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[@Caboose575]

The "new" Black Noir actor is the same actor that's been playing him since season 1. In season 3, the used a different actor for all the unmasked Black Noir scenes.

[@arthurjameson2178]

That's so funny to me. Playing a character for the whole show and you don't show your face or speak until the 4th season.

[@wifine1951]

Thank god he’s a decent human being and not an ass like Pedro Pascal. He just ditched season 2 and s3 and did only the voice work and the stunt double was in the suit.

[@zgama6511]

​​@@wifine1951since when was Pedro Pascal in the boys? Also I've never seen anything that shows that man as anything but nice and I've never heard anything about him being a dickhead and with how popular he is I think I'd have heard about that.

[@MannequinMonarch]

@@zgama6511 He’s talking about The Mandalorian I think? Since Pedro is pretty much never on set? Dunno, seems ridiculous as something to get angry about anyway. He does what his job is(primarily voice work and mask off for the character when it happens), and he does it well.

[@zgama6511]

@@MannequinMonarch I mean if he's mad about that has he seen any marvel movie ever? Those things are so cut to shit it isn't even funny I don't think half of those actors do their own stunts 😂 at least in this case it's justified I don't care if a stunt man does the work in the suit if I can't see the mans face and the voice is all that matters who cares? I'd rather a scene look and feel good than have the actor do a hundred percent of the work. As cool as Keanu Reeves is for John wick not every actor is capable or willing to do give that sort of dedication to a single movie/show and that's totally fine the final product is what matters.

[@AdamSoucyDrums]

It’s possible that Jack Quaid is busy BTS, but I’m actually really vibing with what they’re doing with Hugie. He’s the only character in the cast that is actively letting go of his past through forgiveness and growth while *everyone else* is getting crushed under the weight of their unresolved traumas

[@maskedman5657]

Yeah If I'm being honest I'm not that interested in Hughies subplot either. Most of the the boys subplots I'm just not that interested in. Not Kimikos, Frenchies,. I'm slightly curious about Butchers

[@Batx0123LOLXD]

Hughies subplot was kinda boring tbh it did not need to be 5 eps long for the tiny amount of impact it had

[@dylanperry3735]

@@maskedman5657Frenchies subplot this season is so dumb to me. He is a grown man much older than the kid he got emotional about, he should’ve never got involved with Collin. Any adult would never entertain a relationship with someone who’s family you murdered. Kimiko is so concerned with him but it was her denying him a valid relationship that pushed him to Collin. She is partially at fault. MMs wife is dumb. Yelling at him because his daughter punched someone was stupid. Yeah MM does punch people to “solve problems” but it’s his job. And a very high paying one at that, it’s not like he’s a drunk out in the streets whoopin ass, bro is literally fighting to save humans from getting turned into cattle. Hughies sub plot is 3 seasons too late, he has only had a subplot when his girlfriend died and that ended when A-train had growth and apologized to his face. A-train, Butcher, and Sister Sage have more compelling plot lines, hell even The Deep is more entertaining than what The Boys have going on in their personal lives.

[@AdamSoucyDrums]

@@Batx0123LOLXDI guess it depends on what you’re looking for. I’m personally way more interested in character writing than plotting, and the emotional impact episode 5 had on Hugie is pretty huge, arguably bigger than his entire arc last season. It also made me cry like a baby!

[@dylanperry3735]

@@AdamSoucyDrumsit was good for the emotional impact I feel it came way too late in the show. Hughie has never really had his own subplot. The one with his dad while good was late and happened too fast. Meanwhile Frenchie is about to be tweaking because he as a grown man sparked up a relationship with the much younger man of the family he murdered. Literally the stupidest subplot in the show. The Deeps Ohio subplot was better

[@Man_of_Oil]

Not sure why people don't love Hughie's subplot, using Compound-V to save a dying relative and dealing with the fallout of that feels like a very on-brand and like an obvious concept to explore.

[@michaelsurratt1864]

Probably because it felt so jarring, his mom shows up out of nowhere randomly. All of a sudden she’s got power of attorney instead of her son? I was actually fast forwarding through some of her parts just didn’t care seemed forced.

[@winninginlife]

@@michaelsurratt1864 His mother is strange, she found Compound V Hughies pocket and gave it to his dad. Hughie changed his mind but it was too late her Karen behavior compelled her to butt in where not needed, almost costing her, her life. He needs to send her on her way....she should crawl back under the rock she came from.

[@SIZModig]

I thought for a lo g time that it was all a setup by Vought and that his mom was a fake. They could have made it feel more real I think, because they must know that we're sceptical to anything until proven otherwise.

[@jamiebowler4693]

Honestly as someone who’s parent isn’t in the picture I can really empathise with Hughie and how much seeing that person again hurt him, I liked that his dad explains why he doesn’t have power of attorney (even though it was weird when first mentioned) cause hughie wont let him go and he proved it when he contemplated using the V. His mom throwing the curveball feels appropriate she’s derailed his life twice now. I don’t think we’re supposed to like his mom either I don’t. Hughie having to put his dad down was heartbreaking. I know if I thought I could save a loved one I’d try.

[@FMrewind]

@@michaelsurratt1864so you didn’t watch it…?

[@rykx0r]

Hughie's plot feels interesting to me because it shows that you can be kind and compassionate and still make tough choices. You don't need to be Butcher.

[@josephhufford4090]

Hughie was at a low point last season but he's bounced back to probably being the healthiest, mentally, of the bunch. Everyone else is breaking down.

[@harshvardhanjha4611]

You have to be butcher in real life, in fiction maybe not.

[@rykx0r]

@@harshvardhanjha4611 Incorrect, bad take.

[@PewPewShootEmUp]

​@@harshvardhanjha4611 it's a balance, you should know when to be butcher.

[@KovCapyWizz]

​@@harshvardhanjha4611being a psycotic SOB is good? Well thats a take i guess...

[@The_Dinosaur_Heretic]

The death of Hughie Sr needs to be in tandem with A-Train’s redemption. A-Train cannot be fully redeemed until Hughie Jr is ready to move on. Allowing Hughie to be okay with letting go of the past is how he’s able to let go of what A-Train did to Robin, and thus prove to the audience that A-Train is worthy of redemption. That’s just clean, simple writing.

[@ssts2013]

My favorite part was when it didn't bother Hughie at all that he got all those innocent people killed by stealing that compound v and his dad getting injected by it. Hughie doesn't care about people at all anymore. This season is garbage.

[@The_Dinosaur_Heretic]

@@ssts2013 Funny how you can see the disgust he has on his face when his dad kills people. Funny how you can see Hughie stepping in to protect his mum from his dad. Funny how you can see Hughie’s internal conflict with condemning someone he loves. Funny how you can see the aftermath of his father’s actions and subsequent death impacting Hughie in the following episode. It’s like you didn’t even watch the show

[@ssts2013]

@@The_Dinosaur_Heretic They ended that show with Hughie crying about himself. At least Frenchie feels guilt for his actions and turned himself in. Hughie is all about Hughie.

[@MaestroAlvis]

Didn't think about that. That's really good.

[@Nemo_-qi1bo]

​@@ssts2013bro did not watch the show 💀

[@atomicq3603]

The thing about Sister Sage that I’m curious about is that she must have some sort of contingency for Homelander because there’s no way she doesn’t know how volatile he is. If Homelander kills her and she’s in any way surprised it’ll completely diminish her supposed influence.

[@nickbrowning3270]

shes only as smart as the writers so probably not

[@alexandercharizard3617]

yeah that's a bit strange. When they first meet she says he's welcome to laser her. And that might be a bluff, but it's a bit weird. And then she point out that his ego can't handle her and how petty he is, which is absolutely correct, but also risks making him snap. So she's smart enough to know all this but not smart enough to tell him in a more subtle way? Or she knows precisely how far she can go with him?

[@josephwilliams1251]

@@alexandercharizard3617I dunno if it’s contingency of anything. I think she was deeply depressed, lobotomizing herself for s high and, might just bd in s bad enough mental spot she’s ok with dying.

[@TheKyleMark]

@@josephwilliams1251Depression does have a certain amount of correlation with intelligence. Given her brain can resist extreme damage I’m guessing Prozac doesn’t do shit either.

[@ShowMeDemBoobies]

​who said she does it for a high? Fckn donut

[@GreyKnight7777]

I liked the plotline with Hughie and his dad. I lost my father recently, and I appreciated that they used the setting to act out a fantasy of having a second chance with a lost loved one. And especially in the wake of the pandemic, when so many lost loved ones under circumstances when they could not be present to say goodbye, it is a fantasy I think that many will find relatable.

[@sadmermaid]

Im sorry dude. I hope you're doing okay.

[@kbuuns]

My theory for Kessler is that he died on that mission he talked about with Butcher where their whole squad died and Butcher saved Kessler's life. I'm guessing someone is going to mention that mission and how Butcher was the only survivor, or we'll see a file that shows all the people who were KIA on the mission with him being one of them and we'll get a sort of "shattered mirror" type scene with Butcher.

[@MarianelaAyelenlourdesSajama]

Oh,this theory makes so much sense!

[@gapsule2326]

If they go that direction I think Butcher killed him.

[@zenith9701]

Dude...

[@g00gleisgayerthanaids56]

​@@zenith9701the writing is extremely predictable... this was painfully obvious.

[@Hodapp]

@@zenith9701VaughtHQ already leaked and now the show has showed that this is very much the case and it seemed pretty obviously set up already. He already has one person who’s dead talking to him, why would this random guy come into the show, only talk to Butcher not be in his head.

[@juannaym8488]

honestly, season 4 feels like it's mostly padding. There are storylines I really like, but like a good 40-50% of each episode feels unnecessary. It seems like it's just setup for the final season

[@AstonishingRed]

I just wonder, what was the point of having MM kick Butcher out of the group, reject him when he wanted to rejoin, only to have him rejoin suddenly off screen? That just felt kind of weird.

[@patrickbret1056]

I feel like that’s happened like 9x

[@lunasperidot8760]

It wasn't offscreen? He told them about the virus and he was the only one who knew where it was besides neuman

[@steggyweggy]

They want Butcher to feel isolated but still need him in the action for the plot to happen so they just have him be whichever is more convenient at the time. If it’s more convenient for Butcher to feel isolated then he will be, and if it’s more convenient for him to be a part of the team then he will be. It’s not a huge problem, but it is kinda lazy/annoying

[@HerMi.T]

​@@steggyweggy but the butcher is joined after he actually helps them. They hate how he acts but they have to take his help when they need it. The reason MM kicked him out was because he was going to die. He let them join when they understand their us no other choice.

[@minefail44]

You say that like it doesn't happen every season

[@enhydralutra]

I like the idea of Neuman. That she has the same goals of killing Homelander and destroy Vought, but that she also has the goal of removing restrictions on supes. She shouldn't have been a villain, but rather just a complicated ally.

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

Maybe the curveball for S5 is that Neuman and Hughie (idk if Butcher will) become allies in taking down Homelander

[@keatsiannightingale2025]

Literal terrorist as a hero arch? Not a good idea.

[@ethan8649]

​@@keatsiannightingale2025 There's no heroes in this TV show...

[@amatanata]

I think she is a complicated ally, but to Hughie as Hughie is the only person who believes in her.

[@Magmacholic]

Welp I guess the show-writers didn't find it as interesting as you did, this season finale was so fucking unsatisfying man.

[@azzu12]

I think the issue with this season is it’s all feels like filler. It’s obvious they are winding down and just waiting to go HAM for their final season. Aside from Butcher, Ryan and Homelander the rest of the characters arcs just feel very repetitive. I don’t hate it but it’s glaring obvious change in pace from the absolute blast that was season 3

[@gapsule2326]

Filler has to be one of the most abused and misused terms in relation to media.

[@azzu12]

@@gapsule2326 I used it to express how these side arcs this season feel less engaging or not directly impacting the main plot. Filler felt like the best option.

[@BonsaiM]

Season 3, especially Soldier Boy, was fantastic. I think you hit the nail on the head with this being a filler. I'm thinking that by the time the last episode ends with this season though, it's going to leave people foaming at the mouth with how much of a cliffhanger it will have.

[@sami444L]

@@BonsaiM i feel like moments where theres not as much action and the focus is more turned on worldbuilding shouldnt be underestimated. ofc its natural to feel like its a waste of time cuz you didnt get exactly what you looked for but its crazy for a series to reach the magnitude of the boys. In order to not have loose ends and contrivances i appreciate the diversion

[@AT-ck1tl]

All the boys seasons are filler after the first one.

[@SaiyanHeretic]

I was also thrown by M.M. at first, not just because the actor shaved. Reportedly, trying to keep up the character's sheer muscle mass was detrimental to his health, so he cut back on that part of his training and he is visibly smaller this season. I think they even wrote it into the show, because at one point, M.M. gets called out for not eating.

[@basicname1555]

yea in the show its referenced that he started eating less due to becoming the leader of the boys

[@MaestroAlvis]

Oof yeah. I hope Laz Alonso (MM) is OK. Steroids are absolutely used to create the Hollywood muscle man. Total respect if he turned those down.

[@leonrussell9607]

He looks like he got AIDS in between seasons

[@drewk3259]

Omg! Thankyou! I thought it was a different actor for a second he looked so different. I wondered why he was so much smaller. Didn't know any of this background. I was gonna Google it, but then forgot. But yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Cheers for the information!

[@jhenry8079]

I love the fact that they are giving Nathan Mitchell lines this season

[@highdefinition450]

who lol

[@abrahammanilla7948]

@@highdefinition450 black noir

[@Watermelon_Man]

@@highdefinition450 You couldn’t use context clues?

[@hudsonclarkk]

@@Watermelon_Manit's a different actor this season goofball

[@ShadeKill]

@@hudsonclarkk One google search and you'll see it's the same actor

[@patheticmango7631]

I described the farm episode as, it felt like another "way to get homelander" only for the twist to be it doesn't go well like the show has done more than once.

[@marlowemichaelson1366]

The pacing. It’s simply too slow. And the last season had an anticlimactic finale that didn’t really do much other than make Vic and Homey more powerful. We don’t need to change the status quo entirely but it feels like too many characters and plot threads lead nowhere meaningful. Shit just be happening lol

[@mrluthfians01]

agree, it's been slowwww

[@akeelyaqub2538]

Bro most plots haven’t moved forward since episode 1 or even since last season its moving at a snails pace.

[@willster2967]

@@akeelyaqub2538 That's just patently untrue

[@akeelyaqub2538]

@@willster2967 yea now its untrue but when i wrote it, the plot barely moved forward at all. Homelander didnt do sh*t but talk about his plans all season with little to no actions, ryan enjoyed seeing suffering again... exactly like s3s finale so he barely changed since and the virus was in the exact same place plot wise as it was in gen v's finale, as just something characters knew about.

[@willster2967]

@@akeelyaqub2538 Ryan's character is clearly in a tug of war between the soulless powerful perspective of homelander and the more human decent person perspective of butcher. The newest episode made that very fucking clear. Homelander actively took steps throughout the season towards his plans, clearly it was slow because they're doing building this season for the climactic final season. You don't have to like the slower burn character driven season but it has a purpose and you'd have to levy real reason why it's not good, not just point out that that's what they're clearly doing. Also what you just said about the virus is just patently untrue with the newest episode. It's untrue even if you only saw last week's episode. These things you're saying they just don't really make sense to me. I find the criticism like warm at best and kind of just flat out wrong the rest of the time.

[@joshuadelorme-novakowski2114]

I think what they're doing for the main characters is actually quite interesting. All of them have one thematic element running throughout all of their stories, their past actions haunting them today. Butcher is obviously being haunted by his past and reflecting on his entire life, but you also have Kimiko with the girl she forced into the the terrorist cell, and Starlight sabotaging Firecracker when they were kids. Even MM has to deal with his violent past get copied by his daughter. Huey's plotline also has this, though it's more subtle, with it just being not letting his cat get put down when he was a kid, having the side effect of his dad not trusting that he could let go when necessary, though ironically it was his mother, the one his father trusted to let go, was the one to revive him. The big difference, so far, is that Huey's the only one who can grow from his past rather than be stuck to his old ways, learning to let go. I think this is why Frenchie's plot line seemed so repetitive. As you said, it's pretty similar to what's been done before for his character. But to keep thematic consistency with the rest of the cast, they had to give more bad things he's done to overcome it. Hope this makes sense, I thought what I saw as a throughline between all the character's stories were pretty cool.

[@kelthekonqrr]

It was and this is very accurate! I also think that Hughie’s character represents a man who can let go and move forward, Butcher represents a man who has the choice to move forward but could become Evil or Good, Frenchie represents a man who wants to change, but is stuck in a cycle that seems unbreakable like a drug addict, MM represents a man who is forced to being the better man because of his responsibilities, however, that doesn’t mean he’s let go, thus it spills into other areas of his life.

[@andreastory800]

Agree!

[@jamiebowler4693]

Honestly if they did the Colin thing with kimiko instead it would have fitted better, frenchie is getting closer with her and now he’s not sure if he can fully open up to her, they could have mirrored each other in that way and maybe show a toxic side to their relationship. Idk I’m not a writer.

[@romainbel6304]

Definitely agree, we also get that theme with homelander going back to the lab he grew up in

[@ytmld]

The depressing part about this is is that Tomer Capone Is an amazing actor, and they really misused his talent, not for the betterment of the plot, but because they need filler.

[@CaptainArthanos]

Before the video, in my opinion what works: -Homelander in general -Butcher in general -Both of them are elevated by Ryan -The Deep in general. I laugh at almost everything he says. -Sister Sage in concept, tho her dialogue can be really cringey -Giancarlo Esposito and Simon Pegg’s performances. Best parts of the season imo. It is disappointing that it feels like both actors were too expensive for them to actually get back; Queen Maeve and especially Soldier Boy are both also missed imo. What isn’t working for me: -Frenchie and Starlight. It seems like they ran out of things to do for both characters and so had to write in backstory that doesn’t have time to even set in before it’s supposed to matter. Like baking exposition for twists and reveals INTO said twists or reveals. I would much prefer Frenchie and Colin to have no past and be a fresh relationship to watch grow, rather than a past relationship that needs to be exposited. At least show instead of telling us and expecting us to care. -Hughie’s story. I rewatched the first episode and feel that they’ve fumbled the Butcher/Hughie relationship. Bringing in his mother, again seemingly from nowhere and in a fairly corny way, was not my cup of tea. -The comedy is hit or miss. It seems like the writers have a quota for one really gross sex joke and one piece of particularly horrifying graphic violence/gore. Multiplying dude eating his own ass seemed out of place, like an obligation. -The satire is either not nearly as smart as it once was, getting old, or both. Firecracker is lame, a lot of the political themes of especially the first three episodes are really weak and juvenile compared to the first season. Fwiw I lean left but the Trump “allegories” are really cringe and the show operates under the logic that politics are mostly what is actually shown to the public. -Lastly, the tension. In all honesty, Homelander should have won by now. It seems like the show has been treading water with him and Neuman for so long because both of them are unstoppable. Temp V was interesting but the show blew its load too early without being willing to make that a conceit/core concept. I feel silly for writing all this but ig I wanted my opinions as of episode 5 written *somewhere* so

[@shanebattistv2165]

Nailed it. Stan Edgar’s comment to The Boys, “I can’t believe you all survived this long” struck me because yeah, at this point how are we still doing this? I love the concept but how many times can we have a plan to confront Homelander/Neuman over and over? Both of them know who each of The Boys are and have all the resources/motivation to wipe them out in a day but they just.. don’t. This story would have worked better if it was compressed to three or four total seasons to trim the fat.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

I don't get it, the satire in Thw Boys was always blunt as a hammer. It elevated a bit the stuff from the comics but overall it was never subtle. But if you feel like it's getting tiresome that's a fair point, after 3 and a half seasons things have tendency to go a bit stale.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

​@@shanebattistv2165except both Homelander and Neumann have bigger worries than the Boys. FIrst of all Homelander is vain and he believe he is better than mere mortals so he doesn't care so much about the Boys when he is in the middle of a "take over the world" plan. Besides Ryan doesn't want Homelander to kill Butcher. Neumann on the other hands is too preoccupied with not being killed by/trying to kill Homelander herself.

[@El_Santo821]

Completely agree, I’m not a political person, but even I was noticing it’s spoon feeding us with it’s political views, I don’t mind someone’s political view in media but at least make it interesting and present it in an intelligent way like the previous seasons.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@El_Santo821 lol, no, the political satire is as blunt as it ever was

[@abermen]

Story wise, the show is running into issues because at its core, it’s a genre show. There’s only so much character backstory/building you can do. The show works best when the plot is moving forward.

[@mattgilbert7347]

Bingo.

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

I strongly agree

[@kelthekonqrr]

I think they’re doing a really good job with pacing, and building as much as Super Hero movies go

[@saisameer8771]

They are stretching it way too thin honestly. Almost everything from season 2 onwards feels like filler. Season 1 felt fast and tightly paced.

[@aaronfrantz25]

​@@saisameer8771the jokes landed for me best in S1

[@jorgeneedssleep7978]

Maybe its just me but I really loved Hughie’s subplot personally

[@ceccascorp8149]

Agree completely, its heartbreaking and truly an emotional rollercoaster

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

Same. I really loved it.

[@encyclopediaespx1128]

Hughie subplot and Homelander main-throughline are the most compelling things. I like where Butcher’s going but he really needs more rehab time for what happened last season.

[@UnoDinero95001]

It’s not just you, it’s love it as well.

[@LibertyBridgeProductions]

It’s good people are just a bit to judgemental

[@jackstutz2860]

I feel like we can't end this season without some major deaths. We got through last season with all the og members of the Boys still alive and wait did any main characters die last season? I know Maeve went off somewhere to live her life quietly, but she's not dead. Oh, well i guess Black Noir died but other than him I can't remember anyone who died. Anyway, I think we need some main character deaths this season. I think Neuman is safe bc her plot must have something to do with either my Jan 6th theory (guys, its pretty obvious what they want to set up there lmao) or just the endgame of the show. I think the Deep is safe unless they pull something out of pocket. I think Sister Sage might die if for no other reason than a lot of the Secondary Antagonists both have S names and then also die or are at least removed from the board. I think new Black Noir is safe bc he's funny. I think Ashley is safe unless A-Train throws her under the bus to save himself (seems unlikely though). I do think A-Train is going to die. I don't really see a way out of his current predicament without some pretty thick plot armor which would undercut the main themes of the show in that nobody should feel safe. Homelander and Butcher are both gonna live. I think Hughie lives. I think Kimiko lives. I think Annie lives. I think it's very possible that Frenchie dies. I think it would be a HUGE twist if MM dies this season too. It could be that with the way MM has been working so hard to keep the team together and functioning, the show is gonna Agent Coulson him and use his death to rally the Boys back to the mission instead of all these side quests they've got going on. I almost forgot about Firecracker...ummm, yeah she probably dies too just cause I don't see a need for an extended use of that character to further the story.

[@nuvjoti]

How about the deep?

[@CoOlKyUbI96]

@@nuvjotiunless Deep ends up doing something, I wouldn’t care if he died. He’s just be relegated to being a joke

[@Problemsolver434]

I feel like Game of Thrones has made too many people expect main characters to die in stories. I think the character have arcs that are planned till the end of the story and they are not gonna die yet

[@nuvjoti]

@@Problemsolver434 funny thing is GOT was famously subverting expectations by killing off main characters, which has made the surprise deaths the expectation! Now I guess they’re subverting expectations by not killing anyone 😂 I guess they just need us to get comfortable so that a death can resonate as much as it should.

[@CrossOutBryce]

I would not be surprised if Frenchie, Deep, Sage, and Firecracker all die

[@SIZModig]

I agree with all of this, but you didn't mention how anticlimactic the trials were - they jump cut past whatever is said and Tadaaa, Homelander is innocent. How? Why? No news reporting or talk about it whatsoever. I wish we had an episode where we got to see it play out.

[@spand9043]

Actually this is a good point, they had a lot of potential there for an engaging episode. I think all the episodes so far have necessary elements but some of the screentime could have gone into an episode like this for sure

[@gishigoshi]

I agree. I think the idea was that everyone is so afraid of homelander that they just wanna let him off the hook asap but I feel like there could’ve been an interesting court drama there

[@inexperiencedknife]

Nothing's happening. The plot is at a standstill. And there's only 2 episodes left

[@muddabuwshi6510]

The satire from Firecracker makes me smile big Also A train saying that one of the movies have been reshot many times "it must be good" made me think of Secret Invasion again😭

[@Alkeeros]

Yeah,take most MCU movies or the Flash. It's a brilliant satire of all the big Superhero franchises

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Nope, Secret Invasion is nothing, think of Flash that was in production for almost a decade 😂

[@spand9043]

I think it's also about the next captain America movie and the budget joke is definitely a shot at rings of power

[@spearofhope2]

"The boys can just never be as interesting as the Supes" - I think that's what my issue with this show comes down to. The idea of regular people who have to team up and come to with crazy strategies to kill corrupt superheroes... That's SUCH a great concept that could be so so fun! And yet this show never wanted to let that be the premise, and it's just a terrible waste. They're more fixated on having fun with these horrible monsters than with the characters who would much more naturally fit the position of protagonists. I feel like a lot of modern streaming prestige tv writers tend to identify more with traumatized people of privilege who are connected to power and less with characters who are underdogs trying to make the world a better place, and it leads to some kind of meandering stories.

[@steggyweggy]

The episode where they kill Translucent is so awesome because of how much creativity and effort goes into just killing a single supe. Now the only way they kill supes is with conveniently boring stuff like Temp V or a disease that kills supes.

[@spearofhope2]

@@steggyweggy for real! That was like the second episode, I felt like I got sold a bill of goods when they stopped doing that stuff! Absolutely in Surf Dracula territory as far as I'm concerned

[@ProjektTaku]

@@steggyweggy the first season made the Seven seem so powerful compared to the Boys. It took a whole episode to figure out how to kill their second weakest member, and the Boys' muscle, Kimiko, was absolutely thrashed by A-Train. Now the Boys can take on Firecracker head-on when she has help from another Supe and win pretty casually.

[@steggyweggy]

@@ProjektTaku they can even go head to head with Homelander twice and not suffer a single significant loss or injury

[@MrWingiii]

problem is when you don’t give them powers like the actual comic did the show is full of plot armor to protect the boys from supes who can crack them in half in 2 seconds…it hurts the show

[@dive107]

I'm hoping some of the Sage stuff might have been telegraphed by Hughie being the only person in the show so far to refer to her as the smartest 'person', instead of smartest woman. It's possible it's nothing, but it feels like that might have been a sign of her future.

[@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep]

I think it's just that Hughie is a superhero fanboy and deep down just a genuinely good dude who leaves his biases at the door.

[@thaesimir]

A-Train also referred to her as smartest person when Sage was brought up as a potential new member of the Seven

[@9_1.1]

@@thaesimir i think that was more because she probably annoyed him about it before rather than him being nice

[@vumasster]

we also need to pay attention to her, let's say, "mood swings" based on how she interacts with people

[@talonkeesy]

@@vumasster maybe sister sage will do something dumb during one of her lobotomy session

[@bobbydigital8056]

I love the show but one gripe I have is that they overuse blackmail as a way of getting out of sticky situations.

[@DatBoiGloomy]

When you think about it, these people care more about their reputation than anything else. Blackmail makes sense for these people but i see what you mean. They do use it alot.

[@benhawk4214]

Yeah like that one scene with Neumann and Butcher, she had every reason to kill him there, and she could easily get away with it

[@MrYarik04]

One of the complaints I have and don't see mentioned is just how many people are killed this season, I mean, just killed with no consequences at all. The fight of Kimiko and Hughie with that gang - it happened in a semi-public place, lots of blood and bodies, and no mention of that afterwards. Deaths in the hospital by Hughie's dad - no consequences (and it isn't like Vought was to cover it up, since it wasn't involved). Lots of deaths at Vought, high profile deaths, too, and it is just brushed off off-screen. There are just so many deaths a megacorporation would be able to cover up, especially if there is a federal agency on their ass, some of those MUST have consequences, but no. It feels meaningless, more like a rollercoaster than an actual series. We are just supposed to accept like yeah, this guy is dead now, this fight happened, that's it, next scene now. There is a big shitstorm from the fact that Starlight beat up Firecracker, but almost no mention of the fact that Butcher killed the multiplying guy at a public event

[@XOXFilmStudio]

They all work directly for the CIA I bet Hughie and the gang all have a body clean up government service on speed dial

[@autumnlover12358]

I agree. The only explanation I can think of is that since they're CIA employees under Mallory and are working to protect Robert Singer that they may be given immunity and have their messes cleaned up.

[@spand9043]

​@@autumnlover12358I think that's actually the shows explanation yeah

[@ThePower1000]

I hope the way Homelander’s story ends is him somehow being depowered and put into prison. Then he’ll have to live the rest of his life as a normal human, while also now The Boys have solved their biggest problem without murder.

[@Vomer0]

I love the concept, but feels like the ending will be mean spirited or bittersweet with the way things are going.

[@JKBDTS]

Then he drops the soap

[@Bfrd25]

Hughie and the rest of the team feel stuck in filler while Homelander and his son have their story focused

[@Randomaccount9470]

True the fact I'm more invested in Homelander is normal But honestly A-train Subplot is far more interesting than the main characters

[@tarantasaurus4177]

7:15 - Karl Urban has been in Lord of the Rings, Dredd, Thor Ragnarok...I doubt they didn't realize he was busy XD Also, the Hughie's dad stuff totally worked for me - if anything, I was pleasantly surprised they didn't go full on 'super zombie' like Lamplighter in the comics. Simon Pegg turned in an AMAZING performance in Ep. 5

[@zambeazy]

it’s just kind of insane to me that there’s only 3 episodes left. the one thing that concerns me is this is how i feel a lot of the time around this part in marvel shows. like, “there’s no way they wrap all this up in 3 more episodes.” i feel like, unfortunately, that feeling is often correct for the marvel shows, so i’m really nervous this show might end up feeling the same way

[@sathrielsatanson666]

I mean, they have another season so they do not need to wrap up everything.

[@zambeazy]

@@sathrielsatanson666 i was talking about the arcs of this season. it doesn’t feel like there’s enough time left this season to finish what has been started this season.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

@@zambeazy I was just saying that they might not want to finish all arcs this season.

[@dillydraws]

@@zambeazy Next season is the final so probably most arc will be unfinished and leave on a cliffhanger

[@zambeazy]

@@dillydraws that just feels like a very unsatisfying way to end a season. i understand the show is finishing next season and i know that not everything will be resolved, that’s how most serialized tv works. however, my original comment was in reference to a satisfying ending to this season. a lot of the marvel shows get to their halfway point and you can tell they’re not going to resolve everything. it sucks worse with those shows because you know you’re not getting a second season, but it’s still an unsatisfying season of tv regardless. if we finish this season of the boys and they’re just like “andddd come back next season for Most of the resolutions”, this season would feel incredibly unsatisfying, regardless of whether or not there’s more coming

[@fredskull1618]

I like that the show is taking more risks with each season. Any show that does that is still good imo, regardless of any nitpicking I can do with it.

[@paulbarclay4114]

its not taking risks its sacrificing itself to the mob of wokism its made itself irrelevant to most of its audience

[@kennywilkinson913]

That is fan boy talk.

[@fredskull1618]

@@kennywilkinson913 and you’re giving neckbeard talk, Mr. Wilkinson

[@yogandi8922]

@@fredskull1618 lmaoo got his ass

[@kennywilkinson913]

@@yogandi8922 pahahahahahaha, as the show goes woke, as do it fans pahahahahahaha, it seems frenchie isn't the only but hurt flamR around here 👀🤣

[@shilze1]

Feels like this season is mostly about families and parent-child relationships, and that ties back to Hughie's bit really nicely (and it also worked for me) but unfortunately that's not a theme that really fits for Kimiko or Frenchie so they have to feign commitment to their characters in the writing a little just to have something for them to do.

[@Scabloonshki]

I disagree, I think the season is mostly about the past coming back to haunt all the characters in some form. Homelander, Butcher, Starlight, Frenchie, they all seem to have that shared element. Works better for some and worse for others.

[@jonbodhi]

⁠@@Scabloonshkiwow! That’s REALLY good, and accurate.👍

[@saldicaterino8909]

They made 5 episodes and almost nothing has happened

[@johncliffalvarez6513]

I think Negan and Butcher’s Dead Wife are acting like the angel and the devil on Butcher’s shoulders. Negan in particular, I strongly feel is the manifestation of Butcher’s violent impulses that came out in order to spare Butcher of the burden of doing the tough choices.

[@DR.slzzzp]

negan lol

[@MrWingiii]

it’s the v in his blood

[@schizzo8959]

Who is Negan?

[@johncliffalvarez6513]

@@schizzo8959 Negan was a “brother in arms” that Butcher served with when in the military. They experienced the horrors of war together, and even committing horrendous things before returning to civilian life.

[@DR.slzzzp]

@@schizzo8959 jeffy dean morgan, his name is negan in the walking dead and everyone just refers to him as that which kinda sucks bc hes crazy talented prior

[@cherrycamaro3577]

I know Frenchie was bi since forever but it feels like their forcing the Colin plot by showing a lot gay sex, like we get it hes gay, everytime we see them on screen its always sexual, but with him and kimiko they barely had any intimacy and yet still created a great relationship. Theres no problem but like how am i supposed be emotionally invested when the characters are literally only physically invested into each other. Like maybe they could have shown how frenchie was using colin as an emotional support system for his grief of killing his family. But he just fucks and is like alr imma dip

[@jonbodhi]

I know you said he’s bi, but then you said he’s gay, and they aren’t the same thing. Frenchie isn’t gay, if he were, the whole Kimiko subplot wouldn’t have happened. I might sound nit-picky, but I think it’s an important distinction if you’re criticizing his relationship with a man vs one with a woman. Unless you were referring to Colin, in which case…never mind!! I’m okay with Frenchie and Kimiko’s relationship since it mirrors the one they had in the comics, which was one of my favorite elements of the story. Comics Frenchie and Kimiko (only known as The Female) are complete PSYCHOPATHS (for example, ‘Frenchie’ isn’t French; he doesn’t even SPEAK French!), but they had a warm, loving brother-sister relationship, each being the only human being the other can truly relate to. I was actually uncomfortable when they seemed headed for a romantic relationship and I’m glad it got squashed. But I don’t like the Colin subplot any more than you do. It’s a waste of screen time. It covers old ground with Frenchie’s issues, it’s a ridiculous coincidence that he’s in an NA group with the survivor of his family annihilation, and its INSANE that he would ever take up with the survivor. Then he gets sprung right after turning himself in, so what was the point?

[@cherrycamaro3577]

@@jonbodhi im not criticizing the fact that hes dating a man and its different from Kimiko bcz shes girl, im saying it was weird how they went about introducing and building the relationship between him and Colin, it felt rushed and especially cuz it felt like Kimiko was jealous and wasnt really fkn wit it, like imagine if it was girl instead, i think the fandom would be just as mad bcz i think they rooted for the ship, besides the homophobic comments.

[@jonbodhi]

@@cherrycamaro3577 no, I agree, the subplot has been pointless and poorly handled, but I believe Kimiko at one point actually ENCOURAGED the relationship, didn’t she?

[@masterzombie161]

I honestly was shocked how wrong people was about season 4. So far I’m loving almost everything in it. The only issue I have is with frenchie at the end of episode 5. I get why he’s doing what he’s doing, but honestly taking down Vought is enough to redeem anything he’s done. Apart from that I still really like this season so far.

[@melih626]

honestly i am liberal af but this season really feels like a circlejerk of the writers it's soooo boring. like yes we get it you don't like conservatives but really EVERY antagonist in this series is the most extreme conservative imaginable and every good guy is a die hard liberal. it's not clever writing at all

[@opalescence8219]

i agree the villains are the most extreme version of conservatives, but i’m not sure which good guys are diehard liberals. maybe starlight…maybe??

[@ChrlzMaraz]

Butcher gives me right-wing vibes though and he's kind of an anti-hero good guy, so there's that

[@spadezap9728]

Yeah, season 1, I thought the show was making fun of everything. Now it’s more explicit that it’s just the right side. You can tell especially with the abortion thing

[@jonbodhi]

@@opalescence8219Until recently, Annie was an evangelical Christian, and she was a decent person even then. I can’t imagine Butcher voting for ANY lefties! Victoria Neuman is a parody of AOC, a VERY left-wing politician. If the show seems unbalanced, note that the right-wing dialogue is taken DIRECTLY from real-world politicians and commentators.

[@exomake_mehorololo]

​@@jonbodhi yes that's why it IS Unbalanced. they chose to not use the real world unhinged, manipulative, dishonest and emotional messaging from the left media to create a very biased and dishonest caricature. The US has 2 sides with very loud, extreme voices that spread plenty of misinformation to the public. Fact checking does none of them any favours. The show does not provide any interesting or intelligent commentary because of that. It's tiring for people who don't want to hear about crappy politics and it's tiring for people who know how fake and dishonest their take on it is

[@joaquinwaters1810]

It’s the weakest season so far. But the fact that I’m saying that about a bold, hilarious, devastating, all-around great season of TV is proof of how outrageously good this show is

[@MrYarik04]

It is not a great season all-around, in my opinion. It is weak as is, not only in comparison to the other ones. Plot lines go nowhere, action is weird at times, events have no consequences, humor is hit or miss at best (and REALLY too much over the top in my opinion, I mean are the human sentipede and the BDSM scenes really necessary, was it THAT hilarious to watch a 20-min BDSM party?), plus the political satire has gone super one-sided, unlike season 2 for example. It is a bad season of television

[@dillydraws]

@@MrYarik04 I mean, be glad you didn't read Herogasm or any of the boys comics, it's full of that stuff. The reason why it was necessary was to lead to that end moment when Hughie finally says he not fine and misses his dad.

[@robbiedontmiss]

I still think season 1 outside of the first two episodes, was the weaket season. I feel like the end of season 3 was bulding up Neumann as the big bad but she doesnt feel like a big bad this season at all. Thats my main problem with this season

[@MrYarik04]

@@dillydraws that's the thing, from what I've seen, the comics are, well, bad. Full of unnecessary sexual stuff and senseless violence. Herogasm in the TV series didn't look out of place and it was pretty fun seeing it turn into a background for that cool ass fight. Here the gore and sex seems to be put in for the sake of it

[@JKBDTS]

I think I agree

[@Ryan-vi5mz]

“Haha! Firecracker is such a good parody of the Right” “How dare they criticize AOC” 😡

[@willster2967]

What does this mean? I don't recall any AOC criticisms?

[@ryan-xp9lc]

The writing for this season is all over the place. Doesn’t even feel like the boys anymore

[@zornstein_-9472]

too busy making fun of alt right they forgot to focus on what made the past seasons good...

[@hectorarredondo6929]

Nando Black Noir is being played but the same actor from before. Hs just playing a different character. Except on season 3 when black noir was unmasked it’s the same actor

[@JKBDTS]

Different actor*

[@hectorarredondo6929]

@@JKBDTS Nono know I meant that every time we see noir it’s the same actor EXCEPT for the unmasked scenes

[@JKBDTS]

@@hectorarredondo6929 Oh

[@tabsterg]

My read on sage is that she's just helping some key characters fastrack into what they've wanted or thought they wanted all this time and fuck them up when it's suddendly at their feet and they realize that's not the fulfilling answer theg were hoping for. She's like on accelerationist mode or something like that.

[@evanclp514]

the problem with the show is that the plot is the same every season. the boys want to kill homelander, they come up with a plan, the plan almost works, but then it fails at the end and homelander lives. repeat each season. like they can't kill off homelander so they have to keep cucking everyone until the series finale. it's like the same problem the walking dead had where you just end up going in circles because there's no endgame.

[@saisameer8771]

The entire show has become really repetitive. Like, people constantly talk about how amazing episode 4 is, but it's nothing new. We've seen "crazy homelander k1lls people" for like 500 times at this point. And it never goes anywhere. It's no different from the end of season 1 where homelander k1lls Madeline Stillwell and it's supposed to be very shocking but it doesn't change anything except Homelander getting cravings. The show has simply gone on for way too long and there's not enough material to last 5 whole seasons.

[@Swiftbeorn]

I think your disdain for them making the AOC stand-in a negative figure and love of Firecracker's obvious right-wing parody shows a bit of bias that affects your love of the show. Right-wing people have ALWAYS known the show made fun of them. Most shows do because all of Hollywood basically is leftist. They typically just don't care as much. They only care when its blatant and poorly done. This show pokes fun at the Left as well, and I'm actually not sure leftists get it. Its wonderful that Newman is an AOC-ish character BECAUSE she's a grifter just like a lot of leftist politicians. There are bad people on all sides of the political spectrum and this show embodies that.

[@tonybeltran4366]

short answer yes, I also don't get people saying it's gotten too political when it's been that way since the fucking beginning ffs, still is my favorite show

[@steggyweggy]

I personally feel like it’s lacked some nuance lately. I don’t mind having politics, but jeez man. Can they not have at least one positive character who is right-leaning? I’m a damn socialist and I feel like they’re doing too much

[@fredselvaggio1435]

It’s a little bit too on the nose sometimes for me

[@sathrielsatanson666]

​@@steggyweggyit never had nuance, it was always blunt as a hammer satire.

[@UniverseGamerLumi]

⁠@@steggyweggyit’s a bit annoying how much more politics seem to be involved in the main plot. The political side of the show has always been the weakest part of it for me, while the supe stuff was always my favorite. As a non US citizen the political aspect has no meaning to me and it’s just filler until it gets back to the good stuff

[@dillydraws]

@@steggyweggy Tbh... A lot of the stuff the right in the show does has been done by Real right wing people. I think "people can't be this full of hate?" Then boom I see it in most of the boys comment sections, ignoring that Frenchie is bi not gay and other things. I wish it would do more positive characters who are right leaning but when a lot of the right are full of hate nowadays, it's hard to see that being done.

[@Dunybrook]

Couldn't disagree more. Love all the characters having to face their pasts and I could watch Simon Pegg do anything for hours without complaint and he's totally killed it while killing several people. The show is its own thing but pretty much nobody was safe from being killed in the comics which is part of what makes it so good. No plot armor. Honestlly wouldn't mind if they toned down some of the grossness and know at least one person who stopped watching after the Termite explosion.

[@gapsule2326]

Nah you knew who wasnt going to die until the end.

[@ProjektTaku]

There was unbelievable plot armor in the comics. The Boys come out unscathed after killing every Supe, including that time they were about to be killed by all the G-Men teams, only for Vought ex machina to come in and kill them. The Boys only die at the very very end to Butcher, no Supe kills them.

[@jonbodhi]

@@ProjektTakuI didn’t consider it ‘plot armor’ because The Boys in the comics were ALL supes themselves. After Lamplighter kills peope who wasn’t supposed to kill, The Boys and The Seven make a pact to steer clear of each other, because direct confrontation would result in Mutually Assured Destruction. If The Boys could back down the Seven, their survival made sense.

[@ProjektTaku]

@@jonbodhi that itself is plot armor. Giving all The Boys V means they're in basically no threat for the entire series, especially since the Seven apparently can't do anything to them, but The Boys can kill Seven members like Jack The Jupiter and A-Train with no repercussions? The whole Seven-Boys agreement is total crap, and the Boys can also apparently just beat Stormfront, who's nearly as strong as Homelander and can control electricity, to death with their fists and kicks.

[@hermanbertel8517]

I feel like the biggest problem is that there is to many subplots, and since there’s so many, some are obviously not going to hit as much. Basically every character have their own subplots, and it makes the narrative less focused and sharp, especially compared to last season. There so much stuff that happens that just feels like fluff, instead of just focusing on a main storyline, which is way more compelling.

[@JayEm1325]

The show makes no sense now. Explain to me why hasnt Homelander just killed the Boys already? He already tried lasering Hughie, did he just... forget about him? Whatever was stopping him CLEARLY isnt anymore so..? They really fucked up in season 3 by having that showdown that amounted to nothing. That should have been THE fight, if they didnt want to end it there then just dont have the fight.

[@Stevenwinrar]

I think the show has a theme of "the monsters we make" Hughie was good and innocent, until A-train carelessly killed his gf and he decided to become a supe-killer. All supers, including homelander, are products of their environments and wish they had freedom to be their true selves. Butcher decided to turn himself into a monster to take down another monster, both literal and metaphorical. The whole entire plot of homelander's story and ryans fate is this focus. People will say homelander is the biggest monster in The Boys. And they wouldnt be wrong in many ways. but there was a bigger monster, much older and cunning, that was the one who broke and hurt homelander more than any weapon ever could. Humanity. Humanity was, is, and will be.. a bigger monster than homelander. And by that extension, homelander isnt the problem. but a symptom. And unless they break the cycle(ryans big theme) the cycle will repeat. No time in this show, with supe, temp-v, or anything has good outcomes due to the creation of a "monster" Because you cannot destroy the monsters you create, as we often lose control to do so, you can only fix it. or let it destroy you.

[@BonsaiM]

It's a show, bro. Philosophy is in the next room to your right.

[@marlom7882]

The Boys comics are NOT a product of their time. It’s just bad

[@sathrielsatanson666]

They are a product of Ennis' hate for the superhero genre and all the worse for it.

[@trentonmattews123]

The actor for MM also loss a lot of weight in between filming and that’s also a reason he looks totatly diffrent

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Yes but it's mainly the moustache, I am not vibing with new look

[@C0micfan]

Splitter is Chuck from Supernatural. Dudes really look different without their beards.

[@Basstyle1]

OMG, I didn’t even know that Chuck. God really fell from grace lmao

[@saberhap2639]

@@Basstyle1 That jewish director. Very insulting what he did.

[@Alkeeros]

​@@saberhap2639 ??? What are you on about? The previous comments were about the guy named Splitter. You're thinking of is apparently named "Adam Bourke" and is a different character

[@saberhap2639]

@@Alkeeros The actor who played splitter, played god in supernatural.

[@enriqueramirez2554]

I think Hughie’s plot line is leading to him becoming more independent? or at the very least more able to deal with stuff on his own. So i’m looking forward to that cuz im tired of him always having to rely on someone else showing up and saving him or just getting lucky. Both Kimiko’s and Frenchie’s plotline feel pretty similar and for frenchie it feels very repetitive. I just hope that we don’t have to deal with the same kind of plot in future seasons. Starlight’s plotline feels incredibly forced. The reveal of her and Hughie getting an abortion didn’t feel impactful. That’s because we never got to see how they came to that decision and the way they felt about it. Not only that but the whole reason behind her beef with firecracker feels out of character. Maybe i got the wrong impression but they made Starlight out to be a goody two shoes ever since she was a kid. So for her to spread a rumor such as the one she spread about Firecracker didn’t feel believable to me.

[@Randomaccount9470]

Honestly asides Butcher The Villains are far more interesting subplot wise than the main characters

[@mr.t107]

The only character i really care about is Homelander and butcher tbh. the other story lines aren't really captivating anymore.

[@cybercancer3282]

I personally love the Frenchie Arc, he’s trying to atone for his sins. Finding out that it’s very hard to atone, and that even love can’t forgive some sins. That sometimes you must choose to suffer for the chance for redemption.

[@austintufnell7529]

19:20 wait you don’t think politicians who act genuine but are secretly monsters is a believable enough? Bro that’s politics

[@JohnnyCenter25]

I think The Boys aspect has the potential to be the most interesting part of the show. I like the idea of non powered humans trying to take down supes by outsmarting them or exploiting their over confidence. Of course they would have to do a lot of imoral stuff to get the upper hand as trying to play fair against supes that could instantly annihilate all of them would probably end in disaster. I feel like Season 1 started out great with this concept of The Boys taking down Translucent. Season 3 did some interesting stuff (and this might sound hypocritical) by giving themselves superpowers to keep up. The reason I'm not against it is because a) it's temporary and b) it kills them with use so it's obviously this tiny little risky edge that they can only pull out when absolute necessary. I also liked Soldier Boy. The idea of manipulating supes to fight each other is something The Boys should explore more often. Not talking about recruiting them like Starlight or Maeve, but taking mad and bad supes and force a fight between them perhaps arranging it in a way that they would have to give the weaker mad bad supe an advantage in the hopes that the resulting fight kills them both. When Season 4 started with The Boys intercepting the event to try and kill Neuman by swapping out her perfume(?) with acid I thought "Hell yeah, we're back". Unfortunately that felt like the only time so far in this season where The Boys did something like that. They're all split apart and it doesn't seem like they have a plan for the future. The Starlight stuff could be interesting if The Boys ever intended to do something with the influence they had. Exposing Firecracker seemed more like a quick retaliation and a way to show "Butcher still got it" rather than a step in overarching scheme. Finally they find out about the virus (over halfway into the season) and in the same episode they discover it they remove the virus. I know it's coming back, but for now it's just Butcher working on replicating it so I'm not counting it as scheme for The Boys. What is the plan for The Boys? What are they doing this season? They have no goal and it's making them seem incompetent as well as making the other supes like Homelander and Neuman less threatening that they just haven't killed them yet. The virus should have been discovered in the first episode, they should have spent time debating whether or not it's right for them to use, they should have had to come up with a plan to get the virus back from Neuman and we the viewers should have been part of that process. Maybe a part of that plan hinged on Starlight and her influence only for it to be ruined by Sage. Would have made it more impacful and established Sage as a bigger threat. I still enjoy a lot of parts of this season, but this is the one aspect I'm very disappointed in so far.

[@sathrielsatanson666]

Yes, the Boys have no good plan, one of them even says so in episode 6. And that is the point: season 4 is the Boys being undermined by their past and bad choices catching up to them: Starlight exposed by Firecracker, Butcher slowly dying because of Temp V, Frenchie haunted by his assassin past and so on.

[@MrWingiii]

it’s because the boys need powers like the comic had..other wise the story has to be expertly written to avoid obvious plot armor to save them ..

[@jonbodhi]

@@MrWingiiiit’s long past time for them to power-up. In the comics, The Boys had a TRUCE with the Seven, to avoid Mutually Assured Destruction.

[@agarnes100]

Saying you like the weird s** stuff after episode 5 is so funny considering what happened in episode 6

[@hipporuster]

I’m interested in if Hugh Sr could have killed Homelander with that power, seemed like he displaced everything and anything so I don’t know why it wouldn’t work on Homelander!

[@jondot.fullstop]

yeah probably that could’ve happened if hugh sr was in the right headspace and could control his powers a but better

[@jonbodhi]

LOTS of supe powers don’t work on HL. Victoria Neuman can’t pop his head, Black Noir, who owned almost everyone he went up against, died immediately to HL. on the other hand, someone who has control over that power could at least TRY to kill him, and if it doesn’t work, just STAY intangible.

[@nealevans8647]

Now THAT would have been an interesting, surprisingly random way to end the series.

[@sergeantsapient]

Laz Alonzo didn't just shave. He looked slimmed down from previous seasons. More power to him. He looks great. He just looked very different.

[@pickleshall02]

Ironic you take issue with an AOC parody but “love” what they’re doing with firecracker lmao smells like bias in here

[@DD-zh4by]

Show is spinning its wheels again trying to get to the finale so they can deliver the "gut punch". The seasons should be 6 episodes a pop and better paced. The show is being milked and the story suffers for it.

[@JohnGarrettHudson]

Wonder if the show writers decided doing their take on “Man of Steel, Woman of Cleanex” was low hanging fruit and redundant of Termite’s calamity?

[@damann6470]

I think it should've been a 3-season show with a bigger bang at the end

[@SoggyBagelz]

Nah blaming the bad writing on scheduling is simply cope

[@Phosfit]

Season 5 of Peaky Blinders was sucky to me cuz the main character got chill and PEACEFUL which is not who he is. I didn’t finish that season. Homelander is experiencing the boredom emotion but he’s still him. It’s evolving.

[@paulschneller9766]

The worst the boys season would probably still be one of the best tv show seasons this year anyway.

[@Jacobsherman341]

Second behind invincible

[@pizzadogma]

Please watch more TV

[@Random-th7wm]

The mother's milk actor also lost a good amount of weight along with cutting the beard, really not that absurd for people to recognize that he looks significantly different...

[@jonbodhi]

I literally wondered if he was a different actor, he looked SO different!

[@my2randomcents]

It feels a tad meandering tbh But I do think it's feeling that way because when they filmed this they still were set on the"we'll do as many seasons as we can" so they stretched the plots thin. Hopefully S5 being the last is filmed in a tight closed way. Also I have the slightest suspicion that after S5 they are gonna do a Soldier Boy antihero spin off and that's why he's just alive and stored

[@dillydraws]

I mean they are running out of comic material .

[@TheAndSlem]

Timing might not have been great on Hughie's story, but I dig using V on the facing death challenge and it's a way to use simon peggs amazing talent in a small easy to shoot scene

[@PunkassErnie]

Jack Quaids acting has been phenomenal this season.

[@gentahodo2690]

It started off a bit slow, but it got really good. Still a good The Boys season. Now, even the craziest of shows doesn't hit the same after 4 seasons, but The Boys is keeping up very well IMO. I actually enjoy it.

[@isaacssjblue8403]

I just started watching the boys from season 1 and personally I think season 3 is the best the whole hugue and butcher relationship is amazing almost made me tear up

[@Evoker23-lx8mb]

Weakest season so far but it’s still great to me.

[@gladteer873]

If sage bliws up, would only her brain regenerates, and there's just a brain left

[@vincenta8652]

Season 4 feels like it’s really stretching things out. All the side plot lines feel like they can out of nowhere Frnechie going through the exact same storyline but with someone we never met or heard of before Starlight reeling over something she said way back when that we never knew about before Kimiko upset over someone we never heard of or met before The aftermath of Huggies dads rampage will just be glossed Over most likely Sage comes off more like clever than a genius. It all feels really lazy The revelation with butcher was that bivouac from the first episode. It was as bad as the “revelation” in Dexter when the villain of season 6 was hallucinating a partner. The tek knight thing felt edgy for the sake of it. Would have loved to see him play a more serious role in the takeover.

[@jonbodhi]

I slightly disagree. I think Starlight and Kimiko’s storylines are natural outgrowths of what we know about their pasts (though pageants and terrorist groups are slightly different!). Both are facing people with very valid reasons to hate them, and in Starlight’s case, we learn new (unflattering) information about the person she used to be (although Firecracker revealing AN ABORTION was WAY over the line (and apparently, The Boys universe has no HIPPA laws, since that would be SUPER illegal in our world!) You’re right that Hughie faced no consequences for his dad’s rampage, but I think we got some insight into his character. That his father would rather give power-of-attorney to his estranged wife than his son because Hughie can’t let go shows some emotional scars. Another poster pointed out the wish-fulfillment aspect of his plotline: what would you do if there was a chance to save a dying loved one? The worst that they expected to happen was that Hugh would die anyone, not become a murder-machine. It was a real ‘Monkey’s Paw’ outcome. But Frenchie’s storyline was A: trash, and B: pointless when Butcher gets him out two episodes later.

[@spand9043]

Yeah for me everything this season is amazing except Frenchie's suplot. I still like the character himself but I don't want to spend screen time alone with him at all, the Colin stuff was so weak

[@xerxes5785]

I agree with you that Season 4 is working, I also agree with you that Frenchie and Kimiko plot is not as interesting and that’s been the problem almost every season now but I disagree with almost every single thing that you think is not working. I think Hughie plot with his Dad was one of the highlights of this season and the acting by Simon Pegg was phenomenal. One of the things about Hughie which was mentioned in the previous seasons was how clingy he is in his life, how he holds on to people, but this was never resolved in the previous seasons. But the writers did an amazing job with his dad and him not only having to let him go but he had to be the one to make that difficult choice, it was a huge character growth for Hughie. Now the Butcher plot. You said you didn’t like the fact that he was by himself this season and Jeffrey Dean Morgan also wasn’t working because he didn’t do anything that Butcher himself couldn’t have done. Well after seeing episode 6, that was kinda of the point, and he did his role as a Negan like character perfectly. Also Butcher being by himself is really important this season, because this is his journey into Darkness without anybody around him but his own devil. I got the impression that you prefer comedy more than serious and grit storytelling which is why you enjoyed Deep and Noir plots compare to other characters.

[@johnnycornflakes8143]

For me, it's like Game of Thrones. I just want to see how it ends hopefully with a dead homelander.

[@tofuontoast45]

Something else I've noticed is that there seems to be a lot of red shirts this season. Both in the latest episode and the first episode there were two random unnamed characters accompanying our heroes who seemed to only be there to die. I feel like this sometimes makes the stakes feel a little low, but i'm hoping that starts to change soon and named characters start dying again instead of generic man in suit number 2.

[@BENgalFan1369]

Omg I was waiting for somebody else to say something bc this annoyed the piss out of me

[@eeg-rh7jv]

The boys is one of these shows that try to portray themselves as intense but the writers don't actually want to kill main character so as an attempt to make up for it they just either kill a bunch of red shirts or a season only character like Stormfront. And honestly im getting tired of it, it waste CGI money without bringing anything to the show in itself.

[@featherguardian6023]

I do love Season 4 so Far and I don’t care what anyone says, this and MAWS is much better than the Acolyte.

[@stevencooper564]

MAWS is absolutely phenomenal! I'm in the boat of "never really cared about Superman" but holy hell, that show is so good and has such a strong world-feel.

[@jermyg9180]

I don’t think “_______ is better than Acolyte” is a very controversial statement right now. Not saying it’s great but that show is getting dogpiled like crazy for no reason.

[@fredskull1618]

@@jermyg9180I agree 100%. I’d say The Acolyte has just as much fun stuff as there is boring stuff. It’s no better or worse than Kenobi imo.

[@maskedman5657]

Why would anyone think being better than Acolyte is somehow a Flex? 😂

[@jasonmarbach]

Well, MAWS is better than the acolyte, at least. But MAWS is one of the best shows on all of tv, so that makes sense.

[@karmarama9567]

The only episode I have genuinely enjoyed was the one where homelander confronted his past. The rest have been terrible.

[@PostMahone]

I kinda do feel like the politics are a little to on the nose this season. Although it makes sense to lean into it given how well the end of the comics mirrors reality. One moment of political commentary that I really liked a few seasons ago was when they went to Russia and theres a poster of Maeve depicted as Kronos devouring his son. For some reason I found that tiny detail really impactful

[@jonbodhi]

On one hand, it’s DEFINITELY on the nose, but they’re pulling quotes DIRECTLY from real-world right-wing politicians and commentators.

[@dianapurple5678]

ima need an update on this list post-6th episode coz it really put my mind at ease like "oh yeah these writers are brilliant and knew what they were doing this season", very excited for what's to come in the last couple eps of the season and the final season next time round!

[@sovtay]

same! i think many of the things he was unsure about were given more depth in ep6

[@AliRizwanMasood]

Hot Take, Hughies plotline with his Dad will hit harder in retrospect if the end the show the same way that the comics did. Still too early to tell but his is the only one that makes sense given where the show is going and the source material

[@jamieminnell7316]

kate not having interesting powers is a hellova take

[@tylerwhite4557]

bruh I just clicked on the vid and my immediate reaction is you look like Tech Knight lol

[@VenomSneakkk]

ngl this whole video just seems like Works: I like not understanding the point of the show Not working: When characters have depth and face their traumas and flaws

[@kevinzamora6555]

I feel like we need to allow the show to actually finish the season before judging it.

[@Basstyle1]

God, this video is a fucking breath of fresh air. An actual video that not only looks at the bad but also the good as well.

[@maskedman5657]

I still like Season 4 its just alot of the subplots are very boring to me. I dont care about Kimikos backstory, frenchies, or The little fued between starlight and firecracker.

[@darealsooski]

I just think they needed more time to develop, which they got in episode 6-8. I do stand that the show meanders with its subplots in the first half of the season, but I cant get behind the idea that the show suddenly turned from gold to trash in 4 episodes like people are harking just because of a few bumps along the ride.

[@ShirDeutch]

I also subconsciously guessed the twist but hand-waved it by thinking it's just a redundancy that these characters are too much alike.

[@Thedarkknight2244]

My opinion is, from everything I’ve seen, they could’ve squashed the season into 4 episodes. And it’s not as well directed. Eg SPOILER when homelander chased Hugie in the stadium, it wasn’t very tense or believable as it would’ve felt in the first season. There were lots of moments that could have been fleshed out set pieces but instead they felt like they just wanted to get that out the way to get to the next plot beat. And he’s right that frenchie’s story is not working

[@Dragonwolfworm]

The Boys should have ended with Season 3. It's focus on alt-right politics is so painful as it is more over the top than ever. Yeah it's never been subtle but damn, it's even more blatant. It's like the writers wanted to lean more into that because of election season. It doesn't feel as fresh as it did in seasons 1 and 2. In those seasons, it went after everyone. Character wise, the only two people that are moving the plot along are Homelander and Butcher. The Deep is funny as always too.

[@user-pj6ch6cc4d]

I think the focus on politics is great and hilarious, really puts up a mirror to Trump supporting fools in our real world.

[@zornstein_-9472]

so you didnt watch the debate and immediately regret voting blue?

[@spand9043]

I feel like the show hasn't changed its stance on politics because of election season, but people are more sensitive to it now instead (which is understandable)

[@darealsooski]

Its incredible to me how people have only just realized that the series was a mirror to extremist right wing politics from, like, season 2- they're only mad about it NOW because the cast of (as always) rightist antagonists has expanded. I do have issues with how the show handles politics, mostly with how it portrays the public perception of politics as what REALLY happens beneath the works (because it never is), but I'm convinced I am not watching the same show as half of the people clowning on this show for its political stance. Its like the nuance of protagonist vs. "hero" goes straight over people's heads- we are BOMBARDED with the past wrongdoings of the Boys over the course of the season (particularly Starlight, who EMBODIES the left wing representation of the show), and the corruption of Vought and Homelander's new world is a matter of dictatorship which could be expressed with both extremes of left and right politics. As Vought and Homelander are expressly right-wing, they create a right-wing DICTATORSHIP, which is what the show is explicitly opposing.

[@exomake_mehorololo]

Maybe it's just done so over the top it gets boring and preachy for people that don't care for the political opinions of the show writers and actually want to watch an interesting show w good plot. And it is a big difference to criticise largely past politics which they did in earlier seasons than to try and function as an extremely loud and obnoxious retelling of very recent events dispersed w R rated horror. It's not funny, it's not clever and it's getting old and tired. And it will be impossible to watch this show in some years time looking back at the cringy hysterics people mistook for critical thoughts @@darealsooski

[@Michael.Miles1]

It's not good..... It's freaking GREAT! The only people complaining are the ones finally realizing after 3+ seasons that the writers have been making them the butt of all the jokes the entire time..... ✌🏾✌🏾

[@saberhap2639]

no, that's a lie. They're making fun of one side more than the other now.

[@Number-id3dd]

@@saberhap2639 It's always been like that

[@9_1.1]

@@saberhap2639 right because the blonde hair blue eyed mega patriot who dated a nazi was definitely targeted at both sides. not to mention the literal tucker carlson character, and vought news being fox news.

[@saberhap2639]

@@Number-id3dd no sir, they'd make fun of the lgbt grifting and diversity hires. Now there's none of that in season 4.

[@bread6235]

this season hasn't been as good as others and so far is easily the weakest season. i've yet to see anyone criticize this season over the politics, ive only seen people like you mentioning it lol. this season has bad pacing, boring subplots, and has felt all over the place up until recently. the first half of the season felt like filler.

[@beaconofwierd1883]

I’m still not sure if they have actually written Sage to be smart or just dumbed down other characters. Starlight loosing it and going on a rampage felt a bit off, but not completely impossible. But when the followed it up with Firecracker being angry with sage for ”Setting her up” that was just dumb, they are trying to maje sage look smart by making other characters complete idiots, which is just bad writing. Like what did Firecracker think the goal was with setting up a stage outIde of Starlights place and yelling insults all day if not to provoke a response? She was clearly trying to provoke her, but when she succeeds she blanes Sage for ”Setting her up”? Wtf, that just made no sense. Personally I’d say just don’t ever do smart characters unless you actually have the budget to make a smart character. 99% of wroters just cheat by having the character simply know the future, or make other characters extremely dumb and easily manipulated. Rarely if ever have I seen a character that actually just outsmarts their oponents, it always devolve to a ”Ah, but I anticipated the anticipation of your anticipation that you anticipated and now I win!” Anyone know of an actually smart character in a show that’s not a fortune teller or surounded by idiots?

[@tabsterg]

I think its up to a fairly rough and messy start, but all seasons pick their pace up in the last copule of episodes and I think it's more of a problem with the setups and it'll probably be just as good as the last ones by the last 2 or 3 episodes

[@michaelsoper98]

“Be prepared for this when you shave your beard” lmao the fuck? He lost like 30-60 pounds. But sure it’s the fact he shaved 💀

[@benhawk4214]

Alright he definitely didn't lose 60 pounds or he'd be stick thin, it's more like 25