There are no games like Old World. (4x Game)

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

The host found its new waffle house

[@onebadidea9825]

The waffle found its new host house

[@lucaswinsor4469]

The Waffle House has Found its new Host.

[@888BigRed]

Bought this game when it first came out years ago and its MUCH easier to play now. The UI was a disgusting unexplained mess at the start.

[@voidlessvoid420]

Host the found new its house waffle

[@silversolver7809]

Why are y'all waffling about a host of found houses?

[@iBacon4s]

This game took me a few tries to really get into, but at the end of last year everything finally clicked for me and now I'm obsessed with it. One of my favorite aspects of 4x/Grand Strategy games is creating a story about your empire, and Old World does a phenomenal job at that. Every playthrough creates such an immersive story! I really hope you make some more Old World content, it feels like no one is playing it - and it deserves so much attention! This game has so many cool ideas, and I want the devs to get the support they need to continue adding content. And in a few years, hopefully, the next game they make refines the concepts in Old World even further!

[@conchadeconchos]

Do you play with the randomness or a more stable game ? I played the random as my first game and as much I enjoyed it I felt like I was being pushed around while my empire made to growth. Any recommendations of how to enjoy the most out of this ?

[@jorisgarcia6927]

My cousin, a kid at the time, had me poisoned to death although with my dying breath i ordered his imprisonment. A few years into the reign of my 10 years old son, a riot started in the jail and he got killed, ending this rotten branch of my dynasty! Sadly, the family tree is thinned dangerously, something our enemies will not overlook..."

[@reddirtchilis]

just heard about it randomly. loved civ 4, in fact i haven't really liked an 4x since then. kind of liked endless legend but don't like fantasy. anyway this game does look really cool.

[@benabaxter]

Let's get some more Old World content! That last playthrough was fascinating.

[@PaulNorman]

The three things I love most about Old World are the orders mechanic to cut down late-game turn length, the character events forcing unexpected directions, and the music by Christopher Tin. In Civ6 you can set out a detailed plan (e.g. going for a timing rush hundreds of years in to the future) and be confident of pulling it off. Old World doesn't work that way, and you have to be prepared to react to what history throws at you.

[@MyanRiller]

The music is fantastic. There is a mechanic which doesn't activate the music until you discover music in the tech tree. I'd recommend new players go into the menu options and turn this off so you can get the tunes going from the start as it really adds a lot to the experience.

[@mrTannu666]

Yes I love how this is a good change from Civ where you are hyper focusing on a specific victory type from the start. Old World feels a lot more dynamic.

[@m.sturman8867]

if you put the speed on 0.75 host speaks normally.

[@Ash_18037]

For me it's painful to listen to more due to: "if I pause talking for more then 0.5 seconds you'll get bored and stop watching".

[@hieracium3317]

I love Old World and I immediately bought the DLC, wish it got more attention because it's great.

[@TheMarcHicks]

I have fond memories of "working" closely with Soren, Dale, Solver & the like back when we were playtesting the beta version of the 2nd expansion for Civ4 (Beyond the Sword). Also, I used to play a weekly Civ4 Multiplayer game with Dale, Solver and a few others-one where you had to write a story about the events that occurred during the previous game. Damn those were good times.

[@TheMarcHicks]

I think we all communicated on the Beta through something called the Frankenstein Forums.......not 100% sure, as that was about 15 years ago at this point!

[@dalekent257]

Good times. :)

[@TheMarcHicks]

@@dalekent257 hiya Dale. Great to see ya 🙂

[@TheMarcHicks]

@@dalekent257 The Diplomacy games were the highlight of my week.....assuming we could get everyone together 😉

[@NC7491]

As a person who can say that they have put close to 10k hours on the CIV series, CIV 4 was probably its best iteration. I don't know what power to implement changes you have, but I will love to see a CIV 4 re-release with updated graphics.

[@JesseAviles]

Old World is difficult and rewarding. I'm playing it at one difficulty level above the default and have yet to win the game once. Too many times I retired from a game. Yet, I keep going back to it because of the character interactions and events. My leader has been assassinated several times in the same game, my wife divorced me, my kids have gone insane, my governor's corrupt, my towns revolted. And yesterday I found my first religion and have yet to figure out exactly how I did it. Oh, don't forget about the music. It very good, even the one that is streamer safe.

[@mr_e2517]

started playing this a year ago, steadily has gotten more immersive and amazing. I really enjoyed it from the get go and the more they add and tweek the better these unique playthroughs become for me, so glad to see it keep growing and adapting.

[@NosirrathOfficial]

I love videos like this, it's so interesting to see new games and your takes on them. The civ videos are classic and I will never tire of your civ gameplay, but I would really love to see different game series on your channel. Much love Potato

[@keremgul8394]

I found all the 4x games confusing except civ6 which makes hard to start a new 4x. But with an oldworld overexplained series, the game seems like startable because the UI and graphics are smooth and attractive for me.

[@M24071]

Plus it's easier to navigate you have nothing to worry

[@keremgul8394]

@@M24071 exactly :D

[@deitus1375]

I remember playing this when it came out as Rome. Romulus was naturally their leader however Remus was still alive and a character in the game. It’s going smooth and I’m expanding my empire yet all of a sudden an event plops up. Remus storms into the throne room and kills Romulus, making me play as Remus instead. I guess that made me Reme instead of Rome.

[@kirbyone]

Playing for the remes

[@Wasserkaktus]

In all honesty, Remus is a much better name than Romulus.

[@liammurphy2725]

@@Wasserkaktus I wouldn't like to be reamed by either of them.

[@Xorgrim]

Hope, you get the chaos in your life under control soon. Looking forward to your Old World content. I love the game.

[@Rags326]

It suffers from the age old problem: a lack of attention to the late game. Needs new mechanics for that stage of play.

[@TheAspyrine]

It's old world. Not new world.

[@rhystaylor851]

the game is designed so that you can usually win before the end game problem sets in, but I agree the late game is somewhat lacking

[@etienne8110]

To be fair, most 4X have the same problem. You struggle early on, but should snowball and steamroll the AI by mid game. Civ6 suffers from this too, even on legendary diff.

[@emylily8266]

@@etienne8110 the upside here is that if you're really on a snowball you can fairly easily win during midgame, making lategame still kind of enjoyable since it will only really come through if there's some chance you won't make it.

[@joethesheep4675]

I never understood that criticism. Isnt snowballing the point of playing a 4X-game? Like whats the point of making good strategical desicions if a player (or AI) that made worse strategical desicions ends up being just as powerful?

[@luantib]

Im so happy the new dlc is not scenarios because the narrative part of the is so amazing...You truly never play the same game twice and sometimes you get some bonkers storylines like when I started an game as Dido had an son who drop his studies to be an "street philosopher" untill he got so crazy the people drove him ou of the town, so he just came back to my court and instantly runed away to be an sailor but got captured by pirates that tried to sell him as slave somehow he scaped and come back to my court just to tell me he was gay and run away to Greece to be the prince concubine. 10/10 would give birth again

[@rhystaylor851]

Old World is a great game; the events, characters, city building, and soo many other systems are very engaging and complex (like civ 4 on crack). Only 2 nit-picks. The combat can be annoying sometimes, where the AI will just teleport out of the fog of war and snipe your units one-by-one. But once you get a handle on the system and embrace the losses it's very rewarding. The other problem is the trading between civs, it's basically non-existant. You can either send a caravan for flat gold or roll the dice on a trade mission, where you can only choose between three random options (usually not great ones). All of the systems are almost ridiculously complex and interconnected, it's something you need to try for yourself (or watch Potato video hehe). The best part of the narratives you can draw from events; once as my king was growing old and near death, my heir I had been getting ready to take the throne was killed commanding a unit, leaving a baby in line for the crown. The uncle took over as regent, and my empire experienced great turmoil. After coming of age, the rightful heir fought off a roman invasion and kicked the econ into overdrive. Also, never own a monkey

[@rhystaylor851]

jeez I forgot to mention orders; IMO a great mechanic to differentiate itself from civ and draw on the realities of running an ancient empire. During peace, workers improve the empire while soldiers sit idle. During war, the econ stagnates and every effort is diverted to the front.

[@TheMarcHicks]

Well, with this DLC dealing with Religion, hopefully the next DLC will deal with Diplomacy and Economics 😉.

[@larryb5677]

I love the heck out of Old World. And a universe does not exist in which I will ever choose not to get the pet monkey.

[@etienne8110]

The UI in this game was really above the competition. I hope it becomes the new gold standard, just by mousing above anything you would get all the info you wanted, so simple and intuitive.

[@are3287]

This is what happens when a game is made by gamers not designers and executives.

[@andreicristian9575]

@@are3287 You get a game that's 150 times less popular?

[@raskolnikov6443]

@@andreicristian9575yes, the world isn’t fair.

[@brndn2208]

@@andreicristian9575 yea executives have the money to put out ad's and paid reviews to get others to buy it. It don't make a popular game good... Look at Madden!

[@FazeParticles]

@@andreicristian9575 marketing ain’t cheap son. I know you know that. You ain’t dumb, just lazy.

[@kevinerskine3299]

Very interesting. Thanks for the video. I'll definitely look into it.

[@generalZee]

It cracks me up that two games called "Old World" and "New World" came out in the same year and are basically opposites in every way.

[@jdsd_]

Btw, the soundtrack for old world was written by Christopher Tin, the same guy who wrote the music for the civilisation franchise.

[@Dwarfpete]

Old World was my best game of 2022. As much love as CIV 6 has gotten in 2022 it still feels incomplete and inferior to CIV 5. While Old World isn't perfect, it's pushing the limits of what a CIV-5 Style game can do, and at this point I can't go back to CIV 5.

[@zack20cb11]

I'd love to see two separate videos. One geared toward Civ players, and one that specifically digs into the improvements made over the last couple years. The second one could be a TON of work, but one shortcut would be to get an authorized interview with Soren Johnson or Dale...just ask them to tell the story. I would watch that with minimal editing. Literally just screen-capture a zoom call, it would be fantastic content.

[@Pan_Iwo]

Potato, you mentioned civ4 but I've never actually seen you play it. I remember I once asked you about that on livestream and you said that your skill from civ5 and 6 doesnt apply to civ4 and I agree, these are totally diffrent games. BUT taking into consideration that civ4 is a legendary game and it has, which is in my opinion a great aspect, an amazing modding community I think you should give it a shot at KZbin espexially that u do not really see civ4 letsplays these days :'(

[@Tentacl]

Your channel is new to me and so is a in depth old world review. You got a sub, and they sold a copy.

[@Caracal-lm6es]

"We're stalling for time" Same as it ever was.😄

[@DaveTerenas]

Old World is super fun, excited to try the new DLC and would love to see a livestream/video series of it. Also, the best feature: It has an undo button so if the game lies to you about movement (cough Civ6 cough), you can just fix it! It's so good!

[@SarTabSo]

I love Old World and keep coming back to it and can't wait to try the new DLC! I do still tear my hair out when I lose a treasured unit more easily than I think, but then I turn around and do the same thing to the AI. The revolving door spins faster for Old World units versus Civ units. The narrative events can't be beat!

[@helocapt1893]

I did a one city challenge in Old World and it was amazing. Surrounded by barbs, tribes and super powers on all sides, I created one sprawling massive conglomeration of every building in the game and fully leveled troops on every tile. Ambition victory! It was epic. I recommend.

[@Cthulhu_Lore]

Thanks PW this video finally got me off the fence and I purchased the game and DLC. I love the eras it covers, being a fan of Civ and Paradox games its a nice marriage between the two.

[@Gossamer3592]

Old World is my fav 4X hands down. New DLC is fantastic. Would LOVE to watch you play more OW games!!

[@seancolorado]

If you want to do more Old World let's plays that's totally cool. I find them to be so interesting and my way of satiating my desire for Old World until I can save enough money for it

[@thorstenr.fotografia4954]

It's actually one of my favorite games. Very well balanced. I enjoy it a lot.

[@fishpig4391]

Could you make a video covering the 4x games you have played and where you rank them? I would love to see where games like humankind and civilisation 6 compare with games like old world and even games from a while ago like the older civilisation games.

[@Asgath]

I've not played Old World yet but I'm very intruiged by it. This might tip me over into getting it.

[@benlevine6486]

This video and my previous Old World enjoyment made the DLC a no brainer. Looking forward to the next Let’s Play of this game!

[@efekaraarslan767]

finally some old world content. i always play on max events lol

[@BrandonGallemore]

Just bought the game based on this review. Had seen numerous reviews on the game and was on the fence, but this one pushed me over the edge. Excited to try it!

[@Ben-jv2ll]

Old World is insanely good. Like Potato and others have said, it takes a bit to “get into” but once you get a feel for “best practices” and the like, everything clicks so fantastically well that you’ll be addicted. Beating “The Great” difficulty is easily one of my proudest gaming moments. Every decision matters (or can matter, if you let it) in some form or fashion. It’s just the ultimate blend of 4X and CKIII-like dynasty management

[@shakeelamlay130]

Haven't tried Old World in a few months, almost a year actually. It felt kinda bad to play back then, but the way the gameplay looked in the video and the new DLC has me excited.

[@tailthehare]

I love this game. I would love to see more videos of Potato playing old world.

[@mehrdadmiri1494]

They nailed 4x formula literally. They deserve much more recognition

[@0_Body]

I have enjoyed your past old-world play throughs curious if you are trying to do some RP games. You know for the memes.

[@PatGunn]

Great we live in a time where there are multiple good civlikes out there at the same time

[@enriquepadilla4172]

Recently got this game on sale with the expansion and was a bit bored during the tutorial, but when i finally started playing my first game I immediately started falling in love. Then i realized they dont do future tech and immediately fell more in love, as future tech always disparaged me in the CIV games. I think my favorite aspect is the fact that theres no tall vs wide, you just have to go wide, but you do specialize cities (high growth, high military, or high civics) while still having multiple types of currency.

[@Mankorra_Gomorrah]

Hey potato, not sure if you’ve gotten this before but another game I think you would like, and would be cool to see on the channel, is Creeper World 3. It’s a deceptively simple tower defense game that gets pretty intense and I often will sit down to play and stand up victorious 5 hours later without realizing it. There is a 4th game that was released recently but I think that 3 has a better strategic gameplay because 4 focused a little too much on being 3D instead of 2D.

[@robjohnson3095]

Old World is a great game that can be quite tough, if you crank the difficulty up. Starting out easy, though, and seeing how grand a city you can build is quite fun! And after you think you've learned the mechanics of the game, play it on hard and, well... good luck!

[@TheOnlySurvivor]

I got into this game from a video Potato made many months ago and I'm addicted. I literally trained a monkey to assassinate a foreign ruler, and it was successful. So cool.

[@stefan9326]

It's a great game, well worth checking out. I'd love to see you do another playthrough.

[@giorgitskhadaia2562]

It is a good game. Keep playing it, we will watch!

[@Jams27]

Dang. Potato reminding me about Old World... I don't have enough hours in the day lol

[@ARENVS]

How do you dare to not mention the undo button?

[@filipgren6091]

I always try to create as much soap opera drama as possible with my characters :) It’s super fun.

[@MrMolova]

Honestly, Old World just FEELS good. Yes civ is old and all that but honestly. Old World with the odd thing here and there addressed... It's a stellar game. I pray it goes on and on.

[@sunnyketie3407]

Old World is so great, hope to see more gameplay content)

[@ChaosProphet90]

Ten minutes later and I understand that it has lots of events and mechanics! Hope a more in depth video comes out sometime, this looks cool.

[@DrownedInExile]

I look forward to Old World content on your channel!

[@frosum179]

I'd love to see a 4x with Old World's production mechanics, Humankind's combat, and Civilization's tiles/districts and general visual clarity.

[@j.cueames6431]

I was really on the fence about this game. The store page on steam just wasn’t enough to for me to buy it. Although, I’ve clocked over 3k hours (collectively) in civ games and I’ve always enjoyed your civ videos. So, thank you for the push I needed to get this game. I’m much more excited now 😅.

[@wileywilson]

Thanks for the headsup Potato. I've got over 2000 hours in Old World but didn't know there was a new DLC; literally no comms from the devs.

[@rgrodsky1118]

Thanks for the videos. Going to buy this thanks to the Easter sale lol

[@upperbeaches]

I've been a Civ player since the OG, but haven't played Civ 6 since Potato got me turned on to Old World with the last series. Didn't know about the DLC until this video dropped. Would love to see more Old World content on the channel.

[@sanseverything900]

This has been my favorite new 4x game in such a long time. I hope the devs keep working on it despite how lesser known it is amongst the other popular games in the genre. BTW, the game is apparently a mod developers dream. I can't wait to see what people cook up for it in the next few years!

[@justanewskrub]

Super excited for this dlc, got 332 hrs in old world and I can confidently say that this is the best 4x game I have played in a long time, been a civ player since around '03 starting with civ 3.

[@matthiasdarrington3271]

dear Potato, you should play more Old World. It's a really good game that deserves better coverage.

[@M24071]

I have been playing this game for a year and I'm amazed that it hasn't bored me not even a little bit it's like addictive plus religion and diplomacy is not just there for show like civilization you can actually use them effectively

[@kiritokaguya9180]

I have to try again to get into it... i once played through the tutorial but never came to the end

[@bautrey]

I bought the game awhile ago but just couldn't get into it yet. I keep defaulting back to civ because it's what I know best so I'm more comfortable with it. More videos of you can help the old world player base.

[@AlexanderOnTube]

Please do make more videos about Old World. After hours of consideration, I finally bought this game, have played 20 hours and am still enjoying it, but I'm a noob of course :)

[@kuklosmissingeye9609]

what are your top 3 4x games released last 5 years?

[@damienjohnson3450]

You should do a playthrough with the rewards for event choices hidden. It's pretty wild. You can always save scum but it does produce alot more varied gameplay.

[@swiderr90]

PotatoMcWhiskey, what are the other recent 4X games you think are good both gameplay and art wise?

[@shadywonderboy1808]

Heyyyy! I love when you do a different game other than Civ. I would also love to see you do a playthrough of Stellaris again soon

[@d3gvsdo]

love me some old world content

[@shacklock01]

I see Assyria finally became a Levantine power in this world xD Shit jokes aside, I have looked at this game a few times and keep wanting to try it. May have sold me. Like you say, so many 4x games you pick up and then never really play. My steamlist is littered with them, mainly scifi ones tbf.

[@cindersofcreation]

So a bit of family/dynasty stuff like Crusader Kings mixed into a 4X? Sounds neat!

[@mohammadkamelan1047]

Thanks for the video. Does Old world has scheme and plot like crusader kings 2 & 3?

[@skyfall7110]

Fingers crossed for more Old World content! Played this game quite a bit. Stopped playing when I beat the last difficulty level.. Now that I finished off my last steam CIV VI achievements... I guess Old World is back on the cards!

[@fridarey]

Which are the 3 that are good? (Been out of 4x for a while but have Civ & Humankind lurking unplayed)

[@BladePocok]

Is there a gameplay path that can be summarized like this: "Preserve nothing, conquer everything" ?

[@lecoutcritique8854]

I'm interested in your input of which 4X games are "at level" of old world. I mean for me there are Civ (4,5,6 depend taste), Endless Legend (although the IA is lacking, it's way better than humankind), and just under them is Age of wonders (and it's look alikes).

[@EjinnoVin]

have you reviewed civ revolution on xbox?

[@avefreetimehaver5154]

Civ IV was my favorite and I'm so mad right now that I missed this gem from Soren! I hope he makes something that's focused on coldwar or post coldwar.

[@OrinThomas]

Would like to see PotatoMcWhiskey's list of top 4X games

[@MrAms1204]

i’d be really poggers to see an entire playthrough of this because this has been a gigantic infodump hahaha

[@scrooge-mcduck]

The game is truly amazing, I wish they'd extend the timeline. I wish they'd make New World 2 - same premise but SciFi with planets and mechs. That'd be more than perfect.

[@jigglyjeffjumpsjoyously4297]

Played alot in the early days of the game when it was only on Epic and frankly I loved it. I bounce all over the realm of strategy games and especially 4x's, so it's nice to see when one nails the mark. I did fall off after a couple months, as I am one to do, but watching this and keeping in tune with the updates I'm reinstalling tomorrow mornin.

[@ulrichwentzel6327]

I’ve been hoping for a DLC. This is such a cool game.

[@SomeGuyFromUtah]

Thank you for the video.. the whole game isn't really on my radar... I heard there were problems a long time ago and forgot about it. Sounds like it's time for another look... wish I knew more about the base game but what you described sounds fun... my favorite part of Civ6 are often the random things, like discovering villages.

[@Mallias123]

May I ask what other games you'd consider as "good 4X games" ? I'm actually heavily invested in those and would love to know your suggestions :)

[@seasand6705]

Armchair Admirals multiplayer Old World would be awesome. Please play on The Great competitive mode with raging Max tribal aggression

[@thomaswille3294]

Also available on Good Old Games

[@donovansweet5483]

Still need to see the game in an a multiplayer setting since I always do 4x games with my brother

[@mitch7852]

Gunna try this game out cant wait to play along

[@vcash6014]

high quality Art? Is he trying to say the word "Art"? holy heck brother. lol. anyways thanks for the video.

[@cklester]

I would play this game, except for one thing: the elephants are way too big. That's just not even realistic. I'M JOKING! I think I'm going to try it! Lots of support in these comments, and I do love me some hexy games, with Civ6 being my current go-to.

[@volodymyrkurgan5713]

I know I'm kind late to the party, but: What are the good 4x strategy games? Potato says there are about 3 good of 'em. I'm curious!

[@iamspamus8784]

As I said before, I'd like to see a DLC covering Asia or maybe Polynesia, S America, Africa. :)

[@ferencfekete5730]

Out of curiosity, what are your top 3 4x games?

[@stefansanchez50]

When are we getting VIC 3 series?

[@PotatoMcWhiskey]

No promises