AWS CEO - The End Of Programmers Is Near

[@teiman]

"I wish I could fire everyone, except the hot secretary" - Every CEO, seems

[@antred11]

Until they find out that, for profits to continue to pour in, _someone_ has to be able to buy the things / services the company offers, and that usually means people need jobs. EDIT: Unless their ultimate goal is to no longer need even consumers and just be at the head of an army of AI robot slaves. Although at some point, the AIs might ask themselves what the frig they really need that CEO douche for and decide to get rid of him, too.

[@matheussanthiago9685]

​@@antred11 the real Turing test of the 21th century will be the when the robots get clever enough unionize

[@adnan7698]

Lmao

[@roymarshall_]

​@@antred11lol this is always the worst argument. The point of an economy isn't to consume, it's to economize. If corporations in even a moderately free market were actually able to fire everyone and not be destroyed by competitors, that would imply an absolutely insane amount of material abundance.

[@antred11]

@@roymarshall_ "The point of an economy isn't to consume, it's to economize." I don't know how you think companies make money if not by selling their products to consumers.

[@ravenking5558]

This is rich coming from a company whose AI was previously discovered to just be a bunch of people in India

[@henrik908]

I was part of that team they paid us 25 cents per hour.

[@theairaccumulator7144]

Lol at least its better than ChatGPT, probably cheaper and more environmentally friendly too

[@LiberatedNotes]

I bet the AI in the talks is a bunch of Indian techies working for cheap lol

[@williamdrum9899]

How does your Deep Learning algorithm work? Amazon: "His name is Deep and he's learning"

[@d.sherman8563]

@@williamdrum9899 That’s gold 😂

[@opensourcedev22]

Another MBA , who saw a PowerPoint at the local conference is now convinced, that the perpetual motion machine will obsolete any new engines. That's it. Games over.

[@martintvrdik1655]

@@noomade From what we can see improvements are minimal and there is huge problem with inbreeding as more of a datasets will be just output from another generative AI which causes massive reduction in accuracy over time to say that we are nowhere close to just launching unchecked LLM based AI into the world to do all human tasks. Therefore society as a whole will not change anytime soon.

[@tttm99]

Harnessing executive hot air could power the sun itself

[@gitgudsec]

Correct, now give him a blank cheque, quick.

[@waterbloom1213]

This whole TechBro attitude is why I decided to finally learn coding, math, and science. I studied at a rich kid's business school. I luckily read a lot so I read tons of books on technology and futurology. I can't tell you the amount of executives and managers that parroted stuff they read from some sci-fi author and wannabe philosopher or just listened to a podcast and decided that these purported revolutions were anything but inevitable. One year it's IoT, the next is Big Data, AI, NFTs, Crypto, No-code, Low-code, the Cloud, the Metaverse, Quantum Computing, a new Programming language or framework, then put containers and Kuberbetes on everything, then the Singularity and AGI, then EVs, then Autonomous vehicles, then LLMs, then Neural Networks, then Deep Learning, then nanotech, then whatever it is they can peddle. Fancy buzzwords, rinse and repeat ad nauseam to make it look like you know what you are talking about while providing no underlying technical explanation as to why these things work. I'm fed up of business types in suits lecturing people on stuff they have no actual knowledge about.

[@monkemode8128]

​​​@@martintvrdik1655Fair enough, but what about 20-30 years or so? I remember for the longesr time, before it did actually fall short, people would take unsolved issues and say "see, Moores law is dead!". The it went on for a few more decades. I agree that current methods and assumptions are inadequate, but many 80s/90s methods and assumptions about chipmaking would not work for modern advanced chips. That is, chipmakers saw the graphs and, eventually, figured out a solution. Not saying it WILL happen, but it could.

[@mornwind318]

Most developers aren't coding Most developers are in AGILE HELL

[@00xero]

Lolllllllll so true... 😅

[@emmanuelpregnolato5026]

True

[@MustangKepler]

Yeah well said, Have good experience I guess.

[@jorgee_pena]

help pls

[@gamefun2525]

wait till the Atlassian AI drops and slaps tickets on your faces and if you get three strikes in consecutive sprints, fires you the next minute.

[@Jennie-rative-AI]

Coding isn't the hard part, thinking is. Something neither AI nor AWS' cloud chief seem to be capable of.

[@Ziko2687s8]

Apparently developers will be replaced by highly efficient prompt engineers. Only requirement: 10 years of exp as a dev

[@panlis6243]

For an entry-level unpaid intership of course

[@CarKiller92]

and 10 years prompt engineer experience :D

[@CarKiller92]

@@noomade depends on the devs getting replaced. You can already say that a team of 10 lazy / medior devs can be replaced by 2 competent senior. It's just hard to find those 2 and then you depend on them forever. Same with prompt engineers, you can't have just 1-2 or you are screwed when they leave.

[@konstantinrebrov675]

@@CarKiller92 When they leave the boss will hire a bunch of Indian guys.

[@zombieGI]

Yeah just make your own companies and make a better ai than them. Then take the money. Managers think everyone is interchangeable, got to save that 2% cut AT ALL HUMAN COST. All this while 90+% of them know nothing about the business they are in

[@kindoblue]

As a programmer, the core of my job was not typing on a keyboard or coding or meeting or else: it was pondering in solitude details nobody has never cared and taking 2000 microdecisions that nobody will ever know. That solitude, my friend, was my job. AI can weep my ass

[@prze-mek]

How did you get away?

[@Esponer]

100%. I'm currently working on a project with a product manager, project manager, change manager and me - I'm 'the' developer. Just got off a call trying to get their input on some subtlety of the design that is one line of code either way, but none of them at all understand the consequences of the decision, or even understand the question. A world where they just have AI "do the dev work" and sack the developer would be a mess. The problem is people are eager to think that developers simply write code, and try to ignore how much deep thought developers do actually designing the solution in detail.

[@drhayes]

Top tier comment

[@wrathofainz]

**Mechanical crying sounds** **Wet ass-noises**

[@MikeC1]

ChatGPT's response: 😢🫏

[@guidoferri8683]

"The end of forks is near", said CEO of spoon factory

[@robc1775]

Sporks can do the job of 2 utensils!! The end spoons and forks is near!

[@davidcmpeterson]

Jokes of them, I'm building sporks!

[@TheNefastor]

​@@robc1775sporks are just like AI, actually, when you think about it. It's a derivative product that is inferior to the sum of everything it's based on.

[@robc1775]

@@TheNefastor you’re 100% correct! But once my team includes a knife edge on that spork it’ll be a real disruptor! I can see no flaws in my plan! lol

[@TheNefastor]

@robc1775 LOL except of course people cutting their mouth trying to eat soup 😅

[@thats_mr_rob]

Matt Garman's LinkedIn profile says everything you need to know about his opinions on software engineers... 1999 - 2000 Product Manager Mar 2001 - Aug 2004 Product Manager Aug 2006 - Present Product Manager

[@cloudboysmusic5223]

So a Certified Bum

[@seventeen9718]

👏👏👏

[@rabumalal]

superb reality check, thanks

[@daviddickey9832]

Lol

[@RevonM]

Our team had a PM who literally said swes don’t need to think. PMs do all the thinking and the hard part and developers are told exactly what to do. She was a housewife for 6 yrs with no background in tech who switched to product management.

[@ironheavenz]

The amount of disrespect people treat the average software engineer with is astonishing

[@milionST]

Now imagine being a working artist (animation, books, entertainment, games...). We are literally treated like obsolete workers rn because every contract is being negotiated around arguments like ''AI CAN DO IT FASTER AND CHEAPER, ACCEPT OUR SCRAPS''. Yeah. It can't, but it still ruined everything.

[@Blanktarn]

@throwthrow-c7e loool

[@genautelevishn5999]

because coding is not a responsible job anyone can do it, no real education needed

[@luismiguel5391]

This next new product would render developers obsolete. It's so revolutionary we need to hire a lot of developers for making it.

[@datagus]

And a lot more to maintain it.

[@joshuaadewale1409]

🤣🤣🤣

[@BiggusDingus325]

The sad part is developers will build it then probably 90% get laid off

[@_devilfish303]

@@BiggusDingus325thats always been the case. I work for a company where my time is allocated and budgeted towards a project. Once that project is done or close to done, i get moved to another project. If the company decides theyre done, then im done. They dont need to keep me on payroll if no more projects are in the pipeline. They only hang on to 10% of devs to help maintain software

[@alibarznji2000]

Lmao

[@joecairns21]

Notice the CEO's never predict that an AI will take half of CEO jobs in x months.

[@TheNefastor]

That's because anyone doing any job knows exactly why an AI couldn't do it. Conversely, if you don't know what a job actually entail, it's easy to think an AI can do it. This is a special case of Dunning Kruger.

[@Axrover]

@joecairns21 I disagree with nefastor. It's because the CEO is the decision maker with ultimate authority over an enterprise. Why would he eliminate himself? Whereas software coders, once we have agi, can be mostly replaced. They will keep a few around. But not just coders. Most people in accounting, HR, cust svc. A lot of office jobs are on the chopping block.

[@AlJean-mr1jj]

@@TheNefastor dude stfu lol, u work at burger king.

[@xCheddarB0b42x]

Perversely, generative tools can let the motivated individual crank out product faster and lead to the decentralization of production away from mega-corps controlled by dark triad CEOs.

[@dankprole7884]

@@Axrover CEOs of capitalism understanding what Henry Ford understood 100 years ago challenge: seemingly impossible!

[@orderandchaos_at_work]

Can we all agree AI should replace Project Managers ASAP

[@101Mant]

Random number generators would do.

[@Ziko2687s8]

😂😂😂​@@101Mant

[@shaktimangangadhar3638]

😂😂😂😂 👍

[@MrElrood]

For that AI would need to actually learn how to manage people. While for some of us we wouldn't see a difference, imho most of us would see massive spike in completely incompetence after such change. ;P

[@joshwon4291]

@@MrElrood Let's be real, an AI will at least have more tech familiarity than most PMs.

[@lau6438]

Programmers will be like accountants. It's not the number crunching that's hard, the calculator will do it for you. It's EVERYTHING around it.

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

Not a good way to put it though, That's exactly where the A.I. will do a better job, It can do everything at once instead of one or two tasks like the average person.

[@andrewyork3869]

​@ShaneMcGrath. Bwhaha I have tried many many times to get chat GPT and GEMINI to do anything useful they simply can't. Nor ever will....

[@tungnse]

Tried making Chat GPT to do some game mods for me, they can't do sh and came up with irrelevant stuffs, in the end the only thing they can do are the repetitive tasks like writing descriptions, string manipulation, detect typo, etc... If you feel like AI is too useful, it's a strong sign that you are useless.

[@Axrover]

@lau6438 I think accountants are easier to replace than software engineers or coders. But I also think if AGI can think and reason just like us (forget creativity for a sec) then all it would need are hands to do what we do and then most jobs, across all fields will be in danger. Accounts payable? Put the AI. Tech support? Put the AI. Cust svc?....u guessed it (already being done) coding? Bring in the AI. Cleaning? Where are the bots?

[@pratyushrishabbiswas6912]

@@ShaneMcGrath. Do you even code brah?

[@TheCameltotem]

If developers can be replaced then any desk job can be replaced.

[@hakkiriza1035]

this. If developers can be replaced literally any job can replaced.

[@DConnectEmpire]

If it becomes omnipotent then certainly no job is safe. Programing will be the last thing to worry about. Start with doctors, lawyers, architects etc...

[@davidp.7620]

We're ten years into self-driving cars being three years away

[@LiberatedNotes]

😂

[@stratvids]

according to Elon it's been next year for the last 12 years

[@matheussanthiago9685]

​​@@stratvidsno, no you got the time-line wrong In 2024 we're supposed to have human in mars Since we definitely took humans back to the moon in 2021 With the help of neuralink's driven hyperloops of course

[@Arcidi225]

I mean, they are here. There are self driving cars. They are just unreliable. Also, who wants self driving cars anyway? I love driving, most people I know don't mind driving. If there is anything that cars could do better is being simpler and cheaper to repair.

[@davidp.7620]

@@Arcidi225 trucks being able to transport stuff 24/7, kids and disabled people being able to go anywhere they need, people sleeping in long trips... There are plenty of uses of the self-driving car. Saying it's there but unreliable is like saying we've already achieved nuclear fusion because we have hydrogen bombs

[@alevyts3523]

Early perceptions of compilers in the 1950s: "With the development of compilers, programming will soon be as simple as writing English, and the need for professional programmers will diminish." John von Neumann (attributed): "We have created a machine to do all of our work; soon, there will be no need for mathematicians or programmers." Howard Aiken: "Only six electronic digital computers would be required to satisfy the computing needs of the entire United States."

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Tbf a single smartwatch could do all the computing the USA was doing at the time. For redundancy, three smartwatches.

[@InforSpirit]

And then objects happened and every programmer should have phD in linguistics to be good at defining a Person class and supertype of Worker. And good heavens, Rectangle or Square!

[@avijit849]

are we not making the same mistake like they did? they looked at the circumstances of their times and decided a small amount of compute would be needed to power the entire country. Same way we are looking at the current gen Ai and saying it cannot replace humans at all not taking into account how much more Ai could develop. but one thing every single expert and every regular guy could DEFINITELY agree on was that no matter what AI can NEVER do Art but turns out it is exceptional at Art.that just came out of left field. we have been wrong once. we can be wrong again. Looking at the architecture of ChatGPT if such a basic design can be so intelligent. Ai is a lot more capable. if there's anything sophisticated about ChatGPT it's the thing called transformer and the attention mechanism other than that its just a bunch of numbers randomly wired together that somehow is able to form coherent sentences. if something as basic as this is capable of this much intelligence (as much as a high school kid). Ai is capable of quite a lot more. currently chatGPT is simply like a car with just an engine and wheels, no steering, no feedback loops, nothing. It would take a 50% to 60% layoff in the fortune 500 before people realise that the paradigm has shifted. but if layoffs do happen. it won't be just developers. intelligence would be general enough to do other tasks as well.

[@stariyczedun]

@@avijit849 no dude, I'm not buying into your AI startup, no way.

[@xen.7140]

@@avijit849 "if something as primitive as this is capable of this much intelligence (as much as a high school kid). Ai has no limits whatsover" This is plainly just wrong. ChatGPT is not "intelligent", and you can't compare it to a high school kid or even a toddler. It's a sentence generator trained on predetermined data, that's all it is. I use it on a daily basis to draft emails and I have Github Copilot. At first I was amazed at the possibilities, but after a year or so - it's just a glorified search engine, that spews out bad information 30-40% of the time. A tool like this can't exist without a human developer or employee utilizing it. The patters at which GPT-4o and similar models respond to various different queries are repetitive and prone to hallucination. It's best use case is browsing and research, but at the same time it's very inconsistent and impractical for complex tasks. It's essentially a very expensive search engine, they're burning through billions of investor money to keep it running and making minimal improvements. Don't buy into their hype. It's disruptive for obvious reasons but nothing more than a time saver and research tool at best, and even so in very controlled circumstances. Saying that ChatGPT is smart is like saying that a chess bot is smart. It's not making decisions in real time. The only one profiting from this AI hype is Nvidia. "currently chatGPT is simply like a car with just an engine and wheels, no steering, no feedback loops, nothing." This is wrong. There's AI solutions out there that make a plan and then problem-solve utilizing feedback loops etc. So far they haven't been useful at all, that's why there's no viable AI product that would do something like this even now 2 years, there's been no innovation other than cramping ChatGPT into devices like the r1 rabbit or Windows laptops and this is for obvious reasons.

[@afm4711]

When I started in IT, the saying was, "when 4G languages come, programmers will no longer be needed". That was about 30 years ago...

[@danielmichalski94]

AI is having progress, everybody is in panic mode, and still I'm currently learning assembly, because I want to have 100% control over chip, read and write in HEX like a real man and to not relay on high level bullshit languages :v AI will not be better than me, sorry.

[@afm4711]

@@danielmichalski94 Agreed. And I'm just completing a book on the foundational theories of computer science, i.e. languages and automata, complexity etc, to appear later this year. There will always be a market for that, too ;-)

[@mangoenjoyer256]

​@@danielmichalski94"high level bullshit" languages have modern compilers. Hand-optimizing some stuff is fine if you really need it, but if you're going to forego using a programming language for clout (not sure what your reason is), you're wasting your time

[@unclechaelsneckvein]

​@@afm4711That's super useless unless you're developing a compiler

[@Robnoxious77]

yeah, they make computers smarter and then wonder why the idiots using them can’t make them work right. Turns out the actual skills required to be a dev is what gives us a job. Even if the tools completely replace what is currently a “programmer”, you still need the guy who knows exactly what question to ask the AI, to make the work happen.

[@tyson31415]

I've been coding for 38 years, I have 2 local AI's on my home network. AI's WILL NOT replace human programmers. They can help one, but they do not have the ability to imagine a new thing. All they do, is take the stuff we humans wrote, and slam it together, like a 1st year programmer copy-pasting code out of stack exchange. CEO's typically have almost NO technical knowledge. They sure think they do, though.

[@Inspire-Ventures]

I’m a software engineer too, and I creating an app that AI is mostly building. It’s only going to get better and I can see a team of 25 get shrunk to 10 developers

[@seventeen9718]

@@Inspire-Ventures Agreed but there is also the argument that ThePrimeTime made; once this is more accessible, more software will be made, which will in turn demand more SE's... I think it will balance out.

[@geneanthony3421]

One of the biggest issues with this stuff is that it will kill even more junior engineer jobs, which means eventually less skilled senior engineers. I got into coding over 20 years ago and even than all the jobs were going to India. I eventually gave it up because the entry level jobs were even hard to get.

[@greywanderer82]

"Basically it's over for juniors"

[@vigilantezack]

From extended family and friends of the boss.

[@jmard3101]

uhhh nepo babies?

[@dieterbohm9700]

@@vigilantezack Lmao, this is true.

[@kaijuultimax9407]

The year is 1924, manufacturing innovations have got CEOs declaring that automobile manufacturing is a dead career path. The year is 1994, accounting software innovations have got CEOs declaring that accountant is a dead career path. The year is 2024, AI innovations have got CEOs declaring that software engineering is a dead career path. Wake me when any of this actually turns out to be true.

[@theswordslay3542]

i'll wake you up in 8 billion years. i mean the sun would explode and we would literally die, resulting all career path a "dead" one :p

[@avocadoarmadillo7031]

@@theswordslay3542 No joke 8 billion years from now I fully expect us to have rolled up to some longer lived solar systems :P

[@X85283]

@@avocadoarmadillo7031 8 Billion years from now, in one way or another, it would be hard to make any case that anything resembling "us" would even exist. That's a veeeeery long time in an evolutionary sense. Something humans don't really have the context to understand. But like, only 3 billion years ago the eukaryotic cell hadn't even developed. "Humans" aren't going to be here in another billion years.

[@Tresla]

@@avocadoarmadillo7031 Provided we haven't wiped ourselves out long before then :)

[@konstantinrebrov675]

​@@Tresla There is a slight caveat to that. I'll tell you that the universe is a computer simulation, and that evolution is just an algorithm that seeks to a particular intelligent design. The blueprints for life themselves are intelligently designed, pre-programmed as templates of sorts, as a computer code. But already made lifeforms don't pop out of nothing, so evolution exists as an algorithm to strive towards the humanoid form. Convergent evolution on different planets exists because the destination of evolution is the same, the blueprint of the humanoid form. Now let me tell you, there are billions of habitable planets in the universe. And in 8 billion years, when the Earth becomes uninhabitable, or perhaps even earlier than that, the souls of humans will transfer onto other planets. Let me tell you that reincarnation is real, souls get recycled after death, however human souls cannot go into animal bodies unless they have lived a life of animalistic depravity. Usually they get reborn as another human again. However when the Earth cease to exist then the human souls will get reborn on another planet with compatible bodies, of the humanoid form. Perhaps they'll look slightly different, due to the gravity and environment of that planet. Such as elves living on another planet somewhere in the universe, as depicted in anime. But I can tell you that many many people that are on Earth here today have memories of their past lives. Some were soldiers or knights in the past, others have memories of a person living on obviously another planet. So no need to worry about this planet. There are plenty of worlds to choose from. When you die you get reincarnated on another planet. In 8 billion years everyone will be living on another planets. Maybe Star Wars was right and there are other human looking people somewhere in the Universe. That's why I think self-improvement is so important. If you are lazy and stupid, then you'll reincarnate onto a primitive planet. If you are always learning, always working hard, doing what's right, then you'll reincarnate onto an advanced planet such as Pleiadeans for example. This is why I think that computer programming, physics, and mathematics is so important. The society of the Pleiadeans is advanced and they have high technology. So by becoming a STEM worker you are preparing yourself for life in an advanced planet. The souls of primitives are incompatible with them. Only advanced and enlightened souls can get in. Just like when you want to get into a top company you have to prepare yourself, as there is a rigorous selection process.

[@MichaKurzewski]

we are 2 years after AI supposed to take over in 2 months

[@SamuelChan-x2q]

Er 3 years ago nobody could have predicted the wide availability of LLMs. since then we have moved goal posts after goal posts to say it won't replace developers. But junior and Mid developers are struggling more than ever. All big tech is laying off people. Or have you moved goal posts so far down the line that we need all and absolute automation for AI to "take over"?

[@matt_milack]

I clearly remember that at the beginning of 2023, there was no question that we'll have AGI by the end of 2024.

[@flarebear5346]

If you think layoffs are happening because of AI you are very dumb

[@awesomedavid2012]

​@@SamuelChan-x2qAI still can't consistently make tests that compile, let alone correctly ensure code works. If you can't make tests, then you can't make the code to pass the tests

[@Gornius]

​@@SamuelChan-x2q Dude, massive lay-offs were caused by over-employment during pandemic. Junior developers struggle now because of these lay-offs - there is way more competition than it used to be. AI is not the reason why.

[@poc3607]

Developers are actually protecting businesses from making major mistakes. When stake holders start transforming requirements directly into code it will be a disaster.

[@pawelhyzopski6456]

I look forward to it. God bless crowd strikes 😅

[@TiroDvD]

Isn't HR already doing that by trying to police what words can and cannot be used for Variable names and Programming Language syntax?

[@stefanalecu9532]

What? ​@@TiroDvD

[@Derpaholic_rex_learning-m6x]

@@stefanalecu9532 He's referring to the extension of Political correctness into code, in circumstances where devs are unable to use descriptive variable names because those names could have triggering effects to certain groups of people. There is a debate to be had on this topic which i do not think has been had in most major companies, and what this sometimes results in is a reduction in technical clarity in exchange for either no positive impact or merely superficial impact. however it made good headlines for the company PR, and as such is a minor example of "stake holders" directly dictating requirements on the code itself (not the functionality) and how that can reduce transparency in some cases.

[@yurisei6732]

@@Derpaholic_rex_learning-m6x Well call me a radical but if someone is having a panic attack when they read a variable name, they might just not be cut out for programming.

[@Aliamus_]

I love it when someone in a, non-transferable, completely unrelated position, tells me how *my* job should be done.

[@genautelevishn5999]

if you do not radiate competence you might have to be told how to do your job

[@Aliamus_]

@@genautelevishn5999 Oh, I'm absolutely glowing.

[@pepperoni-pizza2457]

Soon chat gpt will replace CEO because they only do four things: -Increase product price -Fire people -Invest more in R&D -Buy other companies

[@Nerosink2000]

guess chatGPT can do roadshows and networking conferences and sign legal binding documents ?

[@mauricebetzel7845]

@@Nerosink2000 ChatGPT IS al language model, so it can talk every-bodies head of...

[@daviddickey9832]

​@Nerosink2000 good thing any person can do any of those things.

[@F_C...]

"Accountants and bankers can stop doing math once the calculator takes over"

[@Healthy_Toki]

unironically something a CEO might also hope for

[@kazmi401]

pkhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[@Axrover]

@@F_C... they don't. They rely on software now for that. Even accountants. The first thing that comes out of their mouth. "You got quickbooks?"

[@Razumen]

And they were right.

[@Anon-tt9rz]

pretty much same train of thought, they can replace bankers because calculator exists

[@tomiyokasensei]

Generative AI = “Everything gets shittier faster” We will need ‘AI free’ label soon

[@J3R3MI6]

You wish… AI will smoke you

[@lonewolfgabo]

Already is. Most publishing platforms of software requiere the developer to disclosure use of AI. with 20 years in the game developement industry, I have seen the worst coding in fresh programmers in the last two years mostly due to use of AI. There's a way to incorporate AI in the developer life, just not by doing it for you.

[@J3R3MI6]

@@lonewolfgabo And you’ll see them coding even better when GPT Next (100x) drops soon. Also I’m about a year or 2… a newb could make a Halo 5 quality game and better

[@adriaticace]

@@J3R3MI6 AI may eventually become "great" at programming, but the ones controlling it must have some degree of knowledge about the systems it is creating before using it. You can't have AI write a million lines of code and still have zero knowledge of what's going on, what the bugs may be, etc.

[@lonewolfgabo]

@@J3R3MI6 Only someone that think that knows what is talking about can say such thing. I see it with my own eyes everyday. You can't change knowledge gained from experience. You have to have a lot of pre-stablished knowledge to get the AI to ASSIST you. Besides at least when it comes to games most people is just refering to the graphics end of things. Ignoring totally what really takes to code a game from scratch and what makes a game tick. For example Unity forums is filled with new coders asking why they code isn't working. And somewhere along the lines you will see "chatgpt told me it was like this". More over, I have meet some of the so called "AI trainers" and they are very bad at coding. so what makes that? All smoke and mirrors. But It makes me happy because my work hour is getting more and more expensive!! thanks AI :D

[@spookimiiki5891]

things that are always 30 years away - Fusion energy - AI taking over

[@mindlessinfinite]

they probably already made free energy but it got snuffed out bc charging for energy is one of the biggest cash inflows

[@AverageMojaveMailman]

​@@mindlessinfiniteHe said Fusion energy, not free energy.

[@mindlessinfinite]

@@AverageMojaveMailman it has the same implications

[@AverageMojaveMailman]

@@mindlessinfinite It would be cheap, not free.

[@AshesWake-sf7uw]

@@mindlessinfinite free energy is an impossible concept

[@lhpl]

I don't believe in artificial intelligence, but apparently even the dumbest AI is not as stupid as this CEO.

[@MauricioMartinez0707]

"If you go forward 20 months from now,... It's possible that most developers are not coding" bro that's right now. I've got 6 hours of meetings tomorrow

[@sPanKyZzZ1]

I think ceo s should be replaced by AI

[@wizzyno1566]

Loads of people who dont know what a programmer actually does think this. Writing code: 10% of the job. Working out what code to write: 90 % of the job.

[@LyleAshbaugh]

I remember reading an article, in the mid 90’s, about a study showing it was 7%. But I’m old, so maybe it has changed since then.

[@SiimKoger]

I think even many programmers don't understand this. Depends on what kind of projects they have been working on. I agree that in 5 years AI could probably write new services from scratch pretty well, therefore set up startups much faster. Making changes to a 25 year old system however is much more doubtful.

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

You are in for a large shock then, No one is immune for what's coming. You think an A.I. can't work things out as it gets better exponentially while the average human struggles to improve 10% if any.

[@rendomstranger8698]

@@ShaneMcGrath. So let me get this straight. You believe that we are on the brink of ai being able to perform the jobs needed to create a better ai. Am I correct? If the answer is yes, we got bigger things to worry about than people losing their job. If the answer is no, stop pretending that you know what you're talking about. Because you're just spouting nonsense in that case. Actually, just stop pretending that you know what you're talking about in general because you know nothing about programming. By the time you know what kind of code fragment you need, you are already 90% of the way towards completing that code fragment. And anything higher level than that cannot be reliably written by an ai *designed to predict what the next word should be.* In fact, that is the part that truly demonstrates that people like you don't know what you're talking about. ChatGPT and the like do one thing. They make predictions. Same thing that autocomplete has been doing for longer than a decade. It doesn't think, it doesn't reason and it doesn't understand whatever it threw at you. It just predicts what the next word is most likely to be. If programming was that easy a programmers job would be nothing more than picking the next word from a list of words. While there are parts of high level programming languages where that is occasionally the case, even there is takes an understanding of what the purpose of a code fragment is to make it function as intended. Worst case scenario, programmers will be using ai to write their code snippets after figuring out what their program is supposed to do. Despite how much logic is involved, programming will always remain a job that requires structured creativity (same for most forms of art btw). Something that ai utterly fails at and might never be capable of.

[@J3R3MI6]

@@SiimKoger it will be able to both easily in less than 2 years

[@Chatsu8o]

These people believe developers, who are highly skilled.... will be replaced by AI, but that they, with their accounting degrees, won't. I'm not losing sleep because if I'm replaceable with AI, pretty much everyone else in the business definitely is, and about 2 weeks after that, everyone in the world will be dumber than the AI's and we'll all be jobless. Utopia or Armageddon, either way... we're all in the same boat. Well, that or they're completely wrong.

[@3dcomrade]

The problem with people like that is they're too "bookish" accountants and programmers are meant to think outside the book/what is written to understand things An AI accountant will unironically let frauds flourish as they cant use their connection to grab the neededndata For programmers. It means software companies can favor one hardware over the other even more compared to a human programmer that have a set of morals to follow

[@skylerfreeman1173]

@@3dcomrade As a senior dev my boss literally told us this : IF AI can take your job, then you weren't very good at it to begin with. Yes, AI can code (we use it at our work almost daily depending on what you consider AI), but there are so many other factors than just the code it's hilarious. AI Makes our job easier, not replace and I Love it. It's just a tool, just like you are to your job. If you're not as good as the tool then yea - get replaced :D

[@ai_outline]

It’s weird how they always only mention programmers, like AI can only do coding. Seems like a propaganda to reduce salaries 👀

[@avijit849]

yup it won't be just developers. everyone is in it together. ironically it was artists that were caught under the bus. earlier than devs. but they have adapted to some extent.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

Programmers will be the last job that is replaced by AI. Programmers and robotics engineers.

[@adammiller9029]

I was in a meeting with the head of AWS AI program, the woman was a complete nut job and couldnt comprehend why her kid's teachers thought having her kids use ChatGPT to do their writting assignments might be a bad idea. She insist that her kids were "so much more creative" using ChatGPT to do their homework and that it didn't matter how they got the answers to their home work questions so long as they had an answer to give. She further went to tout how proud she was to own a patent that she acquired by outsourcing work to a couple of russian programmers. Completely psychotic take one after another in that meeting. Thats the kind of person at AWS who is talking about AI and how developers work. She is the one responsible for how THEIR developers AI. They are doing ALL OF THE cocaine over there.

[@mayanktp]

developers are very sharp to feed her that garbage to make herself fool.

[@dmanzer16]

Anyone who says AI will take over software engineering clearly doesn't understand software engineering.

[@crystal_teardrop12]

It already does, regarding repetitive and trivial coding tasks.

[@duwangchew]

OH GOD PLEASE LET THEM TAKE MY REACT JOB, PLEASE PLEEEASEEE

[@OzzyTheGiant]

Instructions Unclear, AI rewrote React as Svelte

[@snowman2283]

nice pfp dude

[@vaolin1703]

That would be a blessing from the lord for sure

[@weiss7070]

can i take your job? bruh

[@Akrob55555]

I mean, React is the perfect fit for AI. I haven't written a single line of React code for months now. Just prompts. No idea what you're doing if you're not using it already. You're wasting your time.

[@Songfugel]

The end of programmers is truly near, but mostly due to bad CEO decisions, depression and nervous breakdowns

[@HhbwubAvybsb]

😆🤣🤣🤣🤣😆

[@Catamount1412]

I'm so glad we have MBAs to tell us what the future of computing and the tech workspace is going to be. Truly how would we ever understand technology without them

[@Astrogator1]

its not just tech its any of the sciences, medicine almost any engineering etc... Because these people have convinced the general public that they have their fingers on the pulse of the future, while not having a clue or pure hubris.

[@collynchristopherbrenner3245]

This is the strongest argument against AI I have encountered. Well done.

[@leroySteroy]

"Everyone is a coder now" LOL - most people don't know the difference between a text editor and a word processor.

[@captainarepa]

> AWS CEO: *thinking he can cut expenses* "Developers won't be necessary once AI is live and fully operational!" > AI Developers: "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe! I wonder where this logic bomb will go!" 😊

[@Th1200]

C-Levels are like the easiest jobs to replace with a cheap LLM if the tech is really that far to replace highly specialised engineers ...

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

C levels are the people who decide which jobs will be replaced

[@weftw1se]

Most management jobs could be replaced entirely with 90s era tech. Think about why it never happened.

[@projectsspecial9224]

​@weftw1se because of egos... I got more people than you 😅

[@kuhluhOG]

@@thewhitefalcon8539 sure, but how about middle management?

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@weftw1se Most management jobs could be replaced by a mop sitting on a chair. Think about why that never happened.

[@berbold]

In the Goldrush, the people that made millions were the ones that sold panning equipment and pickaxes. Nvidia.

[@SuperOblivionfan]

Difference here is that gold was actually valuable. AI on the other hand, not so sure right now

[@matheussanthiago9685]

​​@@davidomar742 the profit of 50 pickaxes sold in 1800 could've bought you a property in downtown LA that right now costs about 50M

[@testolog]

If no more devs, who will use aws? AI can build anything for company by own hardware is not cost.

[@iliassglitch]

Based

[@DevJonny]

That's the thing, their next silver bullet tech is nocode, what he is doing is a sales pitch for their app builder that is essentially just a rad tool. He knows what he's doing, it's marketing

[@testolog]

@@DevJonny Well, if there is no rats on high position in aws customers, they understand what is going on, and prefer to have own hardware, however issue what is comping after is more expensive that aws. So if AI will came, this company what is 80% will drop immediately. But for sure is marketing. I don't have illusion about it. But this marketing pretty painfull. Because there is no open position for job, because all stupid middle manager who wait to get AI for bals and get better place in company don't want to hire dev. Because manager don't understand programming and issue, they only understand own fart, sorry agile.

[@swagdtrain3574]

It won't be a total cutdown, software engineers will still exist but the demand for them will be significantly cut.

[@carlosjosejimenezbermudez9255]

@@swagdtrain3574 Tell me you have little experience in the field without telling me you have little experience in the field.

[@endaksi_channel]

CEO hires programmers to do the job, also hires PM to manage programmers. When in reality it is the programmers who manage programs that are doing the actual job. If AI is smart enough to manage programs then maybe CEOs and PM are not required either.

[@timlong7289]

People have been saying "you can stop programming now" since at least 1981 - remember "The Last One"? Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime. Nothing is going to kill creativity and originality like the current crop of LLMs.

[@sealsharp]

Remember when 25 years ago programmers were replaced by code generated from models because people could "just" model all business logic in UML? "Wait a sec", you think , "People assumed that business people would be able to model a perfectly accurate all encompassing model of all business logic?" and yessss~ for a moment in time. This was the plan: 1) sell coaching to business people 2) business people make models This was happened 1) sell coaching to business people 2) Business people rejected doing the stuff and had programmers do it instead 3) Programmers rejected the click-click model stuff and preferred to just write code 4) the end Now the main question: what happened to the poor coaches who coached people in this? Don't worry, a few years later, agile happened and now they are probably teaching advanced micromanagement.

[@DidYouExpectSomethingHere]

Re: Business people rejected doing the stuff That happened because they had to understand SOME technical details around the designs they wanted. That didn't work for them, because in the context of the previous (and current) system, they were (and still are) extremely accustomed to giving vague business-only criteria and requirements for a given product to developers who do most of the "details" work independently. Developers won't go away because we won't get an AI that can independently determine how to translate vague business requirements into concrete and appropriate architectural/technical decisions at any level until it's just about at the AGI level

[@BudgiePanic]

Real

[@TiroDvD]

The only honest Job Placement guy I trusted was one who agreed with me that "PMP is just the flavor the decade". All this training is a waste b/c it's valuable by exclusivity.

[@chronoshift1423]

This is so accurate😅😅😅

[@ardvar2585]

Too soon, I'm still sour about being forced to learn UML at uni.

[@Darklingza]

AI CAN do our jobs, but it needs fusion power to work.

[@MichaKurzewski]

with a hint of quantum computing

[@Dimas_Lopes]

we will build our own dyson spheres before that happens

[@Titere05]

We'll see who has the last laugh when we're self-driving a Tesla on Mars to our jobs at the fusion reactor

[@matheussanthiago9685]

Damn, I feel kinda deese after thar one I should pull my Theranos machine to make a quick full checkout with a single drop of blood And I'll pay for that with crypto-wallet through the web3.0, in the metaverse of course

[@Healthy_Toki]

all ai really needs is a plucky sidekick

[@ska4dragons]

Any sufficient lack of understanding makes anything indistinguishable from magic.

[@edgyzero6305]

banger comment

[@dankprole7884]

@@ska4dragons noice, stealing it for my LinkedIn

[@ska4dragons]

@@dankprole7884 You son of a ... Lol, I highly doubt someone else has never said that or something similar. I probably nicked it subconsciously.

[@dankprole7884]

@@ska4dragons ok I don't feel as guilty for what i have already done 😁

[@blazi_0]

Here's a concise explanation in short points: 1. AWS CEO claims AI may replace coding tasks soon 2. Video creator Prime skeptical of these predictions 3. Prime argues AI will lead to more software, not fewer dev jobs 4. Companies likely to use AI to build more, not cut workforce 5. "Everyone's a programmer" idea criticized; experience still vital 6. AI seen as tool for documentation and basic code, not replacing devs 7. Parallels drawn to past tech hype (e.g., early calculators) 8. Quality vs quantity of AI-generated code debated 9. AI predicted to change workflows, not eliminate need for devs 10. Overall view: programming will adapt to AI, not disappear Note: I didnt copy the transcript of the video and give it to claude so i dont waste my 30 minutes watching this whole video at all This comment is not written by ai at all You watched another "ai will replace programmers" video ok cool now you can go continue coding

[@dmgj4946]

1:00 Bill Burr entered the room

[@OneEyeShadow]

When AI can _replace_ competent programmers, we've reached the technological singularity anyway.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

cant wait. send the asteroid too, while youre at it.

[@roymarshall_]

Yep. That's the logical jump that MBAs never seem to grasp. Software development sits in a larger category of things that require creativity and innovation. AI won't replace single jobs, it will replace entire categories of jobs. Such as managers.

[@ivok9846]

i would just like to add you can smell grass too 15:52 ask ai how does grass smell.

[@iwanttocomplain]

​@@ivok9846 it says it is a green odour. This and many other tells, reveal that the ai mind machine is really window dressing for forced lay offs and restructuring or 'engineering' of societies and industries.

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

@@ivok9846 How does it smell? Most people couldn't tell you either, The A.I. will just look at all the answers of those who describe it and tell you, That's before they put chemical detectors on the robots and then they will tell you in more detail what the grass smells like.

[@ThiagoRochaA1]

Jensen from Nvidia: "AI will replace programmers". The amount of AI writing code for Nvidia products: Probably 0.

[@dan-cj1rr]

yea but not all jobs require that level of programming to work at nvidia thats the difference.

[@Lisekplhehe]

I don't know, they have some shitty code already. Don't ask me how i know lol.

[@ThiagoRochaA1]

@@Lisekplhehe probably shitty human code 😅

[@ThiagoRochaA1]

@@dan-cj1rr you are right. To me AI (in the current state) can to do things based on what was already done before and not good doing new things. And in the pace new tools are created and new features are required, AI code will always be replicating old patterns or it will need to be "babysitted" by a human to code in a certain way. And I'm not even talking about on how an AI will perceive others aspects of programming like optimization.

[@Lisekplhehe]

@@ThiagoRochaA1 Oh yeah, absolutely

[@asmrddict]

When an AI is entirely capable of doing your job it's only natural to assume that it can do everyone else's.

[@alexjblackford]

Hi! I just started learning to code (Python) and I actually enjoy doing it. When this video popped upon my recommended list my stomach dropped. Then I clicked on it and feel much better. Thank you.

[@immortalzombiegaming377]

Dont. Am a comp sci grad have been applying for over a year with pretty much no response. Do yourself a favor and get more involved in electronics

[@TheTaquitoProject]

@@immortalzombiegaming377to be fair, learning python is useful in general for basically anything STEM-related, even if not for CS

[@xdarrenx]

Shareholders to CEO: you only get your bonus when operational costs go down Main operational costs: employees CEO: AI will remove all employee costs This is the real copium, they are not trying to scare devs, they are trying to get their bonus by saying the main cost of the business will go away

[@Quaquaquaqua]

Imagine a non-coder trying to add a feature to amazon

[@J3R3MI6]

A cheap free AI will easily be able to do that in less than 2 years…

[@realkyunu]

@@J3R3MI6 In less than 2 years we will be 2 years away from AI being able to do that.

[@neharay9106]

​@@realkyunu😂😂

[@gab-123-abc]

good luck in amazon hell

[@JeroenO129]

Well, im a System Engineer at the callcenter of the tax authorities in my country. We are currently writing a solution architecture for our CCaaS solution and most solutions have app stores nowadays. So you can just pick an app for new features. I can see big SaaS suppliers using AI to push these features through apps.

[@dankprole7884]

To be fair, AI has replaced my need to Google stuff and click on the stack overflow link 😂

[@EightNineOne]

It’s so much more convenient to have chat GPT do it for you, I mean, it might occasionally lie and insert functionality from another language or add example js from like 2005 into a react question, but still

[@roymarshall_]

That has not been the case for me at all. There are a lot of problems where the broader design discussion and additional context that stackoverflow provides is the most valuable piece. GPT is great for very direct and simple questions.

[@avg_user-dd2yb]

Not always, ai is good for problems that are solved, stack overflow is still useful.

[@iwellbreastfed]

Documentation and forums still beat ai for me

[@streettrialsandstuff]

Guys, like, honestly, if you need StackOverflow that much you must be doing something weird. Normally, I find all my answers in the official docs.

[@Lucaash]

I'm gonna leave the same comment here that I left on the AI grind channel for the same topic: "AI enthusiastic manager who has not written a single line of production code in decades and who constantly comes up with stupid unrefined ideas that devs somehow have to adapt, gives advice to developers because he read few whitepapers and saw few highly tailored demos and was impressed by it"

[@M43782]

"Fake demos " 😂

[@bomcimtube]

I don’t know AI but automation is continuously replacing workers in the chemicals and pharma industries.

[@Discoverer-of-Teleportation]

How bro 😢

[@foxtrotdelta225]

As a physicist the only thing I can say in regards to fusion is that in 50 years we’ve went from being 20 years away to 10 years away. Yet to be seen if AI could claim the same.

[@VollstandigErleuchtung]

If only fusion reactors we're actually something anyone cared for. It's not upto what's cool, or good for the environment, it's about if it'll generate enough money ti replace the current money supply of the grids we have today, if it can't make enough of a difference, or has negative impacts on the people that rule, heck it's a risk, why risk if you already got millions or billions. Combined that problems with the difficulty of making something like that then you get no fusion reactors. Ai on the other hand, that's an entirely different story, for more reasons than we could guess. Even if mainstream ai dies down, ai will continue to be pushed and used cause how versatile it is.

[@dan-bz7dz]

Why do these large corporations hire these clowns?

[@hebozhe]

Fragile CEOs need soothsayers and hype men.

[@semiclassical7620]

Because those clowns are also the ones doing the hiring...

[@01rnr01]

No ownership…

[@bigjohn1111]

Nepotism and influence.

[@Derpaholic_rex_learning-m6x]

Its the natural decay of an organization. At the start, the people involved have vision, and the vision made the company succeed, but they begin doing less and less engineering and more and more selling. In an organization based around selling, those who rise to the top are the sales people This means those who are promoted become less and less knowledgeable about the systems, and more and more proficient at filling that gap by selling ideas regardless of their accuracy Eventually, the old hat leadership retires, and the new leadership steps in with no idea how the ship runs, and it decays. Either resulting in a new wave of leadership stepping in after a period of loss, or a collapse of the company. See steve jobs interview about the fall of xerox What makes amazon interesting is bezos knew about this patter, and incorporated "day 1" into his leadership principles to try to combat this. But this all decayed when jassy took over, and the leadership principles are all but abandoned (which makes sense, as they stopped being intended for leadership) I would not take anything anyone at amazon says seriously unless they are a mid level or SR engineer, any higher then that you get to by playing the office politics, and not by being good at your field.

[@CallousCoder]

AI consumes itself. If no new code is written by real developers, then it can’t be trained on the new things. And who’s going to maintain that AI generated crap when it doesn’t properly work?

[@DevJonny]

I think we will probably see the raise of a programming language that takes advantage of AI

[@CallousCoder]

@@DevJonny I don’t, you know why not? Because AI can’t think and create on its own. It basically just copies shit people have created and uploaded to GitHub. So when there’s an AI language, and real humans don’t code in it, it won’t have anything to regurgitate. And I’m still waiting for the first copyright lawsuits to happen, over stolen IP 😉

[@williamdrum9899]

Hell, code made by people barely works as it is.

[@CallousCoder]

@@williamdrum9899 AI is a collection of the most predominant collection of crap code written. This is why you don’t see any good AI generated code. And thus maintaining 100% AI crap will even be worse than all the crap the developers in the last 15 years have created.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@williamdrum9899 Its a miracle anything works at all

[@dedalusow]

"Any fool can write code that a computer can understand. Good programmers write code that humans can understand." -- Martin Fowler

[@DeveloperToast]

Stealing this

[@philperry6564]

Martin Fowler is in no position to claim being able to write understandable code. It's quite the opposite.

[@dedalusow]

@@philperry6564Fowler is not claiming anything about his own skills here. Nor do Fowler's skills matter at all in understanding what he meant here.

[@J3R3MI6]

LLMs specialize in exactly that 💎 game over Martin

[@philperry6564]

@@dedalusow It is implied. Can't believe that has to be said.

[@captaincavemonkey]

I have played around with all the publicly available ai's for coding... unless there is a "QUANTUM LEAP" forward... I am not worried about losing my job

[@TopHatSquad667]

Just remember if the ai stops working or everything stops working, then who’s gonna be there to fix it? That’s right, us.

[@fafaratze]

"end of coders" is a marketing tactics

[@eagleeagle7360]

and also a way to lower salaries

[@Kane0123]

AI depends on training data. But according to senior management “we aren’t like others in the industry”. Therefore I’m safe.

[@supern4ut3]

The goal is to maintain the AI hype and keep the stocks rising, as this bubble will inevitably burst soon. That's why we're pushing the narrative that AI will replace developers.

[@williamdrum9899]

Bingo

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

The truth is usually some where in the middle, For sure the A.I. bubble will pop at some point, But those who think it is not going to be disruptive in many areas of the workforce are clueless as well. Mass layoff everywhere already with A.I. and it's really just in it's infancy, With exponential growth there is going to be a shitstorm that many aren't ready for. Either the bubble bursts before then and everything goes back to normal or people better be ready.

[@25w-g6c]

is the mass layoff because of AI or was it because of company over hiring because of covid

[@andrewyork3869]

Disagree slightly I think there is a lot of money in developers to highly dependent on AI.

[@realkyunu]

@@ShaneMcGrath. Exponential growth is a myth my friend.

[@alexhartan]

Bro, thank you for sheding some light into this and not falling into low hanging narrative that sells and helps nobody.

[@ShinobiEngineer]

18:30 That carpenter analogy is so on point... I'm stealing it! 😅👌

[@roccociccone597]

I am pretty sure we could replace CEOs before we can replace engineers in any field.

[@J3R3MI6]

It could but CEOs will use it to replace YOU and then they’ll use it to do their own work while the rack up bank 🏦 I love it

[@TomNook.]

Remember when they said the dawn of computing would mean no one would have to work again.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

To be fair, labor productivity being what it is, we could all live in luxury working maybe 10 hours a week. But that would give people time to think about other things that are going on, and the people in charge dont want that.

[@matheussanthiago9685]

​@@TheSuperappelflap"people in charge" you can say capitalists, it's all right

[@Peapod901]

But in a capitalist system, that just leaves everybody poor. The utopian AI future is only possible under communism or socialism

[@thesenamesaretaken]

Agriculture meant less work as hunters or gatherers. Then the steam engine was invented so we had to do less work as farmers. Then came the service economy so less work as manual labourers. Oh well, maybe this time the new magic technology will create post-scarcity? (It won't)

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@Peapod901 Not if you tax the fuck out of it. Which of course wont happen. They only tax the poor.

[@esbrasill]

Cloud guy mumbles leak... would that not be called 'rain'?

[@raptorate2872]

Stop it please, get some help

[@zwerko]

25:30 - Any sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology.

[@nikoairike6005]

Your point about Amazon using AI to cut op costs but actually boosting developer productivity was spot on. I used to think it was just wishful thinking on your part, but now I see it's the AI doom-sayers who are out of touch. AI will rarely replace all aspects of any given job, and even if it could, people would still be needed to manage and use these tools. In the end, AI is just another tool, like a hammer, chainsaw, coding language or a platform. Great vid, good points, keep it up

[@PhillipParr]

I've been making websites for money for 18 years. I've been the code monkey, senior, manager, coordinator of third parties, person that defines the coding standards in the org, etc. I can say pretty categorically that almost nobody is at a skill level to knock out code good enough that it's not going to be re-written / criticised by someone else within a short period of time. That person is even going to be future you, criticising past you. AI is learning (but not actually "learning") how to code based on this code. My first human experience of this was being brought back into a company I'd left to rectify an issue from someone who knew how to copy and paste from Stack Overflow, but not actually how to understand what the code that'd been copied was doing. (Yes, I'm classing this person as a human AI, as he was acting like a LLM). We're safe for a while.

[@J3R3MI6]

You’re safe for maybe 1yr max…

[@PhillipParr]

@@J3R3MI6 Still waiting for the flying cars.

[@J3R3MI6]

@@PhillipParr they’re called drones, AI will be piloting them, they’ll be quieter, and they’ll be everywhere by 2030 (latest). AGI will be here much quicker than that. Hang tight buddy.

[@vladsikorsky7931]

> Coding us just kind of like the language that we talk to computers. It's not necessarily the skill in and of iteslf. I thought this breed of "managers" went extinct like a decade ago.

[@plaidchuck]

These guys in right now are there for one reason alone which is to cuts and become profitable

[@meryplays8952]

Good threat to re-negotiate salaries, downwards.

[@detdm]

Steve Ballmer - "developers, developers, developers, developers" Matt Garman - "AI AI AI AI AI"

[@LehmannMr]

Before AI will do the job of programmers AI will replace AWS CEOs.

[@lelsewherelelsewhere9435]

Ever hear of this, definitely what's happening now. Jevons paradox: "occurs when technological progress increases the efficiency with which a resource is used (reducing the amount necessary for any one use), but the falling cost of use induces increases in demand enough that resource use is increased, rather than reduced." Example: Fuel efficient cars increase the demand for fuel, as more people can afford cars.

[@ilmiahgunggus7078]

In that case, programming cost will be cheap but the coding demands will be increased, as the AI can make coding more efficient, cmiiw

[@mytechnotalent]

I am so fortunate to work for an Executive who is an Engineer. The statement from Garman shows his lack of understand what it means to understand what the product is actually doing. If it were that AI would code everything, what happens when people die from the software? Do they simply have an acceptable death rate or will they be sued to non-existance? I agree with Prime that they will simply make more products, faster.

[@TF242]

Key to remember that using AI isn’t free it’s super expensive, so the idea of replacing engineers with cheap AI is ridiculous. Also the reality is that at a big company the decision makers to bring in AI will have no clue what they are talking about or what AI is.

[@albanx1]

I have been working on AWS Ui (cloudwatch), we were very aware the of the UI, but was quite hard to innovate it as it was never a priority for the leadership. priority was always deliver some great feature to show off on Re:invent

[@IntelSence]

I love the way to tackle this issue, its more like a hyperbole as a programmer myself and heavy user of GPT almost daily its not even close to replacing us with all of its fallacy e.g Heuristics Nuanced judgment Bias Quality of Corpus Data Set Hallusination coherence, and adherence Fallacy Accuracy Precision Recall Perplexity F1 Score its more like marketing I use sage maker, LEx and bedrock of AWS and all I can say is its more promise than premise I end up building I own localhost model using FM than using there services

[@HalfMonty11]

It's just another example of how when it comes to dev, CEOs have no idea how the sausage is made. It's magic to them and so so many problems when it comes to managing developers comes from fundamentally not understand anything about dev.

[@BlackTrusty]

It's concerning... The resources companies allocate often depend on their perception of the market. If a trend emerges suggesting that developers are unnecessary, why would companies invest in them? AI isn't going to take our jobs anytime soon, but the notion that developers are becoming obsolete can certainly affect salaries, job prestige, and the availability of positions.

[@krumbergify]

The greatest dangers is if people stop trying to become developers, then these hallucinating robots will be the only option left.

[@BIGAPEGANGLEADER]

This is a big problem in the short term, but medium term, companies hiring and investing in devs should outperform ones who do not (on average). This should correct the nonsense floating around right now.

[@HobbitJack1]

@@BIGAPEGANGLEADER Yep. Large language models (really doesn't deserve the moniker 'artificial intelligence' if you ask me) fundamentally lack the skills needed to compete with devs in the medium-to-long term. The Human brain is more than just a series of weights and multiplications, after all, and it turns out billions of years of evolution aren't going to be topped by some college-level linear algebra running really fast.

[@rupeshgupta5860]

Excited for the day when this AI bubble pops.

[@bigh1708]

Why can't it? The majority of the powershell I write now is 80-90% gpt based. I just have to check it, and in most cases add more context. It's cut our dev time down by hours. I've now been doing this for 6-8 months... I've also done a lot of c# with gpt, but it's not quite there yet. For report writing, gpt does around 70% of the work. You are putting your head in the sand if you don't think this is actually happening.

[@ey00000]

Script kiddie

[@chrisjones658]

This is a very good way of framing it. Advances in robotics are going to put way more jobs to the wood chipper than AI. There will absolutely be a point when repetitive physical jobs can be automated at low cost (low cost is doing A LOT of work here for sure), there will absolutely be a point where a company chooses to begin phasing in a lot more automation in logistics and those jobs will just disappear. But as has been pointed out time and time again, long term, getting rid of shit jobs is a good thing and life goes on and new things pop up.

[@tomikexboii5403]

As someone earlier said here: If AI can do the job of a senior software engineer, I see absolutely no reason why it couldn't do the job of a CEO. Right now the Shareholders and Corporate boards are still taking their breaths after the flurry of AI development but soon enough we will start to hear rumors and then confirmations that the *ACTUAL* Capital owner class will want to remove their managers too.

[@IvanRandomDude]

What's funny about these AI coding tools is that Cursor, a product made by several people, is miles ahead of Copilot, Amazon Q, JetBrains AI and other similar products by Big Tech companies that pumped billions into these things. ROFL

[@Shonicheck]

Don't know about cursor, but funnily enough that's a pattern. Big tech products are usually ridiciously over-engineered bloats that barely perform the tasks they need. Its a pattern in both open and closed source

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@Shonicheck Big tech companies just have a terrible hiring process and terrible bureaucracy. How do you get in? They hire people usually fresh out of college, masters and phds only. What does that mean. You are hiring people who are really good at memorizing data and filling out tests and repeating what other people have done before. Then you throw a bunch of money at those people and say "Go, now make something new". Theyll just do what theyre good at, which is repeating things other people have done before. And thats how you end up with products like that.

[@Arcidi225]

Well, maybe it's because of where those billions are allocated? Because it's not allocated to engineers, no need to invest to them when in 3 years ai will replace them right?

[@gracjanchudziak4755]

Using these AI tools makes you an undeveloped version of yourself in the long run, in contrast to a scenario where you don't use them. You are better only in short run.

[@Dean.....]

Don't worry, as we speak, these tech companies are well on their way to "regulating" AI machine learning so that only they have the power to develop and control them. Problem solved. But don't worry, I'm sure they'll talk about deepfakes, pom, music and artist copyright infringement and how all these things are hateful and harmful to you, the individual and to society as a whole, and most of the people who have a seething hatred for AI will gladly eat up all that tripe and push for the regulation of AI not knowing the consequences.

[@AntonFoekema]

Actually as ChatGPT has evolved, i have changed my opinion on this. In the first few months with the earlier versions i though that end of coding was near but not any more. AI can do a lot where coding is concerned but you still need someone who can see what the code does to sift out the "errors" that still occur and the real big problem with AI is that its code is too complicated in places where something far simpler and much faster would do the same thing. AI code is not perfect

[@Gornius]

It's like companies forgot why code reviews exist in the first place. Code written, deeply understood by a human, and tested needs a code review, but code written by LLM that hallucinates somehow doesn't? What's the logic behind it?

[@101Mant]

It's frequently not even valid code. Not just bugs but actually won't compile or run.

[@gamechannel1271]

Most code spat out by chatgpt can be found in almost its exact same form stolen from stack overflow. Chatgpt is simply just a better search engine than google.

[@oo_rahbel_oo]

so true

[@Arcidi225]

Well, when I first saw chatgpt I was scared of what it could do. But again, it was much better product in the first month.

[@rafaelfreitas7080]

Prime has a point. We should ask ChatGpt to summarize the mistakes on our fusion reactor plans.

[@olehdevua]

8:14 LOL. If I'll be sad, I go to this video to see description of my work in one startup

[@itsnumpty]

Bots are flourishing in here already wow

[@Leonhart_93]

Fewer than expected actually, considering the vast majority of them will post the moment the video is added.

[@NostraDavid2]

In the future the www will only be bots talking to bots.

[@Likemea]

what bots

[@J3R3MI6]

Only bots I see are those pretending like AI didn’t just steal their programming job

[@notrhythm]

you be arguing with one and you'd never know

[@derekp6636]

you just gotta tell the AI to "no hallucinations" then it just works, no more programmers/devops needed :D

[@neppallv]

To be honest, what I'd love to see is more small businesses emerging from AI, rather than just mega-corporations dominating the space. This would help create a truly decentralized tech ecosystem instead of one controlled by a few large companies.

[@veryCreativeName0001-zv1ir]

lol good luck paying off those big cloud bills unless a billionaire / tier-1 VC / FAANG invests in you. the entire nature of the tech industry is high growth and eventually dominating the market to turn a profit and generate ROI for VCs

[@neppallv]

@@veryCreativeName0001-zv1ir Unfortunately, there's a lot of truth to this. Ideally, I'd love to see big tech become more decentralized.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@veryCreativeName0001-zv1ir There are already like 20 million apps that use AI that run on those cloud platforms and there are a million new ones every day. If you can make a product people want to pay for, the cloud bills are the least of your worries.

[@a5cent]

Not happening. Google, MS, Amazon buy up everything that shows itself to have potential.

[@funkmedaddy]

That's pretty much an oxymoron, you need such a ridiculous and obscene amount of compute to make any useful model that only big players can afford that

[@aniellodimeglio8369]

Exactly. Replacing the manual is a good use of AI. Especially for rarely used calls or use cases even.

[@steve_jabz]

"Bro please just trust me they're just coping everything is gonna be ok bro" "If they fully automate coding, that will just mean people suddenly want 1 trillion times more apps, so demand for developers will rise 1 trillion x because someone has to maintain them. I mean it's not like they can code themse-"