Top 10 Most USELESS Magic Cards

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With so many sets and individual cards existing in Magic the Gathering, it's understood that not every card is going to be viable at a competitive level. And while many cards do find homes in commander or even more casual forms of play, there are several cards in the game that are pretty much useless. Between terrible effects that were never good to cards that just simply do not function within the modern rules of the game, there are more than a few cards that have little to no reason to ever be played at all.
Script by Uncrowned Jules
Editing by Pumkinswift
├ The List
Intro: (0:00)
10. Mudhole: (0:22)
9. Scornful Egotist: (2:07)
8. Nine-Ringed Bo: (3:53)
7. Great Wall: (5:44)
6. Common Cause: (7:29)
5. Wood Elemental: (9:11)
4. Power Surge: (10:32)
3. Apocalypse Chime: (12:01)
2. Break Open: (13:47)
1. Master of Arms: (15:15)
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@HaibaneKuu
@HaibaneKuu Жыл бұрын
I dunno, 2/2 first strike for 3 is of course not very good especially by modern standards, but "most useless" that card is not. It's still a 2/2 first strike creature after all. Wood elemental, which is lower on the list is far worse, and so is Egotist (which is at its best 2/2 for 3 without first strike). The fact that it has an ability that it's kinda irrelevant most of the time doesn't really make it most useless, there's worse creatures than that.
@calemr
@calemr Жыл бұрын
Worst card should definitely have been the usually Literally unplayable, almost always actively harmful to you, Break Open.
@megapussi
@megapussi Жыл бұрын
Grey Ogre is a 3 mana 2/2 with no text, flow of maggots is a 3 mana 2/2 with cumulative upkeep 1 (and it cant be blocked by non-walls... but who cares, its a 2/2 that drains all of your mana), and Taoist Mystic is a 3 mana 2/2 who can't be blocked by creatures with Horsemanship- and if you don't know what Horsemanship is, yeah, thats the problem.
@dyne313
@dyne313 Жыл бұрын
Yes, a 3 mana 2/2 First Strike isn't the greatest card, but I can see it being played in many limited formats. Hardly useless. But that ability is usless.
@andrewamann2821
@andrewamann2821 Жыл бұрын
​@@dyne313 yes, and no... It can clear blockers for future combat phases, theoretically. It's not particularly useful, i'll grant you, but not useless, just incredibly narrow. With a Horobi on the table, it's technically hard destroy removal in white... Which means that you can do incredibly stupid stuff in, say, an Atheros commander deck, for lulz and learning purposes.
@RedScarGaming
@RedScarGaming Жыл бұрын
I agree. Certainly not a good card but not the worst card ever. In fact I was versing as opponent in a game of commander who plays some very strange decks. Master of Arms was on the board and my opponent equipped Lure to it, so when it attacks, everything has to block it. He attacked the opponent who was winning, who had to block with all four of his creatures. He payed 8 mana (not easy but still did it), meaning that the winning player tapped all his creatures. The next two players were able to attack with everything and collectively do fatal damage to the winning player. I know there are easier ways to achieve a similar outcome, but it certainly turned the game on the otherwise winning opponent.
@HiddenZabuzaMist
@HiddenZabuzaMist Жыл бұрын
Master of Arms is still a 3 mana 2/2 with first strike, strictly better than any 3 mana vanilla 2/2
@Korabro
@Korabro Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist is definitely the best card on the list. The reason it has such high CMC is because Scourge (The block it originated from) had a mechanic where CMC matters (Such as the card "Torment of Fire") so being able to "cheat out" an 8 CMC card for 4 mana was actually somewhat useful. The card is still terrible, but does have some niche use with cards that care about CMC
@kennydarmawan13
@kennydarmawan13 Жыл бұрын
At that point, you're better off using Earthquake Dragon or Shadow of Mortality. Draco even saw play just because its mana value is so high, comboing well with Erratic Explosion.
@tatsumisoulfist7750
@tatsumisoulfist7750 Жыл бұрын
This. Card is bad in a vacuum but i distinctly remember opening Egotist on pre-release and putting it in just to add high-cmc cards in the deck. It served it's purpose during limited
@CasualCoreK
@CasualCoreK Жыл бұрын
yup, like if you have a way to cheat out a better high-cmc card, sure that's better, but scornful egotist cheats ITSELF out. not terrible in limited.
@CasualCoreK
@CasualCoreK Жыл бұрын
@@kennydarmawan13 how do you propose to use those cards in 2003
@VCV95
@VCV95 Жыл бұрын
I mean, it's a 1cmc 2/2 in blue with zero drawbacks. Where else are you getting that?
@DraggaRyuu
@DraggaRyuu Жыл бұрын
Gonna agree with the chorus here. Master of Arms is definitely not useless. There's a difference in saying its ABILITY is useless vs the whole card being useless. A 3 mana 2/2 with First Strike may not be amazing, but that baseline alone puts it leagues above everything else on this list. Genuinely no reason to include it, especially since the useless ability happened due to a rules change, which means the card isn't even being judged fairly for the intended design space it originally had.
@michaelbreedlove348
@michaelbreedlove348 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. I feel like this was one time where Wizards SHOULD HAVE errata'd the card to keep its intended purpose.
@Xylarxcode
@Xylarxcode Жыл бұрын
How is Master at Arms the worst of all of these? Even if its ability does nothing these days, it's still a 2/2 with first strike for 3 mana. Not great by any stretch of the imagination by today's standards, but at least it's something. Even without its ability, a first striker with that power and toughness for that CMC wasn't terrible for the time it was printed in. It is terrible now, but so are many other (very similarly statted) cards from back then. Bad card, but not nearly as bad as most of the others on this list. Surely not deserving of the top spot in a top 10 list of useless cards.
@JD-gk7eh
@JD-gk7eh Жыл бұрын
There's a whole lot of 2/2s for 3 that have no first strike. Master of Arms is already better than those.
@coletrainhetrick
@coletrainhetrick Жыл бұрын
You can still use its ability too to synergies with tapped matters spells, particularly the wandering emperor. I can think of scenarios where you can use it to force a card to get tapped that they wouldn't expect it, particularly Atraxa.
@joelrandall2348
@joelrandall2348 Жыл бұрын
Heck if you wanted you could still combo it with something like royal assassin.
@Hinaguy749
@Hinaguy749 Жыл бұрын
Nine-Ringed Bo is meant to interact with the Soulshift mechanic from original Kamigawa block to prevent it from triggering and getting your opponent a spirit back when a creature with Soulshift dies. Mudhole was meant to turn off Threshold which was in Odyssey block.
@matthewgagnon9426
@matthewgagnon9426 Жыл бұрын
Mudhole was still terrible back in the day because in Odyssey it'd be rare a land went to the graveyard unless you used land destruction. It was unplayably bad then and it's even worse now.
@pintpullinggeek
@pintpullinggeek 11 ай бұрын
​@@matthewgagnon9426There were a number of sac lands in Odyssey block as well as self-discard effects to get to Threshold so there were numerous ways to get lands into graveyards. Yeah Mudhole wasn't great but it wasn't useless, just a block-specific sideboard card.
@cooldes4593
@cooldes4593 Жыл бұрын
Aw face it guys, it's just a 1/1 for 8 mana! Not only that, bu-ALL HAIL THE GREAT LORD EGOTIST!!!
@breawycker
@breawycker Жыл бұрын
Glad to see people still remember the classics
@TheBadsectorzero
@TheBadsectorzero Жыл бұрын
blue, 8 to cast, vanilla 1/1 with no other abilities? heck this should be the wors-ALL HAIL THE GREAT EGOTIST
@exlenor
@exlenor Жыл бұрын
@@breawycker Classics? What clas-ALL HAIL THE GREAT LORD EGOTIST
@christophergutzeit8827
@christophergutzeit8827 Жыл бұрын
Like, which would you rather have in your deck, Great Wall or Master of Arms? An actively useless Enchantment or a 2/2 First Strike?
@Prince_Eva_Huepow
@Prince_Eva_Huepow 11 ай бұрын
Definitely not Brownie.
@calemr
@calemr Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist DOES have a use. In the set it was printed (Scourge), several cards cared about mana cost, and this got you an 8 cost for 3 mana. For example, with SE on the board, Torrent of Fire would deal 8 damage to any target, or Rush of Knowledge would let you draw 8 cards. It still wasn't that good (Both of those cards cost 5 mana, meaning it's a total of 9 mana for either effect, even if you can play it turn 5 with no acceleration), but it did do the thing it was meant to do.
@Xaxares
@Xaxares Жыл бұрын
It is also one more morphed card on the field. Letting the opponent gamble on which critter to shock.
@tjaremertens1464
@tjaremertens1464 Жыл бұрын
​@@Xaxares but u could just play a better morph card for this reason😅
@CheckervonNekka
@CheckervonNekka Жыл бұрын
I do not understand how master of arms is "useless". Sure, it's ability is bad nowadays, but it's still a 2/2 body with First Strike for a reasonable cost. It actually adds to the board. Would you play it? Of course not. But it's still so much better than so many other cards that do nothing for your board state (like Fasting)
@WishMakers
@WishMakers Жыл бұрын
That #1 is... contentious. The card as a whole is ok, it's just the activated ability that serves no purpose. Certainly better than the #2 that actively hinders you.
@MisterJackTheAttack
@MisterJackTheAttack Ай бұрын
We can still find a use for #1s ability. White has a few cards that care about targets being tapped such as seek vengeance. It's not great and really slow, but it's still better than probably the majority of this list.
@kennydarmawan13
@kennydarmawan13 Жыл бұрын
I think the more accurate title of the video would be "Top 10 Most WORTHLESS Effects and Abilities of Magic Cards." That way, I can see why Master of Arms is number 1. Regarding Scornful Egotist, it's meant to synergize with cards that work better with higher mana values, like Rush of Knowledge and Calibrated Blast. But considering cards with higher yet self-reducing costs exist that have strong abilities, like Earthquake Dragon and Shadow of Mortality, it does become useless in hindsight.
@Nobody-zl3kk
@Nobody-zl3kk Жыл бұрын
Scornful egotist is the best card on the list so long as you see it in a vacuum called "scourge draft"
@ADVBCAT
@ADVBCAT Жыл бұрын
Sadly this is a clickbait channel with no actual understanding of what they talk about, they just harvest youtube comments into clicks. I don't know if this person even plays magic, based on how they pronounce "gaea's cradle"...
@zombiesatethevideostar1695
@zombiesatethevideostar1695 Жыл бұрын
It also pairs to make a 4 mana counter spell (If none have flipped yet, cheaper if flipped) with Voidmage Prodigy as it's a wizard
@RocKM001
@RocKM001 Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist was the product of one of the more interesting but insanely clunky themes WotC was trying to do at the time... which was Scourge's mechanics of spells relying on casting cost for an effect. It was meant to be a "combo" piece for those spells where you place them face down so your opponent and then flip at the right moment so suddenly throw out a big combo.... ...the biggest issue of course was the fact Morph was such a clunky mechanic where you are wrecking your own tempo since you are forgoing spending on another creature by flipping the Morph creature instead and rarely did Morph creatures have any effects worth the double investment and the fact there was soooo many more effective ways to do the mana cost mechanics ie. just have an actual big card that can not only synergise with those spells and actually be able to be a board prescence.
@kennydarmawan13
@kennydarmawan13 Жыл бұрын
@@RocKM001 funnily enough, the idea of Morph is done WAY better in Runeterra. A 2-mana 2/2 alternate summon that either discounts a unit later or promotes a slower, more rewarding playing style. Really, the regenerating, regrowing mana system alongside the Spell Mana system REALLY is where a Morph-like mechanic works best.
@DutchBlackMantha
@DutchBlackMantha Жыл бұрын
I think the point of Break Open is to mess with morph creatures that have a triggered ability when turned face up that is only useful when used at the right moment. Not much use for a Voidmage Apprentice if it's flipped when the stack is empty. Of course, they'd get even less use out of it if you just Shock it instead. Costs a mana less too.
@channingtaintum
@channingtaintum Жыл бұрын
Mudhole is good in izzet delver decks against lands decks trying to put together Marit Lage with Life from the Loam, Dark Depths & Thespian Stage, and other dredge decks that mill themselves then use Splendid Reclamation to put themselves way ahead in the curve. I'm surprised One With Nothing wasn't on this list.
@j_g_t6091
@j_g_t6091 Жыл бұрын
One with nothing is crazy with madness! Or that is what I would say if LED wasn't a thing
@Luyspa13
@Luyspa13 Жыл бұрын
Seriously? Not even a nod to One With Nothing? One of the lost iconic "useless" cards ever.
@coletrainhetrick
@coletrainhetrick Жыл бұрын
Master of arms at the very least allows you to tap a creature you need tapped for you to use an spells that interact with tapped creatures. You could have a scenario where you need to tap Atraxa who has vigilance so you can flash in wandering emperor so you can exile them. It might be niche but it has an actual USE.
@SomeGuy712x
@SomeGuy712x Жыл бұрын
It's kinda disappointing that Wizards didn't errata Master of Arms to make its ability prevent the creature it tapped from dealing combat damage this turn, since that's clearly what it was meant to do.
@God-ch8lq
@God-ch8lq Жыл бұрын
eldraine and the modern horizons block need their own apocalypse chimes
@EdBurke37
@EdBurke37 Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised that One With Nothing isn't on this list. It's not a mistake but that's usually the go to "useless" Magic card.
@luciger_globus
@luciger_globus Жыл бұрын
One with Nothing does *technically* do something to your game state, its not advantageous, but it doesn't whiff because the rules have outdated its affect. I suppose if you cast it when its the last card in your hand that would be the most useless card... Unless you were playing Uno...
@lomenado
@lomenado Жыл бұрын
Mudhole was printed back when Block Constructed was still a thing, and when one of the stronger lands in the block -- Riftstone Portal -- only did something if it got itself into the graveyard somehow. There was also a cycle of lands that sacked themselves for effect when you hit threshold (Cabal Pit, Cephalid Coliseum) and could be recurred by the reprinted Cartographer. Mudhole didn't need to cost that much mana and didn't need to be a rare, but it wasn't an unreasonable card at the time it was printed.
@TheSpiritombsableye
@TheSpiritombsableye Жыл бұрын
And the list here is the most useless cards as rated today.
@0011peace
@0011peace Жыл бұрын
I used riftstone portal with harrow and Crosis's Catacombs which mad it a 5 color land and 2 others become 4 mana land
@soarel325
@soarel325 Жыл бұрын
I should note why Egotist exists - Scourge had a “high CMC matters”, with cards like Ancient Ooze, Dispersal Shield, Rush of Knowledge, Kurgadon, and the Dragon aura cycle all benefiting from playing creatures with CMC 6 or more (or “mana value” in today’s parlance I guess, still not gonna get used to that), so Egotist actually had a purpose in the Limited environment as an enabler for those cards you could cheat in with Morph. Also can’t see why Master of Arms, a 2/2 first strike for 3, is ahead of something like Wood Elemental which is perhaps the worst Magic card of all time.
@Digital_Butterfly
@Digital_Butterfly Жыл бұрын
Power Surge actually sees play in Yurlok of Scorch Thrash decks, where mana burn is essentially brought back.
@alp627
@alp627 Жыл бұрын
It also combines well with Price of Glory
@VictorianoOchoa
@VictorianoOchoa Жыл бұрын
I def don't think it belongs on this list. For example, Sorrow's path or Aven Trooper may be better here.
@noname-mp6ox
@noname-mp6ox Жыл бұрын
Scornful egotist is an 8 cost card for 4 mana to sacrifice to a pod effect. That is a useful skill in itself.
@stevenklnes7148
@stevenklnes7148 Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist was probably meant to be played with Dispersal Shield as a cheeky counter or with the other 5 cards printed in Scourge that had the "highest mana value among permanents you control" text. It certainly won't see play in any format these days but that probably why it was printed as it was.
@JD-gk7eh
@JD-gk7eh Жыл бұрын
Apocalypse Chime, you mention sideboard. It DID find its way into a few Standard sideboards in its day. Autumn Willow was really hard to get rid of in her day and she was the backbone of a reasonably popular deck (Willowgeddon, the successor to the more successful Erhnageddon, which used Erhnam Djinn). If you weren't in white and didn't have access to Wrath, this was one of the only ways to get her off the board. And frankly, it's not bad for that purpose. Colorless and 2+2 mana (easily usable after an Armageddon wiped your lands) to kill a Shroud creature at (presumably) no cost to yourself since you weren't playing any Homelands cards.
@dstreetz91
@dstreetz91 Жыл бұрын
Yeah they even had a rule for a short time about it being compulsory to include at least a certain number of cards from homelands in constructed decks IIRC and being able to kill serrated arrows back then with this was genuinely good because serrated arrows would destroy a lot of the early inefficient creatures at least by modern standards.
@ronaldwayne7092
@ronaldwayne7092 Жыл бұрын
@@dstreetz91 That rule existed for only the very first Pro Tour event.
@stigmaoftherose
@stigmaoftherose Жыл бұрын
Scornful egotist is one of the best 8 cmc cards to run in a birthing pod deck, you don't need to flip it to sac it to pos to get a 9 cmc creature and you put it out for just 3 mana means you can often put it out the turn before you play pod as pod cost 4 mana total to use. 3 and 2 life to cast then 1 and 2 life to use. It simply is not a bad card there are much better examples of bad cards. Edit: I was wrong you do need to flip the morph first but even then it's still 4 mana for a 9 mana creature in any pod deck.
@poiri
@poiri Жыл бұрын
You don’t need to flip it? I get that it’ll be face up in the graveyard but the MV of a morph is always 0.
@stigmaoftherose
@stigmaoftherose Жыл бұрын
​@@poiri interesting, when I looked up the rules in the past I read that it looks at the cost of the creature as it exists after being sac'ed, but you are in fact correct. But that also means I've been playing wrong with tokens that copy the creature mana value as I assumed if the token is exiled pod sees a 0 and always grabs a 1 cmc instead of the cmc of the creature the token was a copy of.
@pyrotempestwing
@pyrotempestwing Жыл бұрын
@@stigmaoftherose The mana cost/value of a token copy usually doesn’t matter, but as you’ve discovered, yes, it is copied over from the original. Which I suppose makes the Birthing Pod interaction even better. (For those who don’t know, tokens by default have no mana cost/a mv of 0, but it is a copyable characteristic.)
@Hanmacx
@Hanmacx Жыл бұрын
Egotist was in a cmc matters set
@b-sideparadox
@b-sideparadox Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist's selling point is its CMC. It came in a set where CMC mattered, so getting it out cheap then morphing it was a big deal in limited.
@nack3665
@nack3665 Жыл бұрын
If Scornful Egotist was green it would be amazing for any of the sac to summon cmc+1 effects like birthing pod or vivian
@greyphaqse
@greyphaqse Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist was designed for a series of cards that allow you to draw, counter spells, deal damage, and even make mana. Energy Tap, Living Armor, Mercurial Chemister, Neoform, Birthing Pod, and Rush of Knowledge are some cards off the top of my head that work with Scornful Egotist
@nouveauxh426
@nouveauxh426 Жыл бұрын
In casual commander, my favorite deck is Yurlok of Scorch Thrash. Since he essentially puts mana burn back into play, I do get to use Power Surge on occasion. It's fun when you also have Helix Pinnacle or Horizon Stone out so that you can still tap out and not get burned but your opponent can't.
@ma3lstr0m5t0rm
@ma3lstr0m5t0rm Жыл бұрын
glad someone mentioned my boy Yurlok
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Жыл бұрын
Video Ideas: * The Dredge Engine Explained * The History of Time Vault (a.k.a. the reason Wizards doesn't do Konami-style power level errata) * Cards made better or worse by rules changes (e.g. Sunforger and split cards, or Captain Sisay and planeswalkers becoming legendary.) * Best double-faced cards * Most powerful tribal lords (creatures designed to assist one or more creature types) * Best/Worst Legendary Creatures * Best cumulative upkeep cards * Best/Worst mana dorks * Ten cards that fulfill a weird niche that are incredibly good in the right deck. (e.g. there's a 2 mana white wall that makes your green and blue spells cost 1 less)
@lord_wyran
@lord_wyran Жыл бұрын
What happened with time vault?
@burner555
@burner555 Жыл бұрын
​@@lord_wyran essentially what happened with "Necrovalley", it had a lot of erratas that changed how it works
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Жыл бұрын
@@lord_wyran The TL;DR is that Wizards made a bunch of different attempts to change the card so you couldn't take infinite turns with it, all of which were exploited by the players. There's an article explaining it all somewhere
@lord_wyran
@lord_wyran Жыл бұрын
@@williamdrum9899 yeah I looked it up. Go's I love mtg players casual disregard for wizards
@bluedestiny2710
@bluedestiny2710 Жыл бұрын
For the time vault thing, i think he already did a video with a segment detailing this. Something like 10 cards with thr most erratas?
@mstieler8480
@mstieler8480 Жыл бұрын
I could see Common Cause getting use when you know your opponent is playing with only artifact creatures. In that case it is a single-sided ability so long as all of yours share a color.
@SadPandaFace
@SadPandaFace Жыл бұрын
I was thinking that the only place it could even see play would be in vintage as a sideboard card for monoW initiative against shops decks.
@ameliaward7429
@ameliaward7429 Жыл бұрын
Scornful always makes these list yet nobody ever references what the initial intention was in the Scourge set.
@matthewgagnon9426
@matthewgagnon9426 Жыл бұрын
I played back then, no one used Egotist because you'd be using a terrible card just to make mediocre cards better. The intention was there, but it was a terrible idea.
@falnica
@falnica Жыл бұрын
Next year there will be "Tarv who risks everything", a legendary dwarf shaman for 1rb with "whenever a land leaves a players graveyard deal one damage to every opponent". The idea is that you make a mill/spell slinger deck where Mudhole is your wincon
@therealgumdrop
@therealgumdrop Жыл бұрын
Maybe the egotist can work for something that depends on converted mana cost… idk
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Жыл бұрын
That was the card's original purpose. The set it came in had a lot of cards that benefitted from having a creature on board with a huge mana cost
@vargussmeton7426
@vargussmeton7426 Жыл бұрын
Great topic! Thank you for making this video 😁
@EnderLord99
@EnderLord99 Жыл бұрын
The point of Scornful Egotist is to synergize with MV-matters cards
@TheGervinator
@TheGervinator 11 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t Power surge still work as upkeep is after the untap step, meaning they would have to tap out on the upkeep?
@bonniethefemboy
@bonniethefemboy Жыл бұрын
Does break open work on double sided card? Becuase if a format has alot of them then it s good counter ig
@Gloryofthereef
@Gloryofthereef Жыл бұрын
Doesn’t break open work on night/day creatures and transformed creatures from the newest set?
@blackfistdeath1
@blackfistdeath1 Жыл бұрын
I stopped playing more than 20 years ago, so your video was informative in bringing me up to speed on some of the rules changes. I am not sure if it’s fair to single out cards that were designed to work under the older rules though. I still don’t get why scornful egotist was designed the way it was. Is there a reason a 8-cost creature was ever useful at the time?
@dapperghastmeowregard
@dapperghastmeowregard Жыл бұрын
Scourge had a mana values matters theme such as Rush of Knowledge, so egotist was a way to get a high cost creature into play without actually spending 8 mana.
@gudaofujimaru4146
@gudaofujimaru4146 Жыл бұрын
3:45 Egotist is terrible, but it was a design gamble around Morph. There were a lot of CMC and Highest CMC dependent cards introduced in Scourge where Scornful Egotist was maybe meant as a "gotcha" flip on the table. It never ended up working that way, but there are interesting ways to use it with a bit of imagination and a willingness to lose.
@CyphersBasement
@CyphersBasement Жыл бұрын
Master of Arms is actually a build-around. There are numerous cards that want your opponents to have tapped creatures. Two examples I could mention: Enthralling Hold is a blue enchantment that lets you gain control of a tapped creature an opponent controls, for as long as that creature is enchanted by Enthralling Hold. Sleeper Dart is a two mana artifact that draws a card when it enters play. You can tap and sacrifice it to keep a creature tapped for longer. There are uses for many "bad" cards. You need only explore the library for answers.
@KeroTheInvincible
@KeroTheInvincible Жыл бұрын
I think if the video was titled "Most Useless Abilities" it would cover all the points while being slightly more accurate.
@maximuscesar
@maximuscesar Жыл бұрын
The Egotist reason to exist was that it was a way to put a (very) high converted mana cost creature into play relatively easy. And since Scourge had a "converted mana cost matters" theme, it made some sense. Maybe in Scourge limited it had some play somehow, I don't know. But still... Nine-Ringed bow (which I didn't even knew existed until now) was somewhat relevant in the set it came out (and the whole block actually) which was very spirit heavy and had a very common ability called soulshift which returned spirits from the graveyard to the hand. Cards that prevents specific landwalk are all historically pretty useless but I see common cause (which is another card which I didn't knew existed) being actually very good and being played in a lot of decks. Power surge (and citadel of pain) have some relevance even now because you can force your opponents to tap all their lands and don't have mana for counters and stuff.
@mbarker_lng
@mbarker_lng Жыл бұрын
Citadel of Pain should have gotten a mention here. It still has a slight amount of utility, but it was largely rendered useless in the same way Power Surge was by removing mana burn.
@ericschmitz6789
@ericschmitz6789 Жыл бұрын
I forgot which cards they were, but I used to use effects that scaled bases on a creatures casting cost with Scornful Egoist. The deck surely wasn't competitive but it had a use.
@sovereignsrite5844
@sovereignsrite5844 Жыл бұрын
Break open comes from the same set as Blistering Firecat so could use it at the end of their turn to force sacrifice it. I'm assuming that may have been the main target
@danielgraves13
@danielgraves13 Жыл бұрын
also, forcing a card to go face up removes it from combat.
@theasternaut
@theasternaut Жыл бұрын
Break open would also be really good against the new Praetors in MOM, basically making it so they wasted all their mana from flipping it over to the saga side. Even the other cards in the set that cost a good amount to flip over will be set back a turn. Really awkward timing for this top 10 list to come out when the latest set could make this card the most relevant its ever been.
@greatbrandini3967
@greatbrandini3967 Жыл бұрын
​​@@theasternaut as counter intuitive as it may seem, this interaction doesn't work. I believe Break open only works are cards that the game has specifically declared to be face down (manifest and morph). This is why the card doesn't work against double sided creatures
@ShuShu3131
@ShuShu3131 Жыл бұрын
​@@danielgraves13 i thought the whole point was to attack with a morphed creature and then paying its morph cost for a cheesy effect before the damage resolves... Am I missing something ?
@Kasamori
@Kasamori Жыл бұрын
@@theasternaut You couldn't target the flipped Praetors anyways, since they aren't creatures
@6letterss
@6letterss Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist had a use as it was part of a cycle with "check the top card of your deck and do X where X is its converted mana cost" cards
@JLH111176
@JLH111176 Жыл бұрын
what I wonder about Morph cards is how do you know the other player is not just playing a land card facedown claiming it has Morph if they game ends are all cards then turned face up ?
@TheVectornaut
@TheVectornaut Жыл бұрын
Even today, I would happily play a 3 mana 2/2 with first strike in a sealed or draft deck. The evergreen ability interacts favorably with burn spells, pump spells, aura and equipment, deathtouch, infect and wither, and a number of other on-damage triggers. Human and soldier are also both very popular tribes with substantial support in white.
@bigaloobooberry3461
@bigaloobooberry3461 Жыл бұрын
Does apocalypse chime hit basic lands?
@pkfatstephen6287
@pkfatstephen6287 Жыл бұрын
With Apokolips Chime: you forgot it also hits Serrated Arrows
@poiri
@poiri Жыл бұрын
If anyone is wondering why scornful egotist is like that, scourge, the set it’s from, had a theme with wanting you to have creatures with high mana costs so scornful egotist was a cheap way to get an 8 mana creature. This didn’t mean it was ever good however as it has always been a joke, and was likely designed as such even if it technically had a role.
@99bradyb
@99bradyb Жыл бұрын
Would Break Open be useful against cards in MoM that transform into stronger cards and battle cards?
@Cheerwine091
@Cheerwine091 Жыл бұрын
They aren’t considered face down, so unfortunately it wouldn’t work.
@dollors1
@dollors1 Жыл бұрын
Entertaining video thank you
@demonwaterdemonwater4993
@demonwaterdemonwater4993 Жыл бұрын
Did you check that set and compare it to what it fights about in it's set and year
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
Normally these videos compare to just modern Magic. But these cards in particular (except the ones where rules changed) were actually useless since day one.
@Leftists_are_Losers
@Leftists_are_Losers Жыл бұрын
Chaos Lace, Life Lace, Death Lace and two more whose names I don’t recall were a cycle of five cards which changed the color of a spell as it was being cast. Yes, your fireball could be a black spell by interrupting it with Death Lace. And such. All five of these should be on the list. But they aren’t. Edit : PureLace. ThoughtLace. Were the two others in the color cycle. Later they added Prismatic Lace and Moon Lace to cover the ability to change spells into multiple colors and into colorless spells. All seven are nearly useless.
@dyne313
@dyne313 Жыл бұрын
I can see Scorful Egotists as a good inclusion in a deck that was centered around morph, but in a format that has some kind of deckbuilding limits about how many good cards you can use. Like Canadian Highlander's points list.
@apoena-allnitemusic7203
@apoena-allnitemusic7203 Жыл бұрын
I made a pauper deck with egotist and I win several matches. Of course it's an weird deck but playable. It was a top of library manipulation deck with erratic explosion and miracle cards.
@autobotjazz1972
@autobotjazz1972 Жыл бұрын
I have found a niche use for scornful egotist, i run it in my ninja commander deck as a potential target for Yuriko which nets a nice bit of damage and worse case i can use it as a 2/2 blocker, mind an over costed one.
@Sam-z
@Sam-z 4 ай бұрын
Scornful egotist came in a red/blue starter deck that had some other card that dealt burn damage or did something else based on "converted mana cost". I'm pretty sure. It wasn't a good combo but that's what it was for.
@vibrantoucan8890
@vibrantoucan8890 20 сағат бұрын
Master of arms in addition to being a 2/2 first strike, can tap a creature with a tap ability your opponent might want to use in your second main phase.
@ShuShu3131
@ShuShu3131 Жыл бұрын
There was a say during draft Carnage games that Break Open was an effective counter to Blistering Firecat, which was the most powerful red morph card at the time... But the window to use it was very narrow and risky overall. Just sayin'
@gabrote42
@gabrote42 Жыл бұрын
Now that we had Praetors without titles, what about top 10 legendary creatures/planeswalkers with the best titles in their name? At the very least it has to be better than Jin-Gitaxias, Progress Tyrant.
@danielgraves13
@danielgraves13 Жыл бұрын
Kmahl, Fist of Krosia!
@gabrote42
@gabrote42 Жыл бұрын
@@danielgraves13 I'm talking more like Emrakul, The Aeons *Torn* but mostly I want TDL to do the video. There are some titles that at least to me sound rhythmic, rapturous or overall impactful. You know, like an Evangelion fan exclaiming "here comes Zeruel, The Angel of Might!!" in the kind of emotion that Jules puts into the quote from The Bodyguard in Pulp Fiction. I will be quite hyped if he ends up doing it.
@Fayheurblode
@Fayheurblode Жыл бұрын
Break Open can be useful on some (quite niche, that's true) occasions though... Ascending Aven, Bane of the Living, Blistering Firecat, Charging Slateback, Foothill Guide, Hidden Dragonslayer Jeering Instigator, Karona's Zealot, Kolaghan Stormsinger, can be thrown off balance quite easily when prematurely opened, but none worse than Unstable Hulk, which then makes its controller skip his next turn... Which, if opened after the combat phase, means a second nearly free turn for the opponent
@drjankenstein
@drjankenstein Жыл бұрын
I can think of a fun build around with Wood Elemental + Awaken the Wood + a sac payoff, but that is a LOT of build around. It's not compleely useless with Awaken the Woods being a thing tho, if you absolutely positively want to build a sac deck in green for...reasons.
@Beardhomestead
@Beardhomestead Жыл бұрын
Common Cause could give you some advantage if you keep up on removing your opponents creatures. Still unplayable, but I could see some sort of removal tribal getting some value out of it.
@TheSpiritombsableye
@TheSpiritombsableye Жыл бұрын
I can also. Trade all your bad cards to that player. That's the use.
@17klop
@17klop Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised one with nothing didn't even make the list😮
@EnderPryde
@EnderPryde Жыл бұрын
1) Scornful Egotist's usage is linked with being able to get a high CMC card into play for a low mana investment. "CMC matters" is a thing to keep in mind, especially in its particular set block - being an 8 mana card that you *can* use for only 3 mana is actually pretty okay in scourge block. 2) Common Cause is *really* niche in how you'd have to eke out usage. If you play Darknest Night, all creatures will share a color (black) and if you have more creatures (or, if your opponent uses Artifact Creatures) you'll get more benefit than your opponent. 3) Master of Arms is, baseline, a reasonable creature. 2/2 with first strike for 3 is not the best rate, but it is a good baseline for a creature - just look at Paladin en-Vec, Phyrexian Crusader, or Danitha Capashen.
@CYCO1631
@CYCO1631 Жыл бұрын
I use Revka, Wizard Savant from Homelands, in a deck designed to tap and untapped Deathtouch enabled 'Tim' cards.
@josephjustice5013
@josephjustice5013 Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist is a morph wizard, their was a blue morph lord that said if you turn up a morphed "wizard" you may counterspell as an ability instead of spell.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
You needed to sacrifice a Wizard, it didn't matter if that Wizard had morph or not.
@breawycker
@breawycker Жыл бұрын
I'm assuming the point of Common Cause as seen in the flavor text is all your creatures share a color and your opponents have no creatures which is a little better but still pretty useless especially in Commander and there are much better ways of getting +2/+2
@gabrielcornejo682
@gabrielcornejo682 Жыл бұрын
Could you make a top/list of uncommon/rare gamemodes. Like Commander that changes the game to a 4 player 100 cards with one creature to lead your strategy. It could help people change thing up the next time they meet to play casually
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Жыл бұрын
Dandan format says hello
@Cheerwine091
@Cheerwine091 Жыл бұрын
Commander is actually the most played format, so it probably wouldn’t fit on a list of uncommon formats.
@gabrielcornejo682
@gabrielcornejo682 Жыл бұрын
@@Cheerwine091 Yeah, I was just giving an example of how much it changes the standar format. So it wouldn't just be Legacy/Limited and others that just change the banlist or mulligan rules
@Wynterburne
@Wynterburne Жыл бұрын
I had the premade deck that Scornful Egotist came in an it wasn't *that* bad, it was built around cards that did damage based on the highest CMC among cards you control hence the egotist's high cost while still being easy to morph out and play
@Wynterburne
@Wynterburne Жыл бұрын
Still not a competitive deck these days but it was alright in the small games I played
@aegisofhonor
@aegisofhonor Жыл бұрын
Egotist saw play in standard in a deck I think was known as "cost's more". There were several card effects that counted the highest converted mana cost and Scornful Egotist was one of the easiest ways to get a super high casting cost card into play early. You forgot the "Bands with other Legends" lands from Legends, considered by most to be the 5 most useless and worst cards ever printed in Magic.
@MitchT97
@MitchT97 11 ай бұрын
Funny enough Wood Elemental would be a side board in my elementals deck, mainly for the lol value though. Its a fast paced landfall deck that by the time I played him I’d usually have 10-15 elementals on the field and most of my lands (essentially played through most of my deck in 5 turns) then I either just buff them all super high or play Sylvan Awakening on like 20 lands. So now I wanna drop Wood Elemental as a finisher.
@mazerinthemage2395
@mazerinthemage2395 Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist was actually really good, when it came out. There were a lot of CMC matters cards.
@MSR-1701
@MSR-1701 Жыл бұрын
I want to say Scornful Egotist was in an environment that had some casting cost significance, though that was a LONG while back
@rob679
@rob679 Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist is not that bad for one specific use case - using its converted mana cost for something. While it's face down converted cost is zero, but if you face-up it becomes 8 mana creature for 4 mana.
@randy5606
@randy5606 Жыл бұрын
Scourful egotist gets better in a scenario based off high mana values like the limited it was in an early game 8 mana creature is good if you have spells based on your highest mana cost or things that you reveal or exile it based on it's mana cost
@jmanwild87
@jmanwild87 Жыл бұрын
Also Power surge sees common play in Yurlok of scorch thrash decks since with him on the board mana burn is back in play
@basedbalaclavaman7011
@basedbalaclavaman7011 Жыл бұрын
You forgot fleshmad steed, unless there's some tech for it I don't know about, tapping whenever any creature dies is not great
@breadgehog
@breadgehog Жыл бұрын
Scornful Egotist has to be considered in the context of its block, where Wizard tribal was a thing, highest CMC mattered, and to a lesser extent morph was popular enough that having extra bait was also valuable. It wasn't anything incredible by any means but it was a draft/sealed card through and through.
@happywesley
@happywesley 5 ай бұрын
I believe there is a card that says, when creature enters the battlefield it deals damage equal to its mana cost. This would make scornfull egotist pretty strong.
@aelinstue9431
@aelinstue9431 Жыл бұрын
Not that break open is good but it can flip a morph card that has some sort of defensive ability like counters when flipped or a combat trick. Seems way more likely someone would play a morph worth seeing what it's doing ore combat than hoping they're playing homelands
@MageSkeleton
@MageSkeleton Жыл бұрын
it would actually be really cool if there was like a series doing "top ten useless/bad cards" of each set and would be cool if that series started at the first set WotC can reprint cards from. If i'm right then that means starting at Mercadian Masques is the first set after the reserved list WotC can freely reprint cards. From doing some research it seems as long as it's not a rare or mythic from what would be the "reserved list sets" WotC can freely reprint those cards. And what i'm looking for is if someone is willing to do "top ten useless/bad reprintable cards."
@JaxMerrick
@JaxMerrick Жыл бұрын
When I saw the thumbnail, I immediately thought of one of LoadingReadyRun's comments from their Friday Nights series: "Might I recommend Darksteel Relic? It's the hockey puck that costs nothing and does even less."
@calemr
@calemr Жыл бұрын
Darksteel Relic? You mean "Ensoul Artifact target", the 5/5 indestructible for 2 mana?
@JaxMerrick
@JaxMerrick Жыл бұрын
​@@calemr Well, in the episode they were building a cube of the worst cards possible, so I don't think Ensoul Artifact was in the list.
@williamdrum9899
@williamdrum9899 Жыл бұрын
Phylactery Lich: "UNLIMITED POWER!"
@aristizle8797
@aristizle8797 Жыл бұрын
I have used Master of Arms IRL. I think I even stopped a prodigal sorcerer from poking after blocking once. Playground magic was wild.
@TheSpiritombsableye
@TheSpiritombsableye Жыл бұрын
Prodigal Sorcerer can just tap in response to Master of Arms's ability.
@aristizle8797
@aristizle8797 Жыл бұрын
@@TheSpiritombsableye They block. You wait. If they don't do anything: great! If they activate the poke, you activate Master of Arms in response. They can't tap to poke before they declare the block if they want to block, they have to chump block before they can block-and-poke.
@adamg941
@adamg941 Жыл бұрын
@@aristizle8797 That's not how that works. The ping from sorc would have to be on the stack already for you to respond to it with the MoA tap. so it would be block
@hasechoward2928
@hasechoward2928 Жыл бұрын
I can see scournful egotist having synergy with the eldrazi cards that get their mana cost cheapened by sacing a creature
@frankcaggiano8282
@frankcaggiano8282 Жыл бұрын
Kinda crazy that Wrenn and Six is such an absolute powerhouse, everyone knows how insanely strong it is and how it does what it does, and here the first card is essentially stopping exactly what W&6 does, but it's entirely useless? You got me, dawg
@astralman
@astralman Жыл бұрын
How did Sorrow's Path and Zephyr Spirit not make the list?
@spudkin564
@spudkin564 Жыл бұрын
It was a smart move leaving One With Nothing off this list. It's a terrible card, but people would have lost their minds if you called it useless
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
I think this already happened in an old video, you're 100% right.
@trshaw52
@trshaw52 Жыл бұрын
Master of Arms could be useful in a deck where opponents creatures do not untap. opponent plays a creature (untapped) you attack they block, sure you die, but their creature also doesnt untap after (due to the effect). so it could, maybe, sorta, sometims have a less than useless effect. But there are probably more useless cards out there (any of the lace cards that change color, anything giving banding).
@FanaFinagicBall
@FanaFinagicBall 4 ай бұрын
What a weird selection o.O I was waiting for, at least, Zephyr Spirit, which is my favourite nice-looking-though-useless card ever ! Master of Arms was ... unexpected, btw.
@draftmagicagain1000
@draftmagicagain1000 Жыл бұрын
Master of Arms is a perfect flavor addition to an Equipment deck!
@jettblade
@jettblade Жыл бұрын
Wood Elemental has some niche uses since there are quite a few things that either make Forest Tokens or make things into Forests. It isn't good but has some extremely niche use. Break Open could be used to mistime effects. Honestly I could see it have something like negate the effects of flipping the card face-up but it is much too late to have that added to it, if we ever get another Morph set I would expect to get an effect like that. It is still extremely narrow to see use. Now Master of Arms is interesting. I could see it play well with destroy tapped creature effects or with multiple combat steps clearing away creatures. Tapping creatures isn't that common, though there are much better options. Of all the cards on this list it at least has a supported creature type in both Human and Soldier. I wouldn't call the card useless it is just under-powered.
@fernandobanda5734
@fernandobanda5734 Жыл бұрын
I don't see any scenario in which Wood Elemental does something that a simple Ivy Elemental can't, since the Forests need to be untapped anyway.
@jettblade
@jettblade Жыл бұрын
@@fernandobanda5734 If you're using creatures that are Forests you could run something like Martyr's Bond(only if it is a creature. doesn't work on nonland things or it would be busted) or Grave Pact to wipe out creatures. It isn't the best way but it could work, no one would see it coming.
@T4N7
@T4N7 Жыл бұрын
I used to run a playset of Scornful Egotist in a mono blue wizard deck cuz at the time my friends n I chose who went first by cutting our decks n the highest mana value went first n we cut again in the case of a tie until we didn't tie. So that massive mana cost was good for that n back then our decks were bad enough that a vanilla 2/2 for {3} was good enough n when I would morph it I could benefit from wizard synergies. Also I think Break Open should've been #1 since even when it was made it was useless whereas like u said; Master of Arms had a use when he was printed but rules changes messed him up which was ur exact reasoning for not having Power Surge higher on the list.
@dstreetz91
@dstreetz91 Жыл бұрын
Yeah like power surge now? Naturally, the most useless card in the game and he didn't even get it right in terms of timing thinking opponent would have a chance to do something before the mana emptied since there's the end of turn step where you would float mana and sure it goes away in the cleanup phase, but no one can do anything in the cleanup. Then they are untapped and available to be used to do things at instant speed again.
@dennisyoung6122
@dennisyoung6122 Жыл бұрын
Pygmy Hippo potentially can be on the list, though Power Surge is really only useful now with Mana Barbs effects or the one creature that brings back mana burn.
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