2003

#NationalInterest Many students of foreign ethnicities are protesting on US campuses against their own country's governments. Unable to voice their dissent in their own countries, they choose to protest where they can. This trend echoes discussions on the 'globalisation of revenge' dating back to March 8, 2003, as highlighted in Shekhar Gupta's analysis on #NationalInterest. Watch:
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[@desistarktm7270]

Conclusion: Intr0specti0n is haram in peaceful religion.

[@ShivShankarRama]

Right on 😂😂😂😂

[@GroundOfAllThings]

If they introspect it means they r doubting the God and is sinful what can we say LoL

[@olah22]

True.. These Islamist are poisonous

[@priyanks91]

Did you miss the ending ? The jibe about JNU It will happen anywhere free voice is suppressed

[@youdekho]

By this logic, Chinese also can't protest in their homeland...have you seen a Chinese terrorist ? (they are 1.4 billion in numbers)

[@garvitbhardwaj]

Unfortunately, in the name of democracy more hardline Islamist acquired power, like Muslim Brotherhood

[@elliotalderson2007]

Have you heard of sanatan sanstha?

[@aemssw2387]

Muslims majoritily support Islamist ,Right ?

[@aemssw2387]

​@@elliotalderson2007Real God hates Muslims He punishes Muslims in Gaza & everywhere

[@rutvikrs]

​@@elliotalderson2007even if you paint them in the worst light, where are they in power?

[@abhishekdas66]

​We have heard about 9/11...you might not be aware yet😂​@@elliotalderson2007

[@anshu_1601]

Do not agree. The gamechanger in India was Gujarat 2002. The message was clear. Violence, as in Godhra, would not be tolerated.

[@rajaramakutty9088]

Do not agree. The game changer was in 1984.....Congress 'genocide' of Sikhs.

[@HeavenRacer422]

Because of that retaliation Gujarat remained peaceful. And investment came to Gujarat. Fear of retaliation will stop vio|ence.

[@a.k.-72]

Even now they are calm because of that reason. They fear strong retaliation if they cross a line. Some of them are still trying to make a bomb or two but are apprehended most of the times as the morale of the security agencies is up. Our media only highlights the cases where security agencies fail, we don't come to know of the cases where agencies succeed.

[@urrasscal8380]

not doing complete popul. xchange during ppartition was a blunder by congress.

[@importantsomeone153]

@@urrasscal8380 blunder or strategy of congress to get more muslim votes

[@michmasala2984]

You conveniently left out monthly bombings that were happening across Indian cities before BJP came to power in 2014. All of them done by Indians of only 1 particular religion .

[@Anp562]

Taklu is apologist of the bombers

[@a.k.-72]

I have not heard such a stupid and illogical analysis ever. A crypto-Mu$£im, in order to whitewash crimes of his bi0logical father's community, has gone to lengths to cherry pick facts and come up with a illogical analysis. Such is his desperation! The crypto-Mu$£im seems to be forgetting that during the democratic Sonia Maino's 10 years rule, when M community was appeased with all kinds of sops, when Ms had first right on all the resources of the country, the terrorist violence against India was at its peak. The only festivals when there were no bomb blasts in the country were the two Eids. Now, they have calmed down a bit because of pressure from BJP. Some are partially calm only because of fear. Some Ms are trying even now, but our agencies are apprehending beforehand. Earlier same agencies were confused and their hands were tied. On one hand, the Khangress government used to award Batla House martyr Mohanlal Sharma with a bravery award 🏅 , on the other hand Sonia Gandhi used to shed crocodile tears at 'fake' Batla House encounter. The morale of agencies had been broken.

[@exelrode]

He leaves out a lot of important details, his research is shoddy

[@greenrico10]

Does sanatan sanstha also bleong to Islam? Or did you mean hinduism when you said 1 religion?

[@Anp562]

@@greenrico10 Who did they bomb?

[@desistarktm7270]

If Indians had Netanyahu instead of Nehru in 1947, He would've definitely implemented the 'complete population exchange' following "Direct action day" and guess what,, we would never had this 'Hindu-Muslim issue' ever again.

[@_kartik_chauhan]

Pakistan would had collapsed for sure Even bangladesh

[@80sidd]

But there are 2 million Arabs in Israel

[@elliotalderson2007]

why do Indians keep coming into the US. They should vote carefully.

[@elliotalderson2007]

If your father had protection then i would not have the misfortune of commenting on this shit.🤣🤣🤣

[@_kartik_chauhan]

@@elliotalderson2007 have you lost your mind ????

[@John11747]

Seems like SG has completely forgotten about Indian Mujahideen flourishing under UPA regime...

[@a.k.-72]

Mujahideen are his people bro - his bi0logical d@ddy's community.

[@kishorelalith]

This National Interest is a very warped piece of opinion. This is trivialization of the concept of revenge. Revenge against whom and for what? And how are the Africans protesting/avenging for what the continent went through during the colona era? What about the Hindus and Kashmiri Pandits in particular? It ignores the number of bombings that India saw during the NDA1 and UPA era. Extremely superficial and warped piece this one is.

[@ksquare1466]

Jaa na re gadhe

[@abhinavr8402]

This has to be rated as a top-notch piece when it comes to intellectual dishonesty. The sophistry of language and cherry picked data is cleverly used to hide any scrutiny of the radical philosophy that guides 'banging a plane into a building '. SG has beautifully demonstrated that unhypenated journalism is just a marketing gimmick!

[@ranjithkumar3480]

The immigrants also got votes in their new countries. I don't think it worked out well for those nations. India also had islamic terrorism. SG is talking as if nothing has happened in India in the name of islamic terrorism. Indian origin terrorists didn't have global stature. That doesn't mean there was no one who was involved in terrorism. The irony of this article is he started out with compassion of Europe and he is now giving gyan to the world on the compassion of India. This over smartness is what ruined Europe.

[@karthigeyang.2917]

Flawed reasoning.!! Completely disagree with his reasoning of revenge via voting out through election. This is purely because of the way Indian society embraces them at large. You can have few fringe elements but by & large our society is very inclusive and comforting for all religions.

[@vishal3539]

Let me make it simple for you Mr Gupta the reason of this violence in Europe = Islam.

[@elliotalderson2007]

India = Hindu muslim agenda not working any more.

[@sreekantaniyer8744]

A very good analysis indeed. Another reason is religion Islam and its concept and hatred for other religions.

[@shivanshu111]

no he won't accept that

[@VijeDerm]

SG, what happened here during anti CAA protests and anti Agricultural law protests with involvement of islamo lefto liberotados with support from Canada Uk USA lefty Islamists. Speak about how they undermine the freedom of non protestors. How they circumvented the parliament act. These protests were India’s Spring movement

[@raghunathphadnis6541]

You have twisted logic when india and JNU is mentioned. Opposition of every description is going hammer and tongs against elected government . Isn't it stupid to protest in US for that girl?

[@AmalTan]

To sum up SG is saying that people from Muslim countries who are not able to protest/attack at home(because of authoritarian govt), do so in the West because: 1. They have the freedom and 2. They feel that west is the reason that they have authoritarian govts at home. But the other side of the argument is that should West allow the likes of Muslim Brotherhood, Imran Khan and other Islamists to come in power, will it be any better? Terrorism that is spread by non-state actors will be done by state actors themselves. It is about choosing the lesser evil, so Western policy is absolutely right.

[@amul3013]

Bro have you read your books (Qran & Hadis) with translations? Please do that and come debate with any X Muslim Chanels( Sahil/adam seeker/Sachwal) that Terrorism that is spread by non-state actors you will come to or get educated that where the Ideology coming from. You will get the answer once read it fully not selectively. pls do that.

[@prateekkumar9873]

"History doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes."- Twain

[@sandipprabhu]

Shekhar and his twisted philosophies!

[@desistarktm7270]

Whom should i support, Israel or Palestine? Palestine supports Pakistan. Israel supports India. Palestine is Pakistine.

[@riteshsinghchoudhary115]

Palestine is under settler colonial control, India was under such condition. More like South Africa though. India fought against colonialism, fought against apartheid in SA. India have always supported palestine openly. Israel is more like hindutwa trying to dominate. You decide.

[@desistarktm7270]

@@riteshsinghchoudhary115 funny. How come a 1400 yr old faith has 50+ countries and so called 3000 year old faith settlers have hardly one.?

[@desistarktm7270]

@@riteshsinghchoudhary115 hindutva and zionism are benign. jihad and sar tan se juda are real deal.

[@FloraFauna321]

​@@riteshsinghchoudhary115 what a twisted and flawed reasoning.... crap

[@mohammedroshankhan7912]

@@desistarktm7270 that is because you are confusing faith with ethnicity. And the other lot are chosen ones born into it… SAFYR

[@Ritz2701]

One of the best National Interest! Such a nuanced view brilliantly articulated by SG. Though I don’t agree with his brushing the real reason aside, the elephant in the room is the concept of ‘Pan Islamic brotherhood’. This persecution complex is impossible to address. Europe has committed the mistake of mollycoddling the radicalised immigrants and they have started paying the price already. Will the success of Arab Spring would have resulted in reduction in the radicalisation, we will never know.

[@doncorleone9297]

Your comment should be pinned for viewers to understand the real perspective.

[@HeavenRacer422]

Is|am is against democracy. And you think mus|im ßomßing others for democracy? China, Vietnam,Russia and many nations don't have democracy. Why none of them join such groups? You forgot the important think about Indian mus|ims. Majority of them must be. But their ancestors c0nverted fearing sw0rds. C0wardness is in their blood. Do you think they can go to syria risking their lives? When they form majority they showed you their color. Look at kashmir valley. What happened to hindus? There also peacefuls haven't joined |S|S. But does it mean they are moderate? One who believe in a book containing verses like sura 9:5 can't be moderate believing humanity.

[@vinod1147]

There were two agendas SG through this post... It was just a passing comment on Indian protester participating in these is because it has become difficult to do so in JNU. All of the whole story telling was to pass on message that India under BJP has become or becoming like Saudi and other Islamist countries. This is a Dhruv Rathi argument in the most veiled and sophesticated form not one but with two agendas. 1. Whitewashing pro Islamist protests 2. India is going under detectorship.

[@vinod1147]

It was just a passing comment on Indian protester participating in these is because it has become difficult to do so in JNU. All of the whole story telling was to pass on message that India under BJP has become or becoming like Saudi and other Islamist countries. This is a Dhruv Rathi argument in the most veiled and sophesticated form not one but with two agendas. 1. Whitewashing pro Islamist protests 2. India is going under detectorship.

[@regaliaretailfashionmerch4314]

Oh please, Is Radical Islam the reason why HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS AND ORTHODOX JEWS are also protesting the war in Gaza and Genocide. Israeli citizens also protested this week on the same issue. Civilian led protests of both Jewish and American born citizens is the other part of the campaign, student protests (in which foreign ethnicity students are in the minority) is just one part of larger struggle modelled after VIETNAM WAR PROTESTS IN 1960s Orthodox Jews, holocaust survivors and Jewish intellectuals Israeli and American, former IDF soldiers have all protested against war in Gaza BECAUSE LEADERS ARE BREAKING LAW AND ORDER, WASTING TAXPAYER MONEY, AND MURDERING CONSTITUTIONAL VALUES You are misguided and historically uninformed. Being delusional doesn't save us from any real terrorist threat. We have to tackle problems for their truth, not our version of it.

[@adityaaman2791]

The Azadi chant girl was a US national of Indian origin, nothing to do with not being able to protest at home

[@DSRao-wu5vp]

SG agrees there is democracy of dissent under NDA ?!

[@sauron2000000]

Yes

[@raghunathphadnis6541]

By your logic why protest against Israel when that is possible in Israel. It is stupid to protest in US.

[@cogito9350]

Gupta ji hars effort to sanitise the whole community, rhe disease as old as independent india who dont want to face certain bitter truth about south asian muslims , they sold us that look how secular they are they dont vote Owaisi , this is one group who do not vote for what they get specially the marginalized but vote on negation, and simple test is always looks for the district where muskims are close to 40-50 % and see many of secular vote choose a secular candidate

[@neilcoelho]

"History does not repeat itself. Those who don't learn from it, repeat it."

[@mg.f.9023]

True, Have to make sure another Adolf Hitler (who killed millions of Jews) should not be allowed.

[@pranavgada04]

Shekhar saying opposing statements in same breath - - Indian Muslims dont protest outside india because they have democracy - Indian woman protested in US because she had no democracy here

[@Anp562]

“They can’t protest in their own country so they choose to protest in the country that gave them refuge and welfare” - what lavda logic!

[@a.k.-72]

His life's biggest cause is - to provide shield to his bi0logical f@ther's community. General Tikka Khan of Pakistan Army, when ordering mass rapes of lakhs of Bengali women infamously said "A Muslim is never disloyal to his father."

[@goutamchatterjee7640]

How Attack on Mumbai or parliament can be explained Shri SG sir?

[@desistarktm7270]

What are "Free Palestine" and " Free Kashmir " protests? Ans: Once upon a time, The natives in Kashmir and Israel either welcomed or Ignored rising Muslim population just like us today. But for Islamists, anybody's land can become the "Land of Islam(Darul Islam)" through Muslim conquest/Immigr@ti0n/Strategic interfaith relationships/Dawah/high birth rates. But once it becomes Darul Islam it always should stay as Darul Islam and Non-muslims shouldn't have authority over it. If Kaphirs don't comply they'll resort to war & simultaneous victim blaming (aka Free Kashmir and Free Palestine)

[@supratikghanti2675]

Lol 😂😂. Israel was a Muslim dominated region. Muslims welcomed jews and jews killed them

[@PanakaluPoonakam]

India's official security doctrine includes 2.5 front war. I will let people untangle what that "0.5" portion is about. Cheers and best wishes!

[@PanakaluPoonakam]

India spends ~ $3 billion on internal security. And we all know who causes our "internal security" issues. Shhhhhhhhh, be silent .Cheers and best wishes

[@noneoftheabove666]

Stop comparing the Palestine issue with Kashmir. It is nothing alike. Kashmiri Hindus did not come from a foreign country and illegally settled in the lands of the natives like the "European" Jews did in the Arab lands. We are not like them. We are not foreigners

[@desistarktm7270]

@@noneoftheabove666 tell that to those muslims who shout both slogans in the same protest..

[@sundarrajk]

Just like the safety valve in a pressure cooker. So @theprint #ShekarGupta think that somewhere India is going in that direction as some seem to want us to think? Your last couple of lines seem to hint at that conclusion.

[@Saryam_dy2864]

Xi Jinping will be remember as great leader in the world- Reason- He is not as successful in economic field. But he solve China's social problems like Xinjiang, Tibbet Inner Mangolia. Economy to up down hoti hai but social issues kisi countries ko duba deti hai .

[@FloraFauna321]

If a batsman decides a shot before the ball he misses an opportunity. Similarly if a journalist decides his conclusion and then force fits all observations misses an opportunity and risks being called agenda driven and hyphenated journalist and shallow. SG you have just done that in this episode.

[@anilmenon3701]

Master stoke at the end, " The woman who was chanting AZADI slogan in US can not do it in JNU". The leftist in you always comes out. Why is such slogan dud not come out to another Indian University, except may be in Kerala???

[@shailendrak9185]

Shekhar just washing those dirts

[@yoursetc]

In which category would you place blasts, over the years, in Mumbai, Jaipur, Varanasi, Bangalore etc., or attacks like 26/11, Akshardham, Parliament etc., were they revenge or terror strikes ? What about gore violence during CAA protests? don't try to give character certificates to Indian Muslims

[@surendrabarsode8959]

1. We do not care about what happens in USA or what reason or whether as Shekhar imaginatively calls it globalization of revenge. But India must immediately pass a law banning any political activities and protests on the educational campuses. Any such act must attract removal from the university / college, passport blockage, any govt benefits being withdrawn. The idea is not to throttle democracy etc. but to allow students wanting to participate in political activities to go out of the education institutions and do whatever they wish, so that those who want to pursue studies, can do so peacefully.

[@raghuramivennam258]

People from countries don't have any right to protest should not be allowed to protest in other countries

[@elliotalderson2007]

Stay in your own country ,Indian.

[@123nash45]

People like you should not be let outside of their own house🥲

[@kaladass7194]

Congress did not deliver in wealth creation.

[@a.k.-72]

It will deliver in redistributing our wealth to Moo$£ims, especially Rohingyas and Bangladeshis. Who knows they might even invite Pakistani illegals to the redistribution party. Khangress ka haath, Moo$£ims k saath.

[@sandeshawasthi2088]

Sir , by this logic. There was no involvement of Indian Muslim balst like 1993 , and many other. Pak terrorist can be face but what about logistics support .

[@usual-suspect]

Ubiquitous State of Absurdity (USA) : Home of the Craven, Land of the Free-for-All.

[@Anp562]

24:28 and why should we not kick them out? These people are definition of “Jiss thali mei khaya usime ched”

[@aemssw2387]

We are Concerned about "Students" saftey in US😮😮

[@sauron2000000]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@easwaransanthakumar297]

SG is more dangerous than Rana Ayubb and Arfa Khanum Sherwani put together

[@kiritgk]

I Agree

[@abhishekjha1996]

When you use words like 'dangerous' for journalists just for their opinion, it shows how sensitive people is for freedom of speech and democracy. You certainly make their apprehension about freedom very true unknowingly.

[@zainabk9165]

Rana is now settled after halala from her in laws but gupte need more than one halala

[@vineetmishra2690]

@@abhishekjha1996ignorance can be dangerous. You are not the judge and jury on what prople can find dangerous or not. Journalist isn't a technical job description. Partisans and propagandists often resort to calling themselves journalists. More so over the past few decades. And as I said, even well meaning journalists can be dangerous out of ignorance.

[@abhishekjha1996]

@@vineetmishra2690 This is not your fault, as people tend to call a journalist dangerous of a leader as dictator when leader/journalists don't speak language what you like.

[@pradeepkheruka810]

Until the politics of revenge is called out, nothing will change. No amount of rationalising will bring out the truth.

[@poojasingla9693]

Taking revenge "democratically" is when that is the only option is left. For other means will attract brutal state response and bull dozer

[@hariharakamalcharan5900]

Shekar sir Best episode I have ever seen , Clarity is what we want and you have nailed it in this episode.

[@vd88888]

SG is blaming everything other than the root causr..i.e. madrsa and tea ching in the book

[@AC-om3pr]

An excellent thought provoking view. You are one of the 2 Indian journalists I listen to every day. Your view in this particular matter should have garnered more attention from the intelligentsia. If you are not from west, you don’t get recognition. Eagerly waiting for your book. Thanks for enriching our lives.

[@babkamath]

SG every time I think you have a great episode you get on to another one like this one. Different perspectives, and thoughts, we think that this along with CTC episodes 1447 , 1440 are really great work. Thanks SG, your views expressed in a non abrasive , persuasive and engaging manner are truly a great way to make people think. Well done.

[@raghvinderjoshi4667]

Very profound insight into the phenomenon of foreign students protesting in universities of the West. This should sound alarm bells in India. I hope that people of India are able to raise their voices against the high-handedness of Indian establishment, even when they vote for a strong government at the center. We should not have to see Indian youth protesting in US, because they are not able to air their grievances in India. A strong state need not be an oppressive state.

[@suneel7053]

Uff.. Whattay episode, it just goes on to show, how complicated the world and governing is, no easy answers for most questions, thank you SG sir.

[@klsimerknowledgeresourcece5492]

I am not in favour of your comments that they took revenge on Congress in UP by voting only to Samajvadi party. They voted against BJP just because Hindu word used by BJP. After 30 years this country will again divide on the base of Hindu and Muslim which you are not talking.

[@IKFWrishab]

you can cut this to max 15 minutes, by cutting on repetitions.

[@rshah84]

what explains scores of blasts in India between 2002 and 2014, many of them perpetrated by indian citizens? revenge against ???

[@kbmehta4208]

You may be right but there is too much of conjecture here. Possibly an extensive survey, provided it is carried out by non-agendadharis, may through up answers. You, certainly appear to have an agenda of keeping things in balance in spite of your ‘revenge’ theory. People can see what is said and what is implied, and when there is an agenda or ideology at work. If, The Print keeps to just reporting things as it is it would do a great service to India, please don’t try to balance things out. Otherwise, you are a very respectable media channel today, better than even old newspapers who have lapsed into taking sides, or ideologies or even have adopted role of opposition. Media’s core philosophy should be seeing and reporting, no spins please.

[@piyushagarwal1350]

It is an opinion piece. So you can gulp that in.

[@kbmehta4208]

@@piyushagarwal1350 Oh, is it? I didn't know. Normally I don't respond to such comments because the communication or feedback was for The Print. Anyway, 'in my opinion', in such cases Media Editors should restrict themselves to clinical analysis and conclusions that can be drawn from them. Let the 'opinions' part be left to guest writers, external experts or even interested parties. But, that's my opinion and for The Print, nobody else has to get concerned about it.

[@maheshp76]

quite insightful sir, a very different perspective of things. Showing the importance of democracy.

[@heeheeeeeeeee]

What about the pogram in Kashmir?

[@manasm8615]

Some of the best analysis as you don't went into politically correct tone.

[@deeeKaay]

Very enlightening and refreshingly captivating episode of this idea revisiting.

[@VictimHood-qv1hx]

Before 2014 such huge protest and damage to public and private property was common in INDIA.

[@lensviewbykaushik]

Shekar sir. This is the master piece from a genius.

[@maneeshbhardwaj1089]

Very good analysis and amazing ability to join the dots.. enjoyed.. you need to seriously think about starting a Strategy practice in this field..

[@seshnath1482]

Very professional articulation Sir. Salutes to you!

[@shobhnaparalikar9420]

Excellent analysis.

[@dmurty1]

One of the best blogs by you Shekhar Gupta.

[@nmd7654]

Gupta ji, problem is no one is talking about ""Globalisation of revenge"", other than you😊

[@urrasscal8380]

people don't have problem with globalisation ( may be less then 10%) but they have pproblem iislamb ( nearly 90% but most cases it is 100%).

[@srikanthshastry4546]

Truly awesome

[@p308t6]

You're the Best. I pray for you. Good Luck 🎉

[@ajeetrayakar7582]

Good thought process

[@jw8752]

Very interesting and correct assessment!

[@nasirqureshi1785]

गुप्ता जी जोर्डन, यमन, मिस्र, लीबिया, मोरक्को आदि अरब देशों में फिलस्तीन के सवाल पर बड़े प्रदर्शन हुए हैं और अब भी हो रहे हैं। सबसे बड़ा प्रदर्शन तुर्की में हुए हैं। अमेरिकन यूनिवर्सिटी में प्रदर्शन इसलिए हो रहे हैं क्योंकि अमरीका फिलस्तीन में चल रहे नरसंहार में शामिल हैं, सहभागी है। इन प्रदर्शनों में बहुत बड़ी संख्या में युवा यहुदी शामिल हो रहे हैं।

[@JiyoDilSe-qi9ut]

Hats off to you Shekhar

[@Riccardocampagnieri]

Dear SG, You can use a dual desktop 🖥️ for your work. This helps for your daily readings and editing work. Rather than stretching your eyes on a small laptop window and switching between different articles and sources. This is from my academic struggles. Keep posting, Regards, A Masters student.

[@ArunNalluri]

fantastic editorial!

[@bharathsonu]

Very well articulated 👍🏻

[@vikrantsood2053]

Amazing analysis

[@noneoftheabove666]

Some people are never loyal to the country they live in. Some are always loyal to Israel and some to the "Ummah"

[@sb9060]

History would not be able to repeat itself if it's parts learn from it...

[@bonchitogovindodas3333]

Shekhar ji, I would love of you read the Dune series and make a review of them. You'll probably like th3m

[@jahithsolanki6121]

Luv you sir ❤

[@Uncool-vn5vz]

There IS a protest happening in JNU. Indonesia is an interesting country though - not much violence exported from there.

[@desistarktm7270]

because it doesn't have neighbors.

[@urrasscal8380]

man u have no idea of indo nesia that country is as much radical as egypt or paapistan.

[@any7334]

Mr.Gupta is making acrobatic gyrations to say nothing actually. The very fact that he mentions the twin tower bombings as an act of revenge reveals the astonishing interpretation of that sad and pathetic incident.

[@sb3987]

Interesting take on the things.

[@reach2prasanna]

Absolutely appalled by Shekar's take on this. Why doesn't the left / liberals ever question the Islamic community? Why the onus is always on every non-Muslim to carry the burden of the mistakes committed by the Islamic community? Why should it's always the non-Muslims who have to "understand and accept" that Islam is still regressive and we need to be patient and give them time and space to change? How much time and how much space do we need to give and how long should we be patient with them? Europe tried this 20 years back and we're witnessing Europe being swallowed alive and no can do nothing about it.

[@indian9632]

You are expecting too much from leftists. They were the ones helped Islamists in Iran.

[@ss-su9ob]

well reasoned and imho, if I thing thru,This is really true.

[@ranjitinamdar]

Macro level conclusion is actually simple but inconvenient for SG. Indian culture, ethos and heritage is about peace and unity. Abrahamic religions, esp Isalm are not !! Relative peace and harmony in India in this context is due to Indian culture for past 5000 years....not because of Abrahamic religions but inspite of those....

[@AKSHARMA007-in1jn]

SG ji 🔥

[@australianrabari]

I am an immigrant myself.. and I live in a multicultural community in Australia..I want to disagree somewhat about the pathogenesis of hatred.. I have witnessed (and to some extent experienced myself) that as a new migrant, one may experience the deep longing for native country, its culture, history, etc. Paradoxically, the new migrants may experience more nostalgia, pronounced religiosity, and a feeling of otherness. The other factor may be some actual or perceived discrimination by the majority native population. Now these factors can affect certain migrant communities more than others, esp. refugees or other ghettoised socio-economically poor migrants or the one with poor education, etc. That can be a ready recipe for the extremism, I reckon, esp. amongst the Muslim community, which may be overrepresented with the above-mentioned adverse factors. I have to consciously move myself to avoid the ghettoes and consequent 'otherness feeling ' in my kid. I love my native country and rationalised form of Hinduism, but at the same time, I want my kid to assimilate and be thankful for the positives the new nation offers! Not everyone would share this viewpoint, though!

[@RR-vl1iu]

Muslims vote on Babri Masjid. Hindus vote on LPG price and unemployment.

[@venkatabhiram1688]

Excellent! Needs to be studied in detail, perhaps a thesis will help.

[@somjitchakrabarty3145]

SG, have you forgotten the Indian Mujahideen and the number of blasts between 04 and 14?

[@patmclaughlin107]

I am scratching my head listening to this. SG, why did you discount the terror attacks Muslims carried out in India, as recently as the one in Bangalore? Did they not have the right to protest there? Have they not already voted out the BJP by then? What explains the terror at and carried about by Muslims born and raised in the west? Most of them would have hardly gone to their ancestral countries. I think the answer lies in their religion. I just don’t understand why SG is overlooking that, or worse sweeping it under the carpet. What do the German Muslims mean when they say “Kilafat ist die Loesung” (Caliphate is the solution)? Are they fighting against the oppression in any middle eastern country? NO. It is purely religious fanaticism. SG has done exactly what those western bleeding heart liberals did - to not acknowledge that Islam has some violent and hateful concepts that cannot be reconciled with a modern liberal democracy.

[@vinod1147]

You caught one but missed out 2nd SG ran this post with 2 agendas: It was just a passing comment on Indian protester participating in these is because it has become difficult to do so in JNU. All of the whole story telling was to pass on message that India under BJP has become or becoming like Saudi and other Islamist countries. This is a Dhruv Rathi argument in the most veiled and sophesticated form not one but with two agendas. 1. Whitewashing pro Islamist protests 2. India is going under detectorship.

[@vinod1147]

It was just a passing comment on Indian protester participating in these is because it has become difficult to do so in JNU. All of the whole story telling was to pass on message that India under BJP has become or becoming like Saudi and other Islamist countries. This is a Dhruv Rathi argument in the most veiled and sophesticated form not one but with two agendas. 1. Whitewashing pro Islamist protests 2. India is going under detectorship.

[@samsarasagaram]

When they are in home country with conflicts and oppression with no rights, they are desperate to settle in peace. When they are refugees, they are desperate and hence show gratitude When they settle, they are independent now with lesser to no restrictions which is when they want to retriever their values, retain their cultural/regional identity and have issues with the other people who they will now view as equals. The same with students or legal immigrants, they will be triggered with their home country or religion. In India, it’s a different paradigm in general - they are local with equal rights, they don’t have to assimilate as it’s their birthright. You will always have fanatics but in general it’s not an alien space for them. The only way is for all communities to live together - unity in diversity. It is the feeling of alien assimilation with religions having centuries of conflict which makes it tough- unlike in countries like India where religious conflicts exist, but the aspect of alien assimilation is not there. You can have fanatics in India asking them to leave, but it has no legal or moral weightage.

[@hemant05]

11:35 it's not a complex thing, it's simply host and parasite thing

[@chavdarnaidenov2661]

Muslims in France & UK obviously could vote against a party there in oppsition to its Near-East policy, yet some of them chose terror. Muslims in India also have the option of a punitive vote, and the author thinks that in India's case the electoral valve will be enough to let out the steam? But he doesn't say why? Why is the "valve" wider?

[@sureshkumili3413]

Shekhar, I have been following The Print for some time now and have been a subscriber too. This episode of National Interest has to be one of your finest ones so far. Thank you for this perspective. Most wouldn’t have connected the dots across the ocean like the way you did. On a different note, just curious, looks like you searched for something on Google and you highlighted certain part of text in the results. Was it a quick fact check before you started recording for this episode? If yes, what was that? :)

[@Oswald820]

A very big reason is that Indian Muslims are ethically the same as Indian Hindus, the underlying commonality being 'Indian'. They are not a displaced group. It's not so with Islamic immigrants in Europe or USA where ethic,, racial and cultural differences are stark.

[@maxheart22]

Best chatugiri by SG

[@abhisheknayak9055]

This one is the best national interest ❤

[@anmolsingh-wl1kl]

What revenge? There should be any reason for revenge!!

[@J_1960]

You got it right again, buddy.....😊

[@umeshg5963]

Taklu washing off UC Islamophobia and freeing them from any guilt trips!

[@noneoftheabove666]

Any human being with a brain would be "phobic" about Islam by looking at the behavior of its adherents. Nothing surprising