So You're Ready To Buy A House? (Now What?)

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The Ramsey Show Highlights

8 ай бұрын

Buying a house could be the biggest purchase of your life. We teach that you should put at least 20% down on a 15-year loan. And the more money you put toward your down payment, the less money you have to spend on interest every month. In this episode, you’ll learn the best way to save for a house to set yourself up to win with money now and in the future.
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@Lourd-Bab
@Lourd-Bab 4 күн бұрын
Amazing video, A friend of mine referred me to a financial adviser sometime ago and we got to talking about investment and money. I started investing with $150k and in the first 2 months, my portfolio was reading $274,800. Crazy right!, I decided to reinvest my profit and get more interesting. For over a year we have been working together making consistent profit just bought my second home 2 weeks ago and care for my family.
@lennoxmutterick6434
@lennoxmutterick6434 4 күн бұрын
Hi. I’ve been forced to find additional sources of income as I got retrenched. I barely have time to continue trading and watch my investments since I had my second child. Do you think I should take a break for a while from the market and focus on other things or return whenever I have free time or is it a continuous process? Thanks
@Lourd-Bab
@Lourd-Bab 4 күн бұрын
@@lennoxmutterick6434 However, if you do not have access to a professional like JUDITH ANN PEACE, quitting your job to focus on trading may not be the best approach. It is important to consider all options and seek guidance from reliable sources before making any major decisions. Consulting with an AI or using automated trading systems can also be helpful in managing investments while balancing other commitments
@lennoxmutterick6434
@lennoxmutterick6434 4 күн бұрын
@@Lourd-Bab Oh please I’d love that. Thanks!
@Lourd-Bab
@Lourd-Bab 4 күн бұрын
@@lennoxmutterick6434 Judith Ann peace is her name
@Lourd-Bab
@Lourd-Bab 4 күн бұрын
Lookup with her name on the webpage.
@hassanahmad3589
@hassanahmad3589 7 ай бұрын
24, married, debt free, 6 month emergency fund, saving 15% for retirement every month and saving for our first home. You can do it! Anyone who tells you otherwise is stupid. We are so much better off than many people we know because we followed Dave’s advice! Thanks be to God.
@nah6730
@nah6730 4 ай бұрын
You must live off grid
@hassanahmad3589
@hassanahmad3589 4 ай бұрын
⁠@@nah6730Nope, we just follow Dave’s advice, don’t waste money on stupid stuff and we got married young.
@user-nx6tr9je6v
@user-nx6tr9je6v 3 ай бұрын
​@@hassanahmad3589 how much have mommy and daddy contributed ?
@pgplays458
@pgplays458 2 ай бұрын
Same here! Living in California is painful though. I wish I was raised almost anywhere else.
@nmc8931
@nmc8931 2 ай бұрын
Great story thanks! And great job!
@NAB777
@NAB777 8 ай бұрын
This model worked when housing wasn’t as expensive and interest rates weren’t as high. Adjust and adapt Mr. Ramsey. This isn’t going to work for normal households when the average mortgage is 2400. You would have to make 10k in take home pay, 120k after taxes a year which is about over 200k a year. Who makes this? Median income is under 50k. Be realistic.
@seannicholas6629
@seannicholas6629 2 ай бұрын
It isn't Ramsey's fault people are overspending on houses. Nor that we can't afford these house prices.
@Jellyclaws221
@Jellyclaws221 Ай бұрын
​@@seannicholas6629 It's his fault that his advice isn't applicable. What's the point of advice if it's not gonna work for your target audience? Turns into bad advice.
@gabrielachevalier3038
@gabrielachevalier3038 6 ай бұрын
I love how Dave's tone changes to a dad sitting down with you seriously in the formal living room when he is talking to young callers.
@marcopolo3109
@marcopolo3109 8 ай бұрын
I am on my 30s and I own house with 4 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms. I live alone in the whole house. I own it since i was 21 years old. The mortgage is already paid off and no need to worry about monthly payments. It feels good to own a home, and no rent an apartment in the United States.😊🏠
@medic173
@medic173 8 ай бұрын
Nice! Ur living a peaceful life. Congratulations. I'm very happy for you.
@dianaaugustine5438
@dianaaugustine5438 7 ай бұрын
If I were you, I’d be renting out rooms and making a profit for my retirement fund. That’s a lot of house for one person.
@marcopolo3109
@marcopolo3109 7 ай бұрын
@@dianaaugustine5438 Is a good idea, but it has lots of disadvantages too. For example what if the tenants stop paying me rent, or make a mess to my home.
@marcopolo3109
@marcopolo3109 6 ай бұрын
@@medic173 thanks
@medic173
@medic173 6 ай бұрын
@@marcopolo3109 yes that's unnecessary headaches.
@wesleycomer1881
@wesleycomer1881 2 ай бұрын
I make right at 70k. With a 15y fixed and a payment 25% of my take home pay, my down payment on a 300k home needs to be $215,000.😂
@wesleycomer1881
@wesleycomer1881 2 ай бұрын
I ran the math on how long it will take me to save the money, I will buy my house in 10 years
@daniellegrand1096
@daniellegrand1096 2 ай бұрын
​@@wesleycomer1881is that accounting for market inflation?
@IRONMAN79101
@IRONMAN79101 2 ай бұрын
Why not do a 30 year loan and when it the interest rate drops do a fifteen year
@whatisyourname8450
@whatisyourname8450 2 ай бұрын
Im at the same situation… i make about 100k and 25% of take home will put me at 1500$ per month on mortgage. Which is impossible, even the 1 bedroom apartment rent is over 1500$.
@LuisSanchez-xc9ih
@LuisSanchez-xc9ih Ай бұрын
What Dave doesn’t understand is that you can buy a new home with warranty that way if something breaks you don’t have to fix it, also if everyone bought a house the way he suggest no one could afford one
@LioraLand1
@LioraLand1 8 ай бұрын
I regret not putting 20 percent down!! PMI is a waste of money!!
@aolvaar8792
@aolvaar8792 8 ай бұрын
My CU $0 down, no PMI. borrow 103% of sale price
@ashleyholder2218
@ashleyholder2218 7 ай бұрын
Depends on how much your PMI is I guess. We would’ve had to have 35k to put down. Our loan was 0%. Our PMI was like 180/mo maybe? Can’t really remember. Then when we refinanced 2.5 years later we had enough equity for no PMI. I think we got out of it better.
@gailhoover9263
@gailhoover9263 7 ай бұрын
So a long time ago, when we bought our house, we had to pay p.m.i. After our house had increased in value somewhat, all we had to do is pay to have the house reappraised to prove it's worth to the mortgage company and have them drop it. So keep track of your equity percentage. Good luck!
@aolvaar8792
@aolvaar8792 7 ай бұрын
@@gailhoover9263 For most FHA borrowers, MIP will endure for the life of the loan.
@reatherhollingsworth2097
@reatherhollingsworth2097 6 ай бұрын
Facts and hard to get rid of.
@DeeDee-143
@DeeDee-143 6 ай бұрын
This method of buying a house sounds so ideal, but its overwhelming for me. Trying to save 20% is so HARD 😩 for a 300k home. I was looking for homes in the 200 k in my area and they are all fixer uppers (which i definitely wont have the funds for). This housing market is killer 😭
@Fecho00
@Fecho00 5 ай бұрын
Try living in Cali 💀 you won’t even find condos for under 350k in a lot of areas. Following this method sounds close to impossible
@bennyl7224
@bennyl7224 5 ай бұрын
Can you consider looking in a nearby area, within an hour drive?
@techno1386
@techno1386 4 ай бұрын
Houses where I’m at start at 400k lol
@AsoftDolphinn
@AsoftDolphinn 2 ай бұрын
commute a hour from work, i just bought a 2 bed 1 bath 1359 sq ft cottage for 105k in northern illinois
@bhaalgorn
@bhaalgorn Ай бұрын
300k is lucky. Over here it's 700k for a decent townhouse.
@ralphsaile7848
@ralphsaile7848 8 ай бұрын
15 year loan and 25% of income is totally unrealistic in todays market. I see people’s income and finances as a 25 year mortgage veteran. Most people can barely scrape the 3-5% down together, and need a 30 yr fixed to qualify. That’s reality in a metro area.
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
Ah, Brother Ralph, thy years in the mortgage industry do indeed grant thee a unique vantage point. However, I testify that the principles of the Baby Steps, as espoused by Ramsey Solutions, are not only scripturally sound but also achievable. I myself have traversed this path and found it to be true. "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me" (Philippians 4:13). Moreover, could it be that the very debt payments that many bear contribute to their perceived inability to adhere to these principles? Remember well the scriptural wisdom, "The borrower is servant to the lender" (Proverbs 22:7). The yoke of monthly debt payments doth indeed make one a slave to their obligations, limiting freedom and choices. Though the market doth present challenges, I would ask thee to consider that these principles offer not only financial peace but also freedom from bondage. They are endorsed by modern-day prophets who speak the word of God, and they align with the eternal principle of self-reliance. Therefore, Ralph, I testify in the redeeming name of Jesus Christ that these principles can liberate us from the temporal fetters that so easily ensnare us, Amen.
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 8 ай бұрын
Most people shouldn't even be considering home ownership at all. If you can only qualify for a 30 year the reality is you CAN't afford a home at all.
@ralphsaile7848
@ralphsaile7848 8 ай бұрын
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 that makes no sense. Yea, rent for 5 years at $2k a month and have nothing to show for it other than $120k out of your pocket. Homes will continue to appreciate at least.
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 8 ай бұрын
There are going to be millions of people who go into foreclosure in the second half of the decade. These people will also have nothing to show for it other than a lot more out of pocket. @@ralphsaile7848
@waflestix346
@waflestix346 7 ай бұрын
Or pay 2.5x the amount a house is worth over 30 years with interest. You will always spend money on shelter, but at least when a water heater breaks for renters, they don’t need $10k to fix it - that’s on the landlord
@sgmaricelli5243
@sgmaricelli5243 7 ай бұрын
I like a lot of what of y'all have to say I mean 90% of what you say I agree with. This is where I disagree. the whole 15 year mortgage gambit. That is so difficult to adhere to and forces you to have an insane emergency fund. forcing you to tie up more money that could be better invested. Sure high yield savings are at crazy 5% rates today but they won't stay there forever. As long as your lender doesn't have a prepayment clause that will charge you fees for paying more of your mortgage off. I would do a 30 year mortgage and pay against the principle more. Treat it like it were a 15 year mortgage but if something goes wrong you can easily pull back without losing the home. Sure your rates might be slightly worse than a 15 year loans but that peace of mind is so worth it to me.
@lyndahammel9502
@lyndahammel9502 7 ай бұрын
We started with a 30 year mortgage and paid $100 toward principal each month. Then later we were able to refinance when the interest rates fell and took out a 15 year loan.
@Carnerd101
@Carnerd101 Ай бұрын
1/4 of your take home income and a 15 year mortgage. The average American can now afford a 10x10 shack in Barstow, Ca.
@viciousnova
@viciousnova Ай бұрын
barstow isn't cheap either 😂
@c0cochan3l29
@c0cochan3l29 8 ай бұрын
Georgie shout out to the paid off house uncle Dave taught my guy well that’s a blessing with a new baby ❤
@GeorgeKamel
@GeorgeKamel 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!!
@CoachMeMLD
@CoachMeMLD 7 ай бұрын
Dave said I don’t buy an investment property unless I steal it “” what percent of this price is stealing some thing? 70% of the list price or 50% of us price or even less is there a rule of thumb?
@Jellyclaws221
@Jellyclaws221 Ай бұрын
I make 95k, for a 15y fixed I can max out at around 140k mortgage. If I stop all 401k contributions. Not including insurance costs.
@Gmac_Greg_M
@Gmac_Greg_M 5 ай бұрын
If you’re paying 2k for rent you need to absolutely buy a house.
@vevasika
@vevasika 2 күн бұрын
In New Jersey you’re lucky to get anything cheaper
@Aunny123
@Aunny123 8 ай бұрын
With rates and prices at their current levels, 20% is pretty much required. Most people nowadays cannot afford a 2000+ mortgage.
@anaroman1499
@anaroman1499 8 ай бұрын
Actually no. I put down 12 percent and my mortage with taxes etc is 1600 a month.
@1981fuentes
@1981fuentes 8 ай бұрын
You must be in the. Idle of no where
@anaroman1499
@anaroman1499 8 ай бұрын
@@1981fuentes No I live in Phoenix.
@scotthipsher2495
@scotthipsher2495 8 ай бұрын
One thing they don't mention that should be considered is that if you are a first time homeowner and you have actually saved 3-6 months expenses BEFORE purchasing a home (based on expenses while renting rather than owning/maintaining), you likely have not accounted for the increased cost of owning a home. My 6-month emergency fund aftering following Dave's plan of 20% down, 15-yr fixed, and no more than 25% of take home pay (which was NOT easy), I immediately discovered after purchasing my first home that my emergency fund needed to be increased by 2.4x in order to realistically cover 6-months worth of expenses. I literally went backward in the baby steps following this plan as prescribed. At the present time, I'm back to NOT investing 15% into retirement so I can quickly save up enough in my emergency fund to get back to Baby Step 4. (And hold my nose that something crazy expensive doesn't break beforehand to throw me back into Baby Step 2, lol). I went from financial peace to 20/20 hindsight and really questioning my decision to buy in this market following THIS plan.
@deidre4423
@deidre4423 7 ай бұрын
That’s a really good point! Thanks for the insight. How long did it take you to save your 20% down payment for a house?
@V1CT0RY
@V1CT0RY 7 ай бұрын
Great insight, thank you!!! 🙏
@medic173
@medic173 6 ай бұрын
I needed to hear this. Also it's a good idea to get a job that includes a pension.
@gabrielachevalier3038
@gabrielachevalier3038 6 ай бұрын
Good point! I always think that 3-6 months of expenses can change much faster than it used to. My husband and I are keeping our standard at 12 months of expenses in the bank so that a 6 month emergency can still cover us whether in our current living situation or in a situation where we are paying more in housing.
@scotthipsher2495
@scotthipsher2495 6 ай бұрын
@deidre4423 My wife and I saved very slowly in the beginning for several years with very little traction due to debt. But once we got serious about the debt and paid it off, we used the money we would have paid in debt toward our emergency fund. That happened very fast...only a few months. Then used the same method to work on the house downpayment. I worked a 2nd job (part-time) as a side hustle and a ton of overtime at my full-time job. For 2 years, I averaged about 750 hours of work beyond my full-time hours between the 2nd job + OT. Within 2 years of becoming debt free, we had our 3-6 month emergency fund and 20% down-payment ready. Then, we instantly got slapped in the face with mortgage rates rising from 2.5% to 7% in our area, lol. (So we might have been better off with a lesser down-payment than 20% to lock in that lower rate, but you live and learn!)
@jbone79
@jbone79 8 ай бұрын
Lots of millionaires have been adequate both in Bitcoin AND Crypto. Take that same study in 10 years and you will have different data
@armandoweckmann5699
@armandoweckmann5699 8 ай бұрын
I am 42, not married, and no kids. I paid off my mortgage in 2020. It's now worth $375k. I make $90,000 annually. I opted out from buying a second home. Instead,I am spending $60k on renovations instead 😊
@r8alvar
@r8alvar 8 ай бұрын
We paid off ours in 2021. We got it for 80 on a short sale and it is now worth 240. Would like to buy a new house but cannot stomach the price of houses after only paying 80k for the home we are in now. We make 150k but it feels like we would need to save an extra 150K to get into a nicer home that we can pay off in less than 5 years. Maybe we just spend 90k to renovate.
@medic173
@medic173 8 ай бұрын
Nice.
@johnnymassarda
@johnnymassarda 4 ай бұрын
Matt had no clue..😂 I’m glad we helped him out
@rosskred1160
@rosskred1160 2 ай бұрын
quarter of take home pay but 15 yr mortage. Gotcha.....prices a lot of people out.
@atdepaulis
@atdepaulis 2 ай бұрын
Haha 😂 I was going to say just do a 50/50 split and be good haha
@Richard.Cabeza
@Richard.Cabeza 2 ай бұрын
I’m converting from being a believer in renting to wanting to buy a home. I do not borrow money and need to sort out how to cash in some stocks to pull together $200k without getting hosed on taxes. I have about $30k I can tax loss. It sucks poorly built houses are stupid expensive. Maybe just buy land and build one…ok, that’s off topic. Anyway, how to buy a house for cash?
@jwlove66
@jwlove66 Ай бұрын
I make 125k a year (due to rise another 20k soon) .. I have 30k savings, am debt free, been maxing out retirement accounts, a pension from the military starting at 60, the problem is a DECENT starter home in my area is 500-600k. It's absurd, I'm trying to get a full remote position and move somewhere affordable...I'm 45 and have never owned a home, being a veteran they'll easily give me more loan than I can afford.
@betitos11
@betitos11 8 ай бұрын
Ive bought and sold three properties following none of this advise and have made over $300k doing it. If i would have waited for all this these guys preach i would have nothing. But you do what you want.
@laurenc4553
@laurenc4553 8 ай бұрын
What did you do differently?
@betitos11
@betitos11 8 ай бұрын
​@@laurenc4553- For the very first house i did everything different 😁 I was not debt free, I did not have a fully funded emergency fund, did not put 20% down, did not get 15yr mortgage, payment was more than 25% of take home. But i managed and sold it made cash and kept going.
@froniccruxis1049
@froniccruxis1049 8 ай бұрын
I think the point is that the Ramsey solution is for people that have put themselves in a hole when they should have been risk averse. Most people are bad at gambling, which is why banks and casinos have so much money.
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
Verily, Brother Betitos, whose appellation doth closely resemble that of a Mexican eatery known as Betos, hast thou perchance sampled its fare? Now, let me bear solemn witness of the divinely inspired teachings found in the counsel of Ramsey Solutions. It is written, "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender" (Proverbs 22:7). Though thou hast seen gains by ways divergent from this counsel, I would exhort thee to ponder the lasting peace that cometh from avoiding the shackles of debt. I rejoice in thy worldly successes, but let us not forget the cautionary words from Ecclesiastes: "He that loveth silver shall not be satisfied with silver; nor he that loveth abundance with increase" (Ecclesiastes 5:10). The way of Ramsey Solutions is not merely a financial pathway, but a road leading to spiritual tranquility, aligning our earthly stewardships with eternal principles. Thus, I exhort thee to ponder these divine precepts, for they have been tried and found steadfast by many a faithful soul. Yea, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, Amen.
@Gmac_Greg_M
@Gmac_Greg_M 5 ай бұрын
Same!!
@cierraandrews4553
@cierraandrews4553 6 ай бұрын
I have a question. Dave won't like me buying a house right now, lol but when you do the 25 percent rule, is that take home pay or gross?
@raptortown
@raptortown 3 ай бұрын
Probably take home
@chrisfriedl6180
@chrisfriedl6180 2 ай бұрын
Ouch, Dave was one of the people I listened to before Doge blew up. I sold out of it and watched as it went over .70 cents. Would have made over a million. So I’m in on other crypto now and I’m up over 250% in less than a year. Let’s see if the 4th boom in the cycle is real based on historical data.
@richardgomez5008
@richardgomez5008 8 ай бұрын
My mother's advice was buy a house. Don't wait to buy, invest in your home, don't start at the top. Buy what you can afford. Don't expect to be there for a lifetime. Sell and buy (or rent your property to buy more.) There is no formula, be smart in your investments. ❤🇺🇸❤
@aolvaar8792
@aolvaar8792 8 ай бұрын
My Mother's home is 700 years old, ??????? Don't expect to be there for a lifetime.
@richardgomez5008
@richardgomez5008 8 ай бұрын
@@aolvaar8792 Oh, you'll be homeless. At least you had a home growing up. How old are you? Ten?🤣🤫
@IRONMAN79101
@IRONMAN79101 2 ай бұрын
Iam on a tale end of a divorce and I get to walk away with 140 k in equity my 401k and some 20 Thousand In savings , housing market is insane I will pull out of my 401k just to meet a solid down payment for a home, and finance it at 30 year because Iam 44 Iam afraid the rates will Never drop that low again
@FrankS111
@FrankS111 8 ай бұрын
How to buy a home (realistically) for 99% under 35 years old: 1) listen to Dave and wait only to buy a home on a 15 year mortgage (highest monthly payment possible) 2) save 20% of the downpayment PLUS closing costs (another 3%-5%) 3) keep doing steps 1 through 2 for the next 10 years as inflation destroys the value of your cash 4) rent for the rest of your life because you cannot afford to do a 15 year fixed at a monthly payment of 25% of your income unless it’s a junk home that requires a lot of improvements or is in the middle of nowhere. My wife and I have a $200k yearly income with 3 young kids. We bought our home in 2016 for $420k. We couldn’t afford to buy it today being valued at $600k. Dave and crew have become divorced from reality and the rules from 2019 do not apply to 2023
@BLdontM
@BLdontM 8 ай бұрын
Dave's method for buying a house will ensure the overwhelming majority of people remain renters for life. On second thought, for the super rich like himself, maybe that is the plan.... more real estate for him. Makes sense that he'd want to deter as many people as possible.
@joefunk76
@joefunk76 8 ай бұрын
He owns several hundred million dollars worth of real estate. He’s not about to about to admit it’s disgustingly overvalued even though he sold one of his properties at the peak of the market. His 15-year fixed rate mortgage for less than 25% of net income is advice that won’t work for anyone who needs it. Given today’s mortgage rates of 7-9%, this advice won’t let one buy a home that costs so much as twice one’s annual income before taxes. Who is that practical for but extremely high earners?
@froniccruxis1049
@froniccruxis1049 8 ай бұрын
If you can't afford to save for a down payment than you won't be able to afford up-keeping a home and you should rent.
@FrankS111
@FrankS111 8 ай бұрын
@@froniccruxis1049 🙄I bet you already own a home
@BLdontM
@BLdontM 8 ай бұрын
@@froniccruxis1049 I assume by down payment you mean 20%. If someone can't save 80-100k in cash then there is no hope that they could ever afford a couple thousand a year in maintenance? Where do you think landlords get the money for up-keep on their properties? Do you think landlords only charge mortgage + taxes and just eat all of the maintenance costs out of the kindness of their hearts?
@coolmaster121
@coolmaster121 8 ай бұрын
Why should he pay off the car? If his payments don’t have any interest attached to them that makes no sense to me. Can someone explain please
@user-nx6tr9je6v
@user-nx6tr9je6v 3 ай бұрын
You are right, Dave is wrong
@pgplays458
@pgplays458 2 ай бұрын
Debt is debt. Just because it doesn’t have interest doesn’t mean the debt shouldn’t be handled immediately. That’s my opinion though I can understand where you’re coming from
@TheRealTommyBear33
@TheRealTommyBear33 Ай бұрын
were did man decide that you should buy a first home or starter homE? why not buy a home for life period?
@CosmicTraveler1901
@CosmicTraveler1901 Ай бұрын
Average house in America is roughly $400k, average household income is about $75k. If you consider take home pay to exclude retirement contributions, you would need to put down $260k to meet Dave’s rules. Yikes
@DGXJ94
@DGXJ94 11 күн бұрын
Kind of unrealistic for the current market, average 3/2 1500 sq ft house is 400-450 in the southeast. Good luck getting a payment down to 25% of take home pay. Even using the calculator on his website, a 200k down payment on a 450k home 15 year fixed at 6.5% is $3,008.00 a month. Most 30 year old dual income families would struggle and be house poor. A dual income family would have to earn 12k a month after taxes to cover this mortgage. The flip side? Live in the most undesirable area with a unsellable home….makes sense
@nmc8931
@nmc8931 2 ай бұрын
If my company matches 5% tjen do i invest 10% into my 401k? Or still do the 15%? Anybody know?
@eddiejordan3718
@eddiejordan3718 2 ай бұрын
Since they only match 5% in your 401k put the 10% in a Roth IRA which together will give you the 15%
@joncena168
@joncena168 2 ай бұрын
I bought a house the wrong way in 2017. I’m so glad still. Idc I’m glad I’m not trying to buy this same house the right way in todays market
@barney9stinson
@barney9stinson 7 ай бұрын
Dave is only someone now that knows how to give advice to someone who makes $250k plus. Not regular people making $65k a year.
@johnmackey3937
@johnmackey3937 5 ай бұрын
65,000?
@felipeoliveira2219
@felipeoliveira2219 8 ай бұрын
This largest contest of millionaires also account for multmillinaires too? or an individual with 500k house 300k on 401k and 200k in Mutual funds??
@froniccruxis1049
@froniccruxis1049 8 ай бұрын
Dave has mentioned it before. Millionaires are people with net value of millions within 20 years(or earlier if you make at least 100k) and make good financial decisions. Multimillionaires are people that started their own business and it was successful.
@texashobbies
@texashobbies 22 күн бұрын
Dave is 100% wrong about an interest free loan. If you are lucky enough to have gotten a 0% interest keep it as long as you can.
@jloop_2008
@jloop_2008 8 ай бұрын
20% down on a 15 year mortgage....enjoy your 4000 dollar mortgage payment and enjoy living in a shed near the meth house. 😅 Are these 2 serious?
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
Ah, Brother Jloop, thy skepticism toucheth upon matters of great consequence. I testify that the teachings of Ramsey Solutions are founded in the wisdom of ages and the scriptures, as Proverbs 22:7 reminds us, "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender." The aim is not mediocrity but a path toward financial peace and, ultimately, prosperity. Thy concern about a burdensome mortgage payment is understood. Yet, consider the words of King Benjamin: "And ye will not suffer your children that they go hungry, or naked; neither will ye suffer that they transgress the laws of God, and fight and quarrel one with another" (Mosiah 4:14). We are counseled to live within our means, and in doing so, we find peace. It may seem a great sacrifice initially, but even a humble abode free from the bondage of debt is far preferable to a mansion built upon the sands of financial imprudence. "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock" (Matthew 7:24). In the name of Jesus Christ, who taught us to be wise stewards, Amen.
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 8 ай бұрын
Yes. If you can't afford that, forget home ownership.
@bennyl7224
@bennyl7224 8 ай бұрын
You’re buying a small place to start. You can also hustle to increase income for the period you’re saving a deposit or longer. The 25%/15 year fixed will have you debt free super fast. Still having debt to service over a longer period of time introduces more risk. If there’s sickness of primary income earner or GFC2, redundancies something like that.
@drblitz3092
@drblitz3092 5 ай бұрын
it'll feel that way for first 10 years. each year the payments feel a little easier because its a fixed payment. while rent increases with inflation
@budgillett
@budgillett 4 ай бұрын
@@drblitz3092 Thou hast brought forth a point of wisdom in the realm of finance and homeownership. Indeed, the path of a mortgage, especially one as substantial as a 15-year term with a significant down payment, can initially seem burdensome, much like a heavy yoke placed upon one's shoulders. Yet, as thou hast rightly noted, the nature of a fixed mortgage payment becomes more manageable over time, particularly when contrasted with the variable and often inflating cost of rent. The Holy Bible doth provide counsel on matters of stewardship and financial prudence. In the book of Proverbs, it is written, "The plans of the diligent lead surely to abundance, but everyone who is hasty comes only to poverty" (Proverbs 21:5). This scripture encourages careful planning and diligence in financial matters, qualities essential for managing a mortgage responsibly over a long period. Moreover, in The Book of Mormon: another testament of Jesus Christ, we are reminded of the importance of wise stewardship and the blessings that come from it. In Helaman 13:31, it is said: "And behold, it is the hand of the Lord which hath done this great thing unto the children of men, to warn them to flee from their iniquities; and that they should humble themselves before him, and that they should come unto him that he may show unto them the way of escape." This scripture, while focusing on spiritual deliverance, also illustrates the principle that seeking guidance, whether divine or through wise counsel, is key to finding a path through challenging circumstances, including financial ones. It is also important to consider the long-term benefits of homeownership, as it often serves as an investment in one's future. While the initial years may indeed feel overwhelming, the gradual building of equity and the stability of a fixed payment in an inflating economy can contribute to greater financial security over time. In conclusion, while the commitment to a 15-year mortgage with a substantial down payment is no light matter, it is a path that can lead to financial stability and the joy of homeownership, provided it is approached with diligence, wisdom, and foresight. Let us always seek to apply these principles in our financial decisions, trusting in the Lord to guide us in our stewardship. Amen.
@JeffWilliamfick
@JeffWilliamfick 8 ай бұрын
My mortgage rate is 2.25% and inflation is 3.7% That means I'm paying a real interest rate of -1.45%. I would be foolish to pay off my home when I can get 5% in a CD or higher with a dividend paying stock.
@RichardGeorge-pz3wm
@RichardGeorge-pz3wm 8 ай бұрын
Every caller needs to make an informed decision based on the best available facts at the time. Calling a radio talk show who's host is trying to sell you books, seminars, apps and other merchandise is not who you need to be basing a significant financial decision on. Ramsey is not a certified financial advisor and has no fiduciary responsibility to the caller. He only has an opinion - same as everyone on this forum.
@BradleyMaurice226
@BradleyMaurice226 8 ай бұрын
It really baffles me to see people make their financial decisions based Dave’s opinions. Don’t get me wrong he’s a great guy and every smart guy but a lot of the callers won’t be in some situations if they had a great financial advisor.
@EdwinBoettcher
@EdwinBoettcher 8 ай бұрын
I agree, I’m currently retired. Mortgage paid off, zero debt, $2m in savings and credit goes to my financial advisor.
@RichardGeorge-pz3wm
@RichardGeorge-pz3wm 8 ай бұрын
Do you mind let me know who your financial coach is?
@EdwinBoettcher
@EdwinBoettcher 8 ай бұрын
My advisor is .BECKY LOU GORDON . You can easily look her up, she has years of financial market experience.
@Slyllee
@Slyllee Ай бұрын
Dave Ramsey is basically saying 90 percent of America can’t afford a house and I agree I’m just mad he saying it 😂😂😂😂😂
@jbarajasp
@jbarajasp 8 ай бұрын
Dave was just rude to that poor guy, not tough loving…. Just flat out rude
@lukeharris2622
@lukeharris2622 8 ай бұрын
✝️
@TheRealTommyBear33
@TheRealTommyBear33 Ай бұрын
sell the stocks pay off the car get the house after
@nicorusso1526
@nicorusso1526 5 ай бұрын
Ramsey is super full of himself. Not all of us live in an affordable area.
@JosiahK555
@JosiahK555 8 ай бұрын
So you're ready to buy a house? Ope, no you're not, the price just went up by 40K better save for another 10 months.. ope sorry the price just went up again...
@user-nx6tr9je6v
@user-nx6tr9je6v 3 ай бұрын
They "study" he did cherry picks the data and self selects from his audience. Dumb
@uterpia
@uterpia 8 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@jloop_2008
@jloop_2008 8 ай бұрын
If you want to be average or slightly above average, Ramsey solution is the way.
@froniccruxis1049
@froniccruxis1049 8 ай бұрын
Ramsey is for poor saps that spend more than they earn and should have always been risk averse. So being average or better is the way considering most people are bad gamblers and lose more money than they "invest". It isn't for the get rich by starting your own business or timing investment folk. It is for the people that bought into the lie that debt is good.
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
Verily, Brother Jloop, I repeat my testimony concerning the counsel of Ramsey Solutions, which is grounded in the wisdom of scripture and the experience of those who have trodden the path to financial security. The wise Proverbs declare, "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender" (Proverbs 22:7). This is not a journey towards mediocrity but a march towards fiscal tranquility and abundance. Thou dost express reservations about the weightiness of a mortgage, yet let us consider King Benjamin's words: "And ye will not suffer your children that they go hungry, or naked; neither will ye suffer that they transgress the laws of God, and fight and quarrel one with another" (Mosiah 4:14). Living within our means, even if it seems austere, paves the way to greater blessings. The immediate sacrifice, though considerable, sets the foundation for future prosperity. The Savior Himself declared, "Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock" (Matthew 7:24). Thus, I testify in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, the teacher of wise stewardship and the giver of peace, Amen.
@alexguy96
@alexguy96 8 ай бұрын
Dave is out of touch and it shows 😂
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 8 ай бұрын
Almost as much as the average American
@BMilitant
@BMilitant 5 ай бұрын
Hating in Bitcoin is funny. I'm done listening
@TRC19999
@TRC19999 8 ай бұрын
Sorry but this advice is way out of touch. Ramsey wants people to rent forever.
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
Verily, Brother/Sister TRC, I must inquire: dost thou comprehend the principle of sacrifice for a higher aim and the setting of long-term goals? The counsel to rent is not an end unto itself but a season of preparation, akin to the time the children of Israel spent in the wilderness before entering the Promised Land. Dave Ramsey and Ramsey Solutions advise this course so that we may "prepare every needful thing" (Doctrine and Covenants 88:119), clear our debts, and place ourselves on sound financial footing, all with the ultimate aim of home ownership. It is through this long-term vision that we "lay up for ourselves treasures in heaven" (Matthew 6:20), or in this case, build a legacy of financial stability and wisdom for ourselves and our posterity. Do you not see that the temporary sacrifices made now pave the way for greater blessings in the future? "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you" (Matthew 6:33). I offer this testimony and query in the name of our Savior, Jesus Christ, who sacrificed all for a higher, eternal purpose, Amen.
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 8 ай бұрын
Nope. He just wants people to avoid foreclosures. There will be MILLIONS of them in the second half of this decade. Maybe even tens of millions.
@macneoh7418
@macneoh7418 7 ай бұрын
20% down and a 15 year loan 😂
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 7 ай бұрын
Home ownership 😂
@johnmackey3937
@johnmackey3937 5 ай бұрын
Great if income supports this.
@restandrelaxation4039
@restandrelaxation4039 8 ай бұрын
“Elephants got nothing on women.” 😂
@LBmustwin12
@LBmustwin12 8 ай бұрын
Lol damn Dave was somewhat of a jerk on this one 😂
@dkid0101
@dkid0101 3 ай бұрын
bruh i ranked ugly ramems but never died
@brettharvie676
@brettharvie676 Ай бұрын
So this guy sold his Crypto at pretty much the bottom
@richcreager7877
@richcreager7877 8 ай бұрын
From these comments all im hearing is excuses and negativity. If you think negative negative things happen. Ive been debt free using Daves plan including my own home for going on 15 years. I now own over 60 properties both residential and commercial owing zero in loans. All bought and paid for by my wife and my income from job. We now work for ourselves buying fixing up properties for rentals or resale. It can be done even today cause im doing it. Will it happen overnight HELL NO. Follow Daves advise or stay broke, we all get to choose the life we want
@JustinCase780
@JustinCase780 8 ай бұрын
You own 60 properties paid for with no loans from your incomes? Wow! Where??
@froniccruxis1049
@froniccruxis1049 8 ай бұрын
@@JustinCase780 if you don't have any debt for 15 years it isn't difficult to buy small fixer-uppers for cheap and flip them into rentals or resale. Then that net income rolls into your next 2 purchases and so on.
@richcreager7877
@richcreager7877 8 ай бұрын
@JustinCase780 Midwest, all paid for from income from former job and income from properties. When you don't have debt you have money. When you have income producing properties with no debt, You have lots of money
@TinyMiniStealth
@TinyMiniStealth 8 ай бұрын
You’re part of the problem. There already is an inventory shortage and you are contributing to it and making it harder for first time home buyers to own a home. Nice one, thanks.
@richcreager7877
@richcreager7877 8 ай бұрын
@TinyMiniStealth You're welcome Glad I could help
@gailhoover9263
@gailhoover9263 8 ай бұрын
High yield savings accounts are paying over 5% now. That's not "nothing ". That's $10,000 for $200,000 yearly!
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
In a spirit of charitable counsel and guided by the wisdom of scripture, I must say, Gail, that thy observation about the returns on high-yield savings accounts is indeed noteworthy. As the wise steward in Matthew 25:27 was counseled to deposit his master's money with the bankers to earn interest, so too it is wise to seek gain where possible. However, let us be mindful of the broader financial plan espoused by Ramsey Solutions, which advises high-yield savings primarily for emergency funds or short-term budgeting items, unless one is at Baby Step 7-where one is building wealth and giving. For as Doctrine and Covenants 104:78 advises, "It is my will that you shall pay all your debts." Additionally, I caution thee to consider the implications of income taxes on the interest gained, as even the Pharisees were reminded by Christ to "render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s" (Matthew 22:21). In some instances, the gains may not be as fruitful as they first appear. In sum, while high-yield accounts offer much, their best use aligns with particular stages of financial freedom and responsibility. I offer this counsel in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, who has taught us to be wise stewards of all our blessings, Amen.
@TheSejonger
@TheSejonger 8 ай бұрын
Totally agree and the stock market is NOT doing 10% right now.
@dariodjakovic1600
@dariodjakovic1600 8 ай бұрын
Lol 20% down and 15 years mortgage and no debt and 3-6 months of expenses and payment no morw then a quarter pay. What lala land these people live on this show lol
@FrankS111
@FrankS111 8 ай бұрын
They pretend it’s still 2019 and Dave thinks these rate increases are like the 70s/80s. I use to like listening to them but now they’re utterly divorced from reality.
@TheStewartVids
@TheStewartVids 8 ай бұрын
Don’t go broke to buy a house. We live in a time with increased mortgage rates and increased home prices. Where it’s more important now than ever to save up cash to counteract the current market. Yes the 20% down with the payment being only 25% of your take home pay is crazy but it works to prevent being house broke.
@dariodjakovic1600
@dariodjakovic1600 8 ай бұрын
@@TheStewartVidsi agree but 90% of people cant do this and most likely will never be able the way we are going.
@FrankS111
@FrankS111 8 ай бұрын
@@TheStewartVids inflation destroys the value of cash.
@blava9081
@blava9081 8 ай бұрын
It takes discipline, he never said it'd be easy. He's trying to set people up so they can retire with dignity. Most people have lots of luxury spending and don't make a budget to figure out how much they are wasting.
@user-hd8ej8yx9p
@user-hd8ej8yx9p 8 ай бұрын
my nephew bought a house for 655k with 3% down, cosigned with his sister, payment will be 4.7k per month, can be rented for maybe 3.3k, he makes 50k before taxes... i tried to reason with him but he wouldn't listen. now they want help moving and renovating... F them
@beaniemac
@beaniemac 8 ай бұрын
He's clearly house poor
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
Ah, the tale of thy nephew doth give me pause, for it conjureth concerns most grave. With an income of 50,000 before taxes and a monthly payment of 4,700, he hath placed himself in a precarious position, one akin to building a house upon the sand, of which the Savior warned, "and the rains descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell" (Matthew 7:27). The potential for foreclosure in such a scenario is not merely a specter on the horizon; it is a looming storm. Even the possibility of renting the abode for 3,300 per month falls far short of meeting his obligations. The scriptures do remind us, "If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches?" (Luke 16:11). I would counsel thee to continue thy efforts to reason with him, encouraging him to seek the counsel of wise financial mentors and to ponder the scriptural admonitions against debt and the resulting bondage. I testify that prudence and wisdom are qualities most pleasing to our Heavenly Father and bring both temporal and eternal blessings. I offer this counsel in the name of Jesus Christ, who frees us from all forms of bondage, Amen.
@Mel-tw6qv
@Mel-tw6qv 7 ай бұрын
Bank math. But seriously what kind of bank would give him the money for that?
@starsalways7922
@starsalways7922 2 ай бұрын
Unrealistic.
@TheSejonger
@TheSejonger 8 ай бұрын
$36 million in a savings is insane, you're only FDIC insured for $250k. Cash plus accounts are higher but dang. Given how crap the stock market is now and with high yield savings at 4%+... I mean you can live off that for life if you weren't risking losing it all to a bank imploding.
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 8 ай бұрын
Should be spread over 150 banks.
@XennialGuy
@XennialGuy 8 ай бұрын
18:21 Let's check back in a year on this one. I'm already seeing house prices coming down in several markets including Florida. What's happening in Texas, Arizona and parts of California is just the beginning. The mortgage backed security mess and forced investor refinancing is going to reset the housing market.
@GG-zn5hx
@GG-zn5hx 8 ай бұрын
Who? What? When? Huh?
@WimpieTV
@WimpieTV 8 ай бұрын
People say to wait till next year... every year lol.
@Whatorwellsaid21
@Whatorwellsaid21 8 ай бұрын
What part of Florida? The Everglades swamp? South Florida is still hot if not hotter than last year.
@XennialGuy
@XennialGuy 8 ай бұрын
@@Whatorwellsaid21 Based on MLS data, Pensacola, Jacksonville, Sarasota, Ocala, Panama City, just to name a few have been dropping month over month, and it's going to get worse. Florida has historically been the hardest hit during housing market pullbacks, and especially during the Great Recession. It's no different this time around. Miami, West Palm, and Naples haven't seen a drop yet, but it's coming. It's already stagnant in some parts of these cities where you have neither sellers nor buyers agreeing to a price. The money's dried up, affordability is non-existent, it ramped up way too fast. In the history of the housing market we've never seen it ramp up this fast, not even leading up to 2008. It's going to crash and it's going to crash hard. Just the facts ma'am.
@nah6730
@nah6730 4 ай бұрын
@@Whatorwellsaid21😂😂😂😂 exactly
@beaniemac
@beaniemac 8 ай бұрын
What in the hell house can he afford making 70K on a 15 year mortgage with today's interest rates which only account for 25% of his salary?? Does Pittsburgh have some kind of surplus of low priced starter homes that the general public doesn't know about?
@MrEpicface97
@MrEpicface97 8 ай бұрын
It's Pittsburgh.
@jennyberger6688
@jennyberger6688 8 ай бұрын
He also has a down payment
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 8 ай бұрын
If you can't afford that you can't afford ANY house
@nah6730
@nah6730 4 ай бұрын
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508I think this is the 5th comment I seen from you. Are you ok?
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 4 ай бұрын
I'm better than okay. @@nah6730
@Jake-pf4kv
@Jake-pf4kv 4 ай бұрын
Pay off the car when there is no interest, worst advice😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
@Elizabeth_lowkeyluxuries
@Elizabeth_lowkeyluxuries 8 ай бұрын
At a bare minimum people should consider being debt free before buying a house to take off the stress load. Take out a 30 and pay like a 15 if you're diligent.
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
In the spirit of wise counsel and Christian love, I acknowledge thy sentiments, Elizabeth. Indeed, thine advice to be debt-free before venturing into homeownership aligns with the principles of financial stewardship encouraged in the scriptures, such as Proverbs 21:20: "There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up." However, I must tenderly caution against the idea of a 30-year mortgage, even if one intends to pay it as a 15-year loan. Elder Marvin J. Ashton cautioned us in General Conference against "long-term debt" which often leads to "enslavement." A 30-year mortgage, while seemingly flexible, can expose one to the perils of variable interest rates, market downturns, and other unexpected life events, thereby potentially leading to financial bondage. Thus, the wiser course, consistent with scriptural counsel, would be to opt for a 15-year mortgage that fosters quicker ownership and less financial burden over time, fulfilling the admonition in Romans 13:8: "Owe no man any thing, but to love one another." I bear this testimony and counsel in the loving name of our Savior, Jesus Christ, Amen.
@Elizabeth_lowkeyluxuries
@Elizabeth_lowkeyluxuries 7 ай бұрын
@budgillett oh I totally get what you're saying and agree with the cautionary advice if someone does not know how to handle their debt. However, I did this while being debt free (this would be the caveat) and it has saved me in the long run. If I had not have purchased, the apartment I was living at would be over half my income and out of my price range now (it's shot up almost 90% in 3 years). It stabilized my living situation. Had I remained renting, my options in my city are pretty terrible for a woman in terms of safety. Not imaginary, it is factual. But yes I definitely wouldn't add debt load upon debt load when purchasing a home.
@thomasfrederick71
@thomasfrederick71 8 ай бұрын
Why are they so eager to have the first caller pay off his car which has a 0% interest rate while he has investments during an inflationary period?
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
Ah, Thomas, thy question strikes at the heart of a financial quandary many ponder. While it is true that a 0% interest rate might seem benign, especially during inflationary times, the wisdom of Ramsey Solutions calls us to eliminate debt and thereby free ourselves from any form of financial bondage. The scriptures remind us, "The borrower is servant to the lender" (Proverbs 22:7). Moreover, the Lord Himself has declared, "Pay the debt thou hast contracted... Release thyself from bondage" (Doctrine and Covenants 19:35). Having no monthly payments or obligations allows one greater freedom and peace of mind, in alignment with scriptural teachings and prophetic counsel. Investments, while promising, carry their own set of risks and uncertainties. By removing debt, one gains a surety and stability that is recommended by both ancient wisdom and modern revelation. This counsel I offer in the name of Jesus Christ, our ultimate Redeemer from all forms of bondage, Amen.
@bennyl7224
@bennyl7224 8 ай бұрын
Monthly debt repayments still need to be made and reducing risk of debt commitment should something happen > intellectual arbitrage
@budgillett
@budgillett 8 ай бұрын
@@bennyl7224 Verily, Brother Benny, Thou hast touched upon a profound truth. While, at first glance, a 0% interest rate may seemeth harmless, the weight of debt remains a burden upon the shoulders of the beholder. As the scriptures doth teach us in Proverbs 22:7, "The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender." The very act of owing another places one in bondage, regardless of the worldly interest attached thereto. Moreover, in times uncertain as these, the reduction of risks associated with debt is of paramount importance. For if unforeseen trials should arise, as they oft do in this mortal realm, being free from the chains of obligation allows one the freedom to navigate such challenges with greater ease and reliance upon the Lord. I commend thee, Brother Benny, for thy wise insights and would exhort all to heed the counsel of being free from the shackles of debt, that they might be better prepared for whatever the morrow may bring. With brotherly love and in the sacred name of our Saviour, Jesus Christ. Amen.
@thomasfrederick71
@thomasfrederick71 8 ай бұрын
@@bennyl7224 then put the debt amount into a high yield savings account. Then you don’t have the “should something happen” concern if you want a middle ground. It still seems crazy to view that as a bad thing to me that needs to be paid off immediately.
@jacksonlemay4418
@jacksonlemay4418 8 ай бұрын
You guys are so out of touch this isn’t even feasible for most people.
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 8 ай бұрын
If it's not feasible you shouldn't even consider home ownership.
@jacksonlemay4418
@jacksonlemay4418 8 ай бұрын
@@amireallythatgrumpy6508 I own a home and got it at a 2.65% interest rate in early 2020 and the house appraisal has gone up 140k. With the interest rates at what they are now our payment would double! Do you not understand what I mean by feasible. This isn’t 1980’s where you could get a 100,000 mansion at an 11% interest rate and be alright. Everything is expensive now. Me and my fiancé work 60-80 hour weeks and pick up extra side gigs to try to pay our mortgage off as quick as possible but the fed has messed everything up and people our age 20-30 are going to have a hard time being able to get a house
@amireallythatgrumpy6508
@amireallythatgrumpy6508 8 ай бұрын
I know exactly what you mean by feasible. You mean ANYONE who buys a home in 2023 is asking for a foreclosure in the second half the decade.@@jacksonlemay4418
@drblitz3092
@drblitz3092 5 ай бұрын
ya, all that us single people can do is rent forever but max out our IRA and 401k. so we dont have to work later one and hopefully not live past 100
@seymourcox6112
@seymourcox6112 3 ай бұрын
Then don’t do it. It’s impossible so don’t bother. I’m sure your socialist experiment of social security will bail you out
@pmb7927
@pmb7927 2 ай бұрын
Who is the athlete ocho?😂
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