THE EVOLUTION OF DOWNTUNED GUITARS: Black Sabbath to A Day To Remember

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

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[@duanemartin4958]

Can you do a video on Type0Negative or Fear Factory? I think these bands need some respect 👍 Love your channel, sorry for the long message.

[@dopocc]

Advertising Men's skin care products on downtuned metal guitars video is crazy to me

[@tnkenney]

You’ve become an Alpha

[@whoohaaXL]

Wait, Finn.... You play? I kind of figured you did. Do a play along video with one of your favorite songs man 🤘😈🤘!

[@jonathangomez5176]

Do a video about power metal please

[@frederickhersom9164]

As a friend of mine once observed: "For better or worse before Korn came around nothing sounded like Korn. Until Korn came around, and then everything sounded like Korn."

[@crazydud3380]

I don't if everything sounded like them, but everything was influenced by them.

[@PunkIsDead...LikeMe]

I remember, reading an interview, I think, in Guitar World magazine, and Korn said they were influenced by Morbid Angel's sound - they just gave the rhythms a little "bounce." Then, after Korn, everyone was doing that.

[@damienhelmold6978]

Realms of chaos bolt thrower is in the same tuning years before

[@mistercheetah9717]

I think anyone who says that needs to put on Streetcleaner and shut up.

[@raidermaxx2324]

just like i remember exactly where i was and what i was doing when the towers fell on 9\11, the same can be said for when I heard "Blind" by Korn on the radio for the first time

[@RudolfHorvath]

From a completely different point of view, I also think downtuning helped a lot of singers to stand out. Most male singers are in fact baritones and it allowed them to sing in a range where their voice feels more powerful without getting drowned by the music.

[@Kevin-uz6sv]

Type O Negative being a fine example

[@johnnysays9629]

THANK YOU

[@RudolfHorvath]

​@@Kevin-uz6sv Even though the point still stands and I am sorry to correct you, but Peter Steele was a bass which is even lower than baritone.

[@juanjoyaborja.3054]

I am sure singers like Chris Barnes was helped quite a lot by drop tuning.

[@Bullheadrecords]

@@RudolfHorvath it’s why all type o negative songs are so down tuned. I usually play in c standard, I had to tune all the way down to b standard for playing typo o songs

[@Crowbar11115]

"We tuned to B because it sounded Doomier and Heavier...it had nothing to do with my Vocal Range"- Peter Steele, Type O Negative

[@mr.onethirtyeight5088]

I don’t believe that. When your voice is like that you accentuate that bad mofo.

[@freeparking301]

My all time favorite band. It’s amazing how many songs of their’s has Pete’s distorted B tuned bass carrying the rhythm while Kenny is doing fills or leads. Also keep your ears open every time there’s a clean guitar, it’s always a standard tuned 12 string or processed to sound that way. You’d think with the existence of the seven string guitar and the five string bass they would just adopt those over baritone tuning their 6 string guitars and four string bass but nope and I love them for it!

[@KP-vy9ro]

Why isn't anyone mentioning Discharge?

[@KP-vy9ro]

Or every other D-beat bands. too obscure?

[@XFC856]

A few tuning facts I’d like to add: - Meshuggah’s Fredrik got his 7-string in 1991, and used it in a few places on Contradictions Collapse - in Bb - Devin Townsend used a 6-string tuned to Open A5 (AAAEAE) with a low A on his Strapping Young Lad 1995 debut, on the songs Goat and The Filler - Sweet City Jesus. And if you take it into consideration, he wrote these songs in 1992/1993. - Following the previous one, on the same album there is the song Cod Metal King, which seems to be in 6-string Drop D.. a full octave down - however, that may very well be a pitch-shifter in this case. - Slipknot tuned all the way down to F# (F#F#BEG#C#) on their 6-strings on Scissors, on their debut album (1999). - And then, just to be clear, Meshuggah played their 2002 Nothing album on 7-strings, because their custom 8-strings weren’t ready yet (later re-recorded in 2006). On this album, not only did they tune down to F and E for most songs, Nebulous was tuned down to Eb, and Spasm even down to Bb (an octave below the 7-string half-step down Bb). - And then finally, if you count it, on their 2005 Catch ThirtyThree, the section Mind’s Mirrors features an E0.. aka, 2 octaves below standard E, and actually the lowest note (just around 20hz) we as humans can theoretically still perceive as pitch (before we perceive it as a rhythm).

[@mattsonrobbins281]

I always wondered what the fuck that even was in Mind's Mirror's lol. Now I know, thanks!

[@astolfo3656]

Hell yeah! Strapping Young Lad should be more popular.

[@homergump3]

Scissors was in F#?!?!?

[@raidermaxx2324]

meshugga would have been much more appreciated here in the States if they slowed their shit down just a bit.. we are more sludgy like crowbar.. meshugga is just the new Doom soundtrack with vocals

[@1norwood1]

Bolt Thrower tuned to A in the 80's. There's an interview with Jo Bench where she talks about it, "No bassist should have to record at that pitch ever, the strings were like spaghetti..." Their later stuff is in C#.

[@selmics]

Crowbar, one of the most criminally underrated bands ever have been tuning to B on 6 strings way back before it was a common thing to do. Great video \m/

[@jasonking454]

Tune low, play slow. Crowbar 4 life!

[@selmics]

@@jasonking454 None Heavier

[@jakeybball]

Came here to see if someone mentioned this. Kirk is the greatest riff writer in history!!

[@raidermaxx2324]

Crowbar is my jam.

[@clayyytonnn153]

\\\AcidbatH///

[@n0ctem845]

Finn: "it made them sound heavy and evil" Black Sabbath: * wearing pastels in front of a rainbow backdrop *

[@parrata]

it... it was a different time.

[@ericmoody3944]

They were still more badass than half of the "metal" groups today.....

[@ryanmichelz94]

@@ericmoody3944 *more badass than all

[@tyr4489]

they were hippies, man. they just happened to be brummies who wanted to make music that sounded like the heavy industry factories they lived and worked in

[@md244-w6v]

@@tyr4489 they weren't fucking hippies at all they made darker themed songs because unlike all the love and peace shit going on in the USA, they lived in Birmingham with shitty lives for the most part and were almost destined to end up in small paying labour jobs, tony wanted to be a fucking bouncer at one point.

[@nickl7142]

Jerry Cantrell utilizes Drop C# really well, We Die Young, Them Bones, and Dam that River come to mind. Those songs have some pretty damn heavy riffs.

[@Meshuggapeth]

Bizkit

[@Cx_Howlett]

Them bones riff is so chuggy. It's great

[@SxSxG666]

@@Cx_Howlett Check out the Grave cover :)

[@robwalsh9843]

Jerry was every bit an influential metal guitarist in the 90's just as Dimebag or Chuck Schuldiner was. I knew a lot of people back then who were chasing his tone.

[@mr.onethirtyeight5088]

Alice In Chains really is quite the amazing band

[@BaenaCarcosa]

I have been summoned

[@corontsurara3862]

Quick! Where's my pokeball! Gotta catchem all!

[@NikNocturnal]

Loved this video!

[@nighthawk9532]

What’s your thoughts on Drop B 1? 😂

[@Pigman22769]

Like your videos. Just noticed I wasn’t subscribed to ya. Keep up the good work

[@RowdyYates12]

You get around don't you 🤣

[@приветмир-к5х]

:o

[@TheRealMattFromWiiSports]

@@nighthawk9532 so regular drop b? Do you mean b0?

[@matthewniederberger9367]

Dillinger Escape Plans Calculating Infinity is probably one of the heaviest albums in standard E

[@stepthrough6169]

Probably? It easily was

[@HarptoHeart69]

Yesss!!

[@eatsleepdie8808]

Ire Works is up there too

[@vorpalblades]

You spelled Sylosis wrong...

[@jasonhook3884]

@@vorpalblades You spelled Summoning The Lich wrong.

[@EvaFull]

Just like everything in Metal, it all comes back to Black Sabbath. Over 50 years in Metal & still breaking ground.

[@TheWhills]

I don’t think 13 was breaking new ground imo. But to each their own

[@KnivingDispodia]

@@TheWhills The first six Sabbath albums are still masterpieces and they still feel fresh…to me anyways.

[@marcusg5665]

@@TheWhills was the the last album with Dio? Bc I agree.. it wasn't breaking new ground. It was just perfection.

[@EvaFull]

@ghost mall Exactly what I meant. Their influence is still impacting till this very day.

[@Mu4dD1b15]

Ozzy had no more tears in 1991. The title song is in drop DB or drop C#. That was the heaviest song I heard when I first was introduced and it was sooooo heavy.

[@supremelordoftheuniverse5449]

Thank you so much for bringing up Helmet and giving them the credit they deserve. It’s criminal how underrated Helmet are and how the big public just has forgotten their Legacy. One of the most original, influential, ground breaking and straight up heavy bands ever. And Page is just the greatest guy in the world. Also, that guitar tone on Meantime is the meanest tone ever, drop D sounds heavier than hell

[@mattsmith5253]

HELMET!!!!!!

[@judsonsnell]

@@mattsmith5253 AMEN. Way overlooked band.

[@robwalsh9843]

Helmet set the tone and the vibe. So many hardcore and metal bands watched them or listened to their albums and thought "That....we need to do that"

[@judsonsnell]

@@robwalsh9843 I'm working on an album right now and the love for Helmet (and other early 90's NYC bands like Prong, Helmet, CSC, and Unsane) is plainly worn on its sleeve.

[@mattsmith5253]

@@judsonsnell Yezzir!

[@vitnemec8365]

To the last point, I’d add that now there are bands who tune down to drop A but aren’t heavy because the production is thin and compressed (like Fallujah). Also honorable mention to Kyuss, who tuned down to C standard as early as ’87.

[@KnivingDispodia]

Doom metal bands have been down tuning since Saint Vitus back in the early 80’s if I remember correctly.

[@tetfol3315]

Kyuss definitely should be mentioned in such video. Also maybe Life of Agony and Type O Negative.

[@sunburnfudge]

I'll give crowbar an honorable mention as well for tuning down to b standard on 6 strings as early as '93

[@tetfol3315]

@@sunburnfudge There were simply many heavy bands in 90's - Prong, Machine Head, Godflesh.

[@steverambo4692]

And they played out of bass amps too

[@dissonantstyle]

When Korn came out I thought the down tuning would be a temporary hype, but when one of my favorite bands of the time, Sepultura, embraced low tunings and people who didn't care for them suddenly fell in love with Roots, I realized it was there to stay. Funny how I only recently got into playing baritones and low tunings myself though 🤗 #latemajority...

[@rndm7528]

For younger people that were not around in the 90s: i'm 43 and its true what he says about Before Korn vs After Korn , he pretty much NAILED it ,I remember a night in my room, it must have been late '96 , i was listening to a Korn tape someone had given to me ,that contained the best songs of their 2 records , prior to that,i had been listening to them but only casually ( whenever the videos came on MTV or when they came on the radio) and i really liked the music (but i didnt have any of their CDs), and it dawned on me ,that other music i was into at the time , just sounded "dated", i mean i don't think i verbally thought that word in my head , but in hindsight the best word i can think now , more than 25 years later, to describe what i felt , is DATED, it kinda made all other music automatically irrelevant in a way, and more so after Follow the Leader and Significant Other by Limp Bizkit dropped , Nu Metal in 98 ,99 just took over EVERYTHING. Even my mom took notice and asked me "why every song u listen to is sooo agressive!" lol

[@johannalvarsson9299]

Hm I was around then and I when I heard Korn I thought: hm that sound is like carcass heartwork, just worse because of the slap-bass...

[@xneurianx]

Helmet are absolutely freaking monumental. Good to see someone actually give them the props they deserve for their influence on modern metal!

[@yy-hj4br]

I came to say the same thing. Helmet is almost forgotten and I've seen "metal and rock experts" forget their existence. Also Helmet is just good, really good. I don't even mind saying their post haitus albums aren't as bad as people say they are.

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

I just got into them a few months ago. I actually learned alot from this! Didnt know helmet were so monumental. So cool

[@xneurianx]

@@thedonofthsht76-58 Also worth checking out Handsome - Helmet had two guitarists for a while, and after Paige Hamilton kicked the other guy out, he started the band Handsome. Handsome are pretty similar to Helmet and are maybe a bit more polished and a bit more 'pop' with more hooks, but they still have the big riffs going on. Great band.

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

@@xneurianx sick thanks dude! Def gonna check them out

[@rgbjojozahau]

That's because Pantera Vulgar Display of Power was just a couple of months old when they came out and they already low tuned 1 and a half..

[@justanotherbro9794]

In my heart Dream Theater will always be the band that made seven string guitars popular, but I've gotta give credit where credit is due, and admit it was Korn.

[@startervisions]

So...by that logic...if my calculations are correct...that could possibly mean Korn is... PROTO MODERN PROG METAL ?

[@ChainsawChristmas]

@@startervisions recalculate

[@startervisions]

@@ChainsawChristmas what?

[@hansvandermeulen5515]

Without Steve Vai, metal bands may not have been playing 7-strings at all.

[@Glasshexagon]

@@startervisions Unironically Korn was prog in their debut self-titled album due to having time-signature changes.

[@nimhard]

Interesting facts: - Yes tuned down to A in Big Generator, a 1987 song. - Smashing Pumpkins tuned down to Bb in 1979, a 1995 song - you can clearly hear the baritone guitar note at 2:56. - B52's used a baritone guitar tuned to C in their mainstream rock song Rock Lobster from 1978. - Also, Matando Gueros by Brujeria was tuned to A in 1993. One year before the first Korn record. I personally started tuning down because of Nirvana, then Helmet, AIC and Soundgarden. Then it got lower with stuff like Sepultura and Korn. By 97 I was tuning to B and A frequently. By 2001 I got my first 7 and by 2013 I got my 8 string. Interesting to see how mainstream it got.

[@nicholasfink1186]

Another funny fact is Wes Borland from Limp Bizkit tuning down to F# for their song Stalemate on a demo tape from 1995, which was probably written in 1994. (Pantera and Slipknot did something similar, but a couple years after LB). That song went on to their first album and they went on to use that same tuning on their single Nookie in 1999 which, and correct me if I'm wrong, is the LOWEST tuned rock song to ever hit the mainstream. So shouldn't that make Limp Bizkit the kings of low tuning until 2002 when Meshuggah released 'Nothing?'

[@axeltejeda175]

Pentagram did A# in 1984 for the song All Your Sins

[@XFC856]

@@nicholasfink1186 Wes did use a modified 4-string guitar, tuned F#F#BE, which was a dort of diy-hybrid of a guitar and bass - so some people might argue that doesn’t count here

[@Ronny1031]

Early Bolt Thrower tuned down to A back in the late 80s, early 90s, before Korn, even before Morbid Angel started using 7 strings tuned down to A#. Godflesh was tuned down to B back around the same time as Carcass.

[@wallaceshawn-zk8iw]

@@ippos_khloros6163 Everybody except Fred is very talented & went to music school.

[@zappatton2]

I do love the sound of down-tuned guitars, but I can appreciate when modern metal bands do use standard tuning, if only because in the modern landscape, it gives them a unique sound. One band I love is Vektor, who tunes a half-step UP, completely bucking any of the tuning trends of the day, but their music is very thematically sci-fi, and that sound seems to suit the subject matter. An almost antiseptic futurism, rather than the dark gloom of their peers.

[@TheAffluenza]

Charging The Void absolutely rips. When I first heard the choir come in it felt like I was going through the star gate at the end of 21st Century Space Odyssey

[@beastmerc84]

That first Korn album is the only one I can go back and listen too. It's Dark, Heavy, and has Groove.

[@10stripmusic]

there's also been the progression of the deftones, starting in standard, then flat and dropped, then a whole step down, then 7 string, to 8, to 9... the story is still playing out in real time!

[@barringtonwomble4713]

all sounds like deftones to me.

[@vin7941]

Yea cause Steven carpenter is a huge Meshuggah fan

[@amx1820]

@@vin7941 and Periphery are huge Deftones fans:))

[@Meshuggapeth]

What deftones song has a 9?

[@onewhitepony]

yeah if i saw a video with stephen and chino talking about guitar tunings on all the albums. from start (adrenaline era) it was standard, dropped tuned on around the fur, dropped tuned again on White Pony (which surprised me bc it doesnt sound lower), then he got the 7 string for self titled and continued to drop down each album then got the 8 string i believe on No Koi Yokan or Gore. He always played like a hybrid lead/rhythm guy and does it well. btw im not a guitar player just what i remember them saying

[@Anthropomorphic]

It's kind of interesting to note that the development in metal towards being more rhythmic and bass oriented is kind of mirrored by the direction pop music's gone in, the latter of which is typically associated with the growing influence and mainstream acceptance of rap music. With bands like Helmet and Korn, metal was kind of an early adopter.

[@viscountrainbows6452]

Rick Beato made a video on top 10 Metal songs on Spotify and I kid you not, one of them sounded like Imagine Dragons but ever-so-slightly more aggressive. And even Imagine Dragons don't consider themselves a rock group, iirc.

[@raidermaxx2324]

well that influence goes back even further to Run-DMC on their first album with "Rock Box" and even more so on their third album with their collab with Aerosmith in "Walk This Way" and Public Enemy and Anthrax in "Bring tha Noize" as far as mainstream acceptance of rap... But its true metal and rap shared the one thing that pop music didnt hame, they were both cutting edge and listened to by fans that appreciated "cutting edge" music, therefore it was natural for rap and metal together, to be used as a vehicle to be brought to the pop listeners\masses...

[@birthdaybatter815]

Black Sabbath are so damn amazing. Easily the most important band in metal history.

[@Ninjamanhammer]

I mean they did invent the genre.

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

Aye mike Perry and black sabbath. What a combo. I like you already hahah

[@MrVongogol]

Sabbath is more important than the Beatles

[@KnivingDispodia]

@@MrVongogol Now THATS what I call a hot take. Real shit though I wrote a thesis paper on that exact topic for college. I dropped out shortly after and never turned it in.

[@metalheadblues]

Meshuggah is black Sabbath 2.0

[@mindmesh7566]

Celtic Frost and their influence on contemporary metal is pretty immense as well.

[@jdmclellan]

Morbid Angel are so underrated, their combination of experimentation, heavieness, catchiness and songwriting sensibilities make them really unique. M.A. and Carcass really stand out above the rest.

[@alejandromolina2435]

Morbid Angel is an amazing band!

[@patrickquinnsucks]

And Death

[@onewhitepony]

i thought the tone on Gateways to Annihilation sounded so damn heavy.. that was my first introduction to the band as a teen. the music matched the sick album art.. so low, dark and just other worldly. Personally i think Kingdoms Disdain is right up there with that and if memory serves me right he was playing a 8 string on that and it sounds it

[@raidermaxx2324]

um why do so many people always say "So-and so" band is so underrated, as if you are saying that you are the only one that appreciates said band, and are letting the rest of us know about this mysterious underrated band yoou guys are privelage too.. lol .. So Morbid Angel is 100% NOT UNDERATED, and in fact, extremely successful, and respected to this day.

[@onewhitepony]

@@raidermaxx2324 i get that..probably meant he wishes they were more popular than they are but hard to be popular when you're playing death metal. But they were on a major label at one point. I guess cannibal corpse went as mainstream it can get 🤷

[@harveyradius]

Glad to see Helmet finally getting some love. I've only ever seen you mention them in passing. Criminally underrated.

[@vitnemec8365]

Fun fact: thrash metal band Vektor tunes UP to F standard and it makes their music insanely intense. Check for example their track Cygnus Terminal.

[@redhotchilipepper8]

Checked it, intense is the right word

[@jacee8094]

F is just the heaviest key. Listen to Caustic are the ties that bind by trivium or bulls on parade. Or even the octave down F like meshuggah. F supremacy for pure brutality😂

[@jeffgerdau9436]

Vektor is still the fastest band I've ever heard

[@mylerwilson4879]

Listen to LCD for absolute progressive technical sci-fi blackened thrash metal goodness. Killer track

[@horokai]

WTF was that... that track was fucking amazing, thanks dude, really. Im hooked now.

[@darrentg6]

Pantera's Vulgar Display of Power was massively influential with down tuning, came out 4 months before Helmet's Meantime, and sold WAY more copies.

[@123612100]

Hemlet > pantera

[@darrentg6]

@@123612100 Preferences don't change the facts. Helmet is great, but I'm just talking about influence, and it was a ridiculous oversight that the video didn't mention Pantera's influence on drop tuning.

[@123612100]

@@darrentg6 pantera influenced all the wrong bands.

[@123612100]

@@ConvincingPeople Dimebag was racist. There's a video of him at NAMM where he keeps calling a dude the N word.

[@emptyinsiderecords]

Helmet was influential to many including Pantera. From interviews you can hear Phil was a fan and Dime knowingly used one of Page's riffs cause he dug it so much. Everybody's greatness made everyone better.

[@rodneybrentgray7251]

I discovered Dopethrone about 10 years ago. They brought heavy music back into my life. And my 10yr old boy

[@bb-bryzontrap1525]

Morbid angel drummer was born in El Salvador and I'm the best friend of his brother I'm so glad to know his story 👍🏻 hope more people listen to his band.

[@scotttill3847]

Other notable pioneers of drop D: Kings X (they had some songs dropped even lower, like drop B), Neil Young (Cinnamon Girl was in double drop D, Harvest Moon in drop D), Led Zeppelin (Moby Dick), the Allman Bros. (Midnight Rider), Fleetwood Mac (Never Going Back Again), Van Halen (Unchained).

[@cowcat7816]

Van Halen's Good Enough has the 6 string tuned down to A.

[@garrett4299]

Paige Hamilton is my number 1 influence when it comes to guitar. Not a crazy fretty guitarist, but the groove and sludge was unreal. Fucking love it

[@Kevin-uz6sv]

His Jazz influence translated so well to Helmet. I didn't quite understand it when it came out, but I knew I liked it and even more now.

[@garrett4299]

@@Kevin-uz6sv the dude had a lot to bring to the table. His music professor thought the whole thing was dumb, but Paige definitely proved him wrong

[@connornyhan8369]

too underrated

[@user-mm1wj8il4n]

Damn, I'm a Gen X child and I'm always learning new stuff about music I never dreamed of happening when we didn't have social media platforms such as Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, KZbin, and etc. to connect us all. I only had MTV, Radio, and magazines to keep me updated on the music scene. When I was in Iraq during my second deployment over there I had just discovered Zune and MP3 players to replace my CD player to listen to my music. Flash forward to today when I watch your videos you are a majority of the time talking about stuff I never knew when growing up. Keep up the good work and thanks for the insight on the music I grew up on.

[@undone14]

Great video. One quick note; Korn tuned even lower than B to A. Fear Factory didn't use a 7 string until Obsolete. Dino said he used a 6 string to record the Demanufacture album. Great band regardless. Also, I still love Korn almost 27 years later!

[@HeritageWealthPlanning]

Sabbath’s “Into the Void” metalist song of all time

[@DinsdalePiranha67]

"Into The Void" is the ultimate metal riff.

[@mattmiller4821]

Fuck Yeah SIr. Golf Clap

[@KaaiHawaiianDeathMetal]

I read an interview with Carcass a long time ago. They said the reason they tuned to B. Was because the band Trouble was tuned to C. They said that they thought Trouble was the heaviest band they ever heard. So if they tube to C, tuning to B has to be even heavier.

[@dastardlygonzo]

I recently started learning guitar and it's given me a bigger appreciation for what bands like Nile and Fear Factory have been doing all these years. As for "feeling" the lower notes, I saw After The Burial two years ago and it was wildly better than listening on my phone.

[@Divine_Serpent_Geh]

Yes, Nile is is a big one. They pretty much pushed the envelope to an extreme. Drop A and really fast riffs. I still say it’s the limit for doing groove riffs, sludge riffs, and also fast choppy riffs.

[@jamesbedford3774]

'Wildly better than listening on my phone'. And you're surprised?!

[@kdogg7882]

@@jamesbedford3774 I know right?! Any live show or even a decent system is better than a phone

[@jamesbedford3774]

@@kdogg7882 Got to have some sort of hi-fi and a physical copy, for the best 'at home' experience. MP3s don't cut it, for me. Live is a double-edged sword. Sounds great (if you're lucky), but you'll pay a fortune to watch it through somebody else's fucking phone. I'm old enough to have enjoyed gigs before phones were 'a thing'. It was great. Now? Total waste of time.

[@higler.]

@@Divine_Serpent_Geh and on 24.75" gibson scale length haha

[@samuliauno8163]

Mikael Åkerfelt of Opeth is very good at creating super heavy compositions with standard E, such as Deliverance and Heir Apparent.

[@DustinHaning]

Man I remember hearing that first Korn album for the first time at the little headphone sample bar at Sam Goody, and being so blown away by Blind. Really can't express how revolutionary that song really was at the time.

[@TheKey304]

For rhythm guitarists especially, it just seems natural to want to extend your range. I also always wondered how much people shit themselves when they heard Children of the Grave for the first time!

[@robertb.4202]

The future of metal: Hitting the brown note and changing your shorts after the performance. It’s our destiny.

[@biznatcho7]

I play in Drop-Brown Note and everyone immediately goes number 3.

[@TheKlamminator]

I've been waiting for this my entire life

[@Born2gun77]

Melvins already do it!!

[@yourself_and_i_music]

One band literally plays in triple drop G# for a breakdown and I assure it sounds heavy af

[@elysiumsexsmith]

So... Sunn o)))?

[@rjanleine6470]

So, I am a metal and rock fan starting with the likes of Sabbath and Deep Purple from childhood. I can’t really relate to the majority of the videos you post as they often times mention bands and sub-genres I have not been exposed to. I know it’s there I just don’t really know anything about them or the scene. Your knowlede is what makes me watch your videos. Your research and attention to detail draws me in, and videos like this, a overall well informed and cool video about a subject that hits the whole industry is a prime example of that. Great work!

[@goatfromhell666]

Broaden your horizons dude! I'm in my 40's, and this is a time of discovery for me. I've found dozens of bands that I passed over when I was younger that I absolutely love now, and there's a ton of newer, really awesome bands that keep me going on this juggernaut of metal that I call life.

[@alchimerical2613]

I think the physical aspect of bass moving air is a part of it, but in some cases, the fundamental frequency from the distorted guitar is significantly quieter than all the harmonic content. It’s like the actual *note* is implied rather than heard. It makes for a sick tone.

[@raymondforbes4295]

First Drop D song I ever learned was Tesla's "Heaven's Trail". Well, double dropped D. I, personally, don't think you can really talk about this without talking about King's X and Alice in Chains.

[@massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002]

I give you props for mentioning Jimi and his tuning. I like Eb tuning, and so does SLAYER.

[@michaelhunziker7287]

Hell Awaits is in Standard

[@jeremiahjordan3641]

@@michaelhunziker7287 proves you don’t need to down tune if your riffs are heavy

[@60degreelobwedge82]

Jimi tuned that way because it fit his vocal range better, not to be heavier.

[@massttrshrdrharmonicminor2002]

@@60degreelobwedge82 cool, I thought it was so he could more easily bend the strings

[@HeadbangersLocal]

Let’s not forget Mick Mars tuned down one whole step (D standard) in like 1980 before most others. No one was tuning down like that back then

[@JohnSmith-rk6jy]

Mick is highly underrated as a guitar great. Only really held back by the other members of the band.

[@TheDeadStretch]

On top of that Mick Mars' guitars is basically holding the songs together. As far as their genre goes and much of 80's "Pop-Metal" if you ask someone to hum a Motley Crue songs it's more often than not going to be Mick's lines. For other bands if you ask them to hum the songs it's usually the Vocal lines.

[@JohnSmith-rk6jy]

@@TheDeadStretch very true.

[@siddhantpanwar95]

How about Black Sabbath, they were tuned to C# standard much earlier than Motley Crue

[@TheDeadStretch]

@@siddhantpanwar95 How about watching the whole video, he mentions Black Sabbath and Iommi.

[@mackenziehunter1755]

I feel that with the all recording advancements and techniques that came with stupid low tuning, it’s kind of come full circle where you can djent and chug on riffs in e standard and have it sound HEAVY. Like my VSTs I use on my laptop sound brutal on standard tuning as well as drop G lol. This vid was a banger

[@sunburnfudge]

Power trip comes to mind for me. They were heavy as fuck thrashing around in e standard!

[@mackenziehunter1755]

@@sunburnfudge aye for sure good example

[@m_js5709]

Having your finger tips cut off by a metal saw machine leading to you innovating down tuning is quite literally the most Metal thing I've ever heard of in my life

[@wallaceshawn-zk8iw]

Yup. Plus Munky cut the tip of his finger off on his 3-wheeler & picked up guitar to rehabilitate.

[@danmoth5126]

Respect for making this video, mate. I assume you've already heard Sabbath Bloody Sabbath- mean drop tuning riff. Hearing that at age 12 was what threw me into metal. 40 years later, still there. And, that riff is still heavy.

[@tylerroe5175]

I NEED an entire video dedicated to Meshuggah. Absolutely love that band. I’ve listened to Bleed hundreds of times and I still get the same chills every time I hear the opening

[@XViTNg]

I’m old so i loved Nothing. And when they remaster it and re recorded with 8 strings it was perfection.

[@parrata]

19:17 As my highschool music teacher used to say to us: "oh, I'm so though and angry that I will downtune my guitar and blow up the speakers so nobody can notice when I mess up and every noise will feel intentional". It was mostly just to tease us, for the most part he still encouraged us to play music we liked.

[@MrBownze]

Let's hear it for public school music class.

[@godless_goddess5985]

It's cool how Drop D was a sleeper tuning back to '69 with Moby Dick by Zeppelin, a few songs by Queen of all bands (like Fat Bottomed Girls in '79), and Unchained by Van Halen in '81.

[@BenjiH23]

I’d say tuning can just effect the vibe of the song and doesn’t actually make it heavier. Some riffs sound great in standard, some sound great a full octave lower. Around The Fur is one of my favourite metal albums ever and that’s only in Drop C#.

[@tfwnoyandere]

Wrong

[@raulfigueroa588]

Only is pretty crazy to say. C# is pretty low. Of course not by todays standards but it definitely is low

[@jsk8et]

Random trivia: Wes Borland of Limb Bizkit played a 7-String with a second high string, but tuned the whole thing down to C# standard. The extra high string was usually unison with the other one (both C#), sometimes he tried higher.

[@g.koch.]

Also worth to mention he just played them because Ibanez gave them to him for free for advertisement, these where back then 25.5" aswell so thats why he a few years later got rid of them and gone back to play public 6 strings because the 7th got in the way. Their first Album where also recorded on a (I think it was a) Washburn 6 string that was his second guitar he buyed. He really hates being still asked about them..but reading the comments I totally understand this🤣

[@jsk8et]

@@g.koch. I feel like the 2 high E strings might have been helpful on a song like “Rearranged” because of the clean tone pull-offs. It’s a small thing but it has a feeling of its own.

[@shaneharrington3655]

Dillinger Escape Plan play in standard almost exclusively I think. And they’re heavy as hell.

[@teacherfromthejungles6671]

all mathcore/chaotic hardcore sounds quite high pitched, I guess it's a part of the style

[@goatfromhell666]

Definitely one of the exceptions, and exceptional

[@michaelhunziker7287]

That band sux. Spazz rock

[@goatfromhell666]

@@michaelhunziker7287 sounds like an I heard one song and didn't like em band review

[@tealeaf3210]

I saw them with Thy Art is Murder, it felt just as heavy.

[@Thvll]

I’m surprised you didn’t mention dimebag and the way he tuned down like 1 and a quarter steps. And you know, also to G on the Underground in America, lol. Great video Finn, I love learning more about this music I love so much!

[@bwzarchive708]

it was sandblasted skin with the really low G

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

@@bwzarchive708 unreal song. Both are. All of them are!! Lol

[@rgbjojozahau]

@@bwzarchive708 yeah. It makes them Disappear too

[@mathias8627]

Cowboys was tuned down half step I think, most of the songs sound good in standard e as well

[@SpacemanXC]

If you want him to just talk about every guitarist that ever down tuned, this would be a 30 hour video.

[@salvadorricardojimenez5401]

Meshuggah was popular in the USA long before 2008! I saw them play Ozzfest 2002 on the 2nd stage, they had a good sized crowd & reaction, but they were already covered by Metal publishers years before then in the U.S. Maybe it was simply that their influence wasn't impactful yet till the late 2000s.

[@mattf9096]

I've seen Korn many....many times, but I remember seeing them in a smallish club on the tour to promote "Life Is Peachy" and it rocked my world. I was maybe 10 feet from the PA and when Fieldy hit those sub notes it literally moved me across the floor from the vibrations.

[@ashirrelevent1062]

Fieldy is the second greatest Bassist of all time! (Behind Les Claypool only in unique Bass playing)

[@mattf9096]

@@ashirrelevent1062 I don't know if I'd go that far lol His playing and tone are 100% unique and I enjoy listening to him, but I could rattle off a number of bassists that leave him in the dust musically.

[@theodoredavidmooney5703]

Dude... Love your insight and knowledge on all things heavy music... You have a gift and we appreciate you taking the time to share it with us, I disagree with you sometimes but that's what makes your input so vital.... Thank you! Thank you, thank you...

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thank you!

[@theodoredavidmooney5703]

@@ThePunkRockMBA anytime! Please keep up the great work... A favor please, can you do an overview on the beauty of Converge and how they continue to bring us incredible music in the most punk way I know? Please!!!!! It would be outstanding. We would love it!

[@krisfrederick5001]

Nirvana's "Bleach" was in drop D...but they forgot it was already in drop D, so "Blew" ended up being in drop C after they tuned down again...woops. Have to mention Stephen Carpenter of the Deftones when it comes to 7-strings and odd tunings.

[@olivermahoney3429]

I think that they re-did most of the album apart from 'Blew' after they realised their mistake

[@xneurianx]

I'm not understanding this. If you're in E Standard and you go to Drop D, you're only lowering the tuning of the low E string from an E to a D. If you repeat that, you end up in... CADGBE not Drop C. Drop C is CGCFAD. Also you drop tune either with a tuner, or relative to the other strings. So I'm not sure how either of these tunings was possible - either you drop the E string another full step down to C but don't check that on a tuner or relative to the other strings, which is... interesting. Or you tune it relative to the other strings, but before doing that you drop the entire guitar a step. I guess it was in Drop D, then they tuned relative to D Standard because they forgot the E string was already dropped.. then dropped the lowest string from D down to C? I might be overthinking this. Basically, in the studio, tune with a tuner. Glenn Fricker wouldn't have any of this!

[@emptyinsiderecords]

Finn is afraid to talk about Deftones. Good or bad, it's just not worth the comment storm haha

[@masonjones4849]

@@xneurianx I was looking for this comment. You mean to tell me when you drop your guitar you don't start with 1-5? Lmao. You're certainly not overthinking it.

[@ChainsawChristmas]

@@xneurianx agreed. There's no way this story is true. They're in studio and somehow not using tuners, intonating guitars, and the producer never mentioned anything. All very unlikely.... Except maybe the intonation. Haha.

[@M.Holland]

Finn: "... I think it's gonna here to stay" Me: instant singing some KoRn.

[@alecturcot4659]

Helmet's Betty is one of the best and heaviest albums of all time

[@aidenfitzpatrick7880]

I´m gonna listen to it right now, once again.

[@yy-hj4br]

Their pre hiatus output is legendary, especially Aftertaste, and people write that off. Their post hiatus albums aren't bad either, just not as good.

[@uncaaj]

John Stanier’s drums bludgeon so much, I love his snare on that album.

[@robwalsh9843]

@@yy-hj4br I agree, newer Helmet isn't as good, but it's still good. Page just has that sound down.

[@barbarawegner3322]

Thank you for mentioning the MELVINS! They never get the props they deserve! We're coming up on the Anniversary of their amazing album "Houdini" Sept 21st. Would be awesome if you made a video on them and their influence on Grunge and Metal.

[@randyeppyt]

"This Flight Tonight" by Joni Mitchell in 1971 is tuned with a low G on the low string. I don't know a huge amount about folk, but I know they used all sorts of low stuff and influenced a bunch of players.

[@freeparking301]

Reminds me of Neil Young playing down tuned acoustics with songs like “Don’t Let It Bring You Down.”

[@TimV93]

She also used a open version of Drop B on Hejira in 1976. She's the OG of downtuning and alternate tuning.

[@casualcadaver]

The Lutes and proto guitars of the Baroque period literally had 9-16 strings hundreds of years ago. Separate notes no double stringing either.

[@TheHighestOrderHO]

Congrats Finn, you knocked this one out the park. IMO this is one of your best.

[@neonblack211]

It's crazy how much "bleed" propelled meshuggah into the mainstream.... especially considering the amount of amazing shit they have put out before that... stuff that was arguably better

[@yourself_and_i_music]

But tho bleed was worth the game cause of the insanely hard picking and kick pattern

[@amx1820]

@@yourself_and_i_music yeps already heard Meshuggah in the early 2000s but Bleed has the x factor. It was like as Smells like Teen Spirit was for Nirvana

[@yourself_and_i_music]

@@amx1820 yeah exactly

[@charizardmaster13]

Youd be surprised how much of a good "hook" in a sense bleed has. That picking pattern is basically the modern metal version of 0 3 5

[@paulphoenix1669]

Love that you played a lil snippet from a Demilich track, love that band so much, crazy ridiculously heavy.

[@AskesisGrappling]

One band to sum up the before Korn/after Korn effect: Sepultura. Going from Chaos AD to Roots is such a stark contrast, I'm fairly certain Max has always been very vocal about how Korn influenced him at that time, even getting Ross Robinson in.

[@85vesti]

That whole High 7th String would have totally caught on in Black Metal! I mean is there even bass at all in most trad lofi Black Metal?! One of the few genres to not evolve to include downtuning, and Thrash's speedy attack sounds crap when downtuned too far too.

[@evergray5063]

Annal Nathrakh would like to have a word with you...

[@JohnSmith-rk6jy]

Ironically Black Metal, isn’t even “heavy” at all? And it’s supposed to be the darkest of the genre. Well, was supposed to be back then. Grunge was Heavier.

[@evergray5063]

@@JohnSmith-rk6jy depends on how you define heavy. If heavy to you is exaggerated low frequencies and chugs, then yeah, black metal isn’t gonna be ‘heavy’, especially if you’re talking about the first wave or early second wave where the lofi production was pretty much void of low frequencies. And yeah, for it’s time, it was the heaviest... ok... the most *extreme* thing around. Then again, so was punk ins the 70’s. It’s all about time frame and what YOU personally define as ‘heavy’. But by the time Dimmu put out ‘Puritanical’, the bass-focused production and adoption of open string staccato riffing was surely ‘heavy’

[@85vesti]

@@evergray5063 Yeah that's fair, some people could argue some Sabbath is heavier than 80s Thrash, and Dissection were black metal that definitely incorporated death/thrash riffing and like you say Dimmu incorporated the 'chug' factor. Heaviness is ultimately subjective and comes in different forms...I loved Mikael Akerfeldt's quote - 'Tell Me That Mozart's Requiem Isn't Heavy & I'll Kick You in the Fucking Cunt' 😂😂

[@evergray5063]

@@85vesti I never heard that quote, that’s fuckin hilarious 😂

[@jml8238]

Korn drop their 7-strings down a whole step so they have been tuned down to A since 1994. Nile also came in with A in 1998.

[@Christopher-md7tf]

Helmet's influence to this day is absolutely insane considering they were never really part of the mainstream

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

Dude I literally just got into them like 6 months ago. Funny how you can be a metalhead and still find heavy bands lol

[@Malum09]

@@thedonofthsht76-58 it’s a never ending journey

[@thedonofthsht76-58]

@@Malum09 that's a fact! Hate when people say metals dead. Just bc it isnt on the radio. Gotta dig

[@lastonanisland1111]

I remember seeing their video for Unsung pretty frequently on MTV back in the olden days.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

Helmet weren't an underground band, they were pretty solidly in the B-tier of the mainstream in the 90s.

[@kellymoon4232]

I would say Melvins deserve the "Drop D Innovators" award over Helmet. They also did weird stuff like drop A in standard tuning on Boris. It is funny how Helmet pioneered heavy syncopated riffs with jazz influenced solos...Isn't that what Djent is?

[@raidermaxx2324]

hell naaah dude Sepultura FTW

[@mooshafesterbone1645]

Ive fairly recently stumbled across this channel and it is honestly the most level-headed stories and perspectives on music that I have seen on youtube. This channel should be in the tens of millions of subs. Seriously.

[@ThePunkRockMBA]

Thank you!

[@lonewanderer3603]

Fear Factory has been one of my favorite metal bands for a long time. Never huge in the mainstream, but put out very consistently good albums. I think they actually have some new stuff, but Obsolete and Mechanize are my favorite.

[@jtwee6590]

they have new stuff yeah, but Burton is gone now, and his voice was arguably what made the band stand out

[@apewarband]

MELVINS were an interesting intersection of tuning very low and being more grunge than metal, especially the early records like Ozma and Bullhead

[@viscountrainbows6452]

Melvins are a kind of group that were avant-garde by sheer incident. I feel like they just do whatever they want to get weirder and more confusing, to their complement. It will forever be a godsend that sludge and grunge are genetically tied but Sludge is more the awkward family member at the edge with a solid side-hustle.

[@robwalsh9843]

Melvins are also often included in sludge metal and doom metal. They've had a wide influence.

[@powerslaveraimon]

Jerry Cantrell of Alice in Chains was a big innovator with down tuning. He has these huge, crushing and dense guitar tones.

[@wallaceshawn-zk8iw]

Jerry is definitely underrated... Even Dime was impressed by him

[@yfz450rider39]

Meshuggah is best. Bleed is the definition of a perfect metal song. The whole song keeps your head bobbing or your foot tapping, and the breakdown section makes the adrenaline pump. Seeing them live is legendary. Also, After the Burial = sick.

[@theNickRYG]

Quick story: My friends' dad is the one who introduced him to Master of Reality as a kid. 20 years later, he shows his dad Electric Wizard and his dad just goes, ".........well that was dark."

[@TristanTrue98]

Drop D is my favorite tuning. Its a gym aggression rather than a murder suicide aggression.

[@ArmageddonGuitarsYT]

Yeah drop D for the win

[@666makasin]

As a guitar nerd here are my 5 cents: 1. Blues guitarists tuned to Drop D or Open D in 1930s. Open tuning is very useful while playing slide (even more cheating than Drop because it gives whole major chord for barre on all strings). Also some used it to give thicker and darker sound as they usually played without bass, drums etc. 2. While most metal and rock ignored down tuning after Black Sabbath introduced it to masses Stoner and Doom bands used it extensively. For example band Pentagram played in B standard and Saint Vitus, Sleep, The Obsessed and Kyuss played in C or C#. It was huge contrast to thrash, glam and hardcore that was popular back then.

[@uraniumcranium2613]

Drop tunings aren't cheating, guitar is a songwriting tool. I can play stuff in dropped tunings that is impossible to play in standard, but I can also play stuff in standard that is impossible in dropped, Its all about the different possibilities, don't limit yourself. When I first started I thought tapping was cheating and everything had to be picked now I mainly play legato. Thinking of anything on guitar as "cheating" will only hold you back.

[@dcbbot]

Yeah, I was amazed that stoner and doom weren't mentioned. Like Kyuss didn't just tune down but Homme used bass cabinets and stuff to get a real heavy feel as well.

[@linusfotograf]

I like hearing the actual notes the guitars are playing. Some bands are purely percussive.

[@i_make_sounds]

This might be the first time I've seen all this history put together and explored cohesively on a visible platform. It's really cool to see. Thanks for doing this!

[@craigjones3506]

You deserve 10m subs... over the past 3 years you have put so much work into your content. So much research. Never stop sirrrrr

[@jburdsinfuse]

I remember getting "Strap It On" on vinyl and thinking that nothing heavier would ever be released. Coming from the punk world, the vocals and rhythm (now known to the world as breakdowns) were mind blowing. And you know how they say never meet your heroes? Not true of Paige Hamilton. I met him at Lollapalooza at the autograph table. None of the kiddies there had a clue who Helmet was. I spent about an hour at the table just shooting the shit and he was about as cool as they come.

[@mogsy2112]

I met Page a couple of times. First time was after a show at a very small venue. We had a beer together and talked guitars for about 20 minutes. Dude didn't care that I was a nobody. Super down to earth guy, and a monster musician. 🤘🏻

[@robiu013]

hear me out: finn mckenty on guitar, anthony fantano on bass, joe sudano on drums = the ultimate youtube super group. if they try hard enough needledrop could review their debut album and feel a strong 4 to light 5.

[@alexosborne3642]

we all know Melon would rate his own tracks "Not Good" lol

[@Kevin-uz6sv]

Couldn't imagine what Dillinger Escape Plan would sound like tuned down. That shit sounds nasty as is!

[@schmitty8225]

@@rorz999 Arp is on a whole different level of skill.

[@HessianHunter]

The guitars in that band are focused on screechy chords, not chugging, so it probably wouldn't do much to their sound but make it muddier honestly. On one of their later albums they had a single song that did some chugging and I think they actually played in drop D for just that song. There was a guitar switch live and everything. It sounded good for that part for sure!

[@mattsonrobbins281]

You could check out Ion Dissonance. Basically what DEP would sound like downtuned. Cursed is a pretty gnarly record.

[@HotdogWeeniesRichard]

Morbid Angel, and Trey in general, is my number 1 influence in my guitar sound. I am 25, and my best friend is 35, and he showed me Morbid and all the death metal I know. now I just try to play evil morbid riffs, with Knocked Loose type break downs and just heaviness.

[@hechticgaming7193]

Dude I loved Helmet as a teen, and most just didn't see them at the beginning, love that you talked about them! Their drummer and bassist were amazing

[@ToxicxEternity]

great video Finn! but does it djent?

[@ChainsawChristmas]

😴

[@clay1699]

😐

[@calonordstoast]

It do

[@СтасВысочин]

Thaaaaall

[@viscountrainbows6452]

You are under arrest.

[@PhilosophicalDrummer]

Never heard of Helmet until today 😳. And I was always a big fan of metal, Korn being one of my favorites band by far

[@jesselovett4934]

Meshuggah is just brutal nu-metal. I have never been so offended by something so accurate and true.

[@robwalsh9843]

Well, much more technical than nu metal. Your average Korn wannabe band couldn't master those rhythms.

[@raphaelcalado4335]

They have this nu-metal vibe in some songs, can’t deny. But the deeper you go on Meshuggah further alway they distance their song from Nu metal. There is more Jazz in Meshuggah than nu metal, this is why their composition is full of broken patterns and rhythm changes. I hated most so called “brutal bands”, but my love to Jazz made my transition to Meshuggah quite easy, because at first I was curious they caught my ear, and after little time, I was going deeper and deeper into their discography. It is amazing how the first album was basically Metallica, and then the band found their song and kept evolving it and honing their craft.

[@peterdepalma6714]

@@raphaelcalado4335 This. Their None EP has some very nu-metally, even metalcory riffs all throughout.

[@Meshuggapeth]

@@peterdepalma6714 None was pretty alternative metal so yes close to nu metal

[@needsLITHIUM]

Winds of Plague started out playing in standard, with a 5 string bass tuned to drop A, and they would just use inverted power chords with the bass creating the aural illusion of drop tunings for the breakdowns lol. Main reason was the guitar preferences of the guitarists - I think one was using a H-H Tele or something, and the other was playing a fixed bridge H-S-S Strat.

[@mg682]

i'm happy helmet is getting spme love. underrated rock group. straight-forward and heavy

[@GuitFiddlerOntheR00F]

Even though Vai helped in the development of the "ELECTRIC" 7 string....Korn brought it to the masses. It was unreal the 1st time I heard that Low A in the opening intro of Blind in 1994. But kudos Fin for shouting out Kim Thayil from Soundgarden! Badmotorfinger brought that Low B on a 6 string almost 4 years before Korn. I remember trying to learn Rusty Cage on a knock off Strat with Light Gauge strings and trying to not make it sound like complete ass because the string tension was weaker than overcooked Angel Hair pasta 🤣

[@2Lainz]

Guitar Bro Moment: Korn isn't Drop Tuning, they're A Standard.

[@GuitFiddlerOntheR00F]

@@2Lainz Ha! You're right! I always assumed Korn tuned to AEADGBE! In my defense I'm a 6 string player that learned a few Korn songs by ear. I briefly owned a used Schecter Avenger 7 String over a decade ago but couldn't gel with it and sold it.

[@vorpalblades]

There are 7 string classical guitars that are hundreds of years old. He popularized it, not invented it.

[@GuitFiddlerOntheR00F]

@@vorpalblades Let me clarify my comment...Vai helped to develop and create the 1st ELECTRIC 7 string guitar with Ibanez. Thats a fact. But yeah the 7 string has been around a long ass time in Classical / Acoustic form.

[@PolkCountyWIProgressive]

I think Entombed’s Left Hand Path (1990) was the biggest moment that huge down tuning was incorporated in a way that made the music heavier and scarier that people really noticed.

[@mirvin1977]

Nice video, one thing not mentioned is the goth/doom metal genre. Bands like Type O negative and Paradise Lost used B tunnig by the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s. They were some of the first bands to use that tunning back in the day.

[@ScottishScott2024]

Great work! As far as the story goes, Korn used to bend over while playing as the fretboard was wider on the 7 stringers and so they could see where they were playing

[@bartbuysen7243]

When heard Unsung for the first time, it blew my mind and shaped my guitarplaying since then, and I stil mostly play drop D. After that Prong was the most influential sound to me.

[@kareja316]

when he says "Helmet songs are EASY to play by design" all i could think about are the countles hours we spend as a band practicing the second part of that song to get it right. that thing is insane