FantasticJonny, I have never seen such a comprehensive description of these actions before. I learnt so much and really appreciate your enthusiasm for the subject matter.
@14goldmedals3 жыл бұрын
You've succeeded at pouring out more words per minute than any other gun video to my knowledge. Plus you've taught me everything I didn't know about the Beretta design and why I love Brownings the way I do. Thank you for your effort and I'm off to hug my 725 before bed.
@nikitamckeever54034 жыл бұрын
Once bought a knackered kestrel side by side boxlock with a broken sear spring . I didn’t know the difference between boxlock / sidelock etc . I took it apart , polished the good parts , made a sear spring and tempered it ( took 2 goes ) . Refinished the timber work and low and behold it worked . Used it in cowboy action shooting before gifting it to a newbie . Still working . I wished I had watched your video first , it would have helped . I have been shooting for years but only recently have gone over to the dark side ( clays ) . Sold all my firearms and bought a couple of Miroku shotguns , first shoot on Sunday , can’t wait 😊. Keep up the videos and the enthusiasm , you rarely see anyone with your enthusiasm for anything shooting wise , maybe capandball . Thank you 🙏
@VidarXR4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this upload, exactly the type of information i like. If you could make a similar video on forcing cones, triple cones and the like it would be great!
@tgsoutdoors4 жыл бұрын
We have a forcing cones video coming in the week!
@davidweeks25214 жыл бұрын
@@tgsoutdoors it would be interesting to do a video about thing you can get you local gunsmith to do to make a off the shelf gun better like polishing parts, jewelling and also what customisation things you can do like pistol grip cap or chrome oval ect, but thats just me lol, like if i had this beretta i would have to get the wood refinished cant have sanding marks in it would drive me insane lol
@tgsoutdoors4 жыл бұрын
Hi David, i like that idea. We may well do a series on it when we get back to vague normality. 'How to improve an Over an Under' - showing the work as we go
@JoeC92Ай бұрын
As much as i love the current videos, i love these old ones of Jonny just talking
@jeanmorin32474 жыл бұрын
Now, this is really worth listening. Superb course. Thank you.
@Trampslikeusjb Жыл бұрын
Incredible detail, thank you, I am always fascinated with these actions!
@xiaominsong6 ай бұрын
9:44 I obfuscated side plate with side lock until you explain it. Thanks Jonny!
@principalhumancapital53734 жыл бұрын
John, thank you for this well thought out, and precise bit of information. Your channel has helped those new to both firearms, and to conservation. I can only imagine this is a labour of love.
@zmumtaz2 жыл бұрын
Best description comparing box lock to side locks. Period.
@carlmarsden25294 жыл бұрын
Excellent vid, thanks very much. I'm a designer and ex-fitter but relatively new to shotguns and I'm fascinated by them, especially the older ones.
@moelee98324 жыл бұрын
Thank you TGS now I know the difference between actions. No other video that Ive found has explained this in such detail, while being concise. This will save me several thousand quid; now I know buying a true sidelock and shooting full loads is a terrible idea. Likewise I know the reason some actions are inherently strong, and why some are more expenside, and why the RST Shotshell company's low pressure loads are important to vintage gun operators. BRILLIANT!!!!
@kurtlanford1448 Жыл бұрын
Great job sir! Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge.
@kenstevens706429 күн бұрын
Thank you Johnny, that has really made that clear to me 😊
@paulbryan10134 жыл бұрын
Nice upload again I have in the past described Italian style guns as alfa romeo types and Browning Miroku types as hilux discovery and the like I know which one I'd trust to get me home in a storm. Just me maybe
@oscarandersson1363 жыл бұрын
This video helped me to unscrew my 1950 Beretta 626, now i can restore the stock and get rid of some old scratches.
@Darthdoodoo2 ай бұрын
Just bought my first cheap vintage sxs i can't wait to take it apart and make it look new again
@docskeekmo3 жыл бұрын
Wow. I always love your videos. But this one totally satisfied my inner gun geek!!! It was awesome. Thanks.
@omarabdelrahman37393 жыл бұрын
Good video. A part 2 that explains the development of the trigger plate action by Mc Naughton and later Dickson would be great. Also an explanation of the Beesley (Purdey) action would complete the series.
@wholeNwon4 жыл бұрын
Sheltering in place. Knew all that and first video I watched today anyhow. Thanks and stay well.
@neilbrailsford18884 жыл бұрын
thanks for this and expanding my limited knowledge on different actions BRILLIANT
@timeverett78284 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! But, I wish you would have shown a Perazzi detachable trigger plate action. They are truly a work of art and magnificent engineering.
@donr4163 жыл бұрын
The internet is a wonderful thing. I learned a lot. Thanks. Can you go into the details of the Berretta silver pigeon?.
@piersmarchington4 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video chaps. Lovely to get an insight into how they work
@tgsoutdoors4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it mate - any requests for more like this?
@piersmarchington4 жыл бұрын
@@tgsoutdoors yes absolutely I think having more videos on gunsmithing would be brilliant. I think most people that like shooting love the mechanics of how they work.
@Darthdoodoo2 ай бұрын
Good explanation thank you. This is what KZbin is for👍💪😎
@georgeanaxagora11344 жыл бұрын
Can't wait until watch your next video thank you John and continue good job.
@thatgearguy Жыл бұрын
Very much appreciated. Thank you.
@bubbajones59054 жыл бұрын
Very informative. It would be very useful to see how to best lubricate each type of action.
@tonyrobertson46334 жыл бұрын
Very informative. I often wondered what all the terms meant and what the differences are. One slight improvement would be to make sure the subject was centered in the camera frame, especially for the small details. Keep safe Jonny!
@davidhogg82614 жыл бұрын
Great video it’s good to have the actions explained so clearly
@ronlochocki6053 жыл бұрын
A very well done explanation. I was wondering about the difference between my Citori 725 and a 686. Thanks.
@sensiblefarmer92864 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial, very informative.
@billflythe40923 жыл бұрын
Thanks TGS and Johnny......excellent teaching on shotgun actions....Great Job!
@allanjgray13 жыл бұрын
Thank's for this one, very interesting.
@GiovanniSestili4 жыл бұрын
Very instructive! Thanks a lot!
@joelhall51242 жыл бұрын
The more I learn, the more I love O/U design and engineering
@purewolfking41464 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, many thanks. Could the over and under box lock not be described as a centre lock ??
@DrBreezeAir4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Johnny!
@andypandy99314 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and nice to see traditional mechanisms still in use but I am surprised nobody has invented an electronic design for this,
@2thelight Жыл бұрын
Thanks, learned a lot.
@aquatotsuk4 жыл бұрын
Great video - would like to see the actual trigger action of the boxlock onto the sear lever. Why? I have a an old C&H SBS, (boxlock/sideplate) that sometimes , the rear triger needs an extra pull upwards to activate the sear. Not always, just sometimes. Unsure, if the problem is at the trigger /sear union, or with the cocking mechansim adjustment. My gun dealer has said they will sort it, when they re-open after the covid crisis. Great video - well done, the more us'shooters; become educated on the actual machanisms of our guns, the better we will understand the art of shooting.
@johanneslarcher4934 Жыл бұрын
Excellent documentation. Now I see. ... Couldn' t you possibly explain, how the Front shaft ist working together with the ejectors ? My lower Barrel ejector is stuck on my 686 Onyx and my DT11
@philiplewis72524 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video,thank you.
@fiacitro4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I'm fairly new to all this and appreciate the time you put into these videos. As an aside, you mentioned working on an U/O that appeared to be a side lock...but was actually a side plate with faked pins. I was wondering what was up with the Nikko Grandee, compared to pretty much all of the other Nikko's I'd seen...and now I think I know!
@dale_ch4 жыл бұрын
More educational stuff - very cool - love watching it 😎👍
@tgsoutdoors4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it mate
@simoncrooks74414 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, thanks very much for that
@richardtimms87334 жыл бұрын
Is there a massive difference between trigger pulls using V springs to that of coil springs, I now shoot a DT10EELL from a 1985 682L, and it has V springs, I find the trigger pull crisper?
@mikebrewis90404 жыл бұрын
Great video - extremely informative. Could you do one on mounting a scope properly?
@ehonda42083 жыл бұрын
Love the video man, tons of knowledge. I just subbed. I do live chats about guns and just bought a side by side that is in a state of disrepair that I am planning on fixing up. I would love to hear what you know about the J Saive Arms 12 gage side by side. Any way man love the video! Cheers!
@numnydar26 күн бұрын
I have a Laurona SxS shotgun I am trying to adjust for CAS competition and the barrel does not drop far enough to speed load when the breech is opened but I can not find any manuals for this gun but I have found they are similar to JC Smith
@johnhjic24 жыл бұрын
One more great video, One thing when this lockdown had ended if you have the time to reshoot with a camera person would just help the video. So interesting subject and nicely explained. Very hard to shoot be your self. Thanks keep well.
@hikerdoc67714 жыл бұрын
Very interesting and informative, thank you.
@Lord-Snowflake3 жыл бұрын
Well done
@stuarthawkes13824 жыл бұрын
Really informative for somebody new like me, great stuff!
@tgsoutdoors4 жыл бұрын
A pleasure, glad we can help
@frederick80674 жыл бұрын
Where did you learn all this technical stuff?
@evanparkinson75254 жыл бұрын
Jonny is a gunsmith....
@robertstewart14644 жыл бұрын
I see you have the same engineers steel rule as me. I use the cheaper ones now as every time I buy a good Rabone rule some bloody chimp tea leafs it. Nice colours on that yeoman, mines not got a stitch left on it. Question...could you put yeoman barrels of a 1960s vintage in a hot caustic bath to re-black them? Or would the ribs shit them bed and fall out?
@markzerinskas18063 жыл бұрын
Question John. What is the best way to get info on a shotgun? I have a side-by-side with side locks with the Manufacturer name of Springfield Arms Co I'm having a hell of a time trying to find out anything about this old shotgun.
@michaelkazaryan67574 жыл бұрын
Hi John, Thank you for your videos. For relatively new starters like me your videos a like a window into the world that we like, weather what gun to chose, how to look after it or clean it, how to store it. etc... They are very informative and entertaining to watch. This video in particular is very interesting and informative. (Ill probably watch it a few times more :) ) because of self isolation i have nothing to do and get quite bored to be honest. Yesterday i removed firing pins from my Miroku MK 38 to clean them and to see if i could put whole thing together again (Something i would never thought i would do. :). As i said "Bored". I have a big request for you, if you have time to make a video about gun longevity . As a gunsmith you have insight and knowledge that we don't. The questions most interest me, how long will my gun last me? i shoot approximately 1000 cartilages a month. Some people say the gun can last a life time... But they may shoot a few hundred cartridges a year, whereas when you're into sporting, you shoot in a year as much as others shoot in their life time. Can you please help answer this question? Thank you.
@HJDore4 жыл бұрын
Michael Kazaryan unlike rifles shotguns have no rifling that can wear out, if you look after and keep a shotgun clean it should last you for many years no matter how many cartridges you put through it.
@michaelkazaryan67574 жыл бұрын
@@HJDore Thank you. I do look after my gun as best i can. I clean it after each shoot, keep it in a sock inside the cabinet, (mostly to avoid banging it on the the side of cabinet). But you are right smooth bore should not be waering as much as rifiled barrels. Thank you pal, i apretiate it.
@timeverett78284 жыл бұрын
Just buy a Perazzi. Easily get 400000 rounds use out of it.
@kyebeaney83073 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, i do think Browning's feel more "solid" compared to Beretta's. In my opinion, Brownings feel better engineered out of the two brands.
@jogon79504 жыл бұрын
When you've put it all back together. And find you've a lever, spring & 2 screws....
@tgsoutdoors4 жыл бұрын
😂 not happened in a while
@roeng13684 жыл бұрын
Like the old joke about the guy who rebuilds a car, and has enough parts left over to build a scooter for his wife.
@tomovens97093 жыл бұрын
OI onion icing
@benclay86894 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on single shotguns the action types and why people should by one
@MaineOutdoorsChannel4 жыл бұрын
I have a Sig Arms o/u Aurora TR 30 imported from Italy to the USA..... Is it a side lock or is it a box lock with side plates.. i think it is made by B. Rizzini
@agoogleuser71263 жыл бұрын
I always wondered about actions & you just summed it up quite nicely, well done.. you should probably teach classes, Your very thorough & Knowledgeable.
@markbutler16164 жыл бұрын
Enjoyed that very much. Many thanks. Any thoughts on firing pin durability? My miroku eats them!
@tgsoutdoors4 жыл бұрын
An issue with Miroku firing pins. It’s not a particular fault in the design, and is mostly aesthetic. You can buy some exciting material ones that will give you some extra life but it’s down to you.
@markbutler16164 жыл бұрын
@@tgsoutdoors Thanks very much. That's good to know. Do you sell them?
@tgsoutdoors4 жыл бұрын
We do not I’m afraid, I have made them in the past but they end up rather expensive. I was going to get a friend with an engineering firm to make me up a batch of titanium alloy ones to see if they are an improvement.
@453421abcdefg123453 жыл бұрын
All very interesting, but on your demonstration of the boxlock Anson and Deeley you had the cocking limb the wrong side of the striker, it would only cock on closing the gun that way round. Also, I cannot see how you think the sidelock is the weaker, it has the advantage of two steel plates(the locks), bracing the sides of the head, which are fixed through with a pin, this gives an immense strength to the head which is not present on a boxlock, the bars are cut away that is true, but not on a back action sidelock, which is why that method is used on a double rifle, then we look at the over and under, which with either the Trigger plate or Boxlock has fully 75% of the wood cut away at the head to accommodate the action, and with very little holding the cheeks together unless the front is undercut with a dovetail to prevent them spreading, yet they are still considered as "strong actions", steel is stronger than wood, the only reason the boxlock is more common is that it is cheaper to produce. Stay safe! Chris B.
@timcaplinger49024 жыл бұрын
Some side by sides have a second lever on the left side of the action above the triggers. What is the purpose of that second lever?
@stephenellis52263 жыл бұрын
A cocking indicator.
@ThePippin894 жыл бұрын
"As you can see..." nope can't actually you're out of frame! Haha All joking aside I've been wondering about the differences for some time so great to learn! Thanks
@yianniboulas93154 жыл бұрын
Which beretta is that?
@yo6462 жыл бұрын
1:02
@simerjitsekhon15784 жыл бұрын
Good, but, not given your choice, which is better at pulling the trigger, and long lasting, durable, with better steel, Belgians, English, Italians, Germans or Russians, or Turkey is still the best.
@benj93724 жыл бұрын
I feel that I've missed the introductory video and struggle to understand what half of the terms actually mean....
@wholeNwon4 жыл бұрын
Regardless of the action design, have you ever seen a shotgun receiver fail and become unsafe (crack, separate, blow apart, etc.)?
@robmoore31514 жыл бұрын
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 💥💥
@engineer62504 жыл бұрын
Instructive Johnny. Thank you. But slow down on your talking and use a fine tipped pointer please? The only other thing that could improve your video is more close ups, but I understand your cameraman is kinda unavailable!🙄
@sanketshinde11424 жыл бұрын
Nice video, would have been awesome if the focus was right on the action rather than the leather below.
@paulomedeiros62844 жыл бұрын
Autêntica arte
@DirectionRessourcesHumainesSil3 ай бұрын
i love u
@JohnJones-vm3qg9 ай бұрын
Generally informative, but would have been easier to follow if you had slowed down your speech, used a real pointer, and kept actions and triggers pointed in same direction at all times.
@TheCraigy834 жыл бұрын
Dont like it reminds me of how our generation struggle with this level of craftsman ship but know Windows products inside out . Were at a stage where the average man cant produce 99% of the items we use without a large decked out lab /machineshop & chunk of land .
@czechmix221 Жыл бұрын
Late stage capitalism, with a highly specialized workforce. There are plenty of people who can still make these guns, any competent machinist and woodworker could make a custom firearm. If our economy were not so specialized, we would have far far far less free time.
@slimpickens22432 ай бұрын
Super super.....so many get those confused....thanks!! WAK.PHD