What Makes us Postmodern?

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Then & Now

Then & Now

2 жыл бұрын

What makes us postmodern? Do we live in a psychological condition of postmodernity? Is postmodernism everywhere? The sociologist Anthony Giddens described living in the modern world as being ‘more like being aboard a careering juggernaut rather than being in a carefully controlled and well-driven motor car.’
Through the work of Zygmunt Bauman and his 'Postmodernity and its Discontents' I look at concepts like control, planning, metanarratives, values, pessimism, schizophrenia, and consumerism.
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Sources:
Anthony Giddens, The Consequences of Modernity
Anthony Giddens, Runaway World
Dennis Smith, Zygmunt Bauman, Prophet of Postmodernity
Zygmunt Bauman, Postmodernity’s Discontents
David Harvey, The Condition of Postmodernity
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@ThenNow
@ThenNow 10 ай бұрын
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@ezdlc2693
@ezdlc2693 10 ай бұрын
hi
@YuvalAS
@YuvalAS 8 ай бұрын
great work
@turpinglipper9171
@turpinglipper9171 2 жыл бұрын
“Postmodernity is said to be a culture of fragmentary sensations, eclectic nostalgia, disposable simulacra, and promiscuous superficiality, in which the traditionally valued qualities of depth, coherence, meaning, originality, and authenticity are evacuated or dissolved amid the random swirl of empty signals.” ― Jean Baudrillard
@aaron2709
@aaron2709 2 жыл бұрын
Sounds good on first read but it's rather vague. Needs some specifics, ones clearly describing something not found in Modernism.
@Simon-ro9hz
@Simon-ro9hz 2 жыл бұрын
@@aaron2709 Well, in that case I would recommend just reading Baudrillard. He gives specific examples and topics which he examines that describe the post-modern condition, such as his description of "sign value" in post-industrial societies, that is: objects are not evaluated upon their use or exchange value (as Marx would think) but rather on the basis of what they represent (pure appearence). Therefore, the fundamental relationship between man and nature is distorted and alienated; as Baudrillard describes it as "hyper-reality". Capitalism reinforces this distorted relationship or it could be argued gave birth to it, since it benefits consumer culture. Baudrillard was very pessimistic about this existential condition and thought that objects triumphed over subjects, thereby rejecting the marxist or hegelian notion of a linear view of history that is determined to result in a form of salvation from this prior state of being.
@aaronwatch3214
@aaronwatch3214 2 жыл бұрын
@@Simon-ro9hz I said something specific. Give me a specific example of "pure appearance." This is still generalized theory.
@Simon-ro9hz
@Simon-ro9hz 2 жыл бұрын
@@aaronwatch3214 Brands such as Gucci, Prada or Yeezy are great examples, but also other forms of representation such as the commercialized multicultural slogans brands like Nike associate themselves with.
@dethkon
@dethkon 2 жыл бұрын
@@aaronwatch3214 Maybe start with Debord’s _Society of The Spectacle_ before getting into Baudrillard. But as for Baudrillard himself, Prof. Rick Roderick has one of my favorite all time lectures regarding him: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIaciICcqbtnZsU
@PhiloTechYT
@PhiloTechYT 2 жыл бұрын
“Simplifying to the extreme, I define postmodern as incredulity toward metanarratives.” -Jean-François Lyotard
@cowflieswest3046
@cowflieswest3046 Жыл бұрын
Then I'm postmodern in doubting Lyotard writings about something he claims as bullshit 'grand narratives of modernity"..He's making it up. He 's a postmodern postmodernist who then wrote a book..
@kenlieck7756
@kenlieck7756 Жыл бұрын
@@cowflieswest3046 Like, a post-postmodern man? kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHStoJiVacqMi5Y
@charlie3k
@charlie3k 2 жыл бұрын
Him standing in front of advertisements while explaining the impacts of post-modernity is a nice touch.
@gunpiIot
@gunpiIot 2 жыл бұрын
this helped me understand the Postmodern a lot more. thank you!
@user-sl6gn1ss8p
@user-sl6gn1ss8p 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like the explorer analogy makes sense, but at the same time the exploring is in many senses so mediated, distant and even, ironically, prepackaged and bounded that can bring apathy rather than excitement. In a sense not only we're both more connected and more isolated, but also the world is larger than ever on the one hand while in the other we exist most of time in tighter, more purpose-built spaces
@wyleong4326
@wyleong4326 2 жыл бұрын
You should check out Bruno Latour’s works specifically on his talks on Gaia Is Not The Globe where he proposes a third trajectory somewhere beyond and between the traditional ways of life and globalization, and somehow find a footing in that new ground.
@hideshiseyes2804
@hideshiseyes2804 2 жыл бұрын
Yes and his Down to Earth is a really fascinating book about this.
@ImagineProductioncz
@ImagineProductioncz 2 жыл бұрын
It’s a very nice touch that you decided to add subtitles to your videos. It’s so much more convenient and easier to understand. Keep up the good work!
@Bisquick
@Bisquick 2 жыл бұрын
I'm reminded of one of Marx's description of what is essentially the ubiquitous feeling of 'postmodernism' in his later consideration (and after the failures of many revolutionary movements) of automation and the evolution of technology in mediating social relationships that trend to serve the perpetuation of the system for its own sake rather than having it serve us by taking back that control, cementing/reifying that whole "capitalist realism" ontology: _“Once adopted into the production process of capital, the means of labour passes through different metamorphoses, whose culmination is the… automatic system of machinery… set in motion by an automaton, a moving power that moves itself; this automaton consisting of numerous mechanical and intellectual organs, so that the workers themselves are cast merely as its conscious linkages.”_ - “The Fragment on Machines” in The Grundrisse
@Simon-ro9hz
@Simon-ro9hz 2 жыл бұрын
Beautiful quotes of Marx that you are posting. I guess the post-modern condition stems obviously from the mode of production (Capitalism) and its self-perpetuating superstructure which is based upon the reduction of being to mere reason; manifesting itself in our contemporary homo oeconomicus view of human existence along side some pseudo-moralistic notions of humanism .
@Bisquick
@Bisquick 2 жыл бұрын
I always liked Marx's elaboration of man's ability to control history, and really his entire project was about how we can regain that human autonomy to regain control of the juggernaut of course, that inherent tension of managing "freedom". _"Men make their own history, but they do not make it as they please; they do not make it under self-selected circumstances, but under circumstances existing already, given and transmitted from the past. The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living."_
@Simon-ro9hz
@Simon-ro9hz 2 жыл бұрын
The difference between early and late Marx is truly a sight to behold. Where the early Marx conceived of a history with the subject at its center, the late Marx outright rejects the notion of a subject as a whole in the context of historical materialism and dialectics. I wonder what Marx would think nowadays about the capitalist state of being in the context of history; I can imagine he would become as much as a pessimist as Adorno and Baudrillard.
@danksheev66
@danksheev66 2 жыл бұрын
@@Simon-ro9hz I don't know, I feel postmodern is a description of late stage capitalism that has become far more determined by consumption rather than by labour and yet it is disassociating modernist frameworks to the point where something will have to take its place. I think the strict interpretation of historical and dialectical materialism may not apply but postmodernism has to implode at some point and we may see a stateless classless society emerge from it, seeing as atomisation and radicalisation is now more relevant than ever being we could see significant change in the social order. I just don't think it is a stateless society can be achieved by enlarging state power as the Soviet Union thought it could achieve by building up production for the ubiquity ready for the ruling class to no longer exist and rather we will see those we work take back control from the schizophrenic nature of power and run the economy for themselves and their autonomous communities. But that's just my theory.
@Simon-ro9hz
@Simon-ro9hz 2 жыл бұрын
@@danksheev66 That's quite an optimistic perspective. I'd rather think in terms of whether a collapse will even occur. Capitalism is so effective at adapting itself to contemporary social conditions, so that every capitalist metamorphesis will be the prevalent mode of production underlying all economically and politically relevant nations. That is precisely the objection I have against Marx' linear view of history and dialectics; it's just an archaic hegelian conception that doesn't apply to a world that is changing so fast and is made up of so many variables which makes predictibility in any sense of the future practically impossible, at least in the precise manner Marx conceives of in his philosophy of history. That doesn't mean I reject the concept of historical materialism as such, it is very useful when examining social and political dynamics but not beyond them. You are right in the sense that consumption is the primary characteristic of post-modernity, in the sense that it implies that developed nations live in such an abundance of material goods that it is impossible to think of a revolutionary force that could emerge which would cause a change to the fundamental mode of production, that is Capitalism, through collectivized means of production for example. This mechanism of capital is what makes itself so robust to revolution, alongside its superstructural manifestions such as media, literature and ideology. People have no desire to revolt in a state of material satiety and existential security. As Machiavelli states that people will obey the system or government indefinetly as long as it legitimizes itself by guaranteeing existential and material security.
@danksheev66
@danksheev66 2 жыл бұрын
@@Simon-ro9hz Yeah I think I know it's like that really I just have to stay optimistic even if it's unrealistic.
@Simon-ro9hz
@Simon-ro9hz 2 жыл бұрын
@@danksheev66 We all have to :)
@bleeone
@bleeone Жыл бұрын
This channel just found me and this is one of the best produced videos I’ve seen so far this year. Entertaining, interesting, informative, provocative, and weirdly nostalgic. Can’t wait to dive into the back cat. Well done.
@sempressfi
@sempressfi Жыл бұрын
This channel is so underrated, had seen a couple a few months ago but got distracted by other subjects and after diving back into philosophy a couple months ago I've been watching 2 or more vids here a day lol
@davidus888
@davidus888 2 жыл бұрын
i ve rediscovered your channel after 2 years or so, this was a brilliant video, please, dont stop youre filling me with possible ways of understanding the world around me
@dekooks1543
@dekooks1543 2 жыл бұрын
dont just rely on one source though
@jamestcatcato7132
@jamestcatcato7132 2 жыл бұрын
Let me guess, magat talking?
@supine2491
@supine2491 2 жыл бұрын
Good writing and content, but for feedback, in looking to up your production value, definitely look into your speech audio quality. It's like I'm listening to three different people depending on whether you're outside (which is tricky to produce), or talking from across the table, or speaking into a mic. Unless you can smoothly combine the three, sticking to something that's close to a singular audio source might be enough. It gets pretty bad around something like 23:20 where the background music also overtakes the speech volume rather noticeably. It's disorienting, and not in the sort of way that massages the message of the medium of the video essay. Either way, found your channel through that lively debate with Moeller. wishing all the best. I'm for more accessible explanations of the postmodern, in this age where it's so strongly co-opted as a scare word by whatever right-wing political agitators and their podcast empires, who themselves are as much of a postmodern symptom as anything that you could find in their worst infinitely re-enacted fever dreams. If there's a way out of this, it's in passing through it, not fantasizing fake pasts.
@slambangwallop
@slambangwallop 2 жыл бұрын
I thought it was incidentally disorientating in a way that backs up both the video's chosen subject narrative and a need to recognise that Educational Philosophy videos such as this one require support in order to afford microphones, and create better video quality. Also, it reminded me of the time I made a video advertisement for a competition to win money to pay a student loan- we couldn't afford a microphone so presumably it would have contributed to the video not winning! Such are the popular expectations of people in the World today.
@stevenf5902
@stevenf5902 2 жыл бұрын
@@slambangwallop You and OP are right
@matthewsimmons4597
@matthewsimmons4597 2 жыл бұрын
Is Metamodernism a concrete conception yet? I'm not even fully through this video yet and I am loving it. I've said for myself that I believe postmodernism came in from the instantiation of neoliberalism and the fall of the soviet union as a collective Other for the west along with the dissemination of postmodern ideologies on the internet. Love the deleuzian/parreti use of schizophrenia too.
@christiangennari
@christiangennari Жыл бұрын
This is truly, art. I am amazed, this content gave me goosebumps several times for the storytelling and music, combined with beautifully selected and edited footage. Simply superb.
@Vmvmvmvmvn
@Vmvmvmvmvn 2 жыл бұрын
You made a very good use of that patreon money, your content is exceptionally good and now your production also is.
@phillycheesesteak670
@phillycheesesteak670 2 жыл бұрын
i love the evolution of your editing style. Your videos have been a part of my journey to a better, less noisy, understanding of our world. very thankful for channels like yours
@dhard
@dhard 2 жыл бұрын
I love your channel so much. Been watching your back catalog all week.
@nefwaenre
@nefwaenre 2 жыл бұрын
i think Kafka summed this up nicely in The Castle. The frivolous search for 'purpose' and meaning, while almost slaving away in life's dreary existence, only to know that it was all in vain. A sense of belonging, completely lost. We all want to get to this 'castle' or the good life/happiness, but we don't know what it is and how to get it. We have all the means and things we think are necessary for getting there, but still, we fail. That's post-modernism right there.
@Alex-hu5eg
@Alex-hu5eg Жыл бұрын
"Gibt es Auf!" :)
@vanessali1365
@vanessali1365 2 жыл бұрын
Emotion is always as important as reason because we are human (like it or not), not just for postmodern human (if there's such thing), that's where uncertainty from.... Emotion is by nature uncertain regardless ancient/modern/postmodern.
@markbaigrie8891
@markbaigrie8891 Жыл бұрын
I'm doing a degree in photography. I have to approach the subject of critical perspectives-One of these is Modernism/Postmodernism. Your channel is a great resource that helps me immensely. Thanks.
@MattStranberg
@MattStranberg 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible as always! Loved it
@Alex-hu5eg
@Alex-hu5eg Жыл бұрын
"All that was once directly lived has become mere representation" Guy Debord: The Society of the Spectacle
@juliushalm1892
@juliushalm1892 Жыл бұрын
Honestly one of the best video essays I’ve ever watched
@vonj.6384
@vonj.6384 Жыл бұрын
Wonderfully done! Putting something thats been heavily debated over the turn of the 20th century ever since it's insception into words. I couldn't have had agreed more! I specifically emphasize with what you've mentioned at the end of the video about being on the possible edge of something new, a new order that is diffrent from even the ever increasingly complex one we're in today. I feel like despite what I know even now I ask myself that everyday. Bravo!
@dianagentu7478
@dianagentu7478 Жыл бұрын
Is that new frontier AI? Seems to be what he’s implying and what reality is evidencing.
@Cario20
@Cario20 Жыл бұрын
dude, i love the guy reading. so good, such good pauses and pacing. on such dense content. high five man. morgan freeman 2.0.
@I3loom
@I3loom 2 жыл бұрын
19:57 the hands moving in time with the music was really nice
@duckles426
@duckles426 2 жыл бұрын
the (perhaps accidental) use of fourth wall breaks in a brechtian way, in contrast with modernist standards of a well-contained story, parallels the distinction between the ordered, controlled ideas of modernism, and the postmodern way, heavily dependent on the subjectivity of an audience's perception and framing, which is cool.
@KenEnCuenca
@KenEnCuenca 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this summary of a perplexing subject. It is common to our conscious species, will all our claims to knowledge, that in reality we have no clue as to what is happening to us.
@thegreatujo
@thegreatujo Жыл бұрын
This is philosophy and art combined. The production of these videos is superb. I'm not sure there can be any improvement over this. Love your channel. Keep up the good work.
@dylanbuckle114
@dylanbuckle114 Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
@alexgebhardt5925
@alexgebhardt5925 2 жыл бұрын
This was fantastic to watch!
@fredrikhallstrom8639
@fredrikhallstrom8639 Жыл бұрын
Just found your channel - and I love it!
@bdz_4206
@bdz_4206 Жыл бұрын
14:26 to enlightenment. We see that the important things are still the same. Food. Water. Shelter. Clothes. A community that accepts one for whomever one may be without judgement. Technology can set us free, but only if we abandon the scarcity mindset, the only zero-sum game that exists when it comes the the long term survival of the human species on this planet, is that we all survive or no one survives. We have to save each other as it were, or maybe I've been blazing a little too hard xD. Beautiful videos!
@scottageindustries
@scottageindustries 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks this is a great resource.Please continue the good work Technically I would suggest running all audio through an equaliser as most of your "to camera" audio is far to low contrasted to the V/O.
@ownedbymykitty270
@ownedbymykitty270 Жыл бұрын
The audio needs to be normalized and possibly compressed to match levels of different segments. The EQ would be to match the tonality.
@haleyscott666
@haleyscott666 Жыл бұрын
Yuppie !!!!!! =isuch an under rated comment
@duma70
@duma70 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are works of art as much as educational pieces
@Ryan-wr8fx
@Ryan-wr8fx 2 жыл бұрын
This guy can't even mix audio correctly; the volume level between the different clips is so inconsistent.
@camhcom
@camhcom 2 жыл бұрын
this feels like a nice summation of a complex concept. i only find particular fault with the conclusion, which seems to seek a gentle touchdown for its audience, but must jettison sincerity in order to do so. video essays don't need a happy end just because they fear pushing their audience further into depression. it undermines the credibility of the whole preceding piece.
@Disentropic1
@Disentropic1 2 жыл бұрын
What makes you think the optimism is insincere?
@camhcom
@camhcom 2 жыл бұрын
@@Disentropic1 tough to say for a vid i watched two weeks ago. my shitty memory says something like: it seems that the vast majority of the vid was about how "shit sucks" and had a lot of arguments to back that up. and then when it got to "but maybe it's ok?" part it felt weak and unsupported. paying lip service to optimism, going through the motions.
@Disentropic1
@Disentropic1 2 жыл бұрын
@@camhcom Thanks for the response. That's pretty far away from my takeaway, though. I saw this video as taking postmodernism rather seriously and intended overall as a defense of it considering its poor reputation among the public. The point of laying out the cons with postmodernism, I think, is to encourage those who only ever hear it critiqued to take the upsides more seriously (as it's convincing that the author isn't overlooking its flaws.)
@scythermantis
@scythermantis 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah ha ha, completely agree. If we are truly Post-modern we have a duty to unite and REBEL against the modern world that has enslaved us.
@scythermantis
@scythermantis 2 жыл бұрын
@@Disentropic1 It's completely obvious why. But also impossible to say and actually know it. "He who knows, does not say, and he who says, does not truly know."
@kathyustel813
@kathyustel813 Жыл бұрын
You are very good at choosing topics of interest.
@GlobeHackers
@GlobeHackers 2 жыл бұрын
These are essential perspectives on the question. We often forget context when we are confronting various social, ideological, or philosophical movements. Who is the producer/presenter of this channel?
@blueape1234
@blueape1234 4 ай бұрын
what a great video! your editing style and choice of clips reminds me very much of Adam Curtis
@suzx21
@suzx21 2 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for this🤩
@JonathanB00K3R
@JonathanB00K3R Жыл бұрын
This channel deserves the highest praise.
@nancywysemen7196
@nancywysemen7196 2 жыл бұрын
useful,very OK. thank-you. well done!
@elainevuong5259
@elainevuong5259 2 жыл бұрын
*gleefully pointing out random fact* - 21:39 - that's the Eaton Centre in Toronto! :D
@danilthorstensson8902
@danilthorstensson8902 2 жыл бұрын
21:55 the timing of this segment meshed really well with the background 😮
@T.H.W.O.T.H
@T.H.W.O.T.H 2 жыл бұрын
Where did the future go? 30 years ago I was promised rocket shoes, meals in pill form, holidays on the moon, virtually unlimited leisure time, a cure for the common cold, an end to domestic drudgery, teleportation technology, vat grown meat and children (not to be confused!), an end to world hunger, a secure and ever lasting peace, fusion power that was virtually free... Where did it all go? It could have been so much better...
@RickSanchez-od2uf
@RickSanchez-od2uf 2 жыл бұрын
Well said, the world tunred out shit and we have to suffer the consequences
@Bojoschannel
@Bojoschannel 2 жыл бұрын
Check Mark Fisher's hauntology. We are being haunted not by the specters of the past but by the lost futures modernity promised us and never came to be, canceled by the capitalist ontology of our times
@dudenamepo
@dudenamepo 2 жыл бұрын
everyone here is a retard. peter thiel’s talks on stagnation are where you’ll find the answer to your question
@Bojoschannel
@Bojoschannel 2 жыл бұрын
@@dudenamepo lol
@lsobrien
@lsobrien 2 жыл бұрын
@@dudenamepo Oh my.
@biturboism
@biturboism Жыл бұрын
I’m on my phone right now, taking a break on my couch in the evening, and bracing for the second daily deluge of emails from the far away time zones of my mega company. The future is great!
@Aaron26057
@Aaron26057 2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive production
@desireisfundamental
@desireisfundamental Жыл бұрын
I think fundamentally evolution is like that as well. When our ancestors came out of the water they had to evolve to breathe which caused a lot of new problems, after that evolved to walk on two feet which caused another problem, evolved to think which drove to psychological problems and etc what matters is at the end when the equation is giving you net benefit and that can be proven only trough time.
@Rahshu
@Rahshu 2 жыл бұрын
That ending felt shockingly oblivious to the state of the world and its trajectory, I must say. I think the pervasive pessimism of the day is reasonable. I also get uncomfortable hearing the word "we" thrown about so much, as if everyone was of the same mind and desire. A hell of a lot of people are being battered about by the storm and not riding the surf. A lot of people feel powerless because they definitely are. Choices of multiple brands at the store is not the same having meaningful control of your housing, medical care, transport, and political representation. You make it sound like the conditions of the modern world are at least partly created in a vacuum in spite of starting off mentioning the great powers that actively shape the world most of us have to exist within. It's the elephant in the room kind of gets obscured with the rest of the content, spot on as much of it may be.
@beneddie6592
@beneddie6592 Жыл бұрын
It has become more and more obvious that there is nothing more dangerous to human than human himself!!!
@tiffanyb9275
@tiffanyb9275 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video
@Ba-pb8ul
@Ba-pb8ul 2 жыл бұрын
I'd be interested in what you make of Alex Callinicos's: Against Postmodern - A Marxist Critique. Its argument is summed up on the first chapter, I recall
@kriddz
@kriddz 2 жыл бұрын
Got a link?
@waynez3885
@waynez3885 6 ай бұрын
Excellent, thanks
@tiagobarbosa6623
@tiagobarbosa6623 2 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@thomaslarkin3307
@thomaslarkin3307 2 жыл бұрын
I thought we already left post modern. I was under the impression we were now in a stage known as meta modern.
@KarlSnarks
@KarlSnarks 2 жыл бұрын
As I understand it there's discussion on if we've entered the meta-modern/post-postmodern era, but no real consensus in the field of sociology. At least, this was the case when I was introduced to the idea of meta-modernism a few years back. However my knowledge of it is very limited and I don't know if there's been development in the past years. I also recently heard an interview where the interviewee claimedthat we would be entering into the era of post-normality, where climate change combined with constant stream of (miss)information causes constant shifts in politics, daily life, culture, economics etc. and we'll have to adapt constantly.
@user-yj9hq8sq5y
@user-yj9hq8sq5y 2 жыл бұрын
There's no such thing
@radioactivedetective6876
@radioactivedetective6876 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. Kind of a strech to call the 2010s postmodern. Of course, there can never be literal demarcations, as each age begins in the previous, and extends into the next. However, if we consider things like watershed moments/events, zeitgeist, technological changes, then definitely the 2010s (or rather post 2008 financial crisis) with social media & targetted surveillance, severe political polarisation, rise of right wing politics globally, post truth and climate crisis, seem to be a different era or a transition towards it.
@egorpanfilov
@egorpanfilov 2 жыл бұрын
My exact thinking. That is probably what the next video is going to be on :).
@bananajib
@bananajib 2 жыл бұрын
Post-post modernism, metamodernism, etc. are fundamentally postmodernism. They just describe various nuances.
@ChicagoTurtle1
@ChicagoTurtle1 2 жыл бұрын
Postmodernism is a multi-faceted reaction against Modernism. Modernism asserted the establishment’s ideals of positivism, simplicity, endless growth. If anyone challenges these assertions or apply criticality, you are post-modern.
@scythermantis
@scythermantis 2 жыл бұрын
This, I'm glad someone said it. Traditionalists are even Post-modern as well. REVOLT AGAINST THE MODERN WORLD.
@ChicagoTurtle1
@ChicagoTurtle1 2 жыл бұрын
@@scythermantis I agree. Then the next question would be: what is progressive/regressive.
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself
@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself 2 жыл бұрын
That is why postmodernism is such a destructive and worthless philosophy. It is the greatest enemy of our time.
@ChicagoTurtle1
@ChicagoTurtle1 2 жыл бұрын
@@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself Actually most people see limitations and flaws in the assumptions of Modernism. Most find it difficult to articulate their frustrations. You love modernism maybe?
@aaron2709
@aaron2709 Жыл бұрын
Except that these 3 ideals existed before Modernism and they are too general to describe a distinctive age.
@Bisquick
@Bisquick 2 жыл бұрын
_"Modern bourgeois society, with its relations of production, of exchange and of property, a society that has conjured up such gigantic means of production and of exchange, is like the sorcerer who is no longer able to control the powers of the nether world whom he has called up by his spells."_ _"All that is solid melts into air, all that is holy is profaned, and man is at last compelled to face with sober senses his real conditions of life, and his relations with his kind."_ But of course...seems to have jumped the gun on that last part lol...
@jadecalamityjadis4263
@jadecalamityjadis4263 Жыл бұрын
Enjoyed your take, thanks for making. One critique, I don't think using the term schizophrenic is effective, since most people don't actually know the true meaning of that mental illness and I suspect it is misunderstood. Other than that, a lot of good food for thought. Thank you!
@Eronoc13
@Eronoc13 Жыл бұрын
What's that old film interspersed with the narration? It seems very interesting.
@deadgirl66613
@deadgirl66613 2 жыл бұрын
What is the name of the song at the end? Great video!
@adriancioroianu1704
@adriancioroianu1704 Жыл бұрын
Very good content
@ryantaylor7988
@ryantaylor7988 2 жыл бұрын
So Good it's almost too Good.. Densely Thought Provoking.. Quite Intense in a self confronting way.. I Like !! my brain hurts/
@AlbertaGengar
@AlbertaGengar 2 жыл бұрын
Great video
@pinwheel8723
@pinwheel8723 Жыл бұрын
I love your videos thank you
@hansschutz398
@hansschutz398 2 жыл бұрын
This channel is a treasure
@mark4asp
@mark4asp 10 ай бұрын
Q: What makes us postmodern? A: It's fundamentally whether I trust myself to think through things. I do trust myself, therefore I'm not postmodern - although I'll concede you may be - certainly if you call yourself so.
@kellyrankin8844
@kellyrankin8844 2 жыл бұрын
I have to take issue with the framing that because we had less information available to us in the past that somehow we were better off. It entirely depends on what you value.
@kellyrankin8844
@kellyrankin8844 2 жыл бұрын
We just didn't know what we didn't know. That doesn't mean we were better off. At least I certainly don't feel that way. We need to stop demanding clear ending points and lines of delineation. It was never real.
@kaydgaming
@kaydgaming 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe the point between pre-modernism, modernism and post-modern is the point of intersection between anarchism and Stateism. That means that in the worst case scenario, there is chance for a cycle to occur… or maybe it’s already occured I’m high, but imagine that the civilization dark age after the ancient civilizations began to fade out, was just that intersection… and the reestablishment of empires afterwards was just a the cycle repeating
@m00tp01nt
@m00tp01nt 9 ай бұрын
Fantastic video. Way to capture the cultural zeitgeist in a thirty-minute video. 👏
@samshultz9009
@samshultz9009 2 жыл бұрын
I am not able to donate monthly at the moment, is there someway I could give a one time donation? I really appreciate your work and would like to show some gratitude
@krask5331
@krask5331 Жыл бұрын
wow, amazing, thx
@Morlonic
@Morlonic 2 жыл бұрын
So good
@crewster
@crewster 2 жыл бұрын
Chul Han's Psychopolitics is a must to understand our postmodern society.
@m1nd654
@m1nd654 2 жыл бұрын
very very good
@hideshiseyes2804
@hideshiseyes2804 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant.
@donofon1014
@donofon1014 Жыл бұрын
I hate to be petty about such a very fine and intellectually important video. Sorrrrry. I have to adjust audio volume UP and Down ... Down and Up. I feel cheap mentioning it. Future reference perhaps.
@nicholascarroll7966
@nicholascarroll7966 2 жыл бұрын
& under postmodernity, when the old meta-narratives on universal scientific/liberal-capitalist progress crumble - what is left? What do people attach onto? Based on current trends, just seems like it’s ethno-centrism and fascism. It’s terrifying to watch but it’s literally unfolding around us right now. The world is falling back into blocs intent on tearing each other apart.
@Fryguystudios
@Fryguystudios Жыл бұрын
Technically, wouldn't the ideas that make up enthno-centerism and nationalism that make up fascism themselves be a grand-narrative? For example: the idea of the "white race" as something with an essential nature towards "superiority" through one argument or another already posits a historically transcendental grand-narrative. If I were to guess, their present reappearance might be the result of a reactionary stance against processes dissolving its material/ideological base. Considering the very concept of what it means to be reactionary, I don't think it was ever possible for a peaceful surrender to the forces of postmodernity.
@n119511m
@n119511m Жыл бұрын
pretty DAMN good video, so many "AHA! THATS WHY" moments
@firedrone111
@firedrone111 Жыл бұрын
you should look into a compressor for your audio! so you can level out the volume of your videos
@user-qn8gb5xh8w
@user-qn8gb5xh8w Жыл бұрын
Can you please do one on metamodernism 🙏
@akor4933
@akor4933 2 жыл бұрын
i liked the video but please improve on the sound mixing - the fluctuation in loud and low was hard to cope with... thank you!
@opaulobastos
@opaulobastos 11 ай бұрын
14:30 what is this from?
@hecstiroiavanblaise7833
@hecstiroiavanblaise7833 Жыл бұрын
Saya sangat bangga dengan channel ini🇮🇩
@briankoontz1
@briankoontz1 2 жыл бұрын
In 1967, the Manabe/Wetherald atmospheric model ended Modernity and popularized the understanding that human extinction precedes human escape from Earth. What is said in this video is largely misleading- the post-1968 world is marked by the expectation that the 21st century will be humanity's last - the nostalgia, paralysis, stasis, and lack of meaning of modern life is misinterpreted in this video, which issues the mainstream philosophical view. What we exist in is a real existential crisis, not an "attitudinal" or cultural position. This is the reason that the control model has been abandoned - the Elite no longer believe that humanity has a future, and therefore there's little value in controlling humanity in the 21st century. There is much more value in building up a network of computers, powerful AI that can extend past humanity and serve the Elite in their last few decades. What is actually the dying world is misinterpreted as cultural progress, of "throwing off the shackles of the old kings", nevermind that the lack of any future for humanity renders political reality in the 21st century terrible and meaningless - a socialist revolution, dreamt of by Karl Marx who thought it was a centuries-long stepping stone to an even more Enlightened political system, for us is a cruel joke, that even if accomplished would merely improve the lives of humans in our final decades of existence. The idiotic focus on Postmodernism, an attitudinal, pretentious, and largely nonexistent culture covers up the reality of Postmodernity - the dying world that we would rather not face. Modernity, lasting from the early 17th century till 1968, sought to enable some humans to escape an Earth that was recognized early during industrialization as being considerably harmed. The Manabe/Wetherald atmospheric model ended this period of global society and entered us into an ideological void, where capitalism has no purpose but where socialism has little value to be introduced. We are now "running out the clock" till human extinction, but we pretend to be engaged in cultural progress, speaking of an "end to metanarratives", a "new era of freedom", and similar nonsense.
@oscartaylor3850
@oscartaylor3850 2 жыл бұрын
The fact that I could guess that this was gonna be your next video makes me post modern.😎😰🤯
@PaliSuttas
@PaliSuttas Жыл бұрын
Did you mention the singularity?
@alexsell9219
@alexsell9219 Жыл бұрын
The irony of me watching this at double speed....
@markkeogh2190
@markkeogh2190 4 ай бұрын
Great video. I think we are as we always were and always will be. We just have different ideas about how that is. The ideas will never be the truth about our situation. They never were and never will be. It’s above our pay grade. It doesn’t mean binomial it mean the arrogance of the human und needs to be tempered.
@okjacob
@okjacob 2 жыл бұрын
The Google Map is one universal map in terms of physical geography which is unprecedented compared to the vast divergences of historical maps. But at the same time no one user has the same Google Map in terms of human geography. Some stores are hidden, others are shown driven by humanless recommendation algorithms
@alexanderaugustus
@alexanderaugustus Жыл бұрын
What you mention about our identity being defined by what we consume, and companies playing into that, is something that I noticed some twelve years ago on social media already. You're pushed to define yourself by what brands you choose. I found that odd then and I still do now.
@undercoverreseller205
@undercoverreseller205 Жыл бұрын
Nice, it's like you made a movie about my nervous breakdown.
@tooprotimmy
@tooprotimmy 2 жыл бұрын
I love how you put 80's synth music over the black and white family eating lunch while talking about values losing meaning. Nice touch there. At 18:00
@nightoftheworld
@nightoftheworld 2 жыл бұрын
23:27 *data blind* “we’ve moved from politicians making plans based on their own ideas to politicians just being led by polling.”
@P4RK3RZ
@P4RK3RZ Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing video. However, I have to say that the use of the word “schizophrenic” in this context was a bit off-putting and could be seen as stigmatizing. I think this connotation was unintentional, but it's something to keep in mind for future reference.
@nodymus6519
@nodymus6519 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe we all have some sort of urge to destroy things that we've built kind of like how people make domino and card tower and dissolve them
@SunnyIlha
@SunnyIlha Жыл бұрын
The modern age began with industrialism. Approximately 1898. This was the period of widening use of electrical power and petroleum (oil). An early and continued form of industrialism (industrialization) was Rail. The modern age is characterized by advances in metallurgy, and welding. The graduation of it was the widespread use of the automobile and electrification of household appliances (the two with most impact being television and radio). The post modern age began with the introduction of, and the 1st spread of, the computer (microchip). 1980. Another term for the post modern age is The Age of the Computer. The graduation of it ensued by the widespread use of the android device (cellphone). We are in the Post Modern Age. And we may well (very likely) never ever advance beyond it. From here on, it's all just Chapters of what will be Volumes, of The Post Modern Age.
@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104
@jeremywvarietyofviewpoints3104 Жыл бұрын
Excellent use of old films.
@cc-dtv
@cc-dtv Жыл бұрын
incredible
@slovajleclerc9093
@slovajleclerc9093 2 жыл бұрын
26:09 Leeds or Liverpool...?
@leedonnelly6217
@leedonnelly6217 Жыл бұрын
I feel this last 20 years that we've progressed beyond postmodernism; that we now live in a digital era of posthumanism where we've gone from being consumers, to being the consumed, and the end of bodily autonomy and having some semblance of control over our own lives. At least, under postmodernism, we still had the ability to say 'No!'.
@Darkmortal100
@Darkmortal100 Жыл бұрын
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