"There's NO SUCH THING as a TRUE Point Guard" -

[@shawnturner2404]

LOW gotta hold the L here. When we speak about these topics, we have to look at the average player, not the greats. The greats are greats because they can do more than the average. So it’s not really worth mentioning them. Throughout most of the game’s history, most players have fit into a defined role. That’s where the concept of team comes into play because everyone has a role.

[@devsports7417]

That’s a great point, most of the role layers fit in those roles

[@masongreen1371]

LOW clearly never actually played basketball.

[@Mag.Media_]

You can't even really use the term great though. There have been plenty of non "great" players to lead their team in scoring and not be at the shooting guard position if you are going by traditional standards.

[@wano1216]

@@Mag.Media_exactly

[@shawnturner2404]

@@Mag.Media_ in most of LOW’s examples, he used historically great players, who by definition aren’t average. The roles were designed for the average player to both highlight their strengths and disguise their weaknesses. Of course you can find examples of different varieties of players because talents and skills are on a sliding scale/spectrum. But we are speaking about generalities.

[@gregorywaver687]

Rondo is the one of the best traditional point guards ever.

[@MrKoolCash]

AGREED!

[@MrKoolCash]

John Stockton, prime Kyle lowry, Chauncey billups to name a few.

[@omarionbrown3075]

Overrated*

[@MrKoolCash]

@@omarionbrown3075 who overrated?

[@raekwonjohnson2760]

PREACH of his era but no doubt

[@MrJRDOT1]

This is LOW’s worst take. When he said that Bird wasn’t a perimeter player I started to shake my head.

[@chrilpy]

He didn’t shoot a crazy amount of 3s. He scored mostly from mid range jumpers and layups

[@MrJRDOT1]

@@chrilpy which back then was perimeter play. If he isn’t a perimeter player then Michael Jordan isn’t a perimeter player.

[@Anthonydu01630]

@@MrJRDOT1 even today, its like saying Doncic, KD, Derozan or Lebron arent perimeter players

[@cedpete7434]

Was he?

[@notoriousdivine5349]

@@MrJRDOT1 huh? Bird lived in the post MJ thrived on the island

[@DonDeDon445]

Tbh it seems like the best players to ever play cannot be boxed into the standards of a “traditional role”

[@fadercreek]

😂😂😂😂

[@sidjones16]

Kareem, Russell, Shaq.

[@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast]

@@sidjones16 that's 3 players out of thousands

[@ADG.Est.1988]

Exactly. They are the exceptions to their categorical average. Bill Russell and Wilt could get ot off the glass and initiate the fast break. Lebron and kd exceptional. Giannis exceptional. Steph Jordan Kobe magic shaq Kevin Garnett all great talents. Could do s variety of things on the court that exceeded the traditional position standard.

[@sidjones16]

@@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast the best players to ever play CANNOT be boxed into the standards of a traditional role. Mikan. There, I did something that was stated CANNOT be done, OFF MEMORY, four times. 5. Karl Malone. 6. Tim Duncan 7. Stockton 8. Cousy 9. McHale 10. Pierce 11. Baylor 12. Ray Allen 13. Reggie Miller 14. Bob Pettit 15. CP3 16. Rodman No Google. No wiki.

[@twinman3539]

I feel like LOW likes to be controversial for no reason 😂😂😂. Jason Kidd, John Stockton, Mark Jackson, CP3 some examples of traditional PG.

[@yvans.]

Dont Forget Nash

[@KLBYMTCH]

And all of them are losers 💀

[@SosukeTYBW]

You ain't name a single champion so evidently being a traditional pg don't mean much especially when it comes to winning most "traditional pgs" ain't win a damn thing

[@judahmourneth3211]

@@SosukeTYBWbecause the nba was never built on a PG leading a team to a championship. Isaiah, Cousy, curry are the only small man to lead their teams to championships.

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@judahmourneth3211 and what do all them have in common? They actually try to score the ball unlike the "traditional" who only give the ball for someone else to score, maybe if these traditional pgs actually scored more maybe they'd have some jewelry

[@davidriley6843]

Bird is not a traditional forward period. He was predominantly a sniper that had point forward capabilities. He was an all around player that was good to great at everything which is what made him a superstar.

[@sidjones16]

I think traditional is an misused term. If you start young you're usually taught the game in general: dribbling, passing, shooting, running the plays. When puberty and growth spurts hit(or don't) then you settle into roles. But you still have the fundamental skill sets. You may have been tall in middle school/early HS so you played in the post. If you were shorter at first, you played point. By the time you're 18/19 going to college, you might be a guard w/ post up skill or a big that can handle and shoot. I Bird knew he didn't have the handles or speed to face up and take dudes off the dribble 10- 15 out or the size and strength to back dudes down or shoot over them. He played to his strengths. Be on the perimeter. He'd have a step on the average 4 and could back down or shoot over most 3s.

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

Low is just arguing to argue at this point. Everyone that knows basketball knows that you have traditional PGs and modern day PGs. You’re not going to look at a traditional PG like Rajon Rondo and throw him in the modern day PG box with Steph

[@SosukeTYBW]

My problem with this traditional shit is it's not used across the board like I've never seen anyone say Jokic not a center cause Jokic playmakes for the nuggets which a "traditional center" didn't do nor was their job yet chill would completely remove steph from a all-time pg list cause he don't play "traditionally"

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

@@SosukeTYBW Well Jokic isn’t a traditional center. You’re taking someone saying “you’re not a traditional PG” as them saying you’re not a PG at all and that’s not true. Traditionally, centers never did what Jokic does. When has a traditional center ever averaged damn near a triple double? Maybe they need to use that terminology more when talking about Jokic and Embiid because they are not traditional centers. Traditional back in the day centers never shot 3s. It’s not to say that you never had centers shooting 3s but for the most part that shit rarely ever happened back in the day. The traditional 5 got his points off clean up duty and his back to the basket

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@TheRealLeonardWashington but they literally do that tho the old head chill literally named his top 5 pg list of all time and steph ain't on it cause he don't play traditionally

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

@@SosukeTYBW well Chill is wrong in that regard. I can’t speak for Chill. When it comes to how I view the game, Steph is not a traditional PG but he’s still a PG nevertheless. Steph changed the game and revamped the position of what we were accustom to seeing when it comes to the 1 guard. That in itself supports my point because prior to Steph, we had mostly traditional PGs who’s job was to run the offense and be more facilitator than scorer (or at least a perfect balance of the two). Back in the day, a player like Embiid would get benched the minute he chose to attempt a 3. I remember Andrew Bynum attempting a 3 and getting benched immediately. It was such a big deal that you had journalists questioning if should be traded. That’s because we were accustomed to traditional positions. That’s no longer the case today

[@SosukeTYBW]

@@TheRealLeonardWashington chill is like alot of oldheads I've only heard it from the mouth of a old 50s dude that's still in love with his era

[@JAE_LENS]

Lo is naming anomalies to make his argument, anomalies aren't traditional in any sense

[@kyonmurphy1120]

He really not tho you look at the top 5 point guards before magic yeah they pass the rock but they got buckets at a high clip too only dude I would say that a traditional point guard before magic was bib Cousy

[@sidjones16]

@@kyonmurphy1120 a point has to be able to score to keep the defense honest. I could wrong but most of those high scoring 1s probably didn't have another dominant player on the team. Wilt was best scorer on those Laker teams in the 70s but they had 2 scorers so he focused on being a traditional 5. Bird was built like those jacked 4s in the 70 and 80s. He wasn't as fast as the 3s. Common sense would be to take the PF/SF out to the perimeter where he could get a step on the former or have a slight physical advantage over the latter.

[@kyonmurphy1120]

@@sidjones16 yeah that true those point guard’s where the best player on their team but that support the argument only dude in the more so modern game that a traditional point is isiah Thomas he averaged 8 ast in the championship runs

[@mattsell2361]

This is a great example of just trying to win an argument just for the sake of winning. For low to say there isn’t traditional jobs and roles for positions is simply untrue. This is basic basketball for kids you learn positions especially in high school you get out at positions based on your skill set

[@jbwuzhere6819]

Bird is not a NORMAL player. He could play multiple positions because of his skill set.

[@ΚώσταςΠαππάς-φ7ζ]

Traditional small forward: James Worthy/slasher Traditional power forward: a) Tim Duncan, b) Karl Malone post up/mid-range shots As for Kevin McHale he won multiple 6th man awards. He was in the starting line later in his career

[@htownblack9184]

Perfect comment

[@2cents250]

LOW is showing how unqualified he is to speak on certain topics.

[@teddyking6563]

Of course the most exceptional point guards could score also but the primary job of the point guard is to distribute the basketball to other players, run the offense, get the ball to players where it's easier for them to score. John Stockton, Magic Johnson, Rondo, Chris Paul, Jason kidd, are examples of traditional point guards. They can score but it's not what they step on the court looking to do.

[@Jay-ob8ip]

Big facts

[@ADG.Est.1988]

Traditional point guards. Rondo, Steve Nash, John Stockton, Chris Paul, Mark Jackson, Andre Miller, Mike Conley Jr., Jason Kidd, and the list goes on.

[@traxagenda3445]

Magic??

[@thatkiddshoun4467]

Just pass first point guards, traditional isn’t a thing

[@RLSmith-jt8qj]

​@@thatkiddshoun4467those are synonyms

[@thatkiddshoun4467]

@@RLSmith-jt8qj nah. It’s a myth

[@RLSmith-jt8qj]

@@thatkiddshoun4467 nah kid. It's history

[@trip9755]

The fact that low don’t know this shows that he knows nothing of basketball

[@cw1229]

I saw this the other day the issue with this is they been trying to box everybody into one general thing when nobody plays the same even if they the same position, a guy like Steph his first few season was 8+ assist in the finals in 2017 almost had a trip dub, westbrook is a traditional point even tho he don’t get credit runs teams make plays consistently in the top 10 in assist cp3, trae young dude already got a top 5 average in nba history with 9.2 in his 4 seasons so far, rondo a true point, a guy like jrue holiday

[@escoayala376]

Credibility being lost here 😂

[@MrKoolCash]

I think Low thinks this because he has never played basketball himself.

[@QuestionEverything562]

Smh, casual L take bruh. So lazy...

[@YoBankaccountformyparlay]

@@QuestionEverything562 Your logic makes no sense so your telling me that you would automatically feel that you would have more influence in a conversation about running a offense then a player with years of experience of playing at a high level now compare this to low where we don't even know if he played organized ball

[@famousxji1852]

1:57 Son really said Shaq, and went quiet😭💀

[@3PTBall]

Low is the leader of the woke NBA every we thought we knew is apparently wrong and this era is just the best era of basketball in every facet. He obviously he never touched a basketball court either

[@SosukeTYBW]

Naw we just ain't taking the bullshit they been lying about for decades

[@Justlacegames]

Woke NBA? What does woke mean?

[@3PTBall]

@@Justlacegames i literally explained what it meant

[@Justlacegames]

@Tré Oh OK, I see. You just used it incorrectly. Got you.

[@QuestionEverything562]

I think LOW appreciates truth and facts over narratives and progressiveness for the most part. However, he does show some odd dislike for certain older players such as Stockton. I don't have Stock on my top 5 PG list, but he's certainly top 10. To LOW's mind, he isn't. LOW at times is a lazy debater too, but once he gets winded up enough, he'll make some good arguments. Truly great superstar players or players with very high team basketball IQ can play in any era of the NBA. Except James Harden, he couldn't be a superstar in the 90s or 2000s lol.

[@bboywolf]

bird was not a slasher, he did most of his work in the post

[@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast]

Therefore, he's not a true sf

[@bboywolf]

@@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast agreed he played the 4 as well. idk how a perimeter player avg 10 boards

[@QuestionEverything562]

Bird was something the NBA had never seen before, his arrival in the NBA was immediately impactful and game changing. Same with Magic, those two were 6'9-6'10 bigs who had guard skills such as passing and shooting. Very rare types of big men that had mindsets of playmakers and the highest basketball IQs the game has ever seen. Bird broke the mold of a traditional SF or PF, he was a dead eye marksman. To me, Bird is the 2nd greatest shooter ever.

[@bboywolf]

@@QuestionEverything562 definitely #2 all time for me. When you take into acct 3s middies free throw off the drible stepback pull up catch and shoot etc. Only player better than Bird is steph.

[@tonyjackson175]

Lowe gets mad when they try to school him on the game he gets mad.

[@fadercreek]

cause he does not know the game like he thinks he does

[@legacyns1]

If Bird was a true PF.. they wouldn't have gone after McHale and moved Bird to SF. They would have just kept Bird as PF.

[@georgewagner2352]

Good point. But Bird was VERY effective as a PF. Finishing in the top 10 in Rebounds often and leading the Celts to the title in 81. But when he was moved to the SF he became the best player in the league, one of the best shooters ever and dominated. From 1984- 88 Bird's Celtics eliminated from the playoffs: MJ's Bulls in 1986 and 1987, the Magic/Kareem/Worthy Lakers in 1984, Dr.J/ Moses/Barkley 76ers in 1985, Dominique's Hawks in 1986 and 1988, Sidney Moncrief's Bucks in 1984, 1986 and 1987, Ewing's Knicks in 1988, Bernard King's Knicks in 1984, the Olajuwon/ Sampson Rockets in 1986 and the Isiah/ Laimbeer Pistons in 1984 and 1987. It wasn't just the opponents that couldn't figure out how to stop Bird. How about these coaches that he beat in the playoffs in these years: Pat Riley, Bill Fitch, Hubie Brown, George Karl, Doug Collins, Mike Fratello, Don Nelson, Rick Pitino, Gene Shue, Billy Cunningham (the most underrated coach ever) and Chuck Daly!!

[@jonathanvelasquez4317]

You move him to Sf because now he has more of an advantage, Larry Bird was 6'9 with a jump shot and great passing IQ, the game is chess not checkers.

[@georgewagner2352]

Larry Bird was the starting PF from 1980-85. McHale came off the bench from 1981- 1985. Cornbread Maxwell was the starting SF from 1980-85 until he got hurt that season (85). McHale (2x 6MOY) then became the starting PF and Bird became the starting SF.

[@MrDdchavis]

This is where playing the game of basketball comes in, experiencing trumps the sidelines

[@georgewagner2352]

Bird played the Center position, as well as both forward spots, when he was a senior at Indiana St. He averaged 15 RPG but was also the best perimeter shooter in the country, so his coach moved him around depending on the game. It worked, since they went undefeated all the way up to the championship game.

[@mattsell2361]

Ok but I’m the nba he played small forward

[@vamp32]

I don’t think you hear ‘traditional shooting guard’ bc their job description is in the title.

[@joeldrummer23]

I like my point guard to run and facilitate others . And have the capability of shooting 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@jrthehunter4309]

The faultiness in LOW's argument is that he's using the "Greats" to define tradition. However, tradition means "Traditional" AKA "What is commonplace at the time". Commonplace is defined by the COMMON PLAYER. So a better metric would be, "Does the average point guard, aka majority of the league's Point guards, did they fit into that traditional Point guard role at that time?" That would be a better metric to define tradition. The Greats are so great that more often then not, they'd be asked to do things that are outside of the norm. A person who doesn't have traditional talent wouldn't be asked to fit a traditional role. The greats are Outliers and Outliers, by definition, don't define tradition.

[@chrilpy]

No one said Bird was a traditional 3 or 4. That’s what made him so special: being able to shoot, dribble, and pass as well as he did at his size

[@Jay-ob8ip]

Yeah Larry was more of a combo forward

[@reverseenigma3969]

Larry bird played in the post a lot. Wtf are we talking about here. His go to move was the fadeaway and hook. Yeah he was a great shooter and came off curls for shots, but the core of his offense was posting up

[@dewanewelch1744]

Exactly

[@chrisjoseph3883]

When players of today get compared to players of the 80s 90s and early 2000s and say that they should be more traditional I laugh… if you go through the top 50 players of all time most of them aren’t “traditional”

[@flight_knight_]

Y’all forget to mention rebounding and transition responsibilities like guards getting back on defense

[@justinjones9579]

There are multiple ways to play the point guard position. Traditional Pass First Shoot First Defensive Utility

[@fortynights1513]

What would be an example of each one?

[@TheSwish_]

Stockton . Rondo , kyrie , , Marcus smart , ben Simmons , examples of each

[@princeharry6736]

@@fortynights1513 Traditional - older CP3 (age 30+) Pass first - Rondo Shoot first - Curry Defensive - Jrue Holiday Utility - idk what he means by that

[@zbt62]

Nigga just making up terms

[@justinjones9579]

@@princeharry6736 utility is a point guard with no defined role, but they are tasked with doing whatever the team needs, Derek Fisher is the best example, current day Kyle Lowry, Championship Mavs Jason Kids, current day Westbrook in some aspects. Utility PGs are usually an asset to the team when you already have a primary ball handler.

[@OnlyFloor]

There are still traditional PG's in the NBA such as CP3, Raul Neto, Monte Morris, Ricky Rubio (IR), Lonzo Ball (IR). These players I label as traditional PG's. Feel free to name more if I forgot.

[@Dmuney114]

Lamelo Ball , Rondo, Tyrese haliburton,

[@traypullup]

Definitely rondo I remember he had a game that was like 2pts 25 assists 4 rebounds

[@IvanDiaz-fl6ff]

Killian hayes

[@prettyboyniko8273]

Sounds like a bunch of guys who arent better than a non-traditional pg

[@Eagles2020]

Kyle Lowry and dragic

[@jamorychance8992]

The old heads won this one

[@fazostackzz]

Prime example of knowing basketball or just watching the NBA

[@noahjones3769]

I believe there is a thing call Traditional PGs. However, I also believe it is true that players can REDEFINE the role of a PG or any other position. I can say Curry redefined the role of a point guard having the skills of a shooting guard even though he is capable of playing the point and Jokic redefined the position of a center playing like a point guard. Just because a player plays different from the traditional traits of a position doesn't mean you discredit them from that position. Besides, just because you may play the position in the traditional way (which I have no problem with) doesn't mean you are better than someone who plays the same position in a revised way.

[@prettyboyniko8273]

Like ur take on this

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

Best comment I read so far. And I think that’s where the disconnect lies in this debate. Low is taking it as if traditional PG automatically means you’re a better PG. That’s not the case. Mark Jackson was a traditional run the offense before scoring PG. It doesn’t put him above Steph just because of that fact. It just means he plays the position in a more traditional way. .

[@2nifty201]

nah point guards were already pretty much 2s before curry….Kyrie, Dame, Russ, Arenas, Baron davis. Curry was apart of it but he didn’t redefine the position

[@TheRealLeonardWashington]

@@2nifty201 Arenas was a great scoring point guard but he still was a floor general/traditional point guard. He was easily the general of that wizards offense. He didn’t play off ball like Steph running the wing and jacking up 3s off screens. Same goes for Baron Davis. He was definitely a traditional point guard every where he played. He ran the offense like a traditional point guard. He brought the ball up and got everyone in position just like a Jason Kidd or a Steve Nash. The only difference with those two is the fact that they had superstar scoring abilities to go along with their traditional point guard style of play. And neither Russ, Dame or Kyrie got drafted before Steph so there’s that

[@2nifty201]

@@TheRealLeonardWashington Steph wasn’t running off screens all day till 2015. That’s the main change kerr made to make them what they are. Curry was the running the show every year till then and then draymond took over most of that responsibility to give steph that freedom. None of them got drafted before but they all played in that same era and they were on the same exact caliber point guards besides russ(top 3 2012-2015)

[@The_Lost_Hoodini]

Chris Paul is as true as it gets

[@Jay-ob8ip]

Yup honestly I wouldn't even call him a true PG cp3 in my view is in a rare air he imo was a complete PG like in his prime their really wasn't anything he struggled doing he deserved a ring man if only those clippers squads had a better 3 man

[@K.Deundre]

Jalen rose said it best “ just because you’re a power forward that doesn’t make you physical just because you’re a shooting guard that doesn’t mean you can jack up 3s “

[@theeALister]

He also said that positions were invented so that a novice could understand the game.

[@Jay-ob8ip]

@@theeALister yeah but let's remember Jalen rose was a bit of a positionless player himself he was a tall player who leaned into being a PG so that experience definitely shaped his attitude on traditional positions

[@MelaninDrip00]

Low only saying this so he can say that steph is a better point guard than magic😂

[@QuestionEverything562]

LOW lmao, I see you.... You being real slick here about traditional PGs being a myth. The traditional PG position began in the late 40s and the 50s with Bob Cousy, Andy Phillips, Lenny Wilkins, Bob Davies, and others. The PG position was basically the coach on the floor, the floor general that setup the offense and could be the direct extension of the head coach. The PG is supposed to be the main brain trust of the team, but many players over the course of NBA history have occupied the PG position that are not truly mentally fit to play that position to it's traditional definition. Such as Russell Westbrick, he plays the PG position, but he has no idea how to play that position whatsoever. It's why so many true traditional PGs become coaches later on after their playing careers are done. Notice how LOW kept only dating the NBA back to the 60s? He wants that to be the origin point of the NBA because he then can claim Jerry West was one of the first PGs of the NBA that was not a traditional textbook PG. LOW's video about traditional PGs is going to showcase the 60s a lot as his starting point, and mostly on Jerry West as a combo guard. Jerry West played PG primarily by position, but he was the Steph Curry of the 60s as the ultimate combo guard with size. West played both PG and SG, he was a score first player though. I can't listen to Chill anymore, he pretends to be the OG old head that knows all about NBA history, but he only knows past 1985 really. He's been corrected and exposed too many times now to be considered a real knowledgeable source of NBA history. I cringed when Chill talked about the early 80s Celtics. LOW's video about the traditional PG being a myth is going to be very deceptive. Every position has an original textbook description of how the position was supposed to be played and the duties of every position. The PG and C positions have always been traditionally regarded as the most important positions on a basketball team. Those two positions have the most duties traditionally.

[@YaBoyMillz]

How low gone say "that's my point" if everyone in the NBA isn't like LeBron or Bird. If traditional positions were dead that means everyone is doing something outside of the box to make them different than the traditional position but that's obviously not true that's why there are mediocre players and there are exceptions.

[@rhideflory]

This man deadass said basketball started in the 50s and 60s lmfaoo

[@Rgfrmthelawn24]

Marz take the hoodie off please 😭

[@thomasbowling7458]

My cat is not a cat... My cat may meow, and purr, but it is not a cat..........

[@rldeuce8829]

There’s exceptions to ever rule the gist of the debate is there are traditional positions

[@georgewagner2352]

Real true Pro basketball positions started in the 1920's. There were the NBL and ABL professional BB leagues. Look it up. The positions were based on a 5-point star object. The Center was, well, the CENTER/ Middle. The "guards" were on the perimeter. One on the left and one on the right. Forwards were called "Corners" and they were positioned on the corner baseline, one right and one left. They were called "Corners" by many all the way up until the 1970's. Both guards were expected to get the ball to the front court and be playmakers. The corners/ forwards were expected to be the scorers, being closer to the basket, getting higher % shots. The center was actually expected to be a good passer, feeding cutters and slashers from the other four positions. The Center was also supposed to get offensive rebounds and tip ins, playing closest to the basket. By the time the NBA formed (from the merged BAA and NBL) in 1946-47, the Center was also expected to play with his back to the basket, posting up. The guards were now the PG and SG. It's self-explanatory what the title SG means. The PG was the distributor/ playmaker. The PF was not expected to score except on offensive tip ins or high % banks, lay ups etc. but he was expected to set nasty picks and rebound. Vern Mikkelsen and Harry Gallatin were masters at this position. The SF was the most athletic all-around player and good scorer, such as Jim Pollard, Paul Arizin and then later Elgin Baylor. There were many players who could play multiple positions or who had all around skills. Dolph Schayes was THE ORIGINAL stretch 4, I mean the very first.

[@jimmycharlotin7050]

First of all besides the og dude he knows what he talking about but doubt majority of these so called experts wasn't even born when magic johnson or larry bird was playing I sure wasn't

[@zeek2613]

If someone tries to be a traditional point there gonna bash him…. Esp if shooting isn’t his string suit….’still don’t understand why they look dwn on players for using what got them there….. The NBA want allow another Magic Johnson

[@biggestbullsfan8569]

3:53 Marz taking a nap

[@alvin081988]

Stockton Nash Kidd Magic and many more aren't they Traditional PGs

[@bossedup3906]

Low is so annoying & technical instead of looking at what stuff for what it is , he looks at stats & argues off of bs . He thinks his following empowers him talking about “ I’m still making my video “ & Marz just sucks his binky & low , talking about all I hear is Draymond is the point guard of the warriors

[@bossedup3906]

People like low & marz ruin basketball convos sometimes with stats instead of just opening your eyes ,

[@bossedup3906]

Low your heavy asl just listen & Marz just sip tea lil bro

[@kiwavy]

@@bossedup3906 why you so mad

[@johnton3962]

More like legend of losing your god damn mind , anyone who plays ball KNOWS that there are traditional roles for every player on the court and they still can exist point blank period

[@michaelpatterson3084]

LOW This what happens when u talk about something u never actually played / can’t play well honestly your input on the is just from u watching it it’s a different perspective when u know it on and off the court

[@Vortexnicholas]

Lows point makes no sense.

[@gardenofweedin5373]

Low is talking about these positions as if it’s the “Yetti” lol.. like the idea of positions are rumors. These terms have existed for a long time and they were created to identify something in basketball.. smh.. rather they hold value is a different conversation. However they do exist and were created to identify a particular skill set.

[@mega_.0635]

Bird started at the 4 for 5 seasons and even won MVP as a 4 😭

[@tyrellhines9304]

Bird in today’s game would be considered a stretch 4.

[@tyrellhines9304]

There’s traditional power forwards to back to the basketball and playing on block but can face up and shoot. Example Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan

[@gzesofsuburbia]

It’s a traditional point guard role when ppl fill that role and that role only, for the most part, that makes them a traditional point guard. Guys who can do more than their role are stars like a Jerry West and an Isaiah Thomas, Steph Curry etc.

[@jaywilliams8903]

Regardless of the expansion of the NBA skill set and requirements per position you still have to be able to do the traditional things of said position. Steph is a great shooter yes. But he is also the best ball handler on that team (as they defined the roles responsibility) or draymond playing the 4. Dirty work Swiss Army knife. But regardless the 3 and the 4 are usually the most versatile positions on the floor no matter what era. And regardless of how well your 5 shoots today. You would love for him to control the glass as well and provide some form of rim protection. The traditional skill set is the base of all basketball it’s just an expanded game and much more is required by each position. Low just needs to hold that L

[@Jay-ob8ip]

Big facts

[@douglasjohnson7880]

LOW trippin

[@htownblack9184]

This is wear low showed he never played the game he just knows stats

[@Coldskin1]

Its a mistake arguing with someone who lived in that era

[@deetheoriginal3117]

CP3 4th-5 greatest PG ever idc what anyone says

[@matrixsanders7463]

Hold this my boy 👑

[@killablackmambakbm7593]

Magic, Isiah, Stockton, Archibald, Cousy, Big O are all better than CP3

[@deetheoriginal3117]

@@killablackmambakbm7593 Stockton Cousy And Archibald are not better than CP3

[@gregorywaver687]

That nigga ain’t better than Rondo.

[@killablackmambakbm7593]

@@deetheoriginal3117 Stockton is a better shooter from 2,3, better passer and averaged more steals total and per game. Stockton had more success and played with much less talent as well

[@wills8878]

Who were the traditional PGs of the 60s and 70s? All of the best PGs played both guards positions....Jerry West, Oscar Robertson, Pete Maravich, Walt Frazier, Earl The Pearl. Even Bob Cousy was one of the leading scorers in the league. Once AGAIN LOW is right.

[@Kbtrey4]

disagree

[@Abbad1579]

@@Kbtrey4🤡🤡

[@giftedimagesllc]

Completely disagree

[@fxgaming2570]

Pete wasn't a point guard and earl was only partially a PG

[@fxgaming2570]

@@piratemccall Thank you, the problem is most players who play that traditional point guard role don't get the accolades or recognition because they don't put up stats like other styles of point guards. The crazy thing is I agree with low but he just presented the argument clunky and weird. Had he said that the traditional point guard is not the most ideal archetype in order to win then his argument would have made more sense, but to say that there is no such thing as a traditional point guard is just dumb, because the consensus first and third greatest point guards of all time are traditional point guards just buy example.

[@Drowninginpesos]

I know low be trolling and don’t really believe a lot of the shit he argues. But he was actually serious here. This is crazy lol

[@karimw.9954]

A point guard leads the point of attack and defends the point of attack. It’s not that complicated

[@nothingbutnets9025]

There is a traditional position..however these new guys like Jokic yes it’s better that he can also pass shoot and playmake

[@dremoore5329]

Bird got drafted 78 and he’s a all around player

[@Chrislittle223]

Basketball is positionless..... 1.Kyle Kuzma is listed as a PF..... 2.Tony Allen was a shooting guard but rarely did it..... 3.Andre Roberson was a shooting guard but couldn't..... 4. AD and KD both 7ft but they're listed at 2 different positions..... 5. Iverson and Cp3 both have the jumper and handle and the same height...why are the at 2 different positions.... Basketball is positionless

[@2nifty201]

modern basketball

[@2nifty201]

kd lied about being 6’9 for a decade just so he wasn’t made a power forward when the positions were different

[@Hunter_s_morrison]

How do I get on the panel I will smoke yall!!

[@Steveaugustin1]

The things that make you great is that they can’t put you in a box. You can’t name great players and say there is no traditional position. Most PGs are not volume scorers. Stop naming the greats and name the regular players.

[@TOKYO9AIN]

When they say true point guard they really mean old head who can’t score and passes to the post every possession

[@benjaminan1183]

W for LOW, Rusty already covered this. People use the words true and especially pure to underrate Curry. Ex. "Klay is a better pure shooter than Curry."

[@reecenorwood8377]

You can tell who played basketball in this clip.

[@MariWrst]

True PGs do exist, they just don't win at the highest level. Only exception is rly magic and he had one of the best team ever

[@QuestionEverything562]

And don't forget Isiah Thomas. Isiah was a true floor general PG when Chuck Daly took over the Pistons. Bob Cousy, Magic, and Isiah won titles as major factor PGs. Magic and Isiah however, are the only PGs as the best players on their teams to lead their teams to titles in NBA history.

[@YoBankaccountformyparlay]

Rondo

[@MariWrst]

@@YoBankaccountformyparlay he had Paul pierce and kg, both who are arguably top 20-30 players ever

[@QuestionEverything562]

@@YoBankaccountformyparlay Rondo was merely a role player on the 2008 Celtics, he wasn't their best player. But yes, he was a true traditional PG that did not have a jump shot.

[@odotmdot]

All of these guys are true point guards. They make plays. 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@AllLocksNoCap]

the fact that low doesnt understand what a true point guard/tradiitonal pg means is a clear indication low never played any type of organized bball growing up/ wasnt a student of the game when he was young .. his knowledge dates back to the beginning of Thewarriors run in the mid 2010s. SAD

[@Real843BabySkii]

The OG is the ONLY one on here with sense I swear

[@princespointofview3381]

Low always wants to be the contrarian… he looks bad sometimes with his horrible takes. Stick to the numbers game Low.

[@menscorner2853]

Lo is smoking

[@NewwxNeww]

true point guards exist but a traditional point guard is much more than people actually say it is... just simply bringing the ball up the court and initiating the offense doesn't make you a traditional pg....

[@coogibandanna]

Low a traditional burger eater

[@daquancarney9828]

1. How traditional positions actually played, 5-Jokic, 4-Siakim, 3-Derozan, 2-DBook, 1-Curry 2. In reality, I believe that there weren’t an actual “traditional “ style of play and that players of certain positions just played according to their strengths and to the team’s requirement. The notion of “traditional” positions, especially considering the definition of the word is incorrect and limiting to the game of basketball.

[@Fearseblack]

Shut up bruh lol of course there are exceptions but the game is better when players actually play their positions. Everyone has advantages and disadvantages, a lot of these players can't play position less basketball

[@daquancarney9828]

@@Fearseblack yo ass literally missed the point. I’m not saying basketball is “position-less”, I’m saying that the traditional roles we’ve associated with these positions are wrong and that we’ve probably never had traditional roles outside of a few.

[@kratiksolanki9894]

I think the point they are trying to make is we diminish steph's greatness by saying things like he isn't a traditional point guard, in my opinion steph is a traditional point guard, he just doesn't do it the traditional way. The job of a pg is to generate the offence for his team and get his team mate easy and open shot. Do you see it that's what steph does for the warriors the difference is he does it off ball instead of on ball. We don't do this for LeBron or kd or dirk then why do it for curry

[@rhideflory]

That's what Draymond does that's why when Draymond was having those back issues, the Warriors offense suffered.

[@tayluc777]

True = traditional, prototypical. A PG job is to find easier looks for teammates first. A lot of these dudes are shooting guards that are undersized and don’t play defense.

[@witherrss7908]

The positions were created so novices could follow the game

[@ron_prince]

Evolution of sports. Bird was a PF for 5 years btw lmao

[@MOCskoden]

What would be a traditional power forward than ???

[@bossedup3906]

OG would be my favorite is he thought Jordan was the goat but he reminds & wakes folks up when they start getting delusional

[@bronxgmoney]

Give it up low

[@julianreese3971]

People refer to Lebron as a Point forward. So PG and Center aren’t the only two positions that share a non traditional version.

[@moeahmed1072]

I think they just wake up and think about the most ridiculous takes and hope for views

[@demarte24]

Low just said that because he loves Steph curry

[@tylermurphy37]

I hope y’all realize I turn the videos off cuz y’all just speak over each other an it’s inaudible for long periods. Fix that y’all.

[@phillipaporter]

why does it feel like the old heads are having to explain positions to the new generation?

[@rustyie_winnin3279]

Can’t believe this is in question smh

[@b.e.r.nnetwork8251]

Ben Simmons is a traditional point guard. He can't shoot for shit!