There's Nothing Left To Ruin

Hollywood has finally done it - there's nothing left for them to wreck

[@tezzabhoy1888]

They still have a massive desire to ruin Back to the Future

[@huro1845]

Don't jinx it! 🙏 I hope Zemeckis outlives all of those people who want to touch those movies!

[@atomicdancer]

Oh yeah, *Back to the Future* . . . Come on, Hollywood - Martina McFly and Doctor Emma Brown . . . DO IT - - - DO IT NAO!!! 😬🤪🥴🙃😵🤡😡😱😧😭😬 🔥🔥 L E T ' S B U R N I T A L L D O W N ! ! 🔥🔥

[@mattcolver1]

They're drooling over the chance to ruin that franchise.

[@Shark-R900]

I would never want to see Tom Holland's name all over back to the future

[@kokomo74149]

If I remember correctly there's an ironclad contract on back to the future stating they can never make another. I don't think that ends when someone dies. Creative property stays with the family at the least. Is there the opportunity to try to manipulate it from the family? Yes but that would take some time. You know there will be numerous family members who want a cut so they would have to go through probate first. Hopefully tying it up until after We're gone. Lol I wouldn't go see it. I'd probably give free viewings of the original movies. Lol

[@5roundsrapid263]

Kathleen wept, for she had no more franchises to ruin…

May the force be with her.

[@DreamingDarlin]

She's probably saying, "Hold my beer"!

[@charlesroyal5125]

Biblical

[@poiuyt975]

She had never been Great though. ;-)

[@andrewdiez8353]

Hey hey hey! Cheer up Kathy, now someone else can waltz in and.obliterate all your "strong female leads and female legacy characters" ! Ain't payback a bitch?

[@5Mariner]

A note to anyone currently writing their own franchise. NEVER sell the rights to Disney!

[@chpsilva]

Never lose grip of your intellectual property, actually.

[@Crudeliciousbops]

@@chpsilvalike Rowling.

[@TheOutlando]

Tolkien did that in his will, little did he know about Amazon these days. ^^

[@iamthewizardwhoknocks2845]

Disney won't have any money buy anything soon.

[@warrenbradford2597]

Nor, any greedy company for that matter. Looking at you Konami! As Clownfish TV said, we must own our own IPs.

[@julianstorm7722]

"Modern cinema has the uncanny feel of watching cosplay, except with the real people" - Chamberlain Great analogy. Thanks for your sane words. Cheers

[@dhu1919]

It's like shitty fanfics got produced by major Hollywood studios.

[@thibaud1832]

How does it feel to have lived long enough to have seen all your favorite franchises go down in flames?

[@iqvoice]

It feels great!

[@Otokichi786]

We still have the old stories, books, and DVDs. Let the "fires on the plain" burn on, people will find the oasis of the public library, old book store, etc. Movies and TV aren't the only outlets of imagination.

[@VinceLyle2161]

Not bad. I watch movies, not franchises, first of all. And like another poster said, there are thousands of movies from the last 90 years that are at least pretty good. I watched one from 1936 that was really entertaining last month.

[@dbass9544]

@@Otokichi786very much agree. Ironically, its never been easier to NOT watch new content since the old, better content is so readily available.

[@NoidoDev]

We will see them rise again, either after they'll need the money after the next financial crash or because of AI in the hands of small creators which might even not care about copyright.

[@backgroundnoise9310]

Something new will born from this ruin. There's always something else to come along.

[@TheGreatSnafoo]

I'd like to know what that might be, because Hollywood hasn't been able to come up with anything new in decades, all they've done is; rehash, regurgitate, and reboot old IP's.

[@brockglock3035]

Maybe they will actually CREATE something???

[@mrconroy4672]

If it's independent, there may be a chance.

[@AdamDj-ic3kr]

Yet starring across this barren wasted land I feel new life will be born beneath the bloodstained sand

[@nicholastotoro7721]

They'll find something. Willow was a stretch, since it really wasn't a hot property when it was new, yet they still ruined it. What's next? They'll just ruin Fraggle Rock or something as meaningless, just for the sake of it.

[@MichaelCravith]

They could have proved everybody wrong on this one by delivering the best possible film. A great sendoff (as though Indiana Jones actually needs one when he already had it 34 years ago, but whatever). Instead, they did exactly what all of us have expected they would since the announcement of the film.

[@Allustar]

Sideline the namesake of the Indiana Jones series for a bitchy “strong woman” character? (I’m not calling her that because I don’t believe women can be strong. I’m calling her that because she’s just another bad woman protagonist with an incredibly shallow character.)

[@lefantomer]

@clotshot9459 AND they managed to disrespect the Antikythera device or however you spell it.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@clotshot9459Indeed! And in the meantime, The Pensuke Files goes against this communist woke nonesense!

[@sevenchambers]

@clotshot9459True. People don’t realize it’s all apart of the one world government agenda.

[@brandonscott5544]

HOLLYWOOD PRODUCTS MOVIES AND SHOWS FAILURE GARAGE 🗑

[@KingEgyptian]

What makes this all the more painful is that all of these franchises could have still thrived if these filmmakers had an ounce of creativity and passion.

[@toddpoppleton5303]

Maybe if the filmmakers could just pretend they don’t loathe the fans.

[@mrburton8842]

They have loads of passion... Just not for films.

[@dr.elvis.h.christ]

And now those talentless crybabies are on strike! Let them all go! TIme to let some indie artists and producers have a chance.

[@lefantomer]

@@mrburton8842 Also 4:13: Yes there is, and let them write their own Great Stories, I'm tired of seeing mine ripped off.

[@michaelwills1926]

It’s an agenda, all this hero stuff has to go. It’s that simple.

[@lodrezzon]

You finally described current Hollywood perfectly; strip mining! These people suck the last value out of any property they acquire, not intending to continue building a quality product for future consumption, but to extract any value / monetization from an existing show or franchise, based on the nostalgia value the property still possesses; properties they had no hand in creating. I wouldn't mind it if they declared that was their intention, but the endless interviews and red carpet faunings about how these 'creators' are so excited about their modern interpretations of these classic characters, and all the new diversity and inclusion these updated stories contain to reach a wider audience, sickens me. These people have no talent, no creativity, no vision, and no soul. We live in the world of glorified fan fiction, where these awkward, socially inept writers place narrative surrogates of themselves into iconic stories, so that they can feel cool too despite having no place in the story. A kind of narrative stolen valor; like getting your picture taken with discount Chewie or Greedo at a Disney Star Wars photo-op. Anyone with a 100 IQ can be taught to write a sentence, but to be a Tolkien, Lucas, or Hemmingway requires more. In the race for the next viral hit, studios are literally throwing billions of dollars at the walls trying to find talent, rather than just sitting back and seeing where true cinematic innovation is coming from and nurturing it. And we, the audience, are their unlucky test bed. PS: You, Mauler, and It'saGundam need a live stream. The general cast of characters (Nerdrotic, Doomcock, etc) are mildly entertaining, but they tend to spend their time making fun of everything rather than offering any real solutions or analysis. I'd hire all 3 of you for my writer's room if I had a studio, since it's endearing to hear the shared pain in your voices when you talk of the destruction of our childhood inspirations.

[@VinceLyle2161]

"Narrative stolen valor." That's really good. Kudos.

[@mxvega1097]

Echo joins Critical Drinker every now and then but - as he's a modest, and self-effacing chap - frequently gets talked over by blowhards with the same set of a dozen talking points.

[@lodrezzon]

@@mxvega1097 Seems similar to Mauler.

[@DEWwords]

Bullseye

[@cameronjones8641]

Great comment!

[@Hibernicus1968]

Regarding the point toward the end of the video about the inability of modern screenwriters to write compelling male characters... I think the number one problem here is the limited life experience of those screenwriters. I would bet real money that the typical bio of a Hollywood screenwriter today consists of growing up in an upper middle class or wealthier home, going to a university and majoring in the liberal arts, possibly going to film school, then interning on the staff of some TV series or other, or somewhere else in the entertainment industry, and then working their way up to their present positions. Contrast that with the generation of writers around when the original Star Trek was on the air. Gene Roddenberry had been a bomber pilot during WWII, and had worked as a Los Angeles police officer for a while post-war while he was trying to break into the writing business. Star Trek TOS producer Gene L. Coon had been a marine during WWII and Korea (though he didn't see combat in WWII IIRC). Twilight Zone creator Rod Serling had been a paratrooper in the Pacific Theater during WWII. Donald Wilson, co-creator of Doctor Who had served in WWII with the Cameronians and the 43rd Wessex Division. _Mel Brooks_ was a combat veteran, having been a combat engineer in the ETO during WWII. Moving to a bit later, Oliver Stone was a Vietnam War veteran. Going back a bit further, J.R.R. Tolkien had served in combat in the trenches during WWI, before he went on to become a scholar of genuine note in his field. These men, and lots of others of their respective generations had a hell of a lot more, and a lot more varied life experience than most of the TV and movie script writers of today, who only know the world outside the entertainment industry from what they read, and what they watch on a screen. I think a lot of that difference shows in their writing.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Even some of children's book authors can have some great stories of year creation. Wilbert Awdry wrote the first few stories of the railway series as a means of entertaining his 8 year old son Christopher one day sick with measles in bed. Brian Jacques created the first Redwall book as a story for blind children at a school with a world they could immerse themselves in

[@19eightyforeisnow]

​@@Thomasmemoryscentralwasn't watership down written or made up for the authors daughters before it became a novel?

[@MediumRareOpinions]

I'll add another name. Roald dahl was an RAF pilot before going on to write children's books.

[@tool2158]

Sure, this is a valid point. Stil they also lack creativity and imagination independent of their life experience. I think the lack of imagination and creativity is the bigger issue. You can lead a dull life and potentially still come up with fantastic ideas, let’s not pretend that this isn’t possible. But our current world has eliminated our imagination.

[@nickcasale2767]

Finally a solution to bad movies, all we need is another world war

[@lance134679]

I have to hand it to them. They knew their mission and carried it out completely, destroying all our favourite old legacy characters. Now they can sit on their throne of ashes.

[@scottsommer9843]

I have three major identifiers to know whether a film will be good or bad. 1. When the writers and director at any point say "this was written for modern audiences." That right there is all I need to hear to know that they are gonna force insert a minority (black, gay, trans, etc. Bonus point if all.) 2. If a known woke actress is gonna be in it. (Pheobe Waller-Bridge comes to mind. She always plays the "strong independant wahmen that treats men like shit.) 3. When talk about diversity ALOT.

[@Moolers]

Diversity is the number one for me. Not that there's anything wrong with diversity in itself, but when that's all you can talk about, you just know it's going to suck because clearly nothing else was important.

[@Dinosreviews]

To quote The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. “We seem to have reached the age where life stops giving us things and starts taking them away.”

[@teeznyarlathotep8700]

Echo Chamberlain: "There's nothing left to ruin." Hollywood: "Hold my Bud Light."

[@alpyki2588]

Yep. I remember thinking almost a decade ago, "They're making another Dark Shadows movie? Have they run out of ideas?" Boy was I wrong. They will continue to either remake everything the higher ups remember slightly being a thing, and pilfering from works not already movie properties until nothing of value is left. We're going to see levels in about the next decade or so the likes of which we've never seen. I'm not talking "they've remade Casablanca," levels, I'm talking about "they've remade what? The Abominable Dr. Phibes?" They'll attempt to grab every piece of matter on the way down the hole they dug for themselves, and none of it will be enough to safe Hollywood's bloated mass.

[@eraserhead6198]

I think what’s most insulting and aggravating is there’s never any palpable change that comes from their own failures. They’re just rewarded more and more projects.

[@johnlhuet5358]

It's kind of amazing that many people still care about movies and tv shows. Breaking from the Hollywood spell is a luxury only a few can afford..

[@5dmkiii60]

The revised budget estimate for the Fleabag girl boss movie is $329 Million after reshoots. Not $295 Million. Ad spending was estimated to be $100 million, $50 million less than usual for a movie this big because Disney Marketing thought it was going to flop and didn't want to burn more money to promote what they already knew was going to be a flop. It cost $429 MILLION to get this movie in theaters. That means this movie will have to make close to $900 Million just to break even for Disney, after the distributors and theaters take their cut of 50% of gross ticket sales. Figure $20 million for Harrison Ford alone, plus whatever percentage of gross he managed to get on top of that and you get the drift. This movie is going to lose more money than any other movie in history. Well done Kathleen Kennedy!!! She is the "gift" that keeps losing billions for Disney. Add the $2 BILLION investment lost in HER Galactic F up, Starcruiser idea and killing Star Wars and the Indy Jones franchises' and it makes her the single most expensive, money losing employee in the world's history of employment. I hope she stays with Disney until they file for Chapter 11. She will almost single handedly be the reason they will need to file for it. The poisonous brilliance of KK is hard to overstate. She will have nearly killed Disney, will have been personally responsible for losing Disney BILLIONS of dollars, and when fired, will get a, "Just go away" payout of around $30 Million just to get rid of her, after she DESTROYED everything she set out to destroy. That, there, is genius. She will go down as the single most costly and destructive "employee" in human, employment history. That is an amazing accomplishment. She truly is the Sith Lord of Hollywood. Palpatine would be proud.

[@davisdenver6756]

The reason Disney keeps Kathleen Kennedy around is because it's not about the money. It's about pushing the message.

[@DonDiego1973]

Wishful thinking. Disney is so unbelievably big, it can afford to go on like this for many years to come. It'll have to tighten the purse strings, yes, but it will not go bankrupt, its market share and brand recognition (yes, the casuals don't care that what's being poured in their troughs is shit) are way too big. There IS a first, though: For the first time ever Disney put in their Securities and Exchange Commission report that they will continue to pursue their "social goals" at the expense of making profit. A multi-billion company is saying that they will happily LOSE money as long as they can keep furthering their ideology.

[@5dmkiii60]

@@DonDiego1973 So true. Iger has NO intention of, "dialing down the heat on social issues." He's the architect of Disney's dive into leftist social engineering. Just look at the new Rey movie and who they hired to direct it? Iger OK'd that and Kennedy is doubling down on the, "Force is Feminist" and very anti male, BS. Both Iger and Kennedy KNOW this movie will fail utterly, but they don't care. They only care about..."THE MESSAGE." Only thing that's going to stop Disney's further descent into woke madness is if Peltz and Perlmutter get on the Board and oust Disney's chief wokie....IGER.

[@hatuletoh]

I grew up a long-haired, West Coast 90s grunge kid, and at the time, we were accused by some people of being too feminine (it was probably the hair, it's always the hair). But even the most vegan-minded, soy-soaked, neo-hippie pretty boy from the 90s seems like a paragon of raging masculinity compared to Hollywood's current idealized male. Personally, I won't be at all surprised if the ghosts of Cary Grant and Steve McQueen show up to haunt all our asses.

[@whothoughthandleswereagoodidea]

That's because Hollywood's idealized male is a woman

[@gsp6517]

I'm terribly sorry, but I don't take most of the complaints about the "pussyfication" of society seriously, especially considering how most of the men (yes, men) behind them aren't exacly models of masculinity themselves.

[@iBloodxHunter]

​@@gsp6517lol what an interesting way to tell everybody that you're an idiot. I would have chosen a different way, something other than going "this is fine" in a housefire but eh.

[@irresponsiblyblue1411]

@@gsp6517 Good show. If you can't argue against the message, you can always attack the messenger.

[@gsp6517]

@@irresponsiblyblue1411 Most people who argue said "message" do so by attacking others appearances, so what's the point?

[@old_newbie9498]

Well said. That clip of the Star Wars brainstorming session, and the list they came up with on the whiteboard, is the perfect single snapshot that...nobody in charge of these woke remakes/sequels have any clue about what made these shows the icons they were or why the fans were drawn to it.

[@d3l3tes00n]

There's nothing "woke." lol No one likes these movies

[@ltb1345]

@@d3l3tes00n They are woke, that's why no one likes them.

[@bottlethrower1544]

With great wokeness comes great brokeness 😢

[@MegaToonzNetwork]

*gives you a bottle*

[@torbenkristiansen2742]

If the goal was to keep people away from the cinema, it sure worked. Was a huge fan of most of these franchises. Now there is no feeling. Breath is just a clock.

[@Finwaell]

just pick your movies carefully. Last year Northman and Drive my Car and Top Gun were awesome. you don't need to be at the cinema 3 times a week. read a (good) book rather.

[@josh_hugo]

This (like so much else that is happening today) was specifically predicted in "Atlas Shrugged." In it, popular artists, lacking any principles or convictions to inspire them, run out of ideas and begin producing inferior copies of the previous generation's work instead.

[@VinceLyle2161]

And pushing legislation limiting how many copies can be made, so the incompetent can't be eclipsed by the great.

[@harbl99]

"Bastion of masculinity Paul Feige [...] and imposing alpha male Alex Kurtzman." You have no idea how many time I had to rewatch that section to catch the names and descriptors of all those Hollywood ultra-giga-chads. Well done Echo.

[@richardmcgowan1651]

I hope it all just keeps going. Disney is losing so much money that even Blackrock cant keep up with the money being wasted.

[@makhmal1776]

Can't wait for the all female "Godmother". Sooo braaaaave!

[@FUh_Que_-]

"Look how they massacred my They/Them" 😆😆

[@makhmal1776]

@@FUh_Que_- 😂😂

[@VinceLyle2161]

"Frieda, you're my non-binary sibling, but don't ever take sides against our matriarchal, polyamorous familial unit again. Ever."

[@VinceLyle2161]

I know it was you, Frieda. You broke my heart. You broke my heart.

[@choreomaniac]

Dune. Bladerunner. Top Gun. Karate Kid. All successful reboots of a beloved franchise. What do they have in common? An obvious familiarity of the source material and reverence for it. And a respect of the fan base. A desire to “do right” by the source material. No one was really clamoring for them. We didn’t need them. But that’s why they had to be good. They couldn’t be just a cash grab. There is some nostalgia. Some fan service but it was primarily a deeper exploration, a reconnection a character study performed by people who liked the character.

[@satazs6195]

There is one last franchise left. Back to the Future. It's been safe so far because the creators (Bob Gale and Robert Zemeckis) refuse to sell the rights. But just you wait 10-15 years until they die of old age (they are 71) and whoever gets the rights after will sell them to Disney or Amazon or whoever. The same thing that happened with Tolkien and LOTR.

[@markadler8968]

I think internet/social media is also the downfall of most modern movies with progressive content. There is simply no hiding whether a movie is garbage or not. People also tend to boycott most movies once they have been disappointed a few times, especially from large franchises. It has gotten to the point where a lot of people today get more satisfaction watching a movie fail than actually going to the theatre to view it.

[@apexoldguy]

yeah youtubers and critics have only made things worse!

[@markadler8968]

@@apexoldguy How so? Are people not allowed to have an opinion or are they just allowed one when it aligns with your narrative? Good movies will be successful despite any opinions/content from critics. The fact is that most movies/entertainment today fail because people are tired of having woke ideologies ingrained in everything. If they made movies people actually liked we would watch them but instead they force their agenda on people and we are tired of it.

[@autisticlegionnaire3624]

@@apexoldguy Quite the opposite. KZbinrs have given a voice to moviegoers concerns

[@Anna-ht7xx]

None of these things are the problem with the film industry. The problem with the film industry is the fact that it's an industry, any human artform wether movies, books, music, you name it, gets it's creativity sucked out when it becomes an industry since our capitalistic system doesn't value creativity, it values profits. And when things that are supposed to be art get produced for no other reason other than profit, it becomes soulless and you lose the magic of the artform.

[@markadler8968]

@@Anna-ht7xx That might be a part of why these movies are failing miserably but what about movies like Top Gun 2 and the new Avatar? They both avoided woke content and did extremely well at the box office. You are completely dismissing peoples opinions/values and their impact on their decision to watch a movie or not. Also if movies are an industry and value profit over everything why are they making the conscious decision to include this content when they know people despise it? To deny that these ideologies are not having an impact on movie attendance is denying reality.

[@gnarwhal7562]

Robert Zemeckis has earned a lot of respect from myself and others for vehemently refusing to allow a Back to the Future remake/reboot. It truly is the last untouched gem

[@smasome]

Excellent. My feelings exactly. Only more beautifully phrased. Thank you.

[@mamaya311]

There's going to be an entire generation of kids who grow up without any franchises of their own to latch onto because Hollywood insisted on wasting it's time destroying previous generations' franchises instead. Even as a business model, that's just colossally stupid.

[@sterling7]

The overwhelming feeling I get from most of the franchise-ruinings described is that their creators believe an audience is something they deserve, not something they have to earn. Despite all their protestations, they *aren't* reflecting the modern world; they're reflecting one where behaving as they do and believing what they do, alone, gets their characters respect and success. They don't need to change, struggle, compromise; the world ought to change around them.

[@Cougelly1999]

I see the sense in this, for some time it felt like something was wrong, wondering where this was going, wanting more, being dissatisfied, pointlessness, sadness. It is an unfortunate state of affairs which needs fixing.

[@jskywalker58]

trust me if someone made a movie that ACTUALLY reflect the world we now live now those same people would being throwing a tantrum and do everything they could to cancel it

[@FatNorthernBigot]

If Star Wars was breakfast, Rey would be Bran Flakes. It's supposed to be good for us, but we all want the bacon sandwich that is Han Solo.

[@danielcohn-bendit701]

I do lov a bacon sandwich.

[@luchomscyfy]

"How do you feel to live long enough to see your favorite franchises go down in flames?" - RedLetterMedia

[@jonmichaelgalindo]

I'm re-reading LoTR for the first time since HS, and these are some really good books! :-)

[@crackdbrain34]

The sadness of the realisation that everything you have said here is true, is only outweighed by the way in which you convey your points. Thankyou again for your work.

[@xaviyuh4653]

Dated this one girl who genuinely got excited for remakes with identity politics in it and she would deem those who did not enjoy them to be awful people. Turns out she was just as bad as the people she was demonizing

[@steveswafen2528]

Echo's vocal & music edits are always an added bonus 🤘

[@hariman7727]

Independent productions still make good and great stories, movies, and such. Edit: Hollywood is ignoring at least 2 generations of great books they could adapt to movies.

[@urbanstarship]

They are desperate to get their hands on "Back to the Future"

[@Andrew_TS]

"How does it feel to live long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?"

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

I love that Rich Evans quote because it was about Star Trek, something that's near and dear to my heart too. Another wonderful Evansism is when he called what Kurtzman and pals did to Star Trek "secular blasphemy".

[@projimbo]

You have succinctly told the truth sir. I salute you 😊

[@ralphthewrecker302]

Thank you for making a video that encapsulates how I feel. It wasn’t until Indy just came out that I finally realized we have all been duped so much like a frog in a pot with the heat slowly being turned up… in that cultural appropriation had just one target left: the strong white male lead character. Once we replace all those as we have now, the world will be free of oppression. No, not really? The last decade we have seen the weakest writing possible from what used to be a pinnacle of the worlds cinema- all for the goal of cultural equity. Well, if anyone needs a further example of how that looks in cinema, as you said; I don’t know what’s left for KK to ruin.

[@PeterDivine]

It's funny. I was always contemptuous of the flop of the Black Cauldron movie being the only cinematic legacy of Lloyd Alexander's excellent Bildungsroman series in the Chronicles of Prydain. With some careful planning and pacing, there is absolutely grounds there to make it into another Harry Potter, just with less magic casting and more swordplay/character development. I now just quietly pray it stays dead so no one gets the idea to defile it.

[@Thomasmemoryscentral]

Sometimes I wonder if Brian Jacques is lucky that Redwall never picked up much success on TV because Hollywood cant ruin something that while decently successful for a cartoon adaption is kind of a niche thing. Netflix bought the book rights in 2019 and brought on Patrick McHale to write a script to complete but never proceeded farther than that. Hopefully they wont mess it up

[@jesweat0327]

I don't even want to consider what they would do to Taran and Eilonwy.

[@alpyki2588]

Thats how I am with nearly anything, even if its something I like in bad taste. When the one thing you are excited to return is Subspecies, then something is fundamentally wrong with the entertainment landscape.

[@benwest3223]

Pessimist: This can't possibly get any worse. Optimist: Oh yes it can!

[@MegaToonzNetwork]

Ben West: Well I guess it's.....HERO TIME!!!!!

[@Salad_ass]

"For I am become Death. Destroyer of Franchises." - Kathleen Kennedy

[@VinceLyle2161]

Ironic, since Oppenheimer is opening this week...

[@PJKP82]

Back to the Future, Mission: Impossible, Top Gun, Babylon 5, Firefly, John Wick, Metal Gear Solid... plenty left!

[@jneilson7568]

There's a contract protecting Back to the Future, for now anyway, but I'm sure it's coming even if it's an unnecessary prequel that'll feel far more childish than the early 1990s cartoon spinoff.

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

Back to Future is safe for another 20 years, then watch Zemeckis' family give in to greed just like that of J.R.R. Tolkien's grandchildren.

[@jimsteinmanfan80]

The writer of Enola Holmes where Enola replaces her brother Sherlock have also written about Rowan Hood, the daughter of Robin Hood. If paid well she is likely to be willing to write about women near King Arthur, Hercules and all other male heroes, just like they recently did with Peter Pan and WENDY. There is probably plenty left to ruin.

[@AngryMinkey]

Back to the Future is the last one standing.. They need to hide that inside the arc of the covenant to protect it

[@benfisher9968]

It’s safe whilst Robert Zemeckis is alive

[@tdog5035]

I hope zemeckis puts the rights into some kind of unbreakable 100 year trust so his family can't get greedy and sell it to the highest bidder like the Tolkien family did.

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

It's good for another 20 years before Zemeckis' family likely gives in to greed very much like that of J.R.R. Tolkien's grandchildren.

[@JoJoJoker]

The goal is to get paid a lot of money to break things. The writers don’t care about corporate profits or box office revenue. They have been very successful in achieving this goal.

[@davehandelman2832]

Elemental ROCKS!!! One of the GREATEST love stories of the year!!!

[@aurawolf2221]

I have ONE piece of entertainment that I still enjoy.... The Orville, That hasn't yet been ruined!

[@fattiger6957]

I dunno about that. From what I watched of it, Season 3 was awful. I despise that new young female character they added. She was the definition of "strong female character", almost like the studio mandated she be shoehorned in.

[@aurawolf2221]

@@fattiger6957 you mean Ensign Burke? I dunno I personally thought they handled her character pretty well, particularly when Ed mentioned her having "a monopoly on grief" I always saw that as a dig at these types of people who let their feelings run their lives, & I appreciate the fact that despite being a lesbian character, it wasn't obvious or pushed on the viewer.

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

Once you get past the first few rough episodes _Star Trek: Lower Decks_ gets good and stays that way. It's *easily* the best thing to come out of this NuTrek era.

[@aurawolf2221]

@@BiggieTrismegistus I was actually gonna consider watching that but I just never got round to it.

[@estel5335]

“From the ashes a fire shall be woken, A light from the shadows shall spring; Renewed shall be blade that was broken, The crownless again shall be king.” ― J.R.R. Tolkien, The Fellowship of the Ring

[@TheCatWatches]

We have only one left. We must protect the Shrek Franchise at all costs!

[@MediumRareOpinions]

They announced live action How to Train your Dragon complete with race swap casting. They'll come for Shrek next. It's gone, the cause is lost.

[@caligulapontifex5759]

Back to the Future as well

[@Se7nom]

There's still "Back to the Future", (un?)fortunately shielded with Robert Zemeckis's life. When he dies, it's hunting season. 😭

[@tylergoodman3560]

Thank you for saying this. I don't know when, but one day, the high-ups at Hollywood will find out that identity politics has no business in movies. 😢🎉

[@neji667]

There's always more to ruin, don't worry!!

[@El_Andru]

Yeah, the thing is, hopefully more and more people will start to care less. So something with actual substance will be appreciated eventually. Its sad, but at the same time its good. Its just evolution of things.

[@FUh_Que_-]

Flintstones soon and I can see them ruining Gilligan's Island, Greatest American Hero and more... like a junkie rummaging through old things to see what they can sell, they will ruin more

[@mattcolver1]

"The Age Of Ersatz Entertainment". What a great line.

[@motaman8074]

Spot on. Exceptional essay.

[@chadakoin1]

All we have left is Idiocracy and The Room.

[@VinceLyle2161]

Where the hell is the next Tommy Wisseau masterpiece?

[@MBP1918]

It could very well be the end of the traditional big budget cinema films tbh

[@andrewparker1847]

Doctor who was the one that hurt the most for me, over 50 years of hard work just flushed down the toilet. It would've been better if the show had never come back.

[@Grim2]

There's Back to the Future. Though thankfully THAT is currently under protection of its creators who are against any reboot attempts.

[@teastrainer3604]

They'd send woke modern people to the past to enlighten those folks.

[@Anthonydavis65]

Lets hope that stays but i wouldnt put it past them to try

[@kurtisrobertson2151]

Good wiil come from this. Good storys, good characters, good writers, after destruction on such a catastrophic scale there can only be time to rebuild and build better.

[@loganford3921]

The only thing that they haven't ruin is Karate Kid. I think they did great with the Cobrai Kai comeback unlike the recent Star Wars movies.

[@JR-ej9up]

This is why we need actors. Stars we go see. Not film brands from corporate. Controlled. But the actors are woke as hell too so you're screwed with that as well.

[@sabatheus]

This video is a masterclass evaluation of the current state of Hollywood. It really has become a cartoon of itself-with the Velma example being most apt. What’s happening with Lucasfilm and Pixar at Disney should be a clarion call for the rest of the industry. We, as viewers, just want good stories, well told. We don’t want to be preached to or told what terrible people we are.

[@northshore1000]

I just happily subscribed to your channel. Most happily!! You’re speaking for us! Thank you!!!

[@thomasreynolds3819]

It's amazing, I was just thinking the same thing. At this point, I don't really care what does well and what flops even. I'll probably check in to see if The Marvels flops at the box office for a good laugh, but after that I'll be completely checked out. I'll probably stop watching review KZbin channels as well. The only thing I really care about are old movies and when it comes to that, I think I've seen all the masterpieces already. Maybe I'll get back into reading. I've been meaning to do that for a while.

[@Mr.Goodkat]

There's no way in hell you've seen all the masterpieces, there is an endless back catalogue of great films, nobody has seen all the great ones, *nobody*.

[@thomasreynolds3819]

@@Mr.Goodkat When it comes to the movies that you "Must watch before you die" I've seen most of them. You're right that there's probably a ton of underrated or undiscovered movies that are brilliant which I haven't seen, but I try not to lose sleep over that because I could never possibly see every movie in my lifetime.

[@Mr.Goodkat]

@@thomasreynolds3819 It's feasible to see every great one though, I just think what prevents people is effort, the time it takes to find them and not knowing where to look, nobody ever said anything about seeing every film in your lifetime, sure tons of them aren't even worth seeing.

[@brooks7894]

You are a god to me. Obsessed with your brilliant, honest and desperately needed content. Thank you, Echo!

[@policesquad]

Translation: Heart me daddy.

[@blodiaaa6990]

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[@MatsubaAgeha]

6:38～ "There's nothing left to DECONSTRUCT, to STRIP-MINE..." (Exactly; brilliant summary!)

[@chpsilva]

They can't touch Back to the Future. Thanks, Mr. Zemeckis.

[@DeistPaladin]

Here's a wild idea. Bare with me because I don't know if it's been done before. How about have the legacy, beloved, well-established hero who's now old and due to be replaced by a younger, new hero, how about we have them in the wise mentor role. He recognizes the talent in the younger hero and teaches her what he's learned over the years. He trains her in whatever it is the hero in this IP does (be a Jedi or whatever). She struggles at first, we do a montage with some music in the background, both get frustrated but she picks herself up and shows determination. By the end of the arc, the audience we accept the replacement because she's earned her way while properly respecting the legacy hero that paved the way.

[@metronome8471]

creed was s0 g00d

[@lemond2007]

Disney: There is PLENTY left to ruin. We're just getting started.

[@hagerty1952]

Marvelous, succinct summary! Thank you!

[@Larry]

We still have Back to the Future kept pure!!! :)

[@douglassmolens1455]

I laughed out loud several times. Good writing.

[@paulomendonca330]

They won't stop.... they want to erase all those "toxic masculinity success" that we all used to admire, with "toxic feminisms failures" forcing us all to watch our beloved characters, worlds and stories, die melancholy

[@harryv6752]

You totally had me at Never Ending Story. Totally rad! 🤟

[@floydfanboy2948]

Hollywood is dead. No tears are shed. Let it rot.

[@dmomintz]

2016 to 2023 will be known as the affirmative action era of film.

[@Avarn388]

It truly sucks that Indiana Jones 5 was terrible(in spite of its defenders trying to label us critics and use terrible defenses) but the sliver lining is for the prospective/ future writers. I can only speak for myself I've been in the process of writing a story, and videos like this, EFAP, Drinker etc. have helped me realize what to avoid when writing and the importance of redrafting and making sure every scene, plot beat, and character counts. And if I do realize this and it gets harsh feedback or mixed/ negative responses I'll hopefully be able to realize this is a learning opportunity, to see what common problems were shared and to hopefully do better. Because for me, it is less now that bad work is produced but rather the ego and hubris a lot of these creatives have towards us, seeing us as plebs who don't get it or should just consume it. No thanks. Audiences are customers. If they have a problem, they have every right to raise it. And good chefs and writers will know they need to develop a thick skin and learn to listen to feedback.

[@lodrezzon]

Step One: ask yourself "What would Alex Kurtzman or Damon Lindeloff do?". Then do the opposite. Good luck on the writing journey. Creativity is the last undiscovered country for humanity, and it needs strong, educated writers to brave the wilderness of naysayers and talentless crybabies to get to the promised land of timeless appeal.

[@wtfdoihavetodohere]

There are a lot of truly genius people out there. It's important for a creator to remember this when considering audience feedback. Hollywood is stuck right now because everything they produce is politically motivated, and so any negative feedback is seen as political opposition rather than creative criticism.

[@upvoter8798]

Well most people have their blindspots when it comes to things. For I recall long ago. Efap being confused over there being two games named star wars battlefront but didn't get why people could get confused over two characters being nickname Mj. Since Mary Jane waston, is who most people would think of when you say Mj in context of being related to spider-man. Like how many would think of Peter Parker as Spider-man. For when dealing with iconic characters, there is always going to be certain things attached to them. Which can lead to some confusion if someone said I love Mj in context of spider-man. But they don't mean Mary Jane Waston. Rather Michelle Jones-Watson. Similar names, same nickname. easy to see why confusion can be had here. Which even they are sometimes guilty of not proper explaining their reasoning. Like going yes Uncle ben did effect Peter but never explain how. Something they would request others go into depth about. That is not to say they don't do good work but rather pointing out how important it can be to have someone else over look your work. A good editor can be worth their weight in gold or well listening to feed back. Since having another set of eyes can point out the issues or flaws you might of not personally seen when working on it. Of course like everything, take it with a gain of salt. For we do know game journalist exists and people like them, who will make up pure nonsense that doesn't fit reality Or their issues with something are not legit story issues at all but rather them merely disliking a thing, only to still fame it as a major issue, When following their advise might lead to more story issues. Like wait, how come in medieval setting with limited travel, every place and area looks the same. wouldn't things look more different from place to place, due to limited travel methods making it hard to get around? Which is hollywoods issue. They gladly embrace their blind spots, along with outright dismissing any feed back given to them, rather than thinking it over for a moment or two if it valid. For they can never be wrong in anything and want you to blindly worship them as gods. even when you can watch media from today and compare it to the past, to see how they did things differently. Learning yeah many modern movies are trash. Rey adventures vs that of Luke in the original is good case point. One has proper challenge and struggles can suffer be beaten down, along side their heroic moments. While the other is a mere god that suffers no downsides for their actions and gets most if not everything handed to them on a silver plate. For one can even look at anime. Bleach being a good one. Where you can yes the main hero can fall, fail, have their dark moments. Only they also have their heroic moments, successes and just cool epic moments. For there is a balance here that exists. Hollywood likes to only use half the tool box. Torture their heroes or spoil them like a rich kid. Forgetting balance is the key to build a proper story. For success without risk of failure, is rather hollow. Which by removing success or failure from a character, you remove key building bricks. That can help one to better understand a character. Like how do they act when successful, when they fail? how do they deal with hardship? For the viewer will never get to learn these things if they can never win or lose.

[@Avarn388]

@@upvoter8798 A very erudite essay. Thank you. Accounting for blind spots matters a lot when assessing media and writing it. We all have them and I won't say that I've avoided them, but it's good to at least have the self-awareness to act upon them when called out on. I love EFAP but they have demonstrated that as you said with Spider-Man and even Last Airbender. Still, I do see a lot of value in their breakdowns because they are just simply taking the work as it is. They value media that puts in the time and effort to make everything count. And a lot of that comes from redrafting, something Hollywood is struggling with. A lot of it is due to sharp deadlines, and numerous producers wanting to "put their stamp" but as you said it is the stubborn refusal of meaningful feedback, believing they are godsend for their work. It's why for me personally, I've been taking it one brick at a time, building out my characters and then having a very good editor look over my work(heck I'm currently working on redrafting my story, and characters. He praised my world building which is nice but that is meaningless if those two aren't up to snuff) and give me good feedback matters. Because suspending one's ego allows you to succeed. That doesn't mean I'll go belly up on any criticism because there is bad criticism if it is as you stated bad faith or inaccurate. But generally, I do like to listen, and instill the stuff that I liked/ influences and making something that hopefully the general audiences will like. If you're curious my pitch for my work is John Carter/ Tarzan with Hindu mythology. That's all I can share for now, but basically it's something I've had brainstorming for a while now and I'm currently in the process of hammering out the details/ making a draft to be molded. Because you will never catch me using a first draft, ever. First drafts are the clay that you're supposed to mold to be better.

[@Avarn388]

@@lodrezzon LOL. I can assure you I'm not a fan of either of their work so I don't plan to take what they've done seriously. Thank you for the encouragement.

[@bobhill9845]

This is genuinely funny, thank God there is plenty of good stuff still coming out from other countries

[@indianastones6032]

Truer words have not be spoken!!

[@NeonSamurai72]

The ones they've ruined are the 'big guns' the AAA titles. Someone thought that diminising established male heroes to promote new female ones was asure fire way to bring in the cash, that they destroyed pretty much every big name IP around, only to see that it doesn't work.

[@SaturmornCarvilli]

Something I've always wondered about is if there is any military veteran Hollywood writers on staff at these places. I mean, the U.S. has been at war for a quarter-century, and the military is a culture unto itself. And these places want diversity, right? So, it makes sense that action-oriented IPs looking for diversity would actively seek out veterans. If not directly, those to have firsthand experience with who have been in war. And while everyone is different, I have a hard time believing a military veteran or adjacent who also has the moxie to be a writer wouldn't have an intimate understanding of values that seem devoid in these stories.

[@phillipwee3631]

This is some AMAZING writing! Your perspective is truthsaying, very refreshing.

[@dr.winstonsmith]

Chronicles of Narnia is next, to be directed by Gerta Gerwig. There’s still a lot left to ruin. They’ll remake Casablanca at some point in order to ruin it.

[@Icspiders247]

Loved cross of iron. James Coburn was a great actor. Loved the film so much I even picked up the original book. It was also great.

[@benfisher9968]

At some point, they’ll just reboot the reboots

[@jneilson7568]

They're already doing that with Harry Potter 🙄

[@jneilson7568]

Actually OK, not a reboot, but remaking it into a show already?!

[@benfisher9968]

@@devilselbow Very true, to be fair though there are thousands of comic story lines to adapt. Imagine a reboot of the Jurassic world reboot

[@benfisher9968]

@@jneilson7568 There’s just no way it could possibly be better than the films were lol

[@vincei4252]

Empowerment is very powerful. It destroys everything it touches. I wonder why.

[@savior76gd]

You underestimate their power. There is always something that they can ruin.

[@VinceLyle2161]

Remake of "Gone with the Wind" in 5...4...3...

[@credibilityproblem8250]

They're going to start digging deep for things to ruin, maybe films like Flight of the Navigator or Goonies

[@freedone.]

well done video. They have run out of stuff to ruin. It's come full circle...

[@gregmize01]

"Wow, mr sarcasm." 😂😂😂😂

[@squarepickle]

That's when Hollywood realized... They hadn't made Bruce Wayne and Clark Kent gay black women. 😂

[@lissavanhouten6628]

I like well-developed male AND female characters who have narrative arcs. I do want to see more female-centered stories in film, but I want to see them in their own original stories with great dialogue, cinematography, plots, storytelling, writing, character development, etc. Actually, I want to see these things in most of the movies I see. I really am yearning for movies that have creativity and imagination. One recent film i think had this was 😮 Everything Everywhere All at Once. Such interesting characters and an innovative film. Plus, there are so many great books that would make great film adaptations. Project Hail Mary anyone. To give Hollywood somewhat of a kudo, and to be honest, maybe Hollywood is overcompensating for all the portrayals of toxic males (and making many of them heroes). This is not to say that females can't be toxic too). I do like male characters that can express emotions and empathy and that treat women with respect and care. That's why one of my favorite male characters is Aragon from Lord of the Rings. He's one of the healthier male characters depicted and has a beautiful narrative arc.

[@capo4ever334]

You forgot the academy award nominated “call me by your name”

[@Procket12]

They also proved that all those bias against them were completely right and should be reimplemented.

[@Dantegrey1]

You mentioned The Neverending Story. That franchise seems to be on the drawing board right now. Should we guess which characters will be race swapped, which will be the actual main character and how many of the original themes will be changed for populist clichés? I will watch the original for the 100th time, I will read the novel for the 20th time. I will rewatch both the crappy sequels, the awful tv-series and the underwhelming animated show. I will enjoy all of it, but I bet I will never watch the new one. I wouldn't have the heart.

[@347Jimmy]

The sad thing is, Neverending Story could genuinely benefit from a competent remake The old movie only covered the first half of the book, and the sequel did a bad job of the second half They were both heavily watered down Staying 100% true to the book with all the dark shit left intact would be amazing

[@Dantegrey1]

@@347Jimmy I absolutely agree

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

Even if the book author didn't like it, the 1984 movie is absolutely wonderful, timeless and nostalgic despite it's flaws. The sequels were just plain awful, there was hardly any effort tying to emulate the 1st movies' magic. A remake / reboot will no doubt be infested with current day race and gender ideology nonsense. It's just unavoidable at this point.

[@347Jimmy]

@@mr.sinjin-smyth the old movie has a charm of its own that is separate to the book, much like Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (vs the the book and more faithful Charlie adaption) A true-to-the-book adaption would kick a lot of people right in the childhood lol I think you're right that there's just no chance of a quality remake these days, it would get polluted

[@mr.sinjin-smyth]

@@347Jimmy I love Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka very much, while can't bring myself to ever watch Depp's version (no disrespect to him). You're absolutely right that the 1984 NeverEnding story movie is it's own thing from the source material. A classic lighting in the bottle material, just like Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka. Both movies have aged and hold up amazingly well for all times and generations.