Perazzi HTS Vs Yildiz Pro Sporting - Ft. Lloyd Pattison

Lloydy P owns a Real Perazzi HTS - Jonny owns a Real TGS gun - it would have been rude to not to compare them!
Filmed at the vast and brilliant Orston Shooting ground that will feature in an upcoming U.K. Clay Pigeon Tour.
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[@MichaelYarde]

The two best gents on Gun KZbin finally together. Very much looking forward to whatever else you both have in store

[@lloydyp]

Tell you what mind, the only thing more handsome in the vid than the Perazzi is that Lloyd bloke. What an absolute stud muffin.

[@10beerman]

to many muffins perhaps. :-)

[@willt3861]

I would have to give 1st place to the Perazzi. 😂

[@lloydyp]

@@willt3861 harsh but fair.

[@neilbrailsford1888]

HAHAHA

[@sasha.novakovic]

I’d do horrible things

[@hammerdown9]

Next video, Pilla eyewear vs. cheap safety glasses. Love the content!

[@paulwilson7234]

A lot of good points and a very good video. The Yildiz certainly looks the part. 💥💥

[@jasonsetterfield627]

yet another great video and best two gun nuts on youtube thank you .

[@D3F3ND3R86]

Brilliant! Can’t wait to see Lloyd review the Yildiz

[@wholeNwon]

For that one could likely find a masterpiece of a well-known gunmaker's art, cherished for generations and which might well feel much better in your hands. I really like it when strangers approach to ask about a gun I happen to be using. Then, when I ask whether they would like to try a few shots, their eyes light up and I know I've made their days. Sometimes new is just new, not better.

[@daboo7725]

It's all about the nut behind the gun. Best quote I've heard this year 🤣🤣

[@matthewappelhanz1343]

I watch both of your channels. This was fantastic! Please do more!

[@tgsoutdoors]

Don’t you worry, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

[@mikeproctor3664]

As the song goes "Ain't nothing like the real thing baby"

[@stuartwelford7562]

Surprised there was little or no talk of brand snobbery. It's a big reason for many people who spend big money on guns ,glasses and expensive accessories .

[@willt3861]

I always thoroughly enjoy your videos I think as individuals you make the best shooting videos on KZbin. Even better when you get together. A video on Huglu guns would be really good as there isn't much at all on KZbin. Thanks.

[@fullchoke01]

Look up cz redhead deluxe, cz canvasback they are huglu's badged as cz in the states

[@syedakbar77]

nice. you are certainly bringing them to recognition.

[@timeverett7828]

Best two Sporting Arms reviewers on KZbin! What a cracking good video and very entertaining.

[@lloydyp]

Cheers Tim.

[@jakeemig1219]

Lloyd Pattison , looking forward to seeing your review/comparison of these two guns! Any idea when Yildiz will get you one for review?

[@royjennison3916]

great vid as all ways Johnny , the YILDZ , looks nice for the money

[@andyp2343]

Would have loved to see a more detailed side by side comparison and also a gun swap. Great video..2 beautiful guns.

[@skeetman22]

“With your REAL Perazzi, with your special rib and your custom stock” lol

[@redduc9523]

Two of my favorite guys on guns! Jonny you finally got a proper pair of shooting glasses!!😜😜 Pilla is based just north of me, great bunch of people.

[@tgsoutdoors]

Well, to be honest JV I just stole this pair from Lloyd after breaking mine earlier in the day.

[@redduc9523]

@@tgsoutdoors and look how good they made you shoot

[@funkla65]

For me, the Perazzi is about as aspirational as Elizabeth Hurley. Never going to happen. Unfortunately, you can't get into a Yildiz Prostar in the US for under $4k. And it's not all about the exchange rate, as Academy sells the SPZ ME for less than $500. So, that puts the Prostar in a sticky spot. You're talking Caesar Guerini or very nice Beretta money. I just don't see them taking off here with that pricing structure.

[@daveholmes6407]

I can buy from two dealers today for a bit under 4K.

[@tonywilliams4449]

@@daveholmes6407 Can you send me those dealers please, I am in love with Yildiz.

[@piersmarchington]

Great to see you guys collaborating.

[@PSESHOOTINGNTRAINING]

My favorite two English shooters. Great show.

[@stonefly514]

Also point noted, most Audi cars don't come fitted with direction Indicators as std ,where as Skoda's do...?

[@anthonyjones8838]

Having done the Perrazi experience & owning a HT, Yes I would agree that you can spec exactly what you want. However would I do it again if money allowed No! Even though Perrazi do offer a great service, Value for money isn't one of them. My personal experience was with stock & chequering finish, below what you would expect for the price of a Perrazi. If I ever change the HT then I would by an action that I like best & have a custom stock from Manuel Ricardo.

[@Plainsimple67]

OR GET A USED ONE FOR A LOT LESS AND HAVE IT FITTED TO YOU AND ENJOY THE SHOTGUN SHOOTING EXPERIENCE IN THE FIELD AND THE RANGE.

[@avocado9763]

The man makes the gun, not the other way around. Its fitted to the shooter. If you had a mossberg that was fitted to you it would be a major advantage.

[@neilbrailsford1888]

two top blokes great viewing

[@blackadder1966]

In terms of recoil was there a difference? I'm getting back into clays and wondering if upgrading is worth it. Currently using a browning Gp which is approx 12-13 years old, my dream gun used to be a Dt10. Now at age where i have more disposable income. Shot a high rib or stepped rib krieghoff (didnt like it became didn't have time to worknout how to shoot it) hit i think 21/25 skeet, switched to a Dt10 and shot 75/75 skeet (bywell on my last trip to uk in 2014)

[@fullchoke01]

Both great guns, dollar for dollar the yildiz is a clear winner, it is 95% of a perazzi and 1/10th the price. It lacks some extremes of hand finishing that you get with the P gun, but mechanically and material wise its a close as you can get. That being said even though its the price of a silver pigeon/and a far better gun than a 686, like lloyd said not many will walk past a browning, berretta etc to buy a turkish gun. Perazzi is the ferrari of shotguns, you buy the name and the experience/support. Honestly no shotgun is worth 10,000 pounds plus when you are talking mechanical advantage, but if you have the money to they are one hell of a gun and the experience and pride of ownership is what you buy

[@mitchwoods5070]

One of the best videos in a long time...

[@halhaji84]

Well done guys 👍

[@davidowen1195]

it doesn’t matter the make of gun,if it fits the person who’s shooting it you will kill anything, it just comes down to reliability and quality of the materials

[@chucksgmgarage1116]

Johnny what are the chances I can get a set of barrels for a Winchester Supreme Field in 32-34" barrels. Can't find anything here in the states. Really want to shoot trap/sporting clays but I think my 26" barrels might be in the short side.

[@davidbetts480]

The way I look at it is if a gun of any description suits you no matter of the cost Does it matter.

[@FeralTuckerFella]

Bloody good review and comparison. I was still a little lost as to who out shot who. I gotta say the wood on the yildiz is something else. I'd be keen for a blind test (not that'd be possible). I know a few people with hi-tecs now, but in appearance the stock dimensions on the yildiz look a little more versatile. Keep up the good work TGS.

[@leeward1153]

Can you do a review of a huglu renova semi auto shotgun please

[@borjastick]

Johnny how about some more info on your gun and link please? Price too.

[@briannoble366]

How about a rematch! MX12 vs Pro Sport that would be a better match up instead of Perazzi's latest and greatest. I know who the winner is, but a more fair comparison and good reason for the boys to get together for a rematch. ;)

[@lerosh2226]

It goes bang and shoots in the same place,, 😎

[@daboo7725]

It's all about the nut behind the gun. Truer words on the shooting range will seldom be heard !

[@aydingultekin2846]

Perazzi itself is a clone. Of Boss. I am from Turkey and I have an Akdaş trap shotgun. Also a Huglu shotgun. Huglu is the name of the village where most of them are made. These Huglu Yıldız etc Turkish shotguns are real high quality. I had a Browning trap shotgun. Tried Berettas Perazzis etc. Trust me. U aint getting a bad gun. U r getting more than u paid

[@tgsoutdoors]

Don’t worry, There were multiple fake boss jokes made throughout the day!

[@aydingultekin2846]

@@tgsoutdoors A funnier story. It is real. A guy with a borrowed Huglu had the highest score once in a major competition . All Perazzis dt11s

[@martinhambleton5076]

I have three Yildiz, My son has one, and my wife has one All totally brilliant, and I consider them to be the best value for money guns on the market today, bar none. Well done Yildiz.

[@robster1021]

Browning-Miroku most guns are based off another, it's just a luxury one-up-manship at the range, how can you tell if you're shooting with a Kreighoff owner.......?

[@darrenhaywood9260]

Johnny, would the word you were looking for to describe it be “homage” ?

[@mikeproctor3664]

Take the advise of someone who has spent lots of money trying to take the cheap way out, only to finally in the end spend the money getting what I should have bought first.

[@dynamodel]

Brand snobbery is big in shooting as witnessed here. The funny part is when Johnny asks floyd "what's the difference between the two?" Lloyd is stumped "the metal work". I would say the name is the only difference at the end of the day your swinging a lump of wood and two metal tubes through the air. Yildiz give a 5 year warranty with their guns perazzi 1 or two years depending on place of purchase. Perazzi obviously don't have much faith in the longevity of their guns for good reason.

[@thesomersethunters8405]

Two big deals right there

[@tgsoutdoors]

Could have been 3...

[@Mauser304]

At the end of the day, Yildiz will have more impact on the shooting sports than Perazzi. A quality gun and an affordable price will impact more people and bring them into the sport.

[@usp40guy5]

For the average, or better than average trap shooter, the Yildiz is is still going to meet or exceed your own capabilities for a long time. If you ever reach the point that it no longer does, maybe then consider getting a custom-fitted, bespoke shotgun.

[@clive1539]

Given you used the Rolex comparison..... a $100 quartz watch will generally keep better time than a Rolex submariner, people definitely buy it for what it represents rather than what it does. Shotguns are tubes which you point, the majority of the process is the shooter. You just need to find one you like the balance and feel of.... and practice A LOT.. Having said that all mine are Berettas 🤐

[@williamavery9185]

Ok take away all the pretty bits, do all parazzis have the same lock?

[@itsobvious5835]

When I look at you two shooting, the real Perazzi seems to have less muzzle jump. Mabie its just the way Lloyd is down on his gun more.. Are the bores the same diameter? From what I understand, the two companies use the same quality metal. Use the same machines to cut and bore the metal. Have the same action. Yildiz Has good access to the Turkish walnut because they are in Turkey. From what I also understand , a lot of the difference in price is that labor costs in Italy are higher than in Turkey.. Am I wrong?

[@fullchoke01]

Yildiz own majority of walnut groves in Turkey, so paying nothing for wood, cheaper labour costs, and probably selling the guns for minimal profit, similar to how audi sells lambos for cost price etc, like you said same materials, machined on same cnc machines to exact same pattern, and from hat info ia out there the yildiz has silver soldered barrel sets which should be an improvement on perazzi soft solder technique. Higher labour costs and pay for the name, i'd say its easier to ask how is the perazzi worth 10x the yildiz

[@07mickd]

so what was the price of each gun ? top of the range to a med price gun? or even low price gun?

[@tgsoutdoors]

About £13k vs £2.2k

[@DFox-ud3gx]

I enjoyed watching you two gentlemen working Lloyd your gun looks priceless but the other gun had some good wood maybe for a beginner or level one shooter maybe.

[@petyt8]

Random question johny but what cartridge was you shooting with in this video?

[@tgsoutdoors]

A mix of Hull Comp-X and some RC2’s

[@jdurtschi]

I keep hearing the comments from almost every review of the Yildiz; as a copy of the Perazzi - which is actually inaccurate. Both the Yildiz and the Perazzi are copies of the Boss action.

[@tgsoutdoors]

Precisely, they are all fake boss’

[@paulsherrod1365]

Is Barrett maid by perriza?

[@Plainsimple67]

TWO YEARS TOO LATE TO THIS VIDEO,I JUST BOUGHT TWO USED PERAZZIS FROM THE 80'S AND 90'S FOR $5500.00. ONE WITH SELECT BARREL TRIGGER IN 95% CONDITION MIRAGE CASE COLLAR HARDENED RECEIVER AND REMOVABLE CHOKES, BOTH IN ORIGINAL CASES!!

[@davedunn7759]

Lloyds expression after that first pair was priceless; happiness, pride, arrogance & “f*ck you Johnny!” all at once. 👍🏻🇨🇦

[@tgsoutdoors]

😂 👏

[@gardetto265]

So, enough of these lame shotguns ok? I live in America and I was ok with the bias on local guns here, that is until... I bought an ARAMBERRI STAR GAUGE SPANISH SIDE BY SIDE. Amazing gun, amazing

[@timgazes5909]

Too much fun is good for you,

[@bentleyfatheree1616]

Ask the same question 5 yrs & 50 to 75000 rds later

[@TheNgp90]

Is the TGS gun a yildiz and do they sell that model in America

[@tgsoutdoors]

It was built by Yildiz for us back when we were with the shop. The spec was brilliant but we only built 12. The second batch we’re going to have an unviable price increase so we only ever did 12 😞

[@ontarget1312]

Would love to ha e the option to get those Yildiz in the USA 🇺🇸

[@daveholmes6407]

You can. Larry Friedman and Target Shotguns have them in stock. There are probably other dealers as well.

[@celsofurtadodemendonca3567]

What is the Yldiz model tested?

[@individual116]

It's the TGS gun. It's a Yildiz Pro that was made for TGS. In the States its called Prostar by Yildiz.

[@markfarrow823]

Was that filmed @"Orston" ??

[@lloydyp]

yes

[@errisgloshfan]

An AYA copy of a Holland & Holland is an AYA copy of a Holland & Holland. It will look good even feel good and even shoot good but it’s not a Holland & Holland. Perazzi has been copied by AYA, Kemen and others but where are they now, repaired stocks etc.

[@219garry]

Just buy Tesla stock now and in 10 yrs you can upgrade that to a Perazzi to a Fabbri

[@the45er]

I love this channel. Best on KZbin in it class. However, as a Perazzi MX-8 owner since 2006, I am still waiting for someone to really explain why "a Perazzi is a Perazzi" and the Yildiz "just is not". Assumptions that the quality in a Yildiz is "just not there" are just that, assumptions. They may be right, but when is a REAL REVIEW going to give the detail that backs this statement up? I haven't seen it. One might ASSUME that a $16,000 Perazzi is of higher quality than a $5000 Yildiz, but that is an assumption. I'll tell you this, the wood on m 2006 Perazzi was, shall we say, plain. Furthermore, I shot 26,000 round of light loads through it over 10 years and although I cleaned and lubed it quite often, it needed to be tightened up as the action had become more loose than it should have. I've seen Brownings and Berettas go 50,000 to 75,000 rounds before they needed such work. So I'm left asking myself, how can Perazzi cost $10,000 more that a Yildiz Pro and claim there's that much difference. Waiting for a VALID answer, not an opinion.

[@tgsoutdoors]

I would love to do this test, but I fear I may destroy my Yildiz and Perazzi in the process.

[@daveholmes6407]

A detailed look, inside and out, of the Yildiz ProStar: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3eTcmZ9r5aWl7c

[@Jolly56Roger]

Just get a browning X S 😉

[@kingmarwal6799]

Can you delever to india also

[@speedytoo]

Not even comparable, one is the original built in the shotgun capitol of the world, the other is clone made by a substandard company in a region known for junk shotguns.

[@kvaratst77]

Balance and trigger??? Can not believe that it will be the same there, and those two things make you hit your targets better. It is same like Beretta vs ATA, ATA Sporter is the best value for money, but it is still not Beretta in terms of balance handling and trigger.... Perazzi triggers are the best, can not believe Yldiz could achieve that on CNC ;-)))

[@fullchoke01]

The yildiz balanaces near neutral. Trigger is very good- runs off coils so pulls aren't as crisp as most p guns but it is still very good trigger. Have shot an mx8 and pro side by side number of times and honestly they are much of a muchness to shoot. P guns obviously can be made to suit which is where they win. it is not like 686 vs ata as an ata is a gun made to look like a 686 and shares some design patterns. The pro is as near as it an mx12, for the money it is unbeatable. 10k vs 1.6k with basically identical engineering, the pro will never be a p gun and as lloyd says people will never not buy a p gun for one.

[@kvaratst77]

​@@fullchoke01 hi. thanx for your reply. Balance to me is not a neutral on pin only, actually it is overall balance.. length

[@fullchoke01]

@@kvaratst77 i understand what you mean but length/ swing balance is more down to the persons physical dimensions to how thats percieved. A gun is static the persons height, arm length, neck length face shape, muscle/fat mass , hand size dictate how the gun balances end to end

[@jasonbeary5771]

The action that Perazzi uses is how old? It's not cutting-edge. Modern machining is rediculously good and intrest rates (in AMerica, at least) are basically zero, making up-dating factories not as expensive. We know hot to mill a good O/U stock. The more accurate and precisely the monoblock, recievers and barrels are made, the easier it is to regulate the pattern. So I don't see why a faithful copy, when made with the right intent, couldn't put much more expensive guns to shame. (for their cost, at least) It won't stroke your ego as much, though.

[@jeanmorin3247]

The real difference is the crowd you hang with. The social selection process is through trademark branding. You want to belong or not?

[@bartram33]

I think people appreciate pedigree.

[@pistoleer3572]

Yildiz forend dosen't look right ie looks cheap compared to the Perazzi

[@Jolly56Roger]

I hate the Palazzi forend looks like Baikal!

[@erenemin6277]

Not the greatest review, two different guns made by two different companies, refeering to one as a knock off or a copy isnt great.

[@The69bombero]

I would sell both and buy a Browning, then go hunting.