Knowing the Bike Park Basics at Snow Summit

[@Aliveandwelll]

I think I’m more concerned abt people making fun of my shitty bike UPDATE: I went and brought my hard tail and also rented a FS bike. First run with the hard tail was sketchy, but it was fun. Coming from a BMX background, I quickly progressed on the trails. The rental bike was a whole different world. It was my first time ever on a full suspension and it was amazing. So amazing that it convinced me to buy a Giant Trance. Already went up to Snow Summit for a second time and wiped out on Turtle but was still fun. While I think everyone should ride a hard tail at some point, spend the extra money for a rental full suspension bike at least once to experience it.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Nah - we've all been there I think...

[@skibikehike7364]

There’s no bike-shaming at the bike park. Ride the bike you have!

[@ShrimpDaddys]

I think it's awesome when people have shitty equipment and are still out sending it. We all gotta start somewhere

[@mtb_noobie1230]

What you ride doesn't matter. It's just about fun fun fun

[@TomJonesNoIDontSing]

I sported my 2012 26er for 8 years before upgrading. Hit Mammoth 2-3 times a year on that bike and could still blow past guys on way better builds. I think it makes you a better rider when you do decide to upgrade. Ride what you have and can afford and have fun doing it.

[@boltonhouse1]

When I first bought my hardtail (Giant Talon), I took it here and survived all the blue and green trails. You can make it down the mountain. I would imagine a full suspension would be a lot more fun though!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

You said it Garret.

[@ryder2445]

I got one too lol

[@allanb.1966]

Tony, I am going up for my first time this week. I am a little nervous. I appreciate you showing me the ropes.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

You got this buddy!

[@joeydlc]

You rock Tony, been a fan of yours since the early skate days, I got into mountain biking and stumbled upon your channel and was so surprised it was the same guy I knew from skating. Skaters rule the world! Much love

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

That is awesome! Thanks Joey!

[@pacificroblox]

I just went riding 3 days ago! It was my first time at a downhill bike park, and it was amazing! I rode turtle trail once, and going Green twice. It was a blast! :D

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Great job!

[@pacificroblox]

Thanks!

[@angelar9229]

Dude your videos are top notch!! Your video on the Santa Cruz Flow Trail helped me navigate that place especially because I went solo. Now I'm definitely going to check this place out!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

❤️✔️😉👊👍

[@RMATRO22]

My son and I are looking forward to our first trip to Snow Summit. This is a great video for an introduction to a bike park and the beginner trails. Our goal is to ride Going Green, Turtle Trail and Blue Steel. Can't wait and keep up the great work on your videos. It's so helpful and give everyone a great perspective on what to expect.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Glad it was helpful!

[@dank3823]

Most dangerous thing about mountain biking isn't always the trail but other riders. You spun by them quite well... and speedy. Good riding Tony. 🤙

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Thanks Dan - you said it.

[@piqtu.multimedia]

So Good! Thanks for breaking things down in terms we beginners can understand! I'm inspired to go to Big Bear!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Glad it was helpful!

[@SiRBov]

Hi Tony. Stopping in at all the mtb channels that I've watched to say thanks for pushing to me to finally buy a bike. Just put a down payment on the updated Ibis Ripmo AF with Deore instead of NX. I'm fat, 55 and totally out of shape and this is my first bike as an adult. It's my mid-life crisis purchase I guess and maybe my best chance to get into some kind of shape besides round. THANKS!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Awesome Scott! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@SiRBov]

@@TheOutsiderMTB And I'm local. I live in Yorba Linda so, aside from the Fullerton Loop Chino Hills is my intermediate goal.

[@_Jake.From.Statefarm_]

Hahah I decided to keep it mellow on a run before lunch and take going green cause I never had taken it, we were doing laps on blue steel as it had just opened all day. My chain came off and my brother and his buddies ended up way ahead of me.. fast forward to 3/4 of the way down the trail where those whoopy jumps are.. yeah.. over confident and not following basic new trail logic, I went flying through jumping them.. into locking out my brakes and flying over that sharp right turn at the end. Magically I didn't hit any trees or stumps and the climb out was like straight up lol.. shook me up the rest of the day.. It taught me something.. you can ride the hardest trains and most difficult features but if you let up your guard and get over confident on trails you don't know.. you can get even more hurt than the latter... bike ended up at the shop for the rest of the day too... while I was nursing a few sore bones, pride, and some bruises.. Lesson learned lol.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

You said it Jake!

[@AdamMock]

Oh man you got me so pumped to finally hit Summit this Friday! And do it, give away jelly beans! Because who wouldn't want some sweet black, white, and red magic beans? ✌🏼🤟🏼

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Nice Adam! The magical fruit!!!

[@koho]

Tony - just love your channel. Great positive vibe, and so much good info for Socal riders (and any riders!) Hoping to head to Skypark next week, and this makes me want to tack on a day for Snow Summit.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Have fun!Thanks for being a part of this Koho!

[@Prod.Jetski]

Thanks for showing the process for putting the bike on the lift. A lot of videos leave that out!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Glad it was helpful! I remember it was something I use to wander myself, Jeff.

[@MTBMOR]

Great Video...U have amazing patience to make a video like this....I never realized that Going Green was one of the longest trails in the park..But in hindsight, it makes total sense.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Keithmeister9]

❤ this, Always looking out for the newbies. I appreciate you Tony. 😁👍

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

👊❤️

[@alex1231235]

Just went to Snow Summit and this is a perfect introduction. I wish I had watched it first! Tony, what do you think of Skyline? That one is a lot of fun!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

I love it! You'll like next week's video...

[@bonham4994sts9]

My bike part experience this past weekend was a horrible mud fest. I was still on the bike though 🤘

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

A day on the bike is better than not!

[@erichernandez4891]

Hit summit for the first time, warmed up and hit party wave at the end of the day and ate it bad, hopefully didn’t separate my shoulder. Still had fun though sick place

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Hope you're ok Eric!

[@independenttraveling]

i just booked at the oak knoll lodge for weekday getaway in August , excellent deal, thanks for the referral. I mentioned you and got a nice discount. All rooms have kitchens and some have a jacuzzi

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Good stuff! Enjoy Sean!

[@GR1MKA1]

HAHAHA Rolling Fensler Films into your video was great. Thanks for great content. I just got the whole family hard tails and we're looking to head up to some bike parks this summer, including Summit.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Have fun!

[@monicaausnit]

Nice, I didn’t know there was a bike park there. 😎

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

It's a great one!

[@johnporter9848]

I love the train horn sound effect 😂. How do you like those DMR grips?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Thanks! DMR grips - I'm on my third pair. Good stuff.

[@stronz73]

Nice to see you put up videos for us noobies. Also, I tried to book a room for the 22nd at the Oak Knoll Lodge for a family mini vacation, but unfortunately no vacancies. Plan to check out Snow Summit on the 12th, pretty stoked for that.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Good stuff - they are filming a show for this month, but will be open again August. Tell them I sent you Alex!

[@stronz73]

@@TheOutsiderMTB Gotcha Tony. Of course man, your the one who opened my eyes to it, and if it helps the channel I'm all for it sir.

[@Jumalten001]

Can you ride a Hardtail here?

[@Joesofly1]

I would say so, have ridden there a few times & the 2 easiest trails there are Going Green & Turtle Trail (hardtail friendly). The harder trails are do-able on a hardtail but full suspension would give you the best ride.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

😉

[@MTBMOR]

My daughter and wife ride hardtails here, but Tony is right about being tired on a hardtail. If you leave the park and ride the XC trails around the park a hardtail is perfect. The chairlift still is magic even if you don't ride the trails in the park.

[@MTBMOR]

@@TheOutsiderMTB I love how you knew this question was coming....You know your audience.

[@cesarmayorga8257]

Absolutely!!

[@cadet8376]

Going on Sunday!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Have fun!

[@50nollieman]

Thanks for the guide! Exactly what I was looking for :)

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

😉👊

[@mountaingoat8788]

Just went today both me and My Gf on Aggressive Hard tails Had Fun!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Glad you had a blast!

[@ethanlei8317]

i live next to snow summit, i kept watching cuz man your entertaining!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Ahh thanks for tuning in!

[@garrettimfeld5773]

I rode a hard trail there and it’s a blast! Me knees though say otherwise

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Ahhhhhh - i feel you!

[@johnvmtb5440]

Thanks for sharing, me im new on bike parks so i know what yo do.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

😉✔️

[@adamweb]

Subscribed for the G.I. Joe PSA edit, AMAZING!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Welcome aboard! You'll love next week's!

[@udontneedtoknow6816]

Nice.... Me and my boy can do the greens and blue all day.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

You got that right!

[@feldybikes]

Like for the GI Joe appreciation station. Pork chop sandwiches!!!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

👊!

[@drewsenthused6079]

Turtle looks to be just and it my speed, big open berms sorry ND great! Nice riding!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Ha thanks Drew!

[@drewsenthused6079]

@@TheOutsiderMTB No, thank you. Do you know what a DH rental runs? Then is it just the lift ticket?

[@mtb_noobie1230]

I love green trails!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Good times!

[@mtb_noobie1230]

@@TheOutsiderMTB yes sir

[@SoCalRyeder]

Great vids man, keep it up!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Appreciate it!

[@malditomalo619]

very informative, thank you👏😎

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

My pleasure!

[@mikesavicky503]

Great video!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Thanks Mike!

[@TheStrangersVlog]

Went for the first time two weeks ago and wish I woulda seen this then haha. How do you like the deathgrips by the way? I just got some snow camo ones in the thick variant, which ones are you running?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

This is my third pair - love them!

[@TheTSFChannel]

Epic ending!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Ha glad you liked it!

[@Jose-sy1je]

How much are the lift tickets at Snow Summit? Can I also avoid the charge by climbing up on trails on my bike?

[@KeithPetersen5]

How are the XC trails off the top? Any favorite routes from top?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

I wouldn't call them XC, but stay tuned for ext week's video!

[@Calispeedboi]

I’m a bear semi local I’d say let’s go ride but maybe next season

[@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam]

I just booked July 17-18 at Oak Knoll. Rates aren't too bad. Even an impoverished automation engineer like me can afford it. When I check in, I'll tell them that The Outsider sent me. I hope they don't throw me out lol

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Haha - they'll love that man! Tell them beforehand for the special treatment! hahaha

[@brv002]

8:07 shout out to the mom wearing jeans on a hardtail! 🤟😂

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

haha heck yeah!

[@mellissanash7517]

Are there trails to ride up the hill or do you have to use the lift? Do you have a video on snow valley? I've only skiied there.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Preferable to ride the lift up. Yes check out my California's Newest Bike Park vid for Snow Valley.

[@mellissanash7517]

@@TheOutsiderMTB Thank you. I like lifts, but I also like excising, downhill is that tasty cake afterwards.

[@TheRoamingHazard]

Somebody please translate what the GI joe guy said. Did he just jump out of the burning jeep to say hey move over yeeeaahhhh!!!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Hahahah

[@kcrides761]

Dope video Very informative 🤙🏽

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Glad you think so!

[@u5mon]

Lots of riders will rush behind you, if you are a first time rider be wary to pull over in a safe spot

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Yup.Good advice.

[@richardgrossman8581]

Do you ride the Conejo Valley??? There’s great trails out here. Chesebro Canyon, Los Robles and Sycamore Canyon to name a few. Let me know if you’re out this way. Thanks!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Not yet but thanks!

[@buttmanjenkins3972]

How often are you standing of your pedals vs sitting on your seat during these descents?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

If I’m going down I’m always up. 👍

[@sherm7456]

When you go to big bear/ snow summit. Where would you stay for easy out to lift and room?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

I stay at Oak Knoll - only a few minutes out.

[@sherm7456]

The Outsider MTB thank you

[@renev5858]

Hey Tony wat do u recommend. Dad with 2 kids 11 n 13yold got into mountain biking been hitting some of ur beginner trails around LA. They want to hit a bike park, never been to.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Hmm check out skypark. Very family friendly but you have a short pedal up. They just opened a new campground too. Snow Valley has some chill trails too and close to skypark.

[@renev5858]

@@TheOutsiderMTB Nice will be my first stop, ill be takimg my boys out this weeken ur vid have been very helpful... i just also upgraded my GT agressor to a CO-OP full suspension cant wait to try it out...

[@KingerUTube]

... G.I. Joe Public Service Announcements.. Are you serious.. Ok, you just officially leap frogged Paul The Punter in sick MTB video editing skills. #themoreyouknow #dontgivehimthestick #memememememememe #porkchopsandwiches

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Haha I love those too! Thanks Jeff! Don't give him the stick, GIVE HIM THE STICK!

[@AppleJack76]

Now I have the theme song stuck in my head, ALL DAY LONG!

[@dev_IL666]

Dam brother you are to nice lol. I would have yelled loud to get out of the way.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

😁

[@N8MRN]

Good thing you went GI Joe mode instead of Cobra mode on ‘em!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

😉👊

[@BasicBeachCommunity1]

Hi. How much is a one day bike and trail pass? I'm thinking of taking a trip with my son? I'm thinking room is maybe $100. Thanks

[@Yurppppppppp]

Full suspension is about $60-$70 a day, pass price varies based on the day but you can look that up online

[@schecterc1h]

Is it just the two trails at the green/blue level?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

There's some more - I'll cover those next week!

[@kasslove111]

its so nice

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Yup!

[@luxuryhomes8889]

i wanna try that SO BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Get it!

[@ScoutsOut]

should have watched this before I went lol

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Haha 👍😉

[@cesarmayorga8257]

My hands were in pain!😂

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Haha

[@Semtekk57]

"Pork chop sandwiches! "

[@marchochheim8299]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@BasicBeachCommunity1]

Are regular trails free?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

The lift access is what you pay the ticket for.

[@jonathandougherty3677]

So I’ve been going to Big Bear to camp my whole life and I have seen a few bear up here, but I would imagine the people traffic of the bike trails would keep them away. Can anyone comment on the Bear activity here?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

I just saw a mother and cubs at Oak Knoll, but have not seen any one the trails yet.

[@jonathandougherty3677]

The Outsider MTB Cool, I’m just getting into the sport with my wife and your videos help a lot! Thanks

[@MrLorenzoVids]

Any concerns about bears?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Nah it’s all good.

[@Calispeedboi]

My girlfriend has a hard tail that she does going green on but if we are going gnarly we rent her a bike.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Good stuff Peter.

[@chrisrides2203]

Im a smaller person (5'3) will they have rentals my size?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Yup they should. 👍

[@grahamarkell8078]

🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

[@TheLAKERSareGodsTeam]

It's too early!

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Haha you're right!

[@DEX-un7tx]

Do most bike parks allow ebikes?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

They’re starting to now yeah.

[@skiMTB]

Just tried to become a patreon, but the link keeps telling me I am already a patreon. But I've never been a patron on anybodies site. I tried 2 different emails too. Wanna call me to verify; and so I can become a part of your community? I live in Laguna Niguel. I'd love to get in on some group rides.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

It’s all through patreon I have no control. I’d suggest trying again and adding your info. Let’s get it!

[@rob1747]

Hey kid, I'm a computer.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Ahhhh you know it well Rob.

[@charpayn1915]

how's the tech? ill find more videos.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

👍👊

[@charpayn1915]

@@TheOutsiderMTB rad I watched a video by someone else of a sick double black I would love to ride there

[@giuliom8520]

Those Wally's standing in the middle of the trail and around blind Corners are enough to keep me away from this place.

[@niccolo_defendi]

hype

[@phoenixeasyrider6026]

How far from the lodge is the bike park?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

About a mile or two - 5 minutes.

[@jim6335]

Do you have to wear masks?

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

Not while you're riding.

[@jim6335]

Pink bike did a video on Whistler opening day. Whistler extremely organized and safe.

[@socalmtb3975]

Honestly if your a good intermediant rider don’t hit turtle cause the breaking numbs will ruin. U

[@impulseuphonium]

Are bike parks family friendly?🤣 I don't even need to watch this to know Snow Summit isn't family friendly. That place isn't even MTB rider friendly. Head to Mammoth if the fam wants to ride.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

So you're commenting on a video you have not watched. This vid is about all bike parks, but SS as an example. Give it a watch.

[@impulseuphonium]

The Outsider MTB The Outsider MTB ok. I watched. And to be honest, you proved my point on Turtle. Of the 5 people you passed, you slowed down and announced yourself to one of them. The rest you blew by (at very unsafe distances on two of them) and even took the time to say how they didn’t belong there. This is the culture at many bike parks - especially SS. And I get it, bike parks are for people that want to ride fast downhill, take lots of jumps, and rack up the PRs on Strava. I don’t think being part of this culture makes you a bad person - when you pay what these places charge, you want to get the most out of it. My point is simply that you posed the question about bike parks being family friendly and chose SS to answer it. As a husband and father to “Green” riders, and a subscriber to your channel, I want to engage in dialogue with you and share my experience that SS is NOT family friendly. They don’t have enough green trails, the trails they have progress very quickly, and the riders there blow by you and have zero tolerance for not bombing down the hill as fast as possible. This mentality discourages newer riders from the activity, and when it’s carried over to the local trails, people complain to land managers, and trails get shut down. People forget that when you leave the bike park, most trails are multi-use, and courtesy is the key to keeping the trails we love. I appreciate your videos and understand that having sponsors is the only real way to make money on this platform. But if you want to make a video about a SS, be real and honest about the culture of this place (ironically, I think you were without realizing it). If you want to make a video about family friendly bike parks, go to one that has a network of green trails where more advanced riders would never be on those trails and green riders can feel comfortable learning at their own pace.

[@TheOutsiderMTB]

I was using SS as an example and when I was flying by these rides were in the middle of the trail. I was pointing out to inform how you should never do that. By example I meant showing how bike parks have beginner and blue trails. Many people don’t know that. I’d say Skypark is definitely more mellow so maybe this would have been a better example. But yeah, obviously the culture at bike parks is more core than the local trails. There are people there specifically for mtb, instead of hikers sharing the trails, so going faster feels safer as to not run into them. As for saying the youngster didn’t belong there - this was true. He wasn’t ready for turtle yet and was below the skill level for that trail which made it unsafe for everyone. That’s why I made a point to show what the trails have before riding them. Like a visual map. I appreciate your feedback and do see how you’d feel that way about SS though. Of all the parks around I’d say this one has the most core of riders and can be intimidating. I think there should be more greens except the one for sure. 👍