Theism & Science: A Conversation with John Lennox

[@shajujoseph4462]

As a person from India watching and listening Prof. Lenox, Since 2015, I must admit that I love this great soldier of our Lord Jesus Christ. Inspite of his great knowledge in the subjects of his discourses, his humility is unparallel. Please continue your good work Prof. Lenox. May our Lord keep you in good spirits and health.

[@Sooner-im9qf]

Agree. Prof. Lennox is a great and brilliant man. He also reminds me of Dr. Hugh Ross the great Christian astrophysicist. Love them both. We are all blessed to have access to their lectures, interviews, and books.

[@Renato84Br]

Hug from Brazil, brother!

[@annbrucepineda8093]

I would probably have never learned about Dr. Lennox if we had not been locked down due to covid. The virus has been such a curse in so many ways but God can take what the enemy means for our destruction and turn it for good. The battle truly belongs to the Lord but, as ShajunJoseph has said, Dr. Lennox is a “great soldier of our Lord Jesus Christ”, a man of unparalleled humility in spite of his great knowledge. I so want my five grandsons to be able to watch his videos and appreciate his wisdom.

[@melissaminder5534]

Thank you Dr. Lennox for your love and faithfulness to God. You have helped me many times on the journey. I am grateful.

[@victoriacorcimaru1731]

THANK YOU! Literally baptized two days ago thanks to people like Mr. Lennox!!!!

[@ilonameagher]

God bless you, Victoria! May the Lord's peace be with you and yours this Christmas season and always.

[@victoriacorcimaru1731]

@@ilonameagher Thank you ma'am ❤️ You too!!!!!!!

[@ENFPerspectives]

😭💝💞

[@annbrucepineda8093]

Praise theLord, Victoria.

[@08453300222]

God bless you Victoria. Welcome to the family of God. I am a humble brother of Jesus Christ my Lord and saviour. I don't know where you are in this world, but let me share that when I spent six years living in the Philippine's I got a lot closer to God and really saw his love and wonder. God wants me to be here back home in England, with my wife but as soon as she retires we will be looking to join a Christine community on my in-laws home island of Barbados. Christmas day will be warmer than here in Great Britain.

[@thurzaheim]

I could listen to Lennox for hours! Brilliance & humility!

[@AtamMardes]

If made-up superstitious religious nonsense can fool the educated Dr. John Lennox, imagine what it could do to not-so-educated ordinary folks.

[@carlscharschmidt7317]

In awe of Dr. Lennox in defense of the Gospel.

[@StayGold_MrsE]

When people ask if there was one person in the whole world that you could spend the day with and listen to, for me, it would be John Lennox. Hands down.

[@ENFPerspectives]

CS Lewis

[@StayGold_MrsE]

@@AtamMardesOk, Psalm 14:1 👍

[@AtamMardes]

@@StayGold_MrsE *Deuteronomy 20:* *-* When you approach a city to fight against it, you are to make an offer of peace. *-* If they accept your offer of peace & open their gates, all the people there will become forced laborers to serve you. *-* But if they refuse to make peace & wage war against you, lay siege to that city. *-* When the LORD has delivered it into your hand, you must put every male to the sword. *-* But the women, children, livestock, & whatever else is in the city - all its spoil - you may take as plunder, & you shall use the spoil of your enemies that the LORD gives you. *-* This is how to treat cities that are far away & do not belong to the nations nearby. *Numbers **31:17**:* *-* Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

[@AtamMardes]

@@StayGold_MrsE Reading the Bible is not enough; you have to read the Bible and actually think about it to realize the fact that it was written by the early folks who were intellectually comparable to the today's Taliban.

[@immanuel829]

@@AtamMardes When the Allies fought against Nazi Germany and bombarded Berlin (and other cities), my mother's parents died, on April 14th, 1945. My mother was 15 months old. Were the Allies guilty? Maybe one could criticize the extent of the bombardement of German cities where relatively innocent civilians were killed. But all in all, it were the Nazis who started WWII and hence responsible for my grandparents' death. The Canaanites were utterly gruesome and even slaughtered their own children. God had warned them over and over again and waited for 400 years whether they will repent and turn from their whicked crimes. And after the Israelites fought against them, only a few verses later, Canaanites were still living there! You know, people often want God to stop all the evil in the world. In the Jewish Bible (=OT) He did exactly that. And He is the source and giver of every single life. Since God is holy and perfectly just, He cannot ignore our wrongdoings (it even starts with gossip, greed, hatred, selfishness, cheating). Since God loves us despite our rebellion against Him, He became human and took the punishment we deserve upon Himself. Therefore, He can forgive us and give us eternal life.

[@fretnesbutke3233]

As a Buddhist Agnostic, Professor Lennox is the very best spokesman for your point of view. I sincerely hope that you value him and promote him accordingly. He single-handedly is redeeming Christianity from Its present state of disrepute. His voice must be heard in the modern marketplace of ideas. P.S.,as a former member of your 'tribe', I'm still rooting for you. Please,I beg you,preach the Gospel by your example. Don't bring disrepute and hypocrisy on the teachings of our Christ. Make the rest of us admirers of your faith.

[@audrakoch431]

Why are you agnostic? What made you leave Christianity?

[@Keep83]

I admire you for your peaceful approach to the discussion as opposed to those who just troll Christian videos in order to sling mud.

[@Renato84Br]

John Lennox, as always, showing clearly what our Catholic Christian faith truly means. Hugs from Brazil!

[@Michaelangelo-eh7bb]

Thank you Lord for John Lenox.

[@biniamgebre2984]

Dr Lennox a man of faith and understanding, you are blessed sir.

[@johannaquinones7473]

God bless John❤

[@ianroyaltykamande146]

Prof. John Lennox has given me reasons to even believe in Christ and Christianity more.

[@BillyLeonard-lt2nn]

Thank you LORD for your servant, John Lennox!!

[@annbrucepineda8093]

I heard about fine tuning first, I think, from a Christian radio chat by an Assembly of God pastor at Josué Church in San Salvador years ago. Jorge Cota, a young man born in Mexico, also recorded amazing chats in Spanish in his home in Palm Desert years ago before he and his wife had children.

[@Boss_Feed]

Thanks John 🙏 God Bless

[@markmessinese6670]

0o

[@TroyLeavitt]

Lennox doesn't need to debate Dawkins. Douglas Adams already showed the weakness of his fine-tuning arguments via his puddle analogy as found in his book, "The Salmon of Doubt". It goes like this: "“This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in - an interesting hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'"

[@playtoearngaming4858]

It's amazing how Hitchen's publicly admitted on youtube that he lost his debate to Lennox.

[@fudgedogbannana]

Puddle analogy has been debunked (Dr. Hugh Ross).

[@TroyLeavitt]

@@fudgedogbannana I'm familiar with it. I found it unconvincing because the issue isn't that life can exist anywhere (as Ross mischaracterizes the argument), but rather that any life that arises in any universe will find itself supremely adapted to that universe.

[@mixi1141]

@@playtoearngaming4858 when it was? Where?

[@TroyLeavitt]

@@Rusty69-er You missed the point. The point is that ANY sentient entity can regard the universe as having been made specifically for it. Human, alien, or even a hypothetical puddle.

[@josepholugbami794]

1 Cor 1: 22. The Jews require a sign while the greeks wisdom. We may pursue make them see, vit .. as scriptures say.. The gods of this world has blinded them.. with this wisdom from Prof John Lennox and the uncounterable miracles ongoing in our various christian gathering, we only now need to look up to the Holy Spirit to open their eyes of understanding. Miracles like the Ausbury University revival is such. We need more

[@leedufour]

Thanks!

[@weidmanlaw]

If you follow the professor, he has many, many talks on KZbin and you should listen. Ie- 1 +1=2. But does it put $2 in your pocket? He politely chewed up Dawkins and Hawkins.

[@ENFPerspectives]

Heehee. Yes. I pray for this wisdom and humility.

[@ahler3973]

Gbu Dr

[@matthewstokes1608]

Your name says it all

[@paulhaynes3688]

Clever man would love to know if he believes the earth is no more than 6,000 years and man coexisted with dinosaurs

[@annbrucepineda8093]

His lecture at a Presbyterian church in Gainesville, FL, might have the newer to your question. I don’t think he believes the earth is 6k years old.

[@MixtapeKilla2004]

Has Science Buried God? I wanna see Dr. John Lennox & Hugh Ross Ph.D debate Dr. Richard Dawkins & Dr. Peter Atkins at Asbury University

[@weidmanlaw]

He alrdy did so with Dawkins.

[@MixtapeKilla2004]

@@weidmanlaw ''I already know that man, I want a WWE tag team debate on whether ''Has Science Buried God''. 😎😎😎

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@MixtapeKilla2004 Well, God is now hiding in the few pockets of scientific ignorance that are left. So I would say that science has buried all Theistic Gods… and what’s left are only very weak Deistic Gods.

[@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHell]

@@ramigilneas9274 Greetings friend 😁 I would like to know where you think the knowledge of ancient and modern science and technology and advances in science and technology come from. How did all that happen? How did people know what to look for? Also, why only a few select people have this knowledge and the majority don't have it without searching it up on google (myself included)? May God help you as He has helped me and grant you access to His Holy Bible. 😁

[@fudgedogbannana]

@@ramigilneas9274 Not at all, quite the opposite. (There is a Biblical Scientific model for the origins of the universe that is Testable, Falsifiable, and Predictive of future scientific advance just as every scientific model must. "Reasons To Believe" is an organization of 165 all PhD. scientist from many fields of science headed by Astronomer/Astrophysicist Dr. Hugh Ross).

[@canoedoc2390]

Acknowledging the existence of mystery, and the limitations of science, does not give one license to believe in magic. To believe in things that have no evidence to support them, and that contradict the known universe, just because they were written in an ancient book, is crossing the line from mystery into the land of magic. Taking the Bible literally requires the belief in magic. It is a book of values, not science.

[@richardewarren256]

Thanks for this. If only science and religion could see that God created evolution. God's problem is being too obvious to be seen.

[@larrywilliams5490]

👏🧠🫀🙏✝

[@ENFPerspectives]

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[@GuessWhoAsks]

Part of the problem could be the fact that Abrahamic religions like Christianity follow books of laws that at one time allowed their followers to commit actions that we now understand were immoral. They did not seem to realize it was immoralat the time, which is problematic, as they base their morality on these laws...that allowed immorality...One can highlight the problem by asking: Is it ever morally acceptable to be allowed to purchase another person and consider them property that can be passed on to your children as an inheritance?

[@kennethgee2004]

Can you name any of these immoral actions? And where in does the Bible support chattel slavery? Where does it say that Jew could own other Jews? every 50 years all slaves were freed. So what type of slavery are you looking at? Has the rest of the world removed slavery? No, they have not. It is only in Western Civilization that slavery has been removed.

[@GuessWhoAsks]

@@kennethgee2004 "Can you name any of these immoral actions? "...Do you not consider chattel slavery as an immoral action? "And where in does the Bible support chattel slavery?"...Leviticus 25:44-46 New International Version 44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. " Where does it say that Jew could own other Jews? "....Actually Leviticus 25:39-43 shows the differentiation in treatment, as Hebrews could only consider a foreigner as chattel and was forbidden from considering another Hebrew as chattel...For clarity, ONLY foreigners were allowed to be considered chattel by Hebrew masters. "every 50 years all slaves were freed."...Are you sure it was not ONLY Hebrews ? If not then prove it with scripture supporting the claim... " So what type of slavery are you looking at? "...To be fair, the debt slavery that Hebrew was allowed to practice on other Hebrews is immoral as well. What type of slavery do you look at as morally acceptable? " Has the rest of the world removed slavery? No, they have not. It is only in Western Civilization that slavery has been removed."...Are you claiming that slavery has been removed from western civilization???

[@kennethgee2004]

@@GuessWhoAsks I do not see chattel slavery as describe for the Jews. But that slave was then treated with the same rights as everyone else. Under chattel slavery if a slave was murdered by their owner, then it was just a business loss. In Israel if you murdered your slave you were put to death. if the slave lived then they went free, so you lost your slave. Do you know that indentured servitude and to some degree apprenticeships are a lesser form of slavery, but in which both sides benefited? Yes, I am sure that all slaves were freed. But I want to address the point that you brought up in that "46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.", in which they do not rule over other Jews. Now back to the Jubilee, Leviticus 25:9-10. I see the phrase " every man", which is all slaves. I answered your question about the slavery, but it was indentured servitude as that was part of the way things were done. We outlawed the practice in Western civilization because it was easy to abuse. So many of the Europeans coming over to the Americas faced very harsh indentured servitude. Yes, I am claiming that slavery has been removed from Western civilization. It is your choice if you want to live on the government dole, so you put yourself into slavery that is your fault. But are you ignoring the real argument in that the remainder of the world still has slavery. Just look at China and everyone is a slave to the state by force. Look at India that supports slavery and class subjugation. Look at Muslim states that still support chattel slavery.

[@GuessWhoAsks]

@@kennethgee2004" I do not see chattel slavery as describe for the Jews."...Can you define "chattel", as you may be using a flawed definition? "But that slave was then treated with the same rights as everyone else. Under chattel slavery if a slave was murdered by their owner, then it was just a business loss. In Israel if you murdered your slave you were put to death. if the slave lived then they went free, so you lost your slave."...Are you saying that you consider chattel slavery moral as long as you treat the slave well or at least better than other slaves are teated??? "Do you know that indentured servitude and to some degree apprenticeships are a lesser form of slavery, but in which both sides benefited? "...Are you suggesting debt slavery is morally acceptable? "Yes, I am sure that all slaves were freed. But I want to address the point that you brought up in that "46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.", in which they do not rule over other Jews. Now back to the Jubilee, Leviticus 25:9-10. I see the phrase " every man", which is all slaves. "....Can you put the speech in context, as he God was speaking to and about the chosen people returning to YOUR home...but let us say for the sake of the argument that the line meant all people even non-Hebrew slaves were included....Does that make it morally acceptable if they were purchased and held as a slave for up to 50 years? What do you believe was the average life expectancy of a free man? Do you imagine serving as a slave would extend their lifespan? "I answered your question about the slavery, but it was indentured servitude as that was part of the way things were done. We outlawed the practice in Western civilization because it was easy to abuse. So many of the Europeans coming over to the Americas faced very harsh indentured servitude. Yes, I am claiming that slavery has been removed from Western civilization."...Are there other forms of slavery other than debt slavery(indentured servitude) and chattel slavery? Are you claiming that western civilization has zero problem with child trafficing or sexual slavery?

[@kennethgee2004]

@@GuessWhoAsks I think I am using the standard definition of chattel slavery as discussed in history. People are bought and sold as property just like cattle. They have no rights and and be treated however the owner sees fit. I do not see the slavery that Israel held as chattel slavery. I see that used properly indentured servitude can be a good thing. , which is why I went in length to make the distinction. I see that apprenticeships where used in history to teach people a trade that they normally could not learn. This would allow for the creation of wealthy, which is an overall good. The context was already given. All slaves were to be returned to their homes. There is no secret code or gas lighting here. It is just plain language. I expect the life expectancy was around 80 years like the Bible said. I believe that in the past a lot of children died and the average life span was decreased drastically because of it. I do not expect that a slave in Israel would have have their life span shortened because they were a slave. I expect that their life span might be increased as a slave owner in Israel had the responsibility to feed their slaves and provide shelters. You bring up child trafficking and sexual slavery, but those are just another form of chattel slavery. I am claiming that in Western civilization that this form of slavery is illegal versus the open chattel slavery that you want to attribute to the Bible or the open slavery that is still held in Muslim countries. When we find such slavery in Western civilization we end it, and punish those doing it with legal proceedings. There is a problem because because humans are evil. There is a problem because those practicing were not taught to value family and God. I would go so far as to say the problem is horrific, but not rampant in Western civilization. In large, slavery as an acceptable practice is removed from Western civilization. I would guess who you are as a person is someone from Western civilization. Why would you want to view history in such a way, and then think that it is all because of religion? Could it be that humans are actually evil and without God we would fall to our base desires? But then without God we would not be here to even ask the question. So why do you want to find evil only in those that believe in God? Why do you not find the evil within the person? And for that matter why do you not find the evil within yourself?

[@mwest1207]

I'm highly skeptical Origin of Life science will ever be successful. If the Bible is true, life comes from the breath of God, which no laboratory will ever be able to re-create.

[@tomato12terra]

religious nonsense

[@Keep83]

Dude, that was deep. You should prepare a lecture with that as your thesis.

[@paulross6727]

It's amazing how people like John Lennox refuse to accept the true age of the earth, evolution etc even though there is a vast amount of evidence yet they believe the theory of god with zero evidence.

[@sirapeinc]

Lennox is an old earth creationist. He wrote a book about the subject. Seven Days That Divide the World: The Beginning According to Genesis and Science

[@ramigilneas9274]

@@sirapeinc So he is slightly less wrong than Young Earth Creationists.😂

[@tomgreene1843]

What is the true age?

[@sirapeinc]

@@tomgreene1843 I believe there is a debate between Christians with regard to the age of the universe. The old earth creationist say that God created the universe 13-14 billion years ago. Young earth creationists say the God created the universe thousands of years ago. The debate seems to center around the original Hebrew text of the Bible. Although there is healthy debate amongst Christians on this topic, the core belief between these two groups remain the same. It's kinda like the different denominations of Christianity. Some interpret the bible a little differently but all believe in the truth about salvation.

[@sirapeinc]

@@tomgreene1843 I believe there is a debate between Christians with regard to the age of the universe. The old earth creationist say that God created the universe 13-14 billion years ago. Young earth creationists say the God created the universe thousands of years ago. The debate seems to center around the original Hebrew text of the Bible. Although there is healthy debate amongst Christians on this topic, the core belief between these two groups remain the same. It's kinda like the different denominations of Christianity. Some interpret the bible a little differently but all believe in the truth about salvation.

[@thetruthmatters7]

Thank you. In these end times, please consider this: If the solar system and globe are true, then the Bible is unreliable. If the Bible is reliable, then the solar system and globe cannot be true. The two are mutually exclusive. Please investigate. I'm going with the Bible.

[@kennethgee2004]

So the Bible says that the Earth is hung by the North from nothing. Sounds like a description of gravity to me. are you advocating for a flat Earth? Satellites disprove that quickly. I am glad that you are going with the Bible though because God is the Truth.

[@thetruthmatters7]

@@kennethgee2004 Job 26:7 is a difficult scripture, but my understanding of it would be that God streches out the firmament dome, which always means a solid surface, whose height is in the North (Isa. 14), over the empty place, which is our atmosphere, and the earth below is not hanging on anything. In numberous scriptures it is supported by pillars and bases and foundations beneath, so that it cannont move [out with the spinning ball hypothosis] The assumption that satellites disprove the flat earth, shows again the backward reasoning of modern scientism (not real science.) Who said satellites are real? We were told a lie, and then then draw more conclusions from the lie. There can be no satellites going around a ball, because the earth is not a ball. Any satellites that do exist are carried by helium balloons, and they are not orbiting around anything. I think if you did your own experiments, you might be convinced. Place a light at water level; view the light also from water level 4 miles away. If you can see the light, there is no way earth can be a ball. The globe deceivers tell us that at 4 miles, the light is 12 feet under the line of sight; you can not possibly see it. Also check out the moon landing hoaxes with a critical eye. Everything spells "fraud." See Rev. 20:9 where the earth is describe as a plateau [flat]. See the 24/7 live stream "Celebrate Truth" for loads of evidence, both biblical and otherwise.

[@kennethgee2004]

​@@thetruthmatters7 And with gravity the Earth is on a solid foundation as the law of gravity does not change. We know that God is logical and math actually works when used properly. There are satellites that go around the Earth. The curvature of the Earth blocks line of sight such that we need more for our modern communications to function. If the Earth was flat height would make for better line of sight. We see light as based on radiation form the Sun that would hit everywhere if the Earth where flat.

[@tomato12terra]

well spoken, intelligent yet just presenting the usual religious nonsense; some people just don’t think things through in spite of their intelligence

[@thetruthmatters7]

@@kennethgee2004 Please note these interesting facts about your model: a) The earth is said to revolve around the sun at 66,600 mph; the tilt of the earth is 66,6 degrees; the claimed curvature of the earth is .666 foot at one mile; 66.6 feet at ten miles; 6,666 at 100 miles; a record for being in space is 666 days. b) Don Pettit says we could't go to the moon now if we wanted to, because we don't have the technology. (Yet we are supposed to be going to mars?) C. ) Nasa lost all 13,000 original films of the moon landing. d.) When buzz Aldrin was asked by a child why we haven't been back to the moon, he confesses that it was because we didn't go. e.) Film producer Stanley Kubrick confesses on film to filming and faking all six moon missions. f.) Nasa document 1207 confirms that we fly over a "flat, non-rotating earth." g. the 2012 nasa image of earth shows Florida 1200 miles tall; when in reality it is 400. h.) Nasa spokesman says we cannot go beyond low earth orbit untill we find how to pass through the deadly radiation belts; yet in 1969 they said they passed through without even noticing; i) When absolutely no curvature is visible at 121,000 feet, (Three times at high as a jet), Neil De Grass says we are not high enough to see a curve. j. All moon missions are named after pagan gods. k. ) Nasa hates the name of Jesus. L.) When the levels on the original footage of earth from the moon are adjusted, a square box appears around the earth, showing that it was pasted in. M.) How is venus visible in the night sky, if it is between the earth and the sun? As for me, I am sticking with the Bible, and with real science (measurable, testable and repeatable.)

[@Stupidityindex]

Deity is such a bad idea; you need a theist to explain it. The Deity is so weak and helpless, why call it a deity?

[@dennyworthington6641]

Here's a short poem for Mr. Lennox penned by Philip Appleman. Gertrude I wish that all the people who peddle God could watch my mother die: could see the skin and gristle weighing only seventy-nine, every stubborn pound of flesh a small death. I wish the people who peddle God could see her young, lovely in gardens and beautiful in kitchens, and could watch the hand of God slowly twisting her knees and fingers till they gnarled and knotted, settling in for thirty years of pain. I wish the people who peddle God could see the lightning of His cancer stabbing her, that small frame tensing at every shock, her sweet contralto scratchy with the Lord’s infection: Philip, I want to die. I wish I had them gathered round, those preachers, popes, rabbis, imams, priests - every pious shill on God’s payroll - and I would pull the sheets from my mother’s brittle body, and they would fall on their knees at her bedside to be forgiven all their faith.

[@kennethgee2004]

I would pray for your soul since you are alive. You are faced with the problem of nature evil. Cancer hits us as Christians as well. My father died of a faulty heart. We all die at some point; it is only a matter of how and when. What does not having God in this world do for your suffering? Dr Lennox says it removes all hope. At least with Christianity there is a life after this, in which we can see our loved ones. What is faith though? What is hope? You have faith in atheism? Do you have hope in anything?

[@prems1545]

Jesus Christ Never existed end of discussion

[@audrakoch431]

The historicity for Jesus is so strong that even Richard Dawkins concludes that he at least existed. Atheist New Testament scholar Bart Ehrman would correct you on this as well. You would have to have a very strong bias to conclude otherwise.

[@interactive1178]

God is good 🙏

[@stevenwiederholt7000]

@prems1545 I have heard it said "That Even Trolls Love Rock & Roll." Is this true?

[@ndeepowder]

Lenox Is a diluted old man who just loves the Jesus fairytale

[@audrakoch431]

If you’re going to make an ad hominem attack, at least try to make less than three spelling/grammar errors in one sentence. Otherwise others are bound to use the same fallacy against you! ;) I’d also recommend to at least take the arguments seriously and watch the whole video with an open mind (if only to understand the other side).