The COMPLETE Guide to Pigeon Shooting - Decoying 130 Birds!!

Decoying Woodpigeons to protect crops is an art form, and today we headed out to learn everything there is to know about outwitting this incredible bird.
This is the complete guide to Pigeon Decoying with the Master of Pigeons - Paul Payne.
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[@rogerh3642]

Well this is just the best pigeon shooting video on the internet. What a lovely, modest guy. An expert in his field, no question about that. Thanks so much for such a professional and sporting video TGS.

[@paulpayne1264]

Kind of you , Paul 🤝

[@flightlinedecoys3136]

What an epic video, nothing but knowledge, humility, and information, probably one of the best Pigeon Videos on KZbin to date, stand up and take a Bow.!

[@tgsoutdoors]

Thankyou 🙏

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@pauldixon3089]

So glad I found this on KZbin. Not done much decoying but getting more opportunities. Learnt a lot from my own mistakes but this definitive honest guide from somebody who really has the knowledge will be a holy grail for a lot of people ( including myself) just starting out in the art of decoying. Thank you so much.👍

[@paulpayne1264]

Keep at it 👍Paul

[@tonyemans4512]

So much knowledge, these people are gold dust. Their skill and dedication should be recorded so others may learn. When I saw 1hour run time I did wonder. But the time went so quick, thoroughly enjoyed ever minute. I will watch it again

[@paulpayne1264]

Glad you enjoyed it, Paul 🤝

[@duanemorley9522]

What a pleasure to watch full of really useful information and what a refreshing change to some of the other so called experts. Thanks to you both for sharing.

[@paulpayne1264]

Thank you, Paul 🤝

[@mbell7860]

Thoroughly enjoyed your two shows with this man. Such an interesting and wise man, I'll bet that his wisdom extends far beyond pigeons.

[@paulpayne1264]

Thank you, Paul 👍

[@huntingkirk5942]

David Morrison took over H&H decoys no longer made but bought 11 like new with a receipt the other day

[@roi354]

I said this on your last video with Paul - what a top bloke. I'd love to have a day like this with him and living in Essex, he can't be far away!

[@paulpayne1264]

Thank you, but Jonny’s put a lead on me 🤣

[@colinelmer995]

One of the best instructional vids on the internet, no wonder Paul is so successful out in the field , keep em coming 👍

[@paulpayne1264]

Thank you, Paul 👍

[@grahamedwards9920]

I agree with everything said. I’d not normally bother with a video this long but this was fantastic and a trip down memory lane for me especially when he brought out the HH Decoys - I’ve still got 5/6 stuffed with foam to keep them in shape and they’re kept at the farm in an old home brew fermenting barrel carefully wrapped. They used to come with small balloons that you’d insert into the body then fill with air ( yep! by mouth😅 until they were firm ) - best decoys ever until the rubber started to age. And yes I remember in the 70’s and 80’s I seemed to be walking or cycling everywhere and decoying equipment had to be light to get it across ploughed fields etc and I was forever tinkering/modifying some bit of equipment to make life easier - I’d forgotten all that until I watched this video. Paul is the natural successor to Archie Coates and his wealth of knowledge and dedication to the sport is astonishing - and he wears it lightly. Look forward to the next one.

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, don’t really know how to answer that, your most kind thank you very much, Paul 👍🤝

[@joegraziano5849]

Great video! This, and the first one, are two of my favorite hunting videos. I had the great pleasure of shooting pigeons with Paul last month. Like in this video, much of the joy for me was in learning the field craft. Jonny does a great job capturing what it’s like to spend a day hunting with Paul. He’s an expert on pigeons, an excellent shot and a very fine gentleman!

[@paulpayne1264]

Very kind words, thank you joe 🤝

[@petertheobald1653]

So much information to take in, need to watch it again! Attention to detail is key to success.

[@paulpayne1264]

🤝

[@martinjrgensen5138]

Absolutely superb!!!!! No rush, just perfect!! What a living legend, when u meat a guy like him, u just listen and feel humble🙏

[@tgsoutdoors]

Masters of anything who are willing to share information are so rare. It was a pleasure to spend time in the hide learning from Paul

[@johngeorge2081]

I would buy that book! Everything from weather, equipment, set up, acquiring land permission...the chapters could be endless and extremely informative.

[@paulpayne1264]

Keep watching tgs outdoors and everything you will need to know will be on film for you, kind regards Paul 🤝

[@RobertTheViking88]

What an awesome video! I grew up rabbit hunting with an older gentleman and his dogs, probably because holding 5-6 beagles back from doing their jobs was a job in itself. But his knowledge of rabbits simply amazed me when in the field, as he had been hunting rabbits for 40+ years. Sorry to ramble on but this brings back memories, thanks Johnny

[@paulpayne1264]

Glad you enjoyed it 🤝

[@mpstein1976]

This reminds me of how I started with my Dad and his lab. He had permission on a farm and worked at B&B so often afternoons in summer holidays meant I would go along and help set up and shoot his sbs. I only appreciate now how lucky I was.

[@paulpayne1264]

👍👍

[@markcraddock5460]

Absolutely spot on the best video I have ever watched about pigeon shooting well done Johnny and Paul a real masterclass!! I've got a shotkam gen 4 I've got to say what a great piece of kit for looking back at your shooting adventures and also there brilliant if your struggling with certain shoots which happens quite a lot!

[@tgsoutdoors]

Thankyou mate, this one represents a good Chuck of our time in filming and editing. Wanted to do this master justice.

[@alanbowen7495]

An absolute wealth of knowledge.. I wish great video thanks guys

[@paulpayne1264]

Thanks 🤝Paul

[@markwierzbicki5307]

What an education! great video. Also nice to know i am not the only one who can miss sitters!

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@jacobjensen9468]

Great knowlegde and deddication! It would be very interesting to see how he decoy crows!

[@tgsoutdoors]

Great suggestion!

[@K80Ed]

Top vid with super chaps!

[@jccarter286]

Thankyou Mr Solomons

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@garyflynn0054]

what a true gent Paul is.........bravo sir!

[@paulpayne1264]

Thank you 👍

[@MSJOnline1]

Perfect timing chaps! I'm planning my first pigeon shooting in a couple of months, this has got me even more excited for it!

[@tgsoutdoors]

Good luck!

[@paulpayne1264]

Hope all goes well for you 👍

[@MSJOnline1]

@paulpayne1264 cheers Paul, it was supposed to be in May/June but back trouble meant sitting in a hide all day wasn't looking good... even with a cushion taped to the seat 🤣 Great video, informative and entertaining, can't wait now 👍

[@paulpayne1264]

Get well soon 👍

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, this is only my personal experience and maybe each person has their own view but it works for me

[@markbaillie2895]

Top man, always good to listen to a true pigeon shot.

[@paulpayne1264]

Many thanks, Paul 👍

[@chrissywhiskers]

This is a great video, JC and crew. I’ve tried decoying myself a couple times and the pigeons just flew nearby my patterns, pissed themselves and turned away before they were in range. This is super helpful knowledge from a pigeon master. 🎉

[@paulpayne1264]

Thanks for your comment, Paul 👍

[@scooby2435]

Great video johny, what a great bloke Paul is . really knows his stuff , what a gent ,

[@paulpayne1264]

Many thanks 👍

[@DodgeB]

Fantastic video big fella. Well done team. More like this please.

[@paulpayne1264]

👍👍

[@paulbodypumper1]

Really good thanks

[@paulpayne1264]

Thank you, Paul 🤝

[@chrishorner8589]

Amazing video incredible depth of knowledge. Learnt so much!

[@paulpayne1264]

I’m glad to hear that, thank you, Paul

[@recklesseric59]

great video i learnt a lot very informative

[@paulpayne1264]

Many thanks, Paul 👍

[@paulpayne1264]

Very kind thanks 🤝

[@marksharp1443]

Superb video thanks for making this very informative just what I needed to learn from thanks 😊

[@paulpayne1264]

Your most welcome 🤝Paul

[@ddoherty5956]

Thanks Paul, Thanks Jonny&Sache 👍

[@paulpayne1264]

🤝

[@eriklangbroek4652]

What a great video ! Thanks so much

[@paulpayne1264]

Glad you enjoyed it, many thanks, Paul

[@isabellesgaming9161]

Very informative paul is a top bloke very knowledgeable

[@paulpayne1264]

Hope you enjoyed it 👍

[@RyanOLeary-ky6gy]

Great video shot in a beautiful part of the world - shotkam ordered 👌🏼

[@tgsoutdoors]

Thankyou 🙏 it was a day to remember

[@jimmydst]

excellent video. There is something in here for shooters at all levels. And thanks for the tip on the Shotkam sale. About to order 2 for my mate and I through your link

[@tgsoutdoors]

Thankyou 😄 you won’t regret it!

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@alexheyesshooting6541]

Another awesome film. Paul is a true master of his craft.

[@paulpayne1264]

Thanks 🤝

[@leestringer8881]

Excellent as always Paul 👍🏻

[@paulpayne1264]

Thanks for your comment 🤝Paul

[@fieldsportswithspeed]

Amazing video thank you! 👍

[@paulpayne1264]

Thanks I enjoyed your films also 👍

[@redlightbulb]

Great information..

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@bobi4448]

Super vidéo merci a vous très intéressant, beaucoup de connaissances partagée 👍

[@paulpayne1264]

🤝

[@davidtaylor8822]

Excellent video! Great interviewer, great interviewee and tight editing. Your videos have become so professional!

[@paulpayne1264]

He is the best out there by a long way, please keep watching 👍

[@herrmauser1066]

Excellent video. This man should write a book to spread the knowledge. Regarding waste in nature - looks awful and nothing shall be left behind.

[@paulpayne1264]

I have been asked many times over the years to do a book by some of the uk,s top sportsman but people don’t seem to read books these days and Archie coats/ Peter Theobald have written the best out there so I would be trying to re invent the wheel in a way, many thanks to you, Paul 🤝

[@derek876544]

So reed net or stubble net is the go to rather than ex army camo ??????

[@paulpayne1264]

Always light net in any situation 👍paul

[@G78.]

Shooting at its purest man v wild birds 👊👍

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@rupertgodfrey267]

I've got the same hide poles, and still think they are the best on the market. Quite agree with the silly plastic loops on the top of too many poles, that just get in the way. I had a 'Dead Cert' too, and, until the magnet came out, it was a great tool, especially up in a standing crop. One of the best pigeon tutorials I've seen - though I still think shooting sitting down is the best way: you can look over the hide, and the first bird is dead before it sees any movement.

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@philipwilkinson636]

Very good! A couple of things I don’t agree with but on the whole gold dust advice, air pressure thing was interesting, high or low which is best? Also I don’t know a farmer that’s happy about watching pigeons/letting them build up, they want them kept off, if you leave 300 pigeons for three days and shoot on the fourth day and shoot a hundred, yes you’ve had a great day but you’ve left all those pigeons undisturbed feeding hard, he would rather you went everyday all day and shot 25 but kept them off

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, low pressure is better as with high pressure the birds are lazy and feeding late so more bunched up , I can see both sides, but if you keep chasing pigeons about they become decoy shy so your bags will become less but still get the damage, so if you let them settle then shoot- dead ones don’t come back!

[@philipwilkinson636]

Thanks Paul, I know what you mean, and I totally agree but a farmer I know had a lad tell him he was ‘letting them build up’ he doesn’t shoot there anymore 😂

[@50caliber29]

A rare occasion where Johny can talk at equal eye to eye level with someone 😂

[@tgsoutdoors]

A rare treat

[@paulpayne1264]

We did both have our heals on 🤣

[@stephenjohnson22]

Great vid jonny. Have been searching for a light coloured net like the one in your hide. Some on the internet but a little tacky, any ideas

[@11woods1]

Great video but where did Paul get that cammo net from, I’ve looked all over but so far drawn a blank, probably it’s years old and not made anymore…🤔

[@paulpayne1264]

Morning, if you can’t get it off line, x/ army shops sell it second hand 👍paul

[@11woods1]

Hi Paul. Have looked on several sites but still can’t find the net like yours, don’t suppose you have a website where you purchased yours from… ? Thanks…

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, unfortunately no as I have had mine 30 odd years now, have you looked into ex army second hand stores, mine was one light colour when I brought it, I then added abit of green from an old net wich breaks the colour up, Paul

[@BenBowen89]

I get asked a lot ‘what are we doing now? While driving along… One glance… ‘we’re on pidge patrol’ 😂

[@pedrojsanchezalvarado5569]

Muy excelentes lances de cazerias amigos saludos chebres caza

[@rudyelizondo1935]

Cool vid

[@porkpie4594]

Very interesting. Every day is a school day.

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@alanward4506]

I worked at the Shot Show New Orleans in 1992,taking a break from the stand I found a camouflage firm called Bee a Tree and they were marketing suits with branches and twigs built in,the most bizarre stuff i`ve ever seen.they were also selling a camouflaged campsite toilet called the Camp site Buddy which looked like a tree stump.

[@tgsoutdoors]

i saw a picture of a tree camoflage in a book in the beretta museum from 100 years ago. People must really want to dress as trees!

[@richardb5669]

Great vid, really informative and useful. My days in the hide never have such big numbers. Any advice for shooting live quarry instead of clays. Clays im always around 75-80% real pigeons if i hit 1 in 3 shots its a good day.?

[@paulpayne1264]

Great keep at it 👍Paul

[@DFox-ud3gx]

Wow my favorite shoot by far next to dove hunting. Just hang around the barns

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@dominicjohnson8427]

Great post, interesting that we didn’t see the use of a dog !

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, no pickup by hand at mo as lost my dog to cancer at 7 years old, now have two pups in training but not ready to use yet 👍paul

[@silvershroud9291]

Nice to have a pro give out some honest advice, and what a knowledgable man is Paul. What gun did he have Johnny? Any chance of a video with Ant in, they're always the funniest?

[@tgsoutdoors]

He shoots a K80

[@silvershroud9291]

looked tasty, parcours?@@tgsoutdoors

[@joesands952]

Looks more like a kreigoff "parcour " gun. not got seperate barrels like K80 ? And did i see same guy shooting pigeons with a miroku grade 5 think a model 60 with 32 barrels on u tube a while back ?@@tgsoutdoors

[@paulpayne1264]

Yes still have the miroku but it’s now in retirement 😢👍

[@kenlansing1216]

Good information.

[@tgsoutdoors]

The best!

[@paulpayne1264]

Thanks 👍

[@TheDoctor46526]

Good to some hunting instead of boring clay shooting 😫😴😴😴

[@ShotawayFilms]

Great watch.Something going on there with the glasses 😈.Have found the equestrian Stirrup Poles good for hides.

[@jccarter286]

Do they make you look at me differently 😉

[@ShotawayFilms]

@@jccarter286 Not at all just noticed the lens colour changes and your host field testing a pair to good effect.Landmark production this one Jonny.

[@paulpayne1264]

Best shooting glasses on the market and very competitive price, designed and sold by Ed Solomon world clay champion 👍

[@ShotawayFilms]

@@paulpayne1264 Well Paul think Ed Solomons designed the beard trimmer and Ed Lyons is the optometry Guru.😈 whatever a great film.Sach becoming the Spielberg of the shooting field.👌

[@duggaboy]

18:23 massive flinch on the trigger pull!

[@Aberfeldyy]

Loved the video! is there any website to book with Paul? he seems like a guy i am looking for go out with for the first time ever!

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, I do not use websites just go about my job in silence until me and tgs teamed up please keep watching the channel 👍

[@Aberfeldyy]

@@paulpayne1264 hi Paul I for sure will keep watching I love the video's :D I liked the calmness of you explaining the how what and where, great shooting and all the gear :D many of my friends are veterans in going to the UK for pigeon hunting but for me the opertunity never came to tag along but I am looking more and more to make the leap over the canal to give it a go but with prices rising and good the bad and the ugly out there I am looking for good place to go and i will find it someday all the best to you hope to see more video's you 2 were a good couple 😉

[@a.j.4338]

so many questions still open....... but great viedeo!

[@tgsoutdoors]

what questions do you want answered, i'm sure this is no the last time we see Paul

[@a.j.4338]

@@tgsoutdoors what does he think about decoy floaters and flappers? What decoys and rigs does he preferre? ( he obviously hangs them up in the style of Chris green) does he do lofting? So many man. ...

[@paulpayne1264]

Keep watching tgs and hopefully your questions will be answered in the next films 👍

[@a.j.4338]

thank you@@paulpayne1264

[@randywilder2797]

Birds fall from the window ledge above mine, than they flap their wings at the last second. And if I don't get up and walk across the room and peer down below, I won't won't see their last second curve toward a horizontal flight.

[@HighlandMac1]

Fantastic video👍 Have to disagree at 20:38 as Crows and Pigeons in my area happily mix on flattened crop. Crow's definitely dont dominate an area. Crows must be more tolerant North of the Border.

[@CrimeVid]

What does Paul think of the old straw bale hides ? Archie seemed to like them !

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, I have shot in them many times over the years, in Archie coats days I don’t know if light nets were available but I have always found them very much restricted view, but nice and warm on cold winter days, Paul

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@trevoror8668]

When you leave leave only feathers and no thing more

[@matthewdeepblue]

Why Are Bag Limits So High? In Kentucky daily bag limits: Quail - 8 Grouse - 4 Rabbit - 4 Most ducks - 5 or 6. Electric and most moving decoys are illegal

[@tgsoutdoors]

Wood Pigeons are an agricultural pest, they need to be controlled as the numbers are so high. If you go out ad shoot a handful this just pushes the problem to a neighbouring farm, so large numbers (a small percentage of the local resident population) need to be taken to limit damage. In areas where there are less pigeons, significantly less are shot, however in the arable centres of Britain, regular large bags need to be taken. Winter is still the biggest killer of pigeons, but with milder winters and more intensive agricultural cycles, the population continues to rise.

[@matthewdeepblue]

I see, thanks. I understand now, you maybe should talk about that in the beginning, I think some are shocked by the numbers.

[@adriantyler6911]

@@matthewdeepblue I see your point from someone outside the UK, but as said these are not Game, this is pest control. Good point though!

[@adriantyler6911]

Bloody good eating though!!

[@matthewdeepblue]

@@adriantyler6911 yeah I know they explained

[@tst698]

Would love to see a “complete guide to wildfowling video”

[@genghishank1]

Almost 1 shot for every 1000 subscribers

[@tobymanners9938]

Liquorice roll ups?

[@paulpayne1264]

Lol yes correct, my vice I’m afraid 👍

[@tobymanners9938]

​@@paulpayne1264Snap! My vice too......👌

[@ekremreyilmas]

Sunglasses model ?

[@joedunn6523]

Decathlon don’t sell any decoys/ hide poles/ netting or any hunting equipment anymore in the UK They sell the odd bit of country clothing but unfortunately they’ve got rid of all the decent stuff

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, yes that’s true, from what I’ve heard decathlon put something about thrush shooting on their website and had lots of complaints so dropped uk shooting equipment 😢

[@ChemicalShots]

Is that 2 flappers on a spinner? Where can i get that!

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, it’s nick tait at Flightline decoys, called the big g , magnet with two ff6 flappers on arms, top machines and British made 👍

[@CaptainRon1913]

So this is an ad for Shotcam

[@tgsoutdoors]

It’s a video sponsored by ShotKam, all the rest is free information!

[@vonschnappi]

Good on him, I hate pigeons.

[@leohaywood-farmer1662]

Someone we will used to have for our deer would lie about how many he was shooting so my dad just kicked him off and we haven't seen him since

[@tgsoutdoors]

It’s interesting what people will say to keep shooting permissions

[@paulpayne1264]

Been the vain of my world when people can’t count, I always take a picture and send to the farmers 👍

[@jamesgilhooly8922]

Do you get paid?

[@leohaywood-farmer1662]

@@jamesgilhooly8922 never saw a penny

[@cogboy302]

Are they going to end up as dinner?

[@tgsoutdoors]

Every one of them gets shared between Us, the farmer, butcher and game dealer

[@juleswhicker]

Loved the video, but this is an area I'd have liked to hear more about. I stopped shooting pigeons over decoys when my local game dealer stopped taking them. I loved the shooting and saw the damage they were doing, but couldn't be happy with killing them just for crop protection with no onward route into the food chain. Even before that, I was concerned at the potential for spoilage resulting from dead birds being left out in the sun or piled up in the hide. Given all the kit sold for pigeon shooters, it has always surprised me that there's nothing designed to help get the birds to the dealer/larder in the best condition possible, and precious little advice available either.

[@paulpayne1264]

Hi, my advice to keep birds in good condition is keep them out in the field and in the breeze even in sunlight as you get less flies out in the open than you will in the shade and never pile them up or they will go green quickly in hot weather 👍

[@nicksamsunggalaxys2404]

Shooting pigeons over that particular plant which I forget that re-nitrate’s the ground is very easy pigeons are stupid for the bean like pods

[@robertjenkins9734]

Hi. Try some crow shooting 😂have to up your game I think 🤔

[@jccarter286]

Watch this space!

[@paulpayne1264]

Not at all, I have shot many a crow in my time and the main principle is the same 👍

[@TMFShooting]

💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥💥

[@thepotterer3726]

I thought "somebody" tried to get pigeon shooting over stubbles banned as it was no longer deemed crop protection - hopefully common sense prevailed.

[@paulpayne1264]

Yes the license was revised so by law you have to try moving the birds on first then it’s last resort to shoot them 👍

[@CrimeVid]

You certainly should not count birds that you can’t put your hand on, that’s like cheating at golf !

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@aoe76]

37,14 them fingers Johnny … please do not put them there 😮

[@waynemotty3265]

I enjoyed the video overall, but its interesting how decoyer's views differ. I consider myself an experienced shooter, but disagreed with Paul on a few points. I'm sure if you were to make a similar video with Anthony Poolman, his views would also differ. Just because someone is successful, it doesn't mean they are correct on every viewpoint they have.

[@pedrojsanchezalvarado5569]

🇪🇨🇪🇨👍

[@duncanmcpherson2497]

Didn’t know Elton John shot 🤓

[@paulpayne1264]

🤣

[@ddoherty5956]

Its because your to tall for the hide Jonny😂

[@jccarter286]

Nah, just too ginger

[@derrickbailey8659]

Not for working man .expensive kit and just put me off with ads

[@robertyoung6731]

Not good Jonny 👎

[@Joe0898]

Why

[@matthewdeepblue]

Number?

[@christopherhindle1174]

Why on earth not? Have I missed something?

[@paulpayne1264]

?

[@wholeNwon]

People eat all those birds? Landowner doesn't care about the pounds of lead polluting his soil? Food grown there?

[@borisfargo1290]

Pigeons get eaten and taste very nice . Lead isn’t a pollutant and is spread very vastly over the field . Much worse to eat a field of crops next to a busy road with all the pollution than someone shooting legally

[@jameswilson6717]

@@borisfargo1290well said pal well said,we’re only putting the lead back from where it came from.👍🏻

[@paulpayne1264]

All go in food chain or ferrets, 👍

[@bavariasuhl]

he shoots pigeons with a krieghoff ... and a fancy one at that.

[@tgsoutdoors]

Sometimes it’s nice to have nice things

[@paulpayne1264]

👍

[@kevinturner5857]

Wimps 😂

[@paulpayne1264]

👍