The untold TRAGIC backstory of Stu Macher | Scream Explained

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Beyond The Mask

Beyond The Mask

9 ай бұрын

Hello everyone and welcome to the latest instalment of Beyond The Mask. Where today, we’re diving into the troubled past of one of Scream’s notorious serial killers. Stu Macher.
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@KARTOONOG
@KARTOONOG 9 ай бұрын
The fact that Stu was more afraid of his parents being mad at him for what he did instead of the cops arresting him kinda tells you a lot.
@ZayhsBridger
@ZayhsBridger 8 ай бұрын
He probably was abused by his parents I mean if this man was more scared of his parents then the cops his parents had to be some where near abusing him and that angry built up to psychotic acts and lead him to killing
@willpickering3873
@willpickering3873 8 ай бұрын
Wasn’t that line just ad-libbed for humor?
@certified_l0ser
@certified_l0ser 7 ай бұрын
Fr
@unclebounce1495
@unclebounce1495 7 ай бұрын
And this is called personal bias, confirmation bias, placebo, delusion, all those cousins wrapped up into one.
@CBO4evr
@CBO4evr 7 ай бұрын
Nah my parents were never abusive in any way but I would've been more scared of them then the cops.
@holiday197
@holiday197 9 ай бұрын
It dawned on me that when Casey Becker lied to Ghostface on the phone that she did not have a boyfriend during the opening scene, this was the trigger that probably would have confirmed her fate. When Ghostface said that they wanted to play a game, maybe this was the test. Not only did Casey leave Stu for Steven Orth (and possibly cheated on Stu) but she was also willing to feign the possibility of her cheating on Steven which would have intensified the rage in both Billy and Stu. From Billy's perspective, this would have mirrored how his father (Hank Loomis) cheated on his mother with Maureen Prescott. The opening scene is actually more subversive than it seems and it subtly sheds a light on the motivations of Billy or Stu in this scene. Although it is likely that Billy and Stu were still planning Casey's death but the brutality may have been amplified because of this possible motivation.
@Caliboo29
@Caliboo29 8 ай бұрын
He should of been happy she denyed having a boyfriend if u get what I'm saying lol I'm playing along with y'all
@marckrieger3277
@marckrieger3277 8 ай бұрын
No way Billy and Stu would have leave Caseys house wearing Ghostface costumes and having things planet out without killing Casey and Steve.
@ciaranbrk
@ciaranbrk 7 ай бұрын
I agree that her denying she had a boyfriend would have really annoyed them. Billy would have associated her with Maureen and it would have been like a red flag. Stu would have been furious too not just that she cheated but she lied to him and neglected him that would have set stu off. Although I’m sure Casey was going to die, I think stu took his time with her making her suffer. He was particularly nasty to her as hanged her out of spite and to show her parents.
@Nightopian1982
@Nightopian1982 7 ай бұрын
​@@marckrieger3277They weren't going to let anyone go. Stu says later on, they ask a question, "You get it wrong....BOOOKAH!" (ie you die), to which Billy follows up "You get it right, you die."
@user-rs4gr9yq4u
@user-rs4gr9yq4u 7 ай бұрын
@@Nightopian1982Agreed, and no matter which way she answered the Friday the 13th question Steve would have been killed anyway. The “what door am I at?” was set up to do her in as well, because Billy could have been at one door while Stu is at the other.
@sandragoth8293
@sandragoth8293 9 ай бұрын
Am I the only one who could sit and listen to him discuss Scream all day? He really needs to start doing live streams.
@eternal5229
@eternal5229 8 ай бұрын
yes
@jadegunner9234
@jadegunner9234 9 ай бұрын
I have to say that out of all the scream KZbinrs, I think your assessment of Stu is the most accurate. Everything you’ve said here is exactly why he’s my favourite ghostface.
@greenkoopa
@greenkoopa 9 ай бұрын
You spelled favorite wrong 🤔
@greenkoopa
@greenkoopa 8 ай бұрын
@@Hellstothenaw that's AMAZING And nobody can read sarcasm
@greenkoopa
@greenkoopa 7 ай бұрын
@@Hellstothenaw k
@fernandomaron87
@fernandomaron87 6 ай бұрын
What a powerhouse performance by Matthew Lilard, when you look at it, he doesn't have much screen time on the movie, but he managed to make his last minutes of footage after the reveal so meaningful, the ending of this movie is only iconic because of Matthew's electric performance.
@Felix-sn4km
@Felix-sn4km 2 ай бұрын
Electric because he died by the tv
@sleepyboi5731
@sleepyboi5731 22 күн бұрын
​@@Felix-sn4kmdid he tho? I mean, he wasn't double tapped . . . .
@vampirascoffin870
@vampirascoffin870 9 ай бұрын
Stu is my # 1 ghost face I hope he makes a return I know a lot of people will hate it but I wanna see it🔪
@chyannaturner9110
@chyannaturner9110 8 ай бұрын
I agree!!! I swear he was the one who killed Dewey,that ghostface moved just like him!!!
@TheDamien124
@TheDamien124 8 ай бұрын
I don’t think he’s dead Stu is out there somewhere
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 8 ай бұрын
​@@TheDamien124exactly
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 8 ай бұрын
Agreed People need respect Matthew Lillard #STULIVES
@TheDamien124
@TheDamien124 8 ай бұрын
@@Hellstothenaw exactly they have there opinion and we have ares they get so mad when the other side of people say Stu is alive everyone’s entitled to their own opinion no they won’t leave it at that 😆
@RealRedheadedBeauty
@RealRedheadedBeauty 9 ай бұрын
Have you ever considered that Maureen's death was Billy's plan in action but the kills of Scream were all Stu's plan and Billy went along with it because Stu had helped him frame Cotton and knew who the real killer was? Perhaps it's time to stop looking at Stu as the sidekick and as the mastermind. Roman might have told Billy to get an accomplice but if the police came knocking Stu wasn't the one with the motive Billy was. Stu was setting Billy up to be his fall guy the entire time not the other way around and when it came time he was prepared to turn on Billy and let him take the blame for it all while Stu survived and planned his sequel.
@paulcarpenter7844
@paulcarpenter7844 9 ай бұрын
No stop trying too hard
@juliancain3872
@juliancain3872 9 ай бұрын
No.
@johncap6495
@johncap6495 9 ай бұрын
Yes I'm sorry Billy was number 1. Although I hope Stu returns with Sam as his partner. I hope he drove her insane the same way Norman Bates was. Stu got the idea as it was Norman Bates named when Billy revealed himself.
@markrobinson9394
@markrobinson9394 7 ай бұрын
It’s obvious that Billy was the dominant in the relationship. Just look at their interactions in the kitchen. Stu may have been trying to stand up to Billy initially, but it’s very clear that he is afraid of him. Once Billy reaches the boiling point, Stu doesn’t try to fight back and begs Billy to stop. Not to mention the fact that Billy was the one planning it all, while Stu just went along with it because he thought it was fun. Does the latter sound like a mastermind?
@Terrible0x0Trivium
@Terrible0x0Trivium 7 ай бұрын
​@@markrobinson9394Billy also purposely stabs Stu too deeply after telling Stu how to properly do it. Billy is guiding Stu the entire time, and often gets angry with Stu when he doesn't take things seriously.
@ptmccann1
@ptmccann1 7 ай бұрын
I don't think Billy ever had any intention of letting Stu live, which is evident in the final scene where they each take turns stabbing one another. Billy's initial stab to Stu, and all subsequent attacks, is anything but the 'stay to the side and don't go too deep' instruction he gives Stu. Stu's stab to Billy is much more precise without causing grievous injury. It goes without saying that Stu was in pretty bad shape before Sidney finished him off.
@mattgrisham9058
@mattgrisham9058 6 ай бұрын
Ya billy was gonna kill him off and be the sole survivor
@crystalemusic4618
@crystalemusic4618 3 ай бұрын
Billy wouldn't have stabbed him so many times if Stu listened to Billy's lead.
@4EverILoveHalloween
@4EverILoveHalloween 9 ай бұрын
The way you put it makes the whole entire exposition behind what made Stu Macher the way he was, is excellent and on point. Honestly, I would have never thought of it that way.
@oz88og40
@oz88og40 9 ай бұрын
Stu macher was a crazy individual who just does it for the thrill
@leamason9006
@leamason9006 9 ай бұрын
This is the best channel for scream content
@Whosthis761
@Whosthis761 9 ай бұрын
For horror period
@user-fy4ru1mg9j
@user-fy4ru1mg9j 6 ай бұрын
Is there really anymore?
@jacquelinecallejas1390
@jacquelinecallejas1390 7 ай бұрын
Stu and Billy always gave me Leopold and Loeb vibes. Especially because Stu's motivation seems to be to curry favor with Billy. If you add in neglect from his parents maybe having Billy in his life was even more important because he didn't have his parent's love and therfore Billy's "love" was all important to him.
@A-2SL
@A-2SL 6 ай бұрын
Kevin Williamson himself has confirmed that he wrote Stu and Billy’s characters based off of Leopold and Loeb.
@billymoore7182
@billymoore7182 9 ай бұрын
Stu Marcher is The Joker of Scream. His motive was it was fun.
@GR-ic7mt
@GR-ic7mt 9 ай бұрын
One thing is always true for people with fractured relationships with their parents they will always do anything for that unconditional love that they felt like they never got it can make them manipulaters but also incredibly easy marks for others to manipulate The urge to be accepted can do wild things
@johnbest1978
@johnbest1978 9 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for a back story/history video about Stu Macher he's my favorite Ghostface killer by far and Matthew Lillard is my favorite actor and I can't wait to meet him and get my picture taken with him and Skeet Ulrich in November at Monster Mania Con in Philadelphia Pennsylvania and I'm meeting the entire main cast of Scream also. The only one that will not be there is Rose McGowan. Awesome video and thank you so much for posting it I've been waiting for a long time for a video like this about Stu. Thank you again and have a Screamful day.
@Terrible0x0Trivium
@Terrible0x0Trivium 7 ай бұрын
Wow.
@donavinrodriguez6288
@donavinrodriguez6288 9 ай бұрын
I hope Sidney and Stu returns in Scream 7
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 8 ай бұрын
Facts
@mattgrisham9058
@mattgrisham9058 6 ай бұрын
Stu is dead, these movies are based in reality.
@donavinrodriguez6288
@donavinrodriguez6288 6 ай бұрын
@@mattgrisham9058 if these movies were based on reality Chad would be dead because he literally got stabbed 12 times.
@mattgrisham9058
@mattgrisham9058 6 ай бұрын
Stus dead
@donavinrodriguez6288
@donavinrodriguez6288 6 ай бұрын
@@mattgrisham9058 maybe
@sqreaky2267
@sqreaky2267 9 ай бұрын
Stu is the best
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 8 ай бұрын
Oh now y'all appreciate him? Lol
@megcollier3588
@megcollier3588 9 ай бұрын
Every time I see one of these vids I end up wanting to watch the movies again
@GachaFNaF_04MyMainChannel
@GachaFNaF_04MyMainChannel 9 ай бұрын
Stu is my favourite killer and I want to see Stu Macher return to scream 7 as mastermind for one final movie!
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 8 ай бұрын
Finally a actual scream fan 🔥#STULIVES
@MrRockstar402
@MrRockstar402 8 ай бұрын
I think Stu became forgotten for a simple reason: he actually survived and his wealthy parents paid the police to cover it up. As far as how Stu could have beaten whatever charges were thrown at him: that's simple too, he could have gone witness for the prosecution, sold out Billy and gotten off with little to no jail time, which would be ironic since Billy's plan was to sell out Stu if he got caught (as revealed by the real mastermind Roman Bridger, director...and Sidney's brother).
@jessebaker2769
@jessebaker2769 6 ай бұрын
I think it's more Stu being forgotten because (until Scream 5 confirmed he was dead as an Easter egg visual), they were wanting to keep him open for usage down the line after they forgot to confirm his death in the first film. Especially since it's well known that they planned on bringing him back for Scream 3 until studios axed the original plan for the film due to Columbine. I've always taken the stance that Stu was put into a coma when the TV fell on his head as a way to bring him back down the line, as far as the character being in a coma and written off as far as suffering irreversible brain damage meaning he would never wake up (or at least be comatose until the series needed him to return). Which would explain why there was no trial if he lived (as a trial would have consumed all of Sydney and the others free time meaning her and Randy couldn't go to college) let alone Gail getting Cotton out of jail as quickly as she did after Scream 1 since I'm sure Stu would have denied his confession to Sydney that he and Billy framed Cotton purely for the evilulz. Ironically, in-universe, infamous hack director Rian Johnson is implied to have brought Stu back for the Stab movie that set off the events of Scream 5 as Lillard voiced Ghostface in the clip that was shown in Scream 5 as far as Stu returning to kill people as a flamethrower wielding Ghostface.
@MrRockstar402
@MrRockstar402 6 ай бұрын
@@jessebaker2769 that visual was in 6 and there's a simple explanation for why that's not a confirmation: it's established that Stu's parents were wealthy enough to have him declared dead and then kept him in hiding all this time. Gale even implies that with her "cops like money" line. And the dialogue during Ghostface's call with Gale has Stu written all over it, in fact, most believe Stu was the one who actually attacked Gale, not Quinn. And the evidence for that is pretty obvious; there's no way Quinn could have taken a cast iron skillet to the face and showed no sign of it or be strong enough to throw Gale's boyfriend through a bookcase. Stu, on the other hand, could. I've also heard theories that Stu could be working with another not-so-dead Ghostface killer: that being Charlie Walker, who like Stu is largely forgotten in universe.
@claudiam4500
@claudiam4500 8 ай бұрын
Probably looking too much into it but if Stu has a sister where is she? You think if there's a curfew the sister would be home around the same time the party was happening. I feel like the writers of scream 5 just threw the character in to link Vince and his death to a legacy character so that in S7 they have a reason to bring Stu back... remember it all goes back to the beginning. Also, I think the last part of the parents note says P.S find the dog. Or am I the only one that See's that?
@devolvame81
@devolvame81 8 ай бұрын
No, it does say "P.S. feed the dog" lol Poor creature, where the hell was that dog on that night I wonder...
@claudiam4500
@claudiam4500 8 ай бұрын
@@devolvame81 or how long has that note been up?
@A-2SL
@A-2SL 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, it says PS feed the dog which gets me thinking, where is the dog? What happened to it? It also shows how Stu had to do most household chores and may make it more apparent why he didn’t want his parents to be mad. And about his sister, I think it’s likely Stu was the younger sibling and his sister had already moved out at that point.
@jamesparks3967
@jamesparks3967 9 ай бұрын
I swear to god you get these characters so much
@tonybrittingham237
@tonybrittingham237 9 ай бұрын
Stu is my favorite ghost face
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 8 ай бұрын
Is he really y'all hate him
@RetroSanctuary
@RetroSanctuary 7 ай бұрын
I agree that the idea of Stu being nothing but Billy's henchman is kind of untenable, in reality Stu is even more detached from reality than Billy is, he really does just act like the whole thing is a game, that they're just "playing make believe" so to speak, at least Billy has the sense to not explain how to kill someone in the manner of the killer days after carrying out the murder! Stu is completely in lala land. I've heard some psychologists refer to Stu as a pseudo-psychopath, this is apparently a kind of psycho that is caused by head trauma and damage to the prefrontal cortex, which affects your judgement. So my head cannon is that Stu was neglected by his family and suffered some kind of head trauma, by accident or from his father, or maybe even Billy many years prior if they were friends for a long time.
@cooperminion825
@cooperminion825 7 ай бұрын
I wonder if he fell on or around the stairs as a kid? I've heard people say that stairs are the most common spot in the house for childhood accidents. Little Stu could've been trying to walk along the upper bannister and fell the wrong way. The babysitter could've covered it up by taking him to a hospital outside Woodsboro so his parents wouldn't find out
@crabdip6864
@crabdip6864 9 ай бұрын
Man i really hope stu comes back in scream 7
@Banooner
@Banooner 9 ай бұрын
I don’t have money right now, but in the future, I’d like to cosplay as Stu for Halloween (the clothes he wears during his reveal). Does anyone know where to get his bracelet, necklace, and pants? I believe I have all the other items bookmarked but those ones are difficult to find.
@Matter-Dark
@Matter-Dark 8 ай бұрын
I assumed Stu was the younger sibling and his sister was the first born. We don’t see her at all, as she was probably moved out by then.
@Ian-tx7nl
@Ian-tx7nl 8 ай бұрын
1. I Hope He Returns In Scream 7 As One Of The Ghostface Killers. 2. He Is Both Broken And Pure Evil.
@deanyisbored8458
@deanyisbored8458 9 ай бұрын
I stu wasnt actually psycho, he just wanted attention. I feel this is truly shown when hes scared of his parents being mad at him instead of the cops. This also makes kt easier for me to believe he was so easily convinced by billy to commit the kills they did
@saucecain1207
@saucecain1207 8 ай бұрын
What ? Lmao stu is pyscho if you don’t call the 3rd act behavior crazy idk what to believe😂😂😂and him being afraid of his parents makes him even more crazy and out of touch with reality cause any sane person would worry about law enforcement
@dizzydwarf2002
@dizzydwarf2002 9 ай бұрын
genuine question no one ive seen talk about- if roman orchestrated all of this why wasnt he the killer in scream two? was it just the timeline of it all that mrs loomis beat him to another killing spree or what was his waiting? for me that was why scream three felt rushed
@jamespope7669
@jamespope7669 8 ай бұрын
Roman was a retcon in Scream 3 and orchestrated Maureen. Billy & Stu were responsible for Woodsboro murders and Mickey & Mrs Loomis were responsible for the Windsor college murders. Roman had nothing to do with them killing sprees, he wasn't Ghostface until scream 3
@markrobinson9394
@markrobinson9394 7 ай бұрын
Because Roman didn’t exist until the writers needed him to in Scream 3, and the plot completely undercut what Billy and Stu achieved in the original. 🤦‍♂️
@dizzydwarf2002
@dizzydwarf2002 7 ай бұрын
@@markrobinson9394 i agree!
@C0rv1dBon3Z
@C0rv1dBon3Z 5 ай бұрын
@@markrobinson9394 literally!
@lebrondavis1420
@lebrondavis1420 2 ай бұрын
I see it as Roman didn’t really think billy and stu would go on a full blown murder spree he probably thought they’d kill Maureen and be done with it and as far as Mickey and Nancy goes he probably didn’t pay attention to the murders at that time that’s just my guess
@okumurayu8647
@okumurayu8647 4 ай бұрын
great video. stu is the character in scream that i find most interesting so far, and your video gives me another hindsight of him that i never think of
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 8 ай бұрын
I can't believe people don't like him/wanna see him again he's the goat bring him back i say fck the haters #STULIVES
@pleaseshutup7053
@pleaseshutup7053 7 ай бұрын
Who doesn’t like Stu he’s craziness after the reveal is the best part of scream lol
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 7 ай бұрын
@@pleaseshutup7053 well tell that to the people who is pushing way to hard to not see him again then lol #STULIVES
@pleaseshutup7053
@pleaseshutup7053 7 ай бұрын
@@jayshannon9706 whoever don’t want stu back isn’t a real scream fan #STULIVES
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 7 ай бұрын
@@pleaseshutup7053 facts 🔥#STULIVES
@ToddSweeney341
@ToddSweeney341 9 ай бұрын
Interesting 🤔🤔 Thanks for the post very nice to hear a background for Stu from Scream 😀😀
@miniworld82
@miniworld82 Ай бұрын
the way you say Macher is actually heaven to my ears
@patrickdempsy14
@patrickdempsy14 9 ай бұрын
Instant click
@MatteoBiondillo
@MatteoBiondillo 6 ай бұрын
I've also read an article that suggests that Stu's motive was misogyny. Highly recommend it.
@ryanking8227
@ryanking8227 9 ай бұрын
Great backstory Video If you can, you should do a backstory video on Charlie Walker
@corinthianswhite860
@corinthianswhite860 9 ай бұрын
Stu macher the forgotten ghostface killer is the saddest in tragic story I ever heard in my life 🥺
@princesslopez4335
@princesslopez4335 8 ай бұрын
Wow your good I actually started to feel bad for Stu!
@Razzberry_dollz
@Razzberry_dollz 9 ай бұрын
Also only Stu was left alone not Leslie who has to be around Stu age
@BunnieSmalls
@BunnieSmalls 7 ай бұрын
I loved Stu. Great analysis!
@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE
@NationalSportsEntertainmentNSE 7 ай бұрын
I like how the note was essentially "don't screw up" I feel like he was more neglected than abused. Billy likely optimized on this
@moonlightgemsart6071
@moonlightgemsart6071 6 ай бұрын
I find Stu genuinely terrifying. I get proper Columbine vibes from him. It's as if the enormity of his actions aren't real to him. When he comments that his parents are going to be mad at him, it goes to show how detached from everything he is, and seriously, the thought of people out there that are like that is horrific!
@TheAmateurEditor
@TheAmateurEditor 3 ай бұрын
I know Scream was filmed 3 years before Columbine so it's obviously not a case of 'art imitating life' , but I too get those vibes. Maybe it's just the part of the human brain that tries to detect patterns, but I can't help but see a resemblance between Lillard and Klebold (tall, lanky, bit of a goof-ball, big eyes and massive smile) as well as an eerie resemblance of the dynamic between the two sets; Billy seemed to be the one with all the rage and wanted to take it out on the world like Harris, and he appeared to be the driving force behind the massacre. To play armchair psychologist, I don't think Stu would have killed without Billy and I don't think Klebold would have killed without Harris.
@ET-xj3qq
@ET-xj3qq 8 ай бұрын
Stu has always been a snack. Cmon Shaggy.
@GOJIRAFAN-od5zk
@GOJIRAFAN-od5zk 8 ай бұрын
I personally believe in Scream 7, Leslie will be "back" to avenge Stu and her son, Vince. Maybe in her mind, Billy manipulated Stu and she blames Sam for Vince's death just because Sam is Billy's daughter and she wantst to kill everyone because she thinks it'll stop anymore Stab movies from being made and erase Ghostface for good.
@AnthonySforza
@AnthonySforza 7 ай бұрын
Im going to be super honest... I have deen every Scream movie, but that was a whole list of unfamiliar names. Had you not mentioned being Billy's daughter, I wouldnt have kniwn who Sam was.
@jennix8666
@jennix8666 6 ай бұрын
This is one of my theories for 7, she literally lost her brother and son to these Ghostface killings, I can see her believing that Billy manipulated Stu into it as well
@GOJIRAFAN-od5zk
@GOJIRAFAN-od5zk 6 ай бұрын
@@jennix8666 That's exactly what I was thinking
@rickyford8707
@rickyford8707 6 ай бұрын
Getting a Macher back in the movie as a killer is the closest we will get to STU. ill take it. Especially since the Carpenter sisters are out. @@jennix8666
@joeski1073
@joeski1073 5 ай бұрын
Sam gas been removed from the film now sadly
@myersfan5043
@myersfan5043 9 ай бұрын
Seated for stu
@davidmanning2859
@davidmanning2859 6 ай бұрын
I always thought that stu was gay and in love with Billy. That is why stu helped billy in the killings. I think billy knew stu was in love with him and manipulated that to his advantage. In an interview with skeet and matt they hint that they played it like Billy and Stu were together. I think rage stabbing stu was him in away repressing his feelings for stu. Kevin Williamson who wrote the script is in fact gay, i think he intented that with those characters as a commentary on being gay and afraid of how people/ society along with themselves would see someone gay.
@TheAmateurEditor
@TheAmateurEditor 3 ай бұрын
I think you're doing Williamson a disservice with that theory. He's always proclaimed his love for horror/slasher and, to my knowledge at least, has never been a crusader for gay writers/characters/plots. He doesn't write gay characters any more than he writes 'straight' characters, he simply writes individuals and leaves their sexuality out of it unless it's necessary (ex. in order for the dynamic of the 5 main teens to work, they all had to be heterosexual). Obviously today EVERYONE has to insert 'the message' into every form of 'artistic expression' regardless of the context or the story, but this was back in the 90s were shockingly, most viewers didn't care about identity politics, they just wanted to be entertained.
@AshlynxisAsh
@AshlynxisAsh 3 ай бұрын
@@TheAmateurEditor kevin williamson has kinda confirmed this he said they billy and stu where based on s Nathan Freudenthal Leopold Jr. and Richard Albert Loeb two mass murderers who where in a relationship with echother and neve cambell herself saying they where "pretty confused guys" and the interviewer asked "Was Stu more in love with Billy than the other way around?" Wich neve replied "yeah , yeah , yes" . Also in scream two the way randy made a remark about billy being homo repressed . But all is said if you want to not see it that way you absolutely. (I also want to add that at emerald city comic con 2023 matthew lillard said "stu and billy where definitely gay , also i will add the intervewis and sources if you want but you can search it up as there are dozens of articles about it)
@TheAmateurEditor
@TheAmateurEditor 2 ай бұрын
@@AshlynxisAsh Interesting, when did Williamson say who he based the duo on? Lillard and Campbell are both very vocal SJWs, so I'm a bit apprehensive about taking their views on the subject as accurate rather than them retroactively projecting their own personal politics. Obviously if Williamson himself says he wrote the characters as closeted gay but it just didn't come out very well on film, then I'll have to take him at his word, but again, given the recent explosion of identity politics being the main drive for clout and relevance in Hollywood, I do have to wonder if Williamson is simply retconing this as a means to get back onto the A-List, as he's long been relegated to TV for the last 15 odd years.
@AshlynxisAsh
@AshlynxisAsh 2 ай бұрын
@@TheAmateurEditor some killers named Leopold and Loeb where gay murderers its like 4 am for me so i would right more but im half asleep but if you dont believe me just search who is billy and stu based on and there is a bunch of articles abt it
@blackphillip8486
@blackphillip8486 6 ай бұрын
My favorite Matthew Lillard movie is Animal Room. His portrayal of Douglas Van Housen is amazing.
@ManiacsOrigins
@ManiacsOrigins 7 ай бұрын
Just wanna say, I love your videos! They've helped me so much in learning more about my favorite Slasher's and are just awesome! (P.s. Thought I might say I happen to be the 666th like ;-; lol)
@ThatSoundedScary
@ThatSoundedScary 9 ай бұрын
Hey Alex, when is your Scream novelization supposed to be out?
@Kaki4w
@Kaki4w 9 ай бұрын
Yay one of first ones
@Jmetvwells
@Jmetvwells 9 ай бұрын
What scene had the dolls in the background? I don’t recognize that at all. Sidenote: incredible video as always!
@KARTOONOG
@KARTOONOG 9 ай бұрын
The scene where stu chases Sidney to the attic.
@Jmetvwells
@Jmetvwells 9 ай бұрын
Thank you! I don’t know why but I totally forgot the attic part. I was thinking she just ran downstairs Haha now I remember she goes through the attic window, falls off the roof and lands on the boat then sees Tatum. Give me a min and I’ll get there Haha
@wrestlingwithjay3770
@wrestlingwithjay3770 7 ай бұрын
Flashback in the late September of 2023
@111griffin
@111griffin 14 күн бұрын
His parents failed him and favoured his sister. While neglecting his emotional and physical development. I have no doubt stu was very intelligent, and a bit of a (Jester) charmer. The interrogation of stu and his background story is everything within this case! I’ve rewatched everything. In scream 6, he attacked gale using. Steady, steady, one, step, at, a, time, attack. Who taught him that? And stu’s uncomfortable in his own skin. Yet, so dangerous. This made me cry, as it wasn’t easy being strange in those times. Brain not Braun, and not yet, in-between. His dad and mum hurt him, which gave room for billy to groom and manipulate him. I need to know, was stu into homosexual acts? Did his mum turn a blind eye. Did Becker find out he liked billy and dumped him? Stu even dressed liked casey, all throughout the movie after her death. Odd. Then he comes to find out, Billy’s using him. Realising, Becker never told anybody. And finding out billy used him, after billy killed Tatum and realistically, only tatum. And everyone’s sad story is more important than his. And the thought of his parents coming home. Steady, steady. The realisation of his mum and dad broke him. After being this kind of killer!!! Is questionable. And it’s not far, fetched to question. He’s a big man now, he can look after himself, now. Stu’s so smart and intelligent, that he even knows what he’s become. Stu will always be ghost-face. Roman got to take the credit, like billy got to. Stu also killed the principal due to the principal expelling two of his close friends from school. Which billy wasn’t apart of. I believe Stu developed schizophrenia and psychosis and developed a personality mask to hide behind. I need to know his background to have better understanding of his identity.
@Steffi.Morgenstern.5388
@Steffi.Morgenstern.5388 9 ай бұрын
Love the video, but I think the sister - Leslie - was the older one. Maybe, since wie know she had at least one Child herself, the events coincide with the birth of said child. Or another.
@qazmko22
@qazmko22 Күн бұрын
With this many killers in Woodsboro... there must be something in the water.
@GHOSTY_EDIT
@GHOSTY_EDIT 9 ай бұрын
This woud be cool but it woud be a bigger surprise if someone else comes back they always do
@rachelraquel758
@rachelraquel758 8 ай бұрын
You should team up with “CZs world” for a horror history!
@lynnerose7891
@lynnerose7891 7 ай бұрын
I’m hoping they leave the franchise alone now. This was the best Scream. Leave it alone. Leave it up to the imagination, about Stu.
@Lovely_Lad
@Lovely_Lad 6 ай бұрын
When I saw “TRAGIC” in the title I immediately pressed on this video
@JazyNerdyGirlReacts
@JazyNerdyGirlReacts 8 ай бұрын
Well Stu isn't dead so I guarantee we will see him soon enough, and there is a pic of stu all scared up, and its believed stu killed duey in S5 cause if you remember in S1 stu said it takes a man to gut someone and also said it was an honor also the height was taller than duey amber was much shorter and amber was a more frantic style, plus stu killing style was gutting people.
@Tatteredghost96
@Tatteredghost96 6 ай бұрын
We never go to Billy's house either, Sids room is upstairs but Billy always enters and leaves through the window
@joeski1073
@joeski1073 5 ай бұрын
I honestly would not mind if they brought Stu back and visit him in some jail or mental health facility. Use him to get into the mind of their new killer.
@Dunlaper
@Dunlaper 5 ай бұрын
As a child of divorce. Loved not having parents at home. Get off the bus and nuke up some nuggets and watch South Park. Billie & Stu are little babies.
@AnthonySforza
@AnthonySforza 7 ай бұрын
Ohhhh shit... I never noticed that note about his birthday. Rumor has it, Lillard may be back for the next one. While I would be glad to see hin back in some capacity, how they've handled Billy in the last two, doesnt inspire unwavering enthusiasm.
@tutstut6909
@tutstut6909 6 ай бұрын
Has anyone done a video on if events had gone According to Billy and Stu’s plan . Would they actually got away with ?it considering their finger prints where on the cloned cellphone Sidney’s Dad would surely of shown evidence of being tied up etc ?
@paulcarpenter7844
@paulcarpenter7844 9 ай бұрын
Stew is a sidekick at best and it's already proven and that's it as much as I love the character people got to get over the fact
@TheRealNormanBates
@TheRealNormanBates 6 ай бұрын
"Billy.. I think you stabbed me too deeply!"
@1bwash
@1bwash 8 ай бұрын
How much weight do you give to the actors commenting on their characters in interviews? I believe Matthew Lilard has stated he played the character as though he was romantically in love with Billy. I think that adds to the neglect from his parents and his fear of rejection which allowed Billy to manipulate him more easily.
@blackmarya
@blackmarya 7 ай бұрын
Was looking for this comment ,thanks for mentioning. Yeah Matthew Lillard has said stu is gay when asked on panels at conventions and him and Skeet joke a lot about the characters getting together if they both lived. Major motive for Stu helping Billy
@pleaseshutup7053
@pleaseshutup7053 7 ай бұрын
Lol stu gay?
@Rishi_Jena
@Rishi_Jena 4 ай бұрын
To sum up Stu's mommy & daddy neglected him & his girlfriend left him but Billy he saw a friend who needed him. But what happened to his sister?
@cinegame25
@cinegame25 8 ай бұрын
Without forget his death was real and comic
@drewmcwhortor4804
@drewmcwhortor4804 6 ай бұрын
I just refuse to accept the end of Scream 3 as cannon lol. Doesn't change your analysis, I just don't accept that Roman told Billy anything. 4-6 pretty much do the same thing, so it's easy to just operate off the idea that Roman over exaggerated his involvement in the first two movies lol.
@2011americanman
@2011americanman 7 ай бұрын
Exactly. The first two murders in the first scene were stews choice.
@bernieheartdragon1888
@bernieheartdragon1888 7 ай бұрын
Is this you made up or like, written somewhere?
@certified_l0ser
@certified_l0ser 7 ай бұрын
I can relate to stu with having neglectful parents
@garethchaplin3780
@garethchaplin3780 8 ай бұрын
I've heard that Stu's mam was no sharon stone 👐🙏👐
@TheDamien124
@TheDamien124 8 ай бұрын
The tv could have come unplugged wouldn’t u think the power would have went out because of the tvs electricity shocked him the way it did so it would have taken the power out I think it came unplugged to be honest with you and knocked him out
@shanehall8606
@shanehall8606 7 ай бұрын
Man I hope they bring him back for 7. They eluded to it in 6
@Nick_315_Palumbo
@Nick_315_Palumbo 7 ай бұрын
Shoulda been a prequel
@Eficiente_VSB
@Eficiente_VSB 6 ай бұрын
I wouldn't go as far as to say "tragic", it's some steps below tragic.
@shanesullivan460
@shanesullivan460 6 ай бұрын
Besides, we all know Stu was a Cereal Killer long before Billy came along.
@Screamverse420
@Screamverse420 9 ай бұрын
Really enjoy this video, as a gf deepfake content creator, I hope I can live up to the bar you set
@Hotrocket85
@Hotrocket85 2 ай бұрын
I always felt bad for stu for some reason
@theMightyWhytey
@theMightyWhytey 7 ай бұрын
I assumed these kids were based off the columbine shooters. Then I checked the dates… this might of just been how teenagers were in the 90’s
@pleaseshutup7053
@pleaseshutup7053 7 ай бұрын
They were based on 2 killers from the 30s forgot their names
@frowningbuffalo6286
@frowningbuffalo6286 23 күн бұрын
Is it possible that Stu was actually the psychopath and he manipulated Billy into doing it? Billy had motive Stu could have just been pulling the strings to ultimately kill Billy and pin it all him
@Justmoveonbro999
@Justmoveonbro999 6 ай бұрын
Yo I’ve never noticed the dolls
@mikewhite8663
@mikewhite8663 8 ай бұрын
Because stu has been in every single movie I said stu is in every single movie he is ghost face which is a person in a mask so sometimes it was probably Matthew or someone else and Mathew has always said he would return and Mathew Wes and Kevin confirmed that stu was alive when scream 3 was released but they decided not to reveal stu or do the stu storyline because of columbine shootings so stu is definitely alive it was only electricity he woke up later and escaped and he did the movie theater killings in the opening of 2 he ether killed or kidnapped randy in 2 see the script for 7 needs to have mindy find vhs tapes one of them titled stu and randy showing what happened to randy be a Blair witch style section of 7 and that reveals to the group that stu and randy are very much alive and they find stu training ghost faces and we learn that stu killed cotton in 3 and attacked Sydney because stu is the only one that would have known where Sydney was and explain what he did in 4 5 and 6 that would make all of 7 about stu completely and his cult and that is mirroring 3 and doing the original 3 that never released
@pleaseshutup7053
@pleaseshutup7053 7 ай бұрын
I like this idea
@cooperminion825
@cooperminion825 7 ай бұрын
I agree with everything except for Randy. Mrs Loomis admitted to killing him bc he was shit talking Billy
@SailorRoseRed
@SailorRoseRed 5 ай бұрын
Poor Stu :(. I don't like Billy becuse of this....I feel so bad for Stu....
@shervongaskins1148
@shervongaskins1148 5 ай бұрын
Ok I figured Stu killed Casey once we found out that was his ex…my question is Stu had a sister?? Where was she, how old is she? How did I miss this??🤔
@Deisi666
@Deisi666 6 ай бұрын
I thought Stue had a younger sister ? According to what I’ve in the past Leslie is older.
@Caliboo29
@Caliboo29 8 ай бұрын
Y'all act like this real life they probably laughing at y'all it's called acting
@davidbutler1622
@davidbutler1622 7 ай бұрын
In the book Billy and Stu have a sexual relationship. It gets very graphic.
@Frangular
@Frangular 3 ай бұрын
Book?
@davidbutler1622
@davidbutler1622 3 ай бұрын
@@Frangular there’s a Scream novel written by Wes craven. It goes deeper into Billy and Stu being in a gay relationship. If they’d survived, Stu was booked in to transition and then join the USA Olympic women’s swim team. It was a real tear jerker.
@andreblomberg67
@andreblomberg67 5 ай бұрын
Stu was a victim who deserved better
@sixxx1250
@sixxx1250 6 ай бұрын
Im sick of hearing constantly its always the parent's fault.
@jayshannon9706
@jayshannon9706 8 ай бұрын
The most hated ghostface ever #STULIVES
@Frangular
@Frangular 3 ай бұрын
So his ex cheated him, but why he wanted to kill Sidney then?)
@spac59
@spac59 9 ай бұрын
🗿
@RichardSmith-dl2dk
@RichardSmith-dl2dk 6 ай бұрын
Young Stu looks like before he was a killer, he was some KZbinr obsessed with making theory videos about FNAF. Well that’s “just a theory”
@santiagorodriguez4112
@santiagorodriguez4112 2 ай бұрын
KZbin in the 90s? Good joke
@ojar91
@ojar91 9 ай бұрын
For all the career obsessed ppl, dont have kids. Clearly u not cut out for it.
@BigChuco408
@BigChuco408 6 ай бұрын
I think stu and billy low key were zesty together 😂
@MatteoBiondillo
@MatteoBiondillo 6 ай бұрын
That's a queer subtext directly from Kevin Williamson himself.
@BigChuco408
@BigChuco408 5 ай бұрын
@@MatteoBiondillo wht you diva boy
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