Swiwin 190 Turbine UnBoxing, Testrun and Review.

[@thelightersideofrc]

Check out the lineup of Swiwin Turbines at. www.thelightersideofrc.com/turbines

[@preauzalam3483]

How do you know what numbers to set the acc/dec to?

[@thelightersideofrc]

For Acc. I shoot for 4.0-4.2 seconds. That’s a safe number. For DEC. It’s more about sound from engine. 25 is a decent safe number but sometimes I will lower this number depending on turbine response. Each engine is different as well.

[@iflylow6224]

I have had several turbines and sizes from 40 to 320N. By far the Swiwin has been the fastest run up, restart, cool down, and zero to full throttle times.

[@thelightersideofrc]

Thanks 😊. Yea that are suburb units!

[@jmoney5318]

I’ve stumbled upon gold with this channel.. I freakin love everything you’re doin man!

[@thelightersideofrc]

Awesome! Thank you very much for the kind words and thanks for watching!

[@russellvoth5161]

I fully agree with Klaus; very fuel efficient and quick response, looking forward to running my 240 soon. Thanks, Jonathan for all the turbine knowledge and support your a great asset to the modelling community. Oh and nice review like the subtitles while running the turbine

[@thelightersideofrc]

Thanks Russell! Looking forward to you flying the 240!

[@stevemorgan5684]

Flawless operations with these turbines! I have three and no issues!

[@thelightersideofrc]

Thanks Steve!

[@wayneschenk5512]

I think I’m sold on this 190 will be a good replacement for my current 190 savings in weight fuel consumption and length for my ultra. I see on other forums people are still struggling with the concept of reduced output due to environmental conditions. You add either altitude or temperature plus pipe reductions it all adds up.

[@thelightersideofrc]

It's a great engine Wayne. I have a hard time comprehending peoples struggle with reduced output due to environmental conditions. Little bit mind blown at some folks! Thanks for watching!

[@klausrohrbach6041]

That is the huge benefit of Swiwin Turbines, is power and fuel efficiency and low cost. In my F-15, I have a 4 Liter fuel system and I can fly for 6 minutes comfortably and still have a little under half in the saddle tanks and a full hopper tank. Nice review Johnathan! Swiwin 190 is my favorite!

[@thelightersideofrc]

Thanks Klaus! Yea totally agree. the 190's are awesome!

[@TheBede5]

No power at 190b. I have one, it barely puts 16 kg of thrust...

[@klausrohrbach6041]

@@TheBede5 well power is dependent on altitude above sea level and what your air density altitude is which is also dependent on temperature. The engine at sea level makes a little over 40 lbs of thrust if it’s set up right. Now I will say it does depend on who you bought your Swiwin from CRX can say whatever they want but I know guys who have had engines that don’t run correctly. I get my engines my BadBoyzRC here in the states. Plane is also a factor. You have to consider thrust to weight ratio. If your 190 is barely making 16 KGs of thrust then you need to have the parameters checked. Make sure it’s a 190, and not a 170. They are the same can size and electronics but set up differently. We had a big F18 fly at an event with twin 190s and it was an absolute rocket.

[@TheBede5]

@@klausrohrbach6041 see, we are on 300 m asl and have very much identical results, as Jonathan has. Thrust at about 34 lbs, or 160 n. And that is a problem for such a big can. Other turbines have specified, or even more thrust. Something is wrong with that bloody 190b. It has strange low max rpm of just 118000. Normally at those sizes would be around 122 to 125000. And 40 lbs is not 190n. Just 180...

[@thelightersideofrc]

One of the reasons you see lower rpm on Swiwin engines is a result of the larger intake size. Much larger than most.

[@FreeFlightDigest]

Amazing!

[@thelightersideofrc]

Thanks!

[@WalterMitty1966]

Hi Jon , Brilliant , as usual !! Cheers Phil

[@thelightersideofrc]

Many thanks!

[@wayneschenk5512]

Excellent

[@thelightersideofrc]

Thanks 😊

[@davidb6076]

Another great video. I have noticed the F4 in the background in your last few videos. What kit is it, looks good.

[@thelightersideofrc]

Thanks! Skymaster kit. Build coming soon!

[@evo7fan]

Hi. As always great videos. I like to stop by and almost always learn something new :-) I have one question, could you make a comparison for the kerosene consumption of a 9 kg turbine and a 12 kg turbine that is throttled to 9 kg, for example? I would be very interested in this.

[@thelightersideofrc]

Thanks for stopping in and thanks for watching! Great suggestion. It would take some planning and the right turbines but love it.

[@TheBede5]

Great presentation, as usual 👍. But the thrust is significantly lower, than it should be. Just 33 lb, when it should be 42. Something not ok here. You don't test the turbine on 6000 m asl to have that much thrust drop.

[@thelightersideofrc]

A few years back we opened up for the local full scale air show. At the pilot meeting the density altitude that day was 8500 ft. We are at 3200 ft physical. There are many factors at play. A hot day at our elevation is for sure a 20-25% drop in thrust. That’s why I upsize my engines. Most have a 210-250 in the Huracan. I use a 300 to compensate for our altitude.

[@TheBede5]

@@thelightersideofrc ok, but at your test the swiwin 220 turbine has had those specified thrust, at similar conditions. I own the 190b and it does not give the specified power. All other turbines I have, from other producers, they have all specified thrusts. That is my problem. Works just the same as on your test. Not powerful enough.

[@thelightersideofrc]

My 220 test was done in the middle of winter so it was -10 to -20 Celsius outside. The density altitude came in probably at below sea level. Or close to sea level at that temp. Big difference

[@TheBede5]

@@thelightersideofrc ok, well, but still that 25% thrust drop of 190 is hard to explain, just because elevation of 3000 ft a sl. At least it works very well and very fuel efficient 😀. We know why

[@thelightersideofrc]

Did you watch the xicoy 180 video? Same drop.

[@Ziet1]

love your channel and the in death view of jets, I fly EDF as I can afford this level of models. what you go to TX please.

[@thelightersideofrc]

Thanks! I was flying JR for many years and just made the change to JETI. Very happy with the change!

[@ronailer3012]

Do you have any plans to use a telemetry module for swiwin to jeti. I see panda rc is selling v-speak modules. Maybe a review in the future.

[@thelightersideofrc]

Hello Ron. I haven’t been too vocal about it yet but the Huracan is fully switched over to Jeti which also includes a v speak module doing turbine telemetry!😎

[@rckn-rndlwestvirginiarc4388]

Just wondering why you don't show a view from the exhaust side of the engine with some smoke to show the thrust and power.....numbers are okay but a visual would be more interesting

[@thelightersideofrc]

It’s not that exciting from that side either. I did a 220 test video about 1.5 years ago and showed the exhaust side.

[@airmanbybee]

One thing I have always been curious it intake airflow would increase thrust. I'm curious if you throw a leaf blowing would increase trust... kinda like the air being forced down the intakes

[@thelightersideofrc]

Great thought. It wouldn't increase thrust but it would increase fuel efficiency. The turbine is rpm controlled. So if max rpm is 118k and it needs less fuel to keep it there because the air is helping than less fuel would be pumped in.

[@michiganengineer8621]

I recall seeing someone "stack" some EDF's in a test rig and the increase didn't counter the added weight of the second blower, battery and ESC. I don't know if anyone has tried something similar with a real turbine.

[@thelightersideofrc]

I think an interesting test would be to see if introducing air input would alter the fuel efficiency for the 1 min at full throttle test. Similar to an install in an aircraft with ductwork or full bypass. 🤔

[@michiganengineer8621]

@@thelightersideofrc Maybe a test the next time you have an EDF build going on, unless you have one there in the shop of course. A possible concern would be when you aren't driving the EDF and it's spinning in the airflow from the turbine, could it "back feed" and damage the ESC?

[@thelightersideofrc]

I have some ideas! I’ll try it soon.

[@3D-RC]

Nice video! 33LB is 15kg... The engine not should be put out 19kg?

[@thelightersideofrc]

Density altitude! This is mentioned in every test video for every turbine. At sea level at 15 C it will put out the rated thrust. As you come up in elevation (we are at 3300 ft) and temp increases this drops substantially.

[@3D-RC]

@@thelightersideofrc thank you for the answer. But I have a question In the video you made on a 22kg engine, it did put out the right thrust and even a little more and both videos were made in your garage...

[@thelightersideofrc]

@3D-RC the 220 engine was being run at -20c in the middle of winter. That cold brings the density altitude to about sea level.

[@thelightersideofrc]

During the summer here when it’s 10c in the morning our aircraft have way more power. Mid day when it’s 30c you can tell! I one opened for the spring bank airshow. During the pilot briefing the density altitude at show time was 8500 ft at 3300 ft elevation.

[@3D-RC]

@@thelightersideofrc I am interested in buying the Skywing jet and the manufacturer recommends an 18 kilo motor for 3D flights with thrust vectoring. I planned to buy SWIWIN 19 kg, Until I saw your video and then I started to think twice because I need a lot of power for 3D flights So I thought maybe buy SWIWIN 22 kg Can you advise me on this??

[@3D-RC]

how are you bro I bought a Swiwin 190B engine Could you please send me a message explaining what I should do about tuning the engine parameters? For example, regarding the sensing that will be as fast as possible, and regarding the direction of the RPM as high as possible, and important directions, it will be installed on a plane with a vector that makes 3D. Thank you very much I appreciate it very much!!!

[@thelightersideofrc]

If you check my website, go to turbine section and you can download the manual. Adjusting the acceleration is explained in there.

[@3D-RC]

@@thelightersideofrc Thanks again my friend!

[@RangoliDesigns-jg8mw]

More RPM is equal to more thrust ? Tell me

[@thelightersideofrc]

🙌

[@scaneagle62]

How do you power up the rec, do you need an esc?

[@thelightersideofrc]

The turbine will need a 3 cell lipo power source and the receiver needs a suitable power source. So depending on radio system of course but 2 cell lipo.

[@scaneagle62]

I understand the 3s batterys but my rec needs a esc to power up. How do you get power to it without a esc.?

[@thelightersideofrc]

@@scaneagle62 your receiver needs power to power up. So if your using a ESC with a built in BEC (receiver power supply) than that’s why your thinking that. Plug in a 5 cell Nimh or 2 cell life battery into an open port and the receiver should power up

[@scaneagle62]

Thanks just figured it out.

[@scaneagle62]

I got it thanks.@@thelightersideofrc

[@miladragheb5169]

I wish I had it but if I m capable to buy it ofcourse im not , Would you do favor me and send this as gift to middleEast Persian Golf ,Iran ,Mashhad,sadaf 6,building 202

[@thelightersideofrc]

🤔

[@miladragheb5169]

I wish I had it but if I m capable to buy it ofcourse im not , Would you do favor me and send this as gift to middleEast Persian Golf ,Iran ,Mashhad,sadaf 6,building 202

[@thelightersideofrc]

🤔