There Is No Fix.

[@bigtymetrader]

"iNtEl jUsT wOrkS" hahahahaha

[@tempusfugit5388]

It did just work until 10th gen

[@royboysoyboy]

7950X3D is a nightmare. Intel CPUs don't work out of the box, but you can put a VID limit on it -- see buildzoid's video about the 1.4 VID limit

[@cmdrstarlion7179]

"Nothing bad happens", this guy is insane.

[@davidsmith4186]

9950x3d is where I'm headed from 13900K. $599 top tier CPU mated with MEGX670E ACE. 🤷‍♂️

[@pradajay337]

why not x770

[@666Necropsy]

lmao

[@helldiego]

@@iLegionaire3755 6700xt... 4k performance dude :D 30fps lover?

[@MrDutch1e]

What a pointless waste of money. Have fun lassoing all your cores to get the same performance 😂.

[@griffin1366]

lol

[@dabagz1]

Intel just fixed it. They just terminated over 10000 employees. Intel stock now down 40% for the year

[@royboysoyboy]

facts. say goodbye to Intel in the next 10 years. 80B market cap 100,000 mouths to feed. compared to AMD's 250B market cap and 25,000 mouths to feed, and NVIDIA's 3,000B market cap and 27,000 mouths to feed

[@samson7294]

@@royboysoyboy the employee ratio is crazy!!! Wtf is Intel doing with all those employees?

[@royboysoyboy]

@@samson7294 goodbye Intel

[@TheAdrianpp]

If it was AMD who had this issue I think you'd be way harder on them though lol.

[@bigturkey1]

doesnt 7950x have issues with degradation too?

[@AdrianOkay]

AMD had that 1.3v SOC thingy that was just an error and not an intentional performance increase and jufes is gonna hold them accountable for the next 10 years lol

[@ChrisAzure]

​@@bigturkey1 Apparently but not to the level of Intel, and unlike Intel, AMD is more open to exchange if your CPU starts to show degradation problems.

[@WmJamesWofford]

Na we approach the same way…

[@Wobbothe3rd]

He said the exact same thing about AMD motherboards years ago. And the same thing with the "bulge" which was arguably just as bad.

[@bigdeagle1331]

No matter what you say! This is a major problem! This could end intel !

[@The_Chad_]

This is the dumbest shit I've been hearing, and it's not just from you. You guys are hilariously delusional.

[@someperson1829]

It will not. And you don't want that anyway. Imagine CPU monopoly. lol. GL with that. I also don't see him defending Intel in any way. All he's saying is that you have two options: either sit and cry that Inted did you dirty, either fix the mess yourself and be done with it. It's sad to see that majority of the people choose to sit and cry, simultaniously attacking people who say "fix it yourself", for whatever reason.

[@metal_fingers]

Anyone else feel like we are living inside of the movie "Idiocracy"? 😆

[@dragonman910]

TLDR: the customer shouldn't have to fix something a multi-billion dollar manufacturer won't. Intel has had some kind of issue since 12th gen (uneven heat dissipation caused by the cpu's rectangular shape, resulting in the cpu bending over time). Spending $10 on a cpu contact frame to fix that is okay, but the customer shouldn't have to fix something a multi-billion dollar manufacturer won't. As far as 13th and 14th gen goes, they had no business releasing them. They both were desperate responses from intel to amd's x3d chips, especially the 7800x3d. If you're a gamer, why would you get a 13900k/14900k that's more expensive, more power-hungry, hotter, and loses performance and/or dies after a few months of use? The 7800x3d is just as fast as both those chips in gaming while being cheaper, more efficient, cooler, and more stable.

[@MJVH777]

So awesome I bought the 7800X3D and delidded it and no problems just gaming and kicking A$$!!!!

[@Monk-Darlington]

With a dip. 😊

[@6r3ys0n]

With the AMDip due to the infinity fabric bottlenecking the memory no matter how much you optimize. I have a 7800x3d paired with a 4090 for my daily driver and i'm surely missing my 13900ks. The 1% lows were far more consistent

[@vest7422]

Yea u get the dip if u buy over 6000mhz ddr5 ram. Got 6000mhz (like amd recommends) ram for my 7800x3d and it works flawlessly. Tried those games where jufus had dips and i had zero. Just turned on expo and slight undervolt in bios and super stable. Pulling 50 watts in most games i play lol. Jufus is just wrong about the dip and this is coming from someone that used only Intel and hated amd for a very long time.

[@Monk-Darlington]

@@vest7422 of you are happy, I am happy. I do t have to live with it :)

[@666Necropsy]

what dip guys lol

[@SamuelWorkman-f5r]

Glad I got the 12900 ... Feeling like a solid buy right now .

[@geesehoward7261]

13600K is faster.

[@SamuelWorkman-f5r]

@@geesehoward7261 it wasnt available when i made my purchase a couple years ago

[@SamuelWorkman-f5r]

@@geesehoward7261 but i was considering waiting to build until 13 gen came out and i would have gotten a 13900 kf and that would have been bad because all the break downs and such . Thats why i was said it was a good buy / choice But thanks for the info .

[@SamuelWorkman-f5r]

@@geesehoward7261 I am planning on going all AMD build with my next build when 9800x3d comes out with a 7900 xtx or maybe wait until a 5090 to come out what do you think since you know far more than I do about these things ?

[@catalyst2590]

@@geesehoward7261 at ....

[@OPTIMUS6LTR]

so not chasing frames now?

[@CrackaSlapYa]

chasing degredation

[@idrinktapwater6174]

@@CrackaSlapYa chasing your mom

[@MrDutch1e]

​@@LordVader1887he's been saying it just works about the 7800x3d since it launched basically.

[@cmdrstarlion7179]

@@xblur17not in disguise, he is the worse

[@radugrigoras]

Still chasing frames, he gave people the chance to go from 0 to 300fps vs 310 while their rma papers came. Perhaps the greatest FPS improvement ever.

[@singh5105]

This whole Intel stuff actually taught me a lot, luckily my CPU is fine and I locked the all the cores and it’s been good. Good channel, lots of info others don’t tell ya.

[@traingp7]

FOMO over 10 FPS? YES that is who you are building the FASTEST Gaming computers for dude and don't forget it.

[@666Necropsy]

then pay up

[@adamt3149]

might as well switch back to amd

[@bigturkey1]

intels still easier to get stable than amd

[@mitsuhh]

@@bigturkey1 What? AMD takes zero seconds to get stable. No need to overclock 7800x3d

[@amir5199]

@@mitsuhhyou need to optimize your ram settings and it’s really hard and time consuming to fix the dips

[@bigturkey1]

@@mitsuhh you still need to enable the memory complex thing or it takes forever to load, and disable igpu so steam doesnt take forever to load and then you are still stuck with a cpu with amdip

[@bigturkey1]

@@iLegionaire3755 if i put the same cooler on my 12900k and a 7800x3d the 12900k would be at 50-60c in game 7800x3d at 75-85c

[@royboysoyboy]

PEOPLE WITH INTEL 12-14 CPUS: PUT A 1.4/1.45/1.5 VID LIMIT ON YOUR CPU TO PREVENT "SILICON DEGRADATION" -- THAT IS CURRENTLY THE BEST SOLUTION TO THIS PROBLEM. YES, THIS ISSUE CAN ALSO AFFECT 12TH GEN CPUS IF YOU ARE OVERCLOCKING HIGHER THAN YOUR STOCK CLOCKS. MY 5.5 GHZ 12900K ASKED FOR OVER 1.6V IN HWINFO64. YOUR CPU SHOULD NEVER BE ASKING FOR 1.6V UNLESS YOU ARE OC'ING WITH LIQUID NITROGEN, AND EVEN THEN IT'S KNOWN TO DEGRADE THE CPU WITH SUCH HIGH VOLTAGES.

[@austinmcbride7139]

Part of the issue people argue is you can't just RMA an HX laptop. Lots of people are worried about their 13th gen high end machines that can handle 100 watts plus cpu sustained in games

[@DavidNgo86]

The 14650HX and below are safe

[@radugrigoras]

I have a 13980hx and no issues, it’s my work machine so it gets lots of use in cad and simulation. The TDP limit on the best ones is 175w, I think it’s just more fear mongering. Like having car insurance but scared to drive just in case you get in an accident..Just go live your life man, the world ain’t out to get you.

[@BSD2000]

Another issue - OEM manufacturers that use tray processors. I haven't heard anything about how Intel is going to handle failures for tray processors for manufacturers like Dell, HP, etc. They buy processors in bulk, not boxed, and Intel seems to only be honoring boxed processor warranties. Intel is telling prebuilt PC owners to go back to the manufacturer for service - what does that mean for companies like Dell and HP? This could spread out and affect hundreds of other companies who build PC's to order.

[@ognjenjakovljevic494]

14:20 oh now 10 fps means cpu dies or cpu lives but few months ago 10 fps means 300$ more and its so worth HAHAHAHA

[@shesoyam]

16:45 "what smart people do man" -proceeds to drink bubble bath from a 5l mason jar 😆

[@Lethalwick5673]

Class action lawsuit is waiting for intel for sure

[@eilegz]

and thats a good thing, while its meaningless by the time they settle you will receieve what 5 dollars?

[@s3rm0n56]

@@eilegz what's that in fps

[@sarinmcgee2031]

I'm keen to be apart of it. Twice as much as I've spent on a PC and the worst machine I've owned. It's slow in windows. It's just crap

[@WmJamesWofford]

Why u always lying

[@dangerous8333]

Oh shut up. You don't even understand the situation or know what you're talking about

[@Alex-ii5pm]

Who reads the verge after the Stefan PC build. Just because they wrote the article with confidence doesn't mean they are right. Buildzoid even confirms your fix by stating the single core boosts uses way too much voltage in his videos. Locking the cores fixes this so yeah it works.

[@airborn009]

i saw Buildzoids video, and i think he is on point. He recently actually uploaded a Similar video that Frame Chasers did days or a week before Buildzoids video, he used a 14900k and was able to restore stability and even keep the voltage below 1.4v and barely lose any performance at all. i also think this August Microcode fix will probably work if it is similar or better than Buildzoid's fix.

[@rozzbourn3653]

tweezers....

[@get2choppa]

On new cpus. Degraded ones are degraded for life. Derbauer showed the actual cpu being made poorly too on top of the voltage issues

[@Aleww]

“Wrote the article with confidence” LMAO! while wearing his live strong bracelet too.

[@jewelersofwhale]

Issues I have found that caused instability for my 13900ks 1. Newer bios with voltage and power changes. 2. The default values for power/voltage set is 511A, 4096w, 1.447v 3. Intel adaptive boost. Fixes for me: 1. Run the bios where the support for 14th gen was released no newer bios. 2. Set power limit to around 400A and 253w 3. Lock all cores and disable intel adaptive boost. 4. Change to a positive LLC, just to a level where the voltage does not drop during load. With this change my cpu can run at 5.7ghz all cores @ 1.288v instead of 1.37v with zero issues.

[@georgem.6136]

Probably Jays video "Do this now" was the title of his video, of course it was referring to updating Bios.

[@OPTIMUS6LTR]

Jay at this point is a Reacter

[@ayushbhaumik7980]

can you show FPS benchmarks between that degraded i9 you have with locked cores and a normal non-degrade i9?

[@righteousone8454]

Fps will be the same, but lock ups will be sporadic I had degraded 13900k

[@jmtake85]

same!

[@CrackaSlapYa]

OFC I did exactly THAT on day 1. Locked all cores to 5.7ghz (4.5) (14700k) , 1.385v loadline 3. EZ PZ. never gad an issue. Tuned my old ass 6400c32 kit to 7200c32 and it's perfect still a year later.

[@heyguyslolGAMING]

Same here but as much I as prefer Intel; a lot of ppl never tune their pc's out of ignorance or laziness so as much as I hate to admit it AMD is kind of the no brainer choice for most. I'm still sticking w/ Intel tho mainly bc I know my sh!t works and I've already owned 3 AMD systems all of which were horribly unstable.

[@CrackaSlapYa]

@@heyguyslolGAMING no doubt about it- provided it's a 3d-cache version. If I was building new today I'd wait for a 9800x3d probably. If it was a few months ago a no-brainer 7800x3d. But for me, I'm going to wait until Bartlett 12 p-cores and drop it into my Unify - X and keep on truckin'.

[@exsinner]

what ram kit is that? i have similarish 6400c32 kit just wont do higher than 6800c34 without further loosening the timing.

[@zodwraith5745]

Same chip, same settings. Even if there weren't all the doom and gloom I've always locked my cores ever since a Ryzen that kept parking them and they'd refuse to wake up.

[@MrDutch1e]

​@@exsinnerwhat motherboard do you have?

[@wildgg]

I agree that 10 FPS isn't going to change people's gaming experience but that shouldn't be the point. If I buy a product, I buy that product because of it's specs and if that product can't deliver said specs than that's bad no matter how you spin it. If you're oke with losing clockspeeds overtime than you're just signaling to Intel that all of this is oke. "nothing bad happend" Yeah people with i9's just lock your cores at lower clockspeeds. Congrats you now own an i7. Stockholm Syndrome in full force.

[@TheBendixSA]

EXACTLY... we stop chasing frames and start drinking copium the moment intel FUCKS up, then declare "Im done talking about this" but never stops talking about the AMDip.. while pointing at the "Mainstream" screaming murder! Lost a lot of respect for this guy right here. Just call a fucking spade a spade like you said you would.

[@stephenf.p1432]

He did not said lock the core to lower clock. Just said you should lock them to the “max all core boost clock” that you can find intel website,and you lose 0 gaming performance. You have 0 idea about what 2cores@6ghz,8cores@ 5.7ghz is, that means only when you have just 2 core are active and have load running, all other 6 cores are idling, that two cores can boost to 6ghz. I think the concept is trivial enough to be understood. That’s why TVB 3.0 , Max turbo 3.0, all sort of tech are useless when it comes to gaming and non-light load working. When you playing a 3d game , your cpu will not boost up to 6.0ghz, instead, there will be 8cores active and stay at 5.7ghz. Well you could blames intel for advertising useless single core boost shit. But you are not going to lose performance by locking all 8 of your P core to 5.7ghz. Unless you are playing a game call single core benchmarking.

[@wildgg]

@@stephenf.p1432 My comment was mostly based on the statement he made after @13:00 . 13:55 "you're telling me that you have fomo over 10fps?" He's insinuating here that you should be fine with 5.5ghz because you only miss out on 10fps. Which comes back to my original comment, yes 200mhz isn't going to ruin anyones gaming experience but that's not what I signed up for when buying said product. "You have 0 idea about what 2cores@6ghz,8cores@ 5.7ghz is" I'm fully aware of 1. how it works and 2. how useles these single cores boost clocks are. I've always focussed on all cores overclocks rather than single core boosts, but thank you for assuming I have no idea Stephenf.

[@CPRIME-ud1ks]

Honestly, I think your videos have been the most specifically helpful out of all the ones I've seen so far for the i9's. Jayz, GN, etc. all have blanket good advice to start with [BIOS, Wattage, eTVB, etc. ] Raptor Lake just doesn't work the same way. [hence the microcode and eTVB 'fix'] The only flag I had to go off in the start was HWInfo showing voltages running to 1.55-1.65 after trying to manually set to 1.4 in BIOS. Full credit to you for pointing out the Single Core Boost effect; just hadn't considered they were independent of one another.

[@4ujase]

Oxidation is permanent damage. They will be lawsuits if Intel fails to recall their damaged goods.

[@royboysoyboy]

oxidation is not the reason for instability for boxed CPU buyers

[@iambane4546]

I like how he tries to separate himself from "KZbinrs" when he's just a KZbinr himself. It's not about the "mainstream tech tubers", it's about Intel themselves admitting to their F up. Not to mention Epic also saying their having problems with Intel. Let me guess, they also don't know what they're talking about it. You are so delusional and bias to a company, you're just as bad as kids with the console wars over a plastic box.

[@Nevsack63]

I think it's so weird that you always talk about "your bundles" and how unique you are compared to other tech tubers... You mention helping people out, by charging them $500 USD. Really sus bro...

[@ZoneXV]

And then wouldn't help out a guy that already paid him $500 and just reapply his settings after the guy updated his BIOS without wanting $500 more. Dude is a grade A con-artist with full cult leader vibes.

[@Nevsack63]

@@ZoneXV Its horrible... can't believe he double charged him. Like why ??

[@ReventonQ]

Cuz he's a con artist, and ppl are just finding that out 😂 and his "fans" are just sheep who don't know any better

[@iambane4546]

So he charges $500 for a "consult" aka adjusts some bios settings, and doesn't include a thumb drive with the settings backed up on incase BIOS is updated?

[@Asimowild]

So tell us who is better bro​@@ReventonQ

[@Peremptor]

Got a asus strix lp with a 13980hx... undervolting it since i got it in January plus been power limiting it under 100w... best bet i take it is to install the intel oc utility to fine tune it even more. Be nice if laptop buyers could get some kind of rebate paid 2k for mine.

[@patpat4332]

Looks like the only thing dipping is Intel's reputation, workforce and stock price 🤣

[@a120068020]

Dude is not wrong about testing. I have found taming the CPU in terms of heat by way of limiting clock speed / power can yield a slightly improved bench score on some games and 3D Mark, likely because of all the recovery time for the cores/package to cool in order to boost again.

[@jagenaudas8605]

with 253w intel limit allcore boosts higher at low voltage, better score than stock.

[@johngalactus4014]

My "waste of sand" 11900k is not so much a waste now... well, never saw it that way anyway and now I love it even more.

[@Kenny17674]

You're right it's a waste of space considering it's worse than the 10900K only a r3tard would even bother with the 11900K

[@iDeparture]

​@@Kenny17674 "worse than the 10900K"? The Rocket Lake IMC, aside from the limitations regarding Gear 1 and Gear 2 memory support, has the strongest memory controller of all Intel consumer CPUs on 14+++++ lithography. For workstation tasks that would benefit from the 2 more cores/4threads is slightly better and is the only thing the 11900k "loses" to a multicore heavy test benchmark. waste of sand clocks higher with better core quality and its memory controller is insanely strong imc so its going to be able to oc ram much better, it's worse than the 10900K? maybe a r3tard (you) don't know what tf you're talking about..

[@righteousone8454]

The issue is deeper with 13th and 14th gen. On first 13900k I was fixed cored at day 1 and also turned off 5.8ghz boost. Undervolted to 1.29v, Multicore Enhancement off CPU degraded in 5 months 2nd CPU is fine with same settings but limited to 262 watts This chip has issues, no question

[@dangerous8333]

it's not that deep. 👍🏼

[@bloodduty]

It appears that manufacturers face lawsuits on a regular basis. I've owned my 13900KS for more than a year, and I've never left it on auto. Instead, I always draw back on the power limits down to the maximum of 150 watts that I set when I first acquired the CPU. There has been a history of problems on both ends. I did have a 5950x, but after six months, one of the CCDs failed. Yes, I get what people mean when they say, "You pay for a cake; you want the lot." However, if you're playing games, it really doesn't matter; all I do is keep things cooler and use less electricity. The biggest issue now with handwear is that it has gone completely wild to a point. It is like how back in the day, we as PC enthusiasts pushed hard where hard to close to crashing for points is now being done by the manufacturers as standard.

[@k1lluachan]

what did happen to just has to work ???

[@marcopazzi117]

Well he doesn't like to admit anything is bad for business and he is right ;)

[@mmx40000]

Ever since i have upgraded form my 10900 k to a 14900k il got nothing but problems with my system . After i rma the chip and got a new one i decided to delided the cpu and lock the cores to prevents it form boosting ,enforce intel limits i even undervolted it . max temp i have see under laud when doing heavy work laud was about 65 to 75 C , And guess what after about 6 weeks of usage my chip has degraded and start crashing i had to lower it to 5.5 ghz to stop the crashes . and now about 2 weeks after it start crashing back again so i lower it to 5.4 to get it stable i had enough went back to my 10900k oc at 5.4 ghz that is rock solide stable and has give me zero issues since.

[@Peremptor]

Damn that socks man.

[@intelshill5099]

Even when chips perform without crashing, huge voltage spikes for boosting leads to frame pacing issues making everything feel less smooth. Cutting off the top end of that boost just makes these chips better. It is very reasonable, however, to be upset when you pay extra for a chip that is marketed for 6.0ghz boost if it there is no way for it to do so safely. Hopefully Intel can release a microcode update that tightens up the temperature curve for thermal velocity boost in a way that is still capable of delivering the promised performance in certain conditions while also not burning the life of the chip.

[@techmasters4013]

been rocking amd 7900x3d baby , go intel degraded it, just works

[@Gamer-sq8vc]

Oxidation issue only affected a small batch of 13th gen chips from an American plant (forgot which one). PEOPLE: It's not just about setting an adaptive/offset voltage, locking/syncing all-core turbo , and setting appropriate power limits...IT'S ALSO ABOUT disabling the 2-core boost crap!!! So many people don't seem to grasp that last point or just gloss over it. DISABLE THE USELESS 2-CORE BOOST!

[@marcopazzi117]

I am sorry bato but people paid 600 bucks want to make it just work

[@FearWarboar4135]

Ngl I’m still pleased af with my 5800x3D 😂 seeing all the shit that just doesn’t work revalidates that purchase every time. Maxes out my monitor n that’s all I neeeeed baby

[@BelowAmbient]

a fraction of the power, lots of people want more than a 3yr old ddr4 cpu

[@FearWarboar4135]

@@BelowAmbient and more power to them, but when I have a 1440p 240hz monitor and it is maxed out in every game I play well, what good does a 14900k do me. If apex ever uncapped the fps and it didn’t maxout at 300 maybe I’d be incentivized to upgrade the monitor and processor but otherwise it gives me the same results for less hassle

[@bigturkey1]

5800x3d single core performance is only slightly better than a oc 8700k 575 vs 595

[@selmevias1383]

@@FearWarboar4135 If it works for you, all the better dude. Some of us are just tech enthusiasts (and a bit weird) so I ended up blowing up a 7800x3D and a 14900KF lol, but both companies were fair and RMA the damn things.

[@bigturkey1]

@@LordVader1887 in games yea, but in everything else no.

[@slytherben]

I say this pretty often in the comments: I use Adobe apps to make a living. I'm running an Apex Encore, 8000, 13900k, all core set to 54. All because of this channel. Stable. Fast. Happy.

[@bjoza195]

For what is worth i totally understood what you said in the referenced video.

[@pdamasco]

Exactly, he never said you could reverse degradation. He only said you could stop further damage.

[@djpquickplays1244]

I have my brand new 14900kf running loadline calibration 6 on msi carbon z790, manually override set voltage myself, idling at 1.365v, dropping to 1.285v under load. It runs 5.6 all core loads and 5.7 in 5-6 core loads, 5.8 in 3 core loads, 6.0ghz in 1-2 core loads. No crashes for 3 days and I have benched and stressed. You can hit 6ghz still if you use higher idling voltage with more vdroop under load. Chip takes about 1.315-1.32v volts for 5.7 all core, at which point my 360mm aio can not cool it, so 5.6 with up to 6ghz boost on turbo ratio on a manually set, safe voltage I am very happy with.

[@mycelia_ow]

Let's see how long that lasts.....

[@djpquickplays1244]

@mycelia_ow it will last forever, as it is not hitting high voltages. Anything under 1.4v idling and light loads is generally safe, whilst under load anything at or under 1.35v is safe. I've been overclocking since 2014 and every cpu I ever owned showed zero degradation after at least a years ownership by following this simple voltage ceiling.

[@jackskalski3699]

I think that last part you got wrong. If my CPU does only 5.5 GHz why pay for it and not get 7800x3d? That's the point to be mad at Intel... And in Cs go it's not about 300 fps it's about 1%lows or even 0.1% lows

[@The_Chad_]

Your CPU will only do 5.5 if you didn't know what you were doing and let it degrade terriblely in the first place. That's the point where you RMA it and prevent it from becoming a problem again. But yeah, if you don't know how to tune a PC, then just get a 3D, at least right now. It's not like this hasn't happened with Ryzen CPUs in the past and will likely happen again in the future. But for right now, this generation, it's safe to say if you only know how to run your parts with default out of the box settings, go with Ryzen.

[@jackskalski3699]

If you didn't buy Intel... Don't do it. That's the message. You can tweak it to your hearts content but consumer (not sure about b2b) trust is down to zero. This time AMD is the GOAT. I don't see how anyone can recommend it without a boat load of disclaimers.

[@The_Chad_]

@@jackskalski3699 Except the boat load of disclaimers is just- tune it manually and lock the cores to 5.7. Something anybody considering buying an enthusiast level K-series processor should want to do anyway. That prevents EVERYTHING. Any other "disclaimer" is just brainwashing from the mainstream tech press, who have proved they are incompetent AF when it comes to this situation. But if you're worried about it and don't know that running a CPU at 1.6v will kill it, then definitely go with Ryzen or get an i5 or non K i7 or i9. You'll be safe with all of those choices.

[@Twitch_Moderator]

*I gotta say, the shaved head looks awesome on you, dude!* 👍

[@connorharris1900]

You should actually use the bios limiter function for CPU voltage. If the bios has it.

[@defectiveclone8450]

I see prices of the 7800X3D are rock solid.. new and used. Not many sales :) Ryzen 9600x looks to be overpriced VS the 7600 and 7800X3D

[@dangerous8333]

@@iLegionaire3755 If you only game. 😂 Useless to me. 😂

[@robertlewis8608]

Love the content man, yup tech tubers… 99.99% of them are abysmal… then on all the FB groups I don’t charge for my knowledge but I do like to help people been at this for over 30 years as an extreme enthusiast/xocer that just games these days. The amount of blowback I get it’s like really it’s Normally the fanboys… they are the worst. Everyone I have helped have been golden before any of this blew up, and helped many a people in the middle of this crap show from the degraded to none degraded. Keep doing what you’re doing, you are about the only one online that I even trust that does things like I do.

[@s3rm0n56]

The amount of haters wishing cpu death on everyone and hoping that every single chip has permanent degradation or oxidisation is crazy... they call fixes or preventative tuning "coping", and can't accept that there are people who worked this out months ago, had zero problems, and are happy with their 14900k

[@direct34]

Learned a lot from lurking. I'm good with 12900k. 5.2ghz 8c/16t for that L2 cache and ring boost made big diff. DDR4 cheap and >240 fps, I not spending a penny more or updating shit. It should just work, set once and forget. Nobody talking about $240 12900k's.

[@slinky4550]

This great for the consumers who stay updated with pc tech but for the average consumer which is most of them they just want to plug it in and just play a game. They don’t know how to lock cores or under volt so those people are going to be struggling.

[@papasmurf5598]

The new bios is working great for my 14900KS. 6.0 to 6.2Ghz with no crashes. The new microcode is controlling the boost. I can run Cenebench without it crashing and my Cod games are doing fine.

[@DavidNgo86]

Interesting

[@geesehoward7261]

All of this is the biggest load of shit to me. I understood day 1 when pluggin in the 13900k with stock settings that the shit ran too hot. Set the volts at 1.3 and all core 5.6 and never had an issue since. Did this with my 13900ks as well. It's not even an issue.

[@arc00ta]

cue all the posts about switching to AMD

[@jonathanjones7751]

It’s like when everyone was going to move to Canada if Trump won. It’s not going to happen. You’ll have a couple people (who never had a 13/14 gen cpu to begin with) buy AMD realize “wow this is basically the same” and move on. Only difference being is inevitably when AMD has an issue (this stuff happens, these are some of the most complex things humans have ever built) it will be swept under the rug post haste because as we know AMD can do no wrong

[@selmevias1383]

the videocardz/wccftech/reddit shills are never far away lol

[@DavidNgo86]

Lol

[@_Mystic1978_]

There is a solution to all this controversy about premature degradation in Intel 13th and 14th generation. I discovered it under an oscilloscope a week ago. It is as simple as entering the following bios parameter: IA VR Voltage limit between 1350 and 1400mv. That's it, you don't need to do anything else to avoid transients or voltage spikes beyond 1.5 or 1.6 v, as happens with the default parameters, even with the Intel baseline profile. Responder

[@vladimirotes5470]

so its AMDig vs INTEL_BSOD at the moment? pretty tough choice to be honest

[@LorentGuimaraes]

I locked everything, power limit clocks.... Sometimes my i9 downclocks all the way to 5100 on BF 2042, nearly identical FPS and ten degrees cooler... I'm happy as a clam

[@laurentkhiati783]

it would be nice to have intel xtu profiles for each cpu model downloadable from the manufacturer's page. 21 bios updates. a new car 21 at the garage for adjustments.

[@SNKev411]

I like this guy when he recommend something he don't miss. He recommended an asrock nova motherboard its awesome. He also recommended a Samsung G8 4k monitor and it is amazing Keep doing your thing frame chasers you are awesome bro

[@WmJamesWofford]

xoxoxo

[@thefreecase]

You are so right with your statements. Most important of your statements is what's the goal?

[@slazy824]

Got my fresh 14900k from warranty yesterday (:

[@mycelia_ow]

​@@mehck-gk9yn Just undervolt and never overclock, this entire issue can be bottled down to voltage.

[@dangerous8333]

@@mehck-gk9yn Lmao, you're scared? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@dangerous8333]

@@mycelia_ow There are ways to do it AND overclock. 👍🏼

[@ZaPirate]

straight to the point. "We are selling to willing buyers at the current fair market price."

[@jonathanjones7751]

Phenomenal reference. Jeremy irons crushed his role (they all did)

[@Hammercannon]

i used your video to get my 14900k to 5.8ghz P cores, 4.6ghz Ecore. stable. I don't really care about degradation though, ill just replace it if it dies.

[@TronixA]

I had locked down the cores to 56 and added an offset of .05v initially on my i9-13900KS but recently, due to recent random BSODs, I had to up the offset to .08v. I'm concerned that something else needs to be set in the BIOS to stop the degradation. Any suggestions?

[@TronixA]

Update...I set the IA VR Voltage Limit from Auto to 1350. My system is a bit slower but, from what I read, it should halt all further degradation. Hopefully, this will fix the issue for now. I'll probably just end up buying a replacement Intel i9 once the prices drop further.

[@SamuelWorkman-f5r]

I am just a lowly 12900 /7800xt user I prob have a trash PC but It is good for my needs . But i Have learned a lot about my next built from the Jufus and I appreciate it . THank you sir

[@crnppscls]

Any numbskull can build a modular piece of electronics, it’s not difficult. When it goes wrong it’s a different story. Couple that with the 50% no now 70%. 110% OF ALL InTeL is degraded videos. Monetising their layman comfort echo chambers. Ironically though, I’ve learned more about techtubers during this debacle, than anything about computer hardware, so in that respect, it’s been an enlightening experience

[@disclaimer4211]

I think you should test an oc'd delided 7900x3d vs a locked core i914900k

[@EdDisabledVet]

You were clear as far as I know. Do x, y, and z if your silicon is degraded to stop further degradation and crashes. You never said or implied that the damage was reversible. Anyone with a brain knows you were atalking about fixing the crashes, not the CPU.

[@michaelsoutherland3023]

Welcome the "news" of today, it's a game of semantics for manipulation and clickbait. 2:00 Always lock and then under-volt while balancing energy/heat and performance.

[@a120068020]

If it doesn't matter going to 6GHz or 5.7GHz for example - makes you wonder why Intel and AMD keep pushing clocks.

[@johnSmith-ik7pp]

Your very knowledge but I'm wondering... On a new CPU that one would get after a RMA, could you not just enable all power limits instead of locking all cores, as imo the unlimited power is what damaged the CPU's in the first place? I say this because I have a 13900KS on an ASUS Apex motherboard. Since the first day I owned it I enabled power limits by disabling Asus Multicore Enhancement. As a result my 13900KS is stable (I play Star Citizen which hammers the CPU), can boast to 6GHz and has a max Voltage of 1.45-ish volts according to HWiNFO64. Just saying enforcing power limits on a new CPU gives a higher clock speed compared to locking all core. Just wondering about your thoughts on this.

[@nyyra]

With INTC stock going the way it is, i doubt this is the last time you talk about this. It's not the main cause but sure is helping. Investor confidence on "it just works" is going down

[@eilegz]

They are rejecting RMA the CPU thats the point, im glad you provided the alternative while intel try to "fix it".

[@timtoomuch]

Is it OK to leave voltage on auto or should I give it a - offset after locking cores?I just got a new 13900k from Intel

[@ИльяКазаков-э4ф]

Just return it while you can!!! I say that as 14900k owner, return your mobo and ram as well and just get an amd system

[@valentinosgsxr]

You should always under-volt if you know how its done because not all the chips are equal.

[@timtoomuch]

@valentinosgsxr hey thanks for your help bro

[@RulosMagicos]

Hola! Alder lake is affected as well? or only 13th and 14th? Thanks!

[@TheMakk3]

12th gen isn't affected. Only 13/14th gen is.

[@RulosMagicos]

@@TheMakk3 thank you!

[@factsseeker3542]

I knew this would happen on RL i9s since first time i used them, no processor should hit 100c temperature, glade i got 14700k and not the i9, even on this one i disabled HT and undervolted now temps never exceed 75-80c.

[@borisgrishenk0]

Here for that sweet, sweet arbitrary 3.6% FOMO math

[@WasLostNow_Found]

Imagine a company who makes cpu and gpu undervolted in package

[@ultra_sound.]

I dont think that running all the P cores at 5.7ghz @1.38~1.4v depending on your cpu is a good idea. Intel default settings, cep off, and adjust yourLLC, AC, and DC.

[@club4ghz]

That's exactly what I run with my 13600K. I ran 8700K at 1.4v 5 years + 1 year at 1.45v before getting i5.

[@lexsanderz]

I always say: we want solutions not problems. Oh no something is .... ok how do I fix it.

[@Skynet_11]

So now Intel still better than AMD?😆

[@TheBendixSA]

Yes, on this channel intel is alway the winner, even if you have a fucked CPU that you have to lock at hundreds of MHz below advertised speeds so it doesn't break. Fucking copium

[@geesehoward7261]

All the tubers care about is clicks and their money

[@jeffreychatfield7881]

Some of the main stream reviewers also had the opinion right from the get go that the 13th and 14yh gen were poshed to hard and would most likely it would go wrong for intel at some time right?

[@miguelcollado5438]

Not surprised this is happening to Intel, they have been pulling this shady shit on consumers since the 90's... And their chip manufacturing is taking a massive hit on poor yields as well. Expect their shares to continue tanking, along with unfortunate layoffs. They allowed this to happen.

[@jovanpejic]

Ok, but there are less than 1 per thousand of us. In "us" I include myself, who is far behind Jefus in terms of skills. People like you Jefus are 1 in 1000 of all of "us". And when you put it in a larger context, where 99.9% of people have no idea what's going on there (nor are they interested) and don't know that bios exists, but only how to enter it and find what needs to be changed - that is a huge problem. All those solutions are for 20,000 people out (on condition that we all have those processors) of 10,000,000+ who have those processors :D I don't know how Intel thinks and calculates that we are all just enthusiasts who will solve every problem with a few clicks like their top engineers... Look at some streamer who is therefore a bit more savvy in terms of technology... When he says he doesn't know exactly what's in a PC or wonders "I have a 14900KF... I guess it's good"... You can immediately see that he has no idea what a PC is. I work in a company where there are thousands of computers and where almost no one cares what's on them. "Working? Yes. They are good... Does not work? Buy some." Who will care and think to search and even try to find your video to solve that problem? I'll tell you - no one.

[@mypeeps1965]

I have both 13700k and a 5900x systems running side by side, and when AMD had similar voltage issues and chips dying, the outrage wasn't the same. After several microcode fixes? it was pronounced a non issue? although usb, wifi and other peripherals are still having issues. This problem seems similar, for the same reasons, trying to be number one on clocks! The real difference is how the "MEDIA" is covering this! Its like they are trying to destroy intel, and it seems personal. This problem is easily fixed by capping the voltage, same as AMD. This all seems like a hit piece to destroy another American company! You could see the problem from both MFR'S from jump, trying to push a shit load of voltage into the CPU's. I owned a shop, selling PC H/W for 35 years and anyone with more than a single brain cell could see this coming and had a fix. There are novice users that will be hurt by this, like AMD, but its fixable. I don't think the outrage is coming from just users as much as a political agenda, I think this is Chinese propaganda and trying to bring down another American company. Intel needs to issue a fix like AMD, but the politics behind this from foreign entities is different. Looking forward to intelligent replies, but not anticipating any....LOL This seems like a battel from the uninformed and clowns , but the money behind this is real! PS, I'm not here for answers, just truth! I will push back on 6HZ, Intel promised that, and cant deliver after the microcode refit, then that's on them, but lets see if they can first?

[@jonathanjones7751]

Not sure about the China stuff (although a possible and reasonable scenario), but people love to hate on Intel. It’s always been true and probably always will be (until Gamers Nexus and co find their new flavor of the month issue to get everyone fired up the Linus tech tips to Asus to more Asus to Intel crusade(s) is a masterpiece of viewer engagement). I’ve also been in the game a long time although less than you. I’ve had one intel branded part die and it was a server power supply I bought used. I’ve had two personal AMD systems die (1700x bone stock which everyone just forgot about) and a Bulldozer system (that one was my bad, got greedy those things are f*cking bulletproof until you fat finger 1.6 volts). Building on what you said about it sounding personal I completely agree which I find especially funny since at least some of this is on the motherboard companies. Nothing wrong with having configurations with unlimited power and boost duration just don’t have it be the out of the box setting. Let the enthusiasts do enthusiast stuff and let consumers have a curated experience for now with the option for more.

[@mypeeps1965]

@@jonathanjones7751 true enough.

[@Sectorz]

@Framechasers Couple things imo 1) No people that buyed or have delided their CPU are not people that read all Tech tuber or website and it unfair for them for have their CPU degraded or dead for somethings that they are not responsible. They should honnor their warranty delided or not imo. 2) locking the core at 55 exemple when you buyed a 14900KS for what 1200$ Can ? Sorry but you cannot just say it crying, that personne will have buyed a 13900K maybe used for 550$ to have know before. If you like been fucked by big tech compagnie.... it not the case for everyone. What you suggests is perfect imo for a "pending" solution for be able to game that totaly fine. But as a final solution and say fuck it ?? No why man would have been mad af if I was touched by that problem like most buyer.

[@griffin1366]

I thought I was going insane.. Finally a voice of reason. Mainstream, reddit etc... It's like a different world.

[@thomasjones4131]

If people really want to still buy Intel CPUs now. I would say to them just wait for 2 or 3 months more for Intel, third-party mb manufacturers, and the community to run tests on any fixes that Intel comes up with. alternatively, find someone with overclocking experience to manually config the bios to the CPU's spec or a little under spec until Intel sorts out their shit.

[@pcrundown]

7 comments total for you. I have great value!😁

[@radugrigoras]

Just think of all the ppl whining all over the world, wasting time, meanwhile realistic people submitted an RMA a month ago and are playing on a new chip while the rest are still crying.

[@jimmer411]

You were pretty clear that a degraded CPU cant be fixed in the video, just made to work

[@selmevias1383]

Yeah but the perpetually outraged ones have to be outraged about something right?

[@dangerous8333]

*Degraded chip. It is a fix for a new CPU, replacement and people that adjusted the settings in their bios on day one.

[@ashtoncarroll840]

I turned off intels enhanced turbo setting in the bios when I got my 14900k and it’s always ran at 5.7ghz.

[@revolverswitch]

Im thinking about upgrading my 12600k, should I just stick to 12th gen?

[@davidsmith4186]

9950x3d 🤷‍♂️

[@revolverswitch]

@@davidsmith4186 I'm not in a position to replace mobo + ram though.

[@valentin3186]

Just don't leave it at stock, auto

[@kuttsukukoff]

I had that CPU until I sold it and went with i7-13700K a few months ago. Keep that i5-12600k and hold on to it tight! I'm already missing that beautifully built CPU.

[@revolverswitch]

@@valentin3186 what bios settings do you recommend then?

[@Manny-ni1vw]

Nice to see a different take instead of the general doom and gloom clickbait.

[@michelangelodrawcars5778]

I don't want to be the slimy guy but let them fear THE DEGRADATION and sell their chip for 200 on ebay, I'll buy 5, Intel gets forced into not making dumb shit and casuals will enjoy their place with amd until that blows up. Short term wins for everyone.

[@cmdrstarlion7179]

LOLOLOLOL lets buy a 6gz to play single core cinebench LOLOLOLOL