The Only Way Top Thrill 2 SURVIVES... Cedar Point, Sandusky, Ohio

[@DebonairSoul13]

“It must operate at least 7 days or more”!!! Classic Line 🤣😂🤣😂

[@Balancedpower420]

In an alternate universe Zampela succeeded with TT2 and Six Flags just announced Ka’s reimagining

[@austintayloradt]

I think the conversation on Kingda Ka would be much different if TT2 had opened well...

[@S197kevo]

Zamperla reimagined ttd with temu parts

[@PatrickRyan150]

😆

[@FAFO4wisdom-s9o]

It wasn't their parts that caused the problem, it was the old track needing to be replaced.

[@S197kevo]

@ old trains didn’t have a wheel problem and they inspected the ride before making plans for it

[@MOREVIVID25]

DAMNNNNN

[@huddyr1112]

😂😂😂💯💯💯

[@CritterCrossingFam]

YESSS my daughter and I rode TT2 in the back row - she wanted to put her arms up … normally, that’s us every single ride! But I asked her, please just hold on (she’s only 10) 😂 we were FLOATING over the top and I don’t think our butts hit the seats until we were traveling horizontally again!

[@SpiderWaffle]

The track is the most salient factor. They brought in upgraded wheel boogies with sensors, did their tests, then took the trains off right away and then 3D scanned the whole track and then everything changed after that. Haven't seen any work on TT2 since.

[@greg_216]

I agree. I think they're in a tough spot. Do they retrack the coaster ($$$$) so the trains will work? Or do they modify the trains ($$?) so they can handle the existing track? My guess is they started off with the latter and then discovered the required reinforcement would make the trains too heavy to clear the top hat in three launches. The solution might end up being some combination of retracking the worst sections, reinforcing the trains, and making the launch more powerful. It's certainly not a beginner-level engineering problem.

[@SpiderWaffle]

@greg_216 maybe improved wheel boogies and retracking to the rough parts, like wherever it goes over 70mph.

[@FrankDufek]

I love your channel man. You always stick to the facts but still keep it lighthearted and real.

[@AG7-MTM]

I hope these issues do not affect other potential Zamperla retrofits - After all, ThunderVolt at Playland was announced first, was a much more signifigant overhaul, and that doesn't seem to have any problems with its track or trains (granted, work on this ride started before TT2)

[@nathanward9972]

El Toro Ryan just did a video on how Kingda Ka's launch speed was adjusted to slow down the launch so it barely crawled over the top hat

[@Penguin_756]

You get what you pay for

[@JSInOrbit]

Is it public what was paid?

[@COASTER_CHASER_1]

I think the trains higher center of gravity could be causing the issues especially when it’s going through the twists on the top hat. I feel they should at least try and re-profile the twists to better match the heartline of the new trains.

[@maddymoester]

Idk that twist is fun af with the current set up.

[@jonny-b4954]

Yeah, that's my best guess. It's causing too much strain, too much shuffling and roughness, is messing with predicted G-forces on riders and structure etc.

[@highoctaneadventure]

I think there may be new trains that will have a seating position closer to the original Intamin trains. Once that centre of gravity is lowered to be what it was originally designed to be for the ride, they’ll be able adjust the speed over the top hat and hopefully avoid needing to reprofile any track.

[@barichm0]

The honest answer is that they already have ruined the ride. The launch is what was special and unique about Top Thrill Dragster. And the theming, which went with the launch. The video that Coaster Studios posted about the closing of Kingda Ka gives a lot of insight into this. They mentioned that Cedar Fair likely is doing this because of liability. They were grossly negligent during the pandemic. Their insurance company may have told them that they cannot operate such a ride.

[@CaseFamilyVlogs]

We really hope they actually get it open again. Its our #1 or #2 (depends on which one of us) out of 165 so far! It really was that insane!

[@PatrickRyan150]

I love the TPB Merch. The T-shirts are very comfortable & durable. I got many compliments at the park & met many other subscribers who noticed my shirt. 👍

[@gyme6077]

Just a rumor I've heard so that's all it is but I've heard the entire ride is off-center and that is what is causing the issues with the trains. I remember for a few days or weeks they had these Green Lasers on the track. Who knows though. I don't see it operating next season at all . I think that's why we got Sirens curse.

[@alexcutionman4569]

Also about it your new trains comment, I suspect they will be near visually identical trains with the same seats and body panels. If they only need to make new chassis they would take that route

[@techpappee]

Part of the problem with the trains was their heartline. It's raised on the Zamperla trains compared to where it was on Intamins. That can and did cause issues from my understanding. I won't be surprised if we see both modifications to the track and trains. Personally, I don't think CP will just scrap a $23+ million investment either.

[@THEREALJOJO-kl6gd]

They might design the trains in a similar way to how the other trains were. But with steel instead of aluminum because I don’t think aluminum is the best choice for making vehicles of this type

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

If this ride closes permanently, then it was the biggest waste of money ever

[@FAFO4wisdom-s9o]

Honestly that's what the park should have done was just closed the ride down. Was zamperla did was actually pretty cool, the problem is the old track has aged out. It's a crazy little thing that a lot of enthusiast tend to forget about called metal fatigue.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

@@FAFO4wisdom-s9o well also the new trains were terribly designed. They weren't made for the forces on the spiral parts

[@Historybluff1986]

If You think this could be the biggest waste of money ever you’ve never been married with kids.

[@TheBlueBunnyKen]

@@Historybluff1986 Oof

[@Brainwashed_Sheep]

You people are delusional 😂😂😂 don't get daily updates, and your minds run wild coming up with all sorts of rumors and drama 😂😂😂

[@eddieholt8222]

They know how to fix it. That is why Tony Clarke said TT2 "will" reopen in 2025 in WFMJ's youtube vid "Siren's Curse tilt coaster opening in 2025" Siren's Curse does not mean Cedar Point is doubtful about TT2.

[@TomFeldpausch]

Tony Clark also called Wild Mouse the 18th coaster when TTD wasn't going to reopen and PipeScream isn't even a coaster.

[@XxLiLGiJoE17xX]

Tony Clarke also said that Top Thrill 2 being closed in Summer 2024 is not an all season thing, and here we are now. I don't believe anything he says until it's proven.

[@MyLifeAsBrandon]

LOL that’s what happens when you go with a company who didn’t design the ride and never took on a ride of that caliber 💀

[@beneachus4901]

They better not only give me one ride a day with my fast lane plus for the year! That’s not what I paid for!

[@CoastersThrillsAndAirtimeHills]

Let’s hope zamperla sort it

[@mikes6457]

Happy i got this rare credit

[@justinchavez9530]

Even though the possible changes that you mentioned for Top Thrill 2 do sound a bit bold, I personally think that these changes are definitely needed for Cedar Point. Let’s hope that the park will fix all the issues surrounding TT2 before the start of the 2025 season. 🤞🏻🤞🏻🙏🏻 BTW, my birthday is coming up this Sunday.

[@JSInOrbit]

Weird question, but what if they put Ka’s trains on, maybe whatever the issue with the zamp trains wouldn’t be so sensitive towards the rougher track?

[@StacyRayl]

If it is close, almost the whole year and 2025 I could see them permanently closing

[@dindog22]

I feel like the higher center of gravity on the trains is the reason the wheel bogies are cracking. It could also put too much stress on the track and supports as well

[@alexcutionman4569]

6 operating days? I only count 4 public days. May 4, 5, 6 (opening weekend) and May 10th, as on Thursday May 9th it rained all day and never opened and May 11th and later it was closed

[@xSneakieXx]

He's counting the two media preview days as well, before park opening

[@alexcutionman4569]

@ than the number should be 10, as there was 4 pass holder preview days.

[@philhutchings7354]

The old track with new on top and very little to no reinforcement or bracing for the extra height.....this coaster should be a case scenario in many university engineering classes.

[@maddymoester]

Extra height?

[@jonny-b4954]

@@maddymoester The trains are much taller than the old ones. Pretty sure that's what he's talking about...?

[@seanlewis1148]

I really hate what this new 'Six Flags' is doing to their legacy Six Flags parks...especially with the removal of Kingda Ka. Seems like Richard Zimmerman is going all out making sure his baby Cedar Point doesn't get upstaged by any other parks in the chain.

[@FAFO4wisdom-s9o]

@@seanlewis1148 the ride aged out. 🤦‍♀️🤦🤦‍♂️

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

You hate that CF management is trying to turn around the dumpster fire that is SF legacy parks. SF parks have been financially under performing for a decades, they are run down with poor food, aesthetics, infrastructure, etc,,,,. CF is trying to make the bigger SF legacy parks more like the big CF legacy parks. CF with its Seasons of Fun plan has been running circles around SF legacy parks. CF is putting in gigas, new themed areas, nice restaurants and getting the ROIC on that leading to record financials in 2022. 2023 and up to the merger Q2 2024. Meanwhile Sf has regressed to 2017/2018 levels, lost 1/2 their pass base, attendance was down 7M after Selim's "plans", etc... The difference in the parks is clear in the first joint financials in Q3...CF legacy parks 792M revenue, 352 Ebidta, 108M net income, 11.8M attendance, SF parks 558M revenue, 206M Ebidta, 3 M net income(not a typo just 3M) and 9.2M attendance. SF got smoked by Cf and SF has 16 dry parks compared to CF's 11.

[@FAFO4wisdom-s9o]

@MCQ-fq6bv thank you! That's exactly what Im thinking! Some Thoosies have lost their damn minds. This is just what the franchise has been needing for DECADES!

[@carysage]

Ka was costing more money than it was making. New stuff brings in new money. 20 year old coasters only bring 'thoosies. 😂

[@FAFO4wisdom-s9o]

@carysage preach!!!!!!

[@christainmarks106]

Had it WORKED PROPERLY…. The coaster was well on it way to being a home run with the bases LOADED.

[@PHILLYCHEESESTEAK26]

I had my hands up going over the top hat and my body twisted quite a bit going down, those forces are no joke, I could see an injury happening, seriously hands need to be kept down during that part. So I can absolutely see how it put a ton of stress on the trains.

[@austintayloradt]

Wasn't it 8 days if you include the 2 days of charity events before passholder previews? I think they'll get it figured out and have a lot of uptime - remember, Steel Vengeance had a lot of growing pains the first few seasons, but worked through them all. I'm actually still holding out a (tiny) bit of hope that Six Flags is playing word games, and Kingda Ka actually gets the Intamin extended layout that they had in mind first for Dragster. Also, I think they need to figure out a way to get double sided lockers worked in somehow, or some other way to solve the issue of cell phones besides stopping at a locker before you even get in line. I'm also pretty concerned about losing the speed over the top hat, and really hoping they don't neuter it in the quest for reliability...that was by far the best part of the ride, not even close, and it would be losing a ton if they can't keep that intensity.

[@shaneh3109]

Im starting to think tt2 is not safe to be honest. Im scared someone is going to get hurt.

[@eddieholt8222]

TT2 is safe.

[@Valibativecreo]

I hope Zamperla is able to get this together, or we may see another huge lawsuit. I’m 50/50 as to rather or not they can fix the issues; since many of the employees are from Intamin I would think they would had a better understanding of this ride from the beginning. If worst comes to worst and demolition happens, the financial loss may push CF to sell parks sooner.

[@chemurray9667]

My take is 120mph LSM is brand spanking new. The trains have a lil shake on the third launch. They have to address that before the train starts playing pac man with the launch fins, no? I believe TT2 is going to open with 90% Efficiency in the 2025 season! Give CP some slack! Zamperla too

[@thedutchstreamking]

i think it is the switsche between the new zamperla and old intamin track like what you say if it is treu than i think intamin wil be cald so that intamin can fix tt2 like thee thit with the flaying dutche man a kumbake water coaster at efteling

[@MyLifeAsBrandon]

2 things: If they do call and try to get it fixed, they won’t respond. OR. CP doesn’t call at all - which is probably the most likely option

[@shanedenmark5536]

From what I heard, CF did reach out to Intamin for the original re-imagining and Intamin wanted no part of it. Intamin made CF sign off any and all liability on the ride going forward.

[@joshfreund6008]

Intamin put in a proposal with an extended layout tgat would have required CP to remove Iron Dragon, they said no and asked Intiman to submit a different idea to which they never replied

[@simonandlola7713]

The ride that cost the other parks new coasters!

[@nathanielthomas2502]

Hopefully the last name change my guy..from a loyal sub..😊

[@MrJohnJLewis]

😂

[@zacg_]

I really hope they get TT2 operating regularly. I didn't ride it during its one week of operation so I'd love to ride it. But also, I can't help but wonder if this whole fiasco (starting with the unreliability of TTD, the accident, and the expensive failure of the reimagination of the ride as TT2) will just leave a bad taste in people's mouths, residual Peele who bought season passes or planned vacations from far away. It's not like the park is going to close. But if this hurts it's reputation I worry that such a thing could hurt the park's performance and ultimately it's investment level. Don't get me wrong. I'm sure the chain will do what it can to help the park bounce back. But if TT2 fails and then they have any other major problems that could translate into real long term consequences if ticket sales lag.

[@brianlevandowski3167]

From what i heard is loaded trains need less speed to make it over the top hat, especially when dragster & ka were only going 115mph range speed at max. So maybe they can boost up the 1st launch speed since the 3rd launch wont need as much boost? Or at the top of the 2nd launch put the breaks on and have a quick pause for that hanging effect.

[@aarontaylor7750]

Very sad to say this but I'm not convinced TT2 will ever operate again.

[@RyanAnthony-r9f]

Bro changes this channel name like the weather changes in Florida

[@Dookieryan]

Intamin should reimagine tt2

[@ItsSiebay]

The radio silence on this particular project compared to others in the chain doesn’t spell confidence. I’d be surprised if this operates over 60% of the time next year. Considering I’ve never been to Cedar Point, it doesn’t really bother me, but I don’t like what’s happening.

[@jandrew1994]

I agree with pretty much all of this and I've been on your side, Brandon, for this entire time. I don't like all the negative comments you've gotten for no good reason.

[@jeffjensen27]

Buddy Your Video On This Is Merely Spit balling. Your Choice Of Words Is Very ASSUMING. Your Merely Wishing Or HOPING That Cedar Point Does This. You Ought To Shift Your Obsession To Something MORE REALISTIC & FACTUAL Instead Of Speculating On ECH & EVERTY VIDEO! So Unfortunately YOU Get A THUMBS DOWN & I WILL NOT BE SMASHING To JOIN YOUr Adventure That Seems To Be Leading NOWHERE!

[@Honald-yt5dy]

The current trains sit too high and raises the center of gravity with a loaded train. The top hat and twist therefore put greater stress and less stability on the track. If the go with new trains they will be lower to the track to the point that visibility on all seats beyond the first car will be very obstructed. In the end the track will most likely need to be replaced to profile with the new trains. I hope they are willing to spend the money to get it right!

[@tylerrusnak7736]

Honestly wouldn't surprise me if the coaster is gone by 25 or 26. I really don't see it working out.

[@Brainwashed_Sheep]

You people are delusional 😂😂😂 don't get daily updates, and your minds run wild coming up with all sorts of rumors and drama 😂😂😂

[@tylerrusnak7736]

@Brainwashed_Sheep I mean, not really? I think most expected some work to be done on it. Plus the announcement of another coaster immediately after this one failed shows low confidence. Parks don't just plop down a new coaster every year.

[@stevenmosley4982]

Not bothering to get passed till it is open and operating. Didn't use 2024 pass at all.

[@LyndsieDances]

We all told them not to do this. Where are the defenders now

[@drewcorry5056]

Wonder if they will tear it down??

[@cp_coasterlover]

Honestly with the silence from the park I am leaning towards the ride not opening again. You would think you would have seen some activity around TT2 if they would have intentions to open it next year.

[@CoasterKies]

its on their website that its scheduled to reopen in 2025

[@cp_coasterlover]

@ I believe that it has said that since July or August of 2024. So the park has been basically silent for the last 3 months.

[@frankthecat1660]

Lol because they haven't kept you in the loop for a few months, you think they're just going to knock the whole thing down? 😂

[@Brainwashed_Sheep]

​@@frankthecat1660 people are delusional 😂😂😂 these youtubers don't get daily updates and their minds run wild coming up with all sorts of rumors and drama 😂😂😂

[@shizzzon]

What is there to update? Can't do anything without trains... so until they get new or modified trains, what CAN be updated? Zamperla clocked in on time this week? Etc... there won't be anything until they start ghost cycling again...

[@craigrock2828]

What if they kept the trains but extend the top hat......

[@Galistia]

Cedar Point is about to monetize the crud out of those TT2 lockers even more to help make up for their business decision disaster lol.

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

Cedar Point had a great year financially, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[@Galistia]

@MCQ-fq6bv That's not what I was getting at. You don't know how to read and comprehend, apparently.

[@clickonrun]

Thinking positively, sending good vibes.

[@ThemeParkMotivation]

💚

[@Sevrock]

Brandon, you absolutely did not get to ride Top Thrill 2 "as much as you want," when it was open for all of 6 days. Just saying. Lol

[@MrHaaspaul]

The TT2 trains don’t look like they go over the top hat that fast…..even though I know when riding it you said they do.

[@DXJDOLCE]

I'm am so tired of hearing about CP

[@876portturbo]

This failure cost us Ka I feel. Is CF just going to keep demonizing manufactures like Intamin and RMC? Now they won’t want to work with Zamperla, they should have found a way to work with Intamin. Guess they can just build B&M and Mack now?

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

Ka was a rattle trap and maintenance nightmare that's why it closed, not to mention the continuous declining ridership.

[@CCA_]

Something mentioned I forget where but six flags wanted to diversify their rides so have 2 strata swing launch coasters feels like an overlap. Say someone rode TT2 they might not go to GADV for Kingda Ka 2 as they’re ridden the same ride somewhere else.

[@shawnrw3727]

The trains are too tall . Makes the riders heartline out of position. Not only does this whip the crap out of you going up and down the top hat , but it also puts stress on the track and trains.

[@Patexer]

The whip looks great

[@maverickheartlineroll]

💯

[@owenkonjura]

They're bringing back the hydraulic launch

[@carysage]

😂😂😂😂

[@rwilliam62521]

Honestly, how can you trust someone who pronounces roller coaster ROLLY coaster?

[@Garfield34-q6h]

This guy thinks he know everything he don't

[@camorton2345]

Do you ? That's kinda rude to say you don't know what he knows. Us in the coaster community appreciate his content.

[@seanlewis1148]

Make a better video

[@camorton2345]

@seanlewis1148 let me guess you have the best content and videos on KZbin huh. You sounding like a hater to be honest

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

@@camorton2345 He's clueless.

[@camorton2345]

@MCQ-fq6bv smh

[@JJJJ-he8bz]

To think this costed us Kingda Ka

[@FAFO4wisdom-s9o]

Kingda ka like top thrill dragster aged out. The old track is suffering from metal fatigue. You can't stack a tower that high and not expect it to just get worn out.

[@Galistia]

@@FAFO4wisdom-s9o If Cedar Fair hadn't cheaped out with TT2, it would be in a much better place, and management would see that and probably apply the same thing to Kingda Ka.

[@Brainwashed_Sheep]

You people are delusional 😂😂😂 don't get daily updates, and your minds run wild coming up with all sorts of rumors and drama 😂😂😂

[@TrueLies23]

Let's see, park spends millions and bets big on manufacturer, doesnt work immediately out but still has promising future ahead. A for effort KZbinr trying to profit off real work, real things being done in reality, such as the aforementioned park, ride, and manufacturer and millions of dollars involved. F for effort Something to be said for integrity and i suspect thats why, despite the struggles of 2024 for TT2, CP will still have record attendance and millions in profit. There is a reason that parks dont work with enthusiast KZbinrs, and it simply is judgment and decision-making combined with integrity.

[@braddougan1919]

Man since after 2018 CP has gone downhill

[@MCQ-fq6bv]

Clueless thoosie says what? Cedar Fair laughs all the way to the bank. The park is better than it has ever been in rides, food, atmosphere, etc..