Roe v. Wade: A Legal History

As one of the most consequential decisions in the history of the Supreme Court, Roe v. Wade articulated the right to abortion as a fundamental right. Though it is not explicitly mentioned in the Constitution, the concept of a fundamental right to privacy played a key role in the arguments. Where did this landmark case originate, why was the opinion framed the way it was, and how did the Supreme Court advance from the right to privacy to the right to abortion?
In this documentary, six law professors discuss how and why Roe v. Wade made it to the Supreme Court, the legal foundations for the case, and its impact on the American legal system.
00:00 - Opening
01:22 - Title Card
01:26 - Part One: To the Court
06:31 - Part Two: The Right to Privacy
13:08 - Part Three: The Decision
20:35 - End Credits
#law #scotus #roevwade #constitution #supremecourt #abortion
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As always, the Federalist Society takes no position on particular legal or public policy issues; all expressions of opinion are those of the speaker.
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Featuring:
Prof. Helen M. Alvare, Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University
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Prof. David E. Bernstein, Antonin Scalia Law School at George Mason University
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Prof. Robert P. George, Princeton University
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Linda Greenhouse, Yale Law School
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Prof. Kimberly Mutcherson, Rutgers Law School
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Prof. Teresa Stanton Collett, University of St. Thomas School of Law
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Related Links & Differing Views:
Watch Roe v. Wade: The Power of a Law Review:
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Watch Roe v. Wade: Abortion in New York:
• Roe v. Wade: Abortion ...
Constitution Daily: “On this day, the Roe v. Wade Decision”
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C-SPAN: “Landmark Cases: Roe v. Wade”
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Harvard Law Review: “Roe v. Wade: Past, Present, and Future:
harvardlpr.com/2018/03/19/roe...
UC Davis Law Review: “The So-Called Right to Privacy”
lawreview.law.ucdavis.edu/iss...
Yale Law Journal: “The Wages of Crying Wolf: A Comment on Roe v. Wade”
digitalcommons.law.yale.edu/c...
Michigan Law Review: “Rewriting Roe v. Wade”
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Arcane Knowledge: “Legal Issues of Roe v. Wade”
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[@OhNoMrKoolaidMan]

I came into this world with a father who showed up the day I was born and proclaimed I wasn't his. Raised by my mother until she gave up and disappeared before I reached double digits in age. Everybody argues over abortion and how far along you should be but nobody addresses orphans like myself who are left to rot in the foster system and the system doesn't do a damn thing to help those who grow up with the truth you were thrown away. I turned 18 and the state washed their hands of me. Everybody seems to pretend to care about unborn children but turn a blind eye to children who are born and abandoned. How is this possible?

[@cbrindle91]

Right there with you. I don't even know my parents. Mother squeezed me out and bounced before i was dry, i swear... Father is an alcoholic, remarried, and bounced out before i was 10. Got stuck with an absent stepmom who dragged me across the country to live with another physically abusive alcoholic stepfather. Not the environment a child deserves to be brought into.

[@randomfemaleopinion3167]

I just dont see how that relates to someone's right to life. You'd rather be aborted than have a chance at having a good life? Just because you struggle, it doesn't mean you will always struggle. And even then, shouldn't the argument be "let's make better laws and resources for fixing the issues" rather than "I want the right to just kill the person that might struggle so I don't have to deal with the bigger issue".

[@averagejoe4932]

Mama's baby. Papa's maybe

[@cbrindle91]

@@randomfemaleopinion3167 yea nah, I'd rather the spirit that chose to inhabit my body was given the chance to pick another body than settle and be born into a world where all my family didn't give a shit and bounced on me. I'd rather that spirit go to a loving home with a support base to nurture and develop a healthy body and mind, and have more opportunities to be successful than i had. Rather be placed in a home where neglect, physical, and mental abuse were absent than the norm. Where meals weren't a luxury. Yea. I didn't ask to be born into a world that from the age of 5 i basically had to be self reliant. Where at age 7 i had to figure out how to bandage a severe hemmorage on my own because my parents were too busy to even notice their kid was bleeding out...

[@randomfemaleopinion3167]

@@cbrindle91 I don't believe in spirits so to me you wouldn't even exist. I'd like to no matter the circumstances. So life shits on you, it's what you do with it that matters. Im not here to use my life story for sympathy by if I gave up so young, I wouldn't have what I do now. This defeatist mentality is so non productive. You are invalidating people's struggles and their feat to overcome them. Do I wish life was easier? Yeah but I've never thought of wishing I was aborted. Stop trying to take people's opportunities in life because nothing is ever set in stone by deciding its best to kill them simply because they MIGHT have a bad life. We all might have a bad period of time in life so why do we even try to live? Why don't we all just stop trying and kill ourselves? Because that's stupid that's why. Because you dont know if its temporary or not, that's why.

[@wednesdayschild3627]

I think a good rule is do not take medical advice from politicians, lawyers.

[@kylehager4113]

But you do take law advice, such as if a legal ruling, Roe v Wade, was legitimate for the government to say

[@aaronwalker8847]

Little known fact - The docs are wise men priests of kabala/ paganism/ devil worship in disguise. The med docs are sorcerers tricking folks with their poison potions called pharmacia/ pharmecy drugs. And tricking mamas into sacrificing their babies to the false / fake so called gods hermes, baal, and, molech. The chemistry docs/wise dude priests, are alchemist in disguise. The astronomy docs are the astrologers Etc. All "fields " of science and his(lucifers)story, have their roots in kabala/ paganism/ devil/rebellion led by lucifer worship.

[@tarod3]

@@kylehager4113 challenging the ruling explicitly goes against the will of the people, so why should such a thing be respected?

[@JawnLam]

This is exactly what Roe & Casey protects-a person's right to take medical advice from their doctor.

[@fwily2580]

Abortion is medical advice?

[@jackpinesavage1628]

Looking back, my mother had two miscarriages before I was born. She was given a medicine by her doctor that allowed her to have children. What they did not know, back in the 1950s, was that drug made some children sterile. Mom had four kids. My sister never had children, neither did I. Am I thankful for the life my mother gave to me? Yes. Life, for me, is good.

[@tammybushnell6920]

What medication was it? I’m glad you were born, too! Life is great!

[@ediebarry4678]

@Jack pine Savage • Although my grandma had 5, 6 miscarriages (1930s), she was still a Firtyl Mertyl and had nine kids. I didn’t have kids by choice and never regretted it. I think what your Mom was given was a drug ‘thalidomide’ which was given often and for everything. Birth defects were a side affect. I’m thankful for my life too. 😏☺️

[@aarone8740]

Ya; your post doesn't sound made up at all. 🙄

[@lolstalgic9602]

@@aarone8740 it doesn’t? Sounds believable to me.

[@chancycat9822]

@ Jack pine Savage,Yes miscarriages were very,very common back in like the1900's 1920's,1930's,etc...before medical technology took hold,and doctors made alot of mistakes back then. Now my mom had 7 kid's 6 girls and 1 boy,but like she told me she wanted to be a mom,and to her and most men and women abortion was unthinkable! But I'm glad my mom never aborted us I love my sisters and brother,and I'm grateful for them,and my life as well. And I think that the way my mom raised me was the reason why I feel so adamantly against abortion,it just seems like for most people I meet (younger people) that is the in thing to do nowadays,and if you're a young woman and don't go along,I don't know,but it's like they won't be accepted or not considered cool by their peers,or whatever.

[@edsr164]

As a foreigner it’s so weird to know that abortion was legalized based on right to privacy, instead of public health.

[@GEOsustainable]

They had to put an acceptable sounding label on it somehow.

[@gideondavid30]

It was a bad decision that took the issue out of the people's hands. Even PRO CHOICE justices disagreed with the logic behind the court's decision.

[@BlinxESP]

Yeah right? The decline of USA is stuggering

[@thenativeson5071]

Actually, it is technically a private health issue just like mercy k!lling. The most potent argument on the Pro-life side, is that the baby is a living human and has a fundamental right to life which should not be trumped by the mother’s right to personal health choices.

[@deadeyetopher8621]

The 2 are connected! Your health is your privacy! Does it matter? The courts take your privacy rights away or take away your health rights? Both are UNAMERICAN! Unless your a radical republican with no education! The Federalist society are trying to creat a new gilded age!

[@southernequestrian]

This question is solely based off of knowledge (not including life of the mother or rape/incest). If a pregnant mother decides to have an abortion, it is a “clump of cells”; but if the mother is murdered it is a “double homicide”. Is it a “clump of cells” or “a human”.

[@hadara69]

“I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.” ~Susan B Anthony

[@sherrieflynn252]

Interesting... Considering that what the Bible says usually conflicts with our natural desires

[@hadara69]

@@sherrieflynn252 Actually no, it doesn’t. This is the “sin” and/or “worldly” argument fundies (like you?) MUST use. The Bible asks that we behave as humanity did THOUSANDS of years ago, LONG before anything like a civil right was even considered, much less codified. You’re aware children used to “work for a living”, are you not?

[@sherrieflynn252]

@@hadara69 The Word of God is eternal Mankind's heart and desires have been and still are corrupt Ps child labor is still being used in many countries

[@hadara69]

@@sherrieflynn252 So you just REASSERT your beliefs without trying to defend them, huh? Interesting that you CANNOT do that, isn’t it? It’s almost as if your superstitious beliefs cannot tolerate my simple scrutiny. Does child labor still existing in poor countries prove the Bible is correct or excuse it? How is it therefore NOT a civil right we've acheived here despite the Bible's "eternal teachings"? You just proved you can’t reason thanks to your faith. Didn’t even realize this did you? Shaking? Scared? This is the point. It’s the SAME point I make over and over whenever I engage with believers as a former believer. YOU ARE IN A CULT!! Until you can face that fear, that thing that’s making you shake right now, you will remain in said cult. I left the cult decades ago. I faced my fears. Why can’t you?

[@FortheluvofGod]

You should desire what God wants you to do. They should coincide. This quote makes no sense.

[@phychomaniac26]

I am pro choice but I can't for the life of me understand why people are okay with justices legislating from the bench. This most recent ruling is exactly what happens when the courts stretch so far the meaning of federal laws. Democrats should have spent all these decades after Roe fighting tooth and nail to codify abortion rights into the constitution. This is what we get for laziness/a complete lack of understanding of our legal system from the electorate. Now people think the supreme court is "taking away a constitutional right" rather than what it is actually doing: overturning a ruling that had little constitutional basis and historical precedent to begin with.

[@Balaadu]

Couldn't have said it better. All our elected representatives refuse to do their job and instead rely on the SC to make decisions.

[@matthewlee4896]

You are 100% right

[@aliciaalva4681]

Yes. A sentence can not be stated as a constitucional right. Strictly speaking

[@joshlanders]

I think you are right, but also, leading up to and after RvW the pro life group could have codified laws protecting motherhood, reducing risks and costs, and strengthening adoption and childcare. That didn't happen either. The real weaknesses are that these choices by the government takes lifetimes to fix. Lifetimes. The next solution to any of this concerns may come from the states in the near term, but states that haven't spend anything on birthcare, childcare, and adoption will find themselves in a whole other conversation from states that give options. Options prior to Roe were, do it illegally, stay in the relationship, kidnap or abandon your child (respectful of situations regarding abuse). Many state's trigger laws return to that situation. After 50 years of divorce laws stating childcare is an agreement, and after 50 years of near zero incentives for having children. Now that its up to the states, hands are tied until someone is on trial for murder. As i said, it will take a lifetime to continue to conversation regardless of the Federal or State governments having jurisdiction over a womb. As we just proved, the federal government causes a nationwide discussion, and the states cause a nationwide discussion. If we had 50 separate options for all 50 states, you may can argue we have options. But most of these states copy off one another.

[@GEOsustainable]

How can you be pro choice...it is murder of an innocent everytime? My legal argument is that: A woman has the right to keep her legs closed in a peaceful society and should be put in prison if she kills her unwanted child.

[@bruceneu8588]

Thank you for the closed captioning.

[@Chan.711]

This was good insight and why anyone on either side should be very wary about judges creating law from the bench. And today it's sold as women's rights issue, when in fact it was about privacy rights, and doctors wanting the responsibility removed to curtail law suits.

[@gambit1357]

keyword: **sold**

[@gritsgalraisedinthesouth]

Best comment

[@shandorkato]

I don't understand how these "conservatives" can reconcile forbidding abortion but claim moral superiority when single women ask for help to support the child. What happened to limited government???

[@pamtebelman2321]

Exactly! It's hypocrisy in my view.

[@ruthiethemagmacube5390]

Moral superiority? I haven’t heard that, (maybe cause I don’t dive deep into debates and arguments on the web) but I do know of many conservatives who put their money where their mouth is and donate to crisis pregnancy centers, etc. And there are many people like me and my family who volunteer to help single mothers- in my case, by providing free babysitting a for a mother for about a year.

[@ruthiethemagmacube5390]

As for increasing government programs- It’s far more effective for us to get out there and help mothers through volunteer hours and monetary donations to charity rather than have our funds be sucked away by increased taxes for government programs. Let’s direct our funds to helping others!! We can be much more careful, shrewd and effective with our money than the government can.

[@xs10tl1]

What actions do you interpret as "moral superiority"?

[@lastfm4477]

By 'These "conservatives"', do you mean the 5 justices that voted to strike down the Roe v. Wade decision? If so, their only authority for making judgements are *legal* arguments. What happens to a child or its circumstances fall out side the narrow questions SCOTUS is suppose to address in any specific court case. All these whiney liberals going nuts right now on cable shows, editorials, protesting, etc... need to get that thru their skulls. SCOTUS is not a political body. Save the protests and all the screaming for the U.S. and States legislatures whose job it is to pass laws (such as legalizing abortion).

[@only1god19]

It takes two people to produce a child, so why doesn't the man have a say in the choice of abortion?

[@eggman7527]

They do in Japan.

[@OneBigStoryVerse]

Because it takes only the mother to birth the child. He doesn't have to suffer health issues related to the pregnancy. Even the most easy and healthy pregnancy has every possibility to turn into a life-threatening one in a span of minutes. Besides, the man always has the option to walk away on the mother of he's not ready to parent the baby. I wonder if there's any law, anywhere in the world, that makes a man walking away on his pregnant partner, no matter married or unmarried, illegal and criminal.

[@mikemckinnis3877]

​@@OneBigStoryVerseso then child support should be optional?

[@makayla3123]

And to think that it's a problem now and that We as Americans should fight for it. I just don't understand that we are we moving backwards with time. We should be able to move forward.

[@frankl1955]

What you resist, persist. If not for Roe vs Wade there would be an estimated 80 million more dems in the US. Seriously do you really want someone who has so little concern for their unborn child to breed?

[@no_prisoners6474]

@@frankl1955 it's happening already anyway... They would've adapted. Now we have psychopaths that are psychopaths because they know they can dodge nature. Some of it is genetic but most of it is actually how we've been conditioned. Single people having contraception means married people are free to put their families at risk cause they can run around shielded by the idea that they can twist nature.

[@gustavotonnelli]

@@frankl1955 Interesting point.

[@bboylebron]

What I can not believe, is that anyone, especially women, would even imagine that killing their own babies (at any stage of development) could be considered a right,much less have anything to do with "health care " (like if pregnancy was a disease).

[@63kimmike]

Mothers will still be murdering their babies no matter forward or backwards. The only difference is the rights or lack of rights will be given back to the states where the laws have always belonged. Abortion is a personal choice and that choice will continue to be made by women until the end of time. Roe vs Wade was used under false pretenses. It was what the democrat party needed to take place in order to stay in power; the party was already murdering babies before Roe vs Wade by murdering black babies throughout the black community for decades. The government and insurance companies give out free contraptions why not practice safe sex instead of going on a murder spree every time someone lays down and gets pregnant? Murdering one’s own child has nothing to do with the public good. The Supreme Court knows that they overstepped their boundaries when it comes to Roe vs Wade. It is the States that have the rights not the federal government.

[@hadara69]

"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction." ~Blaise Pascal

[@godssara6758]

And abortion was pushed on the country by racist secularists to profit off of killing minorities and the poor and now it's a billion dollar racket

[@bubsavvyd6103]

This quote can be equitably applied to so called "non-religious" institutions or ideologies. In fact anyone who thinks they have the morale authority to force their will on others.

[@hadara69]

@@bubsavvyd6103 Except it can’t and this is easy to prove. The PROBLEM is, the faithful (talking about you, personally now) are unwilling to debate and put aside your own religious certainties long enough to get it. For instance, if we were talking about Global Warming, you’d claim (by all means, correct me if I’ve misread your subtext) that scientists are “just as religious about it!” or that those of us who trust the science behind this are. Would you not? Same with the vaccines? Same with Trump losing? Same with LGBT folks deserving equal rights? Etc... Guess what? Those are ALL based in easily debunked RW and/or Christian propaganda. There’s no way to “debunk” the opposing arguments because they’re facts: Vaccines save lives, Trump LOST, and gays deserve equal rights. So when it comes to THIS issue, abortion, it is irrational to demonize women who get abortions, claiming they’re “murdering their kids!” or whatver, and is based soley in fundie nutjob certainties. (Pssst….RELIGION) The opposing view, that they deserve a CHOICE, is not any kind of “religion”, it’s simply reason, based in facts (like that it’s just a gob0goo, not “a soul”), etc. If you want to get philosophical about life, that’s fine, but it has NOTHING to do with imposing your SUPERSTITIONS onto OUR secular society. This is not a Theocracy, YET! (Your wet dream, ain't it fundie?) Clear? I encourage you to prove to me that your claim is true, using examples that I can then DEBUNK for you. Or does the prospect of testing your hypothesis scare you, fundie? That’s how science works, btw. Hypotheses are tested and PASS! GET IT?!

[@FortheluvofGod]

The Only thing evil here is killing babies or agreeing that killing babies is ok sooo…

[@hadara69]

@@FortheluvofGod I cherish every fundie like you who says this about this quote more than you could ever know. It’s EVIL to force women (again, YOU’RE A WOMAN, RIGHT?!!) to do something they don’t want with their lives, like having an incest baby, etc. True or False?

[@hadara69]

"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful." ~Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[@sherrieflynn252]

Religion is a belief system with rules made by yourself or another man in an attempt to substitute the one and only rule giver - God

[@hounddog2952]

ALL Religions are man made to enslave your mind. RISE ABOVE THE 🐂💩 👊

[@mariacortez5931]

Democracy came because of religion. In the monastery the head of the monastery was chosen according to a democratic method. So most people talk bad about religion and specially Christianity but must of the good things we have is because of Christian values. So whoever wrote that quote was another person who knew nothing about religion but maybe was hating it.

[@hadara69]

@@mariacortez5931 Your “reasoning” betrays your own ignorance, fundie. Music came from the church too, so did many forms of Art, does that THEREFOR MEAN (according to who?) that all Music & Art must remain “pious”? How does that work? I’ve heard this exact same “argument” from many science-denying Creationists (you too?) about science. Doesn’t work and if you don’t get WHY that is, you are actually TOTALLY proving my point for me. Quite the self-own. Our democracy is currently being attacked by Christian fundie nutjobs like you who think our rights are ALL “God’s domain” when the Bible was pro-slavery, pro-owning women like livestock, pro-war with ALL others who don’t share your particular sect of faith, and PRO-ABORTION (Look up Numbers 5:11-31 if you’d like to see RECEIPTS for this claim). Now what? “God created you so you owe him your unquestioned loyalty, you heathen!!” Is that what you got in your chamber for me? Latina, huh? Que Lastima....

[@ghengiskhan9308]

@@mariacortez5931 people forget that before Christianity post civilisations were sacrificing their children something certain people want to bring back

[@aisforapple2494]

When asked his opinion on Roe vs. Wade, President Joe Biden said, "It depends on how deep the water is."

[@jadecraig1082]

Super clever!!

[@aarone8740]

Poor sad little troll

[@Addison.Renfroe]

He said recently (after the overturning) that it was not the SCOTUS' choice if the woman wanted to "abort the child". The ol' troll admitted it was a child.

[@aarone8740]

@@Addison.Renfroe ya; if only he had suggested useing an A-r 50 to kill it; that would be acceptable!

[@Addison.Renfroe]

@@aarone8740 child's not in the middle east

[@fallstoncougarsparentpage6850]

Great information & facts. Wish we can move forward to this.

[@heyitsme881]

We can’t move on until abortion is federally banned.

[@deborahstollman6238]

Excellent. Thank you!!!

[@drvonschwartz]

Why is it so difficult to find an unbiased explanation that just looks at this from a standpoint of case law?

[@KarmaDivmp]

Because of the overruling bias against common sense

[@adriandavis8148]

It is a 50/50 issue, and those on either end of the spectrum have strong opinions. All the more reason to leave the question to the individual States. The goal of the court was to settle the controversy amenably, thence the complex trimester scheme. Task was failed successfully.

[@KarmaDivmp]

COMMON SENSE WHO ON THIS DAMN PLANET KNOWS SHIT B4 THEY F*N 4 YRS OLD PRETTY MUCH

[@KarmaDivmp]

Also there's cancer surgeries that don't guarantee whatsoever a positive result in fact could result in more complications or death itself as well as many other surgeries that we ARE GIVEN THE CHOICE and it's not always a guarantee of survival, but for a chance at QUALITY OF LIFE!!!

[@KarmaDivmp]

And I'm all for medically assisted suicide as well which... Well that's obvious my point I imagine

[@jollypoorman]

Thank you so much for helping me understand the fundamental aspects of RvW. Really great and informative.

[@dagrizzla6252]

Intro song ?

[@thomasmoriarty7881]

I am not pro-murdering babies. I am Pro-Becky who found out at her 20 week anatomy scan that the infant she was so excited to bring into this world had developed without life sustaining organs. I am Pro-Susan who was sexually assaulted on her way home from work, only to come to the horrific realization that her assailant planted his seed in her when she got a positive pregnancy test result a month later. I am Pro-Theresa who hemorrhaged due to a placental abruption, causing her parents, spouse, and children to make the impossible decision whether to save her or her unborn child. I am Pro-little Cathy who had her innocence ripped away from her by someone she should of been able to trust and her 11 year old body isn't mature enough to bear the consequences of that betrayal. I am Pro-Melissa who's working 2 jobs just to make ends meet who has to choose between bringing a other child into poverty or feeding the children she already has because her spouse walked out on her. I am Pro-Brittany who realizes that she is in no way financially, emotionally or physically able to raise a child. I am Pro-Emily who went through IVF ending up with SIX viable implanted eggs requiring selective reduction in order to ensure the safety of her and a SAFE amount of fetuses. I am Pro-Christina who doesn't want to be a mother, but birth control methods sometimes fail. I am Pro-Jessica who is FINALLY getting the strength to get away from her physically abusive spouce only to find out that she is carrying the monster's child. I am Pro-Vanessa who went into her confirmation appointment after YEARS of trying to conceive only to hear silence where there should be a heartbeat. I am Pro-Lindsay who lost her virginity in her sophomore year with a broken condom and now has to choose whether to be a teenage mom or just a teenager. I am Pro-Courtney who just found out she's already 13 weeks along, but the egg never made it out of the fallopian tube so either she terminates the pregnancy or risks dying from internal bleeding. You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want, but the truth is I'm pro-life. Their lives. Women's lives. You don't get to pick and choose which scenarios should be accepted. Women's rights are meant to protect ALL women, regardless of their situation! Please feel free to copy and paste!!

[@anjalithangavelu6929]

Awesome ….. bottom line …. It’s our choice …. Regardless of circumstances

[@anjalithangavelu6929]

Let us not beg for justification for abortion rights …. We are here first and only is can make the decisions to let someone else grow

[@Addison.Renfroe]

@@anjalithangavelu6929 and when will that line be drawn.

[@AgapeLove878]

this is always the argument when in reality these make up a small percentage of elective abortions. there will be access for these people. but if you are using abortion as birth control ... it's not the same.

[@DustinLee86]

I seen this meme before lol

[@nohgagic]

Wait why doesn't this video has more views? It feels like I'm watching the History Channel.

[@roystonboodoo7525]

No one ever really want to hear truth, esp when one's way is achieved on a wrong premise

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

Because most people know that the Federalist Society is likely to lie quite a bit.

[@lauracohen4914]

It's from the Federalist society, a religious law group that has been turning the U.S. into a theocracy.

[@coach_alpha_elite]

Thoughts on the draft leak?

[@mdb1239]

According to Norma McCorvey (Jane Roe) because she didn't want an abortion. Roe v Wade wasn't even a legitimate legal case. McCorvey had her daughter. How did this even reach the Supreme Court if it was not a legitimate case? I've always wondered this.

[@Hunpecked]

As the video mentions, Roe v Wade was only the first such case to reach the Court. A majority of Justices were apparently determined to usurp the legal power of the states to legislate abortion, so only the case would change, not the outcome.

[@mdb1239]

@@Hunpecked They couldn't find a women who wanted to challenge it in court due the the STIGMA so they had to invent one.

[@rb-pk8ds]

She did, then she didn't, then she did .. she was a flawed person, but aren't we all. The baby was already born because these cases take FOREVER. You can look her up .. as a deathbed "confession" she admitted she was paid by pro life advocates to publicly join their side. Whatever, she was in the right place at the right time to be pivotal and then had to somehow live with all the judgement & expectation & pressure. :-(

[@Hunpecked]

@@mdb1239 On the video's map at about 4:46 you'll see Doe v Bolton. This also involved a pregnant plaintiff ("Mary Doe'). The Doe and Roe decisions were announced by the Court on the same day.

[@Hunpecked]

@@rb-pk8ds If you haven't already, you might want to check out the film "Citizen Ruth" (1996), starring Laura Dern as a homeless pregnant drug addict. Pro-lifers and pro-abortionists end up in a bidding war for her unborn baby. None of the characters come off well in the film.

[@NoLies17]

Well communicated and just the info I was looking for. Thanks!

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

Including the misrepresentations you wanted?

[@DaveMustang74]

Exactly, though I see not everyone agrees. I found it to be fairly balanced. I don't need anyone telling me how to think. I'm perfectly capable.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

@@DaveMustang74 That statement, "I don't need anyone telling me how to think. I'm perfectly capable." is why so many are so weak at thinking.

[@TheRealMake-Make]

Confirmation bias confirmed.

[@DaveMustang74]

@@UnconventionalReasoning so, by someone else telling you how to think, it makes you think for yourself better????? Sure thing...🙄

[@nicfeller]

Penumbras of emanations??? Trimester system??? Bro, we are not reading the same constitution...

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

At the time the Constitution was written, abortion was legal.

[@Hunpecked]

@@UnconventionalReasoning Abortions were generally ILLEGAL after "quickening", when a pregnant woman could feel her child moving (variable timing, roughly 5 months). Thus the states had and used the legal power to regulate abortion, which is what the upcoming Supreme Court decision apparently will reaffirm. Edit: As Justice Alito's draft opinion notes, Planned Parenthood v Casey supersedes Roe v Wade. The justification for Casey is taken from the 14th Amendment. Quoting the draft opinion, "Indeed, when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted, three quarters of the States made abortion a crime at all stages of pregnancy." Thus it's ludicrous to think that the 14th Amendment was intended, by any stretch of the imagination, to create a national right to abortion.

[@kevinwoolley7960]

The original decision was so poorly thought out that it could not stand in the long run

[@nicfeller]

Unpopular opinion: Thankfully Roe was overturned. Hopefully abortion can become legal democratically.

[@Hunpecked]

@@nicfeller Given that abortion (with some restrictions) is legal in multiple states, anyone in the US who really wants an abortion can get one. It's unclear to me if Congress has the power to regulate abortion nationwide, but apparently a number of Democrats want to try.

[@KenGutierrez01]

Now I hear they reversed the choice

[@kevinsspanish]

Who's choice? Theirs or the child's?

[@no-bozos]

SCOTUS was right to decide that a woman had a right to decide what to do with her body. However, when the rights of the unborn fetus came into the periphery, they had to make a pretty nefarious argument. Which was that, based on the 14th amendment, the fetus, or child, having not been born was not afforded rights as a citizen of the United States, and therefore, was not afforded the right to it's life, or even the pursuit of it. Which was a horrendously stupid conclusion. The justices had basically said that if you weren't a citizen of the U.S., you had no right to YOUR life. Which leaves me to ponder if a foreigner enters the country, is it okay for me or a doctor to have them aborted (killed)? Is that legal? As ridiculous as it sounds, imagine how it is for an unborn child? The legal precedent behind this did nothing but make a mockery of the law. To make such a childish leap by using the 14th amendment, which was created to give former slaves the right to citizenship, was an extremely short-sighted decision. What bothers me the most is that NO ONE addresses this act, or even questions it. Yet, if a woman is deciding to keep the baby and someone kills her and the unborn child, it's considered a double homicide. The selfishness of people astounds me. The thought that an unborn child has no rights is monstrous. Especially since a box of 20 condoms costs $12, or less.

[@Addison.Renfroe]

Well said!!!💖👣

[@krysti9779]

Yes!

[@chrislo7385]

They are saying the baby doesnt have the right to use the mother as an incubator. Which means the baby will die. Immigrants dont need human incubators so your arguement doesnt really work

[@no-bozos]

@@chrislo7385 - My argument works, my short-sighted friend, because EVERYONE NEEDED AN INCUBATOR TO LIVE. Also, silly, my point was that EVEN IMMIGRANTS HAVE A RIGHT TO THEIR LIFE. You're not one for thinking much, are you?

[@no-bozos]

@@chrislo7385 - Our president is even considering giving ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS $450,000. You don't even want to give an unborn American the chance to even take their first breath of air. Don't respond, you're just embarrassing yourself.

[@thomasmoriarty7881]

Stop Blaming Women for Abortions! More often than not the abortion is because of a man. • A man who forced himself • A man who left • A man who won't step up • A man who won't support • A man who won't participate When are we going to hold MEN responsible for abortion?

[@TheValueMethod]

Hey brother I want you to understand men are held accountable for every conviction of crime you can think of this is not about men being responsible this is about women having a constitutional right and fundamental right to an abortion and what trimester it can happen at, both sides that being pro-life and pro-choice don't matter because both are backed by the constitution I hope there is a little understanding in what I am saying.

[@KarmaDivmp]

I am an advocate for anything that reduces the awareness of being in this form, Life in this world is not, and can not, nor has it ever been perfect, and if it were, we would be as close to unaware as there could be, so why continue on the misery of existence, if we are truly meant to continue I believe we shall, regardless of these simple practices of science and... well when you break it down it's all science.. That's the best we got and the best we'll have if we choose to live.

[@nobodynoone2500]

Did you forget your seroquil this morning?

[@KarmaDivmp]

@@nobodynoone2500 Ah yes Seroquel what we take for problems with LIFE. If I had been aborted that wouldn't be a problem.

[@donniemoder1466]

Why the music in the background?

[@no_prisoners6474]

This is deep

[@zayraquezada5763]

i had to have a medical abortion after being sexually abuse on my sister and nice death anniversary the person i consider my friend abuse of me then after a month i found out i had a ectopic pregnancy so my life was at risk on top of the shame and pain i was going through i’m a medical provider and i never tho this ever happened to me cuz i have protected my self for so long and when i was changing my IUD this happened to me! so if abortion are not legal that mean i needed to die and leave my 15 year old behind without a mother so many emotions i’m not a criminal or evil this hurt my soul until this day

[@drewroberts139]

No you are not a criminal. It is a difficult decision you had to make, with which the government has NO RIGHT to to interfere.

[@hoperules8874]

ectopic pregnancies were never considered medically viable I am SO sorry for your pain and so glad you made a hard choice for your 15 year old's best life. It will never feel easy or ok, but you made a wise decision, and you made it for love. Those are good things.

[@MsTifalicious]

Oh please! No one , not even the most right leaning anti-abortionist person out there would ever suggest that a woman have to deal with an ectopic pregnancy that could k¡|l her to save a baby that won't even live because that baby will never grow to be the size of a viable baby while inside of the fallopian tube. Quit it. 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

[@MsTifalicious]

And abortions will always be legal as long as states like California and new York exist. 🤦🏼‍♀️🤦🏼‍♀️

[@drewroberts139]

@@MsTifalicious Actually, many states do not have an exception for ectopic pregnancies in their upcoming legislations. It is like THAT now.

[@alexrfontes]

Very good documentary! Thank you for posting the video!👏

[@mikeroberts3383]

this is good thing to learn and it is rrally deep

[@beckystjohn3011]

Why didn't they explore what Jane Roe said?

[@jdpalm1981]

Good video. I'd like to see one on Dobbs.

[@edsr164]

Dobbs was another act of raw judicial power!

[@jdpalm1981]

@@edsr164 - When any of the three branches does something unilaterally, it's raw.

[@kevinwoolley7960]

@@edsr164 no, Dobbs puts the decision back in the hands of individual voters and the legislative process, it is the exact opposite of what you are describing

[@bladee_enjoyer540]

@@kevinwoolley7960 What do you think about the fact when this court overturns Lawrence on the same grounds, that being gay will be instantly criminalized in many states? Ken Paxton has already said he will prosecute under Texas' sodomy law. Stop buying into christofascist propaganda

[@kevinwoolley7960]

@@bladee_enjoyer540 The court has no intention of revisiting those decisions. Justice Thomas is the only one who has expressed interest and the others have explicitly stated that they aren't interested. It takes 4 justices in order for a case to be reviewed by SCOTUS. So the court "overturning Lawrence" is not happening, and I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

[@tammywines7343]

This shouldn't even an issue . This should have always been a state issue. The federal government truly has no fight in this. Wow over 50 million have been slaughtered simply because federal government stepped in on state rights.

[@phillynurse9492]

Excellent video very informative with the varying viewpoints.

[@SYAgencies0379]

The principal, is stand on your perception of life and what you belief in ,and it will turn out for the good or bad, but its saying, freedom is always controversial, but her right to war exist, cause tables can turn by truth at any moment in life , as we birth and die, and involved in our practices of medical and health. Like weed was illegal and had penalties, now it doesn't and their not being incarcerated for it. It either this or the world is a hypothetical or hypocrisy bowl of chaos. ❤

[@JamesLDurham]

A very level headed documentary, some of the imagery showing a woman well past the second trimester and talking about abortion is suspect. However, at the end of the day if you are against abortion don’t have one.

[@DS-xp4jb]

The state, has a compelling and legal interest in the development and safety of the state.

[@Darth-Claw-Killflex]

At least you got the word "History" right.

[@Brett33]

Are women worried about getting this firmly protected in the Constitution because we have a 2nd Amendment protection to gun ownership without infringement clearly documented in the Bill of Rights and look at how often those rights get infringed upon .

[@Brett33]

Decisions that are between a husband and wife are one thing. Decisions that then affect the life or death of a child are a bit different .

[@tkam54]

Fetus, embryo, zygote, and child are not the same thing

[@yvonnelee4385]

@@tkam54 so you’re against abortion when a fetus is viable then, I would presume?

[@tkam54]

@@yvonnelee4385 - nope. Its not my choice...up to doctor and woman

[@yvonnelee4385]

@@tkam54 then your distinction doesn’t mean jack shit. You’re fine with a woman murdering her baby up to 9 months, aka after it’s viable and could survive outside the womb. Just say that you’re okay with baby murder and be done with it 🙄

[@lukedixon2938]

@@yvonnelee4385 procreation is the mother of all evils. abortion is mercy. ALL pregnancies should be aborted as early as possible. end the cycle of death and suffering.

[@jaderunes]

I'm curious; has anyone found a documentary on whether there are groups trying to get fetal/embryonic rights? As in, fetal/embyonic support, WIC, SNAP, or even legal aid if the potential father raped the mother? Wouldn't an embryo or a fetus have the right to defend itself against a rapist? And even paid FMLA while it was developing into a human baby? Also, I can't imagine states with trigger laws would want to be shelling out more government aid to women having these babies. Too many people ridicule illegitimate children and the mothers "popping out babies" to stay on as much support as they can get. Wouldn't such states want to find the fathers, so the mothers could stay off of the government dole? And would such fathers also be eligible for WIC for their potential babies before they had developed into an embryo, and then a fetus? This whole thing is pretty messy.

[@arandy123]

I think most people are focusing on the bigger problem first which is making sure the unborn actually have a right to exist before going any further. Unborn human don't need a legal right to SNAP they need a legal right to exist. Thats the starting point for support before anything else. We regonize that a 3-month old baby should be protected by the state but for some reason we get muddled about a 7 month old fetus simply because the mother within whose body the fetus is gestating has decided that she'd rather not carry it to term. The mother of the 3-month old can just as easily decide to extricate herself from the responsibility of child rearing right? What is fundamentally different here? In the grand scheme of things, not carrying a 7-month fetus to term and killing a 3-month-old is not really all that different. The only major difference is in the fact that to commit the latter you would need to overcome basic human parent instincts. To do the former you can rely on a trained specialist who can pull a part the fetus with tongs without having to hear it scream or see its eyes filled with terror. Someone who has ostensibly made their peace long ago with the barbarism of the act and rationalized it as "just a medical procedure." Besides, SNAP and WIC are not rights. They are means-tested support programs for struggling households (out of the umbrella of dozens of means-tested programs). They don't get conferred on you as some kind of constitutional right. The government provides SNAP and can take it away at any moment if it decides your should not have it because you don't need it or it does not want you to have it. That's hardly arguable as a right. Rights are things that by dint of our existence and are granted us by god and nature. They are unalienable. Government payments are not rights in such respect as they can be cannot be articulated as fundamental out of the necessity of our state of being. If you think SNAP is a right then virtually anything you might want or need or find useful could be considered a right. This is ostensibly risible. Your point in the abstract is important however. There should be a lot more discussion about providing resources for prospective and expectant fathers and mothers. What form that will all take is certainly up for debate and discussion but most people will agree that more resources are needed so that women are not pressured to have abortions simply out of fear or panic. A lot of people don't even know that there are already some resources out there already.

[@engmed4400]

It isn't messy. One would extend the same human rights that one would recognize for a neonate, infant, or toddler. They aren't developing into a baby, they are babies. It makes sense that they would enjoy the same rights that any other human baby would.

[@hezekiahwallace2412]

You do realize if a person was to kill a pregnant woman they get punished for killing the mother and the baby.

[@jaderunes]

@@engmed4400 Yeah, that's the question, isn't it? because if they were really babies, then someone, or a group of somebodies, would've already been petitioning for that status to happen. Thus the status for citizenship, so they could have their rights. So I'm still curious why there's no documentary discussing that. Especially when the taxpayer dollars needed for such rights will become involved.

[@engmed4400]

They are babies. They meet the definition of human children by virtue of their genetic makeup and stage of development. As for the rest, consider two points. First, there's the phenomenon of fetal victim laws, and then there is the fact that either the City of Portland or Seattle has extended bereavement benefits to city employees who've had abortions. If that isn't an admission of their humanity, then I don't know what is.

[@SpoonFruit]

Fascinating.

[@cinemaipswich4636]

How strange it is that this particular KZbin channel has no providence. What is the name and address of the people that have crafted this want?

[@kevinwoolley7960]

Um, it's the Federalist society. I guess reading isn't your strong point?

[@marianacalado1756]

This documentary is so well-made.

[@bestproto5117]

And very neutral the federalist society is a conservative/libetarian institute yet they brought people from both side i like it! It wouldn't have been the case if PBS or Politico !

[@kenlandon6130]

@@bestproto5117 It was quite nonpartisan and neutral for a conservative legal shill group until the last 2 minutes or so

[@kenlandon6130]

17:58 It tried to co-opt Roe as being pro-life by claiming that it recognized the "child" (more like fetus) from the moment of conception, while also disparaging it.

[@bestproto5117]

@@kenlandon6130 since 1952 all the way up until 1994 when thomas joined the court we had a very very Liberal supreme court. They made it harder to perform executions despite the fact that the death penelty is mentioned in the constitution and all the founders who wrote the constitution were supportive of capital punishment. At the same time they legalized abortion claiming a woman has the constitutional right to an abortion nation wide despite the fact that the constitution does not even mention the word abortion and despite the fact that in 1973 52% of Americans were against abortion a majority. ROE V WADE was an undemocratic action. Today we don't have a conservative supreme court like the media keeps claiming we have a constitutionalist supreme court . We have six constitutionalists who follow the constitution and 3 Liberal activists who rule based on what they like.

[@ashleywhite9641]

Let’s be totally honest here …. We have 6 judges that were put on the SC to overturn roe. Be honest, they are biased.

[@falkenvir]

Abortion should be allowed as exception to victims of rape or sexual abuse. But in General it should be Prohibited.

[@jakestroll6518]

So a rape victim would have to prove her rape before she could secure an abortion? How long do you think investigations and prosecutions take? Days??? What if she's unable to prove it since she has no physical injury? Of course you could just take the girls/woman word for it but something tells me anti-abortionists won't all it.

[@falkenvir]

@@jakestroll6518 Police Report

[@falkenvir]

@@jakestroll6518 also let's face it abortion happens mostly due to unwanted children from free sex.

[@rosedalinevaletine6931]

All life matters. That child never asked to be created, regardless of how it happened. It’s hypocritical of you to suggest otherwise.

[@CandieP]

@@rosedalinevaletine6931 if all life matters then we would have universal healthcare for these babies and poor families, we would have universal childcare, we would have every job offer Family Paid Leave so mommy and baby can bond, we wouldn’t have a formula shortage with no relief insight, we would have adequate Gun regulation laws so that a crazy asshole doesn’t go in these babies schools and blow their heads off. Don’t let these politicians fool you, they can give two sh*ts about these babies, it’s all about having control.

[@rajindermangat3659]

I agree with you 100%.

[@Goosewaum1]

People need to watch the latest Roe no Wade movie….or read the book that the movie was based on…Dr. Bernard Nathanson…

[@aryan7767]

Pregnancy can be risky and difficult on women's bodies The status of a fetus before birth is a contentious question inextricable from the question of women's autonomy; two principled, moral people can come to different conclusions about what they would choose Embryos and fetuses are fragile; spontaneous abortion is very common (30-40% of pregnancies) and difficult to distinguish from induced abortion Early abortions are far more common than later ones; late-term abortion is rare after the first trimester and only comes up due to medical complication Sex- or trait-selective abortion is unethical, unless the trait leads to an unviable (literally not survivable) condition In lieu of safe and legal options, many women will still try to induce an abortion, possibly unsafely Based on these ideas, I come to several stances on how abortion should be approached in terms of public policy and culture: Abortion should be legal overall, with minimal hurdles for inducing one Making abortion illegal would be ineffective at reducing abortion Making abortion illegal puts an undue burden on women, including compelling women undergoing miscarriage to prove that they miscarried, which is a horrible situation for anyone who is already facing miscarriage to face Pragmatically, I wish more people would agree on policies that actually made abortion rarer. For instance, sex education and contraceptive use should be more widespread and comprehensive Personal opinions against abortion are valid, and medically-informed policies that ensure the safety and bodily autonomy of pregnant women and the fetuses they want ought to be encouraged.

[@Addison.Renfroe]

Hey there. While I do not agree with your positions, I want to say you geniunely walked through it very well, and spoke open-mindedly. Not very common among most pro-choicers, so I wanted to say excellent job; I admire the tone and respectful way you spoke/wrote.

[@lucasdarianschwendlervieir3714]

Tbh I prefer the Oxford definition where what you called induced abortion is just called abortion. There is another term already when the baby dies unintentionally - it's called a miscarriage.

[@ashleywhite9641]

How come here you are accepting ??

[@arewestilldoingphrasing6490]

I believe legally that a if state wants to ban or have abortions its none of the court's business. The court has no enumerated constitutional power to decide what an individual may do to their body or children. Morally I believe it is murder and irresponsible to have an abortion. Its not about choice its about being responsible to for your actions. How can one call themselves pro choice if the choices now are to be on the pill, use protection, morning after, tubes tied, stop fucking lame as dudes, adoption etc be in control of your life by being preventative. There are many choices there but your only pro choice if you consider death uh i mean abortion. Thats not pro choice thats pro irresponsibility. Yes rapes happen but they are so far and few that we can not apply an exception as the general rule. I also believe if you abort thats your business and you should be able to abort whenever you feel like it. I also believe a man should be able to choose to be there for the kid as well

[@chongert6396]

Lets do the process that is designed to make babies! Oh no, we made a baby. Good thing we can just kill it and avoid any responsibility for our actions. What “burden” would it put on women?? Having to face responsibility for their mistakes? Intentionally ending an innocent human life is murder. The baby developing inside of a mother’s womb is a human life. And a very innocent one. Abortion is murder, plain and simple.

[@catedoge3206]

Roe v. Wade no more. We need to vote.

[@LuigiMordelAlaume]

15:48 "the state having interest in potential life" WTF, someone tell me any precedent or common law where the state has any legal authority over "potential life"

[@trueauthority3489]

How about sail vrs motor

[@julielobato9766]

If you look at the value of an unborn child in regards to legal judiciary decisions, you will find the hypocrisy that is gravely needed to be argued. Example : if you were a pregnant woman who was murdered, and as a result, the unborn was also deceased, the charges would include a seperate fount for the murder of the unborn. Why is an unborn baby only valued when it is convenient? And devalued when it is inconvenient?? Abortion should be reserved for extreme cases where a woman/child, conceives via rape, incest. And when the fetus will be born without a brain or similar severe abnormalities (not autism, etc). When birthing the baby can cause the death of the mother or when the mother is unable to safely carry the pregnancy due to addiction or severe mental illness. People should be responsible with sex. We have so many options.

[@bladee_enjoyer540]

We do have many options, for example you have the option not to post your moronic opinions online

[@bovinityleak2066]

All that wind to say your anti-choice based on your feelings. Fk that. Reevaluate yourself

[@dennisbarnes9317]

Fundamental rights aren't constitutional right, that's when the Supreme Court needs to set the record straight.

[@pranavagrawal9382]

Does the constitution state that fundamental rights won't be violated

[@israelvasquez7801]

9th amemdmemt

[@rainb5987]

Due process provides catch all phrase for fundamental rights unenumerated

[@mamieann701]

@Israel Ninth Amendment: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people, addresses rights given by The Constitution. Therefore IX Amendment does not protect interpretations of Constitution, but only our Constitutional rights as written. Founding Fathers wrote in plain english what they meant so no interpretations are required.

[@dennisbarnes9317]

@Artemis You can’t say it’s law of the land and then say you’ll sign it into law. There is no provision or amendment for abortion, nor is it at any where stated in the constitution. The fact that this is known yet accepted is a disgrace. The same judicial blessing protecting abortion, protected racial segregation and emboldened Jim Crow era politicians to enact racial laws . So Roe V Wade should be struck down because it is not protected in the constitution, it is in fact the duty and responsibility of the people legislative and executive branch to sign laws into existence.

[@jacobzaranyika9334]

I am more than determined to see this through. Try me!

[@koryshepard770]

It's sad the way women are fighting for something like this!!!

[@BettyWhite2171]

This is all about money. Harvesting and selling organs is a billion dollar business. We know what you do with the babies. Sickos!

[@Mary-Love]

I believe every new law and loophole and blind eye turned towards oppression and every joke thrown at an "uncomfortable" topic just takes us farther away from a desperately needed change in our education system. Fuck yeah we're uncomfortable. We were never taught sexual education, kinetic education, sociological education, psychological education, financial education. You know who the states leave that up to? Unprepared and terrified parents, who are still learning the world as their children are learning theirs.

[@bobhabib7662]

Nobody has to live in ignorance, especially with the availability of information on the internet these days. There are no excuses anymore for not learning how to be an adult. If you are old enough to have sex, then you are old enough to understand it could result in the creation of another human life. The selfishness that people still stubbornly maintain they should be allowed to have on this issue is astonishing. They want the Right to do anything, without consequence, when that doesn't exist. They play, they pay. This mentality is 1000% the result of discipline and common sense being removed from the education system. Hell, MOST of our problems are because of this!

[@Mary-Love]

@@bobhabib7662 I agree, but you and I were also given the tools necessary and nurtured soul to explore self sustainability and reach whatever next step is in our lives. in my earliest days my mom would sing to me and read to me every night, no school would ever accomplish the same feeling and the same effect on a child's creativity. "There's no excuse for not learning how to be an adult". There isn't any excuse for not learning how to be a parent either I would argue, but time and time again, parents fail because they should not be expected to do it all by themselves, working to the bone,spending no time with their children. A more balanced school environment may have the potential to create more capable people. That is what our government is afraid of.

[@Mary-Love]

@@bobhabib7662 this is not enywhere near every situation, but neither is thinking that every Joe handed the internet would somehow make them educated. You need to teach them where to look first

[@Mary-Love]

@@bobhabib7662 discipline is built into the very center of our education system to teach us that some kids will always end up in suspension and expelled and some terrible kids have family on the student board and will never face consequences for their shitty actions. What kind of common sense are you implying schools teach?

[@bobhabib7662]

@@Mary-Love We weren't always given the tools, but we were given the discipline!

[@tamlaedmundson8099]

It's a decision, based on the rights of will of the persons involved, all life is sacred.

[@tatertot6758]

Do we need a new Constitutional Amendment that address Personal Privacy directly as it relates to social issues like these, but also growing concerns with infringements against freedoms prevalent here is this Internet, and Post-Internet Age?

[@insanisstultitia3119]

ProLife is a Religious force on the secular population to accept and obey their religious beliefs. Pure and simple.

[@iammes1892]

exactly. all the people wanting afab people to be incubators are calling in jesus and god. step off your high horse. if you want a kid, have it if you can, and if you want to force your beliefs on another then kindly go through the devastating process and fear that you will have your body completely change- and may never come back from- because of it

[@adore.genesisomg3470]

In God we trust… Right. We must trust in life. You lay , you raise up and be responsible. The foundation is USA suppose to be o. The foundation of God. Read your money, look at the swearing in. We the people need to stay woke😳

[@nwankwojames8006]

Great information and fact

[@jrsands]

The issue decided in Dobbs is that not only abortion but anything not specifically assigned to the federal government in the Constitution and all other powers not forbidden to the states by the Constitution are reserved to each state and to the people. In other words, if it isn’t the federal governments responsibility as specifically detailed in the Constitution then jurisdiction of that issue is to be left to the sovereign states. Regardless, the job of setting policy is the job of the legislative branch, not the judicial branch. Given these two pillars of our system of government the Berger court of 1973 should never have even entertained taking the action they took. This court corrected the gross judicial overreach Roe v Wade is representative of.

[@tomrecane6366]

Except of course when it benefits conservatives.

[@tammywines7343]

This should have always been about States Rights. Why would anyone want the federal government in our Healthcare issues.

[@algerbanane4521]

someone may think "why would i wang the state in my healthcare issues" and be thankful that the federal government protects them from their state

[@tammywines7343]

@@algerbanane4521 People move from state to state and laws change from state too state. Once the Federal government has their teeth in our everyday lives we're pretty much screwed. The federal government needs to take care of monitoring our federal taxes we pay for Social Security, immigration, homeland security, the educational system, OSHA, our military, health care system, the federal government hasn't balanced a budget in year's. Yes we need the feds lol the nation is 31 trillion in debt.

[@Anon54387]

States' rights don't go so far as to infringe individual rights. This was the problem with the states' rights argument in support of slavery. There is no right to own another human because another human has their own rights, and there is no right to end the life of a kid in the womb.

[@brittanyfeagin2191]

My husband is army and we have tricare insurance. The govt is already in my shit 😭 I don’t care

[@JamesLDurham]

Yes, an act of raw judicial power, so is the death penalty, something that the majority of prolife people oddly support. The question remains, is abortion a private or a public matter? I believe it’s a private matter between a patient and a Dr. Therefore the ruling works. I have ‘the right’ to use contraception, even though it’s not in the constitution. Can the state mandate me not to, or anyone else.? Can the state claim jurisdiction over a fertilized uterus? The answer is: no. If the state is declaring such jurisdiction, what responsibilities is the state assuming as well? Can the state be held to monetarily support the mother and child? Can the state force the father to be monetarily responsible?

[@paulfoeller4780]

A couple of points: 1) Yes, I believe the state should absolutely force the father to be monetarily responsible. I've never heard a single conservative say otherwise. This is a straw man liberals keep propping up, but it's not remotely grounded in reality. 2) The death penalty is not an act of "raw judicial power". We are guaranteed to not be deprived of life, liberty, or property *without due process*. The court's holding that a trial by a jury of peers could suffice to carry the burden of due process is entirely within the realm of their enumerated duty. 3) Speaking of due process, the argument that the state can never encroach on bodily autonomy (a designation that I don't think applies to this situation, anyway) is also encapsulated within the same concept. That is, there is no constitutionally guaranteed right to never be deprived of bodily autonomy at all - the guaranteed right is to not be deprived of that liberty *without due process*. 4) There is no general right to privacy in the Constitution, so whether the matter is public or private is immaterial.

[@JamesLDurham]

@@paulfoeller4780 Great points! Thank you! So you live in a country with no right to privacy in your constitution. Perhaps you should remedy that particular point. Yes, ‘so you can kill people as long as there is legal due process’. Correct. I don’t think it’s a straw man argument concerning the fathers responsibility, I have never heard any suggestions of monetarily responsibilities forced on biological fathers from the moment of conception, nor have I heard of any social programs sponsored by the state and paid fully by tax payers dollars to support mothers through their pregnancy, if fathers can not, or will not. Please provide with this information.

[@JamesLDurham]

@@paulfoeller4780 Also, I forgot to say ‘ you don’t think this encroaches on bodily autonomy’, but the state is saying if you’re pregnant we have some autonomy in your uterus. If you are saying that it is a child, not an embryo, or a fetus, then has it not rights to protection, from the mother consuming alcohol or drugs, is this not child abuse if the mother poisons the child? She can’t take the morning after pill, because that would be murder. If I had a uterus and the government said that I couldn’t deal with as I see fit, I would make a strong argument that my bodily autonomy is being encroached upon. If the government said my testicles can not be removed, they would encroaching on my autonomy. If a young fertile woman wants a hysterectomy is she depriving the ‘unborn’ from being born? I agree there is no constitutionally right to never be deprived of autonomy, you can imprison an individual. However, you can not sterilize them, even with due process as we have found out. Now, claiming that it is not a public or private matter, is odd because I can not think of anything more private that a woman’s private parts. I understand, that Supreme Court made a stretch under the 14th amendment. However, could the argument be made that ‘due process of law’ has been upheld and sanctified by the precedent of Roe V Wade. Certainly, all the justices in their confirmations hearings seemed to say so, and yet they may change their minds on this particular point. I’m not a lawyer, I truly appreciate the arguments you’ve made. I think of liberty of the individual in this debate more than anything else. Is the state imposing on a woman’s liberty over her body? If so, then the precedent holds and Roe V Wade can not be over turned, because then the court has claimed liberty over an individual with out due process. If a woman becomes pregnant, her right to liberty has been deprived, because the state with out due process is forcing her to bear a child, therefore limiting her liberty. Unless, you claim there has been due process, ‘making it illegal’ which is the same argument I made about the precedent of Roe v Wade, being ‘the due process’. Anyway thanks for the healthy debate. Please remember, if you are against abortion, I strongly suggest that you don’t have one.

[@CHX_37]

A non-citizen criminal rapist entering the USA illegally has the protection of the Constitution - shouldn't a innocent, unborn, legal, law abiding female child also be protected by the constitution?

[@hoperules8874]

hmm abortion kills an innocent life death penalty kills a guilty killer of life... and somehow you think these opinions are somehow dichotomy-like opposed to one another? Both are well represented as being in the best interest of the state (to regulate)* *edited for grammar

[@hussainrt3242]

jargon that doesn't tap the issue of what constitutes a "person" worthy of protection

[@cassiaprior453]

6:24 "The right to privacy as invented by the Supreme Court, is the absolute foundation for the modern jurisprudence on abortion"

[@annaligtenberg3005]

I'm struggling with this video. First, of course, the Federalist Society isn't unbiased, and never has been, on this topic. It's still a fairly informative video, but FAR from unbiased. The video is heavily front-loaded with a LOT of anti-choice language and some lies (ie the legality of abortion pre-Roe). THEN I get to 6 minutes in - on the screen is a timeline. It SAYS (as had been spoken earlier by someone else) that Black and Harlan retired. But the voice over it says "two justices had died shortly before..." which is just not true. How did such an uninformed person come to merit a voice on such a complicated issue when they don't know a simple BASIC historical fact? Were people who are actually informed not available? I don't hate the video, just find it misleading in several places. It's still a good guide for pro-choice and pro-human-rights activists to hear what the other side is saying - true or not - and who they're listening to. Can't defeat this stuff without knowing what they're spouting.

[@heyitsme881]

Must be miserable to be so anti life.

[@Anita.Cox.]

Also they just completely ignore the 9th amendment which allows for interpretations and add ons to the constitution that is not exactly written.

[@robinshahan5778]

I graduated high school in 1973. In 1974 I wanted an abortion. I was told it could only be done no later then 12 weeks. I had understood that to be the law. I am pro abortion but with time limit a fully formed fetus and Partial birth are murders. In my opinion. Consider the many times wimen gave birth at home. Killed the baby or dumped live baby in trash cans . What was that called ? Was the woman arrested ?

[@BettyWhite2171]

I personally don't see how a person could kill her baby. And, by the way, the baby feels pain during an abortion. Watch the videos. They literally scream and cry. Have you ever seen a baby bird get killed by toothpicks?

[@falkenvir]

They should be arrested

[@richlaw5136]

And now they have to do it again. Could you imagine how horrified these millennials will be finding babies in the trash? Like maybe it will teach them abstinence?

[@soberserotonin1850]

@@BettyWhite2171 Exactly!! I’ve been saying for months that it should be common-sense compromise to mandate abortion doctors administer opioids to the mother (who shares a blood supply with the baby) to eliminate the child’s pain before death. At LEAST eliminate the pain

[@Michael-kb3tt]

I’m confused at your argument here. Killing the born baby or throwing it in a dumpster is preferable to an abortion how?

[@morebouncebassppe2611]

Dope 💪

[@jtbaker1789]

It is like Dred Scott declaring black Americans were not and could not ever be considered human enough to be granted rights of any kind. Viability, as time passed and advances in science progress, will happen earlier and earlier. However, what I find equally disturbing as the slave owner's willingness to go to war over the right to own a person, is the modern day glib disregard for the life in the womb. I am all for abortion in cases of life of the mother and rape. But as a method of contraception especially after that heart starts beating and the body and limbs start to form? It is so American. We are a culture that pays no mind to the document that lists life before Liberty. We want our abortions and our guns matter how many lives are lost. We tolerate a classroom filled with 5 year olds being murdered in the name of our rights and having a fetus sucked out of a womb - piece by piece - all in thr name of Freedom of Choice. Sadly, if we made the correct choices in the first place we wouldn't be in this mess. If abortion is to be legal my vote is the heartbeat limitation.

[@farcenter]

It's interesting, I didn't know about this. Can one be radically pro choice, but not agree with Roe v Wade? What happens when /if the top down decision disagrees with everything you believe next time ? Who watches the watchmen ?

[@soberserotonin1850]

Yeah, Ruth Bader Ginsburg basically said Roe was garbage law that would inevitably be overthrown one day, which is why she strongly urged Democratic Party politicians to force through some sort of federal legislation or even amend the U.S. Constitution if they wanted a right to abortion

[@AN-jw2oe]

There are definite some intellectually honest people out there who are pro choice but can see why Roe was bad case law. Unfortunately, I think there are far too few of these types. :(

[@christriseninteractivechur2192]

Thx

[@laraza4trump130]

Is it just me or that woman sound a lot like Ruth Paine? 17:17 mark.

[@seagram13]

A similar conversation with robotic lawyers talking about the Dred Scott Decision occurred years ago, then we had the 13 and 14th amendment. Overturning Roe V wade will NOT be enough....Human Life Amendment is needed.

[@espositogregory]

Amen amen! There is a firm biological and ethical basis to decree human personhood as beginning upon conception. As long as unique dNA code denotes an individual as among homo sapiens, it is protected as one of us.

[@entropy8634]

@@espositogregory why do personhood happens at conception?

[@MarcDufresneosorusrex]

@@entropy8634 it happens at registration/ Regi - ster > to leave in Queen's custody; for the census. You are not a person, you Have a person. Census purposes. Why do you think our parents give us names?

[@entropy8634]

@@MarcDufresneosorusrex but parents doesn't register a person until birth

[@MarcDufresneosorusrex]

@@entropy8634 it's the doctor's job to register, he sends the documents to the Mint of Canada or the FED or whichever Central Bank you happen to be born into. Why do you think they call it a "Berth"/ Maritime law, current sea, dock, birth, .. keep on digging , you will eventually find the truth .. or it will find you

[@emmetrobert4425]

Great and fair doc on how the decision came about and why it never really settled the issue. I honestly think abortion would not be in danger of being outlawed had the prochoice movement, from the start, admitted most people think it's kind of icky the further along a pregnancy is. People really don't like abortion. It's depressing and feels just plain wrong to even people who want it to remain legal. But many will tolerate it. What ruined the right to choose was the extremists who relentlessly kept insisting no issues of personhood were at stake at all, up until birth. This insistence has repeatedly inspired prolifers to examine personhood, using ultrasounds and science to strengthen their argument year after year. Coupled with that is every smarmy anti-religious person who has been a part of the prochoice movement saying stuff like "Keep Your Rosaries off My Ovaries" and you had a perfect combination of poorly reasoned emotionalism and good ole fashioned bigotry that only made prolifers solidify their conviction the prochoice movement was nothing more than pure evil. The prochoice movement essentially defeated itself with its own excesses and rhetoric. It is undoubtedly one of the most poorly led political movements in U.S. history, given 40 percent of female voters oppose it. I have no doubt had saner people led it, we wouldn't even be having this discussion right now.

[@aidenmalecky7928]

I completely agree with you. So many prochoice people never acknowledge that abortion is ending a life. This is a huge reason of why I didn't call myself prochoice for so long. It simply feels callous and like they're trying to sweep all the dark complexity under the rug. I still can't relate to that attitude. The reason I came to realize I was prochoice was when I read a bunch of answered questions on Quora of women who had had late-term abortions. I got ready to judge, because I thought how can you just kill something that is basically a baby? But as I read each account, none of them had wanted the abortions. There were medical complications, each story different but the same in that they all initially planned to have these babies but tragedy struck. I realized it was a heartbreaking ordeal for these women, and no one should judge them the way I had just been judging them before I listened to them. Hell, you don't know what another woman is going through. Many of the prolife bills that are passing since Roe got overturned don't even acknowledge the difficulties of pregnancy, which can happen at any time from conception to birth. Do these "prolife" laws acknowledge that abortion can be a life-saving procedure in many instances? Have the people who constructed these laws spent time in a NICU? Of course not. It's just "Abortion Bad" being spouted by a bunch of old men who have never been and never will be pregnant telling a bunch of women what to do with their bodies, AS IF THEY WOULD KNOW. Feels super authoritarian and like a personal affront.

[@markrieck6204]

There aren't. That's your religious belief. The concept of personhood before birth has a myriad of dangerous repercussions. Have you studied all of them? The arguments against these ill effects are compelling.

[@scarletlora2634]

In US there were more than 900,000 abortion, the 0.01 % were mother's risk, 0.03% fetus risk. So the point is saving the mother's life is not what the pro life are talking about. NONE, prolife or prochoice are against to save mother's life. Value life of the human being, is not jugdge the women to decide abort her child, it can be a lot of circumstances, the point is the people understand that nobody have the right over another life including the one in you. Besides, if we talk about the good for woman, good for womans is not be avaliable to live that traumatic expecience, more of the cases women regret it. I can say, women can do everything including get ahead with her child.

[@kittyday1402]

@@scarletlora2634 Nope! Most of the women do NOT regret it bc we have a 3rd world countries policies for healthcare, education, daycare, etc.

[@scarletlora2634]

@@kittyday1402 of course yes. 3er countries for not kill babies, so behind. Stupids ideas!

[@LuigiMordelAlaume]

This fails to recognize the right to privacy derived from the first amendment - freedom of religion. I can make private decisions based on my religion and you can make private decisions about yours. If you're a jehovah's witness then you have the privacy rights necessary to practice your religion and refuse a blood transfusion. That means CPS can't investigate you for child neglect, judges can't approve court orders to compell a transfusion, and legislators cannot make laws intruding on your private beliefs. I realize opting out of a blood transfusion isnt a perfect comparison to opting into an abortion but hopefully my point is still clear.

[@tammywines7343]

This leak "leak" which Supreme Court Justices will retire after this " LEAK" SOMETHING STINKS ABOUT THIS WHOLE SITUATION !!

[@DemitriusX666]

I ask this question out of genuine curiosity. To those who are pro-choice and believe a woman should be able to choose because "it's just a cluster of cells", when do they cease to just a "cluster of cells"? What is that fine line where it is actually taking a life?

[@cozycherry1790]

Im not an expert but I would think some might say it would be when the baby has fully matured or when the the fetus has a heartbeat in some cases.

[@JuanLopez-mv7ru]

I think the arguments to dehumanise the fetus is to provide a more clear conscience to the person or the persons involved in the abortion. Regardless of if it's alive or not, it one moment of its development I would be alive. Even acknowledging this, I do think that woman have a right to chose whether they give life or not. I think we like to pretend that human life has a lot of value, but that's just sometimes when it conveniences us; if not we would be anti war, anti guns or even more sympathetic to the weak. The prohibition of abortion is a decision to control women's body, and doesn't come from a concern for human life. Besides it targets the poorest and the more uneducated parts of society, and that's just plain evil.

[@malinoisnation9392]

@@JuanLopez-mv7ru it’s a developing human being.

[@nicolascoyote24md27]

@@JuanLopez-mv7ru why is it evil to pray on the poor if"we just like to pretend that human life has a lot of value for record all laws affect people differently the best we can do is apply it equally

[@JuanLopez-mv7ru]

@@malinoisnation9392 I know, that's why is one of the saddest decision a woman can make, but still I do think she should have the right to make the choice. It's a tragedy I know, I get sad just thinking about it, it's just not our damn business to police others people.

[@nathanngumi8467]

A good deep dive.

[@eggman7527]

I think there are very strong and compelling arguments both for and against legalized abortion. I think it is childishly selfish to say there is an obvious, correct, yes-or-no answer.

[@lorphic777]

...past tense now

[@francobenevento7598]

Brett Kavanaugh lives at 3706 Underwood St, Chevy Chase, MD 20815 Clarence Thomas lives at 6665 Rutledge Dr, Fairfax Station, VA 22039 John Roberts lives at 6805 Meadow Ln, Chevy Chase, MD 20815 Samuel Alito lives at 1120 Greenway Rd, Alexandria, VA 22308 Amy Coney Barrett lives at 2035 Stephanie Marie Dr, Falls Church, VA 22043 Neil Gorsuch lives at 11521 Dalyn Ter Potomac, MD 20854 They should never have another day of peace as long as they live.

[@maurygoldblat8982]

I hope they aren't mad when the Supreme Court uses penumbras and emanations to protect the life of a child. What happens when the Supreme Court invents rights that pro choices don't agree with? It should be left up to the people and the state legislation.

[@Jane-qh2yd]

I don't know. The states have almost always made TERRIBLE decisions that violates constitutional and humanitarian rights. Slavery, segregation, gun ownership restrictions...

[@nobodynoone2500]

Supreme court just interprets laws. if you don't like it, your representatives make the laws. Did you miss that part in grade school or are you another foreign troll?

[@jms9057]

My reproductive health choices are nobody's business but mine. "The people" and the state legislation can butt out.

[@maurygoldblat8982]

@@jms9057 "What I do with my slave is nobody's business but mine. "The People" and the state legislation can butt out." -Your same logical argument in 1860

[@eastvan338]

this topic is heavy

[@dawnemile4974]

Anything can be twisted into whatever the most powerful people want.

[@no_prisoners6474]

Roe was basically saying 'OUR bodies, MY choice'

[@ryanscottlogan8459]

Roe basically said you can murder your children for any reason.That is why it must go.

[@d3fec767]

So you agree with anti-vax?

[@5tarstriker78.]

@@d3fec767 lol are abortions contagious?

[@gustavotonnelli]

By our bodies do you mean the mother and the fetus’s bodies?

[@no_prisoners6474]

@@gustavotonnelli the mother and the conceived, growing baby

[@OmniMale]

I have a good rule, think about the consequences and act responsibly.

[@jms9057]

And if the responsible choice is to terminate the pregnancy, then so be it.

[@breakhart]

with abortion now rule out, not gonna surprised if their women would start any pregnancy prevention earlier and perhaps fertility rate going down later

[@antoniostorcke]

Roe is going down.States will implement on the local level.

[@MmM20978]

Truth!

[@teresaamanfu7408]

Why?

[@antoniostorcke]

@@teresaamanfu7408 The decision was made based on inaccurate science. We now have a thorough understanding of when life begins.

[@ryanscottlogan8459]

Amen.Roe will fall because God wills it.

[@sambolimbo]

Sadly, I believe there will be states that will uphold the pro-choice law(s). There needs to be a push to educate people about methods to prevent unwanted pregnancy so that any person can avoid being put into this situation of having to make the terrible decision to abort their baby.

[@cainabel2009]

To think 50 years ago that single people could not use contraception is ridiculous and yet abortion was banned. Imagine the number of unwanted children and the disease that people would have had.

[@hoperules8874]

imagine the number of diseases and unwanted children that were prevented for fear of the natural consequences of a few moments of "fun"

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

@@hoperules8874 that only happens in a fictional world.

[@charvankerck9617]

There are condoms. Birth control pills . And abstinence. For years. That is CHOICE .

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

@@charvankerck9617 so you get to tell others what *they* can do?

[@charvankerck9617]

@@UnconventionalReasoning naw. Just suggesting alternatives that have been around for years . And work . Esp abstinence

[@jacobzaranyika9334]

It is very simple - STAY OUT OF OR BEDROOMS!

[@brianculham1180]

So the federal government kicks the decision back to each individual state. Can the people in each one of these individual states inform their congregational leaders of how they feel about it at a state level? If the people are not happy about their leadership can they just vote them out? Makes sense.

[@CBT5777]

Problem is that politicians (leadership) are corrupt. They only care about money. All of them. Profit at all costs is our culture here.

[@brianculham1180]

@@CBT5777 who's falt is that?

[@CBT5777]

@@brianculham1180 Watch some George Carlin. "The people that own us"

[@brianculham1180]

@@CBT5777 oh i agree.

[@HendrickAlbina]

I never thought that "the right to life" depends solely under the choice of women who never wanted responsibility. In the land of the free, the basic human right which is the human life isn't really free at all. There's no freedom in such an atrocious choice to not give the unborn human life the choice to live.

[@katenoke1571]

Born humans in the US have a right to life. 14th amendment

[@Anita.Cox.]

Lets ask the fetus, and lets also ask the mothers who died bc abortion wasnt legal and died during birth.

[@tylerlaw6514]

Here to educate myself because I have no idea what’s going on🫠

[@republicunited2183]

Good to be educated. Educate and use protection.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

Please watch more than just this video, this is from one of the most biased sources on this issue.

[@McFaddenWasRight]

@@UnconventionalReasoning facts cannot be bias. Fact is Roe was a fking liar.

[@McFaddenWasRight]

Don't listen to AM. An doesn't like inconvenient facts.

[@UnconventionalReasoning]

@@McFaddenWasRight Interesting that you're so confident in your evaluation of me.

[@eyesontheprize6637]

Why the background music. Very annoying.