The TermiNOTors - Grading Every Faction's Terminators

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

For those who stick around for the credits, do you like the new setup? The effect is cool, but we were concerned people may not like it. Also, when we hit 98-99k subs I'll post the Q&A community post for people to toss questions in and vote for ones they want to see answered. So look for that sometime soon! Also for those wondering, no we didn't know Auspex would cover the exact same topic on the exact same day. It was bound to happen eventually and with Auspex's upload rate it's bound to happen again. His video was cool too though, go check it out.

[@humiekitten7818]

Great minds think alike lol

[@auspextactics]

Great video guys, yeah with the amount of every X in 40K videos we both do it was bound to happen eventually :D

[@ts.butch.69]

I don't know if y'all know each other, but an Auspex/Poorhammer collab would be neat

[@hirostroud]

I'd say tone down the vcr wibbles, they're a bit strong, but otherwise looks cool

[@labancz8038]

Alright, you convinced me. I hatefukked the subscribe button.

[@SockimusPrime]

Eric is that teacher who absolutely refuses to deviate from the grading rubric. You find a different way of presenting the solution and he’ll dock you marks just for making him have to think it over.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Yeah because that's extra work nobody wants to fucking do. "Oh I found a new method" shut the fuck up you just gave both of us two more hours of this shit. You need to explain the method and I need to compare it, and that was _entirely_ avoidable had you _just used the_ *Throne-damned* _GIVEN METHOD._

[@sam3drinks]

What about: which primarch stat lines would have the best chance against Superman Love your show

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

@@sam3drinks Magnus, and it’s not even close. Superman is weak to magic (IE he gets affected the same way a normal person would), and so Magnus just turns him inside out.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

@@mattiismouse1086 yes. But against Magnus (who is immaterial and therefore can’t really die), it’s a toss up.

[@Halo2Jackel]

@@LordCrate-du8zmdepends which Superman

[@MalcadorTheSigilite]

Auspex and poorhammer lol

[@FirstLegion123]

Auspex beat them by 5 hours 😂

[@ger5956]

I just noticed that 😂

[@behemoth9543]

Considering both their release schedules, I would assume Auspex started making that video yesterday and Poorhammer had it planned for weeks already

[@FirstLegion123]

Yea probably, these guys also have day jobs, Auspex does not.

[@tylerholmes2727]

It's like they didn't unofficial collaboration lol 🤣

[@Fell-Handed_Bjorn]

Bricky out here expanding his forehead ripping out hair trying to get them to shill the merch.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Holy shit a fellow dreadnought. How's the sarcophagus been treating you, bro?

[@Echo_Underscore]

Greetings, dreadnoughts of the lake 🫡

[@hardcorelace7565]

​@@ManwithaCator "gus"

[@AAw3s0m3]

Brad and Eric: "Tau are the ripoff." Berellio: "Nah, they're the upgrade!"

[@LadyMikoEN]

Alright, now we need a “Every Army’s Warglaive” just so the Knights can feel happy for once.

[@bobthegamingtaco6073]

Yeah, let's let the knights have something for once

[@maelwys5432]

I'd like to see this, haha

[@jidk6565]

I'd love to see my boys and girls in steel get some over

[@the_king_of_kings_3413]

Every armies mech.

[@YaGirlGumption]

Blud is trying to justify Custodes losing points for having too many HP. That's dumb as hell. "You're doing your job too well, we have docked you points"

[@wherebethecrack]

He’s a Grey Knights player, what do you expect?

[@461Dragonman]

"Wraithblades, don't have an invulnerable." On screen: "Forceshield: Bearer has a 4+ Invulnerable Save"

[@tankmlee]

the tau got an A+ why are yiu complaining

[@461Dragonman]

@@tankmlee idk wtf T'au getting an A+ has to do with them getting a completely different datasheet in another faction wrong.

[@internetartpaints3465]

@@461DragonmanI think they’re calling you a weeb? Maybe?

[@461Dragonman]

@@internetartpaints3465 idk man I don't even like Eldar, I just wanted to point out they missed the wargear.

[@robbiepeacocke2465]

They mentioned the invuln at 24:01 🙂

[@Florkl]

Eric seething over the superiority of Allarus

[@aidxenostar9139]

Berillio on tau’s side giving us an A+ is great

[@MatchaMakesThings]

I thought it was an error!

[@thomasfox0]

I mean Tau melee is just shooting at point blank

[@sodinc]

He is your FNP 😊

[@tristanemery8748]

I mean, they could have just gone with kroot rampagers instead, but idk

[@jukehero461]

Brad - 'The worst fate, having to play with Old World players!' Me, with my dwarven gunline - 'That's going in the Book.' *scribbles*

[@MasculineSkeleton]

Me with my chariot legions: Gonna put so many curses on them for that...

[@diestormlie]

Have you considered using that book for something useful? Like using the pages for making cartridges?

[@carlost856]

​@@diestormliescribbles furiously.

[@Hydus]

I like how the Tau actually got an A+ by editing mistake

[@MatchaMakesThings]

yes yes... a "mistake"

[@waltereadie3620]

The Water Caste infiltrated the editing process and helped the Poorhammer boys see the way

[@titansquirrel4408]

It counts!

[@UmbraPsi]

Eric is always so down on custodes, and the fact that hes a GK player makes it so much better because GK and 'stodes are always at odds with each other lmao Just face it Eric, your grey knights just dont have the luster that stodes do! All that glitters may not be gold, but sometimes its fucking Auramite!

[@Argorok87]

Eric: "It's so strong it becomes something else." My brother in the Emperor, it has Terminator in it's name. Brad shouldn't have relented for that A-.

[@Bluecho4]

@@Argorok87 ^This. "So strong it became something else" is just nonsense. The Custodes Terminators completed their assignment. It's unreasonable to punish them for going above and beyond the call of duty. That's the kind of thing that makes students decide to stop trying and just work to rule. And no one wants that.

[@belgerod]

I came here to say this.

[@Sha_Bingus]

@@Argorok87 > Poorhammer > actually saying something that isn't retarded

[@craggylotus]

he argued for Custodes getting A- so had to accept his own Terminators only getting a B. GK Termies are Exactly Space Marine Terminators.

[@BR-bn1mz]

Fun Fact: in an interview on Jordan Sorcery, a game dev literally said that they try not to give everyone the same things so they can feel more unique (probably why Guard don’t have modern jetpacks and SMs don’t get jet bikes in 40k), and the wraiths were literally stated to be the Aeldari equivalent of Terminators

[@Spaced92]

Meanwhile, SM get super specialised units and hover tanks. Elves in disguise.

[@Warhammer3025]

"Every faction's Hive Tyrant" End Imperio-centrism! :D

[@Alpha-zb8sp]

Space marines are getting automatic A+ for everything, this is nepotism as it’s most obvious!

[@Alpha-zb8sp]

Maybe gaunt too

[@dizzycriminal]

"Every Factions Distraction Carnifex" would make a solid discussion

[@dragonqueenniisan4122]

@@dizzycriminal GSC has to be the Rockgrinder or Patriarch. Love my cult dad, but he gets so much target for basically no reason on the table.

[@arandomkobold8403]

​@@dragonqueenniisan4122 He's big and scary I don't care if he's good

[@magnus0017]

I feel like, based on what i know about 10th, you should do an episode on tank killers. Ostensibly, because i think trying to show off each faction's way to deal with an opponent would be interesting. But actually, because i want to listen to Eric be disappointed in his Grey Knights more.

[@philiphamel8504]

Last time i was this early, the two missing Primarchs were still here.

[@pancakemogul]

Please tell me more about them.

[@vxicepickxv]

​@pancakemogul yes Interrogator-Chaplain, this comment right here.

[@Atiredproblem]

It sure is odd that we can count to 20 using only 18 numbers.

[@Dramatic_Gaming]

Knights are that one meme of Sheen constantly bringing Ultralord for show and tell.

[@Kcitz_]

One of these days the Armigers are gonna work

[@AidansBoyz]

I clicked the Auspex video thinking it would be this and then was pleasantly surprised to see this uploaded

[@jcmsaucey6555]

Allarus Custodians are just the terminator version of the Custodes statline, whereas Paragon Warsuits are double the battleline infantry's toughness, quadruple the wounds, faster instead of slower, don't have deep strike, and are vehicles. All the issues Eric had with Allarus Custodians are even more egregious with the Warsuits, plus some more. Great episode though, can't wait for next week :)

[@joelkurowski7129]

Did Berillio make the awesome intro animations for each faction logo? They're beautiful.

[@wandering.albatross]

Fr Fr. Looks amazing

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

Yes, he saw The Command Phase's visuals for factions on one of their episodes, got jealous, and spent the next 2 days watching tutorials and whipping those up. Shout out to The Command Phase for the extremely cool visual flair.

[@reginlief1]

Except there wasn’t a Votann one. 0/10 grudgeworthy content

[@thepoorhammerpodcast]

@@reginlief1 Thank you, more ammo to not give him his one meal a day.

[@joelkurowski7129]

@@thepoorhammerpodcast he's still poor? I figured he'd be a 'Brazillionaire' by now. :D

[@McZippyMedia]

About GK terminators, the spacer trick does work. You will have to shave down the spacers a bit for proper posing, and to avoid having a wasp waist, but even a thin spacer makes a lot of difference. Also, if you are doing this you will have to add spacers between the torso and the arms as well to broaden them out a bit in order to keep their proportions. The best way to do this is to get a sprue frame and slice a THIN piece out and stick it between the arms and the torso. You won't need much and any more than 1mm will be too much, but it will make the terminators look very good.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Very good advice bro

[@speaktome4778]

Yeah it's fairly popular amongst the GK community. I was kind of surprised that Eric hadn't heard of it before.

[@claytonmccune507]

You can even use like 1 or 2mm plasticard and give oldmarine termies “shoes” which bumps up their height that slight amount

[@starsidescav9487]

Damn giving Tau an A+ how generous!

[@thrango2379]

"oh Custodes have 2 more toughness and 1 more wound, you did too good at the assignment." Man, teachers really are arbitrary.

[@knightofthefallen7416]

I love that Birillio (sorry can't spell) accidently gave Tau an A+ instead of a C+.

[@chadnine3432]

A few mistakes like that in there.

[@BeckettBaladas]

yeah, "accidentally" xD

[@dr.stronk9857]

There are no accidents

[@dr.stronk9857]

@@murphy7801 I was actually the only kid in my family who wasn’t an accident, which is unfortunate because I can’t make that self deprecating joke

[@darthnox8286]

Eric really looked at a unit with "Terminator" in its name, has the exact stats expected of a Terminator, and is literally just a Terminator, but because it's a Golden Boy he gets pissy.

[@VictorHoyseth]

I’m already mad about custodes getting the A- because it’s too good. Good video boys

[@ThatCrazyWizard]

35:38 You can hear Eric's defeat. He tried to hide it, but I heard it. James Workshop, give the man his Thunder hammers back

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

I'd love to see you do "every faction's Primaris lieutenant"

[@calebkooy2241]

That would be hilarious

[@Daemonik]

Hour long just to cover the _actual_ Primaris lieutenants...

[@Calvin_Coolage]

It would be outdated in half a year when they introduce a new Lieutenant

[@theotv5522]

Every faction's Sturmtiger equivalent

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

​@@Calvin_Coolage Ah, but would it be _another faction's_ lieutenant? I didn't think so.

[@ShiroShouten]

The Wraithblades I was happy to see, they do really need their Spiritseer leader with them, gives them +1 to hit so hitting on 3s plus Lethal Hits

[@TheConchNorris]

For the Votann Hearthguard, you CAN get both an invuln and deep strike! Attatched characters also come with a crest wargear option, and you'll pretty much always attatch a character to Hearthguard to get their bodyguard ability. An attatched Kahl can give the entire unit a 5+ invuln (or deep strike, but you get that from the squad leader anyway), or an attatched Einhyr Champ can get the same crest option (personal invul or deep strike).

[@WarewolfSonic]

The fact we have to say "No no, our captain let's the termies get an invul" makes me so sad. Our factions thing is supposed to be slow and tough, but not having a standard invul and trading a wound for a toughness (definitely a downgrade) on our beefiest toughest infantry is borderline pathetic.

[@TheConchNorris]

@@WarewolfSonic I miss 9th. :c

[@tjv2446]

You said C+ but gave my T'au boys an A+ in the video. Can't take it back now - now you have to do an "Every factions Crisis Battle Suits" episode (which means we'll finally see Centurions in a faction comparison).

[@anophelesnow3957]

Meganobz are such Orky fun. Imagining some Mekboy in times past checking out Terminators and furiously taking notes. Then giving his boyz a cooler and sillier name. Good work, Orks.

[@holokom3330]

For Wraithblades I feel like you need to look at the Spirit Seer - Nobody would ever run them without - In lore or on the table. That way they get Regen and Hitting on 3+ - Also since they are Eldar Infantry they got more movement shenanigans than any other faction, so I feel like Deepstrike would be overkill.

[@598019001]

Omg, I never noticed that the grey knight models have NO stomach, It goes from Chest straight to groin! I can't unsee this, It looks so wrong!

[@MichaelJ.Caboose-u5w]

Allarus Custodians gotta be an A+, absolutely cool fucking model

[@definitelynotlazav]

As soon as this video popped into my feed, I knew it was gonna be the day where my darling aberrants were going to get their day in the grading pile. Honestly shocked they shook out so well!

[@lobo2367]

"Deep striking is important for terminators." ... First entry is admech Breachers -_-

[@joshwright7229]

And then proceed to say "deppstrike is just a bonus" for like 4 factions after that.

[@shadwkeepr9107]

Berellio's editing gets an A+ Keep up the great work!

[@magostarmus3705]

To grade Necrons' Terminators, you'd have to grade most of their mini range 😂

[@craggylotus]

I see what you did there, nice.

[@Jfk2Mr]

Don't worry, they'll be back

[@allthenamesiwantedweretaken]

Custodes Termies got done dirty. Custodes in general got done dirty.

[@jackdelacamp6533]

Custodes are space marines but better they are perfect in every way for it if they were T5 and 3. Wounds that would be worse than a custodes guard squad so t7 And 4 wounds is 1 extra than a custodes guard squad but tougher. And all custodes have 3 wounds and t6

[@MrShukaku1991]

I almost want to offer up Killa Kanz as the Ork terminator. They have 2 wounds too many, one less save, but they have an invuln while still being mostly right for move, toughness, shooting and melee.

[@BL_Lusha]

I feel like Eric was wayyyy too pedantic for Custodes Terminator. A-? Really? For being 'too good at terminator'? And you give the Exalted 8 bound who are way different *also* an A-. Or fuck, the Sisters Paragon Warsuit which just also does 'better' terminator.

[@Diseptibots]

33:58 yes tau got A+

[@metnah1]

Nice to see the t'-au taking an A+

[@darnokx9277]

Entertaining from start to finish, as usual! But holy moly, good to know you are NOT teachers... some aweful grading inconsistencies there. As a student I would be furious once again! Also: Berilio is just knocking it out of the park! Those faction intros are sweet, and that summary at the end... *chef kiss* so good!

[@Prince_Of_Fish]

ive been waiting for this one for a while. Every Factions Librarian next please. i want TSons to get an A+ and to highlight how Dark Eldar need something like an Etherial where they have a Homonculus who can weave waves of pain or something.

[@colonelherpderp1824]

First time seeing a video so soon after posting. Finally KZbin actually showing me new content from my subscriptions in recommended!

[@whippetdoge]

Hi Brad and Eric, have been listening to you guys a lot on Spotify and out of all the episodes you upload my favourite ones by far are the ranking/ homework assignment episodes like this one. Hope there are more to come in the future and keep up the good work

[@sethcarcare7467]

To defend the A- for Votann, if they are lead by a kahl with a rampart crest the whole unit gets a 5+ invuln and then the squad themselves get to take the teleport crest checking both boxes but maybe the fact that you need a character to become terminators docks them points too. Great video!

[@justsomedude3762]

Knowing that both auspex and poorhammer recorded these episodes prior to the knowledge of each other then released it 5 hours from each other is pretty funny

[@BrysonLeigh]

The "Space Wolf Terminator" comment on Bloodcrushers destroyed me! 😂

[@bigterry5005]

Shoutout to barellio for those sick army icon vignettes very well done

[@titansquirrel4408]

I feel like the homework should have been: to be a Terminator, you need +1 toughness, +1 wound, +1 to save and -1-2" move. That wouldve solved the allarus question imo

[@erikm6941]

Bricky yelling at us to buy merch was GOLD!! Watched it a few times and I'm still laughing "YOU'LL GET SEX WITH THIS MERCH!" 😂😂

[@asgerlakkenborg2435]

For what it's worth, CSM has a secondary option (albeit not necessarily A+ material) that they could've turned in, instead of copying loyalist homework. Possessed. They're huge, chunky, similar base size, 3 wounds, and slap in melee (although mainly due to Dark Pacts and dev wounds). They can't shoot, have too high toughness and speed, and worse save, but that's about where the differences end. A third, and significantly shootier option, would be obliterators.

[@rickkcir2151]

Damn, no Death Wing Knights? Have Dark Angels not suffered enough?

[@garethlamb6923]

I would almost have put forwards wraiths for the necrons. Have one more wound and toughness, and move too fast, but they have the invuln and they have shooting that wasn’t worth it until the wargear was free. Likewise, Ophidians nail the toughness, wounds and deepstrike, but are too fast with a worse save.

[@seanpeacock4290]

I would argue that every Necron is a Terminator...

[@KrakDuk]

The guard’s terminator armor is their giant balls of steel

[@mochatoast887]

I love how each faction is talked about like an acutaky student. I think it adds so much more character to the factions.

[@caladen2423]

Eric (the grey knight player) being salty at custodes for having the terminators be "too good" made my day.

[@xenonhhd8383]

The editing this episode is gloriously done!

[@jamesn2830]

Ah yes, sleeveless 8 bound is just plain silly but the thousand sons walking around with a giant sphynx/cobra thing on their head is both sensible and cool 👍🏻😂

[@bobthegamingtaco6073]

I mean yeah, I can get sleeveless angry jocks at any gym, it takes dedication and skill to not break your neck holding up those giant hats

[@danielmartens6369]

I thought it would be fun to do an episode on factions "Lone Ranger", a loan operative character that is some sort of blender, I'm thinking Kelermorph, Hexamark Destroyer, or Solitaire equivalent!

[@IsonDaya]

The Bricky cut-in is great.

[@amycox7508]

As a Votann player I feel like Hearthguard should go down a step because 2 wound’s really sucks. There are way more 2 wound weapons than 3 wound weapons, so having a model eat 2 attacks instead of having 2 models dead makes a huge difference.

[@thecourier2956]

Even tho the vidoe has been relised a minute ago, i can assure you ive watched it all and i assure you that its top notch Poorhammer content

[@CirclMastr]

I defy you to come up with a "Grading Every Faction's _____" that you can give both Knights and AdMech an A on.

[@nobodyimportant5417]

"Most metallic"

[@bobthegamingtaco6073]

Every faction's AT-ST, get them chicken walkers and warglaives in here

[@Bob-Dole-Hole]

Chasing the auspex video with this one is nice

[@Cross_Malaki]

33:13 Yeah we don't have Terminators. Because being slpw, plodding, and a big target is how you get dead in a real warzone. 40k being a tabletop game is the only reason terminators and knights even CAN exist. Any realistic battle simulation would see them destroyed in seconds.

[@specs.weedle]

Episode idea: Grading Every Faction's Leman Russ (reasonably cheap vehicle that fills the role of a main battle tank and has variable primary and secondary weapon options)

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

Poor Knights, they can't catch a break here lol.

[@KingWalter5419]

Eric confirmed Custodophobic

[@educatedlaziness3268]

I got into a warhammer store a few days ago and i was actually tempted to get some Paragon Warsuits or maybe the Nundam herself, but i instead bought a second set of Kataphrons for my Mechanicus army

[@legatetheanime9827]

You should do every faction’s Sturmtiger

[@crashstarr6531]

Oh yay, ranking the factions sad attempts to match the glory of the crisis suit!

[@canceledlogic7656]

This series is a neat way of showing the math and such underneath the skins: how despite the aesthetic differences many units are kind of the same unit for game purposes across factions

[@caboose759]

Just got done listening to the audio twice. Now it's time to listen again on the TV

[@Et_Exterminatus]

I love Bricky doing the advertisement. He must have had a lot of fun with that one.

[@matel4692]

Nice Auspex collab, lol

[@jcn1717]

I feel like my squats deserved better than a B, especially with Orks getting an A- lmao. They look like terminators, they hit like terminators, and they have the option for deep strike or invulnerable, neither of which the orks have! Just cause they’re clowns doesn’t mean they deserve better grades!

[@Illindi]

Just have to say, the notebook with inking and the grades, beautiful, just beautiful. Classy way for the wrap up of the show.

[@thewarriorofboros]

okay in taus defense. crisis suits count as vehicles, so they can shoot in melee to make up for not having an actual melee weapon

[@patchcoatgrey3434]

"So they spent all night with the paper mache working on this!" 🤣

[@aaronnunavabizniz199]

Meganobz can get a 4+ invulnerable save with a bigmek leader

[@tiredtortoise3396]

My World Eaters friend is longing for the day that 40k World Eaters get the Red Butchers. They are such a neat concept. Heck, I would like to see a Blood Angels version for Death Company.

[@woahhbro2906]

My theory is GW doesn't want to make them for 40k, because Eightbound but will probably cave to the overwhelming push from the community. Our Terminators don't even have a leader and are trash. Drop them for Red Butchers. But at the same time, I don't know how much different they could be from Eightbound, gameplay-wise. I see Juggernaut Cavalry and Berzerker Surgeons coming out before Red Butchers, in my opinion. Who knows though? Maybe all 3 will drop.

[@tiredtortoise3396]

@@woahhbro2906 True, there are only so many ways you can do 'melee killy marine elite'. Personally, I think the solution would be to change Eightbound to better reflect the daemon-side - reduce their durability but lean more into the fun mobility options. Then Red Butchers could be the tankier but slower lot.

[@woahhbro2906]

@@tiredtortoise3396 Agreed. The two different Eightbound/Exalted units are too similar and look too similar as well. I'd say keep the Exalted Eightbound for anti-tank targets and drop regular Eightbound and replace them with Red Butchers who kill infantry (essentially what regular Eightbound do now)

[@sambojinbojin-sam6550]

Thousand Sons have normal terminators (Scarabs), small terminators (Rubrics), fast melee terminators (spawn), and giant terminators (vortex beasts). We've earned that A+

[@GeneralJerrard101]

Wow, I know some KZbin channels change the thumbnail after posting, but it has only been five hours. I guess it was a good change since the old thumbnail made me think this was an auspex tactics video. How silly.

[@AGuyOnline-rp5we]

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD AND SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE

[@cigman777]

I love these kinds of videos, interested to see what admech will show up with. My guess is the castellan robot

[@cigman777]

Kataphrons?!?!?!? Oh hell no

[@cigman777]

I dont disagree, i’m just loath to see them

[@TheBobWizard]

Next episode should be a tier list of Poorhammer podcasts episodes

[@HeroicPeanutOfStormAndLightnin]

after making it through an hour of your content i did double check at myself being a subscriber, just to make sure i still had reasons to doubt myself

[@alBoomer19]

I love to see every new episode drop. Keep up the good content!

[@jacrothe1138]

Wraith blades do have an invuln though.

[@TacDonut]

Lmao Bricky merch dropping at the end killed me 😂

[@Daemonik]

Wraithblades also get bonus durability - stick a spiritseer with them and watch them get back up again once you manage to knock 'em down 😊

[@Bob_cheese-22]

This is the video we all needed. Thank you for this amazing video. Keep up the good work! 👍

[@johnbursi2804]

Every factions’ war dog next time? Tailor the assignment so the gundam exchange student can participate?