I agreed with almost everything you said but man 3 doors down and shinedown are great bands. They have plenty of songs with deep meaningful lyrics. Shinedown has a song called 45 about suicide. 3 doors down has a song called away from the sun about getting through depression.
@IwonaKlich2 жыл бұрын
I suggest to make somenthing about this Netflix "Metal lords" movie, where you had a death metal band without death metal...
@Grapesoda-is7ti2 жыл бұрын
@@dankhill2033 Almost, I consider Post-Grunge to be a subgenre of Butt Rock, but there are many Butt Rock bands that aren't Post-Grunge like Trapt, Godsmack, Skillet, Three Days Grace, FFDP etc.
@BackwardzCap2 жыл бұрын
You should make a video on the genre goregrind I think it would be very interesting and great to hear what you say about it.
@slowboy12362 жыл бұрын
One band that gets a lot of hate for not being “real grunge” is Stone Temple pilots and I don’t get it honestly. Their first album came out in 1992 which was only a year after some of the icon Grunge albums came out. Clearly they were working on it before Grunge blew up but if your gonna say “but they weren’t from Seattle” then fine I guess, that’s kind of petty and tribalist to me. The first two albums are fantastic and for me are just as big as the other iconic albums from the other four bands.
@Megaalith2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't put STP in the post-grunge label. They're straight up alt rock.
@kylereece19792 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Ive always rated Core and Purple just as legit and personal to me as Soundgarden's "Superunknown" or AIC' 'Dirt". They were out the same timeline and I got them all in the same time. Core mite have employed the same styles of AIC and Pearl Jam , but "Purple" was a totally different case. Its classic classic 90s rock. STP in general did a wonderful job in making each of their albums different from eachother. "Tiny Music...." had a sweet 60s pop rock, Stonesy vibe to it, which again was totally different to Purple.
@gelmir73222 жыл бұрын
Stone Temple Pilots is alternative rock (similar to Live or Collective Soul) AIC is sounds like glamrock (Guns and Roses-esque) Nirvana is punkish Soundgarden sound like similar to Metallica to me Thats just how I interpret them
@themadrapper1012 жыл бұрын
I hate the label "post grunge". Your either grunge or nu metal or both what is it??
@robwalsh98432 жыл бұрын
Actually, STP's music has aged really well. I think their reputation truly improved over the years.They're widely considered one of the best bands of that era. I remember when they dropped the grunge-ish sound on Tiny Music and went for straight sleazy 70's glam rock. Scott Weiland wasn't a reluctant rock star, he wanted people's attention. The DeLeo brothers are great musicians, especially Dean DeLeo's bass playing. And Eric Kretz is a talented drummer and producer. They were a great band.
@meaganscarlette12792 жыл бұрын
I think the real issue is the genre was way overplayed on the radio stations in the 2000s. It wasn't always my cup of tea, but I really started disliking these bands when the local stations basically had them on repeat for years
@vonicrimson36192 жыл бұрын
Same
@jamesleaper71672 жыл бұрын
Couldn't agree more
@vonicrimson36192 жыл бұрын
The fact I started listening to rock and metal in 2018 and noticed this immediately says something lol
@jimmym33522 жыл бұрын
That awkward moment when you like some of the bands on the thumbnail. At least some of those bands had some heaviness (well maybe not Nickleback). Now our local rock radio station (in Las Vegas it's KOMP) plays music that I wouldn't even call rock. Is this what's popular now days? I won't ever listen to it. It doesn't even have guitars. It's more techno than rock now days. So yeah, I liked some of those late 90's bands.
@newdamage59452 жыл бұрын
Yes, I am a huge grunge fan and I was just confused as to why these bands were so popular when they were pretty clearly inferior to the stuff that had come just before it: grunge music itself. Definitely not the worst genre of rock music by any means and there were far worse genres around at the time even but to me post-grunge is more like Diet Soda or Lite Beer. I know it's not anywhere near as good as the real thing. And I should also add that the second wave aka Creed and Nickelback are the ones that I am really talking about.
@juliengpicard Жыл бұрын
Saying 'I hope you wear deodorant' is a very post-grunge thing to say.
@spedcuber178 Жыл бұрын
Grunge and post grunge are just so different from each other, and they evoke different feelings. While post grunge can be corny, sometimes it just hits with my emotional state in a special way. The type of corny/cringe that post grunge emits is like if you are feeling something and don't know how to express it so you just shout out what you are feeling, and then people around you think you are weird and you regret it, but in that short period of time it hits hard.
@sept-do5qe Жыл бұрын
Well said. You found a subject that's hard to describe, and yet you described it well. It's a weird subject - some post grunge is bad, but the good material in post grunge can be very good music.
@jordanyukio3 ай бұрын
Yup this is me with kryptonite lol
@colindavidson64833 ай бұрын
Agree
@stankypitts2 жыл бұрын
I’m 22, dove into Alice In Chains about two years ago and think dirt is one of the most emotionally heavy albums I’ve ever heard and I love it. It feels genuine and really speaks too me
@mstorrboy2 жыл бұрын
I agree with you and there's lots more in their catalogue. Great to see them still being discovered.
@ericsartanahorner2 жыл бұрын
AIC is just plain awesome.
@FairFetzky2 жыл бұрын
Damn bro, with years going by I realized how Self titled AIC album is much grimier and haunting while still maintaining the heaviness. All in all, Love em all
@stankypitts2 жыл бұрын
@@FairFetzky yeah that album has a neat sound, I love sludge factory
@ScottMosier123452 жыл бұрын
AiC is my favorite band, and Dirt is probably still my favorite album.
@joshmcnair41502 жыл бұрын
Grunge was essentially hearing the most painful vocals coming from people that did a lot of heroin, were really nice and funny in person, and also isolated themselves into depression as a side effect or intentionally to write the music that was getting them closer to they’re dreams. Grunge pumped out some masterpieces of tragedy and pain in very abstract ways at the cost of the singer inevitably overdosing or committing suicide.
@artvandelay48 Жыл бұрын
This may sound ridiculous but nirvana and Alice In Chains made me wanna do heroin. They looked cool and it seemed edgy and cool to me, you may laugh but I’m just being honest. I was just a kid. I also blame dare program for making me curious about all drugs. Ever since I heard that people give themselves shots of this drug that makes them feel so good they don’t care that they live under a bridge, I had to know what it felt like. At 12 I knew I would try it someday. And now I’m 33 after 13 years of heroin and meth addiction 2 years clean trying to pick up the pieces of the trail of destruction I left behind. Trying to get myself out of this gigantic hole I dug for myself. Also when I say I blame dare or nirvana made me wanna try heroin, I obviously know it was nobody’s fault but my own. It’s common sense to know that you shouldn’t do heroin but curiosity killed the cat.
@jamesrobertson432 Жыл бұрын
@@artvandelay48m glad you've got clean. I've never done heroin and never will but I can see how the music of those bands could have that influence even though they never said to do drugs. The vibe of that music is a bit self pitying. It makes it seem cool to be depressed etc Some people aren't influenced by music or hardly at all. Other people will be influenced in terms of their thinking and mood. I'm someone who will get affected. I'm at at age when I'll probably get much less affected than when I was younger (I'm 45 now) but the best advice is to be careful about what you put into your brain. That said I've been listening to a lot of grunge lately so I'm not too pedantic but the effect the music can have is something to weigh up for sure. Maybe its time for me to start listening to more positive music again 😊 Look after yourself.
@RandomNonsense1985 Жыл бұрын
Except for Eddie Vedder. He seems to be the sole surviving major grunge frontman.
@joshmcnair4150 Жыл бұрын
@@RandomNonsense1985 that’s very true, Eddie is a pretty grounded guy. Wish the others found that inner hippy.
@robwalsh9843 Жыл бұрын
Every time I see videos of Kurt Cobain, Chris Cornell, Layne Staley and Andrew Wood....they all come across as similar to the normal silly rocker guys I grew up with as a kid. Sometimes reserved, but often humorous and laid back. That's what makes the deaths all the more jarring.
@reim1004 Жыл бұрын
I love Post Grunge and am not afraid to admit it. I proudly play Nickelback, 3 Doors Down, Breaking Benjamin etc. in my car.
@dogewoof62869 ай бұрын
Honesty, I didn't know even post grunge was the most hated genre till now
@spearbomb50709 ай бұрын
I thought BB was alt metal, same with seether
@teejae20659 ай бұрын
Breaking Benjamin was amazing live
@charliem45609 ай бұрын
Same. Creed is good too
@michaelthomson25047 ай бұрын
Same but I do respect his opinions on the genre
@wtfpwnz0red Жыл бұрын
3DG always felt closer to nu metal for me. Their stylings are closer to the metal realm, and in any prefab/commercial act it's the aesthetic that tells you where the marketing is targeted
@christianb1707 Жыл бұрын
same with breaking benjamin imo
@cheesesteak983 Жыл бұрын
@@christianb1707BB and 3DG are the best bands of the 2000s rock movement. If you hate em then idk what to tell you
@christianb1707 Жыл бұрын
@@cheesesteak983 I love them…maybe not as much as I used to, but I still like the music.
@sethwalrod419011 ай бұрын
Yeah there's no doubt about that Three Days Grace is mostly closer to Alternative Metal and Nu Metal, but off of One X I would say a good portion of their songs you could call Post Grunge.
@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsm47082 жыл бұрын
I always found the classism in post grunge to be very interesting and ironic seeing where grunge came from. The grunge scene around Seattle weren’t hipster art school kids. They were relatively low class and yet, the privileged hipster art school crowd got a hold of them and made them popular. Now the lower class, red state rock festival crowd get no respect and the taste makers want nothing to do with them. Probably because a lot of them came from that crowd and left as soon as they could
@ThePunkRockMBA2 жыл бұрын
Well said
@umusuuk2 жыл бұрын
some of you see a poor kid of a single parent wearing dark makeup and think they're born to wealth and then see the kid of a Jet-Ski store owner in a flatbrim and think they're working class.
@josephwalker18532 жыл бұрын
it's weird because the fans of post grunge are poor to middle class folks and the rich art school kids are listening to obscure indie bands.
@alexxartificial2 жыл бұрын
“Probably because a lot of them came from that crowd and left as soon as they could.” Yeah lol, understatement probably
@yourfriendlyneighborhoodsm47082 жыл бұрын
@@alexxartificial We can dive deeper into that too. These kids were the rejects, the outcasts in their small towns. They were often treated as other for not fitting in so they found these communities where they could be themselves. First in music like grunge, diy punk or metalcore, and later in real life when they left their small towns for bigger things in places like New York or LA. So when those people who remind them of the ones who made them feel different or ostracized come in to their scenes or try to do something similar, they have an adverse reaction to it. It doesn’t make it right but when you ad that context, I kind of get it
@devilsrighthandman7692 жыл бұрын
I remember walking into a room full of young ladies singing along to How You Remind Me at full blast, so I asked if they liked nickelback, which they replied "eeewww, no! Gross! "... and kept singing out loud.
@sawtooth8082 жыл бұрын
Ehhh 🤷♂️
@woodside4life2 жыл бұрын
Should’ve taken a Photograph. Alright I’ll see myself out…
@schechter012 жыл бұрын
😆 Self-awareness is not a universal quality, sir.
@CalitmeDiondell2 жыл бұрын
Let me translate what happend there: they didn't want to engage in conversation,so they answer sarcasticaly since a very obvious question was asked and wanted to cut off conversation. It is childish, yes, but I have done that when i REALLY dislike that person.
@devilsrighthandman7692 жыл бұрын
@@CalitmeDiondell trust me, they did NOT, dislike me. They legitimately didn't know they were singing nickelback.
@anthonycook66135 ай бұрын
You criticise post-grunge for being posey, but honestly I felt like the original grunge aesthetic was a pose in itself. In the advertising industry, execs sometimes talk about "anti-marketing marketing". For me, that's what the grunge era mostly was. "Hey, look how authentic we are - we wear sickly green and brown sweaters our mums bought for us, don't wash our hair and don't bother to mix our music properly, 'cause we're REAL, man!" That's not to say I didn't like some of it ... but still. Posing as someone who's just too damn cool to give a shit is still posing. Either way, though, thanks for the video. It was an enjoyable watch 🙂
@earlsfield Жыл бұрын
Hi Fin. I have to say - Stone Temple Pilots do not belong in that "post" bucket. Their best album was released in 1992. Now, the fact is they never got to be as big as the others and more importanly they were not a part of the scene, so even in 92' they have been called a poor people's Pearl Jam- but I cant think of them and say Creed as the same era, even. BTW the "real grunge" idea is so awesome.
@Djarkness2 жыл бұрын
The biggest thing about post-grunge is the record labels' single-minded pursuit of the "next Nirvana". They started signing every band that remotely sounded or looked like them and flooded the market with what we refer to now as post-grunge. Bands like Nickelback and 3 Doors Down have incredibly deep songs, thought provoking songs, and heart breaking songs. Songs that I would put up against anything in grunge with regard to emotional impact and/or societal commentary, but they were buried under the record labels who want more than anything, to make a return on their investment. That is why you get these polished, radio-ready singles like "How You Remind Me", "Someday", "Never Gonna Be Alone" from Nickelback and "When I'm Gone", "Here Without You" and "Let Me Go" by 3 Doors Down. Hidden in their discography are songs about fathers abandoning their families, being bullied, thoughts of suicide and more. I am not trying to refute any of the personality traits that were obviously different, the draw to celebrity status, and lack of social platform or political commentary certainly separated grunge from its aftermath. But like all good and pure things, the almighty dollar pursues, corrupts, mass produces, uses up, and eventually abandons said good and pure things. The hallmark of bands like Nickleback and 3 Doors Down and their longevity is their ability to play ball with the record labels. They produce their polished, panty-dropping singles and fill the rest of their record with their own music. That is why they are still around, and why they continue to draw audiences, listeners, and new fans.
@ZeyTheDaemon6 ай бұрын
This is how I see Nickelback tbh. They have the generic Top 40 Rock chart stuff, but then there's stuff like "Feed The Machine" and "Betrayal" (Act 1 and 3 since there is no 2), the latter of which sounds almost like a Metallica ballad-type thing (Betrayal part 1). Hell, "This Means War" is in Drop A if I recall, so it's pretty damn low.
@nazrulanam58902 жыл бұрын
Post grunge songs actually helped me to discover further in the rock and metal scene and eventually landed me in grunge.
@WocklessGamingforAnimeMoms Жыл бұрын
I got into Black Metal because I saw a kid with an Emperor Back-Patch at a HC Show.
@stpbasss3773 Жыл бұрын
I always thought grunge and post grunge was crap. Nirvana was good though.
@Captain_Neckbeard Жыл бұрын
I feel the same. I listened to Creed, but later got into all kind of rock. I still don't think some of those bands are as terrible as people say.
@iceyplayz3388 Жыл бұрын
so it got you no where. Grunge sucks
@evilelricsonАй бұрын
Early post-grunge wasn't bad anything after silver chair was just over rated.
@ButtersNumber11 Жыл бұрын
Give it another 5-10-15 years however long it is but people will undoubtedly come back to this era and say it’s all amazing
@erickh658711 ай бұрын
Nahh, emo is just as old and people hated that shit. People feel nostalgic for it now
@Rayvn711 ай бұрын
...Um like they already do. And have every single day, since the day the first well-known post-grunge song was released.
@clouds-rb9xt10 ай бұрын
@@Rayvn7I don't see it
@wangson10 ай бұрын
Agreed. Music revolves and revolves and is suddenly critically hailed and as quickly and as suddenly debased by critics...it's a revolving series of genre's getting recognition over the course of time.
@Kuson29 ай бұрын
You can love it or hate it, but lots of Emo music was and continuously stayed popular. MCR is a perfect example of that. People just like to gate keep and base fake identities off shit. If you need an era of music to tell people who you are as a person with nothing else to hold it up, you just lack a real persona im my opinion. Some may even argue, a tool. Music is a blessing, I say play what you like and enjoy.
@darthbango1999 Жыл бұрын
I grew up in the nineties in the Boston area and I don't remember Bush or STP getting hate at all. Bush was one of my favorite bands of the decade... Sixteen Stone is a rock classic. And I'll never forget Gavin Rossdale playing Glycerine solo in the rain at MTV Spring Break. One of the greatest performances in MTV history.
@LoveSpellzFB6 ай бұрын
Bush was and is still a great band
@frankieaglio46746 ай бұрын
Agreed
@threeofeight1975 ай бұрын
Yeah I don’t remember that either. Maybe Bush some because dudes thought Gavin was a pretty boy. ;) I didn’t like STP so much but I was the only one I remember who felt that way. I just didn’t like his voice that much. Little did I know that the post grunge folks would come around to do it even worse than he did!!! Now looking back STP was not that bad comparatively speaking!!!
@ryanscafuri71122 жыл бұрын
“You know it’s kinda crappy, but sometimes it’s just what you want” is the perfect way of describing my relationship with this genre
@cristodimarti2012 жыл бұрын
Staind: I play like the 6-7 hit singles once a year, just for a change, think about family values tour, me in high school, and after 30min, back to reality, that's it.
@ryanscafuri71122 жыл бұрын
@@cristodimarti201 this is me with lifehouse
@robwalsh98432 жыл бұрын
I like early Days of the New stuff. It's like a goofy Kentucky Alice In Chains Jr., but it scratches the itch.
@SoundMuzak2 жыл бұрын
@@cristodimarti201 Staind's unplugged is pretty good, I think they are at their best when the go quieter like with their single "It's Been Awhile"
@CDix-zg1bu2 жыл бұрын
This genre is like the 18 rack of light beer.
@PowercellZeke2 жыл бұрын
SIlverchair was a pretty special case imo. They released their first album when they were 15, clearly wearing their influences on their sleeves, and the songs were pretty good. Their second album got considerably heavier, but by the time their third album came out in 1999, they had truly grown into their own style. Their fourth and fifth albums just kept evolving their sound into something new, something truly artistic. All you'd have to do is listen to Israel's Son from their first album, and compare it to Across the Night on their fourth to understand just how far they evolved.
@elishifter79952 жыл бұрын
I love frogstomp. The fanatic frogstomp, freakshow and neon ballroom.. and thennn?? They're break death.
@paulrainey49902 жыл бұрын
Most definitely! Frogstomp has a strange endearing quality. As you said, they were wearing their influences on their sleeves, Daniel Johns couldn't hold pitch if he had a velcro glove, and the production kind of has this self-conscious lofi quality to it, but the songs were definitely there. A lot of the subject matter was pretty deep, especially coming from a band that was literally so young. They really hit their stride with Neon Ballroom. I still remember Johns first coming out about going through anorexia. Back then, a celebrity putting them out there in such a vulnerable way like he did wasn't something that happened.
@samcourt62282 жыл бұрын
I love Frogstomp. I think it’s a great album, it’s one that I still listen to a lot. Pretty impressive given how young they were.
@voltron888882 жыл бұрын
Silverchair definitely shouldn't be grouped in with these other post-grunge bands. Their sound changed drastically over the years, but each album was incredible in its own way. People are still passionate about them and much of their work still holds up well.
@PowercellZeke2 жыл бұрын
@@voltron88888 For sure. When I think Silverchair, I think of Neon Ballroom and Diorama first and foremost
@starfallmusicaus Жыл бұрын
I know they weren't mentioned much in the vid but I have to come to bat for my boys in Seether because they 100% have the necessary grunge elements that set them way apart from Nickleback and Creed. A short read through Shaun Morgan's history shows that he absolutely doesn't share the superficialities of most of their peers and a lot of his material comes from exceptionally dark life experiences. I'm never going to say they were on the same level as Nirvana (who Shaun openly states he took influence from) but I think Seether took that and evolved it into something different. Even Broken is something Shaun treated as a catch 22 given that Evanescence was a large part of the reason for that songs success (written for his daughter, was never meant to be a love song). There was always going to be commercialised tracks given that record labels will do what they do to keep any modicum of success rolling. I think Seether are wildly underrated and I definitely count them amongst my greatest influences if for no other reason than the brutal honesty of the music, not to mention they were my gateway into Metal.
@frozendilemma Жыл бұрын
Dude, their song Remedy blew me away as a kid. Still listen to it every now and then along with Fake It and Broken
@kimmi6180 Жыл бұрын
Seether is so good! For me they were a band that got me into rock music. It’s crazy to think we were singing those songs at a young age not really understanding what they were about
@ZeyTheDaemon6 ай бұрын
Seether definitely has music that veers all over the alternative scene for sure. Shaun is a damn good songwriter who has range (both vocally and lyrically). You have something like Fine Again, and then you have Dead And Gone which is like 85% him screaming.
@wadecampbell63384 ай бұрын
I really like a lot of songs by them tbh, the only problem I’ve had with them is sometimes the radio plays their music WAAYYY too much. Like yes we get it Fake it is a good song but god damn play remedy or breakdown, but that’s not the band’s fault it’s just extremely overplayed.
@ZeyTheDaemon4 ай бұрын
@@wadecampbell6338 I love Remedy. I heard it when it was a new song back in the day, and I spent years trying to find it. I couldn't remember the name, but I remembered the melody for all those years, lol
@christophercavill26643 ай бұрын
Yes, I'll say it. Creed saved my life. I was a troubled youth and in a juvenile detention facility when My Own Prison came out. Imagine being a young kid, locked up in a facility listening to My Own Prison on a crappy battery powered radio, while LITERALLY sitting in an actual prison, of my own making (due to behavior). It was impactful to say the least. Creed was the reason I learned to play guitar, and shaped the way I play. Creed probably impacted my life more than I can quantify. At 40, listening to My own Prison still hits me in a special way. D chords hit me in a different way. I get the hate, and realize I'm in a minority, but Creed will always be a special band to me.
@truthseeker51202 жыл бұрын
Silverchairs frogstomp is a freaking masterpiece for its time.
@whenfatkillsfat8032 жыл бұрын
Some of those songs border on metal like Israel's Song.
@jackko212 жыл бұрын
@@whenfatkillsfat803 madman aswell leave me out
@papitads10662 жыл бұрын
@@whenfatkillsfat803 gives me early Metallica vibes
@numetal4all8182 жыл бұрын
All silverchair is superior
@papitads10662 жыл бұрын
@@numetal4all818 facts bro they’re highly underrated and people write them off because they were teens which is even more impressive
@pb126612 жыл бұрын
Creed wrote great songs and Tremonti is a beast on guitar. A lot of "cool" people decided Creed wasn't "cool" because they THOUGHT they were a Christian band and became too popular. But their music has stood up well over time.
@JLBribiesca Жыл бұрын
First album was good, the arrangements and songwriting were interesting and authentic. The problem was the Higher era and thereafter… overproduced over-commercialized and highly formulaic music that sounded no different than all the other post-grunge bands. I didn’t have to hear the critics to let me dislike most of this genre, I made my own conclusions based solely on the poor/derivative songwriting
@RandomNonsense1985 Жыл бұрын
Tremonti’s guitar skills and Stapp’s lyrics aside, Creed just sounded like ass to my ears. Hearing that sound on the radio just made me want to blast Barenaked Ladies and Semisonic.
@ryanbaer3997 Жыл бұрын
Creed wasn't cool because Scott Stapp was an abject douchebag proselytizing Christianity while not living Christian values. Their music is as horrible today as it ever was. And they were DEFINITELY a Christian band.
@colechung7806 Жыл бұрын
@Random Nonsense I don't think they are that bad tbh they aren't my favorites but they aren't terrible either personally I prefer Alter Bridge than Creed but Creed fit the late 90s and early 2000s scene well I don't think they aged well though because I can't imagine a similar vibe today
@54raynor Жыл бұрын
I stand by My Own Prison as a genuinely great album. But Human Clay saw Creed gravitating toward engineering songs for the radio rather than creating them, and it was obvious enough on Weathered that the public turned on the band. Also, Scott Stapp was increasingly a giant douche.
@scentfulapprentice7274 Жыл бұрын
I've always liked Staind and like two songs from Nickelback. I don't know if Seether counts but I love them. I don't think post-grunge is necessarily a bad genre.
@konheeed10 ай бұрын
Nickelback was at their beginnings really a grunge alternative band. Take albums like curb, or the state. Even silver side up has some good tracks beside how you remind me. After silver side up Nickelback became more and more mainstream and sounded in someway a bit like bon jovi. Nevertheless I think they are a great post grunge band because their style is unique. They dont cover the first grunge bands eg nirvana. Puddle of Mudd is a worse example of how bands try to imitate Kurt Cobain and Nirvana. At first the look and then the songs. Staind are okay Well they were huge influenced by alice in chains as well also moreover nickelback but both bands have their own unique style. They dont try to imitate other bands. A worse example of imitating nirvana nowadays is limp bizikit and fred durst. Why they do it ? From my point of view they have no ideas anymore of writing songs....
@lizard119310 ай бұрын
Staind are brilliant.
@konheeed10 ай бұрын
@@lizard1193 Its been awhile, outside or mudshovel are good alternative rock classics
@andrewmacleod620 Жыл бұрын
There was a trend on TikTok a little while ago where people made videos about it being cool to hate Nickelback, but they secretly love them and were basically “coming out” as fans. The awesome part was Nickelback themselves were actually commenting on the videos and offering them tickets to see them live. It came across as really endearing. Chad Kroger seems like a genuinely nice guy and though I won’t go around bragging about it, I’ll always be a Nickelback fan.
@carpenoctem775 Жыл бұрын
The hate was a bandwagon thing. Some only pretended to hate em just to follow the crowd. The same idiots probably listen to pop music. smh…. I’m not a fan, but I never got the excessive criticism.
@TheStoody Жыл бұрын
I really like The State album by Nickelback
@sethwalrod419011 ай бұрын
All The Right Reasons is my favorite one.
@tylere.84367 ай бұрын
@@sethwalrod4190 I personally prefer The Long Road.
@sethwalrod41907 ай бұрын
@@tylere.8436 That's a really good one too! ,Also great album for heading west on road trips.
@jasonashley98532 жыл бұрын
I really don't understand how someone can't respect Seether. I mean I've always felt that the lyrics to their songs were very solid. The radio stuff was good but wasn't the best they had to offer. A lot of the album tracks were bangers.
@s0m3cunt912 жыл бұрын
They do so many Nirvana covers too, so mentioning them here is somewhat Ironic.
@NoName-cz3wn2 жыл бұрын
Fine Again is a really great song.
@Taylor-ou7xp2 жыл бұрын
Amen bro I went through their early catalog and I really enjoyed Karma and Effect. Aside from the obvious songs written to be radio friendly there are some very very good songs like truth, don't leave me and plastic man. I'd say out of the post grunge scene they are one of the more solid and "hard working" bands togheter with Shinedown Of course I am not talking about stone temple pilots cause to consider them post grunge is heresy Idk what the fuck this guy is on about, they are up there with the seattle scene bands
@habijjj2 жыл бұрын
@@Sheepmansheep that'd such a weird way to go about things they should be judged by their own merrits.
@jtwilliams88952 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I love them. But songs like Gasoline and Country Song are both kinda lame. Which is fine, except for they seem to play mainly this old radio stuff live in concert, and they like to tour as openers for bands like Three Doors Down 😬 and at big rock festivals, which means if you want to see them, you’re overpaying for bands you don’t care to see. Which I’m doing next week when they open for Breaking Benjamin- who I can’t get into
@3a.m.2842 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you gave silverchair the credit they deserved, their first two albums frogstomp and freak show are 100% grunge to me
@metalboy5150 Жыл бұрын
It irritates me to hear Silverchair compared unfavorably to Nirvana. I'll grant you that Daniel Johns and Co. were obviously fans (especially given where their name came from), but Silverchair showed more growth and evolution over their first 3 albums than Nirvana managed to. I'm just sayin'. Honestly, I realize that Nirvana was very important to that period, but honestly, I think they're overrated. On the other hand, Silverchair is very UNDERrated. Also, Finn, in what universe were STP considered post grunge instead of grunge? And Candlebox were absolutely hit with the grunge label, mainly because they were from Seattle.
@davidmcdonald3780 Жыл бұрын
@@metalboy5150 I could be wrong (probably am) but I thought they got their name from “Berlin Chair” a song by You Am I.. and also “Sliverfuck” a song by The Smashing Pumpkins and they combined it to make “Sliverchair”but the place they were playing at misspelt their name and they ended up as Silverchair? As I said I could be wrong but where did you hear the name came from? Relating with Nirvana?
@memyself3510 Жыл бұрын
I thought silverchair’s name came from the book in the Narnia series
@metalboy5150 Жыл бұрын
@@davidmcdonald3780 I was given to understand that the "silver" part was an intentional corruption of "Sliver," by Nirvana. I don't really remember for sure where I read it, I *think* it was on the "Greatest Hits Vol. 1" liner notes. The "Berlin Chair" part you're right on about. Of course, as you said, I could be completely wrong about the Nirvana thing, and if so, all apologies. 😉
@metalboy5150 Жыл бұрын
@@memyself3510 No. Great book, great series, classic fantasy, but no.
@doisenwadzinski6171 Жыл бұрын
Staind was an amazing band. Their first album is legit. I’m happy I got to see them live. I also enjoy Seether. Breaking Benjamin was also a great band and I love their drummer as a drummer myself.
@caidenh04 Жыл бұрын
To me Staind is easily the best post-grunge band.
@noyesyesno5345 Жыл бұрын
breaking ben was cool til ben lost his shit and fired the band. they are cheesy as shit now. so is the the new drummer, he got mad at me on here cause i mentioned how rough his timing was. weak. jeremy and chad were aces.
@psyberdelicxp6042 Жыл бұрын
Saw Staind live. Was really good. Not the best. Not the worst. Bought 1 of thier CD. I actually unironically liked CREEDS my own prison. They went off the rails after that.
@sethwalrod419011 ай бұрын
I don't know about that Nickelback is a very, very good one too.
@macias7125 Жыл бұрын
This genre is literally underrated and honestly it's my favorite I never understood get the hate it gets. It's a very unique sound and very addicting
@MrThedonhead Жыл бұрын
You must be joking
@Agetha_thevirus_3 Жыл бұрын
It's probably not my favorite, but I absolutely love this genre. So be it.
@sethwalrod419011 ай бұрын
Yes I 100% agree with you, I could listen to this genre every day and night.
@macias712511 ай бұрын
@@MrThedonhead no
@ezcu173311 ай бұрын
@@adrianacev7579 music is always copying something that came before, it has always been so and it will always be so
@ch3rri2 жыл бұрын
one of adam sandler's defining bits on his snl years was him literally doing a cartoonish imitation of eddie vedder so scott stapp was on the same musical level as adam sandler but sandler did an acoustic performance with deftones so sandler has more music cred than stapp
@thedownwardmachine2 жыл бұрын
Yeah but don’t forget, in this channel Deftones bad!
@erichramone78122 жыл бұрын
“Hey give me back my voice”
@mson9252 жыл бұрын
@@thedownwardmachine Who called deftones bad? Just a tad overrated and for sure overhyped by fans
@pewsterbaby2 жыл бұрын
It kills me that his Evenflow bit has never been on You Tube. I dunno why, but it's under lock and key for some reason? I saw it live on tv in early '92 and it was hilarious.
@martinbabich19202 жыл бұрын
Disagree
@aaronwolf42112 жыл бұрын
I think there’s a huge nuanced distinction between what is really “post-grunge” (ie Bush, Silverchair, Live, etc.) and the bands that came after (ie Creed, Nickelback, Default, etc.), in which the latter aren’t really post-grunge at all but simply “modern alt rock” or the broader category “butt rock”. To call Creed and Nickelback “post-grunge” is an insult to the bands that really were post-grunge or grunge-adjacent. I also lump STP and Candlebox in with grunge because although they aren’t out of Seattle, they arose from the same period of time and were from the same general scene.
@z777luck777z2 жыл бұрын
Candlebox is out of Seattle, they were just much younger than their contemporaries.
@joeybatmania93272 жыл бұрын
@@z777luck777z Also Candlebox wrote like general radio hard-rockers. If they’d come up five years earlier, they’d have had teased mullets and spandex
@pekkapietikainen73482 жыл бұрын
THIS. I’ve always considered bands like Bush, Silverchair and Live as post-grunge, because even lacking that original spark, they more or less share the same musical, lyrical and overall artistic sensibilities as the early 90’s Seattle bands. To me, Creed, Puddle of Mudd etc. fall squarely into the Butt Rock genre, that is, they are true spiritual descendents of 80’s vapid glam metal bands, even if they have copied some superficial aspects of their sound from grunge bands.
@thefallenfaith19862 жыл бұрын
@@joeybatmania9327 Say what now? Far Behind is pretty much in tune with the spitrit of grunge.
@thefallenfaith19862 жыл бұрын
@@pekkapietikainen7348 I'd put Catherine Wheel and Ned's Atomic Dustbin in the "authentic post-grunge" category as well, even though they were British and simply riding the wave.
@foxman88823 ай бұрын
Loser by 3 doors down is incredibly underrated. I’m not a Post Grunge fan but Loser is really hard hitting. I remember my dad playing it while I was young and I liked it but now I’m in my 20’s and I can understand it a little better and it’s relatable because I was and maybe still am a loser. I was beat up in middle school and made fun of by people who said they were my friends and people who treat people like losers never change so even though I’m out of school and out of my hometown there’s still people out there who’ll treat me like a loser. So I’ll be the one guy in his early twenties who’s glad they rediscovered 3 doors down.
@Alex_Andes Жыл бұрын
Silverchair had an edgy thing going on in their sound because they sounded like if they wanted to be a bit more heavy metal than grunge (at least in their first album, which I love). They were super young too, so their sound was quite fresh despite the comparison to grunge. Maybe they listened to more Bleach than Nevermind.
@PinkTorpedo9092 жыл бұрын
My wife’s uncle was in a Creed cover band and they played at my wedding. It was awful!
@aguy52742 жыл бұрын
Nice :)
@riverplate01012 жыл бұрын
I am sorry
@mikeymountain892 жыл бұрын
How did that happened? I can't imagine hearing Music I don't like at my wedding
@freeman70792 жыл бұрын
🤦♂️ then why did you hire them dummy?
@mikeymountain892 жыл бұрын
@@freeman7079 you know, Brides are the boss at that kind of events, since the dude is the Bride's uncle, well, you know the resto...
@jaredgunderson65302 жыл бұрын
Three days grace was one of my favorite bands when I was in high school, and I really liked the whole post grunge scene around that time. Now it’s more of a nostalgia thing for me, but I’ll always love it.
@kingexclusivo2 жыл бұрын
It’s so good. I don’t know why this guy hates it. And I’m a fan of Finn, but this genre does nothing wrong, lyrics are deep and sound is hard
@therealkakitron2 жыл бұрын
@The Coin Has A Say gotta agree with you there. Adam's voice, in my opinion is one of the best in rock. I had the opportunity to play with my band in Vancouver back in the early 2000's sharing the stage with 3DG, and Adam's singing live was so good. Pretty nice guys too. It's info they parted ways, but I'll always like that era of their band.
@TheSuburban152 жыл бұрын
One X is one of my favorite albums.
@kingexclusivo2 жыл бұрын
@The Coin Has A Say wtf Three Days Grace instrumentals go berserk in their first 2 albums. Definitely not generic, but Adam does have one of the best voices ever.
@1mlb7042 жыл бұрын
Same, I was really into TDG in high school. I still love the first three albums (especially the first one), Transit of Venus was pretty disappointing then Adam left and got replaced by Matt Walst, who I do not like.
@Charleshudspeth Жыл бұрын
Silver chair is really good. It's a shame they split up. Their music kind of morphed the older they got but in a cool way. I enjoyed their first 2 albums even back then. But the stuff they did after that was always cool to see how they changed up as they got older.
@tybooskie Жыл бұрын
AIC was a metal band. STP were alt rock. They got slapped with the grunge label and it just stuck.
@mick98502 жыл бұрын
Silverchair were 14 when Daniel wrote their first album and their sound evolved wildly over the years. It wasn't for me at the time, but listening back now I massively respect Daniel Johns' talent and enjoy the music. I'm from the same town as the band, and unfortunately will never have the op to see them live. I really hope Daniel can find some peace out of the spotlight.
@Agetha_thevirus_3 Жыл бұрын
He's a genius. The man is tormented, and I really hope he pushes through.
@threeofeight1975 ай бұрын
I loved Silverchair!
@highlyevolv3d2 жыл бұрын
Silverchair developed into one of the greatest songwriting bands true talents. They rose above and beyond the grunge stereotype and are far better than any of the ‘post grunge’ bands you mentioned here.
@dasiajb2 жыл бұрын
THIS!!!!!!
@capicityforgood2582 жыл бұрын
And then they came out with the young modern. And their legacy was forever tarnished.
@capicityforgood2582 жыл бұрын
And oh yeah... Daniel John's can't sing for shittzs anymore.
@Cagney682 жыл бұрын
"The water is very hard to drink"?
@elishifter79952 жыл бұрын
Frogstomp, freakshow and neon ballroom is true talents.. after that is loser albums
@soul1984vic6 ай бұрын
that Frogstomp album was really good it blew my mind they were so young
@Habeev0711 ай бұрын
Love how hard that hits shortly after 8:24 in their song: "And I've been wrong. I've been down, to the bottom of every bottle!". Im 34 and this era holds a special place. I appreciate Nickleback, Everclear, Staind, etc.
@Cyberplayer13372 жыл бұрын
Silverchair is an amazing band, and the way they infused Orchestral elements into Neon Ballroom and Diorama was really pushing some interesting boundaries.
@Robyn_iz_Here Жыл бұрын
Silverchair is severely underrated
@headwerkn Жыл бұрын
Silverchair definitely blossomed into their own unique and very awesome sound by the time of Diorama, but early on… well, the name ‘Nirvana In Pyjamas’ was kinda apt ;-)
@usualunknown1950 Жыл бұрын
The first album isn't bad... Freak Show has a few good songs...
@joannayannotti9076 Жыл бұрын
100% Silverchair is GREAT
@YoungMommy14 Жыл бұрын
I agree... They improved as they matured. Their first two albums are decent, but that was not their 'creative peak'. I think the lead singer (I forgot his name) references 'Coldsore Cream' in like 3 different songs.
@smm_spence44142 жыл бұрын
Funny enough, I noticed that 3 Doors Down was coming to my hometown with Seether last summer. I knew some of their hits, and decided to give both bands a listen. I convinced my brother to check em out as well. We went to the show and took some friends with us. We all had a blast. We are 22 and 21 years old at the time of the concert, and in that moment of time we both became MASSIVE 3 Doors Down and Seether fans. I hope that can count for something lol
@brotherlittlefoot22162 жыл бұрын
Go listen to bands like Type O Negative,Faith No More,Pantera,Megadeth,etc...,and u will hear and feel the difference .I'm not a hater,but there's just a level of depth that some bands from the early 90s reached that later bands were not able to.It's more than just a good time;it's majick.
@smm_spence44142 жыл бұрын
@@brotherlittlefoot2216 make no mistake, I’m well immersed in all those bands you mentioned, and then some
@martinsanchez48272 жыл бұрын
I do listen to them regularly purely due to nostalgia and it's what I like, ignoring all the music elitist rhetoric. Both the bands you named are great bands, listen to what you like and ignore the trolls👍🏼
@emanuelbaltazar65232 жыл бұрын
Seether rules! Love the composition and lyrics. Check out the last álbum 💪👌🏻
@ryancoke25192 жыл бұрын
I saw Nickelback on their very first Canadian tour in my small city hometown in NW Alberta. Had a blast. Their debut silver side up is a certified BANGER!!! matchbox 20 was a good time too. Likely most of the metalheads who diss the bands mentioned in this video do not realize how good a time they are missing
@mutantlabor Жыл бұрын
Couldn’t disagree more. Everyone I know that is my age (41) loves looking back on this post grunge era fondly. Bush still gets played regularly around my parts. To each their own but it’s hard to say “nobody respects this era” and “they still gets hundreds of thousands of plays a month” in the same thesis.
@rylandduffield5419 Жыл бұрын
Bush were such a weird band. British band, Massive for a while in America who had nearly no impact in the UK
@wyattcole5452 Жыл бұрын
Im 17 and I love Bush and Creed, and Puddle of Mudd isnt bad but not rlly My style
@wyattcole5452 Жыл бұрын
@@rylandduffield5419 what was weird about them?
@tdkcampbell Жыл бұрын
Bush was a great band, I don't get why they are lumped in with bands like puddle of mudd
@abjames3098 Жыл бұрын
@@rylandduffield5419 yet they have hit after hit after hit.. machinehead, glycerine, chemicals between us, comedown, swallowed, little things, mouth, cold contagious, greedy fly, warm machine, letting the cables sleep.. the list goes on..
@TheBriguy33 Жыл бұрын
Still love the grunge era and those bands were my go to in my high school days. Pearl Jam's Ten and Alice In Chains Dirt, are 2 of my fav albums from that era. We also were treated to MTV Unplugged back then. I'm remembering bands back in the late 90's/early 2000's, like Finger Eleven, Submersed, Flaw, Cold, Crossfade, Linkin Park, Trapt, Trust Company, Saliva, among others. Still some great music.
@thelpfen2 жыл бұрын
When it comes to Post-Grunge the first thing that comes to mind is Foo Fighters's first album. In my opinion Dave managed to capture that "post grunge" feel to perfection especially with the song " Exhausted" instrumentaly it still sounded "grungy" but the lyrics weren't dark and depressing. Grunge was in decline since 1993 and Kurt's death put a complete end to it it was time for something different and the Foos were the beginning.
@geraldinaportillo35022 жыл бұрын
Cuando pienso en post grungre, no pienso en Foo Fighters´s in that´s what I love about Dave after everything he didn´t do the same thing... he did somethind different
@seanmckelvey66182 жыл бұрын
I'm Aussie, so Silverchair is regarded as something of a "hometown hero" for a lot of people down here. I've always enjoyed them & I kind of enjoy the first Bush album as well. I'll hand in my internet music fan cred at the door.
@ericsartanahorner2 жыл бұрын
Silverchair was legit. Hell yeah.
@jennyanydots23892 жыл бұрын
What does kangaroo meat taste like?
@DaveMustang742 жыл бұрын
I'm keeping my card. You should too. Lol
@DaveMustang742 жыл бұрын
@@jennyanydots2389 chicken, I bet. 🤣
@jennyanydots23892 жыл бұрын
@@DaveMustang74 Chicken tastes like aborted fetal meats. I imagine the 'roo tastes different than that.
@ifyoureadthisyoudi Жыл бұрын
Alter Bridge was labelled post-grunge during their early carrier. Great band.
@LuizFelipe-kv9mf Жыл бұрын
Only the first album because they still have a contract with the label wind up.
@SeanChandlerTalksAbout Жыл бұрын
15:47 Actually I did have a friend in the early 00s who said Creed's "One Last Breathe" coming on the radar pulled him back from some suicidal thoughts. And this guy was not at all the typical Creed fan or anything. He was a ska and punk fan well after the peak of the 3rd wave.
@FishinPhreak2 жыл бұрын
I was 16 when Nevermind, Dirt and Mother Love Bone came out. As a 16 year old in 1992, I latched on to the "dark" nature of grunge. It was fitting for my thoughts and feelings. By 2001 or 2002, I was sick of being depressed and high. I think this ethos is the main reason post-grunge was successful even to a fan of the grunge movement. I, as a lot of other people, were sick of feeling down all of the time and somewhat upbeat nature of the lyrics were a relief from years of negative, downer shit while maintaining some of the same qualities of the grunge sound. Now that I am 45 and don't let lyrics dictate my life, I find myself listening to 1992 more than I do 2002, but that's not to say I don't go back and forth. I feel like I'm probably not alone in this opinion.
@burner3 Жыл бұрын
Those 3 items you listed all came out at different times. However, you are correct in a roundabout way. They all recorded their debut albums pretty close to same time in 1989.
@elus89 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, in a way, Grunge killed itself, and it was always going to kill itself. I get that grunge as an influence was good for music, but in the long term 'post-grunge' (or IMO just regular hard rock with certain similar sound elements) is better. There may be a time and place for grunge, but it should never have dominated due to its inherent depressed nature.
@kommisar. Жыл бұрын
I feel that post-grunge was successful because it took some of the elements that made grunge great and added some other elements that watered it down but were more accessible. I think the lightness or "happiness" element that was increased in post-grunge is one of them. Simultaneously, I think the genuinely greater heaviness or "darkness" of the original grunge was embraced so quickly because the mainstream music industry had just become oversaturated by all the super sappy, upbeat hair metal and new wave. People were just sick of it at that point, and this stuff that was never meant to be cool or mainstream came along and it was just so refreshing for people. Like so trends often go though, things swing back and forth, and timing is everything. If grunge had come out some years later or some years earlier, it probably would have been relegated back to some niche market and not be nearly as popular.
@ebythebeach Жыл бұрын
well written...I'm a year older than you so I get bro! GNR went from cool to lame and OFFSPRING, STP, PJ, SoundGarden, Helmet, Hole, Alice IC and NIRVANA were a breath of real air. I always say music died w/ Kurt. Not totally true, but close. TOOL is the only band from college to now that I can think of that's great.
@frankkkbard0n315 Жыл бұрын
@@ebythebeach guns roses released most of their hits in the grunge era. Use your ilusion 1 & 2 were two Double records at the time and it was realeased in 91 at the same time Grunge made it big. It didnt impact them at all, they were still huge in 91, 92,
@ScottGarrettDrums2 жыл бұрын
I was a freshman in high school when "Smells Like Teen Spirit" broke and Nirvana became one of my favorite bands overnight. I also liked and still like a lot of the post grunge bands. It's music. People spend way too much time worrying about what genre this band or that band is, that they just don't take the time to actually listen to the music. This is what a lot of people find out in their 40s. All of that music you were too cool / too good to listen to 20-30 years ago is actually pretty good once you give it an honest chance.
@Corn_Pone_Flicks2 жыл бұрын
I don't buy it...listening to the music is HOW I determine that I do or don't like them. It came on the radio, I heard it, thought, "This sucks," and that was it...how hard am I supposed to listen to something to try and find something worthwhile in it?
@bb-gc2tx2 жыл бұрын
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks creed and nickleback should play along with the joke they should tour together and call it the tell it to our face tour just the name of the tour would get a lot of press and i bet they would do good business
@ELLHNIKA2 жыл бұрын
The way I feel about indie
@izzycollins74182 жыл бұрын
I'm 29 and when I was growing up, I was " too cool " to listen to Green Day, Blink 182, Fall Out Boy, or any Pop Punk bands. To me, CheVelle, Staind, Breaking Benjamin, Korn, Linkin Park, Crossfade, Blue October, Hinder, Three Days Grace, Puddle of Mudd, Seether, Papa Roach, etc.....anything Post Grunge was cool. Lol. But it wasn't really about the genre......it was about the way the music sounded. I wanted music that sounded the way I felt inside. Blink 182's music was too happy for me. I'll listen to them now though, at 29.
@artbymiwsher2 жыл бұрын
👍🏼👍🏼 Music is music. I don't really care for you elitism on display in videos like this
@inmindcanidate1884 Жыл бұрын
Don't listen to others..Listen at what you WANT DUDE,,,DON'T PUT YOURSELF IN CATEGORIES.SSCREW THE CRIDITS...
@christoph119872 ай бұрын
Grunge, especially "Alice in Chains" helped me through the darkest time of my life. It's kind of weird that "Dirt" in particular gave me the feeling that I wasn't alone. On the one hand playing with my band was kind of a therapy. On the other hand it was the time I started using more often and AIC especially Layne Staley's vocals helped me feeling less alone. Still trying to quit. Music can help you a lot but you have to do the hard work still by yourself. My respect to everyone who made it. You are awesome. 😊
@dkarahtee53402 жыл бұрын
Finn, I'm seeing a trend that needs to be addressed. Stone Temple Pilots album - Core came out in 1992. Less than a year after Nevermind. I'm wondering why I keep hearing people say that STP were just posers when they were right there in the beginning. Yes they were from CA, and Kurt was from WA, but that sound was traveling everywhere at that time. Just saying. I think the STP hate should stop.
@IzunaSlap2 жыл бұрын
Eddie Vedder was from San Diego. People do overestimate the importance of a grunge artist actually being from Seattle.
@the_chandler2 жыл бұрын
I kind of think of STP as being the +1 of the big 4. They were big, and they were...grunge or at least grunge-adjacent, but they were also something else. They had a little bit of that sunset strip, post-hair metal, Whisky-A-Go-Go (but well past it's prime) kinda grime. They were the Hollywood Grunge. Authentically sleazed-out. Halfway between Nirvana and Skid Row. And one of my all-time favorite bands.
@justinleckband92812 жыл бұрын
When Sex Type Thing first appeared on MTV I thought it was Eddie Vedder with short hair
@chrisalcatraz2 жыл бұрын
I think STP for me had a notably lighter tone in their song lyrics than the rest of the big 4. Soundgarden, Nirvana and AIC all had VERY dark lyrics and STP could match the heavy musicality at times but they often had catchier vocals as well as some super catchy music that was more accessible. slightly different vibe but a contemporary nonetheless
@sextonhardcastle19402 жыл бұрын
A lot of that album was constructed 89-91
@QTIP952 жыл бұрын
I still love Seether to this day. They are one of the few bands in this space with a lot to say. A lot of their songs are about mental health/suicide and those types of things. Absolutely great band
@tom-noellschneider56242 жыл бұрын
definately. I really love Seether. Such a great band. In general I have to say that post grunge bands can sound pretty good. TDC and Seether really brought me into this music and they are both lyricwise and instrumentally very good. And I also think their lyrics are darker and generally about serious negative things.
@crazydud33802 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Seether is not my thing, but I respect them. They're legit. Even the worst genres have some highlights . . . even ska (just don't tell Finn, LOL)!
@1mlb7042 жыл бұрын
Agreed, Seether is one of my favorites of the post-grunge era. Shaun Morgan seems very cool and authentic too, and he's said before that he learned to play guitar by playing along to Nevermind
@mosesmcmuffin47172 жыл бұрын
Seether absolutely rules and has yet to make bad music. If anything, they just keep getting better with age and experience. And they've been around 20 years and still making hits, so they gotta be doing something right.
@Zimuahaha2 жыл бұрын
I really like their new album!
@trevoryeo559 Жыл бұрын
I will say even though I went through a metal phase in my teens I remember growing up listening to bands like Nickelback and Three Doors Down , I actually remember watching the all star home run thing when Three Doors Down played and I remember loving them. I literally remember breaking my moms Creed cd because I played it so much but I also love Nirvana . I think bands like Shinedown , Nickelback and Three Days Grace and others bring me back to better days
@eqx7168 Жыл бұрын
In central and NE Pennsylvania a lot of these bands are very popular, and were especially so in the mid- too late 2000's early 2010s when I was in high school and middle school. Breaking Benjamin is from my hometown. My friend circle was heavily into the top 4 grunge bands of Seattle and acted like hipsters about what with real grunge and not, thank god we grew up. Before I started playing music in like 2005 I love to listen to a lot of this music especially Breaking Benjamin. But then when we got into the big 4 of Seattle started being gatekeepers about that stuff in my friend group. We accepted stuff like Stone Temple Pilots Smashing Pumpkins, even Bush 2 some degree. Really anything before like 1997 we considered to be real. Once we started drinking more alcohol instead of only marijuana we started to accept post-grunge because of the Nostalgia it brought us from our childhood. I noticed that most people in my area aren't into music history and don't have that sort of punkish aesthetic in opinions about authenticity. They just enjoy music for what and don't have time to think about commercialization and all that garbage. When I was working construction in the mid 2010's you will go to a job site around Wilkes-Barre or somewhere In sticks like Shamokin and there would be a radio playing 97 9x from Wilkes-Barre which is basically just a repeating lineup of grunge and assorted other rock music, going back as far as the 60 ft mostly focusing on 90s alternative, grunge, metal, and post-grunge then you strike up a conversation with a guy 10 years order and he says he lost his virginity while some random song by Creed played in a car next to the Susquehanna River. But then you'd also talk about Tool and Pearl Jam, and the "real" music too
@dave0116792 жыл бұрын
One of the things I've learned traveling the country is that there's a lot of places where time moves a lot slower. Trends in music, fashion and entertainment in general often take time to reach certain areas. This is why a lot of these post grunge bands remain popular despite the fact that most of the music scene crowd moved on from it years ago. Honestly, if 3 doors down is still selling out shows in Biloxi or Toledo, good for them. There's always going to be a place for super generic butt rock .
@dan.r92202 жыл бұрын
South Parks joke about Iowa being years behind is very very real.
@phaaaze99842 жыл бұрын
As someone who just traveled across the country twice this is so true. I felt like I stepped in a time machine to 10-15 years ago in some places. It was like whiplash being from Philly, and then staying in LA, but seeing all these small towns inbetween
@dan.r92202 жыл бұрын
@@phaaaze9984 I'm from Minneapolis and my family always drove to our vacation(I went everywhere from Montana and Colorado for ski trips, to Boston, Flordia, New Orleans, and southern Texas). I have family that lived in Cincinnati and the adjacent Kentucky city. I quickly learned the United States is 2 completely different countries that move at 2 completely different speeds and mostly the cultures never intersect. You have major cities and the surrounding 40 miles, then EVERY OTHER SQUARE MILE of the united states.
@VMpastore2 жыл бұрын
I definitely agree. I moved from Philly to middle Georgia and lived there for about 5 years. When my wife and I first got there in 2012 there were still a significant amount of Blockbusters in the area. I couldn’t believe it haha
@russellszabadosaka5-pindin8492 жыл бұрын
Upstate New York fits the bill, any place north of Exit 15 on the New York State Thruway is like slipping through a breach in the spacetime continuum. And that’s only 50 miles north of New York City. (shudder)
@miguelz57592 жыл бұрын
I love post grudge because of artist like breaking Benjamin and Seether. I felt they brought something new and exciting to the table back in the 2000’s. They weren’t reinventing the wheel like nirvana sure, but if we’re being honest most bands out there aren’t either and they brought great song writing and really well performing sets. I think people hate on post-grudge because many artist in that era were making pop sounding Emoish music and trying to sell it as post-grunge when it’s more sad pop rock music. Nickelback isn’t bad when u look at it in a pop rock light but it’s terrible when you’re looking at it from a pure “rock” stand point
@fosterkatchen70102 жыл бұрын
I completely agree
@sirmoony56332 жыл бұрын
I personally think that Creed and Staind are some of the great ones from the post-grunge era imo!
@CrackDCat2 жыл бұрын
They didn't reinvent the wheel, but they did give the spokes a new coat of paint by adding elements of heavy metal in to the grunge scene
@AlexKomnenos2 жыл бұрын
The early 2000s was a tired, bloated end of days for post grunge
@tristencoon81982 жыл бұрын
Would any of you all say Shinedown's post-grunge or no?
@Stevenewmansa Жыл бұрын
Absolutely love Seether, especially loved them back in the day! Not too worried what anyone thinks about that😂
@HighAsCaptnKirk Жыл бұрын
Isn’t post grunge and Butt rock the same thing/genre? All those songs are played every day on “rock” stations. Same shit
@ThiccOleCat2 жыл бұрын
My Mom was really into Creed and she took me and my brother to a Creed laser light show. It was like an hour of "life and god are beautiful" imagery to butt-rock. 10/10
@therealmccoyruf2 жыл бұрын
Sounds awesome
@antijojo2 жыл бұрын
I remember when Creed was starting to break and watching the rockumentry on MTV. What I came to conclude with bands like Creed and Nickelback is this was the newest flavor of Arena Rock. I remember when people used to mock and make fun of the Arena Rock bands of the 70's like Boston, Journey, and Styx for example. Than the hair metal bands became the next flavor of Arena Rock which people of course decried. There are a lot of people who aren't angsty, they just want to have a good time, drink with their buddies and rock out. So Creed, Nickelback come along, and essentially become the next flavor of Arena Rock. None of the other waves of Arena Rock were doing anything ground breaking, it was just a place to have fun. You give it another ten fifteen years, you will have college students in bars singing along to "How You Remind Me" just like they sing along to "Don't Stop Believing" now.
@ryanlarson26922 жыл бұрын
I have been saying your last sentence for years. There’s a story from Toddintheshadows about hearing that Journey song and feeling embarrased that he liked it, because Journey was seen as “the worst band ever.”
@jackhammer59122 жыл бұрын
it always amazes me how the passage of times “redeems” certain genres or fads.
@henrydrummond21742 жыл бұрын
I recall hearing all of this about the 70s arena rock bands as well. It's a good comparison- especially because these post grunge bands aren't all that visual, not to mention their deathless popularity in the Midwest.
@jeremyjames16592 жыл бұрын
Yeah right. Nickleback cant be compared to Journey. The guitarist and singer for Journey actually had talent instead of strumming a guitar with poor lyrics
@ryanlarson26922 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyjames1659 Matchbox Twenty are Journey. Nickelback are Foreigner.
@NikkiOglesby Жыл бұрын
I loved “Grunge” and a lot of “Post Grunge”, but I was in my twenties. Van Halen remained my very favorite throughout that decade. In the early 2000’s, anything Chris Cornell had done or would do, became my favorite. ❤
@PCGamer77 Жыл бұрын
I think Candlebox, Bush, Silverchair, and Everclear came early enough to be considered genuine Second Wave Grunge. Post-Grunge Rock followed, definitely being defined by Creed and Nickelback.
@cordeliachase6012 ай бұрын
That’s exactly what I was saying on my own comment. Machinehead for example is NOT a Creed or Nickelback song. I was born 1992, and I remember being really small hearing Bush on my older siblings playlists and thinking it was similar to the music like Nirvana and other grunge bands. I never once thought “oh this is like Nickelback”. In fact I thought Bush was part of the Nirvana era. Lol
@gucci_cucci470311 күн бұрын
candlebox is from seattle as well
@jasonjensen0112 жыл бұрын
When I was on tour in Russia, the biggest surprise was how much everyone I met loved Nickelback and had no idea they were considered such a joke in the west.
@impalaman97072 жыл бұрын
Like I've always said when it comes to rock music: One country's trash---is another country's treasure!
@IkeisBoredBR2 жыл бұрын
here in Brazil Nickleback is also beloved, or was to be fair, i actually enjoy their biggest hits around here, Photograph, How you remind me, shit even Rockstar is nice imo i feel all this hate is from people that is waay to much into being label a certain genre, i personaly dont care, never did, if the song is good i'll listen to it, but there is some like Creed that really is way to much to take seriously
@JoinMeInDeathBaby2 жыл бұрын
Russia is not like Sweden or Holland where everyone understands English freely. 50 Cent is also super popular here but Jay Z is not. Its all about melody, not the lyrics.
@IkeisBoredBR2 жыл бұрын
@@JoinMeInDeathBaby thats absolutely true, i dont think i ever heard Kendrick Lamar playing around here but those lil whatever are everywhere, i never thought about it this way and it is absolutely true
@sam_s_2 жыл бұрын
@@impalaman9707 But all countries love and respect the pure rock n roll that David Hasselhoff has released.
@ThierryRocksTV2 жыл бұрын
Three Days Grace, Breaking Benjamin, Fuel, Crossfade etc are good bands though. I don't understand the hate. The lyrics are emotional and something you can connect to and the guitar work is a great blend between heavy and melodic. I don't care what people think, it's probably my favourite and most listened genre (if I look at my streaming statistics and collection). Even the softer bands in the genre like Lifehouse and Switchfoot are nice. I think the hate comes from the fact that they sounded more gentle and easy to listen to compared to the original grunge scene, but I don't see that as a negative. I think they were just doing good music. Not everything has to be a huge cultural breakthrough with singers like Kurt Cobain who criticised society. A nice ballad or relatable rock song is good enough. Edit: More bands in this genre I love: Our Lady Peace, Chevelle, Seether, The Exies, Atomship, Smile Empty Soul, Staind, Future Leaders of the World, Finger Eleven (pre Paralyzer lol)
@tylerjarjoura32702 жыл бұрын
Our Lady Peace is great
@darrenthetuber7432 жыл бұрын
Crossfade were pure definition of aging bar band getting lucky, countless sound and name changes, and decided to take a stab at Post Grunge. That first record, is saved by the musicianship and tight songs, but boy were the lyrics cringe as fuck ("Disco" is like a sub-Saliva song)
@ThierryRocksTV2 жыл бұрын
@@darrenthetuber743 That 2004 album is great honestly but they never did anything that good again.
@ThierryRocksTV2 жыл бұрын
@ElectricSam22 Absolutely
@ThierryRocksTV2 жыл бұрын
@@tylerjarjoura3270 The first 4 or 5 albums are still listenable but they turned extremely generic and boring.
@lorigoshert6667 Жыл бұрын
I really liked STP, Bush, Candlebox, and Silverchair, but I never knew they were considered post-grunge. I just thought of them as '90s alternative rock and didn't associate them with grunge at all. The "second wave" does sound like they're trying (and failing) to imitate the major grunge groups.
@xist2inspire613 Жыл бұрын
For me, there's always been a "Suffering Olympics" component to the reception of any "post-" movement or shift to a more mainstream focus. It's like there's a feeling of "these people aren't REALLY about this life, so any opinions they have are invalid and their emotions fake." We're attracted to extremes, and tend to view those as more "real", while ignoring the fact that most people don't fit those extremes and exist somewhere on a spectrum. I'm a "country suburban" black kid who grew up during that second wave of post-grunge, but still discovered (and enjoyed) "authentic" grunge and the original (Korn) flavor of nu-metal around the same time. Stuff like Creed spoke to me in ways that Nirvana couldn't because yeah, while I may share some of the same feelings and thoughts about life with grunge artists, I don't share their background or current situations. I have a friend who grew up in the 90s and is a major fan of Bush, and it's the same story: Was intrigued and influenced by the grunge explosion like most 90s kids, but couldn't fully relate because her circumstances weren't exactly the same, hence her affinity for the "lighter" elements of post-grunge. Any "post-" movement is the result of people seeking an outlet to express and make sense of of their own situations and emotions after being awakened to it by someone who's experiencing/experienced the totality of it. The commodification aspect of it sucks, but quite frankly that's the inevitable result of fame and being recognized in a world where "art" and "product" are often made to be one and the same. And trust, if there isn't some legitimate authentic component to the movement somewhere, it dies pretty quickly (like the 90s swing revival). Tl;dr: Musical genres reflect the fact that no one thing speaks to everyone in the same way. What comes off as a poser to one (and may very well be one in reality) is relatable to another. Commercialization and those who chase it will always exist, but we shouldn't let that obscure the reasons as to why one particular flavor of genre is popular and reaches others.
@Mark___9332 жыл бұрын
Love him or hate him, Mark Tremonti is one of the most influential rock/metal guitarists.
@almost.sweettalk.caffeine2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@WRProductions2 жыл бұрын
Fuck yes he is! One of the absolute best.
@EggTamago72 жыл бұрын
Hard agree. I kind of hate Creed’s music personally, but there’s no denying his massive talent, and he seems like a really nice guy.
@snakedoctor53972 жыл бұрын
I still love Creed.
@melodica54072 жыл бұрын
That's why he joined alterbridge
@kzed.2 жыл бұрын
The term post grunge is strange when a lot of people immediately dismiss anything other than Nirvana, AIC, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden. Especially since all of these bands “styles” were all over the place.
@Bevtone2 жыл бұрын
That's the thing about grunge Nirvana diddnt sound like pearl jam who diddnt sound like Melvins who diddnt sound like dinosaur Jr. But the thing that ties them all together awesome riffs, like early incarnations of punk it was more a movement than a musical genre.
@hellaciousharry4 ай бұрын
So whack to shit on someone else's music tastes. It's like someone telling you they like a certain type of food and you just say "ew" and proceed to shit on it and anyone who likes it for 20 years.
@NicholasAlm Жыл бұрын
I love hearing opinions that differ from mine own so I appreciate this video but all the post grunge bands you named are my favorite. Nickelback has some cheesy awful songs but they also have some really good well written songs in my opinion. STP, Bush, Creed, Silver Chair, 3 Doors Down, Foo Fighters, Seether, these are all fantastic bands
@quentinbringthenumetalchil51252 жыл бұрын
I don’t think post - grunge wasn’t that bad. It felt like the hate was equivalent to what nu metal had when it comes to hate: it was everywhere and their were bad/mediocre bands that outshined the good.
@lorrainemarier2 жыл бұрын
I loved Three Days Grace when I was in highschool and still listen from time to time for the nostalgia. I think a lot of us who liked this music, we were just too young to compare it to grunge. I was born in the 90s so I only started listening to Nirvana much later as an adult.
@themadrapper1012 жыл бұрын
Three Days Grace first album and Staind are Nu Metal / Post Grunge
@jackrotz21392 жыл бұрын
@@themadrapper101 they're tryhards
@lucym7843 Жыл бұрын
We’re not in middle school anymore. Let people enjoy things.
@gerrithoevers Жыл бұрын
Man, I don't know. We have a huge difference of opinion. I've been listening to your videos all day and I hate to say but you definitely sound like a gate keeper. I listened to Nevermind on repeat when it came out in 91'. I also listened to Frogstomp on repeat when it came out in 95'. Same with the Downward Spiral, Antichrist Superstar, Short Bus. Gravity Kills, STP, Bush, Korn, Staind, Linkin Park, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Sponge, Hum, Beck. I loved all these bands. I even have the the Hybrid Theory album cover tattooed on my back. You deny being a gatekeeper but that's exactly what you are.
@FalseOracle6172 жыл бұрын
STP was a brilliant band.. Core and Purple are certifiable masterpieces.
@metalboy5150 Жыл бұрын
Not to mention that in no way were they ever considered post grunge. They were totally thrown in with the whole grunge thing.
@ashtonandjohn Жыл бұрын
Yes! Glad others feel the same
@GiganticWeen Жыл бұрын
@@metalboy5150 Definitely, id say they were more similar to say Alice in Chains than they were Nickelback or creed
@withmygoodeyeclosed Жыл бұрын
No. 4 is also a banger IMO.
@FalseOracle617 Жыл бұрын
@@GiganticWeen They were different. Had a different vibe and sound than their contemporaries. I very much miss Scott and very much regret not seeing him live. As a union stagehand, being able to build the show and stand behind the stage I built as they play is phenomenal.
@zephmitchell042 жыл бұрын
silverchair are actually much different from nirvana. while they certainly looked a lot like them, their first album frogstomp is actually far more reminiscent of pearl jam and soundgarden. their second album sounds a lot like helmet and yes, nirvana. but when their third album came out they reached a level of musical maturity. daniel johns is a truly gifted songwriter and musician, which became even more evident on their fourth album diorama, which could arguably be considered their best album. and daniel has gone on to do great solo work, his new album is phenomenonal, although not the post grunge of his previous work.
@jorockish Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't call Candlebox "post grunge" because their big record was in 93 while grunge was still going and to me they kind of represent the crossover period when "Hard rock" was started to get a bit heavier and edgier and making way for bands like Deftones. Reply
@childrenoftheegrave Жыл бұрын
Alice in Chains was the first band/music I EVER remember hearing. I was about 2 years old. I could barely talk. I remember being in my carseat saying “dad play angy chair ! Play angy chair” this was in the late 90s so my dad but in the Dirt cassette tape and played angry chair. AIC had such an impact on me, i named my son Layne. AIC has been my favorite band literally my whole life. Ive also struggled w addiction for many years so I understand the pain within the song lyrics. Layne Staley was the voice of a generation. He was amazing and its so heartbreaking knowing how much he suffered the last couple years of his life. RIP Layne❤
@wallaceshawn-zk8iw Жыл бұрын
That's awesome! AIC was the Band I always remembered as a kid before I got into Korn
@ethanyerks53482 жыл бұрын
I’ve always thought Seether’s early albums (Disclaimer II and Karma & Effect) did a good job channeling a more true grunge spirit before their sound evolved into a more nickelback approach to the genre.
@paranoidandroid99792 жыл бұрын
Yeah I actually bought their first couple albums when I was a teen
@sweetangel66302 жыл бұрын
I don’t hear a nickelback approach in any of their music. Genuinely curious which songs/albums you are referring to? (Not picking a fight here… just wanna know! lol)
@wolfinsheepsclothing8422 жыл бұрын
I thought Finding Beauty in Negative Space was a really good album as well. Their first three albums I could listen on repeat, they’re all so good.
@jackrotz21392 жыл бұрын
Never got into their albums, but they never put out a single I disliked, I also thought they stayed true to the grunge ethos, perhaps a bit poppy sounding later but still no where near cringe as say creed or nickleback
@thegoughandbordenfamily82342 жыл бұрын
Seether's lead singer definitely wasn't t influenced by Kurt Cobain. Not at all.
@speedpants89152 жыл бұрын
Always liked this genre lol, 100% get why it's so universally hated but in my opinion, there's something about it that just... works. Whether it be some great hooks, killer guitar riffs, tasty rhythm sections or vocalists that I find to be genuinely good or passionate, I feel like there's a lot of good hidden in the genre as a whole.
@jasonking9712 жыл бұрын
Ya it wasn't terrible till every band started sounding exactly the same. But there's a few diamonds in the rough. I still enjoy bands like Breaking Benjamin, Seether and a couple others every once in a while. I saw puddle of Mudd and the front man was so effed up that he couldn't sing the lyrics and the guitar player ended up singing everything. And for that I've always hated them. Everyone was booing them
@DiZZoLabs2 жыл бұрын
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@USHARDY2 жыл бұрын
I think the genre would have a better reputation if it had a different name. When calling it “post-grunge”, right away people are immediately comparing the music to grunge bands instead of listening to it for what the music is and if it doesn’t live up to the standards then people see it as a failure
@bMt55532 жыл бұрын
@@USHARDY what could people call it instead?
@jasonking9712 жыл бұрын
@@USHARDY solid point. But that's exactly what it was.
@chadlebato7943 Жыл бұрын
Grunge was the beginning of the fall and music never recovered
@user-tz2zz5ij1s Жыл бұрын
I don’t think Finn understands the grunge early to mid late 90’s. He’s about 15 years too young to understand. Grunge didn’t have anything to say. Nirvana, AIC, Soundgarden had nothing to say. They didn’t even sound alike. It was just another shift in music that gets romanticized because MTV was big at the time. A lot of grunge lyrics was kind of sad songs, post grunge married the fun of the 70’s and 80’s rock with the new sounds of the grunge era.
@ramune52872 жыл бұрын
I understand why this particular genre gets hate but at the same time, I feel like this genre was the entry point to discovering the better bands so it has its musical importance.
@vincentbeaulieu9332 жыл бұрын
So true, most people's first exposure to heavier music was through those bands being played on the radio stations. Definitely a gateway to the darker stuff that you won't ever hear about in the mainstream unless you know where and what to look for.
@StrangerE0ns2 жыл бұрын
See I was born into (and literally because of) metal and I have heavy as shit parents so my “entry” bands were actually relatively heavy so I automatically couldn’t stand most of these bands Of course I got much heavier but still
@whenwhen22842 жыл бұрын
When talking about genres, people forget that “worst genre” is closer to “least good genre”. Unless a genre is a very specific and small, most genres have good and bad bands in them
@ramune52872 жыл бұрын
@@whenwhen2284 Yeah that's very true, any good genre will have many bad bands within them
@gyurygrunza642 жыл бұрын
The same goes to nu metal...Young kids in our childhood time all started with nu metal and stuff like that.Bizkit and Linkin Park were the hottest shit then...and through them we discovered better and better music...
@bw19552 жыл бұрын
Come on Finn. I mean Scott Weiland sounded similar to Eddy Vedder on STP’s first album but the music was completely different. They ended up being a great and diverse band. It’s about as annoying as when people still say Muse is a Radiohead knock off.
@aaronbirtig2 жыл бұрын
I had the same issue with STP on that first release; yes the music was different but I couldn't get past the vocals. That being said; Scott's voice, style and writing evolved with each subsequent release as did the music itself and became a huge fan. One of the greatest front man of all time. As there talent evolved with each release, I watched Pearl Jam devolve into the Eddie Vedder leading me to permanently jump ship after Binaural.
@metalmarty39482 жыл бұрын
Agree with you big time. Pearl jam sounds nothing like stp. Never have and never will like pearl jam.
@bw19552 жыл бұрын
@joel ebsworth it is a thing. Maybe less common now like the STP PJ comparison but it is a thing.
@pensatoreseneca2 жыл бұрын
What most people dont know is that stp were together since 86 before PJ got together in 90 and there was only one year apart between their debut albums, so maybe it was Eddy who sounded more like Weiland .
@chancewhitlock13272 жыл бұрын
U guys are still brainwashed by the joke David spade said about Stp sounding like Pearl jam.....youball just ran with it....get your own op
@samthrasher3029 Жыл бұрын
I call this divorced dad genre
@alotofmilesfromhome Жыл бұрын
The description of Scott Stapp's vocals as "South Park mocking Eddie Vedder" is so brilliant 😂😂😂😂
@normiepasta6182 жыл бұрын
I still love Seether and Silverchair. I'm not ashamed. My parents listened to most of these bands late 90s, early 2000s, so I'm pretty nostalgic for the most part.
@HotStrange2 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of seether but silverchair slaps hard.
@brandontalley42882 жыл бұрын
Shinedown, Breaking Benjamin and 3 Days Grace is what I listen to daily. 29 years old and still love these band and liked a few of the new songs 3 Days Grace and Shinedown dropped recently
@atvena Жыл бұрын
Silverchair is not post grunge they are grunge
@paeden54312 жыл бұрын
This was fair. I'm glad you didn't rip into STP. I don't care if they were grunge or not, they had amazing musicianship and great lyrics. Just a damn good band.
@philomelodia Жыл бұрын
I disagree. I think he’s full of shit.
@adspur Жыл бұрын
They were one of the best bands that came out of the 1990’s.I’m a music snob and hate shitty music.STP did their own thing and were original.
@metalboy5150 Жыл бұрын
They were absolutely grunge. Finn is the first person I've ever heard try to label them as "post grunge."
@ashtonandjohn Жыл бұрын
Yes! I’d say Core was definitely grunge. Where the River goes is dark and haunting and amazing. I love STP
@wyattcole5452 Жыл бұрын
But creed and bush arent? I guess I haven’t heard enough but you have to admit My Own Prison and Sixteen Stone were good mf albums
@ryangunwitch-black Жыл бұрын
When you started to discuss Nickelback lyrics I thought you were going to call them out for rhyming "sorry" and "story"😂
@reallyretro11 ай бұрын
I remember being deeply into everything post grunge up until the around 2010. It just all sounds dated now.
@nimhard2 жыл бұрын
I would consider Staind to be nu-metal with grunge influences, they were first and foremost a nu-metal band culturally that later evolved to be more of a post grunge act.
@martinsanchez48272 жыл бұрын
I would describe it the other around and most people do.
@KevinLogsdonMusic2 жыл бұрын
Their major debut album Dysfunction sounded like a heavier Alice in Chains. One of my favorite albums from that era.
@createdbyjv682 жыл бұрын
I honestly grew up listening to all these bands and to this day I listened to them everyday. Don't see the reason for so much hate
@brawln95502 жыл бұрын
Some guy said something bad about Nickleback on TV or some shit and it turned into a meme to hate on them. Just people bandwagoning
@Eduard000F2 жыл бұрын
Cuz butt rock is corny as f*ck but I gotta admit sometimes I like to listen to some of those bands just to please my nostalgia…
@martinsanchez48272 жыл бұрын
@@Eduard000F"butt rock is corny", is just a cringe circlejerk take in the music community. Music is subjective and many can say the same shit of your favorite genres.
@martinsanchez48272 жыл бұрын
BASED.
@Eduard000F2 жыл бұрын
@@martinsanchez4827 yeah but i won’t cry about it…
@joshhardin666 Жыл бұрын
the tastemakers and gatekeepers can suck it. - There are certainly some better and lots of worse examples of post-grunge music (and the same can be said for ANY style of music), but personally I really enjoy lots of post grunge stuff. I really enjoy the Bush album sixteen stone. Everything Zen and Machinehead, and Swallowed in particular easily hold up as an evolution of what grunge was doing while moving more into the mainstream. Later on Three Days Grace dropped Just Like You which, while admittedly a little more formulaic than the stuff you'd find in grunge, but the hard driving riff, angst-filled vocals, and great harmonies make it great, like an approachable softer metal which was one of the points of grunge that I enjoy. Seether with Driven Under is just as dark and has just as much to say as any of the grunge stuff before it (and has a SICK bridge with great vocals and harmonies). Seether's song Fake It, similarly is an awesome hard driving grunge song about relationship issues, and their track Fine Again, is a fantastic breakup anthem. Honestly, while I don't really feel like attacking anyone needlessly, I could take or leave Creed and Nickelback (with the possible exception of How You Remind Me, yeah, it's kind of cliche and doesn't adhere to grunge values but it's a cool hard-pop song in it's own right), but where they fail, bands like Days of the New, Tantric, Audioslave, Collective Soul, Trapt, Drowning Pool, Godsmack, Toad The Wet Sproket, the goo-goo dolls (and I'm not talking about their pop ballads, listen to the rest of their stuff), filter, Marcy Playground, Stained, silverchair, shinedown, puddle of mudd, Incubus, Evanescence, and a whole bunch of others have been in my regular rotation since these band have come out. Heck, Foo Fighters was a DIRECT result of Cobain's passing (the first album was basically a Dave Grohl solo album in order to deal with his former band mate's passing and move forward). and has some simply amazing tracks. beyond memeing "nickelback bad" (and I don't really hold them in any particularly high esteem either), and the frankly annoying religiousity of acts like creed, I really don't get why this subgenre has such a bad rep.
@franciscastiglione58327 ай бұрын
If nirvana saved your life, seek therapy because you have serious issues. I’m a 45 year old Gen. Xer so grunge was my high school years. About 90% of the bands you addressed, I could agree more about: wasn’t a fan. What I have noticed in my life and others, is that I think we’ve blown grunge’s impact a little out of proportion. I liked all those bands, was more partial to Alice In Chains and sound garden and still am to this day. But as I’ve gotten older, I absolutely can’t stand to hear nirvana. I loved them back then, but like all music, it was a time and place thing. You had to be alive and there to really get the impact of it. Grunge was actually more blue collar then you addressed because the cool thing about the grunge era, was it was the first time the “popular” thing wasn’t about how much money you had or how you looked; in fact the whole thrift store look put everyone on a level playing field so you could be part of the “in” crowd just by looking the same way you always had. That said, the time has passed; the music may last for some, but it’ll never have the same impact on the overall zeitgeist it once did. And as we grow older; we grow up and we realize, what we thought was so awesome then, just isn’t the same when you look at it through a sober lense. Enjoy what you like, I’m not saying not to, but just remember, there’s always a season to move on. As for post-grunge; well at least I always had a steady diet of Social Distortion and some faith no more to get me through. Oh, and a little FYI: art house, college kids were into bands like Raidohead in 1992-1993 not grunge.
@christopherkimber76792 жыл бұрын
Ummm….”frogstomp” by silverchair definitely fit in with the grunge scene. But beyond that album, you’re right, silverchair wasn’t real grunge. Especially “neon ballroom” and beyond. In fact, I dare say that they were too good for the grunge scene. Daniel John’s is one of the best songwriters (criminally underrated to be honest) of my generation. I love them. Top 5 to me. Way too good for grunge. Lol. Same thing with bush too. Sixteen stone fits with grunge….-ish. But razorblade suitcase and beyond did not. Some of your examples are bands that just caught the tail end of grunge and went on to sonically change after their first albums. And I love sixteen stone and razorblade suitcase by bush, but beyond that, they were terrible. Razorblade was their last good album. (Another criminally underrated piece of music). Also also: how did three doors down going triple platinum surprise you? You don’t remember the year “Superman” was played NON STOP on the radio and mtv? God, I hated them and nickelback. Lol.
@freshroastedturkey2 жыл бұрын
Man, the first two bush albums are fucking incredible and the live performances are even better. Kinda surprised how often he mentions them in the same breath as creed
@neon2modern2 жыл бұрын
Neon ballroom is my all time favorite record. Hell diorama is probably top 10 too
@zdoggzero65952 жыл бұрын
You could kinda lump Freakshow with Silverchairs grunge output but it’s also a bit more alt-metal in places than anything
@rjshally2 жыл бұрын
@@zdoggzero6595 Silverchair is better than Pearl Jam IMO
@TheMrAMT2 жыл бұрын
Diarama is a work of art
@secondcoming97892 жыл бұрын
I'm sure it's just because I heard so much post-grunge growing up (that stuff was everywhere in the 2000s) and Creed was one of the first bands I came to like, but post-grunge isn't a bad genre. In fact I'd say its a good genre to introduce people to slightly more upbeat music. Plus Mark Tremonti's skills as a guitarist (and vocalist) cannot be denied.
@princeDinger Жыл бұрын
Mark Tremonti's Frank Sinatra covers really surprised me. He nailed them.
@AyyFriendo Жыл бұрын
Dude I love Ska, you can dunk on it all you want but nothing makes a trumpet more doot doot than excessive drug use.