Top 10 Worst Planeswalkers

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@Spyromancy598
@Spyromancy598 Жыл бұрын
I will never get over the emotional damage of going to Avacyn Restored prerelease. My friend pulls a Craterhoof, I pull a Tibalt.
@Y0G0FU
@Y0G0FU Жыл бұрын
eheheh same... i got Tibalt. 2 of my friends got Craterhoof :(
@AlienCowThatMoos
@AlienCowThatMoos Жыл бұрын
Tibalt is at least memorable. I pulled a playset of Decent into Madness over the course of that set.
@lazyreverend3247
@lazyreverend3247 Жыл бұрын
You named off some good walkers that are meant to support your decks strategy. There are much worse walkers just saying....
@TsaDude
@TsaDude Жыл бұрын
Dude at my first ever magic event, 16 year old me pulled a Sphinx' Revelation ($25 at the time) and the dude sitting next to me traded me a fkn Tibalt for it after the prerelease. "It's a planeswalker so it's gotta be good" god i was so dumb 🤣
@mastershake42019
@mastershake42019 Жыл бұрын
EEEmOITIonaal DAMage!!!!!!
@jettblade
@jettblade Жыл бұрын
I do like that this list was restricted to Mythics because lower rarity cards tend to be less powerful intentionally. I don't think they any of these are unplayable they just need the right deck to shine. Chandra Ablaze is one where she wasn't printed with a whole lot of support to help her. She likes Maddness and can work extremely well with it. Also the fact she doesn't exile the cards from your graveyard really helps her because you can do some really stupid things with it. I've actually had success with Tibalt, mostly in commander. Surprisingly the disrespect people have for him can work against them. Had this one game where I was just sitting there ticking up Tibalt while they were building up their board and I was able to take all their stuff slap them with it for the win, this actually wasn't a commander game. There is this card from Neon Dynasty called Containment Construct that can make Tibalt's +1 usable. He is still not anywhere 'good' but he isn't as bad as he was with some more support.
@freddiesimmons1394
@freddiesimmons1394 Жыл бұрын
A card being better because people don't rate it well doesn't mean it's good. It means the players are bad
@PhantomRXY
@PhantomRXY Жыл бұрын
Before you comment how these planeswalkers are “good” remember these are just the “worst” ones planeswalkers are very hard to be bad 😅
@SonicLink1622
@SonicLink1622 Жыл бұрын
You could still use Nissa's search ability if you want to just shuffle your library as you can fail to find as that ability is giving you a specific quality of the card to search for (AKA card name). So if you hit a land pocket or a nonland pocket, you have an option to shuffle your library whenever you need to as long as Nissa stays alive.
@catz_ee
@catz_ee Жыл бұрын
Gideon Champion of Justice is pretty funny against certain combos though. I was running a landfall deck and had just cast a kicked Rite of Replication on my Avenger of Zendikar for ludicrous amounts of tokens. Then my friend played a Gideon, used his +1, and cast a creature board wipe, leaving him with a 100+ loyalty Gideon.
@CidAghast
@CidAghast Жыл бұрын
I got a hard disagree on some of these. Mu and dovan Are both able to protect themselves. So while they weren't great cards any walker that can defend itself is at least a solid C. Also ajani dosnt read good now but back in the day he was a solid card in token decks.
@zarator7429
@zarator7429 Жыл бұрын
I mean, "worst 10" doesn't mean they're necessarily bad - it just mean they are worse than other options. Which PWs would you have considered for the list instead?
@CidAghast
@CidAghast Жыл бұрын
im aware but Ajan was a serious card in his day and the worst Planeswalkers tend to hit the board and do nothing. Id say other bad ones that should be here are Liliana of the Dark Relms, Samut the Tested and Jaya Ballard
@zarator7429
@zarator7429 Жыл бұрын
@@CidAghast It's true that all those three cards might've been good candidates - and certainly had much less of a historical record than Ajani Goldmane did. But I'm not 100% sure they're actually worse in terms of sheer powerlevel, which I believe is what this video is going for. For example, I'd argue that Liliana of the Dark Realms is actually stronger than Ajani Goldmane - her +1 is actual card advantage, minor as it may be (I'd rather draw a Swamp than gain 2 life most time), her -3 can actually kill stuff, and her ult is a bit more likely to actually end the game in a hurry than Ajani's is
@CidAghast
@CidAghast Жыл бұрын
@@zarator7429 I mean context for magic cards is everything. Like Savage Knuckleblade looked and seems like an amazing card but the context it existed it made it kinda a wet fart
@solbradguy7628
@solbradguy7628 Жыл бұрын
I actually run Sarkhan the Mad in my Ur Dragon deck and I really like it there. The 0 is some card draw in a pinch, the minus is the only instance of targeted sacrifice I can think of and can be really nice removal sometimes, and the ult can hit as soon as he comes down and closes out a lot of games. There are so many times where you can swing all and then hit someone for basically double damage in second main or swing all at one player and then hit another with the ult. It's at least fast enough to include in an aggressive creature based deck.
@zylo4029
@zylo4029 2 ай бұрын
I really don’t get why Sarkhan is on this list, even at #10. A 5 mana sorcery that reads “If you have enough Dragons, kill target player” seems pretty good to me, and his other abilities are ok too
@ChuggaChoo
@ChuggaChoo Жыл бұрын
I made a pillow fort Gideon deck that won my locals 60 player standard tournament. It was probably the only format he is good in.
@maxastro
@maxastro Жыл бұрын
It was funny to see Huatli on here. I built a sliver Brawl deck with her as the commander and she actually ends up being disgusting most games. I'm sure there are much better choices, but i really like her. In a sliver deck her ultimate is pretty trivial to get off, and her second ability becomes the actual kill ability.
@grimgorlefort
@grimgorlefort Жыл бұрын
I've seen Mu Yanling multiple time in duel commander, in bird/flying deck. Setting up birds and lowering my creature power was quite anoying. When youbgo first and can play mu yanling t2 and a 4/4 bird t3 is quite strong
@Draqson
@Draqson Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think both 6 mana Mu Yanlings are worse than the 3 mana one, especially the Celestial Wind one: 6 mana for -3 bounce 2 creatures or +1 -5/-0 - and only in the third turn you can give your fliers +5/+5 - any blue flyer deck has won by that point or is so far behind it doesnt matter... It's such a shame really, we get spammed with Teferi's with broken effects and then there is Mu Yanling, just weaker.
@BraxtonMeyer
@BraxtonMeyer Жыл бұрын
if you are in Selesnia and don't have creatures out by whenever you play Huatli, you have built your deck wrong.now the -1 ability is shit but these other takes are stupi.
@NotSoSerious69420
@NotSoSerious69420 Жыл бұрын
She’s alright in decks built around using her sure, but most cards are good when built around lol. She’s a “win more” card rather than a card that actually gets you to win.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
Most cards in said Selesnya deck are good on their own on top of being good with other cards, though.
@schwarzerritter5724
@schwarzerritter5724 3 ай бұрын
At first glance, I thought Huatli had a duel disk.
@copperfield42
@copperfield42 Жыл бұрын
in Tibal case, is funny that in its third iteration it literally broke the game and needed a rules change to put back in line XD so he goes from a joke, to whatever, to break the game... what a way to overcompensate XD
@Xylotonic
@Xylotonic 9 ай бұрын
Gideon, Champion of Justice is such a scary thing in Phelddagrif group hug.
@eulefranz944
@eulefranz944 Жыл бұрын
9:05 Fail to find??
@JonnMcDude
@JonnMcDude Жыл бұрын
I don't understand, some of the reasons for being in the list are basically "this is bad because there are better planeswalkers" or "this doesn't fit my view of the game (which is apparently everything not competitive Modern is not relevant for the video)". Some loyal abilities are bashed by pointing only the potential downside like "Nissa's ability does nothing if you don't have elves in play". Man, just because a card does not fit your idea of Modern (and probably Legacy) doesn't mean that it's bad. While it is true that all those planeswalkers don't fit in the current Modern meta you also have to realise (a thing you did in other videos) that context (Ajani Goldmane being in pro tour decks) and format (Nissa and Huatli are good with amazing payoffs in Commander for example) are something to take in mind when writing the script for a video (you even bashed that Gideon because it is bad in competitive constructed while showing the C21 printing, which is the exact context and format for that card). I appreciate your videos but you seriously need to put more effort when researching cards, making a list pointing flaws on cards only based on one single point of view is like saying "Counterspell is a bad card because it is blue and I don't play blue in my RDW strategy".
@averyfrejoles2515
@averyfrejoles2515 Жыл бұрын
Top 10 cards with MTG World Champion faces/art? 👀
@stephenb5085
@stephenb5085 3 ай бұрын
Do these walkers get stronger as it goes on? Im sorry, id take old ajani over sarkahn any day
@astuteanansi4935
@astuteanansi4935 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how much better Tibalt gets if you just remove the two words "at random". Considering that, as mentioned, his other effects are very situational, and looting isn't even card advantage, I feel like that would've made him at least playable without being blatantly overpowered at 2 mana. (Faithless Looting, for 1 mana, has the same effect as using that ability twice.)
@dubergg1522
@dubergg1522 Жыл бұрын
tbh i disagree that ajani goldmane is bad. he may not be the strongest planeswalker and isnt the best in the late game but you can get him in as early as turn 3 and if your lucky enough get a 24/24 on turn 6. i played a selesnia deck with goldmane in the opening hand and killed a white-black deck by turn 8.
@archwing3441
@archwing3441 Жыл бұрын
I guess my understanding of MtG is fairly lacking (I started watching these from his yugioh videos). I didn't think these cards were that bad until we got to Gideon. Like, maybe I'm a small brain monkey but I sort of like Chandra. She's expensive (the part of MtG I always underestimate) but I think her +1 and her -7 are great. You only have to use the +1 twice to use her -7 and I read her +1 as "turn any red card in your hand into a 0 mana deal 4 sorcery." and her -7 reads as "use all your burn spells you used on your opponent's creatures to hit your opponent's face for game."
@falc0n12
@falc0n12 Жыл бұрын
there are far better, less punishing planeswalker abilities at that mana cost, and that might work in a vaccum, but not so much in practice
@dantr14
@dantr14 Жыл бұрын
Even in commander Tibslt doesn’t seem that good sure you could theoretically pull it off but token decks and stompy decks I.e. the things you would most want from him probably can get around all the protections needed the second his ultimate ability actually becomes a threat
@Lilybun
@Lilybun Жыл бұрын
Do a "biggest numbers in magic (not X)"
@1bla1
@1bla1 Жыл бұрын
Sarkhan was played extensively in Standard Jund. Not great but definitely not a top 10 bad planeswaker
@NotSoSerious69420
@NotSoSerious69420 Жыл бұрын
I think being good in standard doesn’t make a card particularly good. Lots of really bad cards are usable on standard due to limited card pool/power level.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
What planeswalker not on the list would fit better?
@stephenboerner251
@stephenboerner251 Жыл бұрын
Wait but I love Chandra ablaze's plus one. If I'm in mono red PLEASE let me just discard an irrelevant 1drop creature to throw 4 to dome. Plus fuel for my underworld breach and delirium cards??? STRAIGHT MONEY BABY At least that's my opinion. I'm a degenerate red player tho so please discuss
@restionSerpentine
@restionSerpentine Жыл бұрын
I remember when wizards of the costs would say they Never print a planswalker.. and their Blind Seerer card was a way to do that, and stay true to that statement
@GoatTheBomb
@GoatTheBomb Жыл бұрын
Huatli is so fire thoooooooo
@werhsdnas
@werhsdnas Жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Karn from DMU is worse than a lot of these
@energetek661
@energetek661 3 ай бұрын
Karn living legacy is goated. Best planeswalker ever! So busted.
@corey2232
@corey2232 Жыл бұрын
Giddy-On! Giddy-up! 🐎🐎🐎
@UniversalSouls
@UniversalSouls Ай бұрын
ALL planeswalkers SUCK!@#$%&*
@galtar862
@galtar862 Жыл бұрын
This comment section is just people that are defending their shitty pet cards lmao
@NotSoSerious69420
@NotSoSerious69420 Жыл бұрын
People in worst card comment sections ALWAYS say their pet cards are secretly bangers. Anyone who says their card does well in commander is 100% cracked. Yes yes I’m sure your really shitty walker is great in commander because people are too busy beating you up to worry about some mid walker with abilities that don’t do much lmao.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
The worst thing is that they defend that X card shouldn't be in the list because it isn't that bad, but then when asked what other card is worse, they realize they don't have an answer.
@alexloeher8628
@alexloeher8628 Жыл бұрын
Hear that guys? A 3 mana walker that drops a 4/4 flier and sticks around would only maybe see some play lol
@dstreetz91
@dstreetz91 Жыл бұрын
Goldmane was used in standard back in it's day IIRC due to token decks. Just used the 1/1 counters ability over and over until the opponent died. They also weren't sure what planeswalkers were capable of since they were a brand new card type.
@ianstewart7899
@ianstewart7899 Жыл бұрын
has this dude even played magic? Goldmane was a deck staple back when he was first printed.
@Y0G0FU
@Y0G0FU Жыл бұрын
@@ianstewart7899 ofc he was. The mechanic was brand new. But given what good planeswalkers do these days Goldmane is shit :P
@vert3432
@vert3432 Жыл бұрын
@@Y0G0FU I've got a planeswalker that does the 1/1 counter thing passively, on attack. (Gideon Oathsworn), That's so bad as an ability it's now a passive.
@seandun7083
@seandun7083 Жыл бұрын
​@@vert3432 for two more mana. It also doesn't give vigilance or effect creatures that entered this turn.
@dandyx12
@dandyx12 Жыл бұрын
@@Y0G0FU Indeed, and thats the wrinkle in assessing cards from Magic's vast history, all of the Lorwyn ones seemed to err on the side of caution regarding power levels due to being a brand new card type, Mr Goldman was quite handy in the White Weenie decks of the time, buffing assiorted 1 and 2 drop Kithkin alog the Spectral Procession flyers or even Cloudgoat Ranger with a perfect curve out was most likely the 2nd best of the first wave behiind OG Wildspeaker (an arguement could be made for Jace but Fairys was so over the curve he was just a win more sort thing for them)
@brosam_
@brosam_ Жыл бұрын
The thing with a lot of these is that you don't mention how good they are in the specifics niches they fill and instead are basically just in the "I'm gonna build Atraxa superfriends" mindset. Like with Hualti, Radiant Champion, her +1 is meant to appeal to one of the top selesnya/naya strats of all time, being tokens. And also having at least four creatures out by the time you get Huatli out in selesnya is easy so idk why it's being seen as this huge endeavor in the reasoning
@robertbeisert3315
@robertbeisert3315 Жыл бұрын
Huatli screams "token spam", to me. I used to run loyalty elves that could print tokens fast enough to make her pretty usable.
@jphoenix3242
@jphoenix3242 Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure both Huatli and Mu Yanling saw some competitive play back during their own standard formats.
@Spooky_Bard
@Spooky_Bard Жыл бұрын
I actually like Huatli, Radiant Champion in EDH, just because her abilities gel with the format much better. First, the four player nature tends towards gummy boardstates and makes Planeswalkers less of a target-after all, you’ve got two other people to worry about. Her second ability also helps pump up your commander to more easily threaten 21 commander damage. The emblem also lacks the “nontoken” stipulation, which turns token producers into crazy draw engines-and in a format where consistency is kneecapped and games tend to go very long, card advantage is king.
@ReyosBlackwood
@ReyosBlackwood Жыл бұрын
That's kind of the problem, TheManaLogs entirely ignores EDH even though it's still the most popular format in Magic by far, most of their analysis of worst cards falls apart because so many of them work better in multiplayer, or slower, higher CMC formats with strategies that do well in EDH.
@robinlinh
@robinlinh Жыл бұрын
@@ReyosBlackwood tbh for MTG top 10 I prefer Nizzahon cause he actually plays magic, and base on some data to back up his list. Especially for the worst cards top 10 he usually refference EDH as well because if they don't even get to see play in EDH mean they are pretty much hopeless
@EthanSchaefer-ys7bc
@EthanSchaefer-ys7bc 2 ай бұрын
That is how I feel about Nissa Revane I use her in my most powerful deck where I gain a whole bunch of life and then swamp my opponents with Elves.
@ericgasper6135
@ericgasper6135 Жыл бұрын
Ajani Goldmain was in LSV's top 8 black while tokens Pro Tour deck. He's actually fantastic, just not broad enough to see play outside go-wide strategies. That's not a bad thing though, because most are only good in the right deck.
@TheDougWay
@TheDougWay Жыл бұрын
He was also great with Kitchen Finks since his +1/+1 counters could cancel out with their -1/-1 counters to be able to persist again and again. Sure he seems bad now but he was great back in the day and could still be good with enough persist and/or proliferate.
@photografo9240
@photografo9240 Жыл бұрын
He's great in lifegain decks for commander too. I've built Lathiel and he works really well in there.
@juliandacosta6841
@juliandacosta6841 Жыл бұрын
​@@TheDougWay persist only allows it to come back once unless you remove the -1/-1 counters
@seandun7083
@seandun7083 Жыл бұрын
​@@juliandacosta6841 if a creature has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter, they cancel eachother out and are both removed by state based effects.
@RevanReborn3950BBY
@RevanReborn3950BBY Жыл бұрын
I run him in a fairly good casual deck where I gain a ton of life, buffing my creatures into oblivion
@jaggededge11
@jaggededge11 Жыл бұрын
Huatli has a specific role, and that is to be the top end in a token deck. If you have 4 creatures on board when you activate her +1 ability (Which is fairly easy in those type of decks), that sets her up to Ult range on the following turn (And likely enough chump blockers to see to it). From there, you basically hit critical mass with card advantage (As even something like Raise the Alarm allows you to draw 2 cards). The Emblem is effectively Beck // Call, as it does not care about you casting creatures (Unlike Beast Whisperer) and is optional (So you will not deck yourself because of it).
@tylercosner4509
@tylercosner4509 Жыл бұрын
I just thought of her combined with Scute Swarm
@jaggededge11
@jaggededge11 Жыл бұрын
@@tylercosner4509 Felidar Retreat is also a nice inclusion if you are wanting to go in more on the landfall value train (Or as a potential fallback token generator/wincon).
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
Isn't it infinitely easier to just play Shamanic Revelation or something similar? Huatli needs at least 4 creatures (Shamanic is okayish if you have just 2 or 3) AND needs to survive a turn AND needs you to have future creatures. In a game that goes very very long (I'm guessing you're talking about Commander), I guess having the emblem makes sense. In any other situation, a one-time draw-a-lot seems so much better.
@NeroLordofChaos
@NeroLordofChaos Жыл бұрын
Her -1 looks _DEVASTATING_ if you can get a one or 2 creatures with double strike on the board. Even something like "can only be blocked by more than one creature" could be helpful. @Fernando Banda her emblem can potentially pop turn 4 in a ramp deck. You're basically using it to get even more aggressive since it turns all the creatures in your hand from -1 to +0 and if she somehow survives turn 4, you just use her +1, restore her counters and just -1 her on something with a nasty ability (poison, double strike, conditional blocking, protection, etc) and force your opponent to deal with the attack somehow or take lethal.
@jaggededge11
@jaggededge11 Жыл бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 It's hard to really compare the two. Shamanic Revelation is a 5-mana draw spell that requires you to have at least 4 bodies on board (And hopefully decently stated) in order to be better than Harmonize. Huatli is a Planeswalker that can generate a sizable amount of loyalty (In decks that are normally good at protecting her from combat). Even with only have 1 body on board, her +1 makes it so that she can Ult in 2 turns. Even without the Ult, she has the ability to give Might of the Masses to a creature every turn (Effectively converting a wide threat to a tall one). While Huatli isn't the greatest Planeswalkers, she does have a clear purpose. I still think she's way better than something like Niko Aris.
@ADVBCAT
@ADVBCAT Жыл бұрын
I've never considered pronouncing everything wrong to make people comment before and boost your algorithms. Smart lol.
@amberhernandez
@amberhernandez Жыл бұрын
Glad to see that Tibalt is still a top option in _something_ !
@matthewoliveira3782
@matthewoliveira3782 Жыл бұрын
But that Tibalt has a history In the in game lore, he was supposed to be a random character for Sorin (a REALLY powerful Planeswalker) to fight, he was even supposed to die upon his intro, he just stayed because there are very few characters in MTG who are borderline insane
@jaxsonbateman
@jaxsonbateman Жыл бұрын
There are way worse walkers than Mu Yanling, especially at 3 mana. A good walker typically needs to have at least one ability that protects itself to be good, and not only does she have that, but it's at +2 loyalty. Sure, it's not as good at protecting as creating a creature token (that can absorb more than 2 damage) or outright stopping something from attacking, possibly by removing the threat outright, but +2 on a self-protecting ability is nice. Plus, she's in blue - y'know, the control color. More than likely you can keep them down to their smallest creature (which you neuter with Mu) through your other spells.
@FrozenSpector
@FrozenSpector Жыл бұрын
I know you mispronounce cards to get comment engagement, well played.
@phyrexian_dude4645
@phyrexian_dude4645 Жыл бұрын
Compared to the rest, Ajani Goldmane actually saw successfull competitive play. Back in the day, you only used him for its -1 and with a bunch of Kithkins or token based decks after that. Sure, he has not aged like wine but it is at least more playable than the rest of the list. The other that i will give some slack is Huatli, she is still not good but i have seen her using her ult in commander games, the only place were she can actually function.
@VCV95
@VCV95 Жыл бұрын
I mean, they are all pretty specific cards that want specific builds. Also Tibalt is the only planeswalker ever available in white border!
@zaneghiskhan
@zaneghiskhan Жыл бұрын
Wait really??
@Bubben246
@Bubben246 6 ай бұрын
@@zaneghiskhanSort of. It's a Secret Lair Drop.
@SnowyFoxxo1123
@SnowyFoxxo1123 Жыл бұрын
Mu Yanglin, Sky Dancer is actually a really nice support planeswalker. It's probably not gonna win you the game, unless you really go ham with that 4/4 bird token, but the -2/-0 and loses flying is actually pretty relevant, especially against creature decks. Sometimes slowing down your opponent by that 2 damage multiple times is game changing in the early game
@Jake-ew7lg
@Jake-ew7lg Жыл бұрын
Mu yanling, sky dancer is a solid threat in 60-card formats.
@jozz2
@jozz2 Жыл бұрын
I own 1 mu yanling. Do you recomend any decklist?
@christopherb501
@christopherb501 Жыл бұрын
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@Puzzy
@Puzzy Жыл бұрын
MVP!
@ArtemSayapov
@ArtemSayapov Жыл бұрын
Dovin, Yanling and Huatli aren't that bad though. They're at least better than the chandra flipwalker
@wjdelu6758
@wjdelu6758 Жыл бұрын
Gideon, Champion of Justice was the first Planeswalker I ever pulled. I was so excited and jammed it in my GW token deck. I dont remember if I ever pulled off the ultimate, but I just really liked him.
@beelor5777
@beelor5777 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for not just putting 10 intro deck planeswalkers like other list on KZbin.
@Starsoulklr
@Starsoulklr Жыл бұрын
Nah those need to get roasted.
@beelor5777
@beelor5777 Жыл бұрын
@@Starsoulklr They are made to be bad.....while these ones are made with intent to be good but just sucked.
@ursulcx299
@ursulcx299 Жыл бұрын
Frankly? This list is subpar. There were far far worse planeswalker, Mu Yanling celestial wind or Domri city smasher. Hualti is a very strong piece in any token deck, usually you play her when your board is filled with a crap ton of critters that put her way above ult range or use her minus 1 as a finisher. She's definitively more relevant in EDH then in 1v1 but she's far from being a bad planeswalker.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
Both Celestial Wind and City Smashers are Planeswalker Deck cards, which were excluded for the video because they are all terrible.
@Indy-the-soup
@Indy-the-soup Жыл бұрын
Sarkhan can just take opponents out of the game in ur dragon decks, and huatli given she can be protected is just beast whisperer as a passive in an emblem which can't be removed.
@thepiratedoggo1996
@thepiratedoggo1996 Жыл бұрын
i would definitely say, Hautli and Ajani are actually not too bad in token decks, espically in certain formats, the problem is they are relegated to specific rolls that hold them back, make them less flexible or at least being worthwhile to flex into something because there are better options for those specific niches or styles.
@jaxsonbateman
@jaxsonbateman Жыл бұрын
They have to tone down the power of planeswalkers that are printed at 2 mana - who knew?! 🙃 I mean, yeah, Tibalt is bad, but would you rather a 2 mana walker *not* be bad and actually be playable? 🤢 A lot of this list ended up being: 1. Early generations of walkers (Lorwyn, Zendikar) while they didn't have the balance of them downpat (after all, JTMS also came out in Zendikar block). 2. Cheap walkers that have to have weaker abilities in order to not dominate the metagame (after all, you see when we get strong 3 mana walkers like Lilliana of the Veil and 3feri how obnoxious things get) 3. Gideon being treated like a true walker, instead of the quirky pseudo-creature that he is.
@aftergood
@aftergood 9 ай бұрын
Gideon is so bad he was a key card in a deck that won like 3 pro tours and a few Grand prix while in standard. where none of the others on the list even cracked a top 16. I think you mis-rated him mostly because you maybe woefully undervaluing his second ability
@yugi-fc9vn
@yugi-fc9vn Жыл бұрын
but the nissa is green and if you have a lot of ways to proliferate and have a elf tribal deck, chances are it will be devastating
@austinvanderveer213
@austinvanderveer213 Жыл бұрын
Ajani Goldmane had a really fun combo with the ult tho. In the same set that he came out, I think, there were enchantments to give double strike and lifelink respectively. Your life total would triple every battle phase, and the avatar's stats would also triple. It was insane when it worked.
@cris5555
@cris5555 Жыл бұрын
You are sleeping on Mu yanling, she is a control planeswalker, if you play mass removal of creatures and have a Mu Yanling card in play you more or less have a lock on the gamestate, at least creature based. It's mana value of 3 let's you play her fairly soon and just before the vast majority of mass removal. She does suffer with highly aggressive turn 1 and 2 creature plays tho, but that doesn't make her one of the worst in my opinion
@ReyosBlackwood
@ReyosBlackwood Жыл бұрын
Some pretty bad analysis in this video, particularly because after setting all those conditions they neglect to include commander, still probably the most commonly played format of magic even though it sees very little high level competitive play, and some of the "worst" cards listed come out very differently if looked at from a multiplayer lens. Gideon, Champion of Justice for instance doesn't have the same risk of your opponents not running creatures, since the format has more than one opponent and at least one will have a board (most will since being open in multiplayer is a great way to die, even if you want to be a spellslinger) or the selesnya walker counting your own board state in the most famously token heavy color combination in all of magic, And Goldmane being able to pump and vigilance your entire field multiple times makes him decent in those same decks. This channel really seems to favor one game type and one play style an analyses all cards in the vacuum of how good they are for, or against, that.
@NeoN-PeoN
@NeoN-PeoN Жыл бұрын
I simply don't agree that Sarkhan the Mad is bad. His -2 is really good, and you can do it 3 times. His 0 ability deals damage to himself, which means that damage can be prevented.
@kennydarmawan13
@kennydarmawan13 Жыл бұрын
0:22 Do a failed mechanics video on Planeswalker Decks if possible. The fact the Planeswalkers there are designed to be unplayable in constructed formats clearly shows why those decks are unpopular. Also, as for the worst Planeswalker deck Planeswalker, according to Nizzahon, it's Mu Yanling, Celestial Wind. Also, do the Top 10 Planeswalker deck Planeswalkers.
@NotSoSerious69420
@NotSoSerious69420 Жыл бұрын
I love nizzahon but sometimes his takes are kind of off. I do think Mu is REALLY close to being the worst but I still think tibalt is worse. Atleast Mu can defend herself.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
The decks were supposed to be for beginners, so it really doesn't matter that they're bad in Constructed. Regular planeswalkers (even mediocre ones) are incredibly unfair when you're collection is just a few commons and uncommons, much like they are in Limited.
@Starsoulklr
@Starsoulklr Жыл бұрын
That's even more reason to cover them as they stopped making standard decks to release along their products for Commander decks.
@xgm7716
@xgm7716 3 ай бұрын
Boy ajani is so good. Gain life for loyalty? Good gain a life total X/X avatar? Good 💀wdym bad lol
@KnicKnac
@KnicKnac Жыл бұрын
I actually ran Chandra Ablaze in my mono red EDH deck. It had a lot of “ Threaten” effects. I actually like this card.
@TheYIAmag
@TheYIAmag Жыл бұрын
I once placed top 24 in nationals using Sarkhan The Mad in standard, it was a really weird deck that primarily used his -2 ability to get rid of Abyssal Persecutor after getting my opponents below zero. There were other ways to sac the demon, but this card (2 of them in the deck) provided ways to do some of the interesting interactions, I also ran that sparkmage haste creature with the lifelink and deathtouch equipment.
@seilaoquemvc2
@seilaoquemvc2 Жыл бұрын
thank you for finally making a list like this while ignoring the "planeswalker deck" walkers that are designed to be unplayable either way.
@Mechsrule1
@Mechsrule1 Жыл бұрын
Sarkhan seems actually really good, in a changeling deck. Sure he can only do it once, but as a finisher...
@themantyf1116
@themantyf1116 Жыл бұрын
An Insurrection effect is good in multiplayer, particularly commander, BUT it must be noted that attaching it a clock makes it far, far worse because it gives each opponent that much time to interact. The opponent has four turn to prevent Tibalt's ultimate, but in an average game of commander they have TWELVE.
@dantr14
@dantr14 Жыл бұрын
I feel like tibalt’s abilities require the person(s) your playing against to not have any of the benefits of the decks it’s most effective against
@GreatgoatonFire
@GreatgoatonFire Жыл бұрын
Good video but some more "this is usually what this Planewswalker does" would add some context to the video. Nissa for example is often more about lands or generic "Green stuff" not Elves.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
Why would that change the power evaluation though?
@GreatgoatonFire
@GreatgoatonFire Жыл бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 ... it wouldn't? I think it would just be helpful to illustrate how bad some of these walkers are. A proper version of "life gain matters" Ajani vs the one in the video for example.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
@@GreatgoatonFire Comparing power seems useful, like they did with Jace. I just don't get what would be brought to the table by mentioning that Nissa normally isn't about Elves. Like there's not even a useful comparison between Nissas.
@erlanddrow7950
@erlanddrow7950 Жыл бұрын
I once went up against someone who made an Avatar with Goldmane's ability and attacked me I blocked it with Mogg Maniac, which deals damage to a player when it blocks a creature they control equal to the amount of damage they took
@freddiesimmons1394
@freddiesimmons1394 Жыл бұрын
It's amazing how some bad players just refuse to read cards
@erlanddrow7950
@erlanddrow7950 Жыл бұрын
@@freddiesimmons1394 tbf it was my friend and we were doing a casual match at my house Would be hilarious at a tournament tho 😅
@AT-il2ej
@AT-il2ej Жыл бұрын
Topping a pro tour should exclude a card from a list like this. Ajani has actual results.
@zarator7429
@zarator7429 Жыл бұрын
Yeah but are there any Planeswalkers (that are both mythic and not from pre-con decks) that didn't top any pro-tour and weren't included here? And that, today, can also be considered to be worse than Ajani? I mean, maybe there are, I dunno for sure. But you got to keep in mind that PW is an inherently strong creature-type, and so a "Worst 10" list of those is STILL inevitably going to include at least SOME cards that are/were usable. Plus, if this "Worst 10" list is based on the cards' current power level, rather than their historical performance, then Ajani's past exploits don't necessarily mean much, considering there really weren't any other options back then as far as PWs were concerned.
@zionburger861
@zionburger861 Жыл бұрын
Why is Ajani here? He saw pro tour play at the time
@Fanofstuff
@Fanofstuff Жыл бұрын
hautli isnt held back by her abilities, shes held back by her mana cost, that 1 white mana changes her from broken to top end for gw humans elves with hautli would be the most broken thing ever, u would turn 3/4 ultimate every game u drew her elves run like 12-16 lands and a LOT of mana creatures, so turn 1 u drop land + mana elf, turn 2 drop 2 elves (probably no land) on 3 if u have the 4rth elf u can play her and get her to 8 loyalty on play
@Y0G0FU
@Y0G0FU Жыл бұрын
Back when MTG Arena came out i played Ajani Goldmane Beatdown decks that focused on getting many Ajanis on the field, get absurd life totals and every turn buff my creatures higher with the -1 abillity :D It worked pretty well until they released further sets with more and better answers to this :P
@watagcomic
@watagcomic Жыл бұрын
Tibalt:Oh shit here we go again.
@Ryan_Dye-r
@Ryan_Dye-r 28 күн бұрын
Chandra, Novice Acolyte of Flame seems like a pretty bad Planeswalker, except you were excluding uncommons, so she couldn't be on the list.
@stephenb5085
@stephenb5085 3 ай бұрын
If you reverse the order from 3-10 and keep 1 and 2, its much more accurate. Ajani won games with his minus 1 ability and white weenies. , and was a bomb inkmited when printed. Jace is bad, but id run it over the cards before it. (To give examples).
@Ambushw23
@Ambushw23 10 күн бұрын
I’ve actually play nissa revanne in commander in my elves deck gain life till you can ultimate her she has to be dealt with or I win the game with that ultimate 7 elves will give me a combo win
@Kardur_Wrath_of_the_Abyss
@Kardur_Wrath_of_the_Abyss 4 ай бұрын
Needs to include Space Beleren
@ArclinusCastoral
@ArclinusCastoral Жыл бұрын
Dovin and Huatli are super good in go-wide decks. Dovin and a bunch of fliers can snowball like crazy and I can't even count the number of evasive 1-cost dorks that were in his standard, but I remember Healer's Hawk being everywhere. Huatli goes even crazier since she enables a hand-vomit strategy and you can VERY easily stack her emblems to draw two or even three cards. Absolute nonsense with token generators and since it's an emblem, you have to brick hard on draws to run out of gas when she's popped ult. Amazing weenie support. EDIT: having sifted through JUST Arena walkers at mythic in standard release sets, Kaladesh Dovin seems worse, Ellywick Tumblestrum from Forgotten Realms is simply bad, Dominara Jaya is terrible, Niko Aris from Kaldheim is godawful, Jace from both Ixalan AND Zendikar rising are terribad, M19 Lilianna is essentially unplayable for what it does, Samut the Tested from Ahmonkhet sucks bad. Mostly bad takes, do more than five minutes of research, next time.
@Oceanz08
@Oceanz08 Жыл бұрын
You are definitely incorrect about goldmane, while he was in standard there was a popular deck with tokens that played cards like spectral procession. So you would curve three into four
@tylerrassi4148
@tylerrassi4148 7 ай бұрын
I actually REALLY like Ajani Goldmane. The protection he offers himself is fantastic and yes it requires other creatures to already be out but if you didn't already have creatures out why would you play a planeswalker then? He's great in both a life gain deck but also a deck you want to have +1 counters on your creatures.
@nerdvananorth2905
@nerdvananorth2905 Жыл бұрын
This list is ok...but it's all very subjective. I feel like you are approaching them as someone who plays a 60 card format. No one runs these cards outside of Commander let's be real honest here. People don't run these cards without ways of doubling up on their initial loyalty counters or proliferating. You are just wrong about your #2 pick I must say. Hilarious against "GO Wide" strats, even more silly when you then make all the tokens block him the next turn with any number of effects. Situational? Yes. But #2 worst planeswalker with Sarkhan the Mad below it? You're nuts.
@silvertail7131
@silvertail7131 Ай бұрын
I use that Sarkhan a lot, mostly because of the fact he requires no protection to get the most out of him. Does have the disadvantage that he's only useful if, one, you're running dragons, and two have a reasonable amount of them. But he's been my finishing move more than once
@zibus8456
@zibus8456 Жыл бұрын
Okay, I gotta disagree about Hautli. It is good in specific decks and formats - mostly commander tolken decks to be fair, but still. I have seen Hautli's played and mess me up. Putting her above Mu Yanling, who didn't know existed until this video, is just wrong.
@andrewmcnally5013
@andrewmcnally5013 Жыл бұрын
Ajani Goldmane kinda shouldn't be on this list because he's actually a RARE Planeswaker from Lorwyn, not a Mythic. The mythic version shown in a reprint. Yeah, I know that Mythic rarity wasn't a thing during Lorwyn, but still. His original printing was Rare and should exclude him from the list.
@marknicklason
@marknicklason Жыл бұрын
far less powerfeul than mythic planeswalkers...ya know...with some glaring exceptions! Is Narset, Parter of Veils the most [powerful planeswalker made...Yeah...might be.
@Crunkman2k
@Crunkman2k Жыл бұрын
Say what you will about Champion of Justice, nothing I've done in MTG was as satisfying or clownshoes as building him up to 15, turning him into a creature and flinging him with Brion Stoutarm for lethal. Practical? Optimal? Hell no, but it was hilarious and got a good reaction at the LGS during silly casual games.
@FrigidViridescence
@FrigidViridescence 3 ай бұрын
looks like you haven't played when Ajani came out and just based it's strength with your Intuition. He was a staple with white weenie decks at the time. The weakest planeswalker out of the five first planeswalker was Chandra.
@RollingCalf
@RollingCalf Жыл бұрын
Thing is, for the most part, these criticisms are only accurate if these cards are being run in beginner decks piloted by low ELO players. More advanced players typically build decks with these downsides in mind and try to negate, capitalize, or synergize with them. With the rise of proliferation mechanics, a -15 ult isn't insurmountable.
@283leis
@283leis Жыл бұрын
How good would some of these be in a commander deck with proliferate, allowing you to get loyalty faster for "free"?
@theemathas
@theemathas Жыл бұрын
Probably not. They’re bad when you don’t proliferate, and don’t win the game as much as other planeswalkers when you do proliferate.
@guardianeifie
@guardianeifie Жыл бұрын
MYSD is actually really good as a sideboard option in Azorius Control, and in some matchups even outperforms T3feri (a planeswalker so good he had to be banned out of Pioneer and Modern). Her +2 basically turns off most aggressive creatures in the format, so she can plus up and slow down the enemy attack. The 4/4 token blocks really well and also poses a threat. She basically just does everything that Azorius Control wants to do
@freddiesimmons1394
@freddiesimmons1394 Жыл бұрын
I hate that I had to spend 30 seconds figuring out what the heck you meant by MYSD. Mu isn't *that* famous. Even if she was referenced in the video
@MetalPheonix
@MetalPheonix Жыл бұрын
I see some problems here since mythic rares versus ordinary rares don't quite work as mythic rares were introduced after planeswalkers. Additionally several of these planeswalkers are from the first three or four years of planeswalkers. As time has marched on planeswalkers have become more refined in how they work, and the power level of cards has steadily creeped up due to hasbro executives. Many of these planeswalkers saw a lot of play in standard (where almost all planeswalkers were designed for) But like most cards fail to take hold in modern, pioneer, legacy, or vintage. ... you're 100% correct on Tibalt though.
@brianlentz8762
@brianlentz8762 Жыл бұрын
People sleep on Tibalt because they don't know how to play him. Ignore his ult and -4 him for a Sudden Impact in a low curve burn-style deck. ... he's still pretty bad though
@DarthRayah
@DarthRayah Жыл бұрын
Nissa is great in my Ezuri edh deck, but that's diffrent I know. She gives me a free elf, then gains me 10 life every turn. She also isn't worth targeting when you've got 15 elfs you can regen, but I've only ever gotten the ult 2 times despite using the deck for years. One of those times I got board wiped and couldn't save them all 😢
@Merlewhitefire
@Merlewhitefire 3 ай бұрын
A green/white deck having a bunch of tokens on the board isn't "already winning," it's the default state of a green/white deck.
@carstein5696
@carstein5696 Жыл бұрын
I strongly disagree with your analysis of Huatli. While your observation that she can't do much on her own is correct, she's a four cost *Selesnya* planeswalker. The color of wide boards and massed tokens. She's fantastic in that specific niche, which she was built for. You drop her down, add twelve loyalty counters turn one, and then get an absolutely murderous card draw engine in a color pair that has some of the weakest innate card draw in the game.
@entothechesnautknight1762
@entothechesnautknight1762 Жыл бұрын
I dunno if Tibalt is worse then Chandra, because at least with Tibalt, you can Chaos warp him into a high-value Planeswalker instead, spending only 5 mana over two turns to get out a 7+ mana walker. It's at least more usable then that Chandra.
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