WHO ARE THE 'BIG FOUR' OF POP-PUNK??

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

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[@therrshow3238]

BUZZCOCKS BADRELIGION VANDALS NOFX

[@bahlsakc9595]

Heh heh. I like Smash Mouth. They’re bigger than just All Star.

[@Itsdamnitjeremy]

I used to but I'm now permabanned from Instagram AND Facebook for making and running multiple Boogaloo groups and posting memes about commiting treason in the name of Liberty.

[@benakanecrophile2878]

Wait, you play guitar?

[@FPL_Frost]

Absolutely nailed this list.

[@Floating_Thoughts]

Another requirement could be: Did they make a music video playing in an empty pool?

[@nicolasa.3192]

Didn't Tiny Moving Parts make one in a full pool just to be different, it's so common?

[@FyrFytr998]

Luca's statement needs to be appreciated more.

[@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsm4708]

Ah yes. The empty pool. My absolute favorite pop punk trope

[@MrLense]

Don't forget that said pool should have skateboarders in it

[@Floating_Thoughts]

@@MrLense Also lots of people around them having a party

[@oneweirdlife913]

The way you described Green Day is a punk band that played “poppy” vs blink 182 was a pop band that played “punky” would probably be the easiest way for people to understand.

[@DelugeQuebec]

That was spot on man, seriously.

[@Skippyx]

Blink was not a pop band. No way. Dude ranch and Cheshire prove that

[@pantsnjacket381]

@@Skippyx exactly that

[@fevgatos]

@@Skippyx if you turn off the crazy distortion from these Blink182 records then you will realize Toms songwriting is pure pop music just like "What Went Wrong", "There is" etc while Green Day have a more rock n roll feel to their songwriting structures, singing etc either way, I choose Blink182 over Green Day any time any day.

[@beatshack]

But, that would make Blink 182 one of the top four Punk-Pop bands, as opposed to Pop-Punk :)

[@thunderstrike99]

So The Offspring are an awful band because of 'Pretty Fly', but Good Charlotte are 'great songwriters'. Oh come on

[@sam_rules76]

Lifestyles of the rich and famous was a dumpster fire. I loved GC until that came out.

[@sumspring4112]

Not only that, but also somehow Simple Plan are good? No.

[@jasonfalk4340]

Gone away gets me every time

[@thunderstrike99]

@@jasonfalk4340 the whole Ixnay on the Hombre is perfect

[@Даниил-ж2п4щ]

He is right though. I just looked once more at the lyrics of "The Young & the Hopeless" and i think every teenager can easily understand and relate to these songs and this is a good sign. Yeah there are no songs with some deep meanings and metaphors but that's not what their audience wanted. I like The Offspring too but it seems their lyrics were targeted at different groups. Some considered their high school a penitentiary, were against this world and didn't care and others just chilled with their friends and didn't want to get a job.

[@kitopher_1218]

As a Canadian, I have to disagree that Simple Plan are our version of Blink. I would argue that spot goes to Sum 41. Simple Plan would be our answer to Good Charlotte.

[@pantsnjacket381]

Exactly that.

[@SoulforSale]

Simple Plan was not a tight group of friends that created a band and made it big. They were constructed by marketing and music execs to copy NFG, Sum41 et al

[@TenguTalks]

@@SoulforSale Oddly it was through SP that I discovered RESET, going a step backwards.

[@martiniboy1811]

Facts. Sum 41 basically is a more metal Blink-182, Simple Plan is essentially a Family (Disney) channel band with little to no edge. I wonder who the big 4 Canadian Pop-Punk bands would be. Sum 41, Simple Plan, Billy Talent, and someone else would be my guess

[@SoulforSale]

@@martiniboy1811 Canada only gets three

[@DukeSilverSooner]

The offspring and Green Day’s roots are straight punk. They grew more pop punky as they aged. The hate towards the offspring is completely foul.

[@toddpacker4683]

@Craig Welfare their first 4 albums really

[@DabbaRanx]

Spot on!

[@halo2d]

The smash album....that’s all

[@cgg2621]

Everyone loves Smash and they have some other decent songs. But they did it to themselves by marketing themselves in such a way that they are now far more associated with heinous bullshit like Pretty Fly and Why Don't You Get a Job

[@scrambler350]

SMASH was the shit in 7th grade.

[@atlys258]

I'm totally cool with Sum 41 being recognized as one of the big 4, they were by far my favorite band from that whole scene. They made good on "Maiden and Priest were the gods that we praised" with the more metal sound of Does This Look Infected and Chuck.

[@spfadden082711]

I loved their heavier phase. They are probably one of my favorite bands

[@FelipeRodrigoX]

and 13 Voices, so awesome as fk album

[@Fel1xF7W]

RIP does this look infected sounded almost too processed but it's still a great album

[@poltergeistx]

Do people here agree that Sum 41's Chuck is an underrated album?

[@aleskdc3808]

It won a Juno award

[@poltergeistx]

@@aleskdc3808 good! But people hardly remember it I believe... They remember more their first two.

[@andrewwatson160]

Personally for me that was one of the first pop punk or even rock in general, bands I ever listened to because my dad is from the

[@maurice482390]

Half Hour of Power. Even though it's a demo it's quality to me is the reason why I call it an album,it has late 90s skater/punk/suburban vibe

[@closedaccount1963]

Yes

[@Interestingenough4]

By these rules, then I'd say Green Day would be the genre's Black Sabbath.

[@cfish9891]

Actually yes

[@dertbag611]

lol dude the ramones? the pixies? pop punk been around way before green day

[@cfish9891]

Ramones would be The Beatles of Pop Punk and Pixies would be the Led Zeppelin

[@TheJbhmetal]

Ramones would be Black Sabbath, Buzzcocks would be Led Zeppelin, Descendants would be Judas Priest, and Husker Du would be Iron Maiden. I am sure there's more.

[@kev_whatev]

@@cfish9891 This all tracks

[@atlasfontaine]

Surprised for The Offspring hate. Wasn’t “Pretty Fly For A White Guy” a jab at people trying to act like an urban gangster even though they were raised in gated communities? If my recollection on the meaning of the song is correct, I don’t see that as corny.

[@soulcrusher807]

They were so good up and including until Smash. Those early releases were great.

[@dontcomply3976]

Yes wiggers, can you say that in 2020?

[@PedroHenrique-mj1mn]

Regardless of the jab, the song is fucking dreadful

[@ahappyimago]

That song sucks, but The Offspring was an awesome band. Smash, Ixnay, Americana are legendary albums as good as it gets for the genre.

[@ollijokinen1571]

@@ahappyimago No love for the self titled and Ignition? I think they're both really good.

[@MaxwellKozen]

"Simple Plan, the Canadian version of Blink." Sum 41: "Wait, you just did us..."

[@drfunkburger3895]

🤣

[@donaldjenkins3081]

And avril is canadian too

[@yourkeel9012]

Sum-41 had plenty metal songs in every album (like grab the devil by the horns and fuck him) because the grew up listening to maiden etc and wanted to make their own sound of metal.So they sometimes play pop punk but also punk metal

[@prometheustv6558]

Except Sum 41 dipped their toes into metal after their first album, Simple Plan has been pop punk since they started

[@yourkeel9012]

@@prometheustv6558 well "does it hurt" and "fat lip" are both pretty pop punk and they always play both of the album in lives so they keep liking pop punk till now

[@natas.cancioncitas]

The dickie shorts and high socks argument crushing controversies jajajaja

[@tjsimpson6292]

Literally how I dressed in middle school and early high school. Lol

[@zavaughnkirkland5892]

Yo👐alternate opinion. Fall Out Boy is definitely the Metallica of the early 2000s pop punk scene. Their first 5 albums ruled the earth at the time. Both of the band’s modern day iterations alienated their OG fans.

[@natas.cancioncitas]

@@zavaughnkirkland5892 dunno bro, their bottoms are too skinny fitting. But yeah their songwriting is just legendary

[@christiankeesee]

Ouch! The Offspring are great, dude! Surely you've heard their other non goofy stuff.

[@Joe_Mutombo]

Simple Plan is the ultimate “I’m old enough not to always listen to the music my parents listen to” transition band

[@poisonxxxxangel]

Not in my case, my dad always played them in the car when All Killer, No Filler came out lol

[@ConnorCross]

@@poisonxxxxangel all killer no filler was Sum 41 dude...

[@kellinxx1003]

where is your pfp from?? its on the tip of my tongue.

[@Joe_Mutombo]

@@kellinxx1003 it’s Seth from Ned’s Declassified School Survival Guide

[@djdrack4681]

Having grown up with this (brother listened to it), while Green Day's Dookie was looked at as punk around the 98-2004, Simple Plan/Sum 41/ etc all were treated like the preteen 'pop-rock' that was just enough rock to not be classified more in the camp of pure pop like Backstreet Boys/NSync. The 90s punk look was copied by many, and influenced many more, just having the look doesn't really mean you're part of the group, lyrics/culture/timing(as in actually years)/etc all play a part. I'd say his assessment of the big 4 was pretty accurate. Shoot if Joey/Johnny Ramone had dressed like late 50s/early 60s beatles or even Rolling Stones they'd have been categorized more as the next 'edgy' power-pop band after The Who. Their songs were mostly, and decidedly high school aged directed lyrics about the kinda stuff teens worry about, and that is a big characteristic of any pop-esque genre. BUT Ramones went with the hard DIY aesthetic, torn jeans/jacket/ don't give a f%$^ attitude and bam they were the gatekeepers of 1st gen punk, no matter what ppl say about Buzzcocks/Sex Pistols/The Damned/The Clash, since Ramones were first . Just as other bands (like Siouxsie and the Banshees) started out pretty eclectic punk bands about the same time, there were other bands that existed pre-Ramones that'd shift their sound to what 'everybodies doing', and it can be said if they didn't then stick with that, that they were decidedly not 'punk'. Kinda the era of, and basis for subgenre classification: positive punk/post punk/goth rock would all emerge from the 'burning fast at both ends' approach that punk had: a takeaway is that many genres that 1st gen punk influenced tried to NOT follow on the 100% self-destructive/implode/become obsolescent issue that Ramones/Sex Pistols had; The Damned were the only ones of that group to 'escape' the cliches due in large to Vanians love of the night and pushing them to a more goth sound rather than New Rose/NeatNeatNeat style. These issues I'd argue were ignored moderately by Green Day/Offspring and co 90s punk, but the pop-punk bands took the knowledge of this pattern and realized that it was idiotic to not adapt more, which is what you see with them. I look at the era: just as Cobain/Nirvana affected almost all genres of music cuz almost everybody listened to him; the early Green Day spiked hair/liberty spikes and generally their whole look influenced not only skater culture and the emo/pop-punk (basically the styles could have been dressed in a Hot Topic in 2005), they also influenced the more mainstream pop genres as well as they helped to set an 'acceptable' image of what a badboy' might look like (when not the denim/leather jacket type). So while I'd say Green Day were pre-pop/punk as the late 90s/00s saw it, they are the proto-xxx version of it just as Bauhaus/The Cure/etc were the proto versions of goth rock.

[@cigiesandvtines]

I love how Bowling for Soup was excluded for "no dickies" when Punk Rock 101's chorus literally shouts them out!

[@Jacksabbath44]

not only that, they fall perfectly under the anthrax analogy being the outsiders (anthrax from nyc, bfs from texas) and the rest being from california

[@joeybatmania9327]

But look at the full line: “My Dickies, your sweatbands, my spiked hair, your new Vans.” BFS completely ignored the socks, so while they come close, they get stuffed at the 1-yard line as time expires

[@campbellsoup93]

@@Jacksabbath44 Pretty sure Sum 41 would be the better choice for that since they're ACTUAL outsiders you know, being from Canada and all.

[@Jacksabbath44]

@@campbellsoup93 great point but they're like Anihilator in that sense, but ridiculously more popular, and if you compare when they came up, Sum41 was the first on the last wave of those bands (and the only one musically interesting in that subgroup) ironically being so unique and evolved musically, every band after was way poppier, after them you had the Good Charlottes, Simple Plan, etc, to me the actual big bands were the ones that started in the mid to late 90s

[@sixoffcenter80]

Yeah hard disagree on leaving Bowling For Soup out of this list. Personally I'd knock Good Charlotte off the list since I lump them more in with Mall Emo. Maybe bump New Found Glory up to Slayer, and have Bowling For Soup as the Anthrax.

[@urbannomad8126]

The offspring have some of my favorite punk songs ever. Yes they would have one or two “comedy” songs on each album but to me Smash and even more, Ixnay and to some extent Americana are just great punk records. But they aren’t pop punk in the context that you are discussing... BUT they are nowhere near aweful. Just a weird perspective.

[@edwardfello6313]

Agreed. He's so wrong in his assessment of The Offspring.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Plus Finn called The Good Charlotte Brothers (I forgot their names) smart, but he forgot about how Dexter Holland literally has a degree in molecular biology

[@limegreenpatato]

Yeah just cause a band was popular doesn't make them pop punk. Like I wouldnt call green day pop punk either. Blink created that pop punk sound. Also agreed, offspring has so many sick songs

[@atvena]

I know right judging the offspring on just pretty fly for a white guy is the stupidest thing or is he genuinely saying come out and play is a joke song good grief I hope not

[@Knokkelman]

Yeah, I was soo close to stopping the video after that diss, damn, Smash is probably in my top 5 of alltime, allgenre favorite albums... But I guess I'm just too old for this list, didn't even know some of those bands, or could be I was purely listening to metal when they were a thing... I mean, good explanations for the picks, seems well thought through, but here's my first idea of how my list would've looked like: Green Day, Offspring, NOFX, Bad Religion Well, I probably need to watch more of those videos on how to differentiate the sub-genres, seems even more complicated than in metal...

[@PolkCountyWIProgressive]

Total Respect for Sum 41. They are really musically talented. There are a couple of videos of them cover Master of Puppets in entirety with leads.

[@Pedro-dn3sg]

"Fat Mike is annoying, but I kinda love him" I think that's exactly how Megadeth fans (maybe even Metallica fans) feel about Dave Mustaine.

[@runthemeows1197]

I feel like that's everyone's view of Fat Mike. To some extent himself as well. Lol

[@cantkillcliffrose]

NOFX is better than metallica and Megadeth. To bad their van blew up in 99 with Green Day. RIP

[@kingnothing5706]

Can confirm. I've been a Megadeth fan since 1990, and Dave has always been someone you love for his merits, and not his rhetoric. We forgive his oddities for his art. That used to be pretty common.

[@PhreakPhantom]

Came here to type the same thing.

[@karl_margs]

True and also applies to the rest of the band

[@kfcchicken5812]

Gonna have to stick my neck out for the offspring here. I’m by no means their biggest fan or even really listen to them anymore. HOWEVER I think you totally misunderstand them here.

[@stormscream2384]

He doesn't like them because they made fun of rap, and that is a big "no-no" today.

[@kfcchicken5812]

@@stormscream2384 sad. They’re a great band.

[@What-pr5yz]

Glad to see Sum 41 made it on the list. They aren't included as much in the conversation when it comes to pop punk. "Does this look infected?" and "Chuck" inspired me to take up guitar lessons. Good times.

[@yourkeel9012]

My favourite album is fat lip (and the song too) and the fact that they all sang together and they played their all instruments at the same time made me start playing drums.

[@mattjohnson7775]

Yo. Sum 41 is actually crazy multi- dimensional, which I think lends itself to there long and storied career. That's all. Rock on!

[@_DBPooper]

pain for pleasure is slept on as a thrash banger

[@murray1978]

Chuck is my favorite album of theirs.

[@Fleato]

Legit I hope pop punk makes a come back.

[@HessianHunter]

I was convinced Chuck was the future of rock music when I was in high school, haha

[@brandoesntsocialise]

When I watched them open for Motley Crue, my mind absolutely blown. They were insanely awesome! Haven’t listened to much of their newer stuff, but Chuck was an awesome album. Does This Look Infected is still a go to for me regularly.

[@SweetXNytmare]

I've got to be honest, I'm sad that Green Day and Simple Plan didn't make to this list. But I understand and respect the requirements/rules especially when you said: Green Day = punk band played “poppy” vs Blink-182 = pop band played “punky”. I may need to do a cover for both of them 🖤

[@charlesincheck]

I happen to love The Offspring. I will be sending a very sternly worded letter to my local representative.

[@maynardburger]

Be careful. Tell Ted Cruz about the song "All I Want" and he'd probably think it was a conservative anthem.

[@draxgoodall3685]

New found glory doesnt get enough credit for staying true to their roots.

[@kage6613]

For real, and even when they went mall pop on Coming Home it was actually good. They beat a ton of neon pop bands to the punch and did the sound better than them before most were even out of high school (cough all time low)

[@joshbarnes6759]

NFG is the most consistent band in all of pop punk and I will die on this hill

[@abhisheksawanthxc]

Neither does MxPx get enough credit. I mean, every pop punk band that came in late 90s and early 2000's was inspired by them. Seeing them get barely mentioned is a crime, man.

[@paulpangilinan6671]

@@joshbarnes6759 I would like to nominate BFS for that award.

[@solsteiner7241]

I saw a comment saying that green day is like the sabbath of pop-punk, which was met with lots of replies mentioning other bands. I’d say this: The ramones are the sabbath (founded the genres basics), The buzzcocks are deep purple, who made it radio friendly, and green day are Maiden, inspiring the wave of bands mentioned in the video by using said radio friendly sound

[@lunatikkrazieazylum6226]

Offspring is Judas Priest.

[@solsteiner7241]

@@lunatikkrazieazylum6226 true

[@PhreakPhantom]

The Offspring first 3 albums will always have a special place in my nostalgia.

[@nicholasadams81]

The Kids Aren't Alright is a whole ass vibe, an ode to the fuckers who don't make it.

[@daviddecker9136]

His take on The Offspring sounded like he never listened to Smash, far and away their best and most serious album.

[@TheJbhmetal]

@@daviddecker9136 tell me about it. One of the reasons why I lost respect for him.

[@bengreenbank]

I’m not a huge Offspring fan and no doubt they wrote some really dumb shitty songs in their (successful pursuit) of having a hit single but they’re a way better and more serious band than shit like Simple Plan and Good Charlotte.

[@graphix6529]

Ignition is a great punk album

[@markk6151]

"I'm just a kid" was literally exactly as you described when it was used in the Cheaper by the Dozen movie lmaoo

[@Danyu91]

was im just a kid used in Cheaper by the Dozen?? i thought it was In Too Deep by Sum 41

[@DoNotPassGO]

@@Danyu91 Both were used. I'm Just A Kid was used towards the beginning of the film when Steve Martin dropped off his kids to school and In Too Deep was used when the same kids got in a fight with Fred Durst's latte addicted left and right nuts.

[@Ortizsensei]

It was also trending on TikTok for a good mintue, which defintely affirms its appeal to younger audiences. Haha!

[@RollinBones]

And like 8000 other kids movies

[@ErinLuxe]

I always hated simple plan & loved good charlotte... to me back in 2003 they, simple plan seemed on the same level as Avril Lavigne. Like they were posers in the pop punk scene lol even though GC got lots of hate too sometimes

[@TannerPatrick]

Solid list. Would also give honorable mention to The Starting Line for having great, catchy songs and nailing the hair/dickies thing during the Say It Like You Mean It era

[@MrIke86]

Say It Like You Mean It is arguably one of the purest examples of pop-punk ever recorded. The structure, aesthetics, and timbre are all perfect. Mark Trombino absolutely nailed the production on that album.

[@easydexter]

Best of Me is probably the best pop punk song of all time.

[@alltimelowbro227]

The corp of bands from drive through records hit the nail of great pop punk bands my top 5 favorite bands 5-Fenix tx 4-The Early November 3-Hellogoodbye 2-The Starting Line 1-New Found Glory

[@jaredwaters4633]

@@alltimelowbro227 Yellowcard would be in my list.

[@gnarsisis]

Starting line is above almost all pop punk bands for how well each of them can write together. They have such cohesive, talented, and catchy music. They also are lyrically better than most f the other bands.They rule. forever.

[@mloyd64]

I'm so happy this channel exist. Someone has to ask the hard hitting questions

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

We report, you decide!

[@ErinLuxe]

Me too

[@jacobwilson7030]

Green Day is Iron Maiden to Blink-182’s Metallica

[@viet-tandoan9780]

I was about to said this. I add that offspring would be judas priest

[@kinski-we3eu]

@@viet-tandoan9780 great comparison ^^

[@AustinPowerz-bn5ry]

Epic fact.

[@Thickspouse]

Great take

[@tobiascore]

A better example to maiden would be the Buzzcocks. Hell, even the Ramones as far as pop-punk goes.

[@stanleymassett1623]

Finn, I’ve been bingeing your videos for a few days now, and MY GOD is it refreshing. You seem to be one of the most honest and genuine people on the internet right now. You tell it like it is. You know about everything from obscure bands all the way up to the mainstream pop culture references. You even admit when you don’t know a lot about certain genres like Indy rock. I was lead to your channel by someone posting your Dance Gavin Dance Video in the Swanposting group. You are a true gem and have made a BIG fan out of me. Keep up the good work man.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thank you!

[@dman3316]

How are The Offspring more corny than Good Charlotte? Madness

[@eclipse3580]

I'm not sure this dude has listened to anything by The Offspring other than Pretty Fly -- pretty ridiculous statement when you have 2020 popular "rock" artists making covers of The Offspring and getting radio play.

[@noodlebrains2689]

Yeah, making a few joke songs here and there don't mean they should be discredited as musicians flat out. This dude often completely misses the point of certain bands which is frustrating

[@dman3316]

The offsprings early albums had edge and aggression. Good Charlotte we’re always bubble gum pop punk from the start. They overdid the ‘bad boy’ look too, which always came off as fake and didn’t suit the music they were producing. The offspring never bothered with any of that and we’re just themselves. Again, if we’re using the Slayer analogy, they were never posers

[@daviddecker9136]

Saw Good Charlotte open up for Slick Shoes and MXPX at The Tabernacle in Atlanta in 2000. Even a crowd of friendly MXPX pop-punk fans were flipping off Good Charlotte and booed them off the stage.

[@manuelmendez6022]

@ldyson22 slowly going way of the buffalo is a stand out album for me. They had a great fast skate punk thing going but the singer now sounds much more high pitch and has a fake pop punk vibe.

[@augustobriceno2405]

You should definitely make a BIG 4 GENRE series.

[@SoundAsleepSpace]

Metalcore Nu metal Hard rock / light metal

[@undeadknight01]

@@SoundAsleepSpace lol Light Metal

[@undeadknight01]

Big 4 of Nu Metal: Slipknot Korn Limp Bizkit Disturbed (Started off Nu Metal, became Hard Rock?) System of a Down Deftones Mudvayne Static X Mushroomhead P.O.D. Coal Chamber

[@EvilSouxie]

Rock Punk Metal Rap or pop Easy

[@malcolm9996]

@@undeadknight01 Considering Finn's criteria, the Big Four of Nu Metal isn't what a lot of people would expect. By my assessment, the list would be this: Korn: first band to actualize the sound/look, put the genre on the map in the mainstream and bring people into it - the proverbial "leader" 😏😏 Limp Bizkit: obnoxious, reminiscent of band #1, but wildly popular; pioneered the DJ/rapping aspect of the genre Coal Chamber: the consummate nu metal band in terms of look/sound, pioneered the goth/industrial/freak aesthetic Sevendust: moderately popular but VERY influential to the radio rock-driven sector of the genre (see: Godsmack, Staind, Disturbed, Papa Roach, etc.) They were all a part of the genre's development in the mid to late 90s, and benefitted from its popularity in the late 90s/early 2000s. Other commonalities include baggy clothes, dyed and/or spiked hair, braids, dreadlocks, tattoos, piercings, face/body paint, songs on movie/TV/video game soundtracks, and at least one Ozzfest appearance.

[@nicolasgodin51]

I think The Offspring is a great band (Smash is an amazing album), but the primary reason I wouldn't put them in the Big four of Pop punk is because they lean too more in the Skate punk genre imo

[@atvena]

Exactly

[@RisingSun96]

True, honestly Smash is a pretty heavy album with a lot of metal influence, definitely less poppy than NOFX for example, imo

[@Pierre590]

I’m pretty sure Cheaper By The Dozen has a montage just like you described with “I’m Just a Kid” playing

[@charleserickson4489]

There's also an In Too Deep montage lol

[@brittanybutlermusic]

@@charleserickson4489 The In Too Deep bit ends with a bully kid shouting "MY LATTE!" which might be one of my favorite lines in anything ever.

[@charleserickson4489]

Brittany Butler facts😂

[@Pierre590]

Brittany Butler I think about that line at least twice a year lmao

[@Ghoste616]

I discovered Simple Plan because of that movie :D

[@nickudeschini4812]

The other thing about Simple Plan. Even mall punk kids hated them. Their audience skewed waaaay younger

[@MrDirtysnowball]

I love this take! I don’t understand why Green Day gets brought up in the “pop punk conversation” they informed the genre definitely, but if Green Day and The offspring are “pop punk” then we need to include Bad religion, 7 seconds, All, rocket from the crypt,and Rancid.

[@jacdixie]

I would also just like to shout out the Offspring's "Meaning of Life" and "All I Want" from Ixnay on the Hombre. Two classics from the years I was introduced to punk. I will forever miss being young and excited in the 90s.

[@charliet.sanford2495]

Putting All I Want on in the car was a sure fire way to make me drive too fast when I was in high school.

[@DabbaRanx]

And those songs are more representative of the majority of music The Offspring record than the singles they release, which quite often stick out as catchy pop songs on an album of was is essentially very safe skate-punk

[@knstormshadow]

The kids aren't alright is a classic. And honestly I'm a big fan of rise and fall, rage and grace

[@brianlogsdon4824]

Bad Habit was my jam in high school, perfect road rage song

[@brianlogsdon4824]

Real punk was 1977-97

[@KoiYokan]

Still like how simple plan made the song addicted just for the word "dick" to be on mtv lol

[@bruceismyhero]

Are you thinking of Lit?

[@bleachdragon88]

@@bruceismyhero No he’s not. That’s a Simple Plan song. Addicted. I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of Miserable by Lit.

[@bruceismyhero]

Good point

[@tjsimpson6292]

Right. And now the music today makes that look like nothing. Simpler times back then.

[@MarrowEternal]

Probably their best song. SP is a guilty pleasure

[@ErinLuxe]

I saw “GC” in the thumbnail & never clicked something so fast in my life hahahahha I haven’t even started the video yet

[@_ericc.]

Sum 41 is criminally underrated. I went through a HUGE phase with them in 2011. Does This Look Infected is seriously one of the best pop punk albums of all time. It’s edgy, but in a good way.

[@TSchnizzle0703]

Hey man don’t do The Offspring like that

[@dontcomply3976]

Yeah, pretty fly is surely a lame song. But very unfair to judge their whole discography on that.

[@chicken2nite351]

@@dontcomply3976 now I'm struggling to think what the metal equivalent to that song would be... A year ago I saw Sum 41 open for The Offspring on their Canadian tour and both bands were great.

[@kev_whatev]

@@chicken2nite351 Is Americana the pop punk Black Album? Or even pop punk Load?

[@mediaapexproduction5245]

@@dontcomply3976 Yeah i agree, Offspring had great albums before Americana, like great albums.

[@stevenwood6939]

Alkaline Trio has always been the “dark side” of Blink 182.

[@Venomx-nb1jr]

Vertical horizon and third eye blind also make this list. To a lesser extent Eve 6.

[@thepixelglitched]

And as the future would have it for Matt Skiba...

[@tpags7398]

AK3 is preferable to Blink for me in most cases but they aren’t as fun

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Nobody would ever say that if Matt Skiba hadn´t joined Blink

[@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan]

Green Day would never use fart jokes. Made a record named ´dookie´

[@thomasuniat2939]

I'm pretty sure to be officially pop-punk you need to feature a skate park and a highschool in your video. Bonus points if you can pull off both in the same video.

[@BcBaxley]

The pop punk era...When skateboards where an "accessory" people carried around so they had a place to sit.

[@brrrdman]

I've never actually met anyone who liked Simple Plan who wasn't a 13 year old girl in 2005..

[@NoName-iw1kj]

Oh no. I love you Finn but you calling Offspring corny is so disrespectful. How dare you

[@TheJbhmetal]

That's why he sucks

[@DudeGuyBroGuy]

AGREEED!!!

[@andrewwatson160]

I usually agree with him but he put good Charlotte up and not the offspring idk seems a little sus to me

[@SoulforSale]

You know you can always go on Riki Lake

[@snooginsivmf]

For real

[@gotrigboy32]

Simple Plan were really good at keeping a squeaky clean image with their less edgy music and charity work for years. They're scumbags irl, though. All their former big fans know this. Also, SUM 41 is so much more diverse than bands like blink, but their limited catalog of pop punk was and is still so influential and that makes them deserving to be on the list imo. Personally, I would say GD, S41, B182, and GC. But your listing it like the big 4 of metal and the justifications were really cool and interesting. I'm always pleasantly surprised by your videos, because they are not usually negative or watered down takes. You know what you're talking about and put a lot of thought into the videos. I appreciate that a lot and that's why I always come back to watch.

[@henrydrummond5902]

What happened to Simple Plan? I don't like them for the record, but what did they do?

[@jason4275]

As soon as you said Slayer I immediately said Good Charlette, before it was said on the video, I was thinking simple plan but Simple plan was not popular enough, they have just one mainstream song, while Good Charlette had at least 3 hits.

[@davidharris8688]

I'm Just a Kid, I'd Do Anything, and Addicted were all mainstream songs that charted on the Billboard Pop Charts.

[@lunatikkrazieazylum6226]

They had a couple hits. Good Charlotte were definitely more popular tho.

[@johnkoch9315]

This is really diplomatic. I was totally expecting to be “educated” about how Descendents, blink, A Day To Remember, and Lil Peep ARE the big 4 of pop punk. 💕

[@mike04574]

totally not lil peep

[@brodiecalvert8149]

Lil peep 😂

[@golden_boundaries]

Wtf are you smoking?

[@johnkoch9315]

Clearly I have failed the joke I was trying to make by putting in an emo rapper but not knowing many of its debatable big 4 artists. I considered Ariana Grande for Finn and at the last second aired on the side of something that still has something to do with rock music, kind of.

[@aixide]

@@johnkoch9315 People just don't have a sense of humor, that was an obvious joke

[@JoeyVilleneuve]

Really happy I guessed Simple Plan and GC before you got to them...but "Canadians are too nice, they can't be edgy no matter how hard they try"...have you been to a hockey game? lol EDIT - I pretty much completely agree with the whole list. Despite what I wrote up there^, I agree that Simple Plan isn't part of the the big 4. I mean, if it weren't for TikTok and "i'm just a kid" being used as a trend this year, we'd pretty much have forgotten about them.

[@calebmckinney1442]

Weirdly enough New Found Glory is what got me interested in pop punk coming from the hardcore scene

[@ItsAllAboutGuitar]

I don't see how Simple Plan I'm Just a Kid can be not bad and The Offspring are awful because of one shitty song??? Simple Plan is god awful in every way.

[@omarsullivan5166]

You gotta include Scotty Doesn't Know from Eurotrip in your pop punk from 2000s teen movies video

[@franciscodiaz3028]

Great movie!!! Wait... this isnt where I parked my car...

[@meghanbeverly837]

Holy shit, yes!!!

[@JasonTzzz]

A Tier (3+ Pop Radio Hits) Blink 182, Sum 41, Good Charlotte, New Found Glory B Tier (1-2 Pop Radio Hits) Simple Plan, Bowling For Soup Lit, Sugarcult C Tier (3+ Rock Radio Hits) MxPx, SR-71, Fenix TX, Unwritten Law, The Ataris, Alien Ant Farm D Tier (1-2 Rock Radio Hits) Relient K, Mest, Zebrahead, The Starting Line, Bodyjar, Home Grown, Midtown, Gob, Allister, Rufio, The Movielife E Tier (0 Rock radio hits, record deal in place) Count The Stars, The Exfloyded, The Riddlin' Kids, The F-Ups, Never Heard of it, Slick Shoes, etc. F Tier (any unsigned local band)

[@martyfrontczak829]

Great list! Pretty spot on. Mest/the starting line should be higher up, same with Relient K, but basing off singles, I have to agree with you

[@JasonTzzz]

Thanks! Gotta agree Relient K, Mest, & Starting Line should move up a tier if you factor in album sales/ longevity. Radio hits is no longer a metric to measure an artists success. Number of Spotify streams or Billboard chart appearences really would be how to decipher todays A-F tier artists. I love Finn's videos but for brevity sake he cannot mention every single artist in that scene/ genre history and rankings based on commercial success. That is why I compiled a list.

[@ericojeda3364]

Sum actually did a live Metallica set, and actually pulled it off really good!

[@ryanlarson2692]

Very talented and somewhat underrated band.

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

NFG are the first band to enter my head when i hear "pop punk." How Chad Gilbert is the same dude screaming on Shai Hulud's debut is still amazing to me. But, damned if "Hearts Once Nourished..." isn't a killer album.

[@hectormonasterios1417]

The Offspring awful but Good Charlotte and Simple Plan great? Really? I mean, really? Everything was ok until that part. The Offspring has a better content in their lyrics, yes, they have funny songs like "Pretty Fly" or "Walla Walla", but they also have songs that talk about about more mature and interesting subjects, "Ignition", "Smash" and "Ixnay" are amazing records, even their first album is pretty cool

[@LivanDon]

thas right. Offspring is great and should be big 4

[@egoish6762]

I think offspring are a better band, but the first reason he gave is valid. They were an earlier age.

[@morganmorrison8463]

Soo If we translate it to grunge: 1. Nirvana - the most popular and mainstream 2. Pearl Jam - also popular, but nothing like Nirvana 3. Soundagrden - the most representative, definition of grunge 4. Alice in Chains - also doing well but underrated

[@wastelandmungo9299]

Do Stone Temple Pilots get a spot/mention? I would replace Soundgarden with STP at #3. Soundgarden I don’t think they had the same level of popularity as STP or AIC. Damn. Re-read what I just wrote and now I’m genuinely wondering about what order comes after Pearl Jam. This is actually a tough one lol

[@morganmorrison8463]

@@wastelandmungo9299 Actually this bands are called the great 4 from seattle, stone temple pilots aren't included. I don't know how it was in 90's but today they aren't very popular. And, to be honest STP, thought they are amazing, were basically just copying Pearl Jam

[@wastelandmungo9299]

@@morganmorrison8463 , It’s been quite a few years obviously lol, so I totally forgot that STP wasn’t from Seattle. Now that I’m thinking about it I remember when STP’s first album came out they were considered by many people to be a grunge band. In fact, some music critics specifically said they were attempting to copy grunge. I loved STP, but so many bands in that era (including STP) had a grunge like sound to them, so it’s kind of a fair criticism. I agree that not being from Seattle is a disqualification, so it’s definitely the four bands you mentioned. I do think that 3 and 4 is a toss up between AIC and Soundgarden. I disagree with you about STP sounding anything like Pearl Jam, though. STP had a much heavier sound. If anything, I would compare them to AIC. And thank you for the correspondence! This was a nice trip down memory lane for me! I’m 47, and turned 18 in 91. 91-99 were pure magic for me in regards to the music!

[@morganmorrison8463]

@@wastelandmungo9299 I just meant that STPs singer was trying to sound and look like Eddie Vedder. But to be honest I have never listened to STP a lot, so I bet you might be right. And, after all, I have never be part of this whole grunge era or any other rock movement. I turned 18 just 3 years ago, so even emo kids are something like childhood memories to me.

[@wastelandmungo9299]

@@morganmorrison8463 , oh I get what you’re saying about the vocal style. In fact many singers in that era had similar approaches. Almost crooner like in delivery with their own particular twist. Looks wise, I would compare the singers of STP and AIC. Eddie Vedder had longer hair than both of them for a long time before he cut it. The singers of STP and AIC had shorter hair. As far as popular appeal after the 90’s, you are correct in saying STP fell off. Really so did most bands of the era. I will say that like any bands or artists that defined any genre of music, you will still find dedicated fans years after their peak.

[@insulartomb]

"yes i am splitting hairs here about 2000s alternative mall culture, but that's what i'm here for right?!" 😂 HELL YES IT IS

[@XenojinX]

The big four: Bad religion, NOFX, Descendants, Pennywise. That’s the list

[@DustinHallXVX]

The sheet amount of NFG shirts at bay area HC shows in the mid 00's was alarming

[@dcfromthev]

Yeah they were big with hc kids, Chad Gilbert being the main connection. Shai Hulud was dope.

[@Danielfucks69]

They spawned Set Your Goals too

[@jason4275]

_I grew up in the 90's and never view Green Day As a Pop Band, they have always been a punk band to me, Blink was more of a fashion pop band, that play music that kind of sound like punk, but their lyrics has always been Pop._

[@shaykitoffe6411]

5:45.... Blink-182 started off as pretty much a punk band before Enema of The State put them on the map.

[@boo2192]

“ Does This Look Infected” is in my top 5 pop punk albums

[@anyal1987]

Aww man. Killed me with the Offspring comment lol. I would feel the same if everyone didn't focus on Americana, and instead paid attention to albums like Smash and Ixnay, which makes me believe they'd be the Slayer of the pop punk big four. And I nailed the other three. Great video!!

[@andrewscanzano4846]

Ignition was a great album

[@atvena]

Offspring makes the skate punk big 4

[@ErinLuxe]

I AM SO HAPPY GOOD CHARLOTTE BEAT SIMPLE PLAN. I would have been so confused otherwise hahah

[@bentolar2687]

Was about to start angry typing in defense of the offspring and then you brought pretty fly. Ill sit back down now.

[@michaelpipkin9942]

I got a ride to school from this guy everyday and he would BLAST IT. everyday

[@mattthatch8662]

Bro seriously I was like "HOW DARE Y- Oh yeah no that's fair"

[@CathodeRey]

@Luke hey come on, Americana is atleast half good, just half REAL bad. that album art is pretty cool though too

[@thunderstrike99]

But then he broughts up Good Charlotte...

[@theomacie6480]

I came here to basically type your exact comment.

[@doobofbattle9472]

Offspring got me into music like 12 years ago so they have a special place in me heart

[@mildred714]

they say the same about you

[@andyveenstra773]

I will disagree that Simple Plan is the Canadian Blink-182, because Sum41 is the Canadian Blink-182.

[@derhak727]

Two points - i feel old now since you kept referring to The Offspring and Green Day as “older sound” and my daughter actually did get mad at me for calling her a “sceney-weeny” and not emo lol

[@mopes2713]

MxPx is probably one of the most underrated pop punk/skate punk bands of all time. They were present at the very beginning with Green Day and the Offspring, but they were just that band in the background that everyone heard and respected but never took seriously as one of the all time greats.

[@DavidJones-jg7zq]

Drove to Chicago to see them for my birthday last yr....1st MxPx show in 20 yrs....they still rawk

[@asgerhyer5325]

I just love hearing you explain one of my favorite genres :) Even though i love rock/metal/heavy and so on, there are lots of bands i´ve never heard of and its cool to see you explain about their popularity and history

[@reedsims5407]

Alright now for the 2010's pop punk revival big four. 1.The Wonder Years 2. The Story So Far 3. Neck Deep 4. ???

[@bobbyp8009]

Real Friends

[@BrianAddison94]

Four Year Strong

[@knucklepuck7263]

Knuckle Puck?

[@SignedAndDelivered]

State Champs

[@lunatikkrazieazylum6226]

I'd switch Good Charlotte and Sum 41 around. Sum 41 is definitely the Slayer because they're the heaviest of the big 4, while also feeling like the most "pure" example of a pop punk band. The Offspring have some really great songs too. I think judging Offspring by "Pretty Fly For A White Guy" is unfair. But other than that I agree with this list. Green Day is more on the punk rock side of the spectrum than the pop punk side of the spectrum. Fall Out Boy I agree is a different era. Avril Lavigne has some catchy tunes (and she's an absolute stunner) but she's more pop rock than anything. And thank GOD you left Simple Plan out. I always thought they were like a band for elementary school children, whereas Good Charlotte targeted more of a teen audience, which is why their music has aged better than Simple Plan's, even though I'm not the biggest GC fan either.

[@Luissv72]

Haven't seen this: Green Day (Metallica) Blink 182 (Slayer) Sum 41 (Megadeth) The Story So Far (Anthrax)

[@reachthroughreality]

2:13 I feel straight called out. I'm a skater that never learned how to skate lmao. Everyone always thought I was a "skater kid" in school but I could barely even stand on a board until I was 28.

[@G-TV_TheOneManArmy]

The Big 4 of grunge music is nirvana, pearl jam, soundgarden, and Alice in chains

[@peterpetrarca4691]

Amen

[@racynot]

Hot take

[@KarlOsuchowski]

BREAKING NEWS.

[@AshamedOfNothing]

Punk/grunge - Nirvana Blues/grunge - Pearl Jam Hard rock/grunge - Soundgarden Metal/grunge - Alice in Chains

[@GrandMasterPeep]

Lane is the GOAT

[@TomMcMorrow]

Still Not Getting Any from Simple Plan came out when I was in high school and I loved it. Still listen to them daily in my 30's. Was surprised to hear some of their new stuff (PS: I Hate You, Nostalgic, Jet Lagged) still slapped just as hard as their 04 album. Nice.

[@deepvoicedude4749]

You should do a "Big 4" for other genres. Big Four of Mid 2000s Mall Emo has to be FoB, MCR, Panic, and Paramore

[@kaoskryst]

I am SO happy Good Charlotte is on this list haha. Good Charlotte is what got me into dressing in all black and converse back in middle school. Now I'm in my late twenties and it has not changed hahaha. A lot of people hate them for it, but if you come from a rough family past, some songs are definitely relatable. They're like my Avril Lavigne to the girls you mentioned as a gateway to other things lol.

[@BadReligi0nFan69]

Bruh. Listen to Ixnay on the Hombre and Smash. Both those records are absolute bangers. Plus, Dexter is a part of the trio with Greg Graffin and Milo Auckerman for the Biology trio with Greg and Evolutionary biology, Milo Auckerman with Microbiology, and Dexter with Molecular biology. But I agree with Pretty Fly For a White Guy LOL

[@henrydrummond5902]

Dexter also has a line of hot sauces. They're pretty tasty.

[@sailorice02]

Good Charlotte got top 3 lol I’m proud and I really like this list. Including the side mentions like Avril Green Day and Simple plan. Great commentary overall

[@DavidisSleeping]

At first I was like, “Good Charlotte is on this list!?” Then listened to most of their discography over the next couple hours just to realize that I hated things for silly reasons (like image) when I was young, and GC is actually solid as hell.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Their songs are 10/10

[@acekiannovelasco6418]

story of my old man

[@ErinLuxe]

I think people forget how HUUUUUUGE Good Charlotte was during like 2002-04. Like HUGE-HUGE. I think they won the biggest award you can get at the VMA’s the same year Britney kissed Madonna like during MTV’s primeeee.. they won like the overall viewers choice award which combined every single music genre ever & it was just like basically the “best music over all the entire music industry as a whole for this year of mtv” award. Lol 😆 I still love good charlotte

[@ErinLuxe]

& now Lionel Richie is Joel Maddens father in law lol wtf ...family full of music geniuses right here

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Exactly

[@ErinLuxe]

@@ThePunkRockMBA I just told my husband that you replied to one of my comments & we both just fan girled lmao 😱💖💕 we watch your channel all the time together!

[@bonnevillebagger9147]

They were backed by the music industry. They weren’t embraced by any listeners.

[@ErinLuxe]

@@bonnevillebagger9147 good charlotte wasn’t embraced by listeners..?? Uh the Viewers Choice Award is the ONLY VMA award where the VIEWERS decide who wins, not a corporation. You make zero sense.. lol.

[@jesseedmondson2861]

Punks didn’t consider Avril Levine to be pop punk, but a lot of normies did.

[@rayxiv974]

Every guy when NFG is brought up, "you know Chad Gilbert was in Shai Hulud" *goes into a lecture about early metalcore*

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

🤢

[@rayxiv974]

@@ThePunkRockMBA 🤣

[@blahblahblah2243]

"did you know he was only 16 when he did the vocal for Hearts Once Nourished With Hope and Compassion".... 🤣🤣🤣 real talk tho the funniest part is they were much better after chad left haha

[@ohalistair]

@@blahblahblah2243 Their best record is the one they did when Chad came back.

[@rayxiv974]

@@blahblahblah2243 totally agree. My top #1 for Shai Hulud will always be Misanthropy Pure.

[@modernaudioworks]

@punkrockmba WHAT POP PUNK BANDS DO YOU SEE SPORTING GLARRY SIX STRINGS???

[@DanielMartinez-zj1fv]

Loved this one. Great differentiating between certain aspects of emo and pop-punk etc. I was a big lover of GC when they arrived (being preteen and no dad). Also, it made me think about NUFAN and how they helped bridge the gap between generations of pop-punk and how More Betterness was a gateway to non-radio music and my current music taste.

[@Gnarwolf]

Idk how anyone could call Sum 42 a blink rip off , NONE of their songs sound like blink . PS thanks for giving Sum a shoutout. Canadian Punk Rock at it’s finest. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

[@broolkeez]

The Offspring being “The Macklemore of Punk” is so fitting. You hit the nail on the head. 😂😂😂😂

[@aaronfulton4826]

“Hope she didn’t have a huge drug meltdown like other 2000 celebrities” -suggested Bam video- nice segway haha.

[@jimsty5222]

Lmao 🤣

[@TheAwGooner]

I’m Just A Kid is actually in Cheaper By The Dozen lmaooo

[@nachoalvarez7171]

8:26 what performance was this?

[@issaacxxx6202]

To me the "big four" of any genre is the first four bands that come to kind when you think of the genre. Most people would think of Green Day, Blink 182, Sum 41, and New Found Glory. (In my opinion.)

[@acekiannovelasco6418]

yeah I think so too

[@doomusrlc]

8:12 While I like your takes most of the time, kind of shitty ripping on Offspring for one song (and really only 3-5 songs of their whole catalog) when it wasn't even their biggest album. Yes, "Pretty Fly", "Why Don't You Get a Job", "Original Prankster" and a number of songs from Splinter are shit songs, but again attacking the band as a whole for just those songs compared to the whole career is sort of a shit move

[@benallen795]

Hey Finn big fan of the channel so I figured ide share this funny tidbit of information With everyone. I heard you mention Coalesce a few times in your videos and I found it pretty funny a couple years ago I was told by my grandma that their singer is actually married into my family. I met him at a Fourth of July event at another family members house and he was a really cool dude who is now kinda just living a normal life with his wife and two girls who ironically were wearing Coalesce shirts which I found amusing Also In our conversation he asked my favorite band and I told him “Motionless in White” but he had no clue who they were lol Anyway thanks for the videos and keep up the good work

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Sean? Good guy!

[@benallen795]

@@ThePunkRockMBA Yeah lol I only met him the one time and we never exchanged info which I regret a bit but he seemed really chill and it was pretty funny seeing his picture on my grandmas fridge.

[@vcepelin]

Thanks for reminding me of Good Charlotte I freaking loved that band.

[@Rizz3n]

Bowling For Soup have been around for years, yet people barely speak about them when talking about the iconic pop punk bands. Always wondered about that.

[@Dannymeinz]

The lead singer is the voice of Chuck E Cheese. Do with that info what you wish.

[@juliancornejo1402]

They are dope met them back in 2012 at an El Paso Tattoo Convention

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

And they sang the phineas and ferb theme song

[@henrydrummond5902]

They’re kinda like Simple Plan in that they’re more of a novelty band than anything.

[@lunatikkrazieazylum6226]

@@henrydrummond5902 They are better than Simple Plan.

[@Lurklluciano]

Dude I was so obsessed in pop punk!!! I used to see it as "American cool college rock" hahaha I had a couple of cover bands that I used to play Blink182, Sum41, Good Charlotte, Simple Plan songs... It heavily influenced me into music :')