Belt 3D Printers FINALLY Catch Up!

[@thenextlayer]

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[@HDV_55]

No thanks filthy Zionist.

[@Sembazuru]

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[@TECHFLIGHT-757]

Yeah! you hit 150K. love the vids

[@teriyakipuppy]

Congrats

[@williamsteele]

A few things of note. 1) When I invented the first belt printer, I used a modified Makerbot Replicator chassis, so the X/Y axis were at the top, and the belt became the Z which was tilted at a 45 degree angle. Later, we developed the flat belt, but maintained the relationship with the gantry, which had it tilted at 45 degrees. The legacy of that was that the Z axis became the flat belt since that's how I developed the software. And 2) You can also use Cura (Blackbelt Edition) since they integrated my "tilted belt post processor" into it. What I developed can be used with any slicer. 3) As for your leading edge, I always used the purge line at the start of the print so that wasn't an issue, similar to your idea of using a brim.

[@ny-lights]

@@williamsteele @thenextlayer you should pin this!

[@fitchaj]

What a boss

[@jenspetersen5865]

For functional prototype engineering parts for machines that have to hold linearity and tight tolerances (similar to Bambulab X1C), but I really need 600 mm on one dimension. Are belt printers pipe dreams for that, as I have never seen anything else than play things printed on these, or are they an option?

[@chartle1]

@@jenspetersen5865 I call them Sword Printers. Cause you know you're going to print one. ;)

[@RobMink]

Bill, you are very much underhyped person in the 3dp field that has moved us so far forward. Without your help, Belt printers, Polar Printers, and even the Bambu AMS would not be where it is today. I look forward to seeing you at MRRF!

[@GodardScientific]

Petition to rename this style of printer as Treadmill Printers

[@thenextlayer]

+1

[@jckf]

@@GodardScientific No, they are printeeeeeeeeeeers

[@Verbosal]

@@jckf haha treadmill go brrrrrr

[@rikogarza1729]

K2 plus (poop) its actually out now though

[@mrburns366]

Printmill? Tread printer?

[@robonator2945]

I think one big issue holding back belt printers is that they're trying to do infinitely long prints. I think most consumers would kill for a "belt printer" that has a flat, normally oriented design, that takes no special considerations, and just ejects items off of the side of the belt. So it has a fixed, finite build volume, but it can turn the belt over to start a brand new print and eject the old one out the front. Then you can get the queued printing that you describe here, with even a heated chamber, heated bed, etc. I recall a mod for I think it was the bambu A1 or something that was a multi-build plate mod that would essentially let you do this by literally having multiple build plates that, through mechanical linkages, could be ejected and replaced by moving the print head in certain ways. As it stands very few people actually need infinitely long prints, and the extra challenges a 45 degree tilted head bring really don't seem worth it just to get that. If you made a belt printer with the goal of "it can automatically peel off it's prints when it's done and has an internal print-queue" then you'd be able to dodge most of the challenges associated with belt printers while keeping the feature 99% of people will actually care about.

[@Crenzill]

@robonator2945 I believe there's an ender 3 mod that does just this. I also think (forgive me if I'm wrong) Teaching Tech made a delta with a belt bed for the same reason.

[@ThantiK]

Unfortunately, Makerbot (and thus, Stratasys now) has a patent on the thing you want, so can't be commercially made. It's the angle of the overhead gantry that alters the design JUST enough that it's unique and can be used in the way it's being used.

[@robonator2945]

​@@ThantiK ah yes, I forgot that the government has arrived and it's here to help!

[@substratum3d]

There's at least one mod for a v2.4 that does this.

[@MarcoTedaldi]

​@@robonator2945 that's IP-Roghts (Monopoly rights for ideas) mixed with capitalism. Worst of both worlds...

[@GeekDetour]

10:43 "A very LARGE Multi-Color Printer that Poops"... Would you be testing the same thing I am testing?? Shuushhh! 🤫🤣

[@thenextlayer]

Is it from China? 🤣 If so then yes.

[@tomaszkarwik6357]

​@@thenextlayershhh you don't want to make THAT mistake, XD

[@WouterZtube]

Bambu?

[@kenny9762]

@@WouterZtube of corse its bambu

[@MrMistyEyes]

@@kenny9762 creality is from China too right? K2?

[@rendez2k]

Happy to see a new competitor to the CR-30! I always wondered if that was the end of consumer grade belt printers

[@LA-Lam888]

A powerful conveyor belt 3D printer

[@AirsoftAbominations]

as a 2 year owner of a creality CR30, it doesnt seem like Im missing much for an "up to date" machine, I like the idea of the spring steel belt but honestly my cr30 belt is fine, the cr30 construction seems a bit nicer with the vertical cross brace, thogh the linear rails are a cice addition im not sure about the rod use on the horizontal axis, doesnt seem like an upgrade. klipper is cool out the box but I generally think octoprint is better for belt printers for one reason: continous print queue plugin. this lets you schedule prints at any time to continue after the current one and even print duplicates or batches (say you need a full spool of small parts but need the same number of 3 different objects, you can have it print 123123123 instead of 111111111222222222333333333. honestly the best feature of belt printers is auto ejection. just load it all up at once and then off it goes

[@definitelynotthefbi725]

Looks promising! Can't wait to get an unsponsored look at this when it comes out!.

[@Nevio_024]

At 3:42 it looked like the print in the background has come loose, but it was just the bottom of the printhead. 😆😆 But really to cool to see that there are newer belt printers. The Creality one always seemed to be a struggle.

[@floatypiet]

150.000 already🎉 Great video and congratulations!!!

[@oljobo]

I am so happy you were so honest at the end of the video 👍

[@my7hik]

Another fantastic video. I’ve been seeing the sneak peaks of this for the last month or so, very cool to finally get a “not a review”.

[@RealSnail3D]

“If you’ve been around here for a while, I don’t like to waste filament to print silly stuff just because” *next cut has Plumbus behind you* 😅

[@thenextlayer]

Everyone needs a plumbus.

[@RealSnail3D]

@@thenextlayer lolol

[@dan-nutu]

What's a plum bus? 😊

[@sergeyirbis]

I confirm))) The quality is really surprisingly good. When I tested the cr-30, I couldn't achieve even close to this quality on it.

[@kesor6]

You probably can support those "thin wall" objects by tilting them at 45deg to the bed and adding support material to keep them at that orientation.

[@thenextlayer]

Good point.

[@limbeboy7]

I think this printer was meant for things longer than the build plate. If u want to print a vase object just use others. It'll be faster too

[@zerker2000]

yeah I'd say "true Z" is orthogonal to the gantry / through the layer lines, and you'd want to orient overhangs and layer adhesion the same way where on a normal printer "through the layers" is "up". And then the z-axis motors move the belt at an offset z for the purpose of changing your true z but in the process offset the gantry(and thus printhead) in y relative to the origin of the print, kind of how in coreXY one motor moves everything diagonally.

[@TeoHarlan]

really cool, definitely seems like an improvement on the CR-30. I like how you showed the sequential printing but I would have liked to see a really long model printed along the "infinite axis".

[@MattManuel]

Nice video. I hadn’t seen an explanation of a belt printer before. Looking forward to you printing a full HSW panel.

[@Anonimus217]

Good ending!❤ I love your work! I wish you all good!

[@GenX3Dprints]

This would make giant Cinderwing dragons!

[@bryanjessdenio1292]

I can't wait for the k2 reveal!!

[@thenextlayer]

It’s gonna be LIT

[@theangryotaku3361]

one thing to keep in mind when printing on a machine like this is that your view of the part, when dealing with stuff like overhangs and support placement, should be from the POV of the nozzle, not the bed. the only thing limiting what can and cannot be printed is cooling speed and what is supporting the plastic as it's cooling. that's why, even though it's printing in midair at 0° relative to bed, from the nozzle's POV it's printing at a nice 45° without a care in the world and doesn't need any supports at all

[@gurtelem3586]

Two video requests: 1. Opinion video about the upcoming Prusa Core One (I'm assuming you can't get a sample unit yet) 2. Coverage of the Prusa XL? Maybe explain why the base price is sooooo high? (with a single extruder)

[@logicalfundy]

Interesting. Although you mentioned the wall looked cluttered with the connectors... You did print them orange 🤷‍♂️ But having PEI on a belt and having all of the improvements of modern printers - looks very promising!

[@vidchan1431]

53h without an Filamenterror.... you`r #1

[@Joyntie]

as someone who has owned a cr30 for a long time, i can tell you, using it for the hoenycombs in loooooong, its awesome^

[@PrintingPress3D]

this video has made me very excited for the baby belt pro kit ive ordered from fabreeko :D

[@RobMink]

Thanks!

[@stray534]

A multicolor belt printer is my fantasy. would make me alot of money.

[@christhorney]

I'd say knowing the axis is very important so you can orientate your print the way you want with the layer lines, like if your putting screws or something into it you don't really want to screw into the same axis as the layer lines. I only really print functional stuff I never print trinket things

[@andyspoo2]

One of the advantages of these printers is the mass production of parts where you just drop the models in to a box. No mention of price I see.

[@clipso9061]

cant wait to install this on my v1

[@andyspoo2]

I have used ideaMaker for some of my printers for years. My biggest gripe with it is the lack of tree supports.

[@michaelramos4482]

Looks like it's not available for preorder until the 25th. With early bird pricing it's really not that bad, looks like full price when it's released will be around 1000$

[@thenextlayer]

Correct! But you can have them notify you when it goes live. Not sure why the brand wanted the video out so far before the launch date, though

[@krollmond7544]

25th of this month?

[@michaelramos4482]

@@krollmond7544 yes sir!

[@kenyajobs1069]

@@krollmond7544 Yup, started already. 18 places for 499$ left for now.

[@ThingsYouMightLike]

Would love to see closeups of the build plate texture on the printer and how it compares to the bambu textured buildplate.

[@trotskiftw]

A lot of the challenges you experienced could be overcame with just using supports to orient the print at a 45 degree angle relative to the bed, so that its square with the print axis. Sure you waste material supporting the bottom of the print whilst it builds up to the actual print, but it lets the objects print in a more "normal" way whilst being able to print infinite small parts.

[@riceball4u172]

I have one, ir3 v2 older version. Main problems with this printer is layer shifting, it's either hit or miss, lots of peopl3 including myself have it and unable to resolve it even with manufacturers support. If you planned to buy one, make sure you return it before the return period expired even if manufacture helping you, or else it will be a costly paper weight. Which i got screwed over like that. Oh i also have Rostock delta printer, a few bed slinger,

[@RobMink]

You can make a polar printer, a tool changing belt printer, a convertable Core XY with auto eject to belt printer, a tool changing delta printer, a polar printer with auto ejection and many other very fun and interesting kinimatics besides just a delta!

[@ifell3]

Ideamaker used to be great. Since the new update, I've changed to Orca but the support removal on Ideamaker is so nice I've always wondered why people hated removing it. I see on the latest update they have removed the hotkey shortcut hint next to the icon, Which I did send a request for.

[@symenbrug1992]

It would be nice to see a benchy printed that is oriënted in such a way that the layers are the same as on a normal printer, if that makes sense

[@shadir007]

I’ve been following you since you got started and I think I’ve only contributed a couple times here and there. During the pandemic for sure, but I have been waiting for you to try two types of printers to hear your opinion. This episode and your delta episode solidified my decision to subscribe fully to your Patreon. You’re the only KZbinr that explains on a level I feel everyone can understand. No dis to the others. I love other 3D channels too, but each time I saw them reviewing a printer or making/modding a printer, I would wait for your opinion before jumping in and researching them. The only two I didn’t do that for were a belt and delta. When I got them, I then was just waiting to see if you would ever try one to see if you found the same pros and cons. Long and behold here we are. I was so bummed you had to cut this one short, but I get it. Please promise us a follow up when you’ve had more time with that printer. I’ve been super curious about the honeycomb wall as I too am building one in our pantry under our stairs. I used the scad file on printables to make some 50° angled HWS parts. 🙏🏾🥹🙏🏾

[@Marksetter]

could you take the colour changer from the k2 or the bambu labs colour box and connect it to a conveyor printer, for either a shit ton of repeat items, or multicolour long prints... thats what would interest me

[@rtxagent6303]

18:00 the cut to the next scene gave me a heart attack.

[@bartoszpasternak7029]

I hope that big, multicolor printer is K2 combo :3

[@Hosteggy]

Love my qqs pro modified on klipper using a dragon v2 highflow hotend.

[@westleyleonstudios]

Video Idea - having farm of these make boards and construct a deck with it. I had this idea like two weeks ago and would love to see it.

[@spinningsteel4624]

So here's a crazy idea. I have very little experience and only on the ender 3 but this idea beside a bed slinger begs the question could a printer be made that could tilt is Gantry and head and use a longer belt as the bed slinger? It would keep all the features without any of the constraints of angled printing and in some obscure cases would be able to switch mid-print for some reason that I'm sure someone would make useful. It definitely would be a very complex printer but please someone let me know if this is just crazy or if it would be a viable idea.

[@dropbear9785]

K2 Plus Combo test? From memory it weighs WAAAAAY more than the belt printer.

[@FranklyWry]

So you can’t do supports with this printer’s slicer?

[@Megamannen]

How can you miss the IdeaForm IdeaMaker connection

[@Thee_Gamefanatic]

You'll find ideaMaker better when you want to print with two nozzles of different widths. You'll find simplify 3D is another tool that comes in handy when you have multiple tools with different nozzle sizes within the same print especially when you want to print more than two nozzles at a time.

[@Doogleraia]

Nah nah nah, that enclosure doesn't just enable you to print ABS.. it allows for ASA!!!! THAT is HUGE for belt-printing. A point of note about ideamaker as a slicer for belt-printers; it does the same ol' "support air-gap" that's usual for traditional printing, but no support-interface settings to get it way closer to the print as belt-printing will require...... because we can't print in mid air 😅😅BUT, that might change in future updates, or from users finding solutions (because a 2mm gap on a good day isn't a good day for belt-printers, especially for sword-shape style prints that levitate most of the print otherwise)

[@martinpitts1]

Just curious, would orienting the organic parts at an angle help any? You might be able to treat the FFF print like an SLA print instead, and if it can handle overhangs well you might be able to get away with minimal supports.

[@thomaswakefield6889]

How do I get them to send me a belt printer to test. I'm in the process of building a 1 to 1 life-size print of the RZ-3 A-Wing statfighter

[@patrickmckowen2999]

@@thomaswakefield6889 Get another 149999 subs at least👍

[@BojanSusic-qi4qn]

Speaking of delta printers, I'd love to see a review on the HT90 but I'm aware that's a bit out of the consumer market and into the start-ups.

[@Duraltia]

Mhh... Yeaa... The Nozzle thing is kinda a Bummer 🤔 As is the situation with the Slicer 🤨 While the latter may be addressed at some point thus solving any upcoming Slicer related Feature Updated the former is kinda dire if down the line no more Nozzles like that are being manufactured by either them or others and you've gone through your existing stock. It's kinda like a set of Scale Modelling Cutters I purchased that have a feature where one side is dull with the other having _incredibly_ sharp replaceable Blades - Problem's just those replaceable Blades are *_NEVER_* in stock essentially turning the Cutters into a fancy Paperweight once I'd have to replace the preinstalled Blade.

[@davidespositoify]

What time will the kickstarter start? It gives the date but not the time?

[@ideaformer2353]

USA time UTC-4

[@davidespositoify]

@ideaformer2353 that's the time zone. What time in that time zone? 00:00?

[@ideaformer2353]

@@davidespositoify it is start now

[@rrittenhouse]

Do you run your audio through some kind of nvidia broadcaster or something? It sounds so bizarre at times and sounds muffled like it's running through some sort of noise suppression. I recently won an Ender 3 Belt that another person assembled for themselves. It runs klipper and it's SO interesting! Thank you for the videos on belt printers as it's helped me understand some of the concepts behind how they print and their limitations. I had no clue about the overhang possibilities either! I'm testing that on the next piece that I print lol.

[@thenextlayer]

Yeah we use an AI noise filter but we are trying to get the original audio better

[@jmlejo8352]

Question. Cause it's orientation is 45°. Would it help print the round and overhangs better if you also put the object in the slice on a 45° as well? A little over the top. But just curious 🤨.

[@benon3d]

"A very large multicolor printer that poops" In my language, that means X1L. You got anything to say?🤔👀

[@dorlock42]

Interesting, and what is the difference if a tilted print head like this is used for planar printing, versus a normally oriented print head perpendicular to the bed. I understand that the main benefit will probably be for long prints, but for serial production something like the Voron 2.4 with a conveyor will likely be more than sufficient.

[@Nowen97]

Owning a raise3d pro2 I’m tied down to IdeaMaker. And it falls short in many aspects. I’m much happier with my modified K1 Max on Orca.

[@justsomemincedgarlic]

wild. I was printing something off for the wife last night and telling her about the concept of belt printers and then this video popped up the next morning.

[@thenextlayer]

You mean… I’m not the only one talking my wife’s ear off about 3-D printing stuff she doesn’t care about?

[@justsomemincedgarlic]

@@thenextlayer definitely not. “Wow that’s great baby” is the canned response in my house haha

[@davydatwood3158]

Whilst I understand the need for a unique nozzle shape, this being a v6 style is disappointing. The move to single part nozzle-and-throat has been one of the best things to happen for hobby 3d printers. Also, thank you for reminding me of what the next thing I wanted to print was. I'd turned off my machine last night because I finished a project and couldn't remember what was next. But now I remember - it's a tool storage wall!

[@3dpathfinder]

Ah so your testing the K2 Plus

[@sparky1570784]

I have a white night belt for sale. I was on a waiting list to buy one because you can only buy them in bulk so it was a group order but I don't have time for the hobby any more. Looking for a buyer

[@radiotbo4646]

FLSUN is sending either the s1 or the future t1 pro? 20:26

[@thenextlayer]

😈

[@KanielD]

I stopped using IdeaMaker last year & I don’t care to go back so hopefully we have another option by the time these start shipping.

[@davidespositoify]

Why?

[@vivi_t3ch]

Why do I have a feeling you got yourself the newest Bambu printer with an AMS on the top in your blurred out clip?

[@thenextlayer]

Nope.

[@vivi_t3ch]

@@thenextlayer ahhh, worth a guess

[@geosorrell8938]

I know you reviewed the kobra 3 a while back. What is your take on making them into a farm? I know you had a short run on that video but I also went back and noticed a video where you were going over how much time you had on each printer. I have 600 hours on mine and I've only replaced the nozzle once. It is incredible in my opinion light years ahead of my CR6 Max which was my first printer that I got from work and had to fix it but I had to fix it every time I used it. I'm debating about buying more kobra 3 combos mainly so I have a second Ace pro but also wouldn't mind having another printer. I just don't know if there's many people using them to farm.

[@PioneerPrint3D]

The moment you showed the overhang on that benchy I Immediately wrote this off. This isn't viable unless your part has zero overhangs on one full side.

[@krollmond7544]

I'll definitely donate to this

[@Ahmad_Jamal_06]

Are the printers the K2 series?

[@SmurfHunter]

Given that every belt printer is technically printing a first layer for every layer, I'm not surprised you haven't tried them before! Makes sense with the channel name :P

[@thenextlayer]

Ha good one!

[@shadowphyre4746]

At 3:43 I think you meant to say PEI, because PTFE is very non-sticky. Overall, great video, as always. I for myself like the new camera angle :D

[@thenextlayer]

Oh, yeah. Good point. lol!

[@GertMalan]

It's a pity that you have already adopted the honeycomb system. It would have been nice to see how it handles Mutliboard

[@thenextlayer]

Yeah. I wish I weren’t so deep down the rabbit hole with HSW

[@GertMalan]

@@thenextlayer this might be, in my opinion, the best use of conveyor belt printers. I would prefer this to stacked printing. This way you can produce Mutliboard tiles non stop until your filament runs out.

[@mdz_0151]

Is that a new Bambu lab printer that has been pixelated 👀 ams on top

[@radiotbo4646]

no, creality k2 plus

[@mdz_0151]

@@radiotbo4646 why pixelate it though if it’s already been released?

[@mathewbrunza2813]

Has to be the Creality K2 Plus? And whats that other printer another Solvo or did prusa change their colours?

[@coylkoupourbinbarger2941]

Just bought a CR-30 for the black Friday deal for the same price to early bird back this, is this better than that machine? I was a bit worried about the 200x170mm build volume of the cr-30 and this one has 250x250, it says arrival by February 2025, is this worth the wait? i have never backed a Kickstarter project before, how likely am i to receive this product? Should i cancel my order for the CR-30 and wait for this or is the price of this likely to drop to 750 or less come next black Friday?

[@thenextlayer]

This is way way way better than

[@coylkoupourbinbarger2941]

@@thenextlayer how do you know this if you have never used the cr-30?

[@timtravelnomad]

Isn't there a fundamental weakness with belt printers, that the longest axis is the weakest? Layer direction being perpendicular to the infinite axis.

[@nadir3D]

Smells like a delta is coming out soon!

[@FrIoSrHy]

Very cool video and a great looking printer

[@thenextlayer]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@radiotbo4646]

creality k2 plus combo!!!!! 16:40

[@toadiloader3183]

Bambu labs should make a belt printer!!1!

[@jamiemacdonald436]

I'll be sure to keep an eye out for the noisy printers you're about to review in the future! 😂

[@GonnerMeLeggies]

The ending of this makes me hopeful that one of the unreleased printers is in fact a delta. I started my 3d printing on a Delta, and missed it so kuch I grabbed a fulsun Sr and Klipperized it

[@thenextlayer]

You’re gonna like next weeks video.

[@GonnerMeLeggies]

​@@thenextlayer Welp, guess I am going to start trying to justify a new printer purchase now...

[@horstschlemmer1337]

Is that a k2plus at 16:41 in the mirror?

[@yaheli.mp4]

שמע, אתה מטורף! והמגרד גב נראה אחלה דבר

[@allenm00]

3:28 I'd call that axis the inclined axis.

[@willcerritelli383]

dose anyone know how it compares to the lynx 3d printer

[@beppisdoggo8213]

i printed a 40x40 extrusion on my cr 30 and it turned out a little under 6 ft

[@thenextlayer]

Nice.

[@_edmund]

do you mind making a summary of your sovol toolchanger?

[@thenextlayer]

I did a video about it actually

[@JustTryGambling]

Oh so this is why I haven’t been able to buy the v1 for a year

[@martien-io]

Not an experienced 3D printer guy, but I have bought a Bambu p1s recently, which is great. But why does almost every other 3D printer feels it is designed by IKEA? I mean the assembly on those things hold me back on buying one for years…

[@logicalfundy]

Also... Why does it seem like only Prusa has figured out color printing without poops?

[@platin2148]

Dang this with even bigger ZY size would be a interior printer.

[@mocotonio]

3:40 "The bed seems to be made out of metal and coated with PTFE" i think you meant PEI there...

[@thenextlayer]

Correct. I need more sleep.

[@mocotonio]

@@thenextlayer Rest, man Burnout is a real thing.

[@jamesgates1074]

As far as I can tell there are only 2 advantages of a belt printer and a lot of disadvantages. Pro: printing really long objects, swords basically printing multiple objects repeatedly. and I don't really even know about the second one being a huge advantage because there are auto eject mods out there if you are interested in batch printing. Disadvantages: poor bed adhesion weird overhangs weird slicing no multi color no enclosure slow printing little support / information available unless these issues are solved I don't know if this kind of printing really makes a lot of sense.

[@Myrblyl]

Treadmill printers look nice, yet... well... it's a "nope" from me. They're fine to print PLA and its deritatives for certain geometries. Yet, printing very long things using anything else, say PET/PETG/PCTG, ASA or ABS for instance, on these ... errr ... I don't know if it'll work. Bed adhesion /warping will be serious issues (and you won't be able to print long very long/tricky things with that because of the required cooling time). And when it comes to flexibles... It's possible parts can't be "ejected" unless a human action is done.

[@BS_Sensoy]

Hum....it's there the new future products of Bambu? 😁

[@radiotbo4646]

no, creality k2 plus

[@mrburns366]

I don't understand the point of the 45 angle.. why not just set it up like a bed slinger with an infinity Y axis? Then it could use a typical slicer. 🤷

[@regularfryt]

That design's covered by a Stratasys patent. The 45 degree angle avoids it.

[@TTFN39]

15:54 this part reminds me of a saying I heard when I was a very young man; "you can haul coal in a Cadillac but that's not what it was made for". I see some people get upset when they try to make their 3D printer do something that it can only do badly. Then they blame the printer when they should be saying, "Oh no! You did exactly what I told you to do!" I like watching your videos and seeing your enthusiasm. And while it's useful to learn from your 'don't do what I just did', it does seem like you should do a little more research beforehand. 😁 Then you can dive into the examination of 'I'm told that it's not as good when doing , but let's see for ourselves'. I hope you take this as supportive commentary and not a personal criticism. ✌️🙂

[@thenextlayer]

I appreciate the feedback but I feel like it’s entertaining to tell a story of my journey… “I watched a bunch of KZbin videos and it worked perfectly” isn’t exactly a story.

[@TTFN39]

@@thenextlayer I understand what you're saying and I agree that there is both entertainment and educational value to 'let's see what happens'. Mythbusters was also very good at that. My suggestion was just to do a "little" more research - although I can see why you might infer that I was saying have everything worked out before you start. That's not what I meant for you to think and I'm sorry that I didn't say it better. 🙂✌️