#TheLadDebate

[@girlwriteswhat]

50:00 If I were a young woman who'd been separated from my boyfriend at a party, and then gotten drunk and propositioned 5 guys to have sex with me, and then led them to a dorm restroom and had sex with most of them, and then upon returning to my room all disheveled carrying my shoes to find my boyfriend worried and frantic, I might say I'd been raped. Upon his urging, I might file a report, and then be encouraged by my university's women's center to pursue it, right up until the moment the police inform me that one of the young men had recorded the entire encounter and there was nothing nonconsensual about it. If I were a young woman in that position, I might be willing to say those things in order to keep my boyfriend from knowing I cheated and keep everyone else from knowing I'd banged a bunch of guys in a bathroom. If I were that young woman, I might have sent 5 young men to prison for up to 20 years each, had one of them not decided he had a girlfriend, and so rather than participate he would film it all on his cell phone. This man, this professor, thinks women are infallible. They are each up there with the pope and god. None of them would lie, none of them would recontextualize their memories to minimize their own responsibility, none of them would ever do a single thing wrong. They are angels on pedestals, and their word should be law. And all men are guilty as charged, so long as its a female finger pointing at them. Of course he doesn't want to pathologize all men. He just wants to pathologize every man who's ever annoyed any woman ever.

[@captnhuffy]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@girlwriteswhat]

captnhuffy That's a point by point account of Hofstra.

[@mrpleb1922]

Jimmy Dreams use the word they use to describe such men. He is a misogynist, he believes women don't have the agency to things other than act as delicate creatures. If people actually believed like the did who would hire women to lead things? People have to make tough descisions and sometimes there are no easy answers. If women behaved as he described they would panic and be offended and everyone must change instantly. If they only listen to academic jargon then use academic jargon. He fails the very thing he rails against. There is no perspective where this guy actually fulfills the "women are people too" slogan.

[@KainYusanagi]

mr pleb The term you want is sexist. Misogyny is an irrational hatred of all females.

[@mrpleb1922]

im deliberatly using the words they would use. Communicating in a way they understand. If they want to be retarded and smear everyone with that word well... Im just trying to be as feminist as i possibly can

[@girlwriteswhat]

"Laddism" according to the stuffy academic, is an extreme masculinity, therefore a problem. Yet Yiannopolous specifically indicated that a probable cause of young men going to this extreme is that there is no access for boys to engage with more moderate forms of masculinity growing up. That is, society wants boys to behave like girls in school and society: Sit still, raise your hand and wait to be called on, and here's a crap-ton of the open-ended classwork that girls prefer. Oh and skinned knees happen during recess so we're getting rid of that, and let's not forget that roaming the neighborhood is dangerous (OMG pedophiles!) so it's only organized, supervised activities for you! You boys might tend to learn better kinetically and competitively, but kinetic learning feels chaotic to female teachers and makes for a noisy classroom, and competition hurts girls' feelings, so that's out. And don't forget, we have zero tolerance for any roughhousing or conflict--all such incidents will be stopped immediately and sorted out by an adult in authority, and who cares whether that means you'll grow up with no idea how to resolve conflicts on your own? It makes things much more comfortable for the girl students and the female teachers, so that's what we're going to do. Remember, hierarchies are bad, because boys operate better than girls within them. Almost all your teachers are female, the only male in the school is a principal you don't want anything to do with, and chances are you have no father in your home. So then you have these boys, deprived of any and all healthy access to functional masculinity when they're young, hitting puberty. They get a flood of hormones that promote risk-taking behavior (researchers establish average age of the onset of puberty 100 years ago by onset of menarche in girls, and by spikes in injuries for boys), and suddenly you have young men experiencing all kinds of biologically driven masculine urges and forces that are not as easily crushed as they were in 8 year olds, and oh my gosh, we are shocked and appalled that these young men are "misbehaving"? They're behaving like obnoxious thugs! Well, when did they learn how to behave like men? When was anyone interested in teaching them how when they were younger, and cultivating and channelling their natural masculinity? More than this, these young men are now immersed in a world where women go out and get hammered, start fights, squat to piss in the street and hook up with random guys--all without the smallest hint of the level of consequences men operate under when behaving similarly. Show me ONE woman who is on a sex offender registry for pissing in public, and I'll eat my hat. Laddette culture is a function of "girl power" female-positive permissiveness pushed to extremes, an ethic of "anything goes, and no judgement is allowed", while Lad culture seems to be an unavoidable blowback from the attempted emasculation of boys prior to puberty--a function of the opposite dynamic, a strict, non-permissive and male-negative environment in which boys are expected to operate while their spirits are being ruthlessly suffocated. Not even three minutes into this interview, and I'm almost positive this academic is clueless.

[@vipaulus1683]

Karen hit it right on the head.

[@waynegoldpig2220]

"Laddism"? Welcome to 1995 (in the UK, anyway).

[@DragonTigerBoss]

karen straughan Thank you.

[@shaunpatrick8345]

How did it happen that female behaviour is seen as the gold standard at school and female traits are the most prized in the corporate world but girls are encouraged to take on masculine roles - reject homemaking, go into STEM, play sport etc? And making toys "for girls" is bad (they should play with Lego not Barbie, who should be a scientist not a princess). It's a weird mix of misandry and misogyny.

[@Ghost_Text]

karen straughan ugh. Milo's opponent reminds me of The Architect in The Matrix. IMO fundamentally disregarding human nature to protect a rad fem narrative. Is it any of their business to redefine male nature? We're not robots to be programmed to one's narrow standard of civility. These crit theorists are proposing a society full of fearful, collectivist, and inactive 'yes dears'. The more democratic a society is, the more expressive and yes 'boisterous' (when was boisterous ever a crime?) independent actors will come as a result. Ruling in favor of hypersensitive in-actors, who don't seek to dominate in society but prefer a soft society, and the path of least resistance is merely the catalyst for robbing many of their own civil liberties.

[@SargonofAkkad]

This was an incredible demolition job by Milo. This critical theory professor just got smashed, absolutely smashed, his argument effectively became "I don't agree because I don't agree" as Milo handled him like a professional, providing specific, concrete reasons and never falling into any of the traps. As I said on Twitter, it felt like I was watching the Battle of Cannae, as the Carthaginian Milo envelopes the Roman Koulouris. Outstanding job.

[@MichaelRusso]

When professionals use ideology instead of science to make decisions, you will always have problems.

[@DavidSharp2201]

I felt harassed by this professor's behaviour, should I call the police on you, Prof?

[@coloneljak42_]

Sargon of Akkad Do you expect any less by a Super Saiyan?

[@sadimasochist4543]

Does anyone else think that Milo looks like Ozmandius from " watchmen "? Because he has the suit, hair, wicked good looks and the Brain to match.

[@wiesonoez3038]

Sargon of Akkad I'd disagree. This debate is a good example of two sides talking past each other... Given another environment and more time i believe they would get more common ground on the discussed topics. For me, the biggest offender was the misconception of "if x feels harassed, it's a problem" vs. "if x feels harassed, x is harassed" - this is BS. Of course there is a *problem*, but it might be the problem of person x. Don't automaticly assume the "source" is beeing it. Sidenote: women.equals("man") == false -- but women.value == man.value. That disctinction would make this a little bit easier, wouldn't it? Of course, in history it was woman.value > man.value, ... I realize now this is something which could cover a book volume, so scratch that simplification. Where is the incredible demolition here? Or maybe you tried to understand only one side of the argument... I'd agree that the prof is going way of the debated context though, milo does too as a response (mostly?). Imo it was pathetic, derailed debate.

[@Japy456]

"If she feels harassed, she has been." This attitude is EVERYTHING that is wrong with modern society. EVERYTHING.

[@Born2007]

+Phil Howson This comment harasses me! Report to your nearest "teach men not to harass/rape" class immediately!

[@Japy456]

TSB sad part is, a lot of people think that way... D:

[@adonizi]

+Phil Howson Agreed. This kind of thinking is very dangerous.

[@tag_of_frank]

+Phil Howson If you feel scared at night when you're alone.... Then evil spirits MUST be harassing you. It cant POSSIBLY be that your emotions are wrong.

[@urgandma]

+Phil Howson I swear the moment I heard that, I already knew this fucker wasn't worth listening. This "educator" is one of them...

[@ki11joyac3]

Milo: "Why am I even here?" Milo can speak for me on these issues any day. He's there because he's great at discussing this kind of thing.

[@0ldSch00l13]

Illustrator Artist He's also there because, as he said, a straight male would be crucified for speaking the truth like that.

[@nejtilsvampe]

Kese C a straight _white_ male would certainly, a black man might stand a chance idk.

[@diilavery4825]

nejtilsvampe A think a black guy would still have to argue his point whereas for Milo seems to make good use of "Oh piss off" without actually saying it :D

[@j.fowler1233]

nejtilsvampe just look at tommy sotomayor and you'd have your answer.

[@mattburzinski6422]

This was like watching a blonde, gay rottweiler maul a fat, scruffy cat.

[@rickpur100]

Ha!

[@Ryodakun]

+Matt Burzinski A very faboulous blonde gay rottweiler

[@jadequeen6714]

+Matt Burzinski hahahahaaa! Love the blonde rottweiler though!

[@mariokarter13]

Nothing quite like getting dominated by a gay man.

[@jmdomaniii]

I just want to say the moderator did a good job.

[@Keiji555]

John Doman If only more moderators were like her during debates.

[@SuperPerfection7]

John Doman I believe she is part of the few from the high IQ range.

[@jameswilliams4706]

John Doman I think she did better than some more eminent people like Dimbleby.

[@horrorjunkie92]

John Doman She was good but I think that's because she didn't follow anything they were saying.

[@boreopithecus]

John Doman Yes, she actually let these Greek gods speak.

[@FrancisRoyCA]

Milo is a rather strong speaker on these issues. Overall, this was an excellent talk.

[@TripleAlphaTalks]

It's great they fed this guy to the blond lion. I think our darling Milo was getting hungry.

[@FrancisRoyCA]

Triple Alpha _" It's great they fed this guy to the blond lion."_ Milo is not Jamie Lannister, the King Slayer! (I'm currently listening to A Song of Fire and Ice from which Game of Thrones is produced.)

[@TripleAlphaTalks]

I'm not big on GRRM's writing style but damn if the show isn't good. Funny thing is, I wasn't even thinking about Lannister when I wrote that.

[@FrancisRoyCA]

Oddly enough, this is one of those rare instances where the movie is better than the book. Then again, books with very large casts of characters are difficult to write, I imagine.

[@gstalbert5449]

karen straughan can confirm

[@OpethTheater3]

As a young man, 23, in America, I would like to thank Milo Yiannopoulos for saying the things I only feel safe telling my family and closest friends.

[@KnIf0rTITAN]

Nice to see Milo being Based as always.... he is right, like he said, if Milo was not gay he would not get away with saying the things he said in this video.

[@drooleybob]

KnIf0rTITAN It's an hour long video. Can you tell me who won?

[@KnIf0rTITAN]

Oh Milo, not even close, that guy got rekt hard. Milo had him on the back foot the entire hour.... well worth veiw if you got the time.

[@drooleybob]

KnIf0rTITAN That's okay. I'm good. :)

[@MistrDamige]

drooleybob Dr Koulouris is *completely* out of his depth. His enunciation is filled with stuttering and his vocabulary is cluttered with time filling devices (like "I just want to say this") which have the sole function of filling time while he crafts a response. Milo, by contrast, speaks clearly and directly. While Dr Koulouris often rambles to the point where the listener has no idea what he was trying to say, Milo is to the point and his ideas are expressed in such a way that the listener will have no difficulty comprehending his point. Unfortunately, this means that the debate didn't settle much. All it showed was that Milo is a superior debater and that Dr Koulouris has little or no experience in this format.

[@drooleybob]

MistrDamige I wish if this were a BBC debate I would be glad at the outreach of the things Milo addresses.

[@FrancisRoyCA]

At about 20:30 Koulouris: _At what point does a young man become 'offensive'?_ What a stupid question. At what point does a pile become a heap? A string get long? This kind of statement can only make sense in the context of the one being offended, and the presupposition is that it is the woman who is getting offended, therefor the blame for an offence is determined by the accuser. Worse yet, it implies that the accusation is in fact a legitimate charge, and one that deserves to be addressed to the degree that a political ideology is required to handle it. This is an example of the most self-serving, weasily presuppositional approach to arguing a topic while failing to clearly specify the root assumption: that boys and men's behaviour must be controlled to the satisfaction of women and that failing to do so is a significant affront, not only to the individual, but the class. Put more simply: to the degree that a man does not bend the knee to a woman, she is a victim. This is akin to claiming that failing to cower when slapped is assault. I reject the premise, and propose an alternative: that adults who live in a complex social world are responsible for their own thoughts, feelings, choices and are accountable for creating the outcome of their own lives based on their own actions.

[@girlwriteswhat]

Francis Roy Have I told you yet how much I appreciate the things you write?

[@FrancisRoyCA]

karen straughan _"Have I told you yet how much I appreciate the things you write?"_ What a nice thing to say. The appreciation is mutual. I look forward to the day when we show the pitcher of beer that dares to stand between us who'se the boss.

[@girlwriteswhat]

Francis Roy You're in eastern Canada, aren't you? If you ever feel like heading out this way, I've got a home-cooked meal from a former first cook in a five star restaurant and some beer/wine on offer. :)

[@CrouchingShiba]

To me, it seemed like he was trying to bait Milo into saying something offensive.

[@FrancisRoyCA]

karen straughan Woo! /me clicks his heels three times "There's no place like Karen's home, there's no place like Karen's home, there's no place like... Awww. f*cking shoes! And wouldn't you know, the warranty _just_ expired." I look forward to it one day :)

[@iEnjoiPooping]

What women feel has nothing to do with facts. Milo is always right.

[@aquious953]

Your god damn right, bro!

[@BigDBrian]

+Shooter McGavin yes, and no. In that order. Do not take anybody to always be right.

[@sloththegammer1975]

+la cri couple of sentences in, I call bullshit, girls lie (especially with rape) just to ruin men's lives

[@irfanchowdhury4983]

Napoleon is always right.

[@Kaslabarak]

Facts>Feelings.

[@girlwriteswhat]

If women feel harassed then they are harassed. Goddamnit, I feel harassed by the mere existence of this professor. Could someone please assemble a tribunal on my behalf? Because I feeeeeeel very harassed. He's made me uncomfortable. Surely something should be done! God. I was never so happy my kids aren't in college/university. And I'll be recommending online universities for them, because this is absolutely astounding. As glib as Milo might sound when he says the only difference between what is harassment and what isn't is whether the woman is attracted to the man, it's absolutely true.

[@DiviousVicious]

karen straughan You are obviously triggered and should use this power for good.

[@GordBirch]

I really have to give you an A+ just for making it through, I found it hard to get past the intro about "Boisterous" and the blonde guy saying men have had this privilege I am at the beginning and I want to shut it off, knowing an hour of being this angry, while I am looking after my son, might not be healthy for me Peace

[@lmaololroflcopter]

It must feel weird for you to be licking Milo's boots in the comments and then three years later it turns out he was networking with an actual neo-Nazi.

[@zkilla2924]

@@lmaololroflcopter there was no neo nazi points made in this video and milo had great arguments so what u said doesnt matter at all. Also u should calm down :P

[@GreatSmithanon]

Milo completely wins this debate, in my opinion. He quickly and usually succinctly dismantles opposing arguments. Absolutely love it.

[@mitchelld3]

As a 20 year old male, i completely agree with Milo. Coming in to college my classmates and I were called to assembly and warned that if we overstepped our bounds we could be arrested and that the university would not protect us. We're living in a rape culture where women are afraid to walk around campus at night and young men are afraid of themselves, thinking we will be branded as creeps for so much as talking to women.

[@BarbarossaSC2]

+Mitchell Dunn Careful with the phrase "we're living in a rape culture".. Preface it adequately and honestly with, "we're living in a falsely deduced "rape culture" (air quotes necessary), where very little rape is actually taking place."

[@johnandrews8293]

+Menmatters The shameful part is the people who perpetuate the rape culture fallacy ignore actual rape cultures in many other countries, primarily in the middle east and Africa.

[@SergioGreyKnight]

+Mitchell Dunn I had those feelings exactly. It scary huh? How you suddenly get dipped into this strange parallel dimension where men are evil but you cannot for the life of you think of how this is reflective of reality.

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

+Mitchell Dunn That is tragic. I went to college in the 70s and I cannot even remember a thought about such things. People are people, and you get to know what who is like for yourself. The professor saying he does not accept there is such a thing as a masculine virtue is astounding (at about 1 hr 2 mins). Not only do men have salient virtues (and vices), so do women. So do individuals. Perhaps we need all to stop trying to be what we are not and just be ourselves. Yes, I was aware of sexism in 'my day', but it usually took the form of dodgy remarks from professors and certainly never from my contemporaries although there were some obnoxious characters about! Students spent most of their time talking, eating and living together. Not only did we not have internet and phone distractions, we hardly ever watched TV or even went out for coffee or a meal - perhaps those more natural limits caused us to have a more natural experience of each other. No wonder people as so unrealistic nowadays….

[@common101sense]

This was a solid discussion. Both guys were respectful enough, they both listened and interrupted without being obnoxious and the moderator didn't have an ego and let the conversation move organically.

[@FrancisRoyCA]

Koulouris keeps repeating "If you _feel_ offended, there has been an offence." The word offense has multiple meanings. The two most pertinent are: "The act of causing anger, resentment, displeasure, or affront." "A violation or infraction of a moral or social code; a transgression or sin." It appears that he wishes to conflate the two. One good way to deal with this is when one hears the word "offended" is to ask "Do you intend to communicate personal displeasure or the infraction of some established code?" Doing so will immediately put both people's feet back on the ground rather than airy, fluff -space. The dictionary: it's your friend.

[@sinisterben]

Francis Roy That feeling when you want to watch someone's videos and you find out they don't make any. I guess I have to demand you comment more instead. I hope you like stalkers.

[@FrancisRoyCA]

sinisterben I keep thinking that I should do videos, but the bases have all been covered, which essentially leaves little more the colour commentary, which, within moments of an article or video coming out attracts all of the usual suspects essentially making the same points. I find that I operate much better as a conversational collaborator. There are those, such as bar bar who impress me to no end with their ability to remain not only prolific, but pithily pertinent (forgive the alliteration.) If I had that gift, or functional knowledge, I'd be doing them.

[@MrGenedancingmachine]

This isn't a debate. This is one person educating another.

[@jeco0357]

"If we operate society on the basis of hurt feelings... we will see a society that looks like twitter." -Milo Yiannopoulos 2015

[@ithinkmynameismoo5e]

Watching Milo debate has made me a better man in nearly every avenue of life.

[@AutomaticDuck300]

Milo is a real lad

[@girlwriteswhat]

Christ. The guy is cherry picking with the onesies. But aside from that, Milo is right, yet again. Men are allowed to find certain things attractive in women, *just as women are allowed to find certain things attractive in men*. So we have this "body guilt gap" of which women are the victims, because they seek to fulfill what men tend to want in women. And then we have this "wage gap" of which women are the victims, because men seek to fulfill what women tend to want in men... Hmmm.... I'm spotting a pattern here. No matter what happens, women are the victims of it--heck, women are even the victims of their own mating standards!

[@ott1186]

'If I'm offended, then I'm offended.' So if I say 'beards are silly' and you say that deeply offends you, then I should be chastised?

[@girlwriteswhat]

***** How DARE you say such a thing??!! My boyfriend has a wild and woolly beard, and I cry every time he has to shave it off for work. You belong in jail. :P

[@ott1186]

I'm about to shave mine. My gf loves my beard and I say I have to cut it for work ;)

[@Kheapathic]

"That's why it takes gay guys to stick up for boys." You magnificent bastard.

[@generico366]

I admire Milo because he has the balls to say what men fear to say, and is willing to destroy his reputation to fix what's wrong in society. He is the hero that men need.

[@KevinSolway]

"A society that runs on hurt feelings" Oh what a joy.

[@patrickjamesbissett2910]

You can see the point at 20 minutes into the video where Milo wins the debate. Koulouris tries, and fails, to drag Milo into reductionist quicksand by having him draw a line between acceptable and unacceptable behaviour. If that line is drawn, Koulouris can then move the argument away from an examination of broader social phenomena, and into a muddying discussion based on anecdote and subjectivity. And, if there's one thing that critical theorists love to do - it's to lurk in the liminal spaces between reality and fantasy. You gotta hand it to Milo - he knows how to play possum. He presents himself as a somewhat raffish, cheeky character - but there's a real, very serious intellect lying beneath. Koulouris found that out too late.

[@Scripetube]

Patrick James Bissett Yes, I agree and even in the comments here he continues to point out that Milo wouldn't take his bait as if that was somehow evidence that supports his position. What I love most about Milo is that when he starts talking rapidly he is actually making his points and isn't just trying to filibuster or start talking nonsense to hog up time like many people do in debates.

[@NYGiantsFtw1]

Damn it Milo, @ 29:50'ish when you guys talked about what makes men more competitive/risk taking/dominant -- I kept shouting testosterone. I haven't finished the video yet but I hope you tell him that. It's the #1 sexual dimorphic difference between the sexes. Men have nearly 10-12 times more testosterone running in their body than women. It's why we're more technical/less communicative/more solid in the mind and body (us being the solid ying, women being the fluid yang). It's also why we flood prisons, and make up the majority of criminals and deliquents in the world.

[@katiposcotty]

Women also don't have the 'Y' chromosome witch is why women can't invent or create bugger all

[@zacotb]

Aziz Mohamed True, there have been studies that show that risk is connected to testosterone. It's also why women hardly invent or innovate.

[@DragonTigerBoss]

***** TBH Milo would do it better.

[@Croix1]

Aziz Mohamed no, he knows about this and chose to not say it for obvious reasons. like he said, we barely know jack shit about the exact biological differences vs the cultural ones. a lot of ideas about testosterone is speculation, and he was smart to not tread on thin ice like that. he didn't need to. a lot of people who are strongly against feminism use dimorphism as an argument a lot, but there is almost no proper scientific consensus about it. i agree with most of milo's points, but if you want to make a logically and scientifically sound argument you can NOT include "men are better biologically" into it. i'm not saying i know how much nature affects us compared to nurture, i'm saying nobody does. and before you come out talking about the studies where babies were more inclined to play with mechanical shit and girls watch peoples faces more, really think about exactly how much that proves. again, not saying it isn't interesting, but think about exactly how sound it is scientifically as some sort of proof.

[@NYGiantsFtw1]

Croix I think testosterone can explain alot, but not everything -- you're right about that.

[@laughsquad007]

"club a woman and drag her back to your cave" I'm pretty sure that's not what happened or humans would have went extinct.

[@Metaldude1945]

NestorTheMolestor I'm glad i'm not the only one who thought that. I mean, does he really think it went down like that? Where does he get that image from? It's such a ridiculous notion. If you would look at other animals for example, you wouldn't see that. Then why the heck would that have happened back then? Let me guess, Prehistoric Homo Sapiens privilege? Jesus christ.

[@markmce7464]

NestorTheMolestor Yes, I demand the Dr provides first hand evidence of this.

[@Valchrist1313]

NestorTheMolestor An important thing to remember is that in early societies men died more often than women, either in competition with each other, tribal clashes, or hunting. There would have been a relative abundance of women in most tribes, the only offset being child-birth. Even a 10% maternal mortality rate would give most women a comparatively long life-span.

[@Metaldude1945]

Even in some more recent tribes, such as many Native American tribes, there were a lot more women than men. There was such a surplus of women as a matter of fact, a lot of tribes used had polygamy in their culture.

[@AM-qz6cm]

Metaldude1945 he watched cartoons.

[@IYragFreedom]

Oh god professor on critical theory. Expecting social justice bullshit

[@Proxyincognito]

Jungleman "If women feel harrassed, there are harrassed." How right you are..

[@jamesformigli9367]

Wijnha01 As a man, I feel harassed. "Too bad, you have male privilege that makes you responsible for everything wrong in society, it's impossible for you to ever experience negativity because you have a penis!"

[@girlwriteswhat]

Winter Storm Agreed. They've defined terms in such a way as to completely invalidate any counterargument or skepticism from the get-go. Consider "problematization", a tool of postmodern discourse: To problematize a statement, for example, one asks simple questions:Who is making this statement? [a white straight man]For whom is he or she making it? [for white straight men]Why is this statement being made here, now? [because privilege]Whom does this statement benefit? [privileged white straight men]Whom does it harm? [if it benefits white straight men, it marginalizes minorities] Hey presto and voila! One has just "problematized" the statement. Now, one need not consider how accurate or applicable the statement is. So what if it's true--it's "problematic". And unlike ad hominem fallacies, in which we dismiss an argument based on some personal attribute of the speaker, in problematization we can dismiss an argument based on whatever motivations, intentions and implications we choose to impute on him due to his personal attributes. See the difference? If you squint hard enough, I'm sure you will. Here's another hilarious one: one element of "rape culture" is the denial of some individuals or institutions of the existence of widespread rape. That there are people (no matter their credentials) out there who claim rape is not epidemic is not evidence that rape is not epidemic--it's actually proof that rape is both epidemic AND normalized. The more people question whether we actually live in a "rape culture", the more "proof" we have of "rape culture". Also, Satan planted the fossil record intentionally to weaken people's faith in God. The more you bring up the fact that we have a fossil record going back hundreds of millions of years, the more a young earth creationist can say--"Ah HAH! That actually PROVES the earth is only a few thousand years old! Because denialists only prove the existence of Satan and his nefarious schemes to generate unbelief through manipulation of the fossil record! BAM!" It's called Kafka trapping: “Your refusal to acknowledge that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…} confirms that you are guilty of {sin,racism,sexism, homophobia,oppression…}.” If you deny male privilege is a thing, well that proves you're privileged because privilege is invisible to those who have it. If you deny rape culture is a thing, you're actually contributing to rape culture. If you say God doesn't exist, you prove He does, because He warned us against unbelievers who would have the seductive tongues of snakes. There's no logic to any of it, only circular reasoning ending with a perceived "gotcha!" that makes no sense to a dispassionate observer.

[@1337penguinman]

karen straughan the funny thing is humanity has always had people that pull this. yet we've forgotten how to deal with it. This is the crap the inquisition used to pull. Confess or we'll punish you until you do. Or, on a lighter note, the Emperor's New Clothes. Only idiots can't see them.

[@girlwriteswhat]

1337penguinman Throw the witch into the river. If she floats, she's a witch and we can burn her. If she drowns, she wasn't a witch... oh well...

[@Nakedwow]

Everything that professor said offended me. We have a problem here!!!

[@xenomancer1]

Notice how the guy in glasses *can't* admit to there being issues that men face without requiring that women be mentioned as facing issues as well. He *has* to see it as a homogenized class of issues to contemplate. He is refusing to narrow down any problem to address in specific terms.

[@girlwriteswhat]

44:35 What if a given man has a problem with a certain behavior of a certain woman? Does that mean that de facto there is an objective problem with that woman? For instance, what if said man thinks said woman is being "bossy"? Does this mean there's a problem with the woman's behavior, or with the man's perception of her behavior, or his level of tolerance? Why oh why if we are expected to ban a word like "bossy" even when young women are being bossy because the problem is with the word and the prevailing attitude rather than the young woman, why should we not be looking to ban the word "harassment", since it's just as easily argued that the problem is with the word and the prevailing attitude and not the young man? "Jackie" is a liar. OMG, I just called a "rape victim" a liar! And while she obviously and demonstrably DID lie, that's no reason to call her a liar! What a bad person I am! I'm probably guilty of "harassment"! Meanwhile, the entire fraternity that has been falsely accused of being rapists, every single one of them as it was framed as the price of admission for members in the Rolling Stone article... well, if they object, they're probably harassers too. Remember, denying that rape is widespread or being skeptical of rape claims is evidence of rape culture. Holy shit, I might have just thought-raped someone just now! Everything this "professor" says amounts to "my side of the debate is determined by "feelz"--if a woman feels she was harassed, then she was harassed and countless women are harassed I don't know the numbers but I know it's lots, but if you say women use their sexuality as a weapon, I'm going to need some hard numbers or I can dismiss everything you say. Give me hard statistics to counter my ephemeral feelings-based assertions, or else I don't have to listen to you." Does this dude have tenure?

[@Kawlinz]

Maybe not tenure but definitely a mental defect.

[@mrpleb1922]

karen straughan don't debate rationally with him that isn't what he does. Use the critical theory to debunk critical theory he is putting women on a pedistal and thus he is diminishing the agency of women. He sees women as having less agency than men. He is a misogynist it is clear from his words and his priorities. He sees women as needed to be saved. He is literally reinforcing his patriarchal attitudes onto society. He is the patriarchy and we must smash the patriarchy.

[@jmomm]

Dr Theo seems to not know his stuff lol. His students should ask for a refund.

[@Gryphyn3]

This guy is a professor? I thought professors are supposed to be critical thinkers yet this one can't understand concepts about what is happening in society and what is happening on his own campus.

[@Realthx]

+Gry Phyn I simply dont think he was very prepared, he came with a few bullshit studies and thought he could get through it without research.

[@Gryphyn3]

You don't have to be "prepared" to have an open mind to different ideas. This guy wasn't. He wouldn't even consider that the nonsense feminists push is actually wrong. He got upset a few times when Milo quoted facts.

[@Realthx]

Gry Phyn Yeah well he had a load of pre built assumptions that he'd never challenged and was slow to accept new ideas, he seemed like someone who could be saved if people like milo got to talk with him more outside of the debate format

[@Gryphyn3]

Realthx Problem is that when you are indoctrinated to set of beliefs, it is extremely hard for someone to move away from that and accept concepts and ideas that go against the indoctrination. A prof is supposed to be open to new ideas and debate. That is what universities are actually for. To expand the mind and explore concepts and ideas. I just found he really couldn't even comprehend what Milo was saying in some of the examples Milo was giving him. You could see him get angry a little with it.

[@MrDioXIII]

+Gry Phyn What youve said about indoctrination is correct, Ive had PhD qualified professors IN LAW quote both the 1/5 women on college are raped on campus and the 84 cents as evidence for the patriarchy, both of which have been shown to be taken out of context and quoted as fact by feminists. When someone questioned them, they were asked to leave. Impossible to try to get these people to think openly about new ideas, if it doesn't fit their world view, they reject it

[@Ghostybuttery]

Can we appreciate for a minute how great the mediator, Lauren Dawkins, was here. So often when these issues are debated they end up favouring one side, interjecting needlessly, giving their favoured person more time to talk, expressing their own opinions and ruin the debate. Dawkins was very professional, only interrupted when was required and, as a result, an extremely interesting talk took place. Well done!

[@jedschipper6790]

I agree she does a great job. And she’s very attractive. She makes me feel boisterous.

[@heel09152]

33:50 - "and that's why it takes a gay guy to stick up for the boys." Completely hit the nail on the head with that one. I'm a straight male mixed race and I'm fully aware that my ethnicity is my only ticket to being allowed an opinion amongst extreme left circles.

[@Ratchet140896]

Milo was fantastic here. All his arguments were well-reasoned, and he confidently answered any rebuttal made. By the end, all the professor could say was "w-well I don't agree at all". Moderator did a fine job as well, making sure to keep it on topic but gave the debate enough room to flow.

[@lordshell]

From all the men out here to Milo: Thanks.

[@kill_screen]

I sometimes have my doubts about Milo's point of view, but this is pure gold. I have been thinking and trying to figure out alot of things Milo addresses, and he brings some very solid points to the table. I hardly ever witnessed a debate this strong about these issues. Well done Milo

[@SeanieVoiceOver]

Milo you're a much needed breath of fresh air

[@TPQ1980]

35:43. If women perceive something as harassment, then it *is* harassment. That is probably the most insane thing I've heard. Do people really believe this? This basically makes *anything* "harassment" if somebody chooses to believe it is!

[@punkson]

I am currently a 19 year old male in the US and I have to say this is completely true. I am very careful in my own social life for fear of ruining my life because of some false accusation about sexual assault. No one would hire me and certainly no one else would be willing to try a relationship.

[@gpheonix1]

the video where a man is being badgeered for having a hula girl on his dashboard is extremely relevant here.

[@mrpotatohed4]

@Punk Punkson - I find this to be an exaggeration many people make. I obviously don't like this imaginary rape culture that is created but you claiming to be terrified in social situations of being accused of rape seems implausible. However I can't relate at all even though I am also a 19 year old male; I just don't entirely believe you.

[@talsapps]

Punk Punkson do you go to a university?

[@fukpoeslaw3613]

Morris half naked brown skinned hula girls don't belong in white men's cars, it's inappropriate; he probably kidnapped her from under her palm tree; it's racist, it's sexist, it's inappropriatist!

[@deeplorable8988]

Milo is by far the best speaker on mens issues. He's a lighting fast thinker, has tremendous knowledge on the subject, and frankly doesnt give a shit about speaking his mind. He destroyed this eunuch in every phase. I almost felt sorry for the bumbling idiot.

[@gregroberts4910]

Beautiful destruction by Milo. Thanks for what you do. Part of me wants to share this with young men to help them escape the Matrix, but then I remember: "You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

[@agonyuncle879]

Milo stifled the "Dr" at every turn with facts and data. It's nice to see civil discourse that didn't devolve into name calling I must say

[@jojo94101]

The best quote from that supposed intellectual Dr Theodore Koulouris is "I don't know what to say." That is very clear from the first 10 minutes of this video to be quite honest.

[@SW-fk3rb]

Milo absolutely demolished this debate, wow. Also that was perhaps the most professional moderator I have ever seen.

[@Obswalq]

Milo dropping truth bombs left and right!

[@slightlytwistedagain]

As someone who was in the building industry for 15 years, have City & Guilds qualification in plumbing and have plenty of female friends, I can say that most women don't want to do front line construction work because they don't like long traveling, don't like to get dirty and don't like the idea of lifting heavy equipment and materials. In all my plumbing career I have only ever seen two female plumbers, one was in the college class before I joined, the other was who I had a job interview with. On construction sites you do get women in offices but are very few. Skilled construction work pays extremely well with many that have my skills become rich and some even become millionaires. When you get research that says women get paid less than men you NEVER EVER hear about the jobs that can make you rich. If you presented to students with results of pay output from jobs you might get women more involved in the jobs men mainly do. Also most women I know prefer bad boys. Milo is right that submissive men are not attractive to most women. The ones that can get away with being submissive are pretty boys, if a bloke is ugly and submissive he's down in the disposable bin unless he's got cash. Sounds harsh what I'm saying but to those that think I'm wrong I ask you this. Would you be attracted to a man who is submissive, dull, ugly and has no money or aspirations in life, someone you will have to look after? They are called losers for a reason.

[@girlwriteswhat]

59:00 Nothing to do with radical feminism, for the 6th or 7th time. Methinks he dost protest too much.

[@steel0koala]

"If they perceive it as harrasment then it is harrasment" -Dr Theo HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH You hear that guys!?! Reality is not dictated by personal fealing. I perceive myself as Batman, so not I am Batman. This man is what is wrong with academia. I wish Milo had turned the argument around on him and said "I perceive what you just said as homophobic."

[@ArunSivasankaran1701]

Mind_Map_of_a_Geek Don't be silly. I am Batman.

[@Volkuz109]

I personally know Dr. Koulouris and I must say that this debate isn't what people should base their opinions of him on. I also should say Milo made very good points and handled this very well and achieved victory in this topic, but Dr. Koulouris is a very intelligent man and deserves to be heard. Thank you for taking your time to read this comment

[@cristop5]

I quite liked this debate. There was an actual expoloration of ideas. Koulouris was able to listen to what Yiannopoulos was saying and keep his cool. I doubt he'd ever heard a non-PC point of view before.

[@BarbarossaSC2]

Koulouris is so out of his element. Uninformed at best. The fact that his default position is that the men are overly aggressive and the women are always innocent and being attacked speaks volumes of his bias. He can't even start from the position of neutrality.

[@aquious953]

He's a professor, so what else can be expected from these PC.a-holes.

[@Hmmm-13]

+Theodore M. K. (BarbarossaSC2) What is, perhaps, more fascinating is that he thinks biology has absolutely nothing to with gender traits and behavior. A social constructionist is, almost by definition, wrong. Mr. Koulouris should pick up a biology book.

[@NathanDCLubb]

I feel I've been harassed by Dr Theodore Koulouris.

[@RainDrifter]

Yep, that was good! :)

[@leniamarkou3406]

I am a Greek woman, I understand, that some people have sexual dimorphism , I am a Christian and I feel Milo is a honest person talking on different subjects,and I feel sorry that people like Theodore Koulouris exist as Academic teachers and teach students under these wrong teaching methods!

[@tylerjones1252]

I think your comment qualifies as rape. See you in court

[@Richard0292]

Mr Yiannopoulos, you are sharp as a razor. Well done! Very entertaining.

[@idcboobs]

"wh wh uh um wh um wha-um hmm milo hmm what do?mhm if i uhh um mhm wh, what about? mhm milo what if uhh"

[@jakepreston8622]

Professor Koulouris is pretty much a conversation-stopper in this one. His semantic muddling makes it impossible to debate the social issue of Western feminized society's war against boys.

[@girlwriteswhat]

20:25 What kind of behavior would be permissible? What right do women have to dictate that, sir?

[@realraven2000]

karen straughan "permissible" vs. "welcome" behaviors; these people are really the most concerned with their emotional well-being (based on their deluded over-inflated sense of self worth) over anybody else's freedom. unbelievable.

[@ButtSauceversion1]

I love you Based Milo. You're the best at this.

[@makegeorgeorwellfictionaga9268]

Wow Milo is unstoppable , great debater.

[@Ryodakun]

29:45 did the guy really just deny sexual dimorphisism? If men and women weren't different and prone to do different things, humans would have gone extinct long ago. Any animal would have.

[@trevorsanso32]

+Ryodakun I caught that too! Where he said he basically doesn't feel that men are more competitive than women - LIKE DUHHH

[@Ryodakun]

Trevor Sanso Anyone should just do a little thought experiment and think of a world where there really is no difference between men and women. What a dull and boring world would that be?

[@trevorsanso32]

The very fact that it is a purely INCONCEIVABLE (for the most part) world only proves Milo's points.

[@getbrutal4388]

Thats what the left has come to...

[@xenomancer1]

29:50 - "Well, there isn't." He said presumably with a body soaked in endogenous testosterone.

[@chriswyles553]

All I have to say is, credit to the woman hosting the debate who was completely unbiased in her questioning and avoided getting involved in what was a really interesting discussion. Unlike so many main stream TV debates! Also Milo clearly won the debate.

[@ThePhoenix9090]

This guy actually teaches people ways to prepare for debate. Wow.

[@dejakhalz]

The most important part of this discussion was this: Dr Theodore: 44:26 ''if the young woman says she has a problem with a certain kind of a behavoir, it is a problem.'' He has been reading so much crap reports that he didn't even think about the possibility that the woman could be wrong.

[@abarrister1506]

Example: I am offended feel haressed because you have a beard. I find beards very scary. Therefore we need a rule against men wearing beards on campus.

[@ijreilly01]

Holy shitballs. Milo murdered it in this one. Also, I'm finding out quite a bit about the way the British argue and/or debate. They're damn good at it and for good reason.

[@pixxit]

How magnificent to win the debate AND have the best hair in the room.

[@Nemophilist850]

Testosterone causes aggressive and competitive behaviours, there is an obvious biological basis for what Milo is saying.

[@LakeHighiii]

FINAL SCORE: Milo- 45, Koulouris 0. P.S. The perfect rebuttal for the "feeling harassed means harassment happened and action is required" argument is; If a female reports an insignificant incident as though it were real harassment, and male feels harassed by the accusation, then logically, if he states that his emotions are greater than hers, she is the one who should receive the disciplinary action against her. Unfortunately liberalism and leftism do not need logic to draw their conclusions because liberalism is a belief system based on emotion, much like organized religion. The theory that "if you just believe, it becomes real" is the antithesis of science and logic.

[@bigsbybigsby]

+Bill Deacon This is absolutely it. I see the same pattern of glossy-eyed faith-based devotion in so many "liberal" arguments as I do in religious ones. I don't have any special attachment to the word, but I have always thought that one of the defining characteristics of liberalism was treating people as individuals, not characteristics of them that they can't do anything about. The loudest liberals clearly have not grasped this concept, or they think it only applies to the "privileged." There are some canned responses I've noticed. My favorite is the one that comes out the moment they know they don't have a coherent answer: "There is just...*stutter*...SO much wrong with what you just said...I just...I just don't know where to start" (You can start anytime!) This is usually followed by irrelevant statements backed up by assumptions you can only make by drinking the kool aid, that only address claims insofar as they use some of the same words. This is followed by insisting on the purity of their motivations for making a particular argument, when in fact no one actually gives a shit about their motivations. They care about their argument. It's perhaps telling that they're so defensive, though. This is the product of years of assaulting the motivations of their opponents, which is not a real argument, and it takes no thought to put forward. And so by the time they've responded, they've quite adeptly managed to say nothing at all, added effectively nothing to the conversation and made themselves look very foolish. This is like watching Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, et al destroy religion all over again. We should all be so lucky. Christopher Hitchens put it best: "I had become too accustomed to the pseudo-Left new style, whereby if your opponent thought he had identified your lowest possible motive, he was quite certain that he had isolated the only real one. This vulgar method, which is now the norm and the standard in much non-Left journalism as well, is designed to have the effect of making any noisy moron into a master analyst."

[@jimmarcinko3323]

+Bigsby What was the question?

[@AnarchicJ]

37:36 "I'm saying they need to grow up!". Coughed up a lung laughing at that "Hit the Nail on the Head" comment from Milo

[@AngronIsAngry]

What is lad-culture? Theodore: "It's a complicated sociopolitic and socioeconomic thing." Milo: "They like booze & boobs and are loud about it." Theodore, you got schoolled.

[@romperstompist]

My Girlfiend feels that onions are terrible. Apparently onions being terrible is objective fact now.

[@rilzic]

Milo: were going to get a society that looks like twitter." Other dude: "I don't know where that came from." Host: "We're going to have to wrap this up now but please join the debate on twitter."

[@gstalbert5449]

rilzic :)

[@vanishingstone1637]

Milo is an absolute genious!

[@boriskwame]

Milo is the Man. Great content

[@Comediansbeingcringe]

The professor is obviously intellectual but is out of touch in reality. Is he serious about the sexual harassment thing? milo is spot on on that shit, literally if you're attractive you can get away with "sexual harassment" but if you're ugly hell no you're going to the pen.

[@shock9177]

nothing about him tells me hes intellectual. the more he talks, the more i think he is NOT. he's soft spoken and articulate, is that supposed to equate to intelligence? he thinks he's clever for asking milo 100 questions. every attempt at a rebuttal by him ends with a question in hopes of catching milo slipping, he ended up losing the debate.

[@nickyvengeance3654]

lool this person educates people , Milo destroyed his argument to pieces. This is a shame when you think there are many professors who think the same way.

[@barrelrolldog]

milo is the best. i don't ever need to say another word, he is doing it for me!

[@darktowergames532]

"I do not except that their is such a thing as a masculine virtue." That's a very telling statement.

[@ldrc85]

The reason that sexual harassment and sexual assault have well thought out legal definitions is so that people can't make claims based on feelings and emotions. Just because you feel something doesn't make it true.

[@rdf5356]

What wasn't said, and should have been, is that lad culture exists because of academics like this saying things like 'there is no evidence for men being more competitive than women'. It's a reaction against 40 years of trying to "re-condition" men.

[@alanfournier3071]

"Men's greatest weakness is their facade of strength. Women's greatest strength is their facade of weakness." Warren Farrell

[@blackqqt1]

Thank you, Milo. Thank you!!

[@TheBasjenator]

I like how the beard is constantly digging through his stuff and Milo's just messing with his pen.

[@inkjetlabel]

What the hell is that "survival" statistic based upon? ( 8:20 in the video) I heard something about the UK ranking lower than Lesotho in "survival," and my bullshit detector went tilt. So, I went looking. Anyhoo, per Wikipedia (Yeah, I know...and, sorry) the average lifespan for women is... 82.5 in the UK 81.4 in Cuba 62.3 in South Africa 39.5 in Lesotho Maybe the numbers shift around a bit if you eliminate deaths in infancy, but I'm still gonna call bullshit when something called "survival" apparently has nothing to do with, ya know, that thing called, umm, "surviving?" Full disclosure: The above is a partial repost of something I posted on reddit.

[@rumcious]

Baldwin Bland he's possibly referencing the World Economic Forum's report - www.weforum.org/reports/global-gender-gap-report-2014 rather than possible the UK Gov's own initiatives - www.gov.uk/think-act-report and agreed, those figures seem odd to say the least when you account for mortality rates during childbirth etc.

[@girlwriteswhat]

Baldwin Bland You might find that in the countries where life expectancies are lower for women there is a larger gap between men and women. I read a report once (forget the source--the UN?) that docked a country "equality points" because the life expectancy gap between men and women had shrunk from 7 years to 5 years (with women still in the lead). That is, when the gap was not large enough in favor of women, they deemed things less "equal". So that could be the interpretation there.

[@EmperorSigismund]

Baldwin Bland The fact he called it "survival" should've been the tip. Survival rate? Of what? Lunch, work, youtube comments? I'd be worried if people were somehow surviving life.

[@mrpleb1922]

karen straughan i am staggered how often i am shown things like this. They say feminists want equality but the mathematics they use to calculate what is or isn't a state of equality show something very different indeed. Which logic should we notice though the rheteric or the math they use?

[@cory2146]

Thanks Milo.

[@ArizonaBaySwimming]

*Well done Milo and thank you very much!* And *holy shjt* look at Mr Koulouris the *true believer* who doesn't understand what *reality actually is*, it makes me sad for him and angry at him....

[@seattle4truth]

#REKT based Milo on fucking point

[@OptiumusMagnum]

*WRECKED.* Absolutely *wrecked.* As to be expected from Milo.

[@rhettjaramillo5034]

The professor lost the debate when he said "If they perceive it as harassment, it is harassment."

[@NewKillerNetworks]

Although he lost the debate, I respect Dr Koulouris for remaining tame throughout the debate and actually listening to his opponent's points, unlike many other people Milo has debated against.

[@sevatar5762]

Koulouris initially says "When I was young I was never offensive". But then he goes on to say if a women "Feels" offended then she has been. So how can he say that he was never offensive? By his own definition of how offense works how does he know that any of the behaviors he exhibited in his youth were not deemed offensive by someone? Milo is right when he says Koulouris is attempting come from a position of Moral superiority. Otherwise how can he argue that he was never offensive in the same breathe as saying only those that feel offended can define what offensive behavior is.

[@24mlc]

44:25 Milo smacks down the "if she thinks it's harassment then it's harassment" lie.

[@TrustYouMe]

Ladies and gentlemen watch the amazing mediator who can show you 1000 ways to awkwardly hold an iPad.

[@MrLexxBomb]

I didn't catch her name, but the moderator of this discussion did a great job I think. Well done.

[@billanthony8230]

25:46 Milo realizes at this moment that his opponent is stammering... It goes downhill for him from here.

[@yhyhuyuyhwyuuyuyuyh9842]

Perfect

[@johnbedgar]

Pissed myself laughing when Dr. Koulouris said he comes from the working class and came to this country to study... I'm pretty sure he has no idea what working class really means for opportunities, especially didn't come to work, was funded to study.

[@TheArrowsPath]

A lad is a young man. That's all a lad is. That's all it means to BE a lad. It means nothing bad. It shouldn't HAVE to mean something bad.

[@erlaw1028]

Dr. Koulouris has no arguements he only asks questions.