WTF Is Helldivers 2 Doing?! Players Letting It BURN...

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▶▶ "What matters most now is action. Not talk." - Mikael E. - Game Director, Helldivers 2...Will they ever learn? 🤦‍♂◀◀ Credit to u/trifecta000 over on Reddit for the awesome artwork used in today's thumbnail! www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1erejgn/make_game_fun_players_play_game_while_you_fix_game/ discord.gg/RNeJA8cVqb www.patreon.com/ltbuzzlitebeer www.twitch.tv/ltbuzzlitebeer www.youtube.com/@LtBuzzLitebeer twitter.com/LtBuzzLitebeer Official Buzz Merch - buzzs-boutique.creator-spring.com Top 3 Comments! 🥇 Doc.BlackWolf 🥈 micklayton1601 🥉 hunterking6033 Forbes Article: www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/08/14/helldivers-2-isnt-dead-it-does-have-a-big-problem/ Lasota Balancing Article www.arrowheadgamestudios.com/2024/03/balancing-the-firepower-in-helldivers-2/ Message from Helldivers Game Director steamcommunity.com/app/553850/ Steam Player Counts steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/ 💻►Helldivers Companion Site Link Here - helldiverscompanion.com 🎮►Helldivers 2 on Steam - store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/ CHAPTERS 0:00 - Intro 1:28 - Major Order Madness 2:33 - They Never Learn... 5:33 - It Was A Mess! 6:47 - We've Been Here Before... 8:06 - What Could Have Been? 9:27 - Vague Terms, And A Past... 10:47 - Top 3 Comments 12:40 - Hit Subscribe & Comment!kzbin.infogaming/emoji/7ff574f2/emoji_u25c0.png◀

[@Fenikkusu14]

I mean, I get your point, but would rather have had them just let the fire burn for longer and just cease comms about their plans? At least with his statement we have something we can hold them accountable for.

[@interd1m3ns10naltrain]

A lot of people are calling for blood to "have this fixed fast!" or "Make these changes!" people gotta remember that this game is made by about 110-120 people as compared to the thousands that AAA games have normally, and they made it in the Stingray engine, which has been abandoned for 6 YEARS by autodesk. I dont prefer the changes, yes. I think that they need to rethink what the mission statement of their game is, but they cant churn out patches instantly and have them be perfect, plus, a decent amount of their staff are on vacation from what I remember.

[@FLINTZ]

Just one question Buzz. I do agree that Arrowhead need to make changes. What I'm confused about is when you talk about action in your video. Do you mean immediate action, like right after they made that statement? Or make no statement at all and just release something to address player concerns? I'm having a hard time determining what you want from AH in this video.

[@FLINTZ]

@@interd1m3ns10naltrain Yeah, I agree with this sentiment, 100%. They should be held accountable for their actions and non-action regarding balance and overall issues with the game. The issue I have is this urgency after their statement. I feel like the video is delivering a mixed message that I'm having a difficult time following. Does Buzz want them to address or speak about the issues or doesn't he? Does he just want AH to fix the game with no communication at all? I feel like this video has lost its footing with respect to its messaging. This is all out of respect for Buzz of course, no malice on my end. Just honest feedback.

[@Whiskey5_]

@@FLINTZ what hes talking about is all the talk about how they "hear our concerns" yet do nothing to address those concerns, clearly they cant do anything withing a day or two, it takes a little time, reverting nerfs in a game is not something that takes 2 months. it takes a week at most.

[@nilsmuller9542]

They justify the nerfs with their idea of making it more realistic.. Brother we are fighting Space Bugs and Terminators with Lasers and spaceships ! F***** your "realism" we want FUN!

[@samuraitadpole5459]

Don't forget the robots have unlimited ammo

[@aikighost]

Ah yes the realism of dropping from orbit in pods in groups of 4 rather than dropping 100s of troops aboard fully armed attack dropships 5 minutes after carpet bombing the entire area...

[@samuraitadpole5459]

@@aikighost Idk how anyone can use that excuse when we can easily see how the government irl fights

[@Raziel_XIV]

Yes! I want invulnerability and laser eyes! Only superman can survive orbital drop. Let me also bring all the weapons i unlocked GTA style. I wanna use every weapon. Pocket space has been a videogame standard anyhow... no need to change it up

[@samuraitadpole5459]

@@Raziel_XIV better then sending just 4 soldiers behind enemy lines with 4 grenades, 4 stims and a few mags when irl they'd just bomb the planet and send hundreds of soldiers, bare minimum they're sending 20 helldivers

[@SunTzu176]

>release the sickle >its awesome and fun to use with 6 mags and while it does overheat, it takes awhile meaning its really great to wipe out chaff enemies >first patch after its release, take the mags down to 3, lower the firerate, increase heatbuild up to an insane amount >release the erupter >its an amazingly fun gun and the shrapnel effect means its super effective against chaff enemies but takes a lot of skill to use to not hurt yourself or allies >first patch after its release, lower the ammo count, remove the shrapnel effect, take the damage down to nothing And they just kept doing it. What did they expect?

[@matthaught4707]

So much this

[@tonyhacker5980]

The eruptor was a glorious one shot boltgun. And they massacred it. Fuck this game

[@Bizmarckus]

Remove the unique-ness from the weapons.

[@SideBit]

Sickle and Erupter are still very fun and effective weapons to use. I've exclusively played 10 this past week or so and do very well on both factions :/ Seems like you and others are just huffing skill issue copium. Like their changes aren't great, but the hyperbole active in the HD2 community is childish at best, and narcissistic at worst.

[@kaden-sd6vb]

You forgot the most recent one: -about to release new flamethrowers -ruin fire physics for no real reason, killing the existing flamer along with the new ones

[@Malphorus]

"What matters more is nerfing more guns and not talking to the community." Fixed it for them.

[@saltychocolate2843]

Lets tack on a few more. "What matters more is Nerfing More weapons, Adding in more Bugs. Shredding Community Feedback. Post more 'activism', Bury previous mistakes and then call out people who remember them and ban em. And the cherry on top? Lets continue having 100+ countries banned" - AssHeads(Because thats where all their decisions are made and feel like.)

[@SolidNitrox]

I have never seen a company shoot themselves in the foot this many times. They had an incredibly successful launch and every single nerf and bunk change has steadily increased player frustration.

[@michaelharder3055]

@@SolidNitrox Not often you meet someone who only played a single game their whole life.

[@den1dro123]

What looked to be a shoe in for GOTY is now free falling. I don't see why the upper management is so fucking dense! We, the players, are who you need to keep happy so we continue to buy Warbonds and shit!

[@SolidNitrox]

@@michaelharder3055 is your brain completely smooth? Keep licking them boots.

[@TheLuggi84]

Arrowhead are like a girlfriend that has cheated on you. She did it once, apologized and promised to never do it again, so you gave her another chance. But then she did it again, and again, and yet another time, apologizing and promising to never do it again. So what do they think? That people will trust them all of the sudden, after they've lied countless of times about the same issue?

[@pandagmail3505]

And then she cheats on you just before loyal gf day 😂

[@Anthony-wi6sn]

Does the CEO not read the patch notes? Does he not sign off or approve anything? Can we talk about how it seems the whole entire studio seems surprised at its own patches?

[@adrenalinekick]

The fact they are planning on adding a beta testing branch proves none of the team actually playtests the game they are balancing. They'll let the players do their job for them now.

[@belliott538]

@@adrenalinekick I wouldn’t have a problem with that… IF the Devs would Listen to their Player Base and take Appropriate Action. However it remains to be seem if a PTS would have Any Positive Effect… More’s The Pity!

[@gygunookys]

when will you all learn that devs have way more control than you think and just shove off heat to higher ups

[@SkeemborPeeblebutt]

@@adrenalinekick It's especially obvious when they use usage statistics to justify the balance changes rather than correlating the balance changes to their applicable in game mechanics. E.g. breaker being used by 30% of players being the reason for the nerf rather than the breaker having some unintended interaction or application.

[@DraykCiptco]

Just remember the statement Shams made, "An hour playing their game is an hour not spent developing".

[@Bricksniper]

Maybe we should defect to the Automatons at this point. They have infinite rockets and ammo, infinite ragdolling capabilities, shooting through rocks and mountains, and more.

[@ObviouslyVickers]

I know. It's hard to defend a planet when the developers don't care about the player base.😮‍💨

[@julegon2]

Automaton faction is starting to look good 😏 (let us join 🤫).... I wanna be one of those chicken legs with strong as hell cannons. I would snipe sooo many helldivers. Or a hulk that can't be stunned because it starts doing the chopping animation.

[@froschreiniger2639]

@@julegon2 i would be a gunship. And i would fly it like i stole it, barrel rolls and all. Or a heavy devastator, delivering full auto headshot salvos at 3km

[@supermcspotty]

Honestly a pvp element a la invasions where either side is perhaps awarded samples if the objective is completed or not. Would be interesting as an event. ​@froschreiniger2639

[@norvillerogers4047]

I just want to pick up one of the automatons guns since even the most basic ones stagger like a truck even in heavy armor.

[@SlumericanXX]

Don’t worry guys. I know you’re all upset about the nerfs. But we here at Arrowhead have good news. We’re nerfing the Guard Rover so that it overheats properly. Thank you for your feedback

[@Calladim]

😂

[@nobodysbusiness2178]

❤

[@Jmsgmng]

You’re soooooo funny… 😐

[@SlumericanXX]

@@Jmsgmng thank you.

[@deggertsen]

This is on the nose. If this Nerf doesn't come with a whole lot of great buffs to other things, it will not be well received.

[@mcdirty764]

Arrow Head: Realism matters... Thats why rocket devestators have infinite rockets.

[@Tamachii12]

Realism matters, when it is to nerf players that is.

[@bitethebook7650]

Or falling from 2 ft and dying from impact damage.

[@Wesker_main]

Heh, realism matters: You now die on inpact with a planet. Hellpods wont save your legs and body from this amount of force put onto you when smashing into a planet XD

[@OrionDawn15]

@@Wesker_main I wonder how Hellpods work inside and if the ODST drop pods would be more feasible than them? Just a random thought now that you bring up the Hellpods.

[@Wesker_main]

@@OrionDawn15 jeah I’d like to get a canon explanation for that too

[@MrMacavity]

Whoever is responsible for these damn "balance" tweaks needs to be fired.

[@MitchConnorZ]

and what ? be called sexist ? ... i think wokies would rather have sht game

[@mercator5484]

@@MitchConnorZwtf are you even saying, you literally bugman.

[@MopWhoSmells]

"We are going to take a deep dive on our synergies and align our customer's holistic sustainabilty in our ecosystem bandwidth by retargeting our core competency with an incentivized leverage to move the needle by reaching out and unpacking our wheelhouse, full stop". - Arrowhead probably.

[@ObviouslyVickers]

Makes more sense than what AH is saying.

[@VioletShinobi]

"We'll circle back and have a meeting about what was discussed in this meeting in 60 days."

[@jerk1921]

(Giggles)

[@nimblehuman]

A slew of corporate buzzwords, meaning nothing. Sounds exactly right.

[@dividedby1024]

We can pull forward items from the backlog and lean in to the value stream.

[@Smashmode87]

Let super earth burn. It's not the Helldivers fault.

[@owenfiset4275]

Unlike the soldiers we are not blinded by loyalty and propaganda

[@vladenpain]

Arrowhead isn't going to let it happen. Campaigns will magically succeed and planets be liberated, just like stuff got taken over out of nowhere. It's cool that players would send them the message, but it won't happen.

[@jdbb3gotskills]

In game it feels like Super Earth wants to lose this war with the crappy weapons they are providing us.

[@jegantdragoch.7088]

@@vladenpain apparently in helldivers 1 - super earth has lost many times and the game devs just reset the game like a DnD campaign but honestly if super earth does fall - i dont think i'll just want to replay the war with no "victory" .. theres no end victory only war until we lose, then reset

[@jeezed2950]

​@jdbb3gotskills at least on the bug front

[@curtisbaker1576]

When Sony closes arrowhead they will all fit in perfectly at Ubisoft or dice

[@dablb]

💀💀💀

[@Jmsgmng]

Sure keep writing fanfics of what happens to arrowhead funny kid

[@jorgepascual169]

@@Jmsgmng cute you think this wouldn't happen this game death date is sept 9

[@northlandphoenix]

Why would arrowhead close? They made a shitload of money.

[@Jmsgmng]

@@jorgepascual169 keep going it’s funny to watch the clown cope about nerfs that barely affect the game

[@HansKlopek]

I dont want to hear about "toxicity" we've been more than patient.

[@djstef4549]

No amount of patience warrants toxicity

[@MisterZimbabwe]

Nah, it's toxic time. It's the only way to have fun now.

[@craig9365]

its totally toxic time. stf up nerd.

[@hitandruncommentor]

My feelings exactly. People have limits to their patience, and very few are saints. Im not going to go around screaming or such but i understand people that do.

[@hitandruncommentor]

​@@djstef4549when toxicity tends to be anything the other party feels it is... the argument kinda falls apart.

[@samturner6061]

It's really funny that they nerfed the way flame pierces enemies right in time for this update, because the map design of the new mega nests, and the way enemies build up and pour out of it, would actually be REALLY fun to play with how the flames used to work. Like, picturing 4 Helldivers with the new flame weapons all just incinerating everything as it pours out, is actually giving me a weird new feeling I've never experienced before. A kind of new flavour of disappointment.

[@4Moth2Mellow0]

Dont hold your breath this game will only get worse. 432 hours playtime here and im done with it. It truly could have been great though in the hands of devs that played there own game

[@Lost_in_the_Blink]

I wish the devs could see your comment. It would have been glorious

[@K1NG_of_ReVeNGe1]

Don't worry about the automatons closing in on Superearth, Arrowhead absolutely doesn't have a urban city map ready to fight on lmao.

[@Pyrate_Of_Las_Vegas]

This game was a lot of fun the first 4 months.

[@howdoichangemyprofilepictu9839]

It's as if devs don't realize they can rollback an update and undo it. They should simply back up the current version of the game, then do an update where they massively buff everything, if the update isn't popular, then simply restore the game to the backup before the update.

[@guts4347]

Deep Rock Galactic is a fun game.

[@DutchGuyMike]

*First 2 months

[@DutchGuyMike]

​@@howdoichangemyprofilepictu9839 That is way beyond their ability, it is NOT that simple. They don't even code the game right, and many systems affect others - especially in the way they "bug fix" or patch things, it would be madness if they did that and could lead to non-stop crashing for days, if not weeks. Someone IN the developer team even stated that "revert the guns to their original states" which the top guys shot down because it would be near impossible, even if they want it.

[@themis828]

​@@guts4347 , Deep rock is the perfect game to be playing right now, until SM 2 comes out

[@zeraith]

I think it's a bit weird that they are so worried about "BALANCE" In a co-op game where FUN should always come first. You can buff the enemies later. Keep the WEAPONS FUN.

[@Jmsgmng]

people just want a super easy game where they have power fantasy and are the doomslayer when it’s never going to happen because in game you are worth nothing to super earth there is no power fantasy and that’s the fun part you are cannon fodder used to target weapons and then die a horrible death with your co-op team you’d probably make it through with minimal losses the fun part is when you fight up a base and destroy the command center the fun is the sense of achievement not running through hordes of enemies mindlessly killing everything in sight thats a game that gets stale fast instead use your brain and think if it’s worth engaging with enemies and you’ll have fun

[@jacktheripper7935]

@@Jmsgmng Nobody talked about having it "easy" ffs, stop with that sh*t. People want tools capable to at least allow them to fight back and not running away all the time because your stratagems are on CD...

[@randomspectator8047]

​​@@Jmsgmng I enjoyed running a heavy medkit layout with the supply backpack and support weapons! Now that everything S nerfed to shit if I want to enioy the game I have to run a heavy meta load out. SO FUCK OFF WITH YOUR HD2 APOLOGIST BULLSHIT

[@simpleplan100687]

@@JmsgmngIf people wanted a easy game they would never go pass difficulty 3. People want a fair and fun challenge, but when the challenge comes from the devs tying our hands and feet together and thrown into a swarm of bilespewers and chargers that doesn't make it fun. I get that some missions should be next to impossible to complete, but that shouldn't stem from not having the weapons to kill, but rather an overwhelming force. The power fantasy lives on where players are wiping out hordes of bugs and bots, but like the Russians in WW2 they just don't stop coming. But that should be one in every 5-6 missions. No war will be a perfect string of victories, but every battle should be given the chance to swing either way.

[@LordVader69420]

That's the thing, they have been buffing the enemies the whole time, and then they make the guns feel like 💩 or just straight up useless on the highest difficulty. Weapons from day 1 that were garbage have still not been touched...

[@vellikaari3008]

Let Super Earth burn, it's what happens when we get terrible weapons. Maybe if we lose on purpose, Arrowhead might see that we're ACTUALLY not happy.

[@brandonjew1397]

Nah, they'll probably think the stuff we use is too strong and needs a few more nerfs to make everything equally awful

[@Kwat224son]

Maybe I’ll redownload the game just to sabotage some missions lol the guns have no problem killing other hell divers😈

[@JoMcD21]

They haven't even made that part of the map. They'll pull some stupid shit where you'll all be at the same planets you've been at since the beginning.

[@bouncybubble]

@@Kwat224sonnah dude don’t be a dick to the players who still play

[@proxymohawk2933]

@@JoMcD21 imo we’re calling their “realism” bluff. If they’re really committed to realism, then they’ll be forced to figure out how to animate Super Earth when it’s 100% not ready to be attacked storywise

[@lightjohn125]

Patch 1 : Nerf slugger by 50 damage and -30 stagger strength. Patch 2 Buff slugger by 5 damage and 5 stagger, enemies have 5 extra stagger resistance Patch 3 : Buff slugger by 5 damage and 5 stagger, enemies have 5 extra stagger resistance Patch 4 : Buff slugger by 5 damage and 5 stagger, enemies have 5 extra stagger resistance AH & AH white knights: The weapons been buffed multiple times and those whiny players are still unhappy, they're so unreasonable!

[@phantasydragon696]

"How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man?" -Fish guy from SpongeBob

[@RockeroNato]

To the Community: "We want the community feedback, and show we listen to it" Internaly: "Community feedback? Who cares? Just take the fun away"

[@guts4347]

Deep Rock Galactic is a fun game.

[@crushthedemoniac]

To the Community: "We want the community feedback, and show we listen to it" *laughs in Discord and Reddit*

[@sirpibble]

Even their echo chamber has turned on them at this point No more good faith left in the community and they only have themselves to blame

[@That_lore_guy]

There was never good faith from this community the second they got something they didn't like they started treating the devs like shit lashing out like children throwing a tempertantrum and now half the comments on videos like this one are calling for the community to sabotage the game but who dose that affect not the devs it only hurts other players breeding resentment amongst the community between the actually loyal fan base vs the self proclaimed loyal fans that lash out at the slightest inconvenience

[@scotthart7294]

@@That_lore_guy stop defending stupid nerfs.

[@agedgouda8809]

@@That_lore_guyso wrong. The community in the first stretch of the game was so optimistic abt this game, everyone was loving it. Then they starting nerfing the fun out of the game and making all the tools underwhelming. People like yourself are the problem, people who think things will get better if we keep quiet and don’t voice our frustrations when things are bad.

[@loner9832]

@@That_lore_guy devs did it to themselves, fuck em.

[@guts4347]

Deep Rock Galactic is a fun game.

[@sevrengrey3689]

We didn't abandon Super Earth. Super Earth abandoned us.

[@thathandsomedevil0828]

Super earth also abandoned 180 territories because it's citizens weren't democratic enough?

[@Warmitdar]

Let's be honest, they made money off us and they don't give a damn about the player base. They have some sick vision, that unfortunately no one can understand, starting with the fact that they focus on NERF weapons, instead of constantly adding new things to keep the players who create SuperEarth. Well.. Spacemarines 2 is coming and it can wipe Helldivers off the board, Arrowhead will wake up too late.

[@shadowpatriotterry1969]

Thanks!

[@LtBuzzLitebeer]

🙏

[@daviddesrosiers1946]

When Space Marine II hits, this game is toast. If they don't un-f*ck themselves and deliver the power in power fantasy. It's so frustrating because this shouldn't be hard.

[@djstef4549]

We’ll see

[@levelbasegaming5740]

We can't wait for SMII!!!

[@onerimeuse]

It's jot designed to be a power fantasy. A bunch of you id-10ts bought the game thinking that and are mad because the game isn't what you expected. As a result, you're all using toxicity to try and force the devs to change their entire design philosophy. Those of us that appreciate and understand the design philosophy can't wait for you all to leave, so the devs can get back to developing the game. Tell you what, champ. Go and play cod in the meantime. It'll coddle you just right. Shoo. Bzzzzzz

[@yukioacumora4430]

And then players leave in even bigger droves than helldivers 2 because an enemy takes 5 bullets to kill. I swear, if people want to play 1 shot everythibg borderlands style gameplay, then just play borderlands ffs

[@quackalicious970]

I don't think hell divers 2 was meant to be a power fantasy I think people just told themselves that and if you want to play Power fantasy go play Doom internal

[@yonkadingo3683]

I have an update idea: The Refund update. Everyone gets their money back and we can spend it on something like Space Marine 2

[@Uknown76]

Thats a great idea Space marines 2 looks great honestly

[@omenwulf]

“He who stands with me shall be my brother.”

[@Maximoepl]

Remember: DO NOT ENGAGE WITH AUTOMATONS! We must show command that we are not happy. If it requires super earth too fall, make it so!

[@CaptainGrackle]

One more nerf and we won't be able to engage, even if we try.

[@ObviouslyVickers]

@@CaptainGrackle Kind of true...😐

[@Ryumen]

No, we should engage them. We just file them towards Super Earth.

[@zorraks8984]

pretty sure they dont even have those planets made yet so it wouldnt matter anyways lol. its all an illusion.

[@mikedicarlis6654]

sorry not happening

[@Starsky3022]

10:40 As it's going right now it certainly feels more like the biggest fumble ever

[@Starsky3022]

8:45 Honestly, it's almost more concerning that they're unable to roll out some fairly simple number tweaks within a few days. Hell, that should be doable within a few hours from a purely technical point of view

[@mortagagedfreemen323]

They're gaslighting, they 100% know how to revert the changes. It's all part of their pr 'playbook' to actively calm people with apologies and promises to then clear the way for more nerfs.

[@cyberltron890]

I will deinstall if there is one more unnecessary nerf for real

[@mortagagedfreemen323]

@cyberltron890 may as well uninstall now. Their 60 plan involves more nerfs.

[@martinguest4677]

Back when helldivers 2 first launched, reports came out that the dev's were 'horrified' that players were beating the hardest modes in the game. I think that is the sole motivating factor for all the nerfs .. they don't want people beating the hardest modes .. because of their own hubris. In the end, people will eventually get tired and move on unless they get over it. The game was amazing at launch and has no doubt made Arrowhead buckets upon buckets of money .. but if they want to be in this for the long term, they need to get over themselves.

[@SkeemborPeeblebutt]

Agreed I think they have a very specific vision for how this game should be played and they're trying to force the playerbase to accept it.

[@ITZBROKENhotDOG12]

Within 60 days space marine 2 is coming out so good luck arrowhead

[@ryanl3722]

had to double check the release date its less than 30 dont play me like that

[@alchapwn]

They have 25 days, swedes got another 20 days of vacation so they got 120 hours to fix this game.

[@dennis.the.drummer]

See you loyalists there! For the Emperor

[@yukioacumora4430]

People are going to kick and scream again that things don't die in one single hit and that youre not invincible. I can feel it in my bones.

[@angryGinger62]

​@@yukioacumora4430 your one of those smooth brains that immedietaly interpret the communities call for buffs as a demand for uber weapons that completely trivialize the game. Take a step back away from the Devs crotch, actually listen to peoples critisim and you'll see that NO ONE is asking for what you've convinced yourself of

[@dylansmith6078]

Nerfs wouldn't matter if we had other tools but we are 2 patches away from a pointy stick being more impactful than the average AR. For example did you know the laughable dagger (the laser pistol) has a shorter time to kill a devastator than the Slugger, liberator, liberator penatrator, liberator combine, liberator concussive, sprey and prey, breaker, blitzer, all the submachine guns, punisher plasma, and that charged fusion gun. Yes a infinate ammo side arm is stronger than primary assult rifles it was really op with balistic sheild as it has no recoil and you can just focus the heads with taking no damage. Why is that. Please buff all the AR's except the only 2 viable ones tenderizer and adjuticator

[@craig9365]

all im reading is how bad your aim is. skill issue spotted. i run 9s and 10s no problem. why cant you? do you have a deformed hand? i literally know a kid with a deformed hand from birth who can probably aim better than you

[@Rat_Fบcker]

funny enough through call of this nerf storm Auto cannon remain untouch

[@dylansmith6078]

@@Rat_Fบcker fr, the most over used gun in the game is untouched but If I want to just lock in autocannon every mission I'd rather just play league of legends ranked where you have to use the same build every game. This is a pve game you should be able to have multiple tools not just 1 meta loadout

[@onerimeuse]

Have you tried aiming for the legs? Because then they go down in half the shots with any weapon.

[@dylansmith6078]

@@onerimeuse yea dagger still faster at 1.3 seconds to the face. It just has a short heatsink that makes it bad

[@GravitasZero]

This isn’t a competitive PvP game, if the weapon isn’t completely broken then don’t F-ing “fix” it

[@music.online]

Underrated comment / 10

[@jasonjordan8376]

Imagine saying you’re nerfing fire damage and the flamethrower because of realism and physics in a game where you are fired in a bullet from orbit that comes to an abrupt stop with such force that it buries itself in the ground but doesn’t turn your internal organs to mush.

[@Erowid13]

hearing the playerbase is letting territory get taken over made me so proud. now they just need to stop playing.

[@Rat_Fบcker]

problem is if this is not what dev want they can just stop the bot progression

[@angusgritz3506]

you know, just cause you said so, im gunna go play right now, and have a great time not using flame weapons. for Super Earth!

[@Erowid13]

@@angusgritz3506 k.

[@Rat_Fบcker]

@@angusgritz3506 k

[@yukioacumora4430]

You understand that 2 months ago that sector had like 2 planets with bots on them, and nothing happened and nobody made this goofy ass take right

[@mthequietbass547]

60 MORE days? No, all the devs do IS talk.

[@Rat_Fบcker]

Space Marines 2 will come out in less than a month what make them think they have 60 days

[@yukioacumora4430]

​@Rat_Fบcker they canceled the beta for it and the leaks for it do not look good.

[@StealingYourWiFi]

60 days is more than enough time for the buzz to die down and for them to slip away without doing shit again.

[@ClumsyDrow]

Yeah I'm moving on there's so many games coming out and Arrowhead is just not going to come around or grow a brain. They had a license to print money and they burned it all up

[@guts4347]

Deep Rock Galactic is a fun game.

[@joelrosenwinkel5467]

It’s incredibly frustrating when AH keeps saying what they think we want to hear, only to turn around and do the exact opposite, damaging both trust and the game itself. The constant nerfs and changes that don’t align with what they promised just make it worse. It feels like every time they say something that sounds good, we have to brace ourselves for the inevitable disappointment.

[@zackbleecker7630]

Even more so when to think how much unnecessary time has been wasted on patches for balance and nerfs that havent been warranted that could of been spent on story, crafting new missions, new stratagems, new biomes, vehicles but no. So they are doing more damage than they probably realize.

[@Jmsgmng]

@@zackbleecker7630but the nerfs were necessary? I played with most of the weapons that were nerfed and yeah they became meta because they were extremely fucking OP arrowhead isn’t going to buff every weapon to their level because of how unreasonably powerful they were And you proved you don’t know shit about their development because you would know they have different people working on different parts of the game at all times.

[@rickhunter6513]

@@Jmsgmng”were the nerfs necessary?” you ask. I don’t know, did you ever complain to the developers that certain weapons were too powerful and needed to be needed? Did you ever ask for less magazines and weaker weapons?

[@maofria1452]

​@@Jmsgmngstop playing in easy difficulty

[@Under-Kaoz]

We are the abused gfs. They expect us to develop Stockholm syndrome, but we're done with them. I've played the game for 2 whole matches since the commando warbond came out. I'm lv 130, they pushed away most their dedicated players already. Most left are new people, or a few casual players who do one or two game matches a night.

[@melizarainstormz2588]

Do I need to remind people they didn't even know their armor factor didn't work at launch until players told them ? I'm sure a lot of testing went into *THAT*.

[@Savior8701]

Dude, mechs could hit themselves with their own warheads when first introduced. QA has to be non-existent over at AH HQ.

[@omniframe8612]

6:36 “ we’re gonna come back with a plan for you its a 45 day plan , 45 points one point per day, get the 45 points we are back in business!” - Michael Scott

[@WVmatt1]

I dare all Helldivers to not play from Aug 15 till Oct 15th. That would give them about 61 days to fix this mess. If no ones, playing; they have no excuse not to fix it. Otherwise, i may be done with it. Ive got over 200+ hrs in the game, recently maxed the ship & have all the warbonds. Level 103 about & just along the idea of, why am i putting myself through this? My friends cant hardly join without the host being switched 20+ times, they cant join back when the hard crashes against bots happens. Just getting fed up with half baked ideas & "balance" changes. I want to have fun, not be realistic after my 8+ hrs at work. If thats the case, ill go play something else.

[@chihirocherrybaby2953]

Nope I’ll still be playing

[@yukioacumora4430]

I'm part of the 40k+ divers that just roll with thr punches and play regardless of inconsequential changes like *checks notes* Gibibg stagger back to thr slugger snd taking away some mags from the most boring weapon in the game.

[@jessecarter960]

Underneath every single comment. I’m assuming you don’t have a job and are an unemployed virgin

[@Jmsgmng]

“NOOOOOOO YOU CANT PLAY THE GAME AND HAVE FUN BECAUSE THEY NERFED 3 WEAPONS WAAHHHHH”

[@giga-dio]

I'll be playing Space Marine 2 by that time. Easy challenge.

[@Buzzkill44414]

I am pretty level headed about this stuff and not a rage gamer, but it’s depressing to see nerfs while difficulty continues to spike. Doing a level 6 is fun for trying out new loadout ideas but I also like the bigger enemy hordes at higher difficulty. However, being chased by six chargers while being ragdolled by an impaler is not a great time. The game is so close to being the right mix if the players had just a little more power. I loved helldive difficulty with the flamethrower and now 8’s are a slog. And the awful visibility in nearly every biome is very puzzling. Nobody even mentions it among the other issues but there is always something obscuring your vision.

[@180fJC]

Have you ever noticed that the lower difficulties can sometimes be harder than level 9 Helldive difficulty with the same load out, same people, etc? If you ask me, that's not balanced.

[@Buzzkill44414]

@@180fJC yeah. I did an 8 that was about as hard as a 10. Being chased relentlessly for 15 minutes. Last night on an 8 we had four stalker lairs.

[@jooot_6850]

They're not making the game any more difficult. They're making it more tedious.

[@Squigibo]

Need to rename game to "Ragdoll Juggle 2" ...my gun gets neefed, so I switch to the new meta, then that gets nerfed, switch again..... rinse repeat.

[@ventmonster]

My issue that people tend to skip over is this.... AH CEO stated that they have "long lead times and what we're seeing is weeks and months of development work." It has also been stated that the nerf wont be reverted to before the nerf as the fire effects would break the game in more ways. So the fire has been an issue for weeks or months and instead of fixing the issue they decided to lie about it. Patch notes: Adjusted flame effects to work more realistically. It doesn't go through various bodies/objects where bounce off would be the expected behavior, like on armors and static objects. That's not how fire works. They know it. We know it. They could have spent the time fixing the issues but instead decided to just gut the fire effects and give us this BS realism excuse. AH should have delayed the fire centric warbond until they could fix the fire. The team was away on holiday? Cool! enjoy your summer and spend time with your families. But knowing that they were already on thin ice with the community. They should have just said "wait the new fire weapons would break the game? Lets delay the warbond, players can enjoy the new enemies and we can focus on fixing up the game as we promised back in May." This would have saved so much face with AH. Now the player base is ripping the game, the developers, and the CEO apart. The amount of game breaking bugs is piling up and we're stuck on such a simple thing like fire.

[@camerynwa3498]

I am new to the channel, I stopped playing Helldivers after launch, as simply burnt out and my friends were no longer interested doing the same thing repeatedly. I didn't have as much as an issue but naturally stopped playing - the point is I don't play anymore, but am really enjoying the style of your videos , how you break stuff down and the editing is all top notch.

[@budge3281]

The state of the game doesnt matter. As long as there's active players the devs will be egotistical and arrogant dismissing criticism with "If the game is so bad why have we got so many players still? They must hate the game so much they keep coming back! xD" Just stop playing and they'll stop making excuses, theyre too out of touch.

[@Kaleidoscope007]

Time to take a break, the game does not feel the same anymore

[@broosycruise]

Yeah it does feel different, completely different since launch and for the better. The game has improved a lot since then and while I might not agree with every decision they make regarding balance, this ridiculous outrage and doom posting over the most minuscule things is completely over the top. There is by far a way bigger plethora of weapons and loadouts that I can use compared to launch and the game is fundamentally extremely enjoyable. Yes some weapons still suck (lib pen) but does that ruin the game and make me go full doomer? No. Quite frankly the hate arrowhead gets and the insults are not justified and youtubers like this one who farm this over the top outrage for clicks are pathetic honestly.

[@kenzagi1258]

​@@broosycruise Patriotic Hawk Tuah o7

[@Mr.-Toad]

Yeah why the #### do they want us to use stratagems, when you need upgrades?!

[@Bakemer94]

​@@broosycruise "I'm having fun so everyone else's opinion is invalid!"

[@broosycruise]

What's not making it fun for you? Do you feel limited by the loadout choices? Did you only ever have fun burning through chargers legs? Are you lacking in primary weapons that are effective? Because I only play on D10 and I feel like my options are vastly expanded compared to launch

[@GJAustin-s4j]

They have consistently given the middle finger to their players on multiple occasions. Each time they say they'll do better but never do. At this state HD2 should die so the players aren't subjected to this abusive behaviour.

[@SkullivanBones]

"we can't revert the flamethrower!" You mean you can't give it armor piercing damage again? Seems like a pretty easy change to implement to me...

[@SkeemborPeeblebutt]

Yeah they wrote "can't" but it reads like "won't."

[@jjsweetwandi7042]

"We need to have both eyes on the Automaton front" Buzz says, noone really gives a flip about it. That's my take about it. I did a small survey yesterday, and the players I asked, where really unhappy, and kind of agreed with "Losing" against the automatons.

[@thehdost7348]

When game released back in february, I truly believed it could compete as a serious GOTY contender. Launch was crazy, everyone was talking about the tiny game that no one saw coming, gameplay wise it was just pure, unfiltered FUN... and now...now what? Its just sabotaging itself...thats sad

[@kaakabe]

"What matters most now is action. Not talk." - "thats why we arrowhead gives you a wall of text and no action"

[@jacktheripper7935]

The only actions they take are nerfs lmao.

[@djangough]

The rise and fall of Helldivers 2 will go down in gaming history books as one of Sony’s biggest failures.

[@yukioacumora4430]

It sold 11 million and has an average of 40k divers daily that are there regardless of how rough it gets because they are catering to thr core audience rather thsn thr tourists that would leave on a whim anyway. They could just pack their bags and stop development right now because thry already made their bank from how successful it was ans still continues to sell.

[@NukeSiliconValley]

@@yukioacumora4430 you're under every negative comment shilling for helldivers. lame.

[@devoncruthis3841]

@@NukeSiliconValleyI’m the biggest shill for this game had a group & was the 5th & now just me, you gotta be idiotic in saying all this is overblown nerfing fire 2 days before a fire themed warbind I know all theese shills in the comments would be flipping there tune in battlefield was releasing an armored battle pass & nerf tanks & jets 2 days before like come on just asking for all this at this point I was one of the people shilling hella hard after the railgun & was like nah this the first patch in a month old game I might need to chill but when all that was going on, all the destiny 2 players knew what was coming

[@segevkrespi8609]

​@@yukioacumora4430The player count dropped to a daily max count of 30k and only got higher thanks to the "major" update. It's around 50k players as I'm writing this. This number will soon drop because the devs just don't release any interesting content anymore and there is little to do in the endgame - I'm lvl 126 btw, with over 300 hours playing and loving this game. They need to change their approach to this game and fast

[@quinzezinhophilomeno]

@@yukioacumora4430 Core audience? bro helldivers 1 had a peak of 3k players a month before helldivers 2 released and 700 or less before, if your "core audience" means 3k players max in a Live service, well good luck defending super earth over and over again while people just play other things and have actual fun instead of running away from fights because it's a cooldown simulator fest And 40k counting psn+pc is horrible when you see the steady decline for a only 6 month old game that aims at beeing a live service, in a year if this game peak at 5k it will be a miracle if things go the way they are rn

[@PenitentTanngent]

I do love how they constantly make it worse and seem to show no slowing down. I started getting bad vibes after the few updates and then remembered the third alien enemy has been leaked pretty much since launch and still no clear signs of it being implemented. I think they hate the player base unironically even letting alone the statements the CMs/Devs have made. the result of each update just reinforces that vibe

[@zellergonosz]

Well, they are still stupid. The 60-day plan mostly addresses specific things players pointed out. Beyond that it's more "corporate bullshit", without any promise, based on which they could be held accountable in the future. People might get what they want now, but next week it will be the same as before. Perfectly demonstrated by the last point of the 60-day plan: "Rework chargers". Who the fuck said chargers are bad? People said the weapons they need to use to deal with chargers are shit, therefore chargers are more aggrevating than ever. For fucks sake did they ever learn how to listen? Or is it that they will let this specific nerf go, but then rework the charger so they can keep nerfing weapons, without any noticeable influence on gameplay? Fucking great job either way.

[@OutlawViIe]

The reason smaller studio games have magic, is because their small size allows them to be agile, flexible, and let their creativity hit the frontline with expeditious fervor. The HDII dev team seems to have grown too big, or too corporate, and has become slow, corpulent and zombified. 60 days turn around for what should be a quick finger snap rollback and work on the change you'd still have to spend the 60days on, thus allowing your players to retain the enjoyment they had was the correct move. But they can't do that, due to some level of incompetence. Be it poor planning, weak or incapable support/back up systems, or a simple a lack of understanding of how to do things right.

[@MrHocotateFreight]

The devs have actively stated how they are happy in a mess so long as they can drag others through it So we're leaving. We listened to their words and took them at face value.

[@cringejoestar9791]

When did they state that lmao

[@yukioacumora4430]

Well at least we will be left with a community that doesn't call to fire the devs constantly and harass them every time they breathe. Not to say that devs are perfect, thry stilk have s lot to do, but my god this is why you gatekeep communities

[@Andyisgodcky]

@@cringejoestar9791 He's paraphrasing the guys saying he's at least glad people are mad because it means they still care.

[@Spectacular_Insanity]

@@AndyisgodckyWhich isn’t even true. Most people are already apathetic. We’re only sticking around to watch the train-wreck like a bunch of rubber-neckers. 😂

[@cringejoestar9791]

@@Andyisgodcky thats a hell of a paraphrase considering that very much twists it well away from the original context

[@TotPocket]

Start big. Fix the issues that are stunting the players' fun, beginning with the weapon viability (or lack thereof). Then, while the community has a good time, work on everything else. It's the only way to save the game

[@broosycruise]

What are the only "viable" weapons for you?

[@TotPocket]

@broosycruise maybe "viable" is the wrong word. I'm mainly looking at how certain weapons are completely outclassed by others and/or are made less useful with the addition of new enemies, especially the Impaler

[@Jmsgmng]

@@broosycruise the weapons that youtubers and streamers tell them that they should like.

[@Jmsgmng]

@@TotPocket stop using primary weapons on tank enemies it’s not going to work.

[@TotPocket]

@Jmsgmng did I say I was using primaries on heavies? Each weapon has its role, and some are better at their role than others. An example is the breaker spray and pray vs the breaker incendiary pre-nerf. No one used the s&p because it had lower damage and worse handling than the incen, and didn't have the flame effect. Strategems (support weapons included!) are the answer for heavies, 90% of the time. 450+ hours of playtime has proven that. Please be careful about making assumptions like that, because we all know what assuming does

[@castilezach7419]

Let's just hope AH has a Super Earth biom prepared...

[@northlandphoenix]

Lol, I'm taking a break right now, but oddly enough I will come back to fight on super earth, just to see what it looks like and to see that story. But in true arrowhead fashion, they probably don't have it ready and Joel will have to do some wordplay on why the bots magically lost control of those planets.

[@DutchGuyMike]

@@northlandphoenix Please don't fight for winning, just to check it out. We need to lose this time to get them to understand that we are just so horribly tired and that the enemies are getting harder and we weaker.

[@Carpatheon.]

I still want to play this game, but every time i'm close to pulling the trigger and buying it, something else happens that makes me stay away. At this point I don't think this will ever be a game I buy, which is a shame, because it looks like a fun game, if the devs can just get out of their own way.

[@JohnSmith-xk5ou]

It's getting harder and harder to come back to helldivers with these constant reworks and nerfs. I hate how I have to watch a youtube video every other time I play to see what weapon doesn't suck at the moment. I'll see a short come up about how "this weapon is really good", but can't put any weight behind the video because AH probably changed the weapon stats again making the video obsolete.

[@OZRETH]

I’ll believe it when I see it. Until then I’ll wait for SpaceMarine2. AH deserves the hate for repeatedly lying.

[@maksc3781]

Reverting the last update is a simple process that only requires a few clicks. While this will undo recent fixes, the team can reimplement them over time as they adjust the code. This approach would please many players and demonstrate a genuine commitment to improving the game. For context, I have worked as a game dev and am familiar with coding.

[@badgoat6926]

Anyone who has coded knows this

[@alexmikedis9609]

they claim its not that simple somehow, like wtf are they doing that they can't just change 3 numbers back to what they were

[@M4rckkk]

do you know how we could change the damage numbers on the guns? or is it server side?

[@D_ROCK_8791]

Don’t hold your breath folks for one holding your breath for 60 days is detrimental for your health for two we know damn good and well they ain’t fixing this game in 60 days that’s laughable

[@kevong938]

Imagine every players pulled up to the studio. They’d quickly understand why you need strong weapons when facing a horde 😂

[@tyrant-nephilimasukara6912]

Man this was such an easy fix, they didnt have to change anything about chargers or how fire interacts with terminids/armored enemies, instead they could have made a new enemy type for the new difficulty and made it resistant to fire/explosive dmg or have enough armor to ignore flamethrowers like chargers do now, at least that would have made sense and wouldnt have gutted their new warbond on release plus would have been a way to increase the difficulty without ruining the overall experience They need to stop nerfing the player and start buffing the enemies in ways like I mentioned above, giving them different resistances to different types of dmg, different types of bugs that can inflict other status effects like bleed or numb(reduces ability to aim accurately) bugs based on the planet their on, cold planets have ice bugs that have special ice armor that's only affected by fire/explosives and could have more HP than fire/regular bugs fire worlds have fire bugs that run at you explode and they also deal more dmg than ice/regular bugs These planets could have increased XP, Req chips and samples

[@peterchestowski2419]

There should be an Arms race between us and the enemies. People create a meta/use certain guns for too long... make the enemies gain special bonuses. Spawn more units of certain type, apply a shield to some. Super Earth command if it was in any way "realistic" they would promote OP weapons, make more of them and upgrade them to be even more OP. You want to win, right? I never saw a soldier saying " My weapon/tank/plane is too powerful, we should make it weaker to make it FAIR". Like.... really? Bots and bugs should change to screw with our OP META builds. While also SEC must work on upgrading other weapons, so that if enemy changes their tactics, we could swap for different guns, to counter their defences.

[@FCScout80913]

They had a great chance, but they blew it by attacking things that players found fun for the sake of 'balance.' Arrowhead had a finite amount of time to build a loyal player base before the juggernaut that is Space Marine 2 showed up. Now that juggernaut is around the corner, Arrowhead has managed to aggravate nearly everyone, and the death knell is ringing.

[@AWARHERO]

1. More then HALF of the primary weapons are shyte. Buff THEM instead of nerfing those that works. 2. DEVS MUST play their game at LVL 8 and above to LEARN....

[@Rat_Fบcker]

yeah they should play at diff 9 and with set of equipment and they'll need to buff it until they complete the mission

[@adamm1117]

Saw someone suggest it before, but we need gameplay footage of devs themselves playing high difficulty matches on non meta weapons. Let's see them do what they're asking players to do

[@jooot_6850]

The devs are playing a different game than we are. They're playing Windows Excel while we're playing Helldivers

[@Sorain1]

@@adamm1117 You'll see them doing the 'throw stratagem, then run until it's off cooldown.' kiting strategy. Because that's the only thing that has consistently worked since launch.

[@adamm1117]

Not sure if that'll be enough but hey I'm all for seeing that if they can even do that much

[@TheCADDestMonkey]

Have ~250hrs on HD2 but quit playing after the erupter nerf debacle. It's a cool game and the environments are neat but the devs don't deserve a thriving, consistent player base. I won't open the game again until I hear good news from the community. And even then I might be gone for good. Was fun while it lasted.

[@gibster9624]

IF, and it's a big if, they manage to actually get better at balancing weapons rather than nerfing them into the ground, they still have the big problem of their community managers being kind of awful people who behave like overly controlling DMs.

[@Cyber_Hamburglar]

Arrowhead needs to look back at the history of the community and response from Bungie and Destiny/Destiny 2. While not perfect, the realistic expectations and communication from the studio/community team made huge impact in the community overall.

[@lightingthief4482]

I remembered how Destiny 2 started off. It was ROUGH but the thing that saved the game (until recently) is *communication* . They kept the players in on what's going on, stay true to the plan, and as a result the game got revived

[@onthespiral4054]

Robots have heat sinks. Somehow flames don’t work

[@AlfaKrakenLive]

Their decision to change fire DMG was super odd with a fire warbond arriving two days later

[@jacktheripper7935]

"REaLiSm"

[@jooot_6850]

Realism: Pointing a high-powered, armor melting laser into the sensitive optics of an Automaton does.. nothing. It doesn't blind them at all. They still shoot back at you just fine.

[@timothyosborn637]

Just revert the game to March. Would love to have the crash fixes too. But id rather have the game back to what it was in March.

[@yukioacumora4430]

Why thr fuck would you suggest getting rid of the Spear fix, getting rid of lasers doing fire damage, getting rid of thr speed loader for thr revolver, and making the bots have 1 shot body shot rockets and 1 shot head shot bullets, and EAT/recoiless rockets needing 2-3 hits to kill most heavies??? People are so blinded by the railgun nerf that they litterslly do not see any of thr other 100+ positive changes thst they have made oh my god.

[@tonyhacker5980]

​@@yukioacumora4430cope. Seethe

[@segevkrespi8609]

​@@yukioacumora4430devs have made some good changes but at the same time they nerf fan favorite weapons which is kinda dumb

[@HeatherKayagi]

@@yukioacumora4430 Spear getting a fix just to still be an unviable weapon choice is such a punch in the face

[@Jmsgmng]

@@HeatherKayagispear literally one shots bile titans lol you do not be playing this game bro

[@Uknown76]

I have never seen a game dev team absolutely drop the ball with one of the biggest game of the year, absolute insanity

[@Lupandwich]

There was a line in that message that send me off the deep end: "Improve our process for patch/release notes - providing more context and reasoning behind changes" This just tells me that Arrowhead are going to continue with BS nerfs. Why would they need to provide more context if only to win the argument for the nerf. I hope that Arrowhead will change, but that line is telling me otherwise.

[@Erowid13]

also one thing i do love is they never talk about how shitty the optimization and stability for the game STILL is. it has not improved one bit since launch.

[@z0mbifi3r37]

^^^^ Yep, game has ran like garbage since launch and every update usually makes it worse

[@jooot_6850]

Frequent crashes on PS5. My buddies on PC have bad lag spikes as well.

[@novaket1264]

As someone whos been playing the game since February, a literal birthday gift to me, seeing what is going on, it hurts to really play the game anymore. All my friends who are Level 70 and above are outright done playing the game due to the incompetent ideas that Arrowhead just pushes out. It just hurts to have this happen to a game that gave me the fun factor that missed in games nowadays.

[@Jmsgmng]

Your freinds left the game because they wanted a power fantasy or they just outright sucked at the game The entire point of helldivers is for there to be a challenge it’s not fun to one shot tank enemies it actually sucks to one shot tank enemies that’s why nerfs exist maybe if you and your friends weren’t so incompetent at the game you’d still be having fun

[@jorgepascual169]

@@Jmsgmng no they left because the game is trash lol you stayed cuz you have shit taste

[@jimijenkins2548]

@@Jmsgmng Great way to bridge that divide there, negotiator. You are making me more sure I made the right choice walking away from this rabid community.

[@jacktheripper7935]

@@Jmsgmng Go do a naked lvl 1 playthrough on Elden Ring if you want a challenge just for a challenge. And very nice of you to insult him and his friends like that just because of your "git gud" sh*tty mentality...

[@Jmsgmng]

@@jimijenkins2548 yeah please leave no need for your toxicity

[@BC-vv3ot]

Announce weekly adjustments with a player feedback period. Small adjustments focusing on a particular weapon and getting it to a good spot across all difficulties.

[@ViciousVitiate]

Despite chargers being janky and sometimes oppresive i actually dont think you HAVE to nerf them. If we continue down this nerf happy road for player equipment then yes the enemies are going to need to be powered down but if they stop this and hopefully revert some of these bad choices then you can leave chargers as is because my tools will actually work.

[@CookieManCookies]

Pretty sure that the realism argument only works when they're nerfing things.

[@Zorojuro1111]

Screw it let the bugs and bots win maybe then we will get better weapons. Sick of it.

[@redfish6549]

If you need better weapon to even play/have fun, i dont think youre using them to "have fun" but an excuse to not lower the diff. Crazy that the hard mode is actually.... hard.

[@Harvest133]

​@@redfish6549 corpo bootlicker detected. Opinion disregarded.

[@Zorojuro1111]

@@redfish6549 no one said it was to hard bro we are talking about the content being nerfed constantly. Maybe play the game and you would know. Because we must not be playing the same thing. Aww I see the problem your playing fortnight makes sense.

[@Folfah]

@@redfish6549 tell us you have no idea whats happening without telling us. you need to open your eyes kiddo

[@jooot_6850]

@@redfish6549 this game is not hard. you can solo super helldive by just RUNNING AWAY from everything. The problem is the game isn't FUN to play like that

[@jakeMTSU]

I just the game is a bit to repetitive and grindy, but its fun as hell for sure... if i don't get disconnected on extract...

[@Jhunbugz_650]

I couldn’t join/host a single game yesterday. Tried for about 15-20 min and just gave up after that lol

[@StealingYourWiFi]

I used to be able to log in and look through a planet and see multiple games going on at once. I legit logged in today and there was like 2-3 games going on on a planet meant to be defended.. Insane but not shocking.

[@BurnByMoonlight]

I never wanted this. I never wanted to unleash my helldivers. Together, we banished the ignorance of the first galactic war. But you betrayed me, you betrayed us all. You stole power from the guns and lied to your consumers. Mankind has only one chance to prosper, if you will not seize it, then I WILL. So let it be war, from the skies of Super Earth to the Galactic Rim. Let the seas boil, let the stars fall. Though it takes the last drop of my blood, I will see the galaxy freed once more. And if I cannot save it from your failure, Super President, then let Super Earth BURN!

[@wickermind6668]

I still remember this game on launch and the month after, it was getting nothing but praise, but love. AH was regarded so highly among the indie dev industry. I've never seen such a worse fall from grace than this. A game that had so many players that the servers couldn't handle them, now needing a 60-day plan to save it.

[@Lethal_Venom]

Been planing a lot of Elden Ring the past few days. It’s so refreshing I’m so done with the mental drain of live service shooter games. Signed : Former Destiny 2 player

[@lilmason1664]

Wait wtf I did the same thing After the new helldivers update dropped I started playing elden ring from the start lmao

[@Lethal_Venom]

@@lilmason1664 Haha nice! It’s been on my wish list since the game dropped and a friend of mine played it when it came out and said it’s really good, just tough as I’m finding out but I do enjoy it. Destiny has completely fallen off the rails and I had been playing that since 2014. Helldivers is a fun game I’m just so tired of developers being their own worst enemy, they just can’t help themselves from screwing things up. I’m only level 38 in Elden Ring but so far it’s been great. A lot of stuff to learn being my first Fromsoft / Soul’s type game

[@KeiraLunar]

i own Elden Ring as well just not found time to really get into it yet been to fixated on Kingdom Hearts

[@Lethal_Venom]

@@KeiraLunar I have not played Kingdom Hearts but I’ve heard it’s good. Elden Ring is really in depth as far as the builds and all the stats. I’m still learning a lot with it. I’ve needed something to fill the time sink that D2 used to have with me but I’ve been reluctant to get into another live service game. Elden ring seems to fit that void well

[@KeiraLunar]

@@Lethal_Venom i like kingdom hearts cause im rewarded for become an overpowered key-blade user not to mention its no easy game or series either and im taking on each game at the highest difficultly and getting as close to 100% for each title as well one day i will get back to elden ring just not right now cause i been wanting to play kingdom hearts since it came to pc but could not due to it being stuck on Epic game store but now after 3 years of waiting its finally on steam

[@eliasar2924]

I'm sorry, but I've gotten to the point where I'm just waiting for the release of space marine 2 to leave this mess that arrowhead has created.

[@Vainber]

Arrowhead: we listened to the communiti but we count to do what we want to do

[@jean-francoissoucy8340]

I'm really starting to not care about HD2. I'm more looking forward to Space Marine 2 however many years to do whatever fix they want to do.

[@TravisInPointillism]

Theory: the game devs lean into the satire of "Managed democracy;" They're playing their part as the overlords of democracy in the universe, spreading it and undermining it all at the same time. They're like politicians that claim to listen to the people, promise change, but end up undermining the progress. In the end, it's the soldiers on the ground that get the raw end of the deal. Example: WE GAVE YOU A FLAME THEMED BOND! (While also nerfing flame weapons). Can't get more politician than that. So, in the end, the devs aren't inept, they're simply playing their role in the narrative of spreading mismanaged managed democracy. If this is the case, it's brilliant and funny.

[@spiceweasel8972]

Here, AH, I’ll give you a suggestion for one of your incoming buffs incoming within the next 59 days. Liberator Bullet damage increased by 20% And/Or Liberator Magazine capacity increased by 50%

[@jacktheripper7935]

Both

[@skylerspurlock4755]

Been over a week since I’ve been able to host a mission and it’s still not working! Sos beacon doesn’t work either! I saw an update dropped while I was at work and I thought, finally!,hell yea! And I got home and my game on ps5 still broken! 😞

[@chihirocherrybaby2953]

I haven’t had the problem maybe just some people have

[@germainiumge19]

I'm actually reluctant of playing the game now, if what I've heard is true that some crashes causes your save to be corrupted and be lost

[@Jmsgmng]

@@germainiumge19thats flat out just not true.

[@erka9618]

It’s the same story every update, mediocre/bad new content… terrible balance changes. Not surprising that the player numbers keeps going down.

[@XxJohn_HaloxX]

We deserved the illuminate before Space Marine 2, I’m back on deep rock galactic because Helldivers has felt like garbage to play for me personally.

[@hargert]

I gave them the benifit of a doubt last time, I am done.

[@guldcat1619]

Honestly, if I were them, I'd release an Emergency Measures ongoing campaign status that reduces strategem cooldown by 50-75%. Sounds extreme, but it puts it more in line with both HD1 cooldowns and with AH vision of having players feel useless with primaries and reliant upon strategems. The main nuisance is just that it isn't fun running around for three minutes while you wait until you can actually play the game again. But a mad 20-40 second scrap with underpowered weapons finishing with big boom wahey? Sounds pretty fun, and easily crawled back when the 60 day work gets done.

[@guldcat1619]

Additionally, as part of this, I wouldn't go live with any weapon tweaks whatsoever. I'd run weekly mechanical tests in the new live beta and skip all the cosmetic tweaks, and just use that as a playground for messing around with numbers throughout the 60 days. Roll out weekly thematic batches - AR and Machine Guns Week, SMG and Launcher week, etc. - and push players to trial out the flavour of the week and report back. Then you have your real Escalation of Freedom after so and so many weeks that bundles all the learns into a handful of balance patches.

[@OneTato]

Automatons are just visiting their uncle J.O.E.L. They set my flame thrower to out door grill so imma make bug burgers and let super earf deal with bots

[@naut7845]

There are more views on this video that was uploaded 5h ago at the time of me posting this comment than there are Divers on Steam rn

[@fitzwits]

I don't trust liars. I don't trust arrowhead anymore. Their word means nothing to them.