Their names were ERASED from the Code... | Part 1

[@TwirlGirl2197]

I can understand why they might remove a name if the skill is banned, like with things like the Korbut flip and the Thomas salto, but removing names for no reason or because you only want C+ elements to be named seems disrespectful to me. Even if they want to not name new B and A skills, at least leave names on the downgraded skills.

[@missmoxie9188]

The Mukhina Flip will always be the Mukhina flip to me Banned or not

[@lpoco0006]

@@missmoxie9188 oh and shouldn't the full twist double back on floor also be called Mukhina?

[@murasakino101]

@@lpoco0006 yes it should still be under her name, people just refer to as a full-in or full twisting double back now instead of a mukhina

[@jackieknits61]

Either take them all off (my preference) or not. This singling out particular skills to de name is not good. Also, they should wait until the end of the year and review all new skills before deciding. That would lower the number of mistakes to be fix3d.

[@thesovgc]

@@hannahwalmer1124 Tsukahara is a full-in also, only in MAG. But you'll hear it sometimes in WAG as well. I just checked and the full twisting double back still has Mukhina's name. She also has a dismount off bars--clear hip + hecht with back salto tucked 😍.

[@sonjawursthorn616]

the garison looks so incredibly cool. i wish more gymnasts would incorporate it in their beam routines...

[@thesovgc]

Present-day gymnastics is SCREAMING for originality, such as in Kelly's skill. Instead what happens now is that one skill gets a high value and then EVERYBODY starts doing it, ad infinium, ad nauseum--i.e. the candle mount on beam and wolf turns on beam and floor. Unfortunately, I'm not sure this will change until bonus points start being given for originality. The Code used to value originality & creativity, which is why I feel the sport used to be far more interesting.

[@igorbuzzatto]

sadly it doesn’t let the gymnast add another skill to it, so they lose those extra connection points that everyone is looking for nowadays

[@Ittybittyree33]

It is really cool looking. The codes seem to fluctuate so much it just must be hard working something in that isn't bog standard and everyone else is doing at that moment in time. The artistry really needs to come back somehow.

[@Hersheysd]

@@igorbuzzattoactually the right gymnast could connect it to a split leap. THAT would be cool!

[@haydenmusicacademy7502]

Funny how Nellie Kim instigated the removal of the athlete's names for the majority of these skills, yet skills that she got named after her remain in the code with her name still on them...

[@kgoulding1237]

I understand making the change that new skills c and lower don't have the gymnast name from now on, but applying this rule to previous skills is disrespectful.

[@bignlilshmoo]

My thoughts exactly! 💯 They can update the rules moving forward, but should NEVER erase these athlete's pride and contributions to the history of the sport! Can you imagine how it feels for Amanda to be announcing NCAA meets seeing her (and Strug's) skill over and over again and thinking yeah, ...that's my skill but I can't refer to it as the Borden anymore?! How horrible.

[@thesovgc]

What's even MORE disrespectful is that there's no consistency in who gets unnamed and who doesn't. Silivas still gets to have her B beam mount in the Code, as well as the floor skill that she grifted. SMH.

[@slugerknot]

This channel has served one function above all else, ingrained a burning disdain for the FIG in all respects. The absolute audacity this federation has to micromanage so many elements of a sport that should be wild, diverse, creative, and classy, is reduced to a formulaic and watered down mess. I feel sorry for all of the young men and women who compete without being appreciated for the incredible skills they do have, only to be neutered by the rules and regulations.

[@BubbyNikko]

The two-seconds clip of Laurie Strong's bar routine was still more interesting than anything seen today during an apparatus final.

[@sumsumcorda8]

if a skill was named after a gymnast, it should be keep that name regardless of the changes of the cop. that is something that the gymnast accomplished at a time, so it´s unrespectful and low to erase their names. even if the skill is banned it still exists and it was credited at some point. once you give it a name, just dont take it away.

[@captainbryce1]

I think there needs to be an official explanation for the removal of any eponymous skill in the code. Otherwise, it looks like political bias and unjustified "revisionist" history in the sport. I see no reason why certain skills would carry the name of a gymnast in one code, only to be surreptitiously removed without explanation in the next code.

[@kimberlygilliam6112]

Especially since Nellie Kim had her name added to a large number of skills while she was President of the WAG Technical Committee, which also happened to coincide with these North American gymnasts having their names removed.

[@thesovgc]

ITA and thank you for using "bias" correctly! 💗

[@DizzyedUpGirl]

Yeah, it's making Nellie look sketchy.

[@sethescope]

yes! this makes sense to me. I feel like they need to explain all major changes, just to have official reasoning on the record. it would honestly make the process so much more transparent and make the rulebook more accountable to the sport in general. I wish there was a way to formally suggest changes that would be officially submitted to the committee that goes through the Code to make changes for the next quad. I feel like that would increase a sense of ownership over the sport for everyone who enjoys it, either as a participant or audience member. it would encourage more formal debate and a more democratic attitude. why shouldn't athletes and coaches, etc., get to advocate for their own sport in an official manner? unless they already can. I don't know these things lmao but if this process exists, I've never heard of it

[@herbiethekat3637]

Right

[@nocomment2468]

I think it would be nice for younger gymnasts to feel connected to the history of the sport, by keeping the names of the creators.

[@martynkal.1248]

Very good point!

[@romeo2282]

it's pretty cool how at one point kelly garrison had 4 skills named after her on beam and did at least 3 on her usual routine

[@missmoxie9188]

I’m going to call it like I see it Nellie Kim has say in the matter over what goes in the code. She’s basically erasing the names of anyone who beat a Russian or a Soviet That’s why the Mag7 has disappeared from the code

[@Inyourlap]

In the meantime, she decided to call 7 skills “The Kim” like the double back tuck on floor because she was the first one to do it (supposedly - we need to check it). Except she did it 2 decades later when she was at the head of the FIG Technical Committee. As a result, nobody calls it “the Kim”. Let’s not forget that her judging license was suspended by the FIG for a time, after a 1990 World Cup, due to allegations of cheating and fixing scores…. But she was reinstated a few years later because obviously the FIG can’t survive without her. Yes… good job FIG

[@thesovgc]

Not if she had any part of removing Khorkina's skill on floor...

[@lampwick4427]

@@Inyourlap Nellie Kim was the first to do the double back at a nameable event (the Olympics). So technically it should be named after her but the fact that she had it named in 2007 was extra scummy.

[@jenniferspears7074]

The Garrison is such a unique skill; this skill definitely should’ve remained in the COP.

[@My-hat]

Why REMOVE it. If they don’t like new lower level skills being named, so be it. But why remove OLD ones??

[@demonsalwayswin]

I second this. Also I don't understand why Borden was removed. It was not a low rating skill and it's not even explained in the video.

[@coolness06]

I won't stand for Amanda Borden erasure!!! Her leadership role as captain of the Magnificent Seven is a huge reason why they won gold.

[@ctruth6185]

You're being way too dramatic. The quality of the mag 7 was the gymnasts skills & execution. Every team member was a world or Olympic medalist. Shannon Miller multiple world & Olympic champion & one of the most decorated gymnasts was the strength of that team. Dominique Dawes & Kerri Strug were a world renowned performers who carried the U.S team to the top quite often. Moceanu was a national & world AA champion. True the FIG is disrespecting U.S gymnasts scrubbing them from the sport. The USG needs to take the FIG to task.

[@luzs.1845]

When they remove Borden, Strug and Garrison name when had elements C o D for the code for being to basic but put the name Kim in another basic element (no for difficult, but standar) 30 years later it's right. 🤡

[@agentgirl0205]

the Garrison might be my new favorite skill on beam! wish this would make a comeback

[@kristinen7611]

I think it SUCKS that they remove the names. It takes a lot of work to expand the sport with new tricks. It shows respect.

[@emilymason7868]

I wonder how many of the original 5 skills named, after Oksana Chusovitina remain. I personally think they should keep All 5 as a tribute to her ,since she did not get the Swan Song she deserved at the Tokyo Olympics.( Her 8th)

[@Mrblackblackboy]

I love your video! And I can see the hard work and dedication you put into it :) so thank you! I am waiting for more video focus on male gymnastics!

[@withtheangelss]

why did they have to? i understand the first one but the removing of the rest seems completely pointless

[@suekelley2109]

They all had the same reason. The skill is ranked lower than required

[@withtheangelss]

@@suekelley2109 the borden is d, the strug is c, and i think the garrison is c. the code says skills c or higher may carry the name of the gymnast.

[@gabrielfreitas1263]

@@withtheangelss You're right, it doesn't make sense

[@suekelley2109]

@@withtheangelss I think the Borden is b. But honestly I have a migraine so forget I even commented 🤔

[@jorgesteingruber661]

The official justification for the removal of the Borden was that the FIG decided that a straddle 1/2 is the same skill regardless of whether it's performed to the side. This logic is completely undermined by the fact that they award +.1 bonus to skills performed to the side. So a straddle 1/2 is usually a C-value skill, but if you perform it from the side, it's a D-value skill. Yet somehow the FIG maintains that it's the same skill despite having different start values...

[@thesovgc]

Lori Strong was such a cool gymnast! 💗

[@nathalieng8079]

I mean it makes sense to remove names from A and B skills, otherwise you could have any easy jump or turn named, but removing names from C+ skills with NO explanation makes no sense

[@lindacoolbaugh962]

That Garison was so neat. And boy they took away from that 96 team members huh??

[@Scent_Library]

Wow!! The garrison is such a gorgeous move!

[@patriciazuniga32]

I honestly think that if the gymnast deserved having a skill named after them then it should Stay that way. They work long & hard to earn & learn a new skill that no one knows about & No One has a right to take it away from them!!! No one ( besides other gymnasts) knows how much time,effort, & repetition, it takes to learn new skills well enuf to be able to do them at a championship 😔😔😪😪. My heart & love goes out to all the men & women who had their name stripped from a skill.

[@sethescope]

I love all of these videos :) I watch a lot of gymnastics content and know some things about the sport but I'd still categorize myself as a casual viewer, so your videos are extremely helpful. they teach me a lot about the history of the sport and things I would never pick up as just someone watching meets, competitions, and routines because there's stuff commentators would never have the time to mention or fully explain while the competition is happening. sidebar: would it be possible to make a video about current German gymnasts like Pauline Schafer or just all of the most well known or reasonably recent ones? I just watched a video that talked about her eponymous skill on beam, and I've always loved watching Schafer compete. and tbh I also like the idea of the people who hate the new German leos having to see more of them 😂 also can I just say how much it reduces my anxiety to know they don't have to worry about wardrobe malfunctions? it's something I constantly worry about on their behalf lol and now they don't have to use any of that adhesive spray to keep their leos glued to their butts. that stuff can't be good for your skin edit: btw I liked the transition between each skill. very aesthetically pleasing and the red transparent crossing out of the name of the skill was a really cool touch.

[@dijay8822]

Every 4 years when the code of points changes, there are more bad changes than good ones

[@annapavfan4680]

The FIG always keeping the integrity of the gymnasts and sport❤️

[@bloodrainicorn6193]

They say Kelly Garrison doesn’t fall she just lets it roll off her shoulder.

[@patriciazuniga32]

If they earned it, & it really looks like they did, then I don't think it's very fair to them to have their named removed from the move or style that is connected to them & the stunt. They Earned that HONOR & it's heartbreaking to them when that honor was taken away. 😔😪

[@daiseycasey2718]

Let me get this right nelly Kim can have her name all over the code but can’t keep others names in the code!

[@Wwydn]

FYI for all asking it's not named anymore bc if it's rated C or lower they aren't naming them any longer. So they removed names off anything that isn't A or B.

[@MensGymnasticsAnalysis]

Could anyone help me find the footage or information of who was the first gymnast to do a double layout both in MAG and WAG?

[@captainbryce1]

This is the problem with the subjectivity and lack of transparency of the FIG. They don't list their criteria and they give no reasons for why a name is removed from the code. And when you arbitrarily add or remove names of skills from one code to the next, the history of the skill is lost. Nobody can tell you who the first gymnast was to do the double layout because there's no footage of it being performed for the first time at a World Championships or Olympics. And if there is, it isn't identified as a "new" skill or by a name. Mary Lou Retton is the first female gymnast I've ever seen compete a double layout at an international competition. However, the skill is not called a Retton. It's not called anything but a double layout for some reason. They treat it as though nobody performed it first.

[@romeo2282]

there's no footage but it's said that it was stella zakharova at the 1977 ussr cup. then mary lou retton did it in 1982 and yu feng did it as well in 1985

[@MensGymnasticsAnalysis]

@@romeo2282 Wow, so if it was Zakharova in 1977, was it before the implementation of sprung floors?

[@MensGymnasticsAnalysis]

Also, if someone knows of the first male gymnast to do it, or at least the first to be known or to have footage of it, I would really appreciate :D

[@romeo2282]

@@MensGymnasticsAnalysis nikolai andrianov kzbin.info/www/bejne/sHXUZJyVm6iSic0

[@Leader-fq1dq]

I like the Garrison, put her name on it. I would love to see more of it

[@ryujinxyyeji]

this is so not fair for not giving credit to the creators

[@Rivionna]

I wanna know the why,, personally once named, it shouldnt be un named unless the move was banned for health concerns

[@joannasarcamedes8191]

The gymnists name should remain on the skill. It's honoring the originator.

[@TheFlowMind]

OMG the shoulder roll! I want to see that!

[@courtneypuzzo2502]

for those who say Daniela Silivas was underage when she competed in her first world Championships no she wasn't the minimum age to compete in international competitions at that time was 14 sure she was only 13.5 born May 9th 1972 so likely had a waiver to qualify rules weren't as strict back then not like Dong Fangxiao at the 2000 Sydney games later being disqualified for lying about her age which led to the Chinese team being stripped of their team bronze

[@RAFAAMARILLAS]

The COP sucks! Gymnasts, in an attempt to get a high score and bonuses based on the difficulty of the element, have become repetitive, cookie cutter type. Originality is not equally rewarded.

[@kp395]

The Liukin :'(

[@BairMendoza]

Anyone notice how these are all North Americans? Don’t be jelly Eastern Europe! You have the monopoly on all the Svetlanas! 😂🥰💯

[@thesovgc]

Do you know if Khorkina's skill on floor has been removed? 🤔

[@robbywinslow8948]

I think it is a B rating, so it might not carry her name anymore

[@thesovgc]

@@robbywinslow8948 😭😭 That's a shame; she was one of the very few in gymn history to have eponymous skills on every event!

[@robbywinslow8948]

@@thesovgc she had one on every event? also, I never got how skils ending in front support on floor didnt hurt-

[@thesovgc]

@@robbywinslow8948 she actually had MULTIPLE skills on every event except floor. Two vaults (one of which has been combined with Podkopayeva's under Lilia's name even though Sveta did her variation first.. but she still has the RO half-on tucked Rudi off), the Shap-half on bars as well as another 1 ½ pirouetting skill that again, I think has been removed. On beam she has a gainer 2 ½ twist dismount and a gainer full-twisting back-handspring (which I *thought* was being removed but is still there, praise be 🙌🏽).

[@Alina-xj7ho]

@@thesovgc and the Markelov on UB is also named Khorkina. But most people just refer to it as a Markelov

[@sethescope]

as a lawyer (and thus trained to see bullshit in rules), I would argue that, if FIG's reason for removing the names of these skills is that they are rated B or A and the rule states that new elements must be C or higher, it's real dumb reasoning. the rule explicitly states that *new* skills and elements must be C or higher. unless there is an addendum that wasn't listed in the video or some official commentary in the Code (a footnote or note in the appendices), the rule does not imply or mandate changing any skills that already carry a name.

[@hisimagenme]

Anyone seeing a pattern here, North American Gymnast name removals??

[@shanzheny8721]

I just realised I have the Strug in my routine!!!!

[@carltonposey369]

Has any gymnast ever done or are doing the Miller on balance beam?

[@seansbookreviews2977]

Good question I don't recall seeing the Miller done on balance beam other than by Shannon

[@cherokeeangel3067]

That is wrong on so many levels!!! If it wasn't for the girls who invented and introduced it to the world nobody would be able to do the moves now so NO they should not remove their names!! That is so unfair!! Those girls worked to hard to do those moves!! I think it needs to be looked into and their names should be put back to their moves!!! NU-UUHH this is wrong and done made me angry I shouldn't have watched this at this time of night!!

[@bbgymnast7510]

Not to mention the skills that were invented that are C+ and don’t have their own box in the code just a special mention at the end because the FIG doesn’t like them

[@talialawee5997]

Some of these removals seem to have no reasoning behind them

[@TiffanySparrow]

So why were these names removed?

[@karyndewit193]

Why did they remove their names?

[@taitiannaquinonez4940]

Honestly quite insulting it just seems that their extra skill and passion for the move just seems like it was even appreciated

[@vfvf8495]

Damn, this channel is really making me hate FIG, lol.

[@sheiladavis3893]

They are wrong to do this to those young women who put in all the hard work work!

[@bbgymnast7510]

If these skills are rated C why did they remove their names?! It makes no sense and doesnt follow their own rules

[@apples_281]

Ok... but why? Why were the names removed? It's not stated. And why show a clip of Shannon Miller? None of this had anything to do with her.

[@Marketoromagnolo]

why that? if a gymnast invents one skill is right to keep named after her

[@seansbookreviews2977]

They didn't necessarily invent it. They were just the first to perform it at international competition.

[@LETMEINGUYS]

What does removing thier name accomplish? I mean it's tnier skill.

[@JMPschool1]

I'm sorry are they concerned there are just too many names? If it was earned before the c+ rule was in place, they should be allowed to keep it. What harm is it causing? It's also kinda lame that it has to be a c+ skill to be named.

[@SaadonAksah]

awesome! 👍

[@ilaria.acquaroli]

I still use the name strug💀

[@francisnguyen6349]

Kerri Strug is doing excellent remove code at Gymnastics half turn split jump.

[@annettemalaski1967]

Notice that these gymnasts are all North American. I wonder how many European officials had a hand in this?

[@t1tan683]

Svetlana Khorkina was a main victim of Nellie Kim and her abuse of power. She had her name completely stripped off the CoP by 2006. Its not just an American thing.

[@donaldholderdoc2910]

I can't/don't understand why their names were removed. Especially The Garrison. That skill is awesome and scary at the same time. Is it my opinion like others here that it is extremely disrespectful. Is it just my imagination or all these skills names that were removed are just Americans? (With The Lori- Hop the only exception. But even Lori in North American/Canadian) Could that have any baring on the FIG actions? Interesting to see part 2 if any other countries athletes are removed.

[@seansbookreviews2977]

They have removed other khorkina on floor was also removed which was very unique

[@laurielynne2006]

Never knew that jump was called a Strug in the past. Garrison was such a badA$$!!

[@gymstyle5091]

Strug cheated her own movie. lol

[@thesovgc]

Not a shock. The coolest thing I ever saw Kerri do was a 1 1/2 through to full-in in 92 a la Shevchenko, but she fell on it and took it out of her routine.

[@gymlandia4467]

The miller on BB.

[@williamt594]

the stroescu?

[@stephaniesampson8441]

I think it's bullshit. The Borden an Strug ones are amazing

[@kmclane12]

I don’t like it, it’s like with everything else in the world, loosing history! Blessings and Peace ✝️❤️

[@unknown-lf6zx]

The codes have ruined gymnastics. It’s no longer flowing, artistic, unique or elegant in my opinion

[@philliptraslavina184]

Shit go

[@stephaniesampson8441]

They'll probably do this to Biles eventually, too

[@t1tan683]

It has already started... Nellie Kim gives out unfair rankings to anything that actually stands out.

[@im_so_rachel]

that beam mount by Lori Strong is hideous

[@Zuranthium]

It's fine.

[@seansbookreviews2977]

Its unique though

[@alma-h5k]

First :)

[@dangutube5420]

Gymnastics has become so cookie cutter. Try to pack the most skills in for the highest maximum difficulty. I wish they'd bring back the compulsories for the Olympics. A great way to evaluate each gymnast doing the same skill sets. Plus the competition would be longer...I miss the compulsories🥺