Milwaukee 8 PROBLEMS 2018

The Milwaukee 8 engine came out in Harley Davidson Touring models in 2017. Now that it's also in the 2018 Softails, what are the problems??? The internet has asked, and I will answer! This is some of the issues that I've seen come from the newest engine that HD has put out!
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[@gregtyler8155]

I was in Laconia for bike week 2019. Had an issue with my '17 Limited. Had no idea John would be the one looking at my bike. Great guy, took care of me really quickly and was awesome to talk with. I just wanted to thank you, John, for being there and taking care of my situation. Many thanks brother! Wish you great success in all you do! Greg

[@TheHarleyTech]

Thanks Greg!

[@paulhd9535]

Just lived the oil transfer issue on my FLHTK 2019. In just about 500 miles, it had transferred about a quart of Formula 80W oil. Nothing broken, no catastrophic failures. When I became aware of the issue, I was on a road trip. Stopped at O’Tools Wurtsboro NY where a very friendly tech advisor understood exactly what was happening. Offered to repair in next few hours as they had the fix kit in stock but I was limited in time. Quick solution was to empty excess in an aluminium cooking pan from the derby cover and refill trans at hotel. Upon return home, went to my dealer who knew of the issue at hand.They had the bulletin notice and the repair kit to resolve. A couple hour later bike was fixed. 750 miles later, all is good and the oil level hasn’t dropped one drop. Conclusion, their is a fix and it works well. Just a note to say both dealers assured me it’s not a recall as not every bike will have this issue. You can have 100 bikes built in a row and only a few could have this issue, hence why it’s not a recall but a service bulletin I was told. Hey, sh*t happens.

[@jayriegler8105]

OTOOLES ARE GOOD PEOPLE !!!!!!

[@harleyquebecenrevue3580]

@@jmc2567 Hey, it’s part of the Harley experience ! How else would they get you to visit the showroom ? In this perfect world where no other brands of motorcycles have recalls or service issues, it leaves Harley to stand out from the rest. The joy and pleasure a Harley provides is far outweighed with the technical issues that occur with Harley . Own one and find out. Big hello from Canada.

[@joesjunkgarage]

John, I’ve been a Motorcycle owner for over fifty years. Been tinkering with anything mechanical from trains, planes and automobiles for just a little longer. I do not watch many videos from people giving mechanical advice, as I have found many to be misinformed! I do really appreciate you taking the time to produce these straight forward, knowledgeable, and very informative videos! I’ve enjoyed your channel. Thank you!

[@crabhab]

I’m glad I sumping is not an issue with normal 107 and 114 engines. Reading HD forums would make you think it’s widespread. Thanks for clarification

[@yungoldhead5600]

Im a technician at valley forge harley davison and i think u make awesome videos John! Keep up the good work !

[@kimclarkson7129]

If only all techs were as honest, knowledgeable and competent as you. Let alone actually cared about their work.

[@gerrymiller7401]

Still driving my '17 Ultra Limited 3 years down the road and 50K miles later. Runs like a charm and never had a single issue with it. Took it in this spring and bumped it up to the 128CI with a Woods cam and she outruns most I've come across. We'll see how she's doing another 3 years down the road.

[@1320Exotic]

I have an 18 Road Glide Special w/ M8, Love it and have had zero issues, right at 8500 miles, in 10 months. Only Harley I've purchased new, Best Harley I've ever owned. Great Video, Keep On Keepin On.

[@davidson2004fatboy]

Beetle Mann YEAH ! It's STILL NEW ! GIVE it SOME TIME Beetle Juice

[@jimwortham8634]

You should have absolutely no problem with any bike 10000 miles get a life

[@jerrysetlerr770]

Not to be pessimistic but there is still a lot of time for shit to go wrong.

[@dustoffmedic71]

jim wortham well other people have posted problems before their first 1,000 miles. If there is a defect that is going to cause fluid transfer he would have seen it by now

[@MattLaidlaw]

John. You’re the man. Thank you for putting this video out. I’m going to refer people to it. I get the oil pump question a lot and the oil transfer question a lot. People don’t realize that even if there is a little oil transfer from the transmission to the primary that it’s such a small amount that it won’t do anything. Especially if you’re servicing your bike according to the intervals specified by H-D. The bikes that do have a problem represent less than 1% of the M8s on the road. I look forward to seeing you at the dealer show this year. I LOVE MY Milwaukee 8. Sell that sporty and get one!

[@lakegeneva4851]

Hey John and Matt, great video John! Two questions for both of you. 1) will you be covering the show live like last year? Apparently it will be interesting :-) and 2) I have done 16'000 miles with my 2017 M8 RKS in a year and am wondering if it is worth doing a stage 2 cam upgrade (for torque as I like torque) at 20'000 and if I should also upgrade the clutch basket at the same time?

[@TheHarleyTech]

Thanks Matt! I’m getting super excited about the dealer show, for sure!

[@TheHarleyTech]

I’m will not be doing a live feed, and the torque cam question should be coming up in a video soon. It’s a lot of info to type! It’s not as simple as yay or nay!

[@lakegeneva4851]

John Maxwell cool looking forward to it!!

[@collincratty8777]

I watched Matt’s live stream for the reveal of the M8 softails. It was an awesome show!

[@jdcastillocastillo3492]

I've been an HD tech for a long time , 35 plus years this is just the latest "public freak out " over just everyday minor things .Well done ,keep up the good work

[@IrishBOBSister]

Hey - that's my bike!! I have #855 of the 115th Anniversary Heritage Softail. Absolutely LOVE IT!!!! Thanks for sharing your thoughts - always appreciated 😁

[@grimmjackk]

2017 SGS - Mine has a Stage IV, oil cooled. My dealer put in the updated oil pump as a part of the Stage IV at no additional cost. Just had my 15k service done... 5k miles on the Stage IV, no issues. Love the bike.

[@samspade239]

My fluid was low. So I bought a 6 pack of Stella and I’m happy to report all is good!!

[@bearfarmer]

Harley doesn't have recalls, but they will sell you an update kit! I'll keep my old iron.

[@TheTrtrapper]

im still on my 95 evo no issues, just get on and ride, ride, and ride

[@bearfarmer]

@@TheTrtrapper 96 evo springer! Been all over the west!

[@Elwinator3]

Not true I had a recall a few months ago. Brake related and they had to order a kit. Done by the shop No Charge.

[@neveenmoon7427]

06 88 twin cam here

[@David-og7di]

95 FXD 25year old bike that i can work on and trust to be going for as long as i can get parts

[@vincent7331]

That was one of the first things that I learned back when I was tooling around on my 73 Shovelhead Stroker, was to keep oil to the bottom of the clutch basket gear, I had a closed primary case.

[@scootlights503]

Thanks you for posting this video. I have a 2017 Road Glide Special with a Stage 3 Upgrade, I have put over 6K miles, no issues whatsoever. I drive the bike every single day year round. Harley did an awesome job with the M8 I’m very happy.

[@fredhurderjr1137]

Appreciate your time & energy in putting out the vids, John. After a '93 1100 Shadow, '12 Triumph Thunderbird 1600, I picked up my first HD - an '18 M8 107 FLTRU on 4/30/18. I put the 4" Rineharts on last month, and In 2 weeks she's going in for 5k service / HD S2 Tq cam, / high flow air cleaner & tuner. I've been watching the fluids since seeing your (and others' ) vids. No issues thus far. Thanks again & keep them coming!

[@Ian-bq7gp]

The triumph 1600 t bird is the nicest bike and most comfortable ive ever ridden. 17000 miles on it 2011 and truely like new, no rust and great quality finish. Theyre a steal and my mate paid £5500 secondhand. HD evo money and thats not mint. I do however prefer these to later motors but time and mileage and the biker telephone will come out with long term truth

[@fredhurderjr1137]

Follow up on the '18 FLTRU... 47k miles now, did end up with some fluid transfer after... 10-15k I believe. They did the crank breather update which helped mine. Great bike with minimal issues over these few years. Triumph 1600 was a fantastic bike with a lot of character. Conversation bike at every stop... "I used to have a..." kind of bike. The FLTRU has been WAY more comfortable though with the heated hammock & rider backrest, heated grips, etc. She's sitting in the front yard with a sale sign on her as I don't ride as much anymore (work + farm life). I do not like the trajectory of the newer bikes (digital dash etc) and will likely go old school kickover for the next one, for short hops.

[@Ekshaggy]

Just bought a 2019 Street Glide. Originally went to the dealer to test a 2016 SGS, nice but then asked to take out a M8 to compare. I was sold on the 2019 SG before the ride was halfway through.

[@crapseven]

As someone who rebuilds small and big blocks and who has owned an EVO, sold it years back and am now researching HD's and Indians, let me tell you it is honest to goodness stuff like this that you put out that does more to educate the layman than anything else could. You certainly are not going to hear any of this from the salesman. Your honest and integrity is much appreciated.

[@jasonmckinney6444]

Well just FYI I had a 2018 road king special that had the transfer issue. I heard about the problem from the H-D forums so I decided to check mine. I had 480 miles on the bike at the time and barely had any fluid on the tip of the dipstick. Took it to the dealer and of course they told me what you said and to drive it for 1000 miles and recheck. So I was going to do my 1000 miles service so that was 520 since last checked the tranny fluid. So I decided to check all the fluids before servicing. The transmission dipstick was completely dry. Dealer came and picked up the bike and after they looked it over and measured the ounces they told me it actually transferred 11 or 15 ounces in that 520 miles. So pretty bad I think. Of course the MOCO was stalling and they didnt want to fix it. So the dealer set all my fluids where they were supposed to be and gave me the 1000 mile service for free. Told me to keep riding it and checking the fluids regularly and adjust when needed. So I’m thinking I can’t go on long rides like I want to because every 400-500 miles I would have to drain and refill the primary and transmission until the MOCO decides to fix it if ever. So I was mad enough and tired of it and knew not all bikes were affected. So I took a chance and traded that bike at another Harley dealership on a new road glide ultra. It now has 2500 miles and not a single ounce has been transferred with this bike. I think I lucked out. But I believe the MOCO has tolerance issues with several of these bikes maybe just between a certain time frame at the factory. The new seals I’ve heard of being replaced didn’t work for anyone. Harley hasn’t replaced any transmissions yet that I’ve heard of. Probably why you see so many 2017 and 2018 bikes with very low mileage have already been traded back in or for sale. Sorry for the long comment.

[@TheHarleyTech]

I’m glad you let me know! That’s crazy that it never even got fixed. Glad you ended up with something better!

[@jasonmckinney6444]

John Maxwell thanks man! Hopefully my comment will help someone else. I say stay away from used low mileage 2017 and 2018 m8 bikes.

[@tetlow2]

Well that sucks for the guy who buys it next. Hope that guy checks his shit and gets it fixed.

[@redrider0151]

Thats extremely hard to do.....as the used bikes most people want are the ones where someone bought a Harley but didnt really ride it...thats the "sweet spot" with Harleys...guys who think they can buy a Harley and it will suddenly make them "cool" so you can get a barely used bike at a huge discount...and this is a HUGE market. IF the issue is affecting less than 1 percent, as John stated, then its also only affecting 1% of the used/traded in market also...well maybe more if there was a predominant amount traded in due to the issue. IF you have an honest dealer, there should be a maintenance history available for the bike if it was serviced by Harley and was turned down warranty coverage (if you are getting it from a dealer). But even so, if you get one that has this seepage issue, its still hardly a catastrophic type issue, provided you check your fluids every 1000 miles or so?? You are saying you wouldnt take a long trip because of it?? I dont understand why? If I was on a 1000 mile trip, I absolutely would be checking my fluids every 2-3 gas stops, and if any were significantly low I would be adding more fluid? Granted, if its the primary that is low, I cant really check that, but if I know the issue is primary fluid seaping into transmission (the issue is opposite of this) I would then see additional fluid in the transmission and would know that there could be an issue. None of these problems would even remotely change the way I ride as none are going to "blowup" my motor as long as I do routine maintenance and keep an eye on things as I always do anyhow.....the issue is being somewhat overblown because of the internet. You can make 10,000 perfect motors but if 1 of them has issues, thats the one that you will see mentioned in every motorcycle forum on the planet....int he big picture this is nowhere near as bad as people are stating. Please dont take this post as a "dig" brother...its not meant that way...and congrats on your new bike.

[@jasonmckinney6444]

RedRider0151 guess you missed the part where I said every 400-500 miles I would have to do the fluid changes in the transmission and primary. Because the transmission transferred 11-15 ounces in 520 miles. For one that will get expensive. Also who wants to be bothered with trying to do a roadside fluid change while out. Also I do my own services so I wouldn’t stop into another Harley dealer a pay them what they want for service work that’s big money. If you would be happy having this problem and making payment on in my case a brand new $24,000.00 bike than by all means you go for it. I’ve had other new Harley’s that didn’t have any problems and that’s the way I like it. But if you want to spend all that money on a bike and have to go through all that hassle then you do it it’s your life and your money do it how you see fit.

[@maxjackson2523]

Good Buisness. great video. I'm a 28 year tech and enjoy well put together informative videos. thanks bud.

[@WoodyRides]

Only because I love this channel did I just set through a 5 minute ad right in the middle of this video that I could’ve skipped. John you the man. Also I’m test riding the 2018 street bob Friday!!!!!!!

[@keystonerider1308]

it doesn't get them anymore money than skipping it. Only way they don't get the add revenue is if you have an add blocker on your browser.

[@TheHarleyTech]

Yea man, you can skip it, I’m not mad!

[@WoodyRides]

John Maxwell to late know. I already suffered through it. 😢

[@HellfighterPreacherman]

Under warrantee I have had the headlight replaced, rear head gasket replaced, clutch recall fixed, voltage regulator replaced and the vent put in the transmission to stop the fluid migration and the levers for the faring doors replaced. I put a lot of miles on, love the engine, but really glad for the no questions asked warrantee.

[@mdoehrman]

I am a visual learner and that was an excellent explanation of a transmission. Thank you for your time and efforts.

[@JasonThe_13th]

I personally asked John most of these questions myself back in April when I was considering trading my old Triumph for a new FLHRXS. I got the same answers privately from him as hes giving you guys here. Everyones experiences are different, but my bike has been trouble free so far, and I personally couldn't be happier switching from the Speed Triple to the Harley. At the end of the day, thats what warranty is for :) Thanks for the video, John!

[@TheHarleyTech]

Glad you enjoyed Jason!

[@tms372]

I'm and old time Harley guy but after many problems with bikes and Harley I traded my Street Glide for a Triumph Storm, I'll never go back to that junk.

[@kenolson3072]

Good luck with the warranty, tired of Harley bull , my new chieftain smoked a street glide, and a ultra

[@richardwilliamson6061]

Hey John, great video. I tend to watch Matt's dealer show videos every year and he mentioned you. No idea who you were.... I laughed out loud multiple times watching your videos. Plus I learned what "sumping" is. I know my tech would always roll his eyes if I started a conversation with "I saw this on the internet". I trust my tech with my life since yes I am on two wheels so he would always take the time to explain what was really going on and take good care of me. Anyway you seem like a very trustworthy person which is high praise. Good job, you have a new subscriber!

[@izzy412izzy412]

Thanks for the video. I was one of the lucky ones to have an oil pump failure. The first question they asked if I have a stage four done. No it's stock except for slip ons. 2017 ultra limited. The problem occurred at 12k miles. I pulled in on Sunday afternoon and had my bike back Monday night

[@jimengelmann7648]

I have a 17 road king with the m8 and I love it. If you get the chance to own one don't pass it up. They are awesome motors. Thanks for the knowledge John!

[@randyhutchinson9910]

I'm actually excited about the M 8, I'm looking forward to having one, just got my RoadKing fully serviced , now ,back to Texas from Charlotte NC, a good ride

[@rttombstone9207]

Just stumbled across your channel and as a old scooter tramp(50yrs) I think this is one of the best i;ve seen on yt, Great training visuals and explanations on the bikes. Just like sitting down with my bro, drinking a beer and bsing. I'm starting a marathon watching today. Thx.

[@CbusLowRider]

Just shared this in a huge Road Glide forum where the Milwaukee 8 seems to get these hyped up “horror” stories about the sumping issue. I have 7,000 miles on mine so far, problem free. And a few of my friends have M8 bikes and love theirs as well. I am very impressed with the new engine and have no regrets at all from trading in a twin cam bike for it. Great video 🤘

[@ericnuernberg3901]

I just made an appointment with the Harley dealership about 12 hours ago to have my rocker box gasket replaced under warranty. And I’m just watching your video now, kind of ironic. Thanks for the info!👍🍺 heritage classic 2020 114

[@TeamKhandiKhane]

Was silently, patiently waiting for you to cover this at some point. Thank you John.

[@collincratty8777]

You and Matt Laidlaw are my go to Harley guys!

[@pacopetepnw3434]

Agreed. You might check out Kevin, at MCRIDER. He puts out great MC 101 that can be a very good technique reminder for experienced riders. I have been riding for a solid 42 years...we all can develop bad habits.. Cheers! Rubber on the bottom

[@collincratty8777]

pete maffei I will definitely check him out, thanks!

[@lizzard8785]

Same

[@dennism103]

Yea those are good guys for sure...

[@DrumCoversbyBill]

Got 1600 miles on my M8 and I love it. The hard candy chameleon flake had me hooked at first sight. Love your channel thanks for all the great info you provide!

[@leeanthony9495]

nicely done. refreshing to hear from a guy that actually wrenches on the bikes. I remember all the negative hype about the 96" motor mine has performed flawlessly since 2007.

[@jonchrzanowski725]

Dude I love your freaking facial expressions... classic. I've had my M8 for a little over a month now and loving every minute. Also a side note I actually had never heard of any of these problems and I saw the video title and got slightly nervous then watched the video and my conclusion is the interwebs will be the interwebs thanks for the info bud much appreciated.

[@JuckFoeBurden]

Covered under warranty, never heard that in a Harley service department, only in sales.

[@REDMAN298]

Yeah that. Dealers are between a rock and a hard place: they have to kiss the consumers ass (which they see 2 or 3 times ) and then they have to kiss hd`s ass at least once a month. The dealers have to keep hd happy or they don`t get any bikes. hd are a/holes. I have bought 6 new hd`s ,in my time, and now have a used `90 Springer. Just don`t like the way they cheapen up on bearings. I.E.: cam,crank,primary bearings. WTF??

[@tamirobson8026]

I've had it in for service at least 4 * but they won't acknowledge that the service is for heat concerns in addition to adding a different seat or putting on side bags or the noise that continues coming from the rear brake area. Which hasn't been corrected yet either.

[@VeritasEtAequitas]

@@REDMAN298 press fit cranks, time bomb timing chains. Junk designed to last just long enough. Not as bad as VW got for planned obsolescence, but it's BS

[@REDMAN298]

@@VeritasEtAequitas :let`s not even start on the automatic primary chain adjuster. Had one hold the chain so tight that the clutch basket teeth cut into the inner primary. Got out of that bike fast. Shoved it back into the dealer`s hands by trading it.

[@gregorytimmons4777]

@@VeritasEtAequitas Huh? VW? The company that sticks with a design just about forever? That's the opposite of planned obsolescence.

[@aquinodavid76]

I have a 2017 Road glide ultra. It has sumped 3 times already. Twice as stock 107, once as 107 stage 4. I hope that with new short block and updated oil pump cover this issue will finally get resolved.

[@joestallbaum1593]

Just a comment on the new bikes, the problem is that when a customer takes their $32000 motorcycle to a dealer with what they feel is a problem, and the dealer says “that’s normal, it isn’t a problem we’re aware of”, then they talk to others who have the same problem. Low and behold several months later Harley-Davidson admits it and comes up with a fix. I personally know a guy with the leaky valve seat problem, and it took months to get it fixed, and this was on a brand new bike. Not everyone is an HD mechanic, most of us have to rely on our dealership for answers and when those answers are lies, it gets very frustrating!!!

[@murfdog144]

Thanks John! I appreciate the knowledge. Especially since my first Harley is an M8. Keep’em coming!

[@alacharger]

Thanks for the info. Love my Milwaukee 8 in my '17 Road King!

[@harleyquebecenrevue3580]

I had the oil transfer issue shortly after purchasing my new FLHTK Ultra 2019. The problem was identified in the first 4000 miles and fixed under warranty just like John described. 4 years and 25,000 miles later I want to report I haven’t had any issues since the fix and both oil levels are always right on level.

[@dougm2681]

Thats a good line of work! Nothing falls apart and needs endless rebuilds like a harley!

[@jimwortham8634]

This sounds like a smart man

[@harleydude-xo8pu]

Thanks for letting me know to stick with the 103 motor bikes.

[@semajniffirg230]

And the 96. The 96 and 103 are great engines.

[@Mr7ender]

I've bougt a brand new M8 SGS 114" bj 2019 , in which "the oil transfer issue" occured ( and another member of our HD club has bought last year a M8 RK 107" bj 2018 , which is infected with that same "issue" as well .) ...so please don't try to convince us that it is just "rare" , because it is not. Both of the bikes are under warrenty , and get an approved "fix" at the dealer ( but it is no guarantee that it will solve the problem for 100% ) , So if it does , I'll let you know here .

[@Crustacean_the_soup]

I have a couple month old ‘19 streetbob 107 your scaring me bro

[@lenjames]

Had my 2019 RK Special transfer fixed and after 6k miles no transfer. As a matter of fact all new builds as of 5/19 has this installed from the factory. Only thing my bike is doing now is blowing blue smoke now at start up....shit motor. Thank goodness I still have my twin cam bikes in the barn.

[@juanrramirez6222]

Was thinking of getting a Heritage 114 now I'm getting second thoughts.

[@TheHarleyTech]

Since this video was released, I bought a 114 heritage. No issues, and I love it.

[@juanrramirez6222]

@@TheHarleyTech I'm still thinking of getting it but going to wait a little longer for that move that test ride got me I actually fell in love with it and the wife is on board for me to get it. I'm actually glad to hear that that's the bike you got. 😎👌🏽

[@ericsharrock5844]

Great video John. I bought my 2019 FLTRX on 4/6/19 had the 1000 mile service done at dealership at 991 miles and I verified oil levels before leaving dealership and all was good. Today 5/9/19 at 1850 miles checked transmission dipstick and it was dry. Added 10 ounces to bring to halfway mark on dipstick. Back to dealership tomorrow. I had hoped they would have this fixed by 2019 models. My bikes build date was 3/19/19 so it appears Harley Davidson has done nothing to fix this. Too bad as otherwise it's a great motorcycle.

[@lenjames]

Same here on my 2019 Road King Special. My dealer tells me they have a fix. I told him why would anything have to be fixed. This motor is plagued with problems. My bike now sits in the garage and I'm back riding my to other Twin Cam 110s...sad news

[@katelyntiuseco2386]

Hey john,have a twin cooled 2017 ultra limited m8 with stage 1 and 2.I too had sumping problem at around 12,500 miles(loss of power).took to dealership to fix,they found scoring in jugs and replaced jugs and pistons and oil pump.its not just a problem with stage 4 motors.bike runs great since fixed.love the bike!Harleys forever!!!!!!

[@neilbrown82]

That's why you never buy the first year of anything the bugs aren't worked out yet...

[@b.chuchlucious5471]

Exactly. Never fly the 'A' model of anything.

[@peteallen82]

Neil Brown Buy Japanese. Why don't people learn.

[@JN-mk2fh]

@@peteallen82 Some people like heritage and soul.

[@khakimzhanmiras]

@@peteallen82 Japanese are no better and the rule still applies.

[@45ACP11911]

There’s never a shortage of insecure, self-absorbed assholes who just have to have the first and the newest of whatever comes out.

[@Dinoxt12]

Sorry to say being a Harley owner myself on my 4th... that Harley Fumble the Ball on this M8 engine...seeing how there sales have are down, this engine should have been...Bullet Proof...and as for Warranty , who wants there new bike in the shop all the time, it takes the trusting of the bike wright out the window...that's part of the reason why you purchase a new bike...Go Figure

[@dustoffmedic71]

My M8 has been flawless. Not a single issue and I ride it daily and I ride it hard

[@tmar0075]

Well I'll add my 2 cents. Had a trans primary transfer. ..brought it to one dealer said that the whining noise was from a backlash gear..even tho I ck the trans dipstick... did a complete fluid service..road 200 miles..drained trans fluid in a measuring cup..14 oz...okay call me crazy but that's a little more than there 5oz. acceptable range line..then they did a reservice. Same scenario..got tired of it..went back to Indian..no issues..2nd one..all good..well made!!..by the way I have 92' evo 37k ..no problems with transfer..go figure

[@jimgroner4488]

I agree. For what I paid, my bike should have been unquestionably pristine.

[@almilani4300]

I have a 2019 Freewheeler with the M-8 engine. You are talking out of your ass. The M- 8 is the finest engine ever to go on a Harley. I run the shit out of mine and not a drop of oil anywhere. !

[@mileswagman8923]

Thanks for the video brother. Been in a road glide group on Facebook after buying my 18 rgs and I’ve been nothing but nervous thinking this is going to happen to my bike. Much appreciated

[@charleslemon9840]

Did this oil migration happen to you?

[@unwrangler11]

Thanks for clearing the air about Milwaukee 8’s, I have a ‘19 FXLR and it’s great!

[@garyc9030]

John, one of your best videos to date brother. Use of visual aides added a lot. Thanks and keep it coming. I have a 2013 CVO Roadglide and a 2018 Slim with a stage 4 kit. Quite a bite a difference in the feel between the two motors. Still love my twin cam. The 8 is so smooth. Good info in this video... now I know a few things to look for on my Slim. What bike are you going to get with the M8 ?

[@ronaldcolwell4786]

Gary C has

[@clarkbabin9799]

Rains like that in South Louisiana. Matt Laidlaw did a video with one of his employees who had an issue with the oil pump. Went through the issue and what was done to fix it

Thank you for this video. I avoided it at first, bought a M8 two days ago. This info is a great comfort.

[@TheDyes]

Bought my first HD last November - 2017 Ultra Limited. 9k miles so far and nothing but grins. I just did a Stage 1 myself with the SEPST, ventilator ac, and a set of Cobra 909 pipes. Left the cat in place. Nice little bump in power and great intake sound now. There is very little about this bike I don’t love.

[@Sbbrubles]

Greetings from Brazil! Big fan here. Keep up the excelent work!

[@chriss42691]

Sorry John I have a 2019 street glide. Just did my 1k service and discovered that my transmission was almost dry maybe 8 to 10 oz of fluid in it. Removed the derby cover and oil was pouring out. To say the least it is very upsetting.

[@lenjames]

Please get the new vent hose that Harley will install as a warranty item. My 2019 RK Special had it done at 650 miles and now I'm on 6700 miles with no transfer. These are now installed on all touring models after a May 2019 build date. It's a small vent hose that's installed on the back side of the primary...ride on

[@pnw_bagger8915]

Great Video John ! Myself owning a M8, this video is reassuring that the internet isn't always true with what they say lol.

[@johncobb6070]

John love your channel i have a 2017 cvo street glide i was wondering why they quit making the new cvo's liquid cooled thanks for the professional and helpful stuff you put out there for us bikers

[@TheHarleyTech]

That’s a good question. Way above my pay grade, though!

[@0321ReconMan]

Wish they would have just built on the V-rod engine and redesigned the chassis....

[@jackcook4772]

Best Harley ever, no primary , water cooled no vibration . It was a red head step child. Smooth, powerful but it had one problem. It did not sound like a Harley. Developed by Porsche, it was no crotch rocket but it was a definite Improvement on the basic design.....

[@BloodPlusPwn]

@@jackcook4772 I had a v-rod and I loved it (I have a gen 2 vmax now, so you really don't need to talk to me about performance). "Improvement" however is a subjective take on it. It very much feels "clinical" when compared to a more traditional Harley and it's no faster than modern M8's that are designed to perform. The only real advantage it had in the performance world was that it was water cooled and didn't use pushrods, but in reality who's riding these bikes to beat 600 super sports off the line? A Harley is fast enough to hot rod around and get you down the road, but a more traditional Harley is a thousand times cooler even if it takes it a little bit longer to do it. It's not all about performance, and people ALWAYS go right there when talking about how Harley's "suck". Well, mister, maybe they aren't for you? I'm sure people sell stuff that is. People need to learn where their opinion ends and objectivity begins.

[@arkindomino]

M8s seem awesome. My next bike will be a new road king with the M8.

[@billbalyx8799]

have a 2018 road glide ultra with 38,000kms. took across Canada last year no issues at all ran perfect, longest day 1120 kms at 120kph avg. speed. I did have the oil pump upgraded right after I bought it as my riding bud had issues with his 2017....great bike, great motor

[@TheStratfanatic]

Just did a 6K trip on my Street Glide Special. Went to Sturgis, Montana, and Wyoming camping and fishing too. No trouble except a spring in the hand grip for the clutch went south and I couldn't start my bike in gear even with the clutch pulled in. fixed at the dealership on warranty and good to go. Love this bike and when the speed limit went to 80 Yeah I cruised at 90. It was smooth sailing and the ride was great. planning for next year now...

[@flounderwetspot8524]

Stoked to hear your selling the sportster and shooting for an M8. The question remains what model???

[@andrewdods2236]

you're ...

[@TTXR6]

Breakout

[@LAroyalprimal]

Stage 4 anything always has problems we had a stage 4 sporty that we couldnt sell cuz it was always breaking down. Stage 1 or stage 2 is as far as i would ever go on my tc96

[@VeritasEtAequitas]

"Stage", lol. That video game Midnight Club Street Racing terminology needs to die a decade ago

[@howardmiller4241]

I haven't had any trouble with mine yet , I took off from St Peter IL and in a day and a half ended up in Roswell NM. Great ride no complaints. (2017 Ultra Limited)

[@steve051968]

I have a 2019 street glide special...1,000 mile service was done by the dealership. At 3,800 miles (yesterday) I decided to change the oils before my trip to Sturgis. So I started with removing the primary derby cover and oil starts pouring out of the primary. I knew there ws an issue. I then pulled the trans dipstick and there was no oil on the dipstick. I drained the primary and refilled with 30oz. When I drained the trans only 9oz drained out. More than obvious oil migration. Called the dealer with luck they are getting me in on July 30th, 1 day before I leave for Sturgis to install a primary vent kit.

[@TheHarleyTech]

I haven’t had any feedback from the vent kit, yet. It seems the 19s are worse off than the 17 and 18s!

[@GaryLordsWayMinistry]

I think I'm switching to Indian 116.

[@gfunk63901]

@Joseph Marton i really liked the indian i rented but so many more service places for harley

[@crapseven]

Just spend a few hours at HD dealer today, told them i was going to check out Indian tomorrow. I like the HD stuff, I guess it's the old school in me but I never once had a problem with my Honda 1800vtx

[@DrDaddy-yg2ki]

@@gfunk63901 many more needs to service. If you dint need it very often you dint need a place every 20 miles

[@hegantetamboktyanak6368]

My mate just got his M8 back after the new oil pump upgrade it's stage 3 it is sumping again after 2 days riding .. looking like harley is going to give him a 2019 engine under warranty to fix the problem

[@ChristosBassCovers]

Don't have HD anymore but still watching. That because you are so legit

[@kennethpaoli521]

Appreciate the knowledge. They are on the 5th generation of oil pump for stake 4. Sumping is huge problem here in Cali. 3 friends have had there motors rebuilt already. Not the twin cooled motor. My dealer has 6 bikes in there shop right now that are blown.

[@qf76mnd15]

17 road glide motor replaced, sumping issues at 25,000. I laugh everytime I hear somebody act like this wasn't a issue before they've changed oil pumps like 4 times since 2017.

[@themothership7614]

Bro I’ve had same problems and it’s still not fixed I’m actually in court over thes issues

[@rarebreed9208]

I've been wrenching on Milwaukee iron for 40yrs and WAS a factory certified technician. When the twin cam came out, I hung it up, because I saw nothing but misery and disappointment ahead for owners and mechanics alike. I've run into a lot of shitheads who thought they were mechanics, but few who really know their shit. This guy seems to be the exception, as he appears to be highly knowledgeable and conscientious about his work. I wouldn't hesitate to let this guy put his hands on any of my machines. Damned good video.

[@TheHarleyTech]

Thanks man. I appreciate that.

[@jamesbare909]

Thanks for that. My dealership replaced a seal in the primary for the oil transfer problem and I’ve had no issues sense. I’m getting ready for my 30k service in 3 weeks and that’s the only issue and it was discovered at my request. They removed the derby cover and fluid came out and transmission was low. Love the bike and your videos 😎

[@justinlash3814]

Love your videos and the way you edit, please don’t ever stop. I have two M8’s both 2017, I commute 30k Miles a year. My first M8 had the oil pump go bad, I was a few blocks from the dealership and rode there. They replaced everything so far no issues again, it was a twin cooled with a stage 3 114”, that was in oct 2016 when they first came out. Worries me they found some metal shavings in the pump, but I wouldn’t trade the bike for anything, I love the motor

[@Lettersandstuff]

So happy with my m8. 10k so far and I’m super happy with the lower heat, the extra power and the suspension is pretty badass

[@Heritagejim5339]

Great info! 4000+ on my FB M8 with no issues! Love my bike! Ride hard or stay home!😎.... thanks transmission guy😂😂🤣

[@jimwortham8634]

Hello 4000 miles is absolutely nothing holler when you get a hundred thousand like most other bikes

[@jimwortham8634]

4000 mile LOL what a freaking joke

[@marvinr5054]

I have a 2002 Softail Duece withTC88 that I bought new in 2001 that has the stage one set-up and I beat the crap out of it every time I take it out of my Garage and I can say that its NEVER broken down Never gone back to the dealer to take care of anything under the extended warranty that I bought for it at the dealer ... what a waist that was. lol. The old TC88,96,103&107 I'd take one any day over the M8.. well till they get the Bugs out of it anyways. Good Job on the video as always John.

[@natemiller1392]

Thanks for doing this video! I just bought a Sport Glide last month and then right afterwards I heard all about the issues the m8 is supposedly having. It's a major relief to hear this. Keep up the good work!

[@TheHarleyTech]

Nice ride! I think it’ll do you well!

[@haywoodyoudome]

Harley Davidson, keeping the total loss oil system alive and well in 2018.

[@civilianarmory4610]

Another great video man, I know what you're saying about the internet and taking things out of proportion and sometimes creating problems that are non-existent. Several years ago Stihl moved fuel injection in their concrete saws but they knew that it would likely get a negative feedback and the people would create a problem where there was none and say that it was no go so instead of hyping up that they were going to fuel injection on these concrete saws they did it very very quietly and didn't say anything didn't advertise it much and before they knew it people were in love with the fuel injector over the old carbureted and they didn't even know it.

[@meteormotorcycle4442]

Great video, recently purchased a slightly used 2016 Ultra Glide from dealer with warrantee, had a check oil light and info showed oil pressure ( as did fault code) turned out to be faulty sensor, which I see can be common on these models. Your explanation definitely clears up the oil pump (non) issue. M-8’s are fantastic, specially compared to my first Harley’s, an old iron head sporty in the 80’s and than a tc 88 in the 2000’s. Thanks for your channel. Keep up the good work and great videos,

[@aaronsenters5842]

A 16 Ultra had a twin cam, not an M8

[@meteormotorcycle4442]

My bad typing, 2017.

[@davidcandito5276]

Love all bikes, started on an ‘85 xl80s, moved to a ‘96 xv535 virago, to a ‘14 ninja 300, and a ‘17 z125. Ridden other bikes too, One of my favorites being a ‘16 victory high ball, modded out to be so fast my ass about slid off the seat in first gear. Talk about torque... went from really desiring a 765 street triple to a z900, z900rs, scout, to a Stryker... but I’m about 95% sure I’m committed to a new softail Low Rider. I don’t like forward controls, the handle bars are just like my old virago (and I loved em) and the bike as a whole is about the sexiest thing I’ve seen. I didn’t think I’d ever pull the trigger on one but It’s about time I bite that bullet and get on an HD. Appreciate the great, informative video!

[@riceburnerbiker1483]

I got a used 2008 Suzuki C90T Boulevard! 9600 miles on it $4200 Wanted a HD. For a 90 hp plus HD used $9K was the best I could find . I love HD, but there not twice the price of a Rice Burner. A 2008 Goldwing was $7.5-8k 1836 cc Something is wrong with HD.... The new Indian bikes The big hogs.... Front tire was $500 plus installation. Buy a new Rice Burner, Save tons of money, and end up with the better ride over all.

[@tenaheffernan1368]

I used to own a Suzuki Boulevard C50. Great bike. Nothing bad to say. However, if anyone thinks they are as nice as the bike they clone Heritage Softail, then they are fooling themselves. I will also say, I find used HDs are relatively more costly than a new one.

[@riceburnerbiker1483]

Tena Heffernan my brother in law has a 2008 HD Heritage soft tail. He bought it new. You would think he would ride it a lot. MAYBE twice a year, were same age.. he’s in better shape then me. I ride his once ever ever three weeks or so. I ride my Suzuki 1500 three times a week or more. The HD is stronger over all. I’m used to the feel of mine. His is ok but he never washes it.. that’s what I’m for I guess.lol. I’m addicted to riding. I love a cool crisp sun up on a Sunday morning. I ride to either Galveston island or downtown Houston. See everything with no traffic... I ride to lake Charles Louisiana to gamble. Texas is scared of gambling and pot. The religious would lose a lot of free money if they legalized fun in Texas. I got my first bike license at 15 for a Honda XL 100 In 1976..👁👁

[@Exodia72]

I own a 2018 fatboy 114 version....i have had absolutely no issues with it in any way shape or form. No issues at all. Even had the stage 1 put on it. Solid Bike! Love your videos. You going to Sturgis this year?

[@KWN-Cards]

JFYI......114 is called an S model.

[@LoudValves]

"it's not as big of a concern as the internet may have you believe ..." words to live by ...

[@aarondeere]

Great video. Had the rocker seal leak happen on my 2018 heritage with around 5k miles. It was a October build so guess that would be considered an early build. Warranty covered....in and out.....no big deal. Keep the videos coming. Love them.

[@mikeessary7691]

Appreciate the knowledge my Sumatra brother.

[@MainMan661oac]

Great video and I watch all your videos plus I'm buying a M8 but I'm waiting for the new blue coming out on the street glide special. Amazing video I tell all my Harley friends about your videos.

[@mikemattiza7019]

Enjoyed this video. I purchased a 2017 FLTRU in Sep. 17 have 25K. Have not had any problems. Have a friend bought a 2018 FLTRU and has had issues. It was stock 107 and he had them put the stage 4 kit in it. First he had a bad crank sensor. Then the oil pump problem you talked about loosing power. They fixed all with warranty. Now has has a valve spring break and they are trying to figure why all the problems. Probably going to put in anew engine.

[@tamirobson8026]

On both engine guards on the right and left side of the motorcycle, it reaches over 750 degrees. I may find that it reaches a higher temp, but I used 750 degrees as a starting point. Unfortunately it is right where your knees/legs are. After a short ride, under 20 miles, the engine does not cool down to ambient temperatures within 2 and 1/2 hours. The exhaust has a slip on but that modification didn't create the Heat. It was there before I put that on.

[@gaddy8964]

Thanks for sharing this....seeing that you and Matt Laidlaw are cool with each other & the go to Harley Davidson guys, you my friend have gained a new subscriber. 👍🤟

[@trirycheman]

The worst thing about the M8 is it no longer sounds like a Harley. Literally sounds like a Japanese V-Twin

[@peteallen82]

Kevin Vance I would say that's a step in the right direction.

[@trirycheman]

@@peteallen82 Good to know you're into basic generic engines.

[@peteallen82]

Kevin Vance Absoluteley! Better by design & build totally reliable. If you're into riding more than sitting on you're arse on the floor working on the bike it's the only way to go. HD should have stuck with the V-Rod and they would have stayed in the game. Fortunately we Brits don't have to stick to the one brand through misguided patriotism. Have a good day and stay rubber side down.👍🏻

[@jefferyosgood9566]

Great video. John I installed a fueling cam/cam plate/oil pump kit. Had no problems with 2018 electra glide, just playing it safe.

[@danielwoodhouse1870]

I just discovered your Channel by accident today and I love it! I'm really not a Harley guy at all, but I find your videos really interesting. Some times your content applies to the type of bikes I like to wrench on. Cheers!

[@N9710A]

Sold MY Sportster (Iron 883) and got my 2019 Milwaukee 8 114 Road Glide Special in billiard blue. No regrets. #AmericanHarley in North Tonawanda, NY treats the customer right!

[@LEON1541]

Lol "I'm a highly trained unprofessional" 😂😂😂 did nobody even catch that?

[@rebel_ltz]

Literally everyone catch that.

[@OKRMetric]

he says it in every video... but I'm sure you have subbed his channel by now and figured that out lol

[@mondeacid5610]

Possibly he means and prefessional (not unprof) the first vlog i noticed that on the intro)

[@OKRMetric]

@@mondeacid5610 no he means unprofessional. It's a joke

[@mondeacid5610]

@@OKRMetric oh ok i get it, a joke so you think this is a joke, i reported him to harley head office statjng that he is an unprofessional and they will send a doctor !! Sorry that was a joke 😂 great vlogs and educational just got an FXDR 2019 last week here in the Philippines while check cleared this virus lockdown was imposed, check cleared, bike is in showroom, can't clear DMV for another 14 days closed due to virus , take care be safe all the best

[@windsurfed1]

John, great video. This is the second one in a row I’ve watched of years I really like them.

[@decapolis01]

Thanks for sharing, I have been thinking of trading my Yamaha Raider 113 in for a 2018 Roadking M8 114 but have been nervous for the price and the fact new models always have problems.

[@albertmashburn6030]

AND FOR GOOD REASON

[@matthewpedrick8505]

Don't do it. Nothing but problems 2000 miles on mine