Roe v. Wade: Law Professors Break Down What Happened | The Problem With Jon Stewart Podcast

[@tsukitty6420]

I am so grateful to have this show to come too to help me process all the events of the last few weeks. The guests are always phenomenal and Jon Stewart is able to keep up with them, and them with him.

[@cristinbuskard9250]

I’m so glad you have a platform now where you can come out and digest what’s happening when you want without the obligation of the output of a daily show.

[@Dan-nt2yb]

Bingo.👍🏾

[@veritas2222]

Yes, isn’t that just the way it oughta be!

[@kelkil79]

Not enough Left-Wing talking heads in the media, that's for sure.

[@DaenGaming]

The way Melissa speaks is incredible, I love her word choice/vocabulary. All three of them are so clear and well-spoken, such a great conversation.

[@bignamek]

Was coming here to say the same thing. I almost never seek out stuff from her (although I should), but whenever I get to hear her, I'm pretty much always blown away by how easily she puts things in perspective.

[@peace1655]

Was she supposed to not be well spoken. The terms you used to describe Melissa are derogatory. Inform yourself![

[@DaenGaming]

@@peace1655 lol wtf are you talking about

[@josephmorrell5336]

@@peace1655 so cynical holy shit

[@CTguy203]

I love her on TV. I was hoping biden picked her for the Supreme Court but Ketanji Brown Jackson is kicking ass using “originalism” against them.

[@ShartimusPrime]

I brought up the anti-whack law to my wife due to the bible says “wasting the seed” is a sin. So to be consistent, male masturbation should be illegal. For dude’s seeing this, as ridiculous as that sounds, that’s the reality women are coping with right now.

[@lindseysummers5351]

Another interpretation I have heard is that any man that masturbates is cheating on his spouse. So, could/should he be cited for adultery under those circumstances?

[@rembrandt972ify]

The Bible says knowing the difference between good and evil is a sin. Whatchya gonna do?

[@marykayryan7891]

Good point! Perhaps men who masturbate or father children against a woman's wishes should be sterilized. They did that to Native women and Black women in prisons ostensibly because they weren't equipped to have children. Clearly these men are not "equipped" and if we can control womens' bodies, how about mens' bodies?

[@derosa1989]

"sin" isn't illegal.

[@brucemarmy8500]

Which old testament story is it that mandrakes were exchanged between women for sleeping with the man? That is an early reference to terminating a pregnancy as Mandrake is an abortifacient. Learn something new, everyday.

[@stevenpinkerton777]

Great commentary! As a man who has participated in many academic mtgs, I really love how these 3 women, all of whom have something to say, do not talk over one another, they support each other. They seem to be bopping off each other. A pleasure to watch. And Jon's good too.

[@007kingifrit]

they made up everything they said and just rewrote history in real time. can they make any point without bringing up slavery? i'm not even against abortion but roe was badly reasoned, even RBG said it had to go, it was not well reasoned. and none of these 4 can admit that.

[@maryanneholstrom4104]

Read Uncle Toms Cabin !!! It will blow your mind

[@bsadewitz]

No one ever talks about the way we got here, which is the Democrats largely embracing Republican austerity politics after 1980. They were better than Republicans on economic inequality, but that's not saying much. This isn't that complicated. Our political elites failed, thereby providing fertile soil for populism. The Democratic party suppressed left-populism because it emphasizes economic inequality and class, and they weren't enthusiastic to tackle that because their donors didn't like it. Right-populism was the only remaining alternative to Hillary Clinton, who sneered at the "deplorables". Steve Bannon studied European right-wing populist movements and deployed the strategy here with Trump's campaign.

[@007kingifrit]

@@bsadewitz black fatherlessness rates and poverty rates have been skyrocketing since the 60s, not the 80s. left wing policies created poverty. or we would see them get poorer in the 80s like you claim but what does that have to do with the abortion argument?

[@bsadewitz]

@@007kingifrit There is a lot yo consider here. It simply is not possible to speak to something so complex in a few sentences. Johnson's "Great Society" was a centrist program, and was much more concerned with economic growth than economic inequality. Black Politicians gained control of major municipal governments in the 1980s. Philadelphia and Chicago had their first black mayors. In the late 80s, a coalition of various groups managed to convince Reagan not to abandon affirmative action. Similarly, it was only because of some moderate Republicans that Reagan and his justice dept abandoned their opposition to renewal of the voting rights act. It wasn't because of Reagan's policies; it was in spite of them.

[@brennonbrunet6330]

These brilliant, wonderful women need to be on every single news program, every single night, explaining the undiluted B.S. behind the roe v. wade decision to the american people until this tragedy is remedied. God bless you ladies.

[@chuckdangler8620]

I agree, certainly, with your endorsement of these brilliant women. However, I would like to visit your statement "until this tragedy is remedied". Remember that only the Democrats, (sadly the Corporate Democrats) are the hope of remedy. Sorry, but I have very little confidence in the so - called "moderate" Dems. They have proven over and over again that their courage is in the shitter. If they had any balls they would have headed off this bullshit right at the beginning when the GOP slapped them in the side of the head saying, "Believe us when we tell you that we are monsters!" GOP couldn't have been more clear that this was their agenda decades ago. I hate to say it, but until we vote out these Democrat dinosaurs, we will soon again be living in a 1950's 'pearl necklessed house wife fetching her hubby's slippers' era, not to mention laws against gay marriage, etc, etc, etc. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but there you go.☹😢😠

[@wordforever117]

Simping hard, bro. but these women want to have the right to kill their own children. They are probably not wife or mother material, right?

[@parkertufts5251]

The tragedy has been remedied. Countless lives saved.

[@kelkil79]

I'd comment but right-wing comments are auto deleted on KZbin so why bother?

[@parkertufts5251]

@@kelkil79 If you're trying to discourage me, it won't work. If they're going to delete comments, I'll make them delete the comments. Their censorship is shameful, and I think many of the comments and likes are fake too, on this channel at least.

[@Ianpact]

Thank you, Leah Litman, Kate Shaw, Melissa Murry, Jon and crew.

[@paulliniger418]

"The dogma caught the car" - Melissa Murray That is Carlin level wordplay and I love it!

[@susanbloodgood3572]

Carlin - the Supreme Court Jesture

[@rogercampbell7248]

Bumper sticker says my karma ran over your dogma.

[@jschuler53]

@@rogercampbell7248 We need slogans to match their awful mudering babies thing without sounding like idiots.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

@@susanbloodgood3572 "jesture?" How did you even convince your spell-check that was a real word?

[@drewcoowoohoo]

Isn't it usually "my kharma ran over your dogma?"

[@emmanuelporte4201]

Listening to these ladies spill legal tea is fantastic. You can feel the rage but it comes off as still super informative

[@nancyanderson5413]

Clearly you missed the ramifications this overturned will have in men that they explained there. I as women in “rage”, like you say, is taking this in a very cold way, because I see finally the window to take also the bodily autonomy of guys. Finally after decades of seeing women rights decay due our patriarchal society, my rage as become a very calculated cruel state were I am ready to make my gender counterpart suffer the same denigration women have felt for centuries. I will be the first to forbid men to have autonomy in their bodies. It seems like is time to make their freaking male laws work against them. Protesting or fight for my female rights haven’t worked at all, and I been called from feminazi to the usual “she is an hysterical woman” because of that without seeing any change, to the extent that I think the only way to really make any changes is to f…k the male rights instead. If they now will force people to even make forced organ donations to save lives, and that include ungrateful men that do not remember that they came to the world trough a vagina, then let us take any body autonomy from everybody. If the poop is always falls in the side of females and we cannot stop this, then I want to share the poop with the males.

[@tompaulcampbell]

Albeit illogical information, at least it appeases a viewpoint.

[@cariwaldick4898]

@@tompaulcampbell What about bodily autonomy do you find "illogical?"

[@tompaulcampbell]

@@cariwaldick4898 Bodily autonomy is fine but when the woman decides to play Nazi to the baby's Jew and consider him ripe for extermination, that's NOT autonomy!!!

[@cariwaldick4898]

@@tompaulcampbell It absolutely IS! No one is allowed to use another person's body without their consent--even to keep themselves alive. Women have a right to their own bodies. Even a corpse can't have their organs harvested without prior consent--or permission from their power of attorney.

[@tpc3062]

Thank you so much for platforming scholars and experts, Jon.

[@morenowg]

Intelligent, rationale and contemplative conversation like this is what seems to be missing on the Senate floor and now in the Supreme Court.

[@stangerr0267]

Nothing about this conversation was intelligent, rationale, or contemplative. It was an echo chamber

[@morenowg]

@@stangerr0267 From your perspective you are absolutely correct.

[@Isaic02]

​@@stangerr0267 Echo chambers are dangerous when you never leave the room and when the chamber introduces zero new or accurate information. Bouncing ideas between like minded individuals is a great way to refine your thoughts. These people brought up new information of which the others weren't aware multiple times and at least John Stewart certainly doesn't spend all his time in an echo chamber.

[@devinmyers9859]

Did you hear what they said “Republicans got shit done while dems watch it happening. They didn’t use “Intelligent, rationale and contemplative conversation” lol this is why dems are lost. We haven’t gotten behind like the republicans and now trump will win and I hope he takes us back 200 years. It will be great for all us White males.

[@tomwirt319]

Agree the. 4 decide Tim e frame. Rhe thing th we right si we a nt count I n u s rhat white voters become the minority uñ about 2040

[@nerdpimp7236]

this shouldn't have to be said but, thank you for having this conversation with female attorneys.

[@DeeDubious]

This is what happens when Congress doesn't draft & pass any laws that establish protection of these rights we lose. We rely too much on judicial interpretation of the law, believing court precedent is somehow permanent & unchangeable but the whole history of the Supreme Court paints a different picture.

[@freeloader69]

I would recommend that we base policies on science and facts. To begin with, there was no “constitutional right” to an abortion prior to Roe - the Roe court actually created a “right” that did not previously exist. So there’s that. There’s also the scientific “fact” (to the extent that anything can be known with absolute certainty in scientific terms) that life begins at conception, so the termination of a pregnancy = the termination of a human life. This is regardless of your feelings on the matter - there’s a mountain of evidence to back this claim up. Claiming that life begins at any other point is the equivalent of arguing that the Earth is flat, or that some magical sky daddy exists and knows how many hairs there are on your head. You have no evidence for any of those claims. The only claim with regards to the question of when a human life begins that has any evidence or support in the relevant scientific community is that it begins at conception. Deal with it. So banning abortion is not “forced labor/birth”. It’s the legitimate prohibition by a government of the arbitrary termination of a human life. Banning abortion “makes women slaves” just as much as banning any other form of homicide does. You aren’t free to do a lot of things in our “free” society. That doesn’t make you a “slave”. Get a brain, morans.

[@killzone866]

cant get anything through without 60 votes, too fractured to ever get that done.

[@eldowns379]

Agreed!

[@DeeDubious]

@@freeloader69 What in the copy & paste reply bunch of nonsense is that? Lmao

[@freeloader69]

@@DeeDubious Sorry if science and facts freak you out, bruh. Try reading more than one sentence at a time on more of a regular basis.

[@corinnapetry65]

Great discussion. Thanks, Jon, for having among the smartest legal minds here to work this out for us.

[@CypressBayFarm]

WOW...Thank you Jon Stewart for coming back to the world that needs your clarity, humanity, the power of your voice and bringing other voices to the table on the issues in the NOW.

[@StephenBlackWolf]

Jon, this is hands down the very best discussion of the SCROTUS (not a typo!) decision on Roe. Thank you for continuing to do what you do. This country needs you, and this country needs these three women you had here for this discussion.

[@peterverdon645]

This was an excellent discussion. Going to share this with many people. Thank you Jon!! Keep it up!!

[@kfleming78]

it doesn't add to anything - it's 3 affirmative action lawyers all in agreement that they have the right to be baby murdering hoes. This video changes NO MINDS AT ALL lmao - it just gives leftists a false sense of logic that they would get obliterated using in the real world

[@Ahoj4U]

Jon's pro-abort, tee hee hee.

[@peterjohnstoltzman]

Dude, people still use the Bible to justify so many things… and we expect them to respect nuanced boundaries about modern legal precedents? Jon is right that the whole thing is a cynical ideological exercise in social control and power.

[@thegratefulsteve]

No war but class war

[@purplepheasant4776]

Melissa discussing the historical background of the constitution is incredibly relevant. Saying that life begins at conception is not religious but factual and scientific. Death doesn't create life. Living organisms create other living organisms. Sperm is alive when it fertilizes the egg. It grows because it's alive. We don't defibrillate fetuses to start the pregnancy. If fetuses were dead then there would be no need for an abortion would there? Dead things don't change and grow. Research on abortion as "a woman's right to choose" was created by the elite because it is essentially the only "right" women have. And it's not women's rights. It doesn't correct equal pay, safety, or human rights. No one is concerned with fair wage or preventing rape/murder of women It's identified as population control in empirical and scholarly documents. Republicans are concerned about the future of the white population and its longevity. The states that ban abortion are majority white pop. White women feel betrayed by white men as this was the only "right" accessible to white women who have been supporting white men. Human, affirmative action, child rights, LGBTQ, women's rights, institutional racism, etc. are vastly different and should not be clumped together. Yet, they have their basis in institutional racism. Ppl keep saying get rid of racism first because it benefits everyone, but the other groups are not listening. They don't care about racism only things directly relevant to them. Everybody's woke after being pinched and then back to sleep.

[@myronschabe]

Yes, as I have come to see, this is a class war really, to put it bluntly the smart vs. the stupid, the mature vs. the immature, the evolved vs. the unevolved -- blue/red...I don't mean to sound calous and demean folks but at the heart of red is insecurity...I wish there were some behavioural scientists out there who could help with this dynamic. Of course, there is something else as well in this anti-abortion move which is truly sinister that has to do with hating women and being so complicated about sexuality,

[@TheLegendOfRandy]

What's worse, is that ignorant people use the Bible, which they've never read and know _nothing_ about, in order to deprive individuals of their individual bodily autonomy. It's absolutely insane. I've never read the book, but you can't get an abortion because that's what the book I've never read maybe says?

[@moxita91]

Yeah, if I can't exercise what I deem as perverted ( and very freaking sexy ) out in the open, you can't either.

[@TheNo1pencil]

There is something about watching Jon soak up the new info he was being told at 7:16 and his realization and mind being blown that resonates with me. That point specifically was such a phenomenal one.

[@bigjimmcbob9358]

I'm pro-choice, but I think comparing a woman who became pregnant due to consensual sex with a woman who became pregnant as a result of rape while enslaved is absolutely idiotic.

[@Muhahahahaz]

@@bigjimmcbob9358 it might not be an effective argument, but it shouldn’t matter how the pregnancy happened. There is literally nothing shameful about any abortion before 23 weeks, for any reason. We need to stop pretending like there is If men don’t want the pregnancy to happen, then don’t fucking cum in any vaginas. Women have every right to control their bodies and abort unwanted pregnancies. Stop blaming women just because of where the zygote happens to be located. Men need to start taking responsibility for their sperm, if they care about the result so much

[@nancyray5506]

​@@bigjimmcbob9358 Comparing is literally finding similarities. Since neither women in slavery nor women today (in some states) have bodily autonomy, the comparison is accurate. It only becomes an issue if you believe that forced sex must have happened for a woman to deserve bodily autonomy.

[@bigjimmcbob9358]

@@nancyray5506 I can't punch my boss, and slaves couldn't punch their boss, therefore I am comparable to a slave. After all, to say two things are comparable only requires a passing, general, conceptual similarity.

[@nancyray5506]

@@bigjimmcbob9358 Congrats, you now know how to compare things. Perhaps you could now contrast them. For being a pro-choice fella, do you believe that only rape victims deserve to have an abortion?

[@stefers8451]

Thank you Jon! In a world that feels like we're in the upside down, I really appreciate your input and the experts you bring on to go over these issues.

[@anneolsen4181]

Very much

[@nwamacman]

The last part about “what can we do to help?” … I live in Arkansas and I’m from Oklahoma. It will be EXTREMELY EASY to flip these states. We need an organization that helps sign up voters and get them to the polls. The dollars spent:change in outcome ratio will be FAR cheaper than any other intervention. Just go up the list by state of the lowest voter turnout. Follow the Stacey Abrams playbook on that list. Jon, we need your voice and others. This is the long term solution

[@Rc3651]

Well hold onto your butts because the Supreme Court said that they're going to listen to a case where they could give state legislators control over federal elections. If that happens then I can't even imagine what damage they could cause

[@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067]

The Stacey Abrams playbook? So lose by 55,000 votes and claim you still won?

[@shaunmcisaac782]

Signing up people to vote will be made illegal

[@stephensass3080]

I just LOL when you said you would flip Oklahoma. You are out of your mind.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Hey if Stacey can do it, it's possible. What are some places people can reach out to help flip

[@joedavis1404]

I love it when smart people talk to one another. I could listen to them all day.

[@KathrynDavison]

Why doesn't anybody talk about how HARD it is to be informed and understand policy making, policy opportunities, and how to act to fend off the stealing of our rights. I have a ph.d. and a basic interest in ideas and moments of leverage, and honestly i don't know what to do. We can all be outraged but i don't know what to do. THANK you for having these terrific women articulate these elements so have a tiny chance to understand. It takes real work to find the meaty conversations - 99% of Americans listen to news and politicians' speeches and cannot name even one think tank or PAC -- where policy gets forged. So...thank you Jon Stewart for throwing us a bone!

[@kellietaylor9913]

I completely agree and my daughter and I went to a pro choice rally in our city..there was no media about it ..I went no one was there somehow I got the wrong date on the internet so my daughter went she said it wasn't big and we haven't heard from them since..like wow I live in Rochester NY I thought it would be more organized and huge many more people than it seems to be

[@shoeless7604]

A truly illuminating discussion. While the current situation seems dire, I'm grateful to have these brilliant and passionate people on our side to fight for what is just and good. I appreciate you and please remember that your work matters!🙏

[@tomjackson4374]

One of the reasons that the Republicans are winning is because the Democrats have not done a Goddamn thing. There is zero resistance to this uber right wing agenda and it doesn't matter which side these people are on because the people in power have chosen to be powerless.

[@tonywilson4713]

Good comment. The point Leah Litman brings up at 36 minutes about minority rule is possibly the biggest issue. Followed by the destruction of the separation of church and state. Because in that combination there are states that are just 1 step from "The Handmaids Tale". After that the rest of the world need to start asking: If a Theocratic Iran is considered a state that cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons then is a Theocratic America a state that cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons?

[@Taurencowpew]

@@tonywilson4713 Don't worry, the rest of the world is morbidly watching; very much aware that they may have to try taking on the deadliest military in the World. We're prepared - perhaps more than you may realize - to take on fascism in any form. The U.S. is clearly a failing Empire at the moment, even to the point of visibly crumbling as we watch. You can't seriously think other countries are prepared to go down with you - First World Countries are better educated than that!

[@tonywilson4713]

@@Taurencowpew I'm Australian not American. I just went to college there. Define what "deadliest military in the world means" because if your talking about the US military last I heard a bunch of "illiterate hillbillies" just kicked their asses and before that it was a bunch of "sand monkeys" and before that a bunch of "rice munchers" and before that another bunch of "cabbage munchers". In major conflicts since WW2 the "deadliest military is 0-3-1 cos they consider that one with the "cabbage munchers" a draw. Yeah sure they invaded Grenada and kicked Iraq out of Kuwait but they were like pre-season football games and can't be called major.

[@Taurencowpew]

@@tonywilson4713 Not going to bother, other than pointing out military expenditure far beyond any other nation. Russia has proved themselves far less capable militarily than previously imagined - so what? That hasn't stopped their fascist tendencies - or bloodshed. It honestly doesn't look like Americans are heading in any peaceful direction right now. These are countries that have loaded themselves up with nuclear weapons... and we're supposed to sit back and watch as they drag the planet back into the medieval times - or worse - when we won't have a better chance at Fermi's "Great Filter"? I'm an Aussie myself (as if the name Jono didn't give it away). Doesn't mean I don't feel like Hari Seldon watching another dark age of humanity approach. I'm trying hard, but I'm very near to being overwhelmed with despair.

[@rini6]

I’m 56 years old. When I was a kid things seemed to be going in a good direction. We seemed to be getting more rational, humane and civilized. Since the eighties things have been devolving. Now it has reached a fever pitch. And many people will suffer. It’s scary.

[@findsharon]

I've been thinking the same exact thing.

[@ladybluelotus]

Tell me about it. I remember the intelligent design debates as a counter to evolution just getting started in the media when I was in elementary by the time I was in junior high it was in the schools. It's scary how quickly things can devolve.

[@bridgetboyle687]

Ditto except 55. My kids are growing up in a worst place then I did.

[@slc5033]

Until we all learn to fight dirty like Republicans. The men in control of these decisions seem to need to control what they fear

[@EclecticFruit]

I'll be honest... You were a kid. You didn't know about the things moving in the "bad direction" ... because you were a kid. The war of ideology is constant and pervasive, and no period of time is divorced from it. Democracy dies in darkness ... therefore everyone has to shine a light where they can. There were problems back then, and there are problems today. That's no different.

[@austynross]

After watching this I immediately got a notification on my phone from NPR about the case Moore v. Harper, which the court will hear late this or early next year about whether or not state legislators must yield to court rulings in regard to how they run Congressional elections. And I feel absolutely hopeless.

[@parkertufts5251]

Yeah, that might really cut down on the two week long ballot harvesting. There might even be hateful racist voter ID laws. Lol this is exactly what I was hoping for in 2016. Still winning.

[@bootstraphan6204]

We have a fake democracy just like Russia does...💩

[@greatcesari]

These "judges" need to be donkeydonkeyinated. It's literally the only way. They are objectively destroying America. Right now, there are only 3 types of people. Those who are aware, those who aren't, and those who support the destruction of this country.

[@xiricada7121]

They won’t win, Austyn. Our ideas are better and more popular. If we keep fighting, they won’t win. And we will make sure that they craw back to the holes that they came from. Keep it on! 💪

[@myronschabe]

@@xiricada7121 Yes, thank you for this...we have Truth on our side, and so long as we stay united and focused we will win, some ugliness may be in the middle of that, that is how a purification process works...just keep visualizing the outcomes we want, and keep on it, as you say.

[@chayoto]

Can you imagine what we would accomplish if there were millions upon millions of people who are as knowledgeable and passionate as these three law professors are? How? Just how can we get there?

[@xaniiu]

People are comfortable. Right now most you find don’t see a value in learning these things. Something catastrophic is going to have to happen.

[@jakejordan9466]

We would be going backwards. Why would you want folks like this running the country. Show me a single line of morality that they discuss. None of them brought up any.

[@devinmyers9859]

Why do you need their brains to accomplish anything, isn’t watching rights take a mudslide enough. WTF This is why trump will win and I hope he takes us back 200 years. This country deserves it.

[@Lleanlleawrg]

@@xaniiu Right now there's a shift where young men in America are becoming right wingers, in a way that hasn't really been the case before. This has been chalked up to influence via online media like tiktok, snapchat, youtube etc - with influencers like rogan, tate, shapiro, peterson and so on. I think this pattern must be broken, by flooding these channels with content like this, distilled into very short clips, because sadly people's attention spans are fried. The right is doing hardcore propagandizing, and I think the left has to try to outdo them at that game, sadly.

[@chidori137]

Proper education.

[@romanbarna1316]

"It was desire in search of a rationale." Jon Stewart always has a way with words.

[@italiannn16]

😂😂😂😂 You people remind me of when I was a dumb 14 yr old who smoked a lot of weed and thought everything said was SOOO profound.😂😂😂😂😂 This crazy old lib just plays with words to excite stupid people. You seem excited.😂

[@parkertufts5251]

That is what the original Roe decision was, desire in search of a rationale. Even RBG said it was built on sand. This court is ruling based on what the law says. Y'all are just sore losers. Ha!

[@DemonDog444]

Of course he does, he's a comedian

[@herrbratbecker8208]

Question is: isn't that likewise true for the opposite pov? Giving that I just started to watch this video, I doubt if these four experts will tell me how to read the constitution in any case that might come up in future, just in this particular case they desire to be a ill-decided (nevertheless I will watch it 'till the end and eventually amend my speculation) ... At 12:46 I ask myself if "the Scotus" and "the States" are really on the same level of power to decide about the rules of living together (I should add that I'm neither born in the USA nor living there; I just went there for a four weeks holiday once. But I think the topic is of global interest and I really want to understand the american way of coping with it). Isn't a "State" just another name for "the people who are affected by that rule"? Isn't it unfair to expect from nine people that they should find the correct answer a society cannot agree upon? Or is it the other way round, that you ony need the Scotus for exact that reason? At 31:30 I ask myself btw if the difference between the "organized" right wing and the "confused" left wing is that lefters usually emphasize the individual over the group - resulting in their reputation over the common goal - while righties usually appreciate the group more than the loner ... 40:00 I'm not surr if relying on dedicated people is the right strategy, for it puts the success forever on demographics. You cannot fight a bad idea by fighting the people who have it, you got to show how bad it is - and why. I mean, it's the same over here in Germany: you wait for the right time when people are "in your mood" to state a majority and are baffled that next day the poll is the other way round. You really got to do the nitty gritty rationality work on things you want to settle at least for a decent time span ...

[@jdfree49]

Literally a perfect description of the left-wing approach to every issue.

[@idontknowaboutthat1904]

This discussion was so good. The Strict Scrutiny crew explained the decisions and their complexities, good and bad, so clearly to us the normies; I think we've found the next three supreme court justices for an expanded court. And Jon's comment; "the senate is affirmative action for rural, white Christians" also nailed it.

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

My red state is a classic example of this. Our governor decided to give everyone a "break" against the insane rising house prices over the past 4 1/2 years by lowering property taxes for all properties valued at $300,000 or less. There isn't a single home in any of the cities in my county that costs $300,000 or less unless it is a mobile home. In my county, the most recent median home sold price is $602,000. Clearly, this was a "break" for the rural areas only. Screw the cities, right? It's not the cities that are contributing to the billion dollar budget surplus for the state, right? Funny how the rural areas couldn't figure out how to contribute to the budget surplus until tens of thousands of new people moved to the state in such a short amount of time. To prove how "Christian" the state is, in 2018 it finally outlawed child brides under the age of 16. 16 and 17-year-olds are still screwed but at least it's progress, I guess. The state is Idaho, btw. Please stop moving here. Not because you're not welcome but because you're contributing to the housing shortage and by you moving here you displace another family who is already here who is trying to afford that $500,000 two bedroom starter home.

[@idontknowaboutthat1904]

@@-._.-KRiS-._.- Amazing unprincipled hypocrisy on their part.

[@kentowles5732]

These women are really smart. I would love to have them as my representative in our government.

[@TheAbandonedAccount7]

lmaooo whaat

[@mybachhertzbaud3074]

Why would you want them to have to join the den of vipers. Be nice.😄😄lol

[@jimbob3030]

@@mybachhertzbaud3074 Smart people need to replace the gaggle of goofballs we have now as leaders.

[@maryhalverson5713]

​@@jimbob3030 - Cornel West/Richard Wolff 2024

[@jimbob3030]

@@maryhalverson5713 Cornell West believes in a fairy tale, as far as people of faith go he is smart but he's not as smart as a man with critical thinking skills. I'd much rather vote for a progressive leader with leadership experience and good policy ideas like Katie Porter than an economist with no leadership experience.

[@djinnisequoia]

I am certain that this is the most erudite panel discussion on any topic I have ever seen. Good lord, I am absolutely starved for useful discourse. Thank you profoundly.

[@mallninja9805]

We do not have a 2-party system in America, we have one party with a clear consistent vision for an authoritarian theocracy & an "end justifies the means" approach; and we have "everyone else". The "everyone else" legislators tend to sit on the sidelines throwing their hands in the air & say "Why won't someone _do_ something" without copping to the fact that they _are_ the someone that needs to do something. The everyone else party had better come together on some clear objectives and a coherent strategy of their own if they want to avert the rise of the dictatorship that we are witnessing.

[@theBear89451]

No, both parties are obsesses with winning, disregarding principles.

[@thegratefulsteve]

The Capitalist party. Government servers the capitalist class, not the working class.

[@nsmith4155]

Exactly

[@oneofus6924]

indeed, I get frustrated and borderline irate when I hear anyone refer to our current system as a "2 party system". You and TheGratefulSteve said the truth of it.

[@TechnoSpice]

Thank you for spelling out what the Right is after. I continually here the "liberal media" downplay the fact that the right is pressing a Christian religious ideology through legislative and judicial battles. A theocratic minority is trying to take over the United States government at all levels and branches and we don't have the voter participation to stop it.

[@parkmannate4154]

To quote the keynote speaker at the last CPAC: "Legitimacy is for Losers". What people need to understand is they don't care about Law, only Power.

[@susanrosegale6646]

Love these women - grateful for them.

[@nicktisone5509]

Can we just have this panel be the Supreme Court?! So happy to hear unbiased conversation about real topics! We need Jon!🇺🇲 #thereturnofJON

[@SJmystic]

Thank you, Jon, for having a podcast with this focus and for including such an interesting and knowledgeable/informed group of women who can provide the larger context/history from which to consider what has occurred and what it means. I was blown away to learn of the insidiousness in what has culminated in the decision and what that portends for the future. I do, however, remain optimistic that current events are "simply" serving to make visible such underhanded actions, because I am comforted that there are those like you and this group of women out there who are taking action to inform the rest of us so that our eyes are wide open to what is truly occurring and can be a call to action to take the necessary steps to make change. But learning this info is still, just, wow . . .

[@michaeleaster1815]

This is an outstanding convo. My heart-rate is at 130 bpm from sheer anger at the situation, but sincerely: thank you for this.

[@sedomartin733]

Lol you’re upset that babies will live. That’s a new low. But not surprised.

[@Zenhumanist]

@@sedomartin733 Most will live in misery tho.

[@jacquelinejohnson7699]

@@sedomartin733 Pity your mommy wasn’t pro choice. Look what she did to the country.

[@MockeryManor]

@@Zenhumanist And will most likely grow up with ptsd, abandonment issues, that will turn them into sociopaths…..which eventually leads to the murder of their respective peer group.

[@TheLegendOfRandy]

@@sedomartin733 Will you be adopting any of these unwanted fetuses that you're advocating women be forced to give birth to against their will? I expect silence.

[@patrikmarinkovic1704]

As a European, I think sadly the American justice system is too politicized and it is one of the reasons this happened. Judges (nor sheriffs, etc) should not be elected or appointed at any level. They should be professionals who have studied law and who will have to prove that they will apply the law in a neutral way.

[@eponymousIme]

>>Judges (nor sheriffs, etc) should not be elected or appointed at any level. They should be professionals who have studied law and who will have to prove that they will apply the law in a neutral way.

[@patrikmarinkovic1704]

@@eponymousIme Well in my country they first have to work many years on a judiciary profession and then they pass an exam, before passing in front of their peers to be selected. No political power intervenes.

[@eponymousIme]

​@@patrikmarinkovic1704 So, the lawyers in your country select who gets to be on the highest court (i.e., a Supreme Court Justice)? And there's no influence or politicking at all involved in that? We have a peer rating system (by the America Bar Association) for judicial candidates at all levels. But, as we have seen in the past 15 years, when it comes to the Supreme Court, the Senate and President can ignore the ratings and recommendations and introduce someone less qualified.

[@parkertufts5251]

They would all be originalists then. They're the only ones interpreting the law as it was written. (Neutrally) The political decision was Roe in the first place.

[@patrikmarinkovic1704]

@@parkertufts5251 Not really in my case, as law in my country is applied based on new laws which are constantly coming out based on new realities. And that is what our jurists base themselves on. I believe the issue in the US is that no one dared to make Roe into an actual federal law.

[@CG-bv4of]

such a great podcast with calm, thoughtful insight on what is such a emotive and triggering topic

[@messybench]

I'm loving these brilliant thoughts and analysis Sharing the mic 🎤 👏 well done.

[@allyson87]

Only a few minutes into the video, but I really appreciate hearing the Strict Scrutiny women say how they felt last Friday. That was basically my reaction too. I wasn’t even a little surprised, and I was angry with people expressing shock who previously called us hysterical for the last however many years. I didn’t think I was the only one feeling that way but hadn’t heard anyone else say it. Cassandra syndrome is so frustrating

[@GuerillaBunny]

Jon asking them "Were you shocked?" right after Melissa told him: "We tried to warn you." was frustrating to me, as a guy...

[@jschuler53]

Allyson yeah we're back there again, being gaslighted. It happened to be the other day, after the decision while I was talking about it. I was called a "crazy lady."

[@metalmonkee2896]

What about the millions of women who are celebrating this?

[@GuerillaBunny]

@@metalmonkee2896 No one should be celebrating the prospect of children being born to women who don't want, or can't afford them. So I'm not putting a lot of stock on those people's feelings. And when you get down to it, they just want to control other people's lives. They don't have to have abortions if they don't want to. What would they even lose if abortion was legalized?

[@metalmonkee2896]

@@GuerillaBunny we as a society lose millions of innocent lives. Am I just supposed to be cool with that? Especially when a VAST majority of abortions are because people apparently can't be held accountable for their poor choices. We don't let people kill others because they inconvenience them outside the womb, why should we turn a blind eye to people killing people because of inconvenience inside the womb?

[@kirstenstewart5758]

This was a great and illuminating discussion, fantastic to hear from informed and intelligent women at the forefront of this issue and this fight.

[@erica.7231]

This fight? rvw was based on privacy and not women's rights specifically. Why didn't these oh-so-great people try to create a better safeguard or even people like them? Because they are more about the press than women's rights. rvw was always weak and easily attackable. To think that there would be enough judges to protect such a weak ruling always and forever is arrogant

[@chezmoi42]

@@erica.7231 How's _your_ 'right to privacy' about now?

[@erica.7231]

​@@chezmoi42 So you disagree with what rvw was argued on or?

[@chezmoi42]

@@erica.7231 I"m no constitutional lawyer, but privacy seems like a very fundamental right to me. When you look at the other rights that are based on that same suddenly-fragile foundation, how do you feel? (You know, the ones Clarence Thomas told us are next in line on the chopping block.) Even if you don't mind having the government tell you what you can and can't do in your bedroom, or with whom, what about all the privacy issues that are arising with the electronics that are infiltrating into our lives? On what basis will you now argue for protection of your personal data?

[@erica.7231]

@@chezmoi42 I don't disagree with you on privacy but it is more than that. I'm sure we both know it isn't a law but used as a reference on how to make a ruling based on that ruling. And that is part of the problem. So I looked up the reasons why it's quite a weak ruling which you can find on google I'm sure. 1. abortion was not mentioned in the constitution. 2. the u.s. had no cultural history of abortion. 3. abortion is fundementally different then contraception, marriage and sex life because it destroys fetal life. 4. It silences the woman of individual states by it being enforced federally. I get you may want to mix modern-day ideas into the mix but none of these arguments are wrong. It was always something to be knocked down. if you needed a majority of like-minded judges to preserve it, it would have went down another day anyway.

[@zane4218]

A very important and insightful discussion, thank you John/Leah/Melissa/Kate everyone who put this together!

[@messybench]

"The Dogma Caught the Car", "Stretch and Pack a Lunch" "A Lot of Whales to Spear" so many good book titles.

[@kgs2280]

This is amazing! What an eye-opener. Thank you, Jon, and thank you, Ladies. What an excellent and intelligent and well-reasoned discussion.

[@Ahoj4U]

You called them "ladies"?? Man you're brave!

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

@@Ahoj4U So what pejorative description would you call them, since you clearly want them to be belittled?

[@pyoungcannon]

Thank you Jon for having a panel of women, and especially these women, to discuss this. All 4 of you nailed it.

[@richardkoen6848]

Ho's be mad.

[@ThinkAltruistic]

not balanced

[@gabrielrousseau_NM]

@@ThinkAltruistic The problem here with these four is they are ok with everyone having a chosen imaginary point of development where people can be killed without sanction. That's why we can't let them also take the guns by the way. Propaganda repeaters think the abortions would stay safely away on the children in the wombs. Au Contraire!

[@Highland804]

TERM LIMITS. For both politicians and judges.

[@kellietaylor9913]

Exactly then we wouldn't have these problems..I really hope Thomas doesn't last another 40 years that would really suck

[@kavflyladyvillery858]

We already have those. We just NEED to exercise them. Also moving forward, EVERY right that matters to us as Americans NEEDS to be codified (made into law).

[@shweenz]

When one side is raised to never think for themselves and the other is raised to hear others out, we find ourselves having a lot of wrong, backwards conversations. And when we try to educate the clueless, they feel threatened and regulate our voices, our choices, our bodies, our families... Did they forget what Liberty is??

[@hithere748]

Wow 😟😟😟

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

Honestly, it feels like they think Liberty is for "me" not for thee. And it makes no sense why they, all of a sudden, care about the philosophical aspects of potentiality when there are hungry grade school children across the country full of potential that they want to take free school lunches away from.

[@kagreen2k]

Slavery is freedom. Freedom is slavery.

[@triniconvert]

Dztdi😅

[@triniconvert]

Xu Jack

[@SophiaAphrodite]

If life begins at conception, so does child support, medical care for the mother to carry that child and a father CANNOT opt out of financial responsibility. Also states are required to fully fund adoption agencies and orphanages. Also if a woman dies from giving birth when denied an abortion to save her own life. The families can sue the state for civil damages for the childs loss of her mother due to the states intervention.

[@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067]

I have no problem with any of these. This is a great compromise on the issue, actually. Kudos.

[@FruityHachi]

if women are forced to carry the baby, then men should be forced to stay with the woman they impregnated not just financially support her, but actually stay in a relationship and live with her and take care of her until she gives birth and the baby is put up for adoption

[@lroman384]

@@FruityHachi this has domestic violence written all over it.

[@lroman384]

So if women want the choice to be able to kill a baby or not, why can't a man choose to not want to be a part of that babies life physically or financially if he chose that?

[@FruityHachi]

@@lroman384 good point, didn't think of that then, instead of him living with her, he'd have to hire someone who'd be taking care of her, and preferably to mandate him hire from the most reputable company possible

[@democracy189]

" The dogma just caught the car".... OMG, that is as concise, satirical, ironic comment I've heard in...forever! This is an incredibly insightful and articulate woman. I wouldn't want to debate with her, even if it was an issue I am fiercely knowledgeable in. She thinks on her feet and could wear down the most cunning adversary in an honest forthright discourse. She's incredible.... 👍🙂

[@BON3SMcCOY]

Their own podcast is great

[@nenmaster5218]

@@BON3SMcCOY GREAT VIDEO but lets not forget, Criticiting Unhealthy Religion (including Conservatives) is literally the Bread-and-Butter of some. Atheist-KZbinrs are literally the Main-Source of Criticism-for-Conservatives (the guys behind the Abortion-Chaos and more). I mean, if you wanna fight-back aginast Unhealthy-Religion and a coming-Theorcracy, A-Channel are THE thing for you.

[@CribNotes]

They're not as smart as you think. None of them get it about the issue of abortion. They're all fighting the wrong war. Of course they're losing on this issue.

[@jjmcwill1881]

Really you find that to be an insightful argument? Good Lord man. Thats known as an anecdote. These ladies did not put forth a single compelling argument of defense for their views. You want to know why? Because the isn't any. All they can do is bitch like petulant children over not getting what they wanted. Thats what this was and nothing more and I was goping to here a goid debate.

[@francookie9353]

@@CribNotes care to elaborate?

[@stardust-rebel]

This was the master class and everyone needs to hear it. When the educated and informed discuss a topic so damaging, you get moments like this. Bravo. " There is a reason education sucks and it will never, ever be fixed. The people in power don't want that. It's against their interests. They don't want a rational, reasonable public capable of critical thinking. " - G. Carlin

[@S-R-H]

I'm currently studying for the bar exam in three weeks. The amount of crap that has changed in the last month is insane. It's infuriating to work through multiple choice questions that still consider the "undue burden" standard as THE standard. NO IT'S NOT!! The bar examiners said we didn't need to know the new stuff for the exam, but do we need to mark the old stuff as valid when it's not? When the bar examiners have to make a statement about how chaotic our laws are because of these zealots, you know there's a problem.

[@acmnin2146]

These justices are pissing on the law and need to be stopped.

[@andresbarriga5305]

You know you are not the most affected in this situation. There's people dying, Kim.

[@freedomfest2741]

@@acmnin2146 how are they pissing on the law, abortion has never been a constitutional right, Democrats have ran on codifing R v W for decades, but they never did once elected, the justices did what it was meant to do, go to the states and let the states decide, anyone that calls abortion a constitutional right has no idea what is in the constitution, no where in the constitution does it say anything about abortion.

[@ambriaashley3383]

@@freedomfest2741 we have plenty of modern laws that are not expressly written in our Constitution lol. And SCOTUS has reversed many of them

[@freedomfest2741]

@@ambriaashley3383 clearly you have no idea how laws become constitutional, Obama said once elected he would sign the bill codifing R v W into law, after the election, he said that it was not his top priority, Biden said when he was running, he will codify R v W, once elected, he didn't do it, Republicans have said, they will overturn R v W and send it back to the states, they did what they ran on, and I find it funny that the left and democrats call justice Thomas every racist name in the book because he voted to send it to the states, because as Biden said, you ain't black if you don't vote for Biden.

[@louisjones2653]

This was the best conversation I've seen this week about Roe. Please keep it up!

[@michelleshava1477]

This conversation was EVERYTHING. Sharing it with all my friends

[@theGoodlife119]

I shared! #WomenRights #TheProblemWithJonStewart

[@TheAbandonedAccount7]

I'm sure in your little brain, it was

[@kettle2293]

Excellent content. I'm sorry the topic and times are so difficult. Fabulous panel.

[@RajeevTurlapati]

I was waiting for this. Thank you Jon, the legend! And Melissa Murray has an amazing voice. I mean literally and intellectually. Kudos & thank you!

[@cutecats532]

They've been working on the "seperation of church and state" clause since they put "in god we trust" on our money. Think Roe v. Wade was a long game? Hoh boy....

[@anthonytwohill9726]

And adding "under god" to the pledge of allegiance. Maniacs.

[@thegratefulsteve]

Pledging allegiance is brainwashing

[@theBear89451]

@@anthonytwohill9726 In the '50s, the US was on an anti-separation trend, just like the woke trend today. That trend is over. Pretending it still exists is just nonsense.

[@njits789]

ALL your presidents ask God to bless America, too.

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

@@njits789 but i thought the founder were inviolable geniuses whos every word we should follow as originally intended? Isnt that the conservative paradigm? What happened to the separation of church and state?

[@512Squared]

So many good points being made in this podcast. Just one: Republican voters did not give up pressuring the GOP to deliver court appointments that would overrule Roe v. Wade, they did not give up voting because one or several administrations did not deliver their goals. It took them 30 years of persistence and fundraising for their cause to bring about that minority decision.

[@aquari_2344]

One of the things that pushed the republicans to the right was the tea party, a competitor right wing party that siphoned some votes from the repubs. Its not so much that they didnt give up voting for republicans at all, and moreso that the republicans shifted to appease the voters every time voters started to give up on repubs and vote for a more radical platform. The difference between the dems and repubs isnt only that the dems take a "holier than thou" approach to legislation but also that the repubs only try to appeal to their own base, and the dems shame their base into overlooking their attempts to appeal to the republicans'.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

That's a good point too. If nothing else the GOP and repubs have been relentless in this goal

[@xg3k]

Lol thinking that the majority are for abortions was your first mistake. Please… continue making them. It makes me smile. Spanish people will make up the majority of America in the next 20-30 years… you haven’t seen what real conservatism looks like yet.. but you will.

[@hicklebear2339]

@@jazwhoaskedforthis you say "relentless." i say pure evil.

[@julieann287]

So it is time to get to work!

[@flavoredwallpaper]

I really like the marriage between these two podcasts. Great conversations between legal scholars and a very smart layman.

[@MikesterMF]

"Dogma caught the car." Is a dope line

[@lorenzomohammed208]

what does it mean exactly?

[@austynross]

@@lorenzomohammed208 it's a play on the idea of a dog chasing a car. I does so because it feels it must and it's exciting, but if the dog were to actually catch up with the car, it wouldn't know what to do. Goal accomplished, and now the dog is perhaps far from where it needs to be. Here, the DOGma of the Conservative right, has led them on this chase of dismantling abortion rights. They've now finally achieved that goal, but may not have put much forethought into the repercussions or next steps after the act.

[@theBear89451]

@@lorenzomohammed208 Pathos

[@lorenzomohammed208]

@@austynross Oh, how brilliant. Thank you

[@soaringkite2673]

What an enthralling and intellectually fascinating discussion!

[@Mr.DJones]

Great content. Why don't we have women like this in our congress? John, can we please have these three women back in the future? Basically, only 1 % get involved. The other 99% sit on the couch, complain about everything, and do nothing. The American way is to not get involved if it doesn't affect them personally. Do you really think men really give a crap about women? Oh, and men are in charge right now.

[@hawaiian_hugo_stiglitz7583]

Trynna virtue-signal your way into some poon-tang my boy?

[@Andrew-pb6hy]

We don't act because nothing gets done. The democrats took all of our effort and just did nothing. Why support people who barely even try?

[@Mr.DJones]

@@hawaiian_hugo_stiglitz7583 Could you please but that in english. Thanks.

[@Mr.DJones]

@@Andrew-pb6hy Agree. Yet they get re-elected almost every time. And not acting because nothing gets done is the reason nothing gets done. :)

[@CG_Hali]

Not many are but the Squad is trying and I often see them encouraging people to come vote out for new progressive women and men. AOC for example has been fundraising directly for supporting women who have lost access, she's posted links and videos to show how to protect themselves against these new awful laws and she answers back to critics who think we're overreacting. We need to push their work forward and make progressive democrats more known!

[@moletrap]

"Who wants to tell him??" Oh my god I laughed my ass off through the tears.

[@bjkarana]

@2:40 - "This was a desire in search of a rationale." Such a succinct description of the whole issue. Excellent conversation!

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

And whenever someone retorts with adoption being a better solution to abortion you can point out that adoption is a solution for parenting, abortion is a solution for not being pregnant.

[@gwenfooteprints]

Thank you for mentioning "Uncle Tom's Cabin"! So many do not know it or understand it. It was written by my 4th cousin, Harriet Beecher Stowe- who was an abolitionist, and was a catalyst for the Civil War! It should be taught to understand the impact of slavery and importance of autonomy of each person's body. I read it in the 4th grade- family teaching of family authors.

[@kennethward4985]

90% of slaves were owned by Democrats, or Dixiecrats as they were known. Some of the owners were even black.

[@catandrobbyflores]

I managed to get my hands on a really old copy and it has a forward by the author and its quite fascinating to see her thoughts uncensored and unedited.

[@ईैं]

@Chad Abercrombie sad

[@WomenSense1]

@Chad Abercrombie so you're not voting for desantis? Chump is losing popularity with your fellow chumpites!

[@laylaluv655]

I loved this video, I didn’t love the fact that this conversation has to happen. But so informative each and every woman on here was so smart and gave me more information About what’s going on that I read or listen to in the last few weeks. Thank you

[@jillionairess]

"The liberals made my life miserable for 43 years," a former clerk remembered Thomas - who was 43 years old when confirmed - saying, according to The New York Times. "And I'm going to make their lives miserable for 43 years."

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

Curious if a liberal touched him in the wrong place when he was a day old? His statement doesn't make much sense, especially considering he's at the very very top of the political and socioeconomical food chain, even higher than a temporary President.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

Clarence Thomas is an Uncle Tom Frankenstein mosh posh of resentment bitterness and cynicism. Awful, awful human being who is dead inside.

[@robin2012ism]

Thank you for this sane discussion. It helped me understand my growing dread.

[@kylezo]

I feel like I should add to the conversation that the right is more fluent in occupying systems of power because they have an ideological alignment with authoritarianism. This is why they're more adept at aggression and oppression. The left has to find a way to transform its humanitarian urges into swift and decisive action.

[@spacejunky4380]

If you yell and bereate the other sides with enough good personal attacks you're bound to make people ohh and aww at your way of, "making America great again" bullshit. I hate our politics because it's just this stupid spectacle that people start cheering at when either side has a good jabe for the other one. Or when one side can find some nice, juicy, dirt to sling at them. Like fuck, shouldn't we have some decorum before we immediately get outraged and want to fight someone if you disagree with them. When did understanding the other side become less, and less, popular? Fucking learned that shit in pre-k

[@oliviaturner7388]

So true! I worked for a progressive peace organization for a few years, and in the end, I left, disillusioned. Mostly because, they could never take decisive action on anything. They had to hear everyone out, and deliberate on different opinions for hours, very anti top down, so many times, things just got left undone, because who’s going to challenge them, and whip them up into action? Deadlines were often moved months and months, just a lot of talking and debating. So I fully understand what you mean. On the other hand, Right wing people and the Christian Right, are used to following orders, are used to a very strict, unquestioned authoritarian way of doing things, so if the leader said, this is what we’re doing, no one thinks to question, they just all fall in line with one determined focus point and outcome. That’s one key reason why they’re so successful, plus, they invoke God in everything and claim that this is God’s plan. And once they say that, it’s done. No one wants to be seen as defyingGod’s plan, or violating his edicts, or seen as sinners, or rebels. So the commitment levels are very strong, because it’s underpinned in a very strong religious conviction. And many would rather die, give their lives willingly, than go against their religious convictions.

[@harriet.z]

So true

[@aurelia5614]

This discussion is brilliant. I learned so much. Jon, you asked all the right questions and your lawyer-guests are intelligent, well-informed, creative thinkers.

[@CanuckMonkey13]

What a spectacular episode this was. Four extraordinarily knowledgeable, intelligent people covering a lot of ground in a very condensed but clear way. It was so infuriating to hear all the additional details that I knew nothing about, but so valuable as well.

[@LadyQuotes]

What Jon brought up about bodily autonomy is the same thing I say. One person's right to life can not supersede another's person's right to bodily autonomy, otherwise the government will be able to require blood donations, bone marrow donations, organ donations, etc.

[@drewcoowoohoo]

Vaccinations . . .

[@scottl9660]

UNO Reverse! Lepers

[@synnegraven-sneltorp3682]

Yep

[@lockekappa500]

Then you'll get the Republican argument that the right to not get vaccinated follows this exact logic.

[@yg2522]

@@drewcoowoohoo it's a good thing it wasn't a legal mandate to get a vaccination then unlike these anti-abortion laws that are being put into place.

[@na3rial]

23:00 hits me hard. Feminists have been BEGGING for the ERA to be adopted for decades, but conservatives have refused because they said it was "redundant" and "unnecessary." Fast forward to today and the ABSENSE OF LAWS LIKE THE ERA IS USED AS AN EXCUSE TO DROP ROE V WADE I HATE IT HERE

[@willoosthuizen5864]

Listening to this, sounds like the plot of the prequel to the Handmaid's Tale.

[@a.i.8583]

Oh, shut up

[@IMatchoNation]

Conservatoids were watching like "write that down, write that down!"

[@johnbuckner2828]

Do you honestly think the government is going to round up women and forcefully impregnate them? Or is this just hyperbolic push back against the decision?

[@Omidism1]

Great discussion! Kudos to the depth of knowledge and insight of your guests! And thank you for your ability and willingness to bring forth these discussions!

[@nathanr1696]

"Not to bring everything back to slavery, but the senate is affirmative action for white rural Christians." That declaration needs to be run on.

[@kidrengo]

The sands of time are ever shifting, my pale complected brother by another mother.

[@grimsvaultstreaming3956]

to bad non of that is true

[@xbabu142x]

I don't understand what she means by work ethic we have had same sex marrige for 22 yeears and trrans peole are already in the charer and have access to care. Does the Us ahve no resources now?

[@seananthonymcdonald7498]

Didn't slave owners say that black people didn't have rights, like pro-abortions said the unborn don't have rights? Weird that.

[@nathanr1696]

@@seananthonymcdonald7498 really just weird that you equated slavery to abortion.

[@31emxof]

And it's really rich to hear one of these occupiers of the court claim that everyone is just worried about their phones and not the Constitution, yet I, a layperson, seem to know more about the historical context, historical meanings of words being employed, and even the purposeful ordering of sentence-structure in writing those documents. These are just a bunch of unqualified, myopic ideologues. Their decisions and their character are both wholly without merit.

[@edwardlulofs444]

Wow, a long dark time is ahead . . . Jon, thanks for this episode. We do need to be prepared for a long nonviolent struggle. And the right will welcome violence as an excuse to perpetuate the darkness longer.

[@deannadolan5119]

Alive and ruined is better than dead and martyred. I hope anyone considering violence recognizes that they would be fueling the GOP and the conservative agenda if they resort to those measures. Regarding the dark times, yes this is America entering its version of the Dark Ages. I'm willing to bet that we will see progressive flight in terms of affluent progressives fleeing conservative states or the country altogether as well as a very long process to the rise of the remaining progressive collective. I mentioned this on another channel, but there are many layers that must blend to spark the change in tide. One of these elements is the conditioning of women to compete against each other rather than come together for resources. We are far stronger united, but have been systematically conditioned through cultural beliefs and biases to remain divided. As individuals we will need to take accountability for the biases we have about each other and reprogram those beliefs; and as a collective we will have to choose which battles to fight when and steadily work toward those goals. So many of us are exhausted just trying to survive economically that putting the energy into the effort to change the bigger picture seems unrealistic to manage and conservatives will capitalize on that. We're really going to have to dig deep and use our resilience to overcome this. We can do it if we support each other accept that it will be a long road.

[@CHARLESNDC]

"Every masturbatory emission not looking for an egg could be considered reckless endangerment" - Elle Woods in Legally Blonde.

[@happyfarmer979]

The woke mobs often bow to celebrity musings.

[@SinkpehnaRossFire-uc4ov]

🌎: ''None of the people are speaking about the 'defective procreating swimmers' via daily alcohol&alchemy consumption. Your blood helps create all your daily need; consistently using 'poisonous drugs' does not create healthy-normal-regular 'procreating swimmers l'. There are too many men who have been consuming alcohol for too long, women more now. Ireland recently passed law about the alcoholic 'babies' being born. Since medieval times ? that's usual. They got more when the potato was finally 'drank'. They were starving, they put those potatoes in with milk and whatever else they had, they got tipsied up and some survived. They decided to grow potatoes. Before that? They said potatoesmade you fart and be sick. (...the gloriesOfTheRooskeez...) that country 🤯.

[@brdrcli1]

Once actually thought along those lines. Then a man would realize the intrusion and overreach of our bodies. 🤔😡🍻

[@Token_Nerd]

Man this was an excellent podcast and totally nails the fallacy of originalism.

[@solario8628]

If Originalism were an actual judicial philosophy, they would be overturning Marbury v Madison and taking away the power of judiciary review. That they don't just shows how it's a thin faux intellectual veneer trying to justify forcing conservative policy through the courts.

[@theBear89451]

Do you really need an explanation of why merging the three branches of government (anti-originalism) is a bad idea? The rule of law says that laws must be independently adjudicated. The job of the other branches is for modern influences. If the court just does what is popular, it becomes just another group of populous politicians.

[@Token_Nerd]

@@theBear89451 One aspect of originalism does not represent the judicial philosophy as a whole. Plenty of other judicial philosophies (textualism for instance) argue for separate branches of government, in fact, I can't think of one mainstream judicial philosophy that advocates for the merging of the branches of government since that is clearly an undemocratic proposal and is blatantly unconstitutional.

[@theBear89451]

@@Token_Nerd The most recent decision is consistent with textualism, so I am not sure how that applies. The legal philosophy the lawyers in this video are endorsing is instrumentalism. Instrumentalism is anti-originalism, not textualism. Instrumentalism is effectively branch merging because, like I said in my response, it makes judges politicians.

[@pdoylemi]

@@theBear89451 While showing that you have no idea what originalism IS, you ALMOST made a good point! The court is not there to just do what is popular. It MUST, however pay attention to modern influences and reasoning in making decisions - ESPECIALLY when overturning a long standing precedent that is ALSO accepted by most Americans. They need iron clad reason for such an action and they did not have any. For example, testing ANY women's rights issue on the basis of being deeply rooted in our history is CRAP! Women didn't have the right to VOTE until 1920. They were excluded from the "democratic" process that determined what rights they had. The fact that it is not SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the Constitution is irrelevant also, as a majority of things we would consider rights are also not mentioned. That's why we have the 9th Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

[@SlinkyTWF]

"This was a desire in search of a rationale." On the nose, Mr. Stewart. KZbin's "LegalEagle" vlogger dissected the hypocrisy and judicial gymnastics in Alito's opinion.

[@zinnmarx]

Jon, please run for President, or perhaps Senate. Your finger on the pulse of critical issues and your ability to communicate those issues will galvanize millions of Americans with their heads screwed on straight! Please.

[@terrydillon9323]

Thank you Jon and Ladies.

[@BON3SMcCOY]

Great post production on these episodes

[@d.d.7797]

Separation of church and state and no taxation without representation. When can all of the states that ratified our constitution stop giving our federal tax money to the states that want theocracy and chattel slavery?

[@sandywaters1153]

And Washington, DC which is not a state & has no representation in Congress but we pay some of the highest federal taxes in the country!

[@ccornell7337]

When the blue states secede which is probably where all of this is heading to. Hopefully the moderate middle will form it's own country because everyone else is nutso.

[@anthonyc8963]

Jon....I don't want to hear you talk about it, I want you to RUN FOR OFFICE. You are exactly the type of person that WILL win. You are the perfect person to counter all the typical Republican attacks and can throw it back in their faces and win broad support of all swing voters. JON STEWART / KATIE PORTER 2024. Can't lose.

[@drewcoowoohoo]

He'd probably get Frankened. He's been a comedian, not grooming himself for the purity we demand of politicians.

[@plain-bagel]

A year out, still an incredible discussion that anticipated a lot of the Yolo Court's subsequent decisions

[@greentokyo]

This was an amazing discussion and the knowledge of these Professors was inspiring at the same time as depressing because they pointed out just how fucked up this Supreme Court has gotten.

[@godfunk]

“This was a desire in search of a rational.” Jon’s the GOAT, now and always

[@melisaybell]

First and foremost thank all of you for this stimulating engagement. I appreciate you all. I’m disappointed that Roe v. Wade was in fact political. Every one of the justices ought to know better than this. What I was taught in regard to the role of a justice in my basic elementary education and via high school and college education is not in fact what is actually being executed. As an adult, I just knew it was a solid & irrefutable fact that The human being that seeks and attains the role of a justice, given the level of intelligence needed to be considered, knows that they the human being including their personal beliefs and views, elected to the role of justice are in fact separate from that role, that they are contracted through their election to the role to maintain the integrity of the role. Is this incorrect? If it is correct, Does the role of justice given its great importance have any protection against its human host so to speak? Should this protection be applied to all of politics as a sort of vaccine against the disease of corruption. If there is concern that human beings with more melanin will replace human beings with less melanin global warming will ensure the future of humanity is highly melaninated. Controlling procreation and individual sovereignty is not a solution to this ridiculous idea of replacement. Know that the idea that high and low melaninated human beings differ in anyway aside from the attributes needed for survival given different environments is a fanciful mirage. I imagine the minds that chases such things die of thirst. Instead of marshaling procreation a process already managed by natural law and individual sovereignty focus on reversing the damage to earth caused by poor stewardship that continues even today evidenced by the fact that certain corporations continue grow rich from planetary abuse. These same corporations may already be planning to leave earth in shambles and move on to the next. What intelligent and advanced alien species aware of humanity and its antics would allow such a thing? Just who are all these bad alien come to steal resources movies all about? Earth already ensures biological variances with its varied climates. Human beings should be focused on reconnecting to and learning from the great work of life that has brought forth an abundance of life for eons sustainably. With skills like that any where in the universe humanity touches down means abundance what intelligent alien species wouldn’t want to interact with that? Its not hard to believe how the past was used as justification. Look at any human argument these day aren’t most of us always bringing up old stuff unable to stop protecting egos that are managed properly? I can believe that separation of church and state is no longer a known, irrefutable and practiced fact. Security blankets are hard to let go of who wants to grow up when they can perpetually be a toys r us kid? Was the constitution written in a place of worship? No, then it has nothing to do with religion. Injecting it is a breech Speaking to religion I find it interesting that religious doctrines speak of being cast from the garden who’s living on the moon these days? Any other garden planets aka earths nearby? It could be argued that the garden of Eden story exempted human beings from having to care for earth, other religions speak of this illusory sort separation too exempting themselves from responsibility putting the condition of earth on some other great evil instead of the chaotic and uncontrolled unacknowledged intelligence, emotions and egos of human beings, but mostly, given their physical ability to subdue, insistence on ownership and quick tendency to violence among each other, men. Since when has anything on earth been separate? If there were a situation where separation would be deteriment it isn’t politics it would be humanity separating itself from responsibility to maintain balance within their own life system and that of the greater life system earth given our abilities and capacities. All life on earth is connected by design, an unspeakably intelligent design. a life system that contains life systems. The work is beyond great but I say it starts with videos like this an examination of what is in macro in language that is easily understood. Many people are currently subscribed to a culture they a comfortable with that has made being a human being easy. It is not. And is not meant to be I say. We as far as is generally know are the most intelligent life systems on earth with the wide range of abilities and capacities and that doesn’t seem to me to be an accident. I also say to bring about change that I image will move human beings forward and not backward will take a commitment to reasoning, a responsibility to recognize a need to balance, maintain and properly align intelligence, emotion, and ego. I don’t think that’s a test humanity can cheat on and beat so to speak. If we can pass that test here here at home we aren’t going be able to make it anywhere. Going backward is easy cause it’s a known moving forward is hard because it’s not.

[@maryhalverson5713]

Apart from works of fiction, there are no lawyers with the morals of Atticus Finch, and it's tragically naive to believe judges, or anyone else in the legal system, are more dedicated to justice than their own self interest. In fact, the system is widely despised for good reason. It attracts the worst of humanity, not the best.

[@martinanagyova1114]

Absolutely amazing intelligent exchange. It is mind blowing what has been going on in the US when it comes to the work of the SCOTUS as it now turned to a conservative majority

[@mandyinseattle]

It's bitterly ironic that Clarence Thomas espouses originalism when, in the original constitution, he was only 3/5ths of a person. He's got a lot of f****** nerve.

[@johnbuckner2828]

You’d think the 14th amendment also includes the rest of humanity where fundamental human rights are concerned. Whether or not we count Kids as persons for the purpose of taxation or representation in congress, they’re still people, no matter how young. Overturning Roe is like overturning the fugitive slave act, just the first step in recognizing inherent value, personhood and equal protection.

[@simonb4689]

@@johnbuckner2828 well said

[@davidleomorley889]

Until Democrats can manage to attack and criticize their own shit-show...nothing will change. oBOMBa and the other losers have preferred to use the threat of overturning Roe verses Wade for fundrai$ing. They deserve to be harshly criticized,...but oBOMBa is too big of a celebrity for that. He knows he has an army of butt-kissing water carriers who will come to defend him and the Democrats whenever they are called out for their political games....which is why they always suck.

[@hotshotx1598]

​@@johnbuckner2828 You gonna advocate for UBI then so that that forced life actually have value and a chance at a positive life rather than being doomed to a worse off existence? Doubt.

[@johnbuckner2828]

@@hotshotx1598 You’ll be surprised to find out then that I was a supporter of yang during the election… not everyone fits a stereotype. I do want to qualify that was saying that I think he Yang’s thousand dollars was way too much as I believe he was wrong and saying that people wouldn’t stop working.

[@hallnic]

Thank you thank you thank you. I learned so much & am reinvigorated. What a genius group of people. More of this, please.

[@dianaray3148]

truly interesting and fascinating discussion, loved every minute of it

[@graymalkin79]

Teddy Cruz literally stood up in court and very seriously declared that "there was no constitution right to stimulate one's own genitals" when defending Texas's ban on sex toys. A masturbation ban is not entirely out of the possibly given the fevered state of the conservative brain.

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

First I've heard of this, Texas is seriously considering a ban on sex toys, too? WTF is their problem? I've heard of many stories where deeply religious people have been sent to adult stores by their pastors (with restrictions on what they can and can't look at-no porn, for example, but sex toys are okay), in order to help a married couple that is struggling sexually.

[@KENAXION88]

I just need to say, what we're seeing and have been seeing scares the ever loving shit out of me. I don't have anxiety issues, but all of this gives me so much anxiety, that it's almost paralyzing. I'm 34 years old and I feel so powerless in 21st century America.

[@trowawayacc]

Dont feel powerless. If anything this victory proves that hope moves mountains.if in a twisted crazy way

[@Bookhart2]

I’m 68 and I was there in ‘73 when we cheered and cried and sighed in relief. This scares me as much as it does you. It really feels like a bumpy roll down a long rocky hill where someone will end up dead at the bottom.

[@mikearchibald744]

America needs the same democratic revolution that every country needs. America preaches democracy but is one of the few countries to have NEVER had a single national referendum. I don't know what state you are in, but in case you didnt know, there are 19 states which have referenda which are not just disgusted, but are actually having citizens voting on enshrining it into their STATE constitution. So what you see is about 15 really messed up states that have NO democratic recourse or mechanism, the same as at the federal level. If you were in one of those 19 states, you'd be seeing ALL about the power because a referendum is coming. The irony is that anti abortion protestors have felt the same sense of powerlessness, and that translates to almost ALL public policy. Don't you find it odd that something like abortion is being decided by six lawyers in a country that CALLS itself democratic all the time?

[@parkertufts5251]

I'm 32 and it feels like justice to me. Countless lives saved.

[@larsmaurer6738]

@@parkertufts5251 Now there are just dead lives of rich parents who can afford abortions in other states. Not sure if this is the solution to the problem. There would be no anti-abortion laws if rich people could no longer get abortions. The Supreme Court decision only affects poor people and all those who have tried to help them so far.

[@vastiris313]

Thank you for this discussion - so scholarly, but honest and frank.

[@shenencalhar]

Thanks for bringing Strict Scrutiny on again, Jon. Their insights and analyses are great. Ladies, I'm now subscribed to your podcast, but please consider creating your own KZbin channel, too!

[@djpower8791]

I ❤️ them SO much!!!

[@AlexW-wv4nt]

You can find them on the crooked media KZbin channel (pod save America)

[@brainzrpainz6991]

I wish I had caught this when it first came out. I had just moved to TX, so it would’ve been quite psychologically beneficial for me to hear people talking reasonably and logically about just how far back a step this ruling was for humanity and liberty. It’s just so terrifying

[@kavflyladyvillery858]

I've lived in Texas ALL my life, and I didn't need to hear this to know the disaster of overturning Roe v. Wade as well as it's disastrous implications for EVERY other precedent that exists. If you pay attention, you don't have to wait for some1 to say the quiet part out loud because 1 is ALWAYS aware that there IS a quiet part. That's, AGAIN, why our government has 3 separate & coequal branches that are ultimately in the hands & decisions of the people (an educatedpopulace).

[@stubbsmusic543]

Thank you for this. The sheer amount of knowledge, brain power and insight here is staggering. I think I gained a couple of IQ points just watching it.

[@oliviaturner7388]

Indeed!

[@ogChaaka]

Lol, no. This wasn't a valuable conversation at all. It was a pity party. You gain wisdom and perspective by listening to all sides of an argument.

[@stubbsmusic543]

@@ogChaaka Sorry, but you don’t have to meet everybody halfway on every issue. These are false equivalences and they plague the dialogue in America. Suppose someone tells you, “It’s my opinion that you should let me EAT your child.” Are you supposed to meet them halfway? Are you supposed to say, “Ok, do you want the bottom half or the top half, the right or left side?” NO!!! The answer is NO!!! Because this is totally unacceptable. It is not negotiable. It is wrong.

[@ogChaaka]

@@stubbsmusic543 lol. Speaking of false equivalency.... Good grief.

[@SharienGaming]

@@ogChaaka when the other side of the argument just punched everyone at the table in the face i do not see a reason to listen to them if you tolerate the extreme right, fascism and authoritarianism - their screaming will eventually drown and push out anyone involved in reasonable discussion