencholette947 9 ай бұрын
I have a Crate GFX 212, it doesn't have a conventional FX Loop. It has a single Stereo 1/4 Input on the front of the amp and the way you use it (according to the manual) is you buy a stereo 1/4 inch to 2 mono 1/4 inch splitter cable and plug the stereo end into the "insert" jack and the other ends to each output of the pedal(s) you are wanting in the loop. I used to think it didn't have an FX Loop but now that I know it does, I actually like this amp. I like the very basic clean it has, perfect for pedals and modulation of every sort.
@380stroker
@380stroker 8 жыл бұрын
You either distort the delay and reverb or you reverb and delay the distortion. The latter seems better in my opinion. Think recording session.
@endriu55
@endriu55 4 жыл бұрын
typically but not always..
@BlueaxeReproductions
@BlueaxeReproductions 4 жыл бұрын
Five years later this was very usefull for me; thank you
@tadhgleahy2264
@tadhgleahy2264 9 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, i'd love for yous to do a video on guitar sounds in the mix in comparison to guitar sounds on its own. Its an interesting and unexplored topic among the internet guitar spectrum! And you guys know your stuff!
@WatchesnguitarsDK
@WatchesnguitarsDK 9 жыл бұрын
Great idea!
@dostacos1
@dostacos1 8 жыл бұрын
I've never had a good experience with the FX loop. Some people do, I'm sure, but not me. I've tried it with a JCM 900, Supersonic 60, and Fender Blues Deville 410. I run a Fender Deluxe Reverb '65 RI right now and I A/B into both channels: Vibrato for cleans, and normal for dirt. I have my Saucy Box after the A/B switch and my Carbon Copy before my A/B switch. Having the delay before my OD has made a world of difference. I love it. It's clear, clean, and distinct. I'm sure many people have had success with FX loops, but I wouldn't base an amp purchase off of it.
@TheGigRigDaniel
@TheGigRigDaniel 8 жыл бұрын
That's excellent, you've experimented and found a setup that works for you. Our job here is done :)
@omarazam123
@omarazam123 4 жыл бұрын
great demo and explanations.
@vriendelijkegroet
@vriendelijkegroet 8 жыл бұрын
Great video. I personally like the more organic sounds by going into the front. I also like old school simple amps, they dont have fx loops. You showed the tonal differences!
@RandyFricke
@RandyFricke Жыл бұрын
Thanks guys. After some experimenting the big plus for me right off the bat is that running my pedal board into the front of the amp instantly eliminates 40' of cable. That alone is all the advantage I need to conclude that just running everything into the front like Gilmore does is the way to go. Personally I've always look at effects loops as more of a sales gimmick than an actual essential functioning element.
@rafsbio
@rafsbio 9 жыл бұрын
That's by far my favorite pedal-guitar related channel on KZbin! It would be great to see an episode on input impedance of fuzz pedals. My favorite drive is the EHX Double Muff, but it has to be the first in the pedal chain. I also have a Fuzz Face Mini, which also doesn't take wah or compressor in front of it. I ended up settling with a SolidGold Rosie, which does fine anywhere in the chain.
@SparkyGoldsmith
@SparkyGoldsmith 3 жыл бұрын
Your presentation has come so far. These early videos, even though they have excellent information, are so much harder to follow than your new videos with the shadow boxes to show what effects are active and the multiple cameras, etc. Great job evolving to make the videos so much easier to follow (while I'm multitasking, LOL).
@risteardohaodha23
@risteardohaodha23 3 жыл бұрын
Yup I would agree. I've been deep diving into That Pedal Show to get my understanding of all things stompy an ampy up to scratch. The newer vids are def easier to follow, where's here I'm rewinding a lot - though sleep dep from last nights binge watching and playing doesn't help
@SanjakPitakrat
@SanjakPitakrat 8 жыл бұрын
wow gentlemen, great video. i learned a lot to day!!!
@DaveGilmour
@DaveGilmour 6 жыл бұрын
Ahaha I'm mentioned in this video...! In all seriousness, thanks for the video, I've been learning about effects chains and wanted to learn about the loop- and you guys gave the best explanation by far.
@lolekebaben
@lolekebaben 9 жыл бұрын
Would love an episode about equalizers! Would love hearing the new Mesa five band pedal vs a boss! Love the videos! Keep it coming :)
@dilldozar296
@dilldozar296 3 жыл бұрын
Fellas. 3:30 is all you had to say to earn a subscription! SO MANY people will tell you that even overdrives need the loop. However it’s far from the truth. Thanks for getting right into the hearty information and keeping that info legit and straightforward! Cheers mates 🍻🤝
@thomasbrady407
@thomasbrady407 8 жыл бұрын
Now this is a show I can appreciate.
@JoydeepBose
@JoydeepBose 9 жыл бұрын
Very informative 👍🏼
@jchabo82
@jchabo82 7 жыл бұрын
pretty useful stuff. The best way I can describe it is, if you run a delay in front of the amp and your using the overdrive from the amp your basically running the delay into the overdrive. that's why delay and reverb is usually last in the chain. if it's not it will be distorted by what ever effect comes next.
@mr.beaver2822
@mr.beaver2822 7 жыл бұрын
.it really sucks! (overdrive from the amp...) I learned this long ago on my own.
@philipdonovan6510
@philipdonovan6510 2 жыл бұрын
thanks guys, this makes it clear that given a choice, it would absolutely be the more detailed, rich and dimensioney presentation of the FX send/return. It was pretty obvious!
@tonefingerz2021
@tonefingerz2021 6 жыл бұрын
u guys are so on point. the loop gives effects a more wet sound
@Chuchuguitar
@Chuchuguitar 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Dan, thanks for this video! Maybe another topic would be how to properly split your guitar signal. I'm currently wondering how to do it after the ex loop of my amp so I can have a D/W rig. That could be a topic for one of your videos, I think. Thanks again, I really enjoy all the knowledge that you both share and also the tone!
@adrianfytr35
@adrianfytr35 6 жыл бұрын
I've only been playing for about three years so I'm new to your channel but I subscribed because of the jiu jitsu shirt lol!!
@BluesLicks101
@BluesLicks101 6 жыл бұрын
That Pedal Show is far and away THE best pedal show, these two are the dynamic duo of pedal reviews. One thing I must mention is Mick always brings things into focus for the layman when Dan gets techy - this is an invaluable aspect of this already naturally excellent partnership. I partially agree with Daniel - though they did not mention this too much - especially for mod pedals adding color to the overall tone rather than fundamentally changing it, which is a GREAT sound... I put them PRE dirt, PRE loop. i.e.: My mod pedals are right after compression... and I LOVE THEM THERE - but delays and verbs (unless I'm going for a specialized sound) I will keep on the back end.
@mikesperling1149
@mikesperling1149 8 жыл бұрын
Great job guys! Thanks again for taking the time and going through the proper rigors of comparison on this topic. Your videos are among my favorites for gaining the knowledge I can use without costing me money, time, and Pete Townsend tom foolery I would have to go through to get it. Don't get me wrong I have owned albums and appreciated the Who and Pete's work over the years. It's just that one can't really grab, run, and return all that not so good stuff without being recognized by the 3rd time!
@TheGigRigDaniel
@TheGigRigDaniel 8 жыл бұрын
+Mike Sperling cheers Mike :)
@scooter2049
@scooter2049 3 жыл бұрын
Love the "Taylor and girl singer" digs, spot on ahahaha!!!
@TroyNaumu808
@TroyNaumu808 2 жыл бұрын
Love the jiu-jitsu shirt. I do not have a effects loop on my amplifier or a pedal that has that capability. I plug everything thru the front of my amplifier with the amplifier on a clean setting. my analog delay does not like being in a effects loop.
@petejt
@petejt 8 жыл бұрын
I use a lot of front end distortion in both my amps, but I prefer using all my effects in front of them. That includes modulation and delays. I have a multi-channel Mesa/Boogie MarkIV and a single channel Marshall JCM 800.
@rikh78
@rikh78 9 жыл бұрын
very interesting video, i am a 100% delay in the loop person (Carbon Copy in a JMP with a zero loss loop) - however on your video I actually preferred the sound of the delay in front. I will give it a try on my rig and see what happens :)
@Lael128
@Lael128 8 жыл бұрын
Okay, so effects in the loop sound more HD, and in the front more SD. Reverb in the loop has all of its shimmering glory, whilst in the front it gets choked up. Delay in the loop will repeat with all of your drive vs trailing off cleaner and cleaner as its not pushing the valves as hard as the original signal. That's the beauty of tone. You can do almost anything you want.
@cloujitsu
@cloujitsu 4 жыл бұрын
So cool!! But how did he set up the switcher so that he can switch between running delay and reverb in front or in the loop????
@troymarshall5783
@troymarshall5783 7 жыл бұрын
Great vid learnt heaps, knowledge is tone....
@KSKI1000
@KSKI1000 8 жыл бұрын
Great show. Makes me think b4 I plug! I now play alot of acoustic and would love to see a review of the new digitech Mosaic using both an acousti and a tele. In andoutof the effects loop. Thanks guys!
@basickarl
@basickarl 4 жыл бұрын
So much good infoz!
@juggernogjones7468
@juggernogjones7468 5 жыл бұрын
great video, thanks for the info. I use the fx loop on my Peavey 6505 with G major.. and to add to the anti fx loop talk; most fx loops have a certain amount of bleed... so my expression pedal (to achieve volume build ups or to mute the guitar when tuning) doesn't fully silence the guitar. when the expression pedal is set to its minimum (i.e. G major 0 volume) the fx are completely muted.. but you can still hear the guitar (without the fx) because the fx loop has bleed running my fx (and expression pedal) up front would solve this but since my other fx are in the loop I havnt bothered. I live with it, but its annoying
@edphaze6550
@edphaze6550 7 жыл бұрын
I feel fortunate to own a '94 Groove Tubes Soulo 75 amp that has a parallel effects loop! It's the best effects loop design in my opinion.
@gustavotessaro1
@gustavotessaro1 8 жыл бұрын
one of the best channels on youtube...
@ALBERTOGARCIA-nk9bo
@ALBERTOGARCIA-nk9bo 4 жыл бұрын
Hello Mick and Dan, I really love your vids and ALWAYS learn a lot from you. Right now I'm searching for some info in plugging the guitar directly in the Power amp in jack (off course with a preamp after the guitar and before the power amp). I have a Hot Rod Deluxe and as you guys showed up in one of your vids since this amp has no master volume for the power amp, when you plug in the power amp in the power amp is full completely open. Could you please shed more light on this? Thank you so much from Venezuela
@gjs850
@gjs850 8 жыл бұрын
Great post guys. Had a question. You mentioned that you thought it best to include one's delay and reverb pedals in the effects loop. How does that apply when you don't use a reverb pedal but have a tube amp with a spring reverb? Is a spring reverb (since its already part of the amp) considered to be "in the loop"?
@saepiumv3813
@saepiumv3813 4 жыл бұрын
Hey.. just rewatching this and noticed your Gracie shirt! Thats awesome man!
@r.llynch4124
@r.llynch4124 9 жыл бұрын
great vid guys I always run delay/reverb in a instrument level metro amp FX loop on both my amps. way to muddy in front when you add more delay times or deeper reverbs when in front... on digital pedals.. strymon and eventide are still digital effects. I had a mobius but never dug it so I tried the eventide H9 and feel its much better overall. both strymon and eventide should be in a instrument level loop for the best audio and less issues..imo , but in the end its up to the individual musicians ears. NOW video showing 2 amps in stereo with H9 pre/ post and H9 in both amps fx loops (stereo) with the humdinger and G2!!
@hankgalt
@hankgalt 8 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your videos. As a pretty average recreational player, I've been able to learn a lot. I have a couple questions that are probably silly, but what about pedals that aren't overdrive, modulation or delay/reverb? I have a pitch shifter and compressor early in the chain, and a looper and drum machine (beat buddy) late. Should any of those go in the effect loop (5150iii)? Or literally just reverb and delay? My others are over drives and modulators which I now know to put in front. Thanks, sorry for my ignorance, cheers.
@MrUltraworld
@MrUltraworld 7 жыл бұрын
I use an amp that has the perfect drive tones, and there's pedals I don't like in front of distortion being generated by the amp, so they go in the effects loop. A parallel effects loop versus the series loop (found in most amps) preserves the amp's tone, there's blend knob to bring in the effects.
@dennyaudio
@dennyaudio 5 жыл бұрын
I put my Yamaha SPX900 in the FX loop of my Mesa Formula Pre amp, (Formula Pre Amp has a 'blend' in the FX loop), and into my Peavey Classic Series 50/50 tube amp. Excellent sounds! Just like Dan said , "gain structure". (The Yamaha SPX 900 is a true line level rack mount unit which I used mainly in my FOH FX racks. I had this lying around and just wanted to give it a try. The Mesa Formula Pre Amp, SPX900 and Classic Series50/50 power amp are all rack mount. I put my other pedals direct into the Mesa pre amp. Best sounding rig (for me) that I have ever played through. (Except when I played through a real Dumble.)
@Austenstone118
@Austenstone118 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting video, especially as I don’t have an amp with an effects loop it’s interesting to find out what they’re all about
@SafelandingRecords
@SafelandingRecords 8 жыл бұрын
14:44 when you think about how good ur sound is gonna be after watching this video
@hafizhadzori
@hafizhadzori 7 жыл бұрын
Hi Dan, hi Mick! Love your video on this topic. Just wondering, i understand the pros and cons in placing the effects in front or in the loop for tube amps, but nowadays, lots of solid state amps are equipped with fx loops as well. How does the loop works on a SS amp? Is it the same principle as the tube amp?
@GazMoz78
@GazMoz78 9 жыл бұрын
Cracking stuff gents :-)
@OneMoreGrave
@OneMoreGrave 8 жыл бұрын
I like to run my Dr. Scientist Reverberator in the loop, but not my delays so much. I like my delay dark, warbly, and analog. That reverb has a great JFET circuit that gives my sound a bit more clarity and definition. Kind of like the ep booster would but a bit smoother. And it's just a killer reverb pedal. Love the plate sounds on it.
@bottom_time
@bottom_time 8 жыл бұрын
Guys - great series of videos. Given you advice in Compressors 101 about compression being better after gain/drive stages would a compressor work in the loop? I note I have clean boost separate ahead of drive pedals and preamp so compression is for the effect not just boost.
@mattgilbert7347
@mattgilbert7347 7 жыл бұрын
Vibe/phase/flange? In the loop or front? Depends on the pedal? Ok, editing this a few days later and after some experimentation with my basic-bitch FX loop, I must say the delay & reverb sounded great post gain in the loop. But the interesting thing was the flanger or chorus. In the front it sounds ok but through the loop, I turned into Brian May. Not what I expected, given that my amp is not exactly expensive.
@mattsaysvideo
@mattsaysvideo 4 жыл бұрын
What kind of an effect would this have if I am running my guitar through a DI box and passing the signal through the box to both my preamp for recording but also my amp so I cam mic it and record both the direct line and miced amp?
@martijnvanspaendonck7989
@martijnvanspaendonck7989 9 жыл бұрын
Cool video! Recently discovered this channel and I love the video's and the topics that are covered. What I also love is that (for the most part, not this video of course) actual clean amps are being used to show pedals etc. It's always so frustrating that when you're looking for a pedal demo, every demo is played on a cranked amp or amp that's breaking up, to make it sound beter, or to cover up that it doesn't sound good into a clean amp. BTW, what's the drive in this video? Angry Charlie?
@TheGigRigDaniel
@TheGigRigDaniel 9 жыл бұрын
Glad you like the vids :) yeah, the angry Charlie on this one :)
@hdeline
@hdeline 6 жыл бұрын
Makes total sense. There some really great amps with awful loops!!!! If your using older stomps,make sure it is an instrument level loop or you will clip your delays especially. Unfortunately these types of loops require rack gear,and that doesn't always work either.
@marvinlemartien2186
@marvinlemartien2186 6 жыл бұрын
Sounds better in front of the amp ,my amp doesn't have a fx loop so now i have my answer great demoThanks
@marklynch403
@marklynch403 6 жыл бұрын
When going through the fx loop is it recommended to use a emulated output for example Blackstar amps?
@davidsharp9805
@davidsharp9805 3 жыл бұрын
Live, and loud... I always put my order as.... Amp: Laney LC50ii Front: Reverb, chorus Parallel loop: Delay, Boss LS2 looping 2 phasers (effects level about 70%) It adds an amazing honk to my Laney and the delay into the phaser means the phaser is kept moving rather than repeating a moment of the phaser. I blend the phaser in as loud it can be too dominant.
@asmallfarmhomestead3657
@asmallfarmhomestead3657 7 жыл бұрын
The delay and reverb is definitely more prominent in the effects loop, but that may not necessarily be what you want
@TheVigilantStewards
@TheVigilantStewards 7 жыл бұрын
Hmmm I think I liked reverb most in the loop but I could do delay in either place depending on use... solution? Strymon TimeLive in the loop, Jam Delay Llama in front, Chase Tone Secret Preamp in front of that! I've seen this before twice but revisited it. Good job demonstrating the pros and cons. FX loop can sound just right seems like sometimes or way too refrigerator rack sounding at other times . Maybe running straight in and adjusting the settings would be fine as long as you're not getting any more than mild tube compression.
@bennettmatte
@bennettmatte 8 жыл бұрын
So thinking of my pre-amp as a pedal in the chain... Where is my amps reverb? I have a Fender Hot Rod DeVille... Is the reverb before the loop or after the loop?
@bpdarragh
@bpdarragh 6 жыл бұрын
Hi gents, love your channel. Hope you give me some advice. I Have a reverb and chorus in my fx loop. I have established that a volume pedal (or an eq for that matter) being used in the fx loop to lower the volume may allow me to sculpt my tone at a lower volume. So this will give me a nicer tone at lower volumes. Would not use the volume pedal (or eq) as a boost, but push the power amp valves, but keep the volume tamed. HOWEVER the thing i cannot find out is this. I also have a clean boost and boss looper at the end of my fx loop chain. Can i use the volume pedal (or eq) to tame the amp, but keep my reverb, delay, looper and clean boost . (clean boost gives me a volume push in this position). dont want to buy another pedal if this will not work. BTW my FX loop at the moment works fine as it is. Hope yo can help. Regards Bryan
@dodoCROATIApunk
@dodoCROATIApunk 7 жыл бұрын
If i put phase in front of the amp should it before or after OD?
@timp.9582
@timp.9582 5 жыл бұрын
Gents, thnx for this video. Have boogie mkiv using simple modulation and OD pedals in front, using EH holy grail reverb and EH Nano memory toy delay in the fx loop. When the delay pedal is activated, the signal is practically boosted. It doesnt seem normal and i prefer to not have that, but rather rely on the amp to do the work of providing volume. What do you guys think is solution to this?
@I..cast..fireball
@I..cast..fireball 7 жыл бұрын
delay and reverb in front sounds nice because the reduced volume of the repeating / reverb sound is not full of gain like the initial note since it does not have enough volume to push the amp. In the loop, the reverb / repeats have the same gain sound as the initial notes. Putting them before retains better clarity of the actual notes you are playing.
@stratfredo27
@stratfredo27 8 жыл бұрын
Hey guys, first and foremost absolutely love your channel. I am a new comer to it no excuses just did not know of it. Question, is it possible to gang hook effects loops through two amps. Thanks for any assistance. Cheers
@Jeff4014
@Jeff4014 3 жыл бұрын
Please i need help.... My amps has a send / return fx loops but it also has a send level volume and return volume level respectively, which of both should i use to increse the pedal volume??
@Janine.Najarian
@Janine.Najarian 8 жыл бұрын
Question: The JC-40 is a stereo amp and also a great platform for pedals, but it also a stereo fx in the back. In that regard, would you still run your delays (two DD7s for example) and that through the loop or just save yourself the trouble and run everything in a single chain into the front seeing as how you'd want to be using 2 cables into the front to use the stereo anyway? And would the boost pedal still go into the fx loop to raise the volume for leads? This is all assuming you wouldn't be using the built in distortion at all. Thanks :)
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