Civil Service, Colonialism and failures in making a Pakistani state - Dr Ilhan Niaz - TPE # 130

[@RockStar-vw6bo]

He explained complex issues with outmost simplicity. "Simplicity taken to a certain level becomes elegance" !

[@omairmalik3186]

Dr. Ilhan should have his own series that every Pakistani child should be watching. He's a master at taking very dense material and making it easy to understand for the layperson. So many bad myths on Pakistani history busted effortlessly. I'll definitely buy his books now!

[@strangesniper007]

An balanced, unbiased/unemotional view supported by historical evidence identifying the root cause of issues instead of getting provoked by the symptoms. Informative discussion.

[@matriputra2624]

Very educative and truly Brilliant! As an Indian, I also appreciate that Dr Niaz sees Independent India in a balanced way rare in most Pakistanis, even educated ones.

[@muhammadaliclay8976]

sadly no such indians exist

[@matriputra2624]

@@muhammadaliclay8976 You will be surprised at the number of Indian (educated or otherwise) who bear no ill-will towards Pakistanis, knowing that their enmity with India is fostered by the Pak Army Generals, who aim to keep their own dominant position on Pak national life. We see ordinary Pakistanis with compassion, as people trapped in an ever-worsening situation that is not of their own making.

[@mohammaddastageer6950]

@@muhammadaliclay8976 We Indians never even think about Pakistan that Much.

[@medqueen1808]

@@matriputra2624 I would have agreed to this opinion 15 to 20 years back! Ur opinion for Pakistan and India in today’s world is wrong! Now India is becoming Pakistan and Pakistan is becoming India in mindsets. India is no more secular and the fuel is being added to fire by media and movies. U guys need to come to todays’s Pakistan When I came to USA I felt that we have been given a enemy image about Indians to create patriotism so that we can survive against a large country. But not now….

[@puneet7768]

@@medqueen1808 What a load of bullshit! How many Hindu Pakistani celebrities can you name?! Also, even your own dawn news said that 1000 Hindu girls are raped and converted every year in Pakistan!

[@Faiza-Irfan]

What a brilliant podcast!! Thanks so much Shehzad for giving us the best education ever!

[@Aslam1234kk]

Dr. Ilhan Niaz is true legend. A great historian. Very illuminating and knowledgeable talk by him. May we learn from him and also reform our Culture of Power according to his vision.

[@darthvader6737]

Truly outstanding. Please invite Dr. Ilhan more in future. He is so articulate in explaining the complex ideas. So easy to listen to. And to Dr. Ilhan, I would love to listen you more. Can you please start a podcast of your own? Stay safe!

[@UmerBashir]

Dr Iihan , is elegant in exploring history with facts at a very dofferent level ,

[@PhysConcept]

One of the best minds and intellectuals in Pakistan. My revered teacher Dr. Ilhan Niaz

[@erumsajid4414]

Thank you dr. Ilhan sahb, many comfused thinking got words to express. I am obliged and also to the host.

[@sheerazahmed-oq4oq]

Always enlightening to listen to Sir Ilhan. I have been lucky to have besn his student at QAU. ❤️

[@abhishekgupta-zs5zd]

I think this lecture has answered almost all my confusions very aptly.

[@sanatandharma8837]

AAp ARABUI MUSLIM ho ya TURKI MUSLIM? Aur aap pakistani muslim ke naam me Hindu surname kaise hai BAJWA,CHEEMA...App log kahi slawar qameez convert to nahi?

[@abhishekgupta-zs5zd]

@@sanatandharma8837 Bhai hr koi religion conversion se hi failta hai, be it hinduism, islam or christianity.

[@prashantp2029]

@@abhishekgupta-zs5zd Last time kab suna tha, kisi ne non-h!ndu ko h!nduism may converttt kardiya ho

[@abhishekgupta-zs5zd]

@@prashantp2029 Bhai pehli baat hinduism is a pagan religion or pagan religions mein basically conversion ka concept nahi hota, dusra India jiss land pr hai vo land furtile hai toh Indian ruling class ko kisi or country ko conquer krne ki jarurat nahi padi. Invasion humesha resourse rich land ka hota hai or uss invasion ko soldier ko justify krne mein religion role play krta hai. Agar india bhi arid land hota toh Hinduism bhi logo ko convert kr raha hota.

[@prashantp2029]

@@abhishekgupta-zs5zd 1. Abrahimic people term us pegan, we should stop looking and naming ourselves from their perspective. You can term Hinduism as dharma 2. You started with saying We don't have concept of conversion ended your comment saying we "would have converted if we had infertile soil. We never had or we will never force anyone to belive what we believe. 3. We did invade, and captured most of south east asia...but we never did what Isslamic invaders did to us. 4. Maratha's destroyed Mughals, but when they did...they didn't do conversions...if they had...there would have been no pak or ban carved out of our motherland.

[@sudhakotamraju708]

Such a balanced and sane POV. The guest is a rarity from Pakistan. A delight to hear his perspective. Great guest choice Shehzaad!

[@piyushjaiswal9283]

1:10:20 - more than awadh , Bihar (Magadh , Tirhut / videha )And Bhojpur provided rhe largest number of sepoys to the bengal army. It was bihar sepoys who were used as spring board to launch invasions into various states of modern UP. Rohillas , awadh were all crushed but the state of varansi survived - that was a proper purbiya vs purbiya fight were varansi prevailed. Chait singh was a hero.

[@vinayviking]

Woow, wonderful discussion!

[@TheZaheerChughtai]

Brilliant podcast, bookmarked it to watch again and again as well, wish you could do more of podcasts with Dr. Ilhan...

[@taymiaali3215]

This was addictive and I had to listen through till the end. Shahzad is it possible for the subtitles so I can share with extended networks? Thank you so much to Dr. Niaz 🙏

[@taymiaali3215]

@@ThePakistanExperience totally understandable and I commend you for your efforts ❤️ Thank You.

[@papskhan5541]

The only examination system that demands critical thinking and broad level analysis and involves so many other training aspects but practically makes the selected candidates vulnerable... Many of us are a victim of this so called merit based examination system... Good podcast as always.. .love and respect shehzad.

[@TariqMehmood-nz6jp]

Very educated talk. Loved it. Amazed by the breadth and depth of knowledge and relevance in present time. Thanks.

[@bharatchoudhary540]

It is so comical to see many Pakistanis praising Nehru so much and being cynical towards present regime of India .. because they have the same arguments against present Indian regime which Muslim league & Jinnah had against Nehru, Gandhi or Congress as a whole for that matter. Just imagine the kind of secularism that Nehru & Gandhi established in their time .. still was not good enough for Muslim elites to live as one nation. So, why praise them now? Now I am convinced that after 50 years from now that future generation of Pakistan will say that those Hindu nationalists of 2014 were also democracy enablers as they would step aside after losing elections not like our elites.

[@aashi9781]

Once again Great podcast from the information perspective but also with respect to the clarity with which he expressed his thoughts and views , it is so over the top . What Elegant way of speaking! Wish I had some.

[@indmusiclover]

We indians have been critiquing nehru and gandhi from day one. Its not new. V educated session. Nice to see a non-jazbathi pakistani.

[@khawarnadeem1807]

It could be done in months if not weeks (instead of 20 years) if an independent mind leads. Don't you think the process of Renaissance and Enlightenment is already underway towards Reformation!! Great enlightening talk. Wish to hear more of it.

[@umayr2935]

02:19:00 this.. most ppl ignore this fact, that whenever there is an overthrow, a vacuum is created, and in a vacuum, only the next most powerful dominates usually. That is why several "overthrows" result in a situation not expected at all, see Iraq, see Iran. Preaching your idea is the best way today, bcz if the majority didn't even accept your story, why would they implement in after the overthrow? and when the majority has accepted the narrative, they will dominate and change the hierarchy with or without and overthrow

[@Guftagu45]

Brilliant just, not finished it still but man words aren't enough to appreciate your efforts.

[@kashanosama]

This is Refreshingly amazingg. You sir are doing a great service of, pretty much recording a zeitgeist of our times and the times before.

[@sharjeeljawaid]

Eye opener. Jazakallah

[@iqballalani6931]

Dr. Ilhan Niaz is a very learned scholar but I didn't find him on tweeter to follow. One more question, why we didn't find these learned and educated scholars (including Uzair Younus, Dr. Shahram, Dr. Taimoor Rahman, Dr. Ishtiaq, and others whom you introduced here on your podcast) on electronic media? Please also arrange to invite Dr. Kaiser Bangali sometimes.

[@buckbeak7164]

My political leaning is a bit towards right these days...BUT I don't think anyone can erase and dent Nehru's image in india. I respect Nehru's way of thinking .

[@abhishekgupta-zs5zd]

Please, read his autobiography 'Towards Freedom'. The man had the mind of a philosopher and a poet in him.

[@nishantsrivastava2625]

Please see abhijit chavada about Nehru he is absolute nonsense

[@abhishekgupta-zs5zd]

@@nishantsrivastava2625 I will see Abijit Chavda but If any historian will regard him as nonsense then I will have to question the credibility of that historian because history is beyond good and evil. And I have read enough about Nehru that I know where he was wrong and where he was right. He was not perfect but he was not either unworthy too. As a personality, he was great, probably so much so that you would have liked spending your time with him if he was alive.

[@nishantsrivastava2625]

@@abhishekgupta-zs5zd I can see your romance with Nehru keep making good image in your mind reality is that he is not true leader but a selected one

[@narenderdhanda]

@@nishantsrivastava2625 still far better than modi

[@VK-zc2un]

Good analysis but his history is missing the decline of Mughals. By the time of Aurangzeb’s heirs down to Bahadur Zafar the last Mughal, the Delhi Empire was weak. Sikhs and Maharathas as well as various Iranian/Afghan states they were modernizing but they chose the wrong ally (French)

[@AbaseenPodcast]

It wasn't just "bad ally choice" there were structural problems as Dr. Ilhan pointed out. IMO, the Muslim elite were extractive and rotten to the core and that has not changed even after the Mughals and up into the 21st century. You see similar bahaviours in Pakistan to this very day.

[@knightf8648]

Arab conquest of sindh happened in 712,and most of arabs converted into Hinduism. Sindh was at the periphery of Bharatvarsh anyway. Real colonisation of India started from khilji empire. Even during 1200AD the southern empires of cholas were technologically advanced sea faring States. P. S. - check out the gini coeff during mughal times. Inequality was worse than dirt poor Elizabethian 15th cenrury England.

[@muhammadaliclay8976]

proof?? i dont think it happened.. hinduism makes zero sense if you are not born into it or if you are not born in india..

[@Haris-gh1kn]

@@muhammadaliclay8976 yeah I think so too. Hinduism is too mythical

[@prashantp2029]

@@muhammadaliclay8976 Exact same thing every Indian muslimms says

[@prashantp2029]

@@Haris-gh1kn Hmm 😂

[@ZAIN9858]

Just wow. One of my Fav Pakistani Historians. Eagerly waiting for Sanjay Rajoura.

[@ambreenshaistashaista9128]

Wonderful indeed

[@crunchythoughts4109]

Very informative interview 😀😍

[@tapasvibhardwaj]

Brilliant podcast yaar....i cant believe ki aap pakistan mein itne samjhdaar log laate kahan se ho??? My humble suggestion- please do a podcast on Nehru(india mein ye podcast muskil h..aajkal Nehru trend se bahar h)...i think Nehru is the sole reason why Modern india is democracy and pakisran is a dictatorship....

[@exincident]

Big Shout-out for Shehzad for bring up this sort of intellectual stuff to us .

[@khojhYT]

Ancient India had such a glorious scientific temperament. Post Islamic invasions, it got totally destroyed.

[@abhishekgupta-zs5zd]

But what was the reason for the invasions? why the Indian rulers at that time couldn't stop that from happening? why brahmins who were the flag barrier of that ancient tradition joined hands with the invaders? These are some questions that you have to deal with before drawing any conclusion.

[@nishantsrivastava2625]

@@abhishekgupta-zs5zd this narrative you learned by eating what marxist poo 💩

[@advaita6523]

@@nishantsrivastava2625 exactly inn Librandus k ideol Mao, Lenin hai kanhiya future leader lol salam😂

[@Jeet-2023]

Nopes. Ancient india did not have glorious scientific temperament. Or they wouldn't burn young widows alive with their dead husband's funeral pier, calling them "sati".

[@yugansh.g]

Modernization is still not be denied by India. It is so widely promoted by the top elite.

[@HassanAli-gq1bh]

Still waiting for a podcast with Dr. Ahmed Afzal of University of Fullerton

[@jnasir8845]

Very well done sir 👏 👍

[@arpanshah29]

At 45:00, you talk about Mughals not caring about cultural hegemony. I think the zeal of conversion under Mughal rule clearly disproves this: examples are the attempts to convert Sikh gurus, so many Sikh gurus died because they refused to convert. In addition, the destruction of Indian temples , which is well established and recorded by Mughal historians was a direct attack on the local traditions. To say that the histories of these locals, their cultural and religious centers were not impacted or there culture not forcibly altered is false. I think the Pakistani lens glorifies that period understandably but there exist alternate perspectives as witnessed by the destruction of culture centers, libraries, temples, and many similar institutions. These oral histories are passed on and many examples like the burning of gurus, destruction of Somnath, and other places show an strong zeal to alter or attack cultural symbols

[@growrich7205]

Amazing work, shehzad. Besides, I am watching mostly academics from LUMS and QAU. But what about Ravians? Could you do one podcast with any Ravian- any professor from GC university Lahore. Plz invite any one from GC whom you like!

[@growrich7205]

@@ThePakistanExperience plz have a podcast with Khalid Manzoor Bhutt, dean of Political Science, GCU Lahore. Or Asghar Zaidi, Vice chancellor, GCU

[@umairawan8100]

Mirza Athar Baig (Philosopher and writer), Irfan Waheed Usmani (historian), Tahir Kamran (historian) are best options to have a podcast with.

[@devendersidhu001]

Comparison of India subcontinent richest part of world to . African continent is unfair . About 800 year of rule in this 800 year 600 year they can't control outside Delhi. Vijayanagar and chola were biggest empire far richer then Miguel at same. time.

[@nishantsrivastava2625]

Even many indian does not know true history how can they able to do this and this men has connection with india left then what they tell him

[@buckbeak7164]

Very enlightening ✨✨✨

[@sonakshibahl9486]

Hey you had recorded one with Adnan malik right?

[@qwerty-qc2kb]

Nice one 👏👏

[@anandsaini]

Mughal empire lost its power in 1730s ,after that it was Maratha who controlled majority of India

[@hamzasohail5435]

When are you going to start in person podcasts, in your studio, again?

[@hamzasohail5435]

@@ThePakistanExperience best of luck, mate. You are doing some great work.

[@razahu3]

Why can't people team up 😊

[@prashantp2029]

Unlike Britishers Mughals stayed, so is it okay to call them colonizers? Simple answer would be, Mughals were pre-industrial s@vagess, they knew no technology or had enough brain to extract wealth out of India nor they had any machinary or equipment to transport wealth. On the other hand when British came to India, they were industrialized, educated and modernized....so they knew how to suck Indian wealth and transport it to their homeland. For Mughals, India was a safe heaven. India was rich, had skilled and educated people...and businesses were flourishing..for them India was like a way way better place then where they lived...plus Himalayan mountains and the coast gave them sense of security...ki chalo at least from these directions no one is attacking them. So, if Mughals were as good as Britishers and had every reason to back...but still had they stayed in India then...the argument of Mughals being apne would have made some sense. They were c0lonizers, inv@ders would be more accurate term

[@Aestheticsandall]

Can someone explain MacCullaich Children reference?

[@shubhamjain9111]

Thomas Macaulay was the Law Member and anglicist in the Indian government who gave an address in 1835 that India's indigenous educational systems need to be replaced with British schools. He said Indians must believe that everything that is British is superior, so that they start hating their backward culture and following the great western values.

[@hassanrajput9576]

Civil servants have to protect themselves because institutions and laws do not safeguard them

[@kashanosama]

One of the best podcasts, and very unlike the usual left talking points on colonialism etc. Etc. And i don't think he was being apologist at all for colonials

[@abdullahirshad7204]

Khoobsurat ❤

[@rahulchandak2988]

Sir avijit Chawda pls contact him he is good with current history he even has a youtube channel

[@navneetvyasan265]

Conspiracy theorists don't count I guess.... because, then, even KRK would make the list...

[@cuteasduc]

Lol no! He's a conspiracist. If any historian doesn't have an open mind like this so called historian avijit wouldn't be classified as historian. I do watch him and some of his videos are more than good and they have educated me on certain things I didn't know.. But to call him an acclaimed historian is not more than a joke.

[@zenitsuagatsuma5085]

Having a youtube channel doesn't make you a historian.. specially not the views that you get .. otherwise biggest historian is Giorgio A Tsoukalos

[@MukeshPanicker]

Avijit is conspiracy theorist , his only job is to promote RSS ideology. There is no ounce of fact in his videos. If you want to support your small ideology why are you on a Pakistani channel ??

[@prashantp2029]

@@navneetvyasan265 What made you say that? Can you give us any example of his conspiracy? You could be somone with red ideology which makes you don't like what Abhijit says because he is staunch anti-red person.

[@devendersidhu001]

About scientific development rajsthan raja Mansingh step up a lab for . And observatory in jaipur. Biggest canon of the time in world was built in rajsthan too.

[@umayr2935]

14:46 i'm getting a vibe that IK is a sort of reincarnation of Bhutto when it comes to his attitude, lets see how loud does he shout and what becomes of him

[@sameerahmed1797]

Kabhi DHA walon ko bhi bulao show mai kARACHI se saaray mangroves kha gaye

[@arslanashraf2617]

What's the point of 2 to 3 hours of the interview if you are not going to let the speaker complete his answer?

[@hassanrajput9576]

There is no safe institutional working environment for civil servant

[@HassanAli-gk4uv]

1:19:42 haha, Lol🤣🤣🤣🤣 India start to follow Pakistan on this Path of Heaven .

[@usamaafzal2950]

❤️

[@hassanrajput9576]

Pakistan has preserved a culture of elitism (uncompromising social hierarchy) from Sir Syed Ahmad to 1947 then onward till date. There have been all-powerful elites coming from influential feudal families, capitalist. It to has retained a tradition of patronage and kinship. These are the structural malaise plaguing Pakistan since Pakistan was not born. If bureaucracy is eager to serve the scrupulous and unscrupulous purposes, it is allowed to flourish and thrive. On the contrary, they are peeked by transferring them, relegating them. We need to dislodge this bedeviling culture of patronage, elitism, kinship and loyalty to an individual

[@devendersidhu001]

They were no recorded famines no at large scale India before British . You should listen to shashi tharoor Oxford speech .

[@hershpuri289]

MAHATMA GANDHI has always been seen as the father of the nation. He democraticized the congress party and Indian freedom struggle... freedom to streets.

[@hershpuri289]

I find it so nice when Pakistanis troll us "Hum bhi Pakistan bana chahte hain"

[@hershpuri289]

its a compliment to indian politicians.

[@hassanrajput9576]

1:27:16

[@hibatahir4225]

Let the guest speak. You kept interrupting him.

[@hibatahir4225]

Active listening is a part of a good conversation. There are other conversational podcasters that don't interrupt the guest as much as you do. I'm trying to criticize constructively here. Other than that i like your podcast.

[@hassanrajput9576]

Institutional security, salary and autonomy divest to make them subservient to government (ZAB Imran khan)

[@AKumar-co7oe]

Reports of India's descent into pre-modernity are greatly exaggerated

[@tapasvibhardwaj]

Agar Jawahar lal Nehru par podcast na bhi ho...even then...aapke views dijiye please Nehru par...that would be higly anticipated

[@advaita6523]

He was a Bastard Librandu, Watch abhijit chavda.

[@truthsayer5824]

It is only a partial analysis. They are hesitant to frankly discuss and admit the mistakes made by Pakistani leaders since its formation. You can see the hesitancy or reluctance to admit the role of Army for the non development of the country.

[@truthsayer5824]

@@ThePakistanExperience you may be right .will definitely watch. As well wisher of Pakistan feel frank analysis without fear or prejudice is what is needed at least starting with the intellectuals.

[@hassanrajput9576]

53:11 ml policy

[@muhammadadnan2]

Shahzad Bhai, I have seen your podcast with Syed muzamil. All things are good BUT don't interrupt when other person is talking. This is so annoying. Let the other person complete his point and wait for your turn. Plz dont mind

[@sanatandharma8837]

AAp ARABUI MUSLIM ho ya TURKI MUSLIM? Aur aap pakistani muslim ke naam me Hindu surname kaise hai BAJWA,CHEEMA...App log kahi slawar qameez convert to nahi?

[@ritesharora6032]

Though history of India is atleast 10,000 bc. But the destruction that happened by savages of the islamic conquest has no match compared to fights between Rajputana before Islam

[@muhammadaliclay8976]

hahahaahahhhhhahahaahahahahhaahah... really

[@ritesharora6032]

@@muhammadaliclay8976 yes. Have a read of Will Durant and Ellior Dawson

[@hassanrajput9576]

Transfer raj - political transfer

[@taseenhaider3961]

your bun is blurred, but the podcast is not