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Finding Equilibrium

Finding Equilibrium

Күн бұрын

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@federarcolanditera5312
@federarcolanditera5312 Жыл бұрын
Mariano asking if Mikita has the balls for a 20k USD raise bluff? LoL
@wildpleasureswildpleasures2355
@wildpleasureswildpleasures2355 Жыл бұрын
It’s sarcasm, he was fishing a reaction
@wildpleasureswildpleasures2355
@wildpleasureswildpleasures2355 Жыл бұрын
@@nikitaorap8154 I see… I didn’t watch the stream that would be possible as well
@3betmonkey
@3betmonkey Жыл бұрын
​@@wildpleasureswildpleasures2355 He immediately looks down at his own hand after saying it. He doesnt even look at Mikita for a reaction.
@DrivenTrucking
@DrivenTrucking Жыл бұрын
Definitely a joke, Mariano would never say anything like that to any of the spots in the game, so it’s very clear he respects Mikita and understands he’s in a bad situation.
@GHE-bv1pf
@GHE-bv1pf 5 ай бұрын
Mariano respects his opponents no matter who they are. It is obviously a joke since everyone knows Mikita is a biggest crusher in the world. Very surprising flop check from Mariano. Most live pros would bet this hand on the flop and check the turn since A heavily interacts with 3 bettors range.
@jf5618
@jf5618 Жыл бұрын
Was anyone else pleasantly surprised to see Mikita in the game? Outside of Triton cash games at mega nosebleeds, I really haven’t seen him in the cash realm. Good job Hustler! And always, well done here in the most underrated poker channel on YT!
@Gos1234567
@Gos1234567 Жыл бұрын
Yea id like to see more of the elite players in these games but i doubt the regs there would welcome it ;-)
@YallaMiami
@YallaMiami Жыл бұрын
I thought my Channel is the most underrated channel!
@Nikkola.369
@Nikkola.369 Жыл бұрын
100% He's a phenomenal player online and live! Not many can pull both off at a high level. He's got mad skillz!! Mariano is a great player and I like how the video illustrated there are levels! Good video!!
@jf5618
@jf5618 Жыл бұрын
@@Gos1234567 lol…pretty sure you’re 100% accurate there! ;-)
@Brazz27
@Brazz27 Жыл бұрын
I learned in the video that he played at Hustler lol.. I wouldve watched for sure knowing in advance he played there. Similar to when Dwan played, you can tell they are on a different level.
@justaguy5761
@justaguy5761 Жыл бұрын
"Mikita is not your typical Fish." Well done 😂
@santaclause3487
@santaclause3487 Жыл бұрын
I’m surprised they even let Mikita play in this game
@victordavalos6198
@victordavalos6198 Жыл бұрын
Why?
@antonistoyanov2144
@antonistoyanov2144 Жыл бұрын
Of course they will,he is a top g
@kevintang4340
@kevintang4340 Жыл бұрын
@@victordavalos6198because they usually don’t invite top pros as they are usually too tight and also not as enteraining
@06nishant
@06nishant Жыл бұрын
They won't call him more than couple of times fs. No-one wanna play against these top regs.
@josephweekes1660
@josephweekes1660 Жыл бұрын
excellent breakdown as always . I particularly like the part where you spoke about how equities change in XXXX lines, with stronger MMHs increasing in equity and weaker ones decreasing, and the effect this has on strategy. Never heard anyone talking about this before
@tobyc8905
@tobyc8905 Жыл бұрын
MMHs?
@Tobi-pn2xs
@Tobi-pn2xs Жыл бұрын
@@tobyc8905 Marginal made hands
@santaclause3487
@santaclause3487 Жыл бұрын
@@Tobi-pn2xs blah blah blah
@SoulfightPoker
@SoulfightPoker Жыл бұрын
The end of the video is very important too, Mariano immediately assumed the nuts when Mikita xRaised, which to be fair, probably every opponent Mariano has faced up to this point is only repping the nuts in this spot. But going through the entire hand, we know neither player has the nuts in their range anymore, so Mikita can raise strong but not nutted hands, and Mariano should shift to wanting to block that range of hands more, not a straight that's no longer in range
@Stefanburakov
@Stefanburakov Жыл бұрын
Yes and thats why this play is so unreal good. its like 0% mariano have KQ JJ 1010 AA and a very good chance he have AJ A10 AQ and J10s so just excellent read
@SoulfightPoker
@SoulfightPoker Жыл бұрын
I love this game, beautifully complex, yet logical. Its funny cause in this spot if Mikita just went like 4k, 10k, 20k he probably would've made more in this exact situation, however, with very balanced lines like this he's obviously infinitely harder to play against than a typical live player. And of course knowing these theoretical concepts will improve your game in every spot, not just one specific situation. Thanks FE for sharing them with us
@matta5749
@matta5749 Жыл бұрын
“I’d rather have AQ” is a classic thought process mistake that good but not great players fall into. Overfixation on blocking the nuts and no consideration of unblocking bluffs.
@virajs.8864
@virajs.8864 Жыл бұрын
or because it would be way easier to fold
@matta5749
@matta5749 Жыл бұрын
@@virajs.8864 he was clearly saying he’d rather have AQ as a bluffcatcher imo
@Galahand87
@Galahand87 Жыл бұрын
J and T block bluffs too. Any pair of J/T with K/Q kicker could bluff.
@danielcsorba6686
@danielcsorba6686 Жыл бұрын
Yeah. You must be the guy who plays big stakes as well. Where can we see you playing?
@Roman-uc3bs
@Roman-uc3bs Жыл бұрын
In this case, blocking value is more relevant than unblocking bluffs. JT blocks sets
@longstroker68
@longstroker68 Жыл бұрын
This is the difference between a pro like Mikita & a run em up gambler like Mariano. Mikita knows spots, and he knows where the max value button lies, man v boy
@Ze.NiTH_
@Ze.NiTH_ Жыл бұрын
Your content is literally a gold mine! Please keep it pumpin 🙏
@YallaMiami
@YallaMiami Жыл бұрын
I don’t want to get a headache and watch it, what did he say?
@santaclause3487
@santaclause3487 Жыл бұрын
@@YallaMiamiexactly. Just sounds like blah blah blah
@YallaMiami
@YallaMiami Жыл бұрын
@@santaclause3487 bro! He is talking nonstop and the background is filled with bunch of tables with colors and you have no idea if you should listen to him or zoom in on those tables and what exactly they mean!
@Stefanburakov
@Stefanburakov Жыл бұрын
Mikita is unreal good IMO always was and always will be
@vlsh919
@vlsh919 Жыл бұрын
I watched all of your videos, that one of the best, you finally getting little slower and more clear, cool bit behind, and as usual very interesting hand I know Mikita for many years personally, he is insane poker player Thank you, keep making your videos, you are as good on poker KZbin as Mikita playing) Ps: thank you for 200bb straddle Vs positions 🤝
@consumer61
@consumer61 Жыл бұрын
Yes, big improvement in this video
@Ectomesoendo
@Ectomesoendo Жыл бұрын
There are also levels to poker videos. This was crazy. Your graphics and breakdown broke my brain.
@leonidasp.3813
@leonidasp.3813 Жыл бұрын
How I miss commenting this one? I've seen this video 4-5 times and it's one of my favourites. Great analysis!
@albertosamaniego2476
@albertosamaniego2476 Жыл бұрын
fish2013 online legend
@JeffBoski
@JeffBoski Жыл бұрын
Nice relevant instrumental selection Finding Equilibrium. One of my favorite songs!
@JeffBoski
@JeffBoski Жыл бұрын
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@petercross2824
@petercross2824 Жыл бұрын
It’s crazy to see how good at poker some people are
@PhoenixTTD
@PhoenixTTD Жыл бұрын
Yeah, I was surprised to see Mikita on HCL. They have such an aversion to good poker.
@SeánMurphy-f2p
@SeánMurphy-f2p 7 ай бұрын
What software are you using?
@joelkellam9373
@joelkellam9373 Жыл бұрын
@6:24 how much is is a medium bet?
@DrivenTrucking
@DrivenTrucking Жыл бұрын
Very solid content
@Nadestorms
@Nadestorms Жыл бұрын
Badz is such a good player I just root against him in Triton events… it feels weird rooting for him here but HCL is the Kardashians of the poker world. So good job Fish.
@cristobalmendozalopez2707
@cristobalmendozalopez2707 Жыл бұрын
i think exactly the same lol
@GTOfishh
@GTOfishh Жыл бұрын
nice
@Brazz27
@Brazz27 Жыл бұрын
I can't root against him, I feel Im learning so much just by watching him.
@rooksman64
@rooksman64 Жыл бұрын
why do you root against him exactly?
@SamOween
@SamOween Жыл бұрын
@@rooksman64 he wants underdogs to win
@emphyriohazzl1510
@emphyriohazzl1510 Жыл бұрын
Wonderful video! I always love your content but it's getting even better :)
@KyleSweigart
@KyleSweigart Жыл бұрын
Holy shit, the LSG Hank shriek in the middle of Mariano's decision. So good hahaha
@joelkellam9373
@joelkellam9373 Жыл бұрын
@6:24 does bet 10.00 mean bet 10BB?
@JR-cm9sh
@JR-cm9sh Жыл бұрын
Does GTOx have a trainer where u can just play hands vs the AI or is it only a review tool?
@camilotm
@camilotm Жыл бұрын
I got one question,at @13:57 it's said that we always prefer to focus on blocking value since there are more value combos than bluffs,but shouldn't we focus insted on unblocking bluffs? ,because if we block bluffs ,we could potentially be blocking a bigger % of the villains bluffing range ,we know that the wider the range,the less important are blockers and off course the value range is wider than the bluffing range.
@FindingEquilibrium
@FindingEquilibrium Жыл бұрын
Not always- It depends on the specific situation, but in most scenarios you are "supposed" to have more value than bluff on the river. Blockers are a function of shifting probabilities and so you generally want to focus on the combos that change the probabilities of as much of villain's range as possible. Ideally you want to focus on both value and bluff but sometimes it can be hard when there's an overlap of cards that bluff and value bet, so the suggestion to focus on the value portion (which should have more combos) is just a way to simplify complex spots.
@camilotm
@camilotm Жыл бұрын
@@FindingEquilibrium yeah,off course ,actually on the river we must have more values than bluffs,otherwise we would be obviously overbluffing. Also,I agree that in some situations,blocking value may be more important than unblocking bluffs,(seen as the general impact of our specific hand in creating that sort of umbalance in villain's bluff-to value ratio).But, my point is that in general(not considering an specific spot,instead what could work in most cases),we should focus more on unblocking bluffs,for the reason explained in my last comment . This example comes in my mind: - pot size bet ,villain has 10 value combos and 5 bluff combos(balanced), -we have a hand that blocks 5 combos of bluffs and 8 combos of value. If we focus or prioritize value,we could be tempted to call right? (because ,as said in the video,there are more value combos than bluffs available).But the fact is that even though we are blocking only 5 bluffing combos ,those represent 100% of villain's bluffing range. Im aware that im giving an specific example ,but wouldn't it work in most cases aswell? since what remains true in all spots is that in order to be balanced villain is supposed to always have less bluff combos than value combos(as a necessary but obviously not sufficient condition).Also it could be even more critical in spots in which the bet size is really small.
@timmulder6362
@timmulder6362 Жыл бұрын
Can you make a part two for the A10 of spades from Mikita vs 910 of hearts from Marianno from last night? Quite an interesting hand wich I feel like both parties could've played better. The hand was played at the end of the first hour.
@JeffZuccMusk
@JeffZuccMusk Жыл бұрын
The disrespect of the 1500 bet is insane
@Bisirsky
@Bisirsky Жыл бұрын
Lol I know. We all see this a lot in our games. It's funny to pull the trigger after that.
@ewallt
@ewallt Жыл бұрын
I didn’t understand the comment at the very end, which said to prioritize blockers of value combinations when the blockers involved contained both types of blockers (value and bluffs) because there were more of them. If there’s fewer bluff blocker combinations, then wouldn’t blocking these be more important?
@nathanielmorgan3592
@nathanielmorgan3592 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, Mariano played this hand very well. Can't fault him for calling river against a capable opponent.
@abstract1603
@abstract1603 Жыл бұрын
What are y talking about ? His river size bet face up his hand ..he should bet big ip. River play was 2/10
@moneymikz
@moneymikz Жыл бұрын
Great choice of music…there’s gonna be Dreams and Nightmares in this hand
@noworldforeric
@noworldforeric Жыл бұрын
he preferred having AQ because he would've had a much easier decision.... lol
@juniorperavlova
@juniorperavlova Жыл бұрын
Was just about to comment that
@sneakerworldromania32
@sneakerworldromania32 Жыл бұрын
and then his following comment of " instead of this crap " just denies your deduction. You're welcome.
@jjdelagarza4dpoker918
@jjdelagarza4dpoker918 Жыл бұрын
Sick video! Subscribed! What software is this?
@WillPage
@WillPage Жыл бұрын
Mariano bet the river because good players don't miss out on value, you are almost crazy not to bet for value in that spot. What intrigues me is the size, it is almost a check and his reaction doesn't gel with "oh I was hoping he'd raise" so why bet at all? If he bets 60% pot or 120% pot, assuming he is best and can beat most A's or slow played QQ-KK, if he get's raised like this, it's an almost immediate fold. He made it harder to fold to a river raise by giving Mikita the opportunity to raise HUGE, making it look like a bluff (something a player of his calibre, is capable of). I think it's a fold for Mariano, but in a beast vs beast vacuum, the entire hand makes a lot of sense. I think Mariano played outside himself with that tiny river bet, due to a sense of occasion, naturally, I think he bets big there, to polarise his range but his tricky dickiness got him in trouble.
@phrog6073
@phrog6073 Жыл бұрын
oh damn why did u delete the vid
@Doodz613
@Doodz613 Жыл бұрын
How is it possible for anyone to be thinking a fifteen minute videos worth of calculations and analysis in a high stakes, high pressure situation such as this?
@jj4511-w7z
@jj4511-w7z Жыл бұрын
I think Mariano said he would have preferred to have AQ in this spot so that he could fold, but idk obv.
@FromBangkokToBali
@FromBangkokToBali Жыл бұрын
I don’t even understand why this person would even analyze this hand. If just about anyone flops two pair against a flopped set, value is going to be extracted. Matter of fact if he bets big on the flop he probably get all of Mariano’s money.
@dustyguadian7570
@dustyguadian7570 Жыл бұрын
This was amazing content thank you !
@pokematt
@pokematt Жыл бұрын
Great video like always!
@alpn88
@alpn88 Жыл бұрын
I’d like to see his reaction if Mikita showed 22😂
@ivoplsek
@ivoplsek Жыл бұрын
all this analysis is nice and everything: but how about this…Mikita knows that Mariano is super aggrressive and that he is able to go bombastic even when he has nothing….so the good way to play against this guy is to occassionally trap him in this brutal way
@AlbanianRS
@AlbanianRS Жыл бұрын
“There’s levels to this” as Mikita manages to torch over $40k the second night and Mariono wins close to $90k….
@evrenturan5632
@evrenturan5632 Жыл бұрын
Alternatively, 99 is a three street hand on some run outs and 20k on the river does not make up for the lost value.
@charlieyou97
@charlieyou97 Жыл бұрын
would have been fun if they swapped hands and Mikita found the 3b bluff w JT OTR
@frenfrenfren
@frenfrenfren Жыл бұрын
insane analysis keep it coming
@aramsarkisyan8061
@aramsarkisyan8061 Жыл бұрын
I think calling here is not really good. The reason for that is most of J pairs QQ and KK just call the river, considering the bet size and just overall big number of hands that may call you. Not enough bluffs here for me, considering the price - value ratio
@rodb.5801
@rodb.5801 Жыл бұрын
This analysis is very result oriented. If Mariano had a hand more in line with his actions, or if he just checked back for a third time, would everyone be saying that 3 checks with virtual nuts was a fabulous play? Mikita was very lucky that Mariano was at the top of his range. and more typical lines would have yielded similar result without the risk of making no money. Imagine Mariano had a hand like JK (very much inline with his range), Mikita would have given him 2 free shots at his 8 outer, and if Mariano bluffed the river with a similar bet Mikita would have won the minimum, while allowing Mariano to realize his full equity for nothing.
@simonh.1433
@simonh.1433 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to comment before i finish the video just not to be biased by the outcome. I guess Mikita has a decent portion of his range on the river that just wants to go to showdown (weak suited Aces, 2nd pairs etc) and therefore has a decent amount of natural checks. Given he opted for the passive line with 9s twice its probably one of the best ch/r candidates available on the river because he unblocks villians most likely valuebetting range on the river (AQ,JTs etc etc) and the only way to increase his value by a single street is to ch/r or go for a massive overbet himself. Overbetting has the downside that you probably end up betting smaller than a ch/r would allow you and checking 3 times is way harder to balance with your nutted range + in the real world not often occuring therefore the bluff catching portion of most people would increase in calldown frequency. As a simple man would say "what do you want to tell me mate...call" xD Lets see what happens, thank you as always for your analysis :)
@cypherchaos
@cypherchaos Жыл бұрын
Dnegs folded a str to Mikita’s boat. Remember that one? Great clip. Now I need to see if you broke that one down. 😂 Thanks for the vid!
@terrencegarske3522
@terrencegarske3522 Жыл бұрын
You think Makita 10X'ed preflop with K,10 or J,8 ?
@Pebble_Collector
@Pebble_Collector Жыл бұрын
I think I'd have called to be honest. Fish can definitely have AA here, probably KQs and KQo, probably JJ (but less likely with the blocker) and maybe 99 (guess he definitely can have that) or TT (less likely with the blocker). He can also have quite a lot of bluffs here because of how capped Mariano looks. I feel like any pair with a Q or a K is decent and of course QQ or KK. Sucks that you don't lock the straight but at the same time I kinda like it because you don't block the cards he might turn into a bluff. Very nice check on the turn from Fish though. I like the sizing on the river too. I'd have gone for 16k, he went even bigger with 20.
@Pebble_Collector
@Pebble_Collector Жыл бұрын
I typed that before you showed what the solver would have done. Nice.
@DrEdMaN616
@DrEdMaN616 Жыл бұрын
Not really sure why you are calling Mikita ‘fish’ here. Also not really agreeing with your analysis on x twice with a straight, think KQ is a pure bet both streets since we unblock every calling hand besides pair+draw. I think both players played this hand really well regardless of outcome.
@Pebble_Collector
@Pebble_Collector Жыл бұрын
@@DrEdMaN616 I mean I've always known him as Fish from back in the day. Yeah I don't think I'm checking OTT with KQ that often but I do think I can find it some of the time. I would have been more concerned about AA though, from Mariano's perspective. Which also means I'm probably calling with JT. I guess AJ is the best bluff catcher because you block AA and JJ, the two hands that make most sense imo.
@jamesforeman8028
@jamesforeman8028 Жыл бұрын
@@DrEdMaN616his online name is actually fish
@Stockhandle123
@Stockhandle123 Жыл бұрын
This is such an easy river fold.
@nathanielveimau303
@nathanielveimau303 6 ай бұрын
I thought Mariano wanted to have AQ in that spot so his decision (to fold) would be easier, not that he'd rather call with that hand.
@MarksVideos
@MarksVideos Жыл бұрын
“There’s levels to this poker sh!t” -Meek Mill
@stonecoldfox5064
@stonecoldfox5064 Жыл бұрын
Mikita is such a beast
@keithmason1485
@keithmason1485 Жыл бұрын
I don't really know if this is a good example of their being levels. Mariano plays his hand just fine and I think Mikita missed value by not going bigger with his raise.
@ryanjones4150
@ryanjones4150 Жыл бұрын
This was a good analysis, I learn important concepts from watching this channel. The comments though ! All the armchair quarterbacks putting down Mariano. He's just a kid who a few years ago was delivering pizzas and now he's playing high-stakes all the time with a bankroll he built from playing cash. He got to the river cheap with the second best hand, that was under-repped and the solver even shows that he should call. One of the comments states that the $1,500 bet was "disrespectful" lol. What I think is disrespectful is the tagline of this video, which one is Mariano supposed to be, recreational or riff-raff ?
@lightmobile
@lightmobile Жыл бұрын
Such levels... profiting off a cooler.
@gs6810
@gs6810 2 ай бұрын
So they both played it more less correct. I can't imagine Mariano, or anyone for that matter, is going to check J10 there 3 times and the solver only has Call or 3 bet as viable options to the re-raise.
@ts9576
@ts9576 Жыл бұрын
Dude running this channel is so clueless he doesn't even get what Hustler tries to do. It's not all about nerd poker buddy. The best poker games in the world are nerd free and that's why they are the best. Their goal is to present as close to a home game atmosphere as possible. They randomly let a fewnerds in but for the most part they don't ruin their stream letting the cockroaches in. It's common sense. That's why its the best stream going right now.
@zuvmagnuv
@zuvmagnuv Жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Thanks.
@TheTiltedOne
@TheTiltedOne Жыл бұрын
I think this is an odd way of saying flopped trips held off against an open ended straight post flop with both people checking entire board to river then donk jammed hoping to buy off a bluff.
@buckleup8962
@buckleup8962 Жыл бұрын
Great analysis and showing the next level of the game. While this was an amazing play it is interesting Mikita won $23,675 on this hand and finished +25k on the night. Variance of one night I guess.
@chriss4836
@chriss4836 Жыл бұрын
The guy who runs like the wind getting raised huge on the river and calling without even top 2 on a board with a straight tells us all we need to know. Don’t take poker too seriously guys
@chriss4836
@chriss4836 Жыл бұрын
All the graphs on the planet don’t change this game. It’s high variance, period
@riley_bohr
@riley_bohr Жыл бұрын
Don't get why gto nerds are creaming their pants after seeing mikita "super pro" winning his first session at hustler, when most of his profit was from this single cooler him flopping set over Mariano's 2p. Like he wins this ONE big pot and everyone's like omggggg he's too good for the hustler regs. When he's actually just nitty and extremely boring to watch lol Mikita got owned and was pushed around constantly on his second appearance, down almost $50k and only bought back in short stacks. How about a 15 minute analysis of when he limp folded 74o early position for your next video?
@jamesguest4741
@jamesguest4741 Жыл бұрын
Checking set nines is not fine. It is a bad play.
@jordanconnor1223
@jordanconnor1223 Жыл бұрын
😂 suggest all in because your opp can't have better try it and watch ur opp snap with straight
@kasra_mlg
@kasra_mlg Жыл бұрын
WoW ! what a hand, what an analysis !
@s0ldier898
@s0ldier898 Жыл бұрын
Yeah checked flopped checked turn had me on the edge of my seat zzzz....
@HelvisElvis
@HelvisElvis Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised dolk polk did one great analysis 🤣
@WillPage
@WillPage Жыл бұрын
He'd prefer to have AQ so he can fold immediately.
@jamesguest4741
@jamesguest4741 Жыл бұрын
Dude u using your charts too justify pros playing badly! Gives you thumbs down.
@tdp-kl2jf
@tdp-kl2jf Жыл бұрын
I. Understand. Nothing. "Michael Scott"
@haroldjeon3548
@haroldjeon3548 Жыл бұрын
Why mikita is playing against fishes in here
@joelkellam9373
@joelkellam9373 Жыл бұрын
I heard that if you play GTO you break even? Then I hear GTO will make you rich - does GTO print from opponent’s mistakes?
@cmares5858
@cmares5858 Жыл бұрын
Mariano had some of the biggest coolers ever go his way, and he plays in lineups of recs mostly ... he's not that great
@jeremyrogers6179
@jeremyrogers6179 Жыл бұрын
I didn't understand a word you said, I'm sticking with BTO, GTO is too complicated.
@knox8113
@knox8113 Жыл бұрын
What the fuck is Marianos haircut? 😂
@wenraozhang4971
@wenraozhang4971 Жыл бұрын
typical american line: does he have the balls for this lololol
@h0dlerrrr266
@h0dlerrrr266 Жыл бұрын
can’t wait to see end bosses like Linus get invited and destroy all those vloggers who think they r on top of the world
@Gos1234567
@Gos1234567 Жыл бұрын
almost got there and made the laydown but had to call didnt he.Probably Nikita knew this guy is a calling station and wouldnt stand being bluffed on livestream,hence the huge check -raise. nice fishin Nikita!!
@Mwuesse
@Mwuesse Жыл бұрын
did you even watch the video? wasn't even a bad call according to the solver
@ryanjones4150
@ryanjones4150 Жыл бұрын
Mariano is hardly a calling station, what are you talking about ?
@Itsabigworldoutthere
@Itsabigworldoutthere Жыл бұрын
This is why you forget what solvers say and just bet your strong hands for value. If Makita had of bet flop and turn he'd have won a massive pot v 2 pair instead he got fancy and won a much smaller pot than he could have.
@davidelet3652
@davidelet3652 Жыл бұрын
Now if he goes half pot on each street he would had the same result..
@Toogoodxoxo
@Toogoodxoxo Жыл бұрын
It's disgusting how good fish2013 is
@nishantjain241
@nishantjain241 Жыл бұрын
Jeez man I play poker a lot and understand the lingo, but this is way too complicated. Can someone explain this in simple terms please?
@s0ldier898
@s0ldier898 Жыл бұрын
Dunno not sure why such a boring hand got this much analysis lol. I was expecting a crazy hand here check check raise call lol
@CrushingMight
@CrushingMight Жыл бұрын
Owned..
@igotyoubeat
@igotyoubeat 10 ай бұрын
I love slow playing hands like these, it usually ends up in large pots because your opponent thinks they are winning and they get an ugly surprise.
@TherealBDL
@TherealBDL Жыл бұрын
Great analysis but I feel like you dont looks at previous hands in this session where Mariano got bluffed off handed a few times that night. To me this is why he called the big bet on the river. If he is playing well he makes great laydowns but I think he really lost his way in the session In saying that mikita masked his hand so well with the checks and Mariano wins when he is putting the pressure on but doesnt do well when on the other end.
@FindingEquilibrium
@FindingEquilibrium Жыл бұрын
I admit I didn't watch the whole session. There may have been exploitative considerations at play but my main focus on this vid was just on the GTO strat. From what I've seen, Mariano is a solid player and I don't think he played the hand poorly (perhaps other than the small river bet, but that probably wouldn't have changed the outcome much).
@grownbyab3672
@grownbyab3672 Жыл бұрын
Do is overthinking this shit lol
@doh-nc8ku
@doh-nc8ku Жыл бұрын
Exactly it’s all fun and nerdy until he plays with garbage and has a house in a 4 bet pot 😂
@cgj2371
@cgj2371 Жыл бұрын
So you don’t think Mikita could have gotten more if he just c bets ? As played the River was beautifully played but I think he could have actually gotten more with a c bet. And it would have been an epic disaster if Mariano folded the river.
@aramsarkisyan8061
@aramsarkisyan8061 Жыл бұрын
which he probably should have. I think the point here is, firstly, protection of check range (so value not in this hand particularly, but overall), and secondly, the river decision.
@DavidGarcia-uy2sx
@DavidGarcia-uy2sx Жыл бұрын
Watch the video again... this board smashes Mariano's range so much... He has better sets and flopped straights, pairs+SD. While Mikita has those as well, he has a lot more overpairs that lose equity on this flop. You're only considering the player's holdings while FE is considering their whole range which is what good player should be thinking. Of course if Mikita could see Mariano's holding he would cbet big and bet 3 streets and win more potentially but that would remove the essence of poker.
@cgj2371
@cgj2371 Жыл бұрын
@@DavidGarcia-uy2sx well to start I’m never checking this flop with bottom set. It Has nothing to do with knowing villains holding. Just my holding as played. personally I don’t think Mariano is flatting TT JJ with his late open against a single straddle 3 bet. He seems hyper aggressive to me so I’m only really worried about KQ (which he still might 4 bet pre) and a landmine type Q8. And checking here because you’re thinking maybe he has the nuts or a set is more fearful than anything. And if a “good player” is considering his “whole range”, he should also be thinking about the hands he gets thick value from… like an AJ/KJ/QJ, AT suited with backdoors. JT. Etc. Again, I just like a c bet here because I’m only really worried about KQ (based off Mariano’s Image, and even then I think he’s 4 betting that prelfop along with better sets). And if Mariano did flop the nuts or 2nd nuts, all your outs and Backdoor outs are clean and you’re still not a massive underdog. Nits are more likely to show up with sets here. Maybe Mikita doesn’t consider that because he’s not as familiar with his game as someone who watches his vlogs/streams. Edit; small typo.
@flush5005
@flush5005 Жыл бұрын
I think everyone knows that the people you see on these streams 90% of the time have bankroll, not skills. They have MONEY. they are businessmen. It doesn't mean they're the best talent. not even close.
@blamtasticful
@blamtasticful Жыл бұрын
How severely capped should Mariano be compared to Mikita? Mikita checked three times. I don't think I understand.
@thom8363
@thom8363 Жыл бұрын
It comes down to position. When OOP, you're not necesserally capped when you check because you can check raise. When IP, checking means going to the next street without being able to grow the pot, so you are more capped IP when you check
@blamtasticful
@blamtasticful Жыл бұрын
@thom8363 OK, but when the in position player checks back the turn they are giving themselves an opportunity to raise an OOP lead on the river no? The only thing I can think of is that the OOP player needs strong hands to protect their checking range. However, that doesn't necessarily mean checking nutted hands as solvers oftentimes have no issue defending capped ranges. Am I still missing something?
@FindingEquilibrium
@FindingEquilibrium Жыл бұрын
@@blamtasticful Generally speaking the in position player's betting range is more polar (strong hands + bluffs) with fewer traps whereas the out of position player's betting range is more merged (strong, medium and weak) with more traps. This is a function of the in position player having the sole ability to close the action, since he reduces the number of streets bets can be placed. When the out of position player checks, a bet can still be placed on the same street by IP.
@matta5749
@matta5749 Жыл бұрын
@@blamtasticful thom gave you the correct answer with a good explanation. OOP is uncapped when checking. IP isn’t. That’s fundamental poker theory. You are indeed missing something and what you’re missing is the entire concept of why OOP is uncapped. OOP is just as happy, if not more happy, to check and raise with the top of his range, while IP can’t do that while still having a possibility of getting value on all remaining streets. When OOP checks he can still get value on the same street with a check raise. If IP checks with the top of his range he can now only ever get value on future streets which severely decreases his chances of getting max value. On the river this is especially obvious.
@blamtasticful
@blamtasticful Жыл бұрын
@@matta5749 Oh in that case OOP should just check nutted hands all the time! Stop it with arrogant imprecise explanations. OOP can also get NO value on a street by not leading turn or river. I didn't even say that OOP isn't going to check MORE nutted hands. What I asked is how is IP uncapped? Is your claim that the solver IP doesn't show up with nutted hands on the river some percentage of the time? I'm questioning the explanation not the solver. If the reasoning is that a player can check nutted hands because they can get in a raise on a later street than IP can check the turn with nutted hands because they can get in a raise on a later street. Period. If the reasoning that IP is capped is because they could get value from betting earlier streets then OOP is incentivized to lead on the turn or river by that same logic. Please give a better explanation unless you actually don't have one which I suspect given the tone of your response.
@209twitch
@209twitch Жыл бұрын
Mikita is extremely strong
@X283848Y
@X283848Y Жыл бұрын
Why do you need all these graphic views for?? Mariano plays this very well and Mikita got min not max value
@X283848Y
@X283848Y Жыл бұрын
@FindingEquilibrium have you ever watched or even played poker? If so, you would get a completely different result
@justiceforall3973
@justiceforall3973 Жыл бұрын
It’s too bad you don’t have 20 minutes to work this all out in a hand…
@eljumbotron
@eljumbotron Жыл бұрын
how would featuring weaker players be a move in the wrong direction? It's an entertainment stream that needs to appeal to the average intelligence of the viewers. Most top players provide close to zero entertainment because they're playing so many levels above the average viewer's comprehension whilst having zero personality. Watching elite autistic gto wizards battle it out is just never gonna have the same mass appeal as seeing mikki, eric or airball getting stacked or go on a heater. It brings poker back to the level of the early High Stakes Poker days when it was more relatable to the average player.
@chanb9040
@chanb9040 Жыл бұрын
gto nerds should not be featured in these games
@tny0515
@tny0515 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see these breakdown videos with the content creator not being able to see both players whole cards or hand results just to see if holds up everytime . I dont believe in any of these new age poker . Everyone sounds smart and poker knowledgeable in hindsight.
@SmellyBoy28
@SmellyBoy28 Жыл бұрын
you dont have to be smart to interpret a solver lol what a moron
@alexvojdani4728
@alexvojdani4728 Жыл бұрын
Let’s be honest all this overkill analysis, finding equilibrium guy probably can’t beat nl100
@amnaeldnd4376
@amnaeldnd4376 Жыл бұрын
Everything Mariano did on the river is absurd IMO.
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