The Lion's Return - The Good, the Bad, & the ...Closet?

[@Goosemanpointnine]

Strange closets lying in warpspace distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.

[@JeffPenaify]

THATS THE VIOLENCE INHERENT IN THE SYSTEM

[@Drew_Thompson]

you mean shields.

[@williamings773]

​@drewthompson9765 both, and it isn't stated of where he got his current armor. He just woke up with it on with his helmet beside him.

[@thewerdna]

​@@williamings773 His armor is just whatever armor he was wearing at the end of the heresy. The difference in how it looks are explained by the fact the armor gets badly damaged throughout the book and has to be partially rebuilt

[@Tommy9834]

What if...they distribute shields instead?

[@iamalpharius3]

Eric not realizing what book he was supposed to talk about is amazing.

[@MrPooleish]

I am 100% down with Eric writing all future 40K lore on the spot with no prep-time.

[@RSBurgener]

Bro got it more right than he knows! He knows what people wanna see.

[@Glumnut]

I thought the Lion's 'Forest Walk' was how the Watchers move around unseen as their own warp like world between worlds, which is also why it looks like Caliban, and the Lion being tended to by them for so long on The Rock etc allowed him to begin to interact with and eventually use it.

[@isiahalcindor6278]

That's good. It's not great, but I could buy it. It's better than nothing too bad gw has given us exactly nothing

[@basteala525]

Yeah that tracks, I like that. It sort of fits with how the Watchers have their own unique interaction with the Warp.

[@stralistv]

What makes the emperor's shield even funnier is that it's not his shield, it's his tilt plate that he has in all of his old school art.

[@basteala525]

What--like a grand guard in jousting? That's actually kind of hilarious because it's both on the nose but completely not.

[@deidara9996]

“Welcome to the Poor Hammer podcast where we joined at 8th but complain like we were here since 2nd!” Love it, keep at it.

[@Paradukes]

Speaking of audio-bloopers, in one of the earlier Dresden Files audiobooks, James Marsters reads the main character's line in a throttled voice, as someone has him by the neck. Then a moment later he breaks character as he realises out loud that the person's hand is on the of his neck. He gives a quiet "F***", then re-reads the line in a different voice. How that made it in, I have no idea, but it caught me completely off guard the first time I listened to it 😂

[@joelkurowski7129]

One of these days, you guys will realize that 40K is just Pro Wrestling for British people

[@richardseppings4409]

Like Big Daddy versus Giant Haystacks

[@weylingilbert9599]

tbh, it was implied the Lion did immediately understand the allegories he was being shown in the vision-quest, he just didn't know why he was being shown them

[@SilverPrince_]

Would be really be The Lion if he wasn't so autistic that he didn't get the blatantness? 😋

[@kurtfonte4071]

The bloodied spear, golden candelabra, and a bronze chalice? Any chance you can enlighten me about it?

[@RSBurgener]

What you guys said about cartoons to sell toys in the 80's is almost exactly how I saw it. It's in the tone of it. My way of putting it is "it drives me nuts how the tone of 40k vacillates between Game of Thrones and Thundercats". I like both of those things, but it's enough to give you whiplash in the same narrative!

[@Emidretrauqe]

For real. I think the books get written by the marketing department first, and then some poor soul has to fill out the empty space with some half-realized work of passion.

[@FrankFerret]

On your discussion about action scenes in books: my general conclusion is that the more moving pieces there are or the more parties involved, the harder it is to write in a book. For example, if you have a cowboy's pistols at dawn, or a cop and a serial killer chasing each other all over a junkyard you can make it suspension and emotional by focusing on little details. When you've got two large groups fighting, then you have to not only have the writer juggle multiple sets of events, you rely on your audience being able to keep up too.

[@CyberSlayer128]

That's true, probably why my fav fights in the book were Lion fighting the Beasts and those Khorne Terminators.

[@MannonMartin]

I think part of the issue is just the pure lack of spectacle. There are ways of describing things that can invoke a sense of spectacle, but it's actually quite different than a movie. In a book you really need some kind of stakes. If all the important characters in the scene have plot armor, action has no stakes.

[@krohnicentropy8073]

Cop and a serial killer chasing each other around a junkyard? Is that a Hardshell reference?

[@isiahalcindor6278]

Fight scenes aren't inherently bad. There's a lot that they can do. They can get characterization, be the emotional culmination of an arc, or even bring previously unseen insight into the characters' internal struggle its up to the writers to be skillful enough to do it

[@StarkMaximum]

That's nice, dear. MOST 40K books do not do that so it's still a fair accusation.

[@isiahalcindor6278]

@StarkMaximum that's odd, sweetie, because I never said it wasn't the comment was saying that in a perfect world, every fight/bolter porn scene would have that care but were in the world where arcs of omen is lauded as anything other than nonsense

[@basteala525]

Both Eric and Brad honestly have good points here. You need that emotional investment and racing thoughts--and having the fight dynamics *punctuating* the personal stakes...but you need to do that because actual fight descriptions don't get you there.

[@turquoisetempest4234]

Always love these episodes. Even though it's a podcast, these videos are genuinely visually interesting, and it always makes me happy.

[@TheLordofMetroids]

"you know what tzaangor are?" Ah, yes. You mean the AOS army that you can run Space Marines in?

[@DINOROAR2912]

You know, I go back and forth on my favourite 40k Podcast but its always you guys and Ad Ric fighting for the number 1 spot. Keep the good work up guys, you're a lot newer and yet you're doing so well!

[@BlackSquadPro]

Honestly. I'd love to see them both do a co-episode together talking about tabletop stuff.

[@TheLordofMetroids]

Have you seen Lore Crimes? More a general Warhammer podcast because they do a lot of Fantasy stuff, but I really like them.

[@Bluecho4]

I have so many notes, here are some of them. -Beastmen being not only explained but hinted at coming back (in an admittedly cynical marketing way) is nice. Guard, especially, could use a dedicated "disposable melee chaff" option. You kind of have it with Bullgryn or Catachans, but not enough to be a match to, say, Chaos Cultists with pistols and melee weapons. It's honestly dumb that Imperial Guard _don't_ have something like that. Beastmen troops is a good way to crowbar that in. And I just like the idea of having mutants in 40K that aren't hunted on sight. (Instead, they can be thrown into the meat-grinder in waves, much like Penal Legions). The Imperium is a shithole, but it should at least make use of all its resources, in a "you are all worthless in the eyes of the Emperor except when you're dying for the cause" way. -I, for one, don't think GW should ever explain the Lion's Forestwalk ability. It's magic. They don't need to explain it. He's just 40K's Green Knight. If anything, trying to explain it would make it less wondrous and more mundane. Only joyless nerds who need to categorize everything want an explanation. Same with where his sword comes from: it doesn't matter, he's just the King Under the Mountain, returned in his land's hour of direst need. -My opinion on Renegade Marines is that, if we're going by the original depiction of Space Marines from 1st edition, _most chapters_ should be renegades. Or at least most should _go renegade_ from time to time. It's part of what justifies different Imperium factions, or even parts of the same faction, fighting each other on the tabletop. Some marines decides to back a rebellious Imperial governor, because no one can tell a Space Marine chapter what to do, and then they fight forces sent to put that down. The whole point of the Imperium being such a shithole is that it's a state in active decline. It's territory and power structures are disintegrating, and in its place are any forces nominally aligned to the Imperium use the power vacuum to do whatever they want. The Imperium _does not work,_ propelled through the millennia by fanaticism, brutality, and sheer momentum. And all of that _before_ the Cicatrix Maledictim appeared and tore the empire in half.

[@SilverPrince_]

Guard HAD melee chaff, they were called Conscripts, and they lost them after 8th ed lmao

[@matthewogden7598]

Beastmen were originally classed as abhumans and were part of the imperial guard back in rogue trader days, mainly as assault troops, they had some pretty cool minis back then too. Second edition changed all that

[@lelandmartin3970]

you know i just had a thought, the primarch's don't really age like humans do. Maybe the reason they were all so shitty and did dumb stuff in 30k is just because mentally they were all in their young teens mentality wise. Maybe the lion's mind was still active and developing while he was unconscious with help from the watchers that took care of him. It would help explain why most primarchs were the way they were and why the lion was suddenly much more forgiving.

[@Emidretrauqe]

Not a bad idea, but that would also humble Guilliman by comparison, so GW would never have it.

[@GCLEM92]

Best start to my morning is when we get a new poorhammer podcast!

[@jorgemontero6384]

The whole 'every character that shows up needs to be a really recent miniature, or one about to come out' is just very glaring on this one. Yes, the beast men are in the next Killteam box. Chaos mutations? Yep, a different kill team product. Why is Dante here at all? Miniature released right before! We really could track the new models released in a given year, purely by looking at black library mentions.

[@katelystt]

47:24 given that the whole dark angels chapter is a reference to a gay poet and his poem "dark angel" which is about his (in his opinion shameful) secret of being gay, this joke actually has nuance. I mean The lion after this moment is no longer concerned about hiding his shameful fallen "dark angels" and is redeeming them. So you could actually read this "coming out of the literal closet" as a signifier of his new outlook on his chapter's "shame"

[@beninman2087]

I would love for the author to be that nuanced!

[@naus6081]

Gay 😂

[@katelystt]

@@naus6081 Very much so🏳‍🌈

[@katelystt]

​@@beninman2087 It would be quite interesting if that were the case! but for now it'll remain a fun unique reading of the text rather than author's intent I would be interested in hearing Mike Brooks opinion on this interpatation.

[@beninman2087]

I'd also love to hear from the original creator(s) of the DA's. Whether it was just a clever literary pun based off an already named legion or whether it was an early pride flag in a still openly homophobic hobby space. Either way, when I found out I actually felt the need to applaud.

[@thomastempleman2029]

Eric’s point about ridiculous successor chapter names is constantly brought up in this novel by Zabriel (the first fallen redeemed). He calls the name Angels of redemption “laughable”

[@mangohub3252]

I hope the book club is just like this DID NOT THINK ID HEAR ONE PIECE

[@lizardlegend42]

37:46 Yeah I agree completely on this point. It's part of why I like lotr so much, while it has lots of action scenes Tolkien really doesn't focus much on the minutia but rather the broad themes of thebattle and intimate emotions of the characters within it. Like he'll spend a paragraph describing the trees on a hill when the characters are just walking but then the entire Battle of Helms Deep is like, 10 pages. That's not everyone's style, but it is something I personally appreciate!

[@RingOutKO]

The Emperor did have a shield. There’s a scene in Mechanicum depicting what isn’t stated explicitly to be the Emperor…but is 40,000% the Emperor battling what isn’t stated explicitly to be the Void Dragon but is 40,000% the Void Dragon during which he carried a lance and shield. If we assume this is the same shield it fits pretty well with Lion as a monster slayer using the shield the Emperor used to fight a Dragon. The Loyalist Primarchs getting pieces of the Emperors wargear is a good parallel to the Traitors getting gifts from the Chaos Gods. We’ll probably see Dorn getting the Emperors Claw. The Khan getting Big E’s personal attack bike 😂😂 and Corax getting his personal gun.

[@feaven783]

Soz! But I gotta disagree with the criticism of the narrative perspective changes in-between chapters cause I actually quite enjoyed it. It's a good literary device to make each character's perspectives feel different. One of the most famous recent examples of it being utilised really well is in The Fifth Season.

[@GamingPhilosophe]

I just finished The Infinite and the Divine while listening to it at work. I'm hyped for your podcast about it

[@r.j.macready]

I totally get the tense issue but i think these books are written more and more not to be read but rather performed. The audible version of this book is S tier. Feels like listening to an audio drama. Highly recommended the auido book.

[@shadeofnod]

He may not be mentioned, but Trazyn is also there. Just off camera. Honestly how i assume most 40k lore broadly works

[@darko-man8549]

Honestly, the only loyalist Primarchs that coming back wouldn’t feel contrived are Corvus and maybe the Khan or Vulkan - but even those two

[@SWProductions100]

Khan could be a decent choice (especially with the Arks webway device), but it does seem all other factions desperately need at least a couple of years of no returning primarchs.

[@aiken2258]

Mike Brooks also wrote Brutal Kunnin' which I quite enjoyed. It wasn't anything ground-breaking and the plot was somewhat transparent, but I wanted a large helping of Orks being hilariously Orky and that's what I got.

[@lamicrobio...engros5427]

I discovered your podcast 2 weeks ago.. and I love it ! thanks for the fun !

[@egnaroelprup]

Vashtorr gets done so dirty in true chaos fashion when they win they can't actually "win" and to top it off his rules kinda blowed as well, hopefully 10th fixes him into partial relevency Also the only other thing that interested me was them actually moving forward with the fallen But it's just George Luca's mushing together characters and going "these guys should be friends"

[@calebbarnhouse496]

George Lucas literally never did that

[@egnaroelprup]

​@@calebbarnhouse496probably didn't sure, but you knew what I meant

[@seanironbreakervincent]

Really good action books to read. Try anything written by Larry Coreia. He wrote the son of the blacksword series, monster hunter international series, hard magic triliogy, and has wrote servants of war which is the start of a really cool series based in alternate ww1 with monsters and daemons, plus golems being used as mech suits

[@JasonPoley]

"Long drawn out scenes of two men beating on each other" wait what book are we discussing?

[@yaseenbrown]

One of my favourite lines of the Lion is when he talks about Gulliman and basically say Gulliman can do ten thousand things at once and but he is shit at one of them but I can only do one thing at a time and I fucking brillant at it.

[@ShadowGhost0117]

More like Guilliman is so good at multitasking that he has trouble trying to focus solely on one thing, while the Lion is the complete opposite and is at his best and can focus on the immediate task.

[@karasutenka]

For as stupid as the Arks of Omen campaign books are, I'm actually really hopeful that Wyrmwood will actually become a driving force for at least some lore going forward. Especially because of the very unsubtle implication that Vashtor can use it to snap the Webway open like a KitKat full of eldar souls.

[@RealFakeLore]

I listen to these on my commute to work and the 1 hour podcast/humorous ramble with funny opinions was engaging the entire drive

[@Knight1029]

I honestly love Eric and Brad talking about lore. They have such a great perspective on it.

[@camdencolton6192]

I believe the way it is supposed to be is that the fallen are the risen and the normal dark angels or the unforgiven are the redeemed

[@zramirez5471]

[49:30] if we treated 40k as an ACTUAL gun fight were guns did shooty things and melee gets you killed then 40k would be either a Space Western or ACTUAL scifi instead of Space Fantasy

[@wulf2757]

Preach

[@vicio19995]

@@cp1cupcake One maybe good reason and this is a strech, is that the number of enemymies is so big and the armor they have is enought that you just dont have the Ammo to deal with all in both sides. So survivavility could be the reason. Most mele srmies are usually elite ones, (space marines, custodes) and the others can have beliable resons to have mele focus, like Tiranids, or infiltrators like Admech sicarians. So TL DR it cost 100.000 dollars to fire theirs guns for 12 seconds, and you have more enemies than bullets

[@zramirez5471]

@@vicio19995 that's a nice try, but compared to the modern battlefield and especially the battlefield back when officers wielding swords was a thing, even a 3000pt army is a skirmish or scout force. The last time melee was relevant ranged forces had to get critical joint hits to create a casualty; once you reach post-Rennaisance Europe melee was for cavalry units hoping to overwhelm massive infantry blocks so they could no longer use their ranged capabilities. Anyone that can create a power sword or power fist can make an energy weapon with considerably more punch.

[@albe348]

You really need to read the Night Lords Omnibus if you like tragic, renegade marines and their struggles

[@anthonyg6517]

I can’t wait for Jaghatai Khan to return with the Emperor’s sweet bike

[@a.gravemistake3061]

Action scenes can be good when there is narrative weight, they're written dynamically, and they don't go on too long. Khairn vs Erebus at the end of Betrayer, for instance.

[@hpenvy1106]

The third Eisenhorn book does the fight against the titan really well. But yeah, i get your drift.

[@thecomediccommunist5889]

It was fine until the author decided to ignore how blanks work to kill off a character for shock value

[@bjornkonrad8007]

The Emperor actually had a shield. He fought the Dragon on Mars with a shield and spear. Aparently not this shield though^^

[@johnbursi2804]

Who’s going to get the emperor’s boots? He’s obviously not using them? Seriously though, I want to know what happens when the Lion meets Cypher. Who is still sneaking around the imperial basements, right? Also, Dante is basically an ad hoc primarch at this point. He should have had a dream chat with Sanguinius while crossing the Rubicon primaris and gotten the official ghost nod.

[@vahlok2568]

Didnt Angron wipe almost the entire sanguinary guard? Thats the main detail I remember. Idk didnt seem like a loyalist win at all.

[@Channel-23s]

Dark Angels getting growth and some limelight is nice to see better to evolve then be paranoid fools time for shit to change and now how the Lion talks or deals with Luther Cypher Gullimen and the Space Wolves is gonna be very interesting

[@darko-man8549]

@39:00 - I agree _ I liked the Deathwatch book because of how it's a lot of dialogue between characters or internally

[@Axquirix]

Started reading The Infinite and The Divine after the last video, and have already finished it. Honestly almost unputdownable and you're not wrong about it being a good read even for non-40k fans. Looking forward to the review video, and to reading Twice Dead King series that I bought at the same time!

[@batnacks]

I wonder why they didn't just have Cypher show up, give the Lion his sword back, and then also release a new Cypher model without the sword

[@BrandonVonOtt]

This was honestly one of my favorite poorhammer episodes to date. I just like hearing about lore from these two.

[@Barrlounge]

I like that you guys aren't talking about 10th as every other channel is already and you guys are just like "we wanna talk about this and no point in talking tenth, YOU know what WE know!"

[@gallopingoctopus1364]

Gandalf fighting the Bolrog is an expertly written action scene. There is a lot of great action in the Lord of the Ring's throughout the books.

[@japhettheprophet4619]

Also one of the best 40k action scenes for a book is the entirety of storm of iron

[@pavma7]

The problem with 40k action scenes in general is not the action but because most characters are unlikeable or you know they won't die. I liked Loken in the first 3 HH books and were legitimately engaged in his fight with abaddon because while I know Abaddon won't die Loken could very much die in this scene. So because he is a likable Character I don't wanna see him die. Same thing for Horus in the first book, where Horus still had a character and was interesting because you could feel him struggling. His fight in the first book was interesting because I didn't know how Horus became evil, so the "good" Horus also could very much die in that scene, so the action was interesting.

[@chadyoung9934]

48:08 Excalibur is considered public domain, but I imagine it wasnt used here because it canonically exists in 40k, shards of it are implied to have been used in Nathaniel Garrow's sword "Libertas".

[@ravenRedwake]

48:18 as a reminder to all, Angron “forged” his sword by beating a twink slaaneshi daemon with an iron bar and its soul absorbing into it. Liono went into a closet and found Not the Master Sword/Not Excalibur from his sperg forest closet, Angron did his gods will and did a hate crime.

[@laserblaster]

Super strong recommendation of having you read The First Law books by Joe Abercrombie and then see how you feel about action scenes in books. It’s done so perfectly and I wish 40k was anywhere close to that quality for action

[@japhettheprophet4619]

Can’t believe they made driver from the movie drive into an old man. Ryan Gosling but old you know. Cause he’s literally me FOR REAL

[@startingfromlevelone9510]

You should read A Fire Upon the Deep it has one of the most cinematic action scenes in literature, reading it it played out in my head more vividly then any movie. Also The Expanse does good sci-fi combat, both hand to hand, gunfighting, and ship to ship combat.

[@astronautindisguise]

(Spoilers) The only comment I have about the book is that when the Lion is fighting the warp thing near the end: 1. The entity changing into Perterabo to try and mess with the Lion, only for it to backfire because, in his own words, the Lion doesn’t care about Perterabo. 2. The entity changing into Magus and then punching the Lion in the face only for that to also backfire because it’s what lets the Lion KNOW that it’s a warp entity because “Magnus could never punch that hard” Both are absolutely hilarious.

[@EmonWBKstudios]

Might have been less weird if he was dreaming of a sword and then when he woke up, there was a sword right in front of him. Weird, but feels like everyday Warp-weirdness that could happen to a primarch.

[@EmonWBKstudios]

Also, peter-natural.

[@Kibbet21]

Honestly best action scene in a 40k book is in Horus heresy saturnine’s zone mortalis scenes. Absolutely well written close combat battle

[@willogsdon7092]

Agreed on the action sequence brain glaze effect with 40k and other fantasy\scifi writing. It may be because im 15 years older now than when i read them but i remember R.A. Salvatore doing a okay job depicting meat slabs going at each other

[@Rocjhead118]

Also check out the Fabius Bile series. Beastmen are quite prevalent in each book of the trilogy and gives an expanded explanation of them (for some worlds)

[@notaninquisitor7274]

I feel the best way to interact with 40k lore is hearing it summarized and explained by someone who read it. It feels more natural to the unreliable narrator aesthetic of 40k.

[@desecrationfly]

Im new to 40K this year, and I am in love with the lore...that being said im pretty happy with short snippets and youtube videos like Luton09, cause reading action is kind of crap.

[@dominikvonlavante6113]

This episode was really, really good. It was tons of fun and a shout-out to the great editors!

[@RandyNelson10]

That take on written action scenes is super spot on. Thank you for talking about that

[@maxwaltham5853]

While I largely agree that 40k books have very skippable action scenes, you're off the mark on books being a poor medium for action overall. Heck Kharn vs Erebus in Betrayer is a stellar example of how the medium of books can sell you on ass kicking like nothing else as you hear the characters thoughts go from smarmy confidence to pants shitting terror in seconds.

[@RachetLikesOat]

Beastmen were explained similarly (but better) years ago in the Black Legion duology, yo.

[@scuffedwizard]

These are so entertaining, thanks for the videos!

[@okonkwojones]

59:31 oooh the coveted corner hit

[@gabrielfestini]

Just got into 40k and using your channel as a guide, wish me luck 😆😆

[@nikolthomas2544]

20:00 I'd say Dorn qualifies as 'good dad' material

[@Hartwig870]

35:05 That laugh is so goofy, I don't know if I can continue to listen to/support this podcast.

[@d1halberdgnoll963]

"Soulless pricks who have no fun in life" - Too close man, too close

[@finnon7460]

Honestly, favourite 40k podcast. Love you guys, keep it up!

[@nahm321]

You know, the proportions for the new lion model look pretty natural, but the one for the cover on this book has a tiiiiny head and it's really obvious. Congratulations, now you can't unsee it either

[@zigzera7757]

Im assuming the fallen wasn’t copyrightable enough

[@notaninquisitor7274]

the screamer killer immediately gave me the impression of an Alien with Predator hair. They combined the 2.

[@user-gf4sn6lp5h]

Normal sci-fi: Why are you bringing a sword to a gun fight? 40K: Why are you bringing a gun to a sword fight?

[@davydatwood3158]

While I've read a number of lacklustre action scenes, I've also read some really good ones. None of these are from 40K novels, because I've never read a 40K novels, but I contend that they are examples that one *can* write a good action sequence. David Drake is an obvious name to put forward, of course - arguably the father of modern military sci-fi, and I suspect many 40K books are attempting to imitate him. C.J. Cherryh writes really good action scenes - although, make sure you *read* them. Don't use an audio book where you're letting someone else filter the scene before it reaches your brain. C.J. Cherryh writes scenes that are so far inside the character's head I'm certain that an audio book would destroy them. "Rimrunners" and "Heavy Time" are both good examples of what I'm referring to. Finally, no-one writes an action scene like Patrick O'Brien does in the "Master and Commander" series. Plus, by the time you're done, you will "know the difference between a head and a halyard." Mr. O'Brien does an amazing job of explaining a complex world (1790-1812, at sea) without ever doing exposition dumps. (Yes, I know the quote is from Hornblower, not M&C.)

[@LL4MAx]

57:44 This struck a chord with me, example the first few Witcher books. They are narrated really well in general, but having the character Dandelion having his name pronounced 'Dan dillian' 400 times made me want to give up and just read it myself. Unfortunately my malformed reptile brain will never allow me to do that in a reasonable timeframe.

[@samrieman1283]

Wait a minute, you guys have a Magic podcast? I would love to know it. Been loving this one also.

[@dragonllig790]

The closet joke is even better when you remember who the lion is named after

[@kdhlkjhdlk]

I think that Carnifex looks like the Predator, and yet nobody seems to say that. Am I the only one?!

[@ger5956]

The first of the primaris were all from the 30k time if I’m not mistaken. It’s mentioned in several books from the dawn of fire series and the dark imperium series. Also maybe cawls series if I remember correctly.

[@Tortle-Man]

Shame y’all didn’t like Arks if Omen. It had its low points but honestly it had a lot of interesting lore all the way through, and this book was really a wild ride. I rather liked the last book, if only cause it seems to hint at a lot lore developments and possibly new armies coming this edition. I wanna see more if it. Good video on the book btw.

[@TrippyTheShroom]

New armies like?

[@katelystt]

@@TrippyTheShroom Vashtorr seems to be dark mechanicum aligned

[@theScifiCultist]

I appreciated the Beastmen in this too; Beastmen as an IG regiment goes all the way back to 2e, when you could also take them in Chaos lists - but you just used the WFB ones. About half the cultists in my night Lords army are kit-bashed from beastmen and plastic Cadians.

[@darkroom0716]

The line re-reads are actually quite common in the 40k audiobooks. About every one I've listened to on audible has that.

[@TriptuneRadio]

I'm trying to remember what the overused word in flesh and steel was

[@RanVor]

28:00 or something, I don't feel like looking for the exact timestamp: space marines are subjected to extremely thorough indoctrination during their initial training. They aren't dumb, they're brainwashed.

[@thewerdna]

Best part of this audiobook is the VA actually pronounces Guiliman correctly and not like "Row-boot Gully-man" like everyone at GW does despite no one else on the planet doing so. I can't even blame this on the british, since nearly every British 40k youtuber (except Lueten) pronounces it "Re-boo-teh Gill-ih-man" like a normal person

[@camdencolton6192]

Yo shout out I know it's way too late but I finished the lion book today I honestly loved it even tho I haven't heard your opinion on it yet

[@4ArmedHug]

They do mention why they use swords in this book. It's because bolters aren't anti-armor weapons. So they can't pierce armor efficiently but power swords can.

[@skilledwarman]

On the topics of books with good action bits: Halo: Fall of Reach, Eric Nylund. The Keyes Loop and the Battle of Sigma Octanus IV are awesome naval battles Halo: Shadows of Reach, Troy Denning: The final battle on the glassland moving into the colony city was so good that an in game big team map using the setting is the thing I want them to add most to any Halo game

[@carlosvarona220]

This was great. I'm super excited for the infinite and the divine book episode, and whatever other books to come