There Was a Hole Here | Silent Hill 2 (12)

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[@ChrisKuglerDev]

Angela's lines make me wonder if she found files about James the same way we did about her.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Yeah, in her campaign, there are newspaper articles of James and Mary scattered around, with some redaction here and there.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Nah, I was just making a theoretical hypothesis lol

[@erikkumitsubashi1048]

It's most likely her androphobia manifested causing her to believe all men are demons. She perceives James in this case to always have an ulterior motive.

[@BrBross]

Maybe she had an encounter with the little girl like Eddie did

[@erikkumitsubashi1048]

@@BrBross maybe, but if she did, it would seem irrelevant to the story so it's not expanded on nor revealed

[@pliskin101]

Angela's room is one of the scariest ones in the game. Just a big cube of flesh with metal pounding holes in it. It's so in your face with the symbolism but also effective in disturbing you.

[@PR--un4ub]

Disgusting, not scary.

[@rokudodamaza]

Does he have the trophies off, I don't think Wool n Reg figured out she was sexually abused, just that she was beaten

[@k96man]

I love how in the fight with Eddie it makes it incredibly obvious that the enemies are also using tank controls

[@JoshMonreaux]

40:42 Pat: To my knowledge, this is never explained. Woolie: (FIGURES IT OUT!)

[@distantsea]

Maybe Woolie will figure it out

[@EmperorSeth]

I'm impressed how quickly they connected the notes they found to Angela and Walter Sullivan. Walter's eventual deal turns out to be completely different, but there's now way the creators of Silent Hill 2 would have known that at the time.

[@at0micl0bster]

Yeah that’s called a retcon

[@Ether101_Prime]

You mean the people that went on to make Silent Hill 4 where they retcon their own work?

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

@@Ether101_Prime I don't remember what they retconned about him. He was still the same murderer in the 4th game. I guess the thing about the red devil chasing him (pyramid head) where they retconned it in the 4th game where it was Sullivan instead.

[@Ether101_Prime]

@@touchingisjustthefirststep The guy who died was actually a different person. There was some other stuff too that I can't recall off top of my head.

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

@@Ether101_Prime Yea that it wasn't sullivan running away from the devil it was one of sullivans victims running from him (who was running away from him).

[@PlamoTherapy]

A little detail they didn't mention in the graveyard: there's no grave for Laura, which re-contextualizes her "Why should I?" in the hospital, if you don't already know the story or mechanics of Silent Hill.

[@Xunkun]

And her "Huh, are you blind or something?" line-- well, given she walked from South Vale, on a path that has a gaping chasm if James tries-- it's clear we never see _her_ game world. But that line I took to mean there's someone/thing actively protecting her, that James, and therefore us the player, cannot see that would otherwise be in the shot.

[@punishedbrak4255]

@@Xunkun It's been my long standing theory that Laura's not a little girl at all. She's an adult/young adult, but she's actually *innocent,* contrary to everyone else we see in SH2 save for Mary. I've been in a lot of Hospitals, ICUs, and too many Cancer Centers; they don't keep children and adults around each other the way everyone seems to assume they do in order for Laura and Mary to have had any kind of friendship develop in the Treatment Center/Hospital. Mary had a "debilitating disease" - how would she have even met a random little girl in treatment? James doesn't remember her, either; it could be that James never met her, or simply had no care for her, as he was ignoring Mary's situation because of the Misery it brought him. I think that he's only Perceiving her as a little kid; something he's not familiar with but that he has an innate sense to try to protect, however misguided it may be through SHs distorted lens. It's the only thing that's ever made sense to me with the line "Huh? Are you blind or somethin?" After James asks why a *little girl* was on her own in the middle of town. It makes sense to me while fitting with the thematics of the game; it's also just as possible there's other people around, too, who aren't trapped in the personal Misery that SH solidifies and leads you to confront; Laura is half-in and half-out of her own depressing experiences and reflections due to her illness and her connections with Mary and James, but she's not lived enough/is old enough to have any real "Demons" or personal issues. That's why she can be seen by James in his world, but cannot see what he sees. That's really why SH2 stands as such a classic even to this day; it's ambiguous, but impactful; it never feels "artsy" for pretensions sake or "complex" for complexities sake. It's truly open to interpretation while still being a legitimately impactful and powerful Story.

[@Ragitsu]

@@punishedbrak4255 She is a little girl; this game is not _that_ complex.

[@nackskott12]

I've seen a lot of people rag on Angela for being “too weird” and so on, but she's easily the most sympathetic character in the story imo. She killed the man who tormented her, and the whole situation broke her spirit. It's some of the most fucked up subject matter I've seen in a video game, but the trauma parents give their children is something that's touched a lot of people's lives and it's powerful to see it explored in such a raw way. Yet, the game never goes too far despite how bleak the whole plotline is.

[@ricardomiles2957]

That's probably because I didn't finished the game but... she's 17?? She looks 30

[@PR--un4ub]

@@ricardomiles2957 She is - apparently - 19 years old, but I thought she was at least 21 years of age.

[@nackskott12]

@@ricardomiles2957 I forget where her age was confirmed but it was said by an official source at some point. In an interview one of the devs said that the aim was to make her look aged beyond her years. Sometimes trauma does that to people too, you meet someone who looks 45 but they're in their 20s and then you find out it cos they suffered PTSD and they just look older cos stress does have physical effects on the body.

[@nackskott12]

@@PR--un4ub I'm running off of memory so if that's true then thanks for the correction

[@PR--un4ub]

@@nackskott12 Plus, thanks to genetics, some people *inherently* look older than their "true" biological age; when you add a significant amount of stress into the mix, certain individuals can appear to be ten to twenty years beyond their actual age.

[@XyerDark]

Looking back at the cutscene at the end of the Abstract Daddy boss fight it's kinda funny how in such a situation James thought it'd be a good idea to get close to Angela excpecting anything other than that reaction she gave him.

[@ExaltedUriel]

I feel like James tries to be a polite fella but he ain't exactly bright (as you can see later by what he says to start Eddie's boss fight, lol)

[@XyerDark]

@@ExaltedUriel Too blunt if anything.

[@atk2009]

The Woolie Paradox: If given 2 of 3 puzzle pieces, you already have all the pieces. If given 3 of 3 puzzle pieces, there must be more puzzle pieces elsewhere.

[@planguy9575]

A room where the walls are made out of flesh and there are holes where pistons are constantly in motion. I like to call the room the Room of Subtlety. But boy, I feel for Angela. I feel like James wants to help her, but he isn't really in a position to considering he can barely help himself. I feel like with Maria's second death you know what's going on. You might not know exactly what's going on, but you know what's going on. "Orosco!" "Orosco!" That moment was great. The light bulb turning on above both of their heads was hilarious.

[@silverroddo1468]

Woolie, next to Reggie, holding a femur: “Reggie. THIS is Walter.” [Both scream while camera zooms in and out WWE style]

[@AnimeFluxYT]

Damn... a Burbs reference? Well played!

[@silverroddo1468]

@@AnimeFluxYT 😆

[@blackdragoncyrus]

I like how James says "Eddie?" like he doesn't know what's going on after blasting him multiple times with a hunting rifle.

[@Abyss3223]

Even funnier if you one shot him with The Great Knife.

[@Brandon_Powell]

I think it's supposed to convey that James was swept up in the moment and the full realization of what he had done suddenly hit him.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@Brandon_Powell It still comes across as mildly humorous.

[@Brandon_Powell]

@@PR--un4ub I do understand that perspective but I've personally never felt that from the scene.

[@SciontheDark]

Makes you wonder about how much of Silent Hill 2 is real. Like, is James actually walking around with a wooden plank, a steel pipe, a giant chef's knife, a handgun, a shotgun, a rifle, ammo for all his guns, and "healing items?" The game would say he is, and the items themselves may not be from the "real world," but it's something the player can consider.

[@johnoneil9188]

Silent Hill 2 very accurately simulates the experience of your dad taking you out duck hunting at five in the morning.

[@Brandon_Powell]

44:35 The way Eddie wimpers always made me very uncomfortable. I know he has done terrible things and he is too far gone but it's still tragic how he got to that point.

[@PlamoTherapy]

In this episode, Woolie the Overthinker Brute Smarts the Hangman Puzzle.

[@UrobourosZero]

I never would have thought that I’d see someone fail a puzzle so successfully that they don’t even understand the point of the puzzle and still succeed. Like, I’m glad Woolie was able to get past the puzzle, but I was hoping to see his brain work out why that was the solution by dissecting the riddle during the puzzle. He eventually got it though! Still glad to see him play these games, I just hope he either doesn’t get disappointed by the later games if he plays them, or I hope he has fun with QA’ing them if/when it comes to that.

[@PR--un4ub]

The puzzle of the persecuted is a kind of crucible for players that ends up revealing their thought processes; I've seen people struggle to analyze the text for close to an hour while others found the solution almost immediately. There are folks who managed to vanquish this obstacle using bizarre logic. There are folks who thought *all* of the deceased (including the "arsonist") were guilty. Hell, I've even seen a Let's Player think the puzzle simply wanted them to pull the nooses in order of the crimes mentioned in the riddle...and that _worked_ in their favor!

[@blackdragoncyrus]

It's like Pat with the wine glass puzzle in RE4.

[@PR--un4ub]

Ha ha! Wow!

[@rahjeel]

I'm not gonna lie, it took me two takes to get what was happening in the puzzle the first time I played it. Until I re-read the part about the drifter being locked up. That was such a strange and specific line in the riddle that it forced me to rethink what was going on.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@blackdragoncyrus How bad was _that_ attempt?

[@PR--un4ub]

@@rahjeel Did you read the placard mentioning "the sinless one" when you first visited the room or did you have to return before it came into your perception?

[@Szriko]

I can't believe Woolie missed the puzzle and still did it

[@pious83]

52:06 I like that every location and "fall" since you entered the Historical Society, ends up equating to only a few feet from where you started.

[@PR--un4ub]

You see, Woolie? Shooting without hesitation is entirely justified when encountering an abstract monster...not a happy ghost girl out for a skip.

[@jgarfunkle]

And the dregs of society will look up and say "save me" and I will look down and say "GUH-HUH!!"

[@night1952]

I've played FEAR, ghost little girls are way more dangerous.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@night1952 AFAIK, Alma was never happy.

[@night1952]

@@PR--un4ub fair enough but I'm not risking it.

[@Abdega]

0:13:24 “The Vengeance System” Woolie, I think you just made an anime villain group name

[@Eliwod698]

Either that or the superweapon the villain is planning to use

[@SciontheDark]

Reggie: Are you okay? No Reggie. She is not.

[@blindmessiah255]

44:44 Woolie: The system is not made for gunfights dude. Me, an intellectual: *laughs in Homecoming*

[@at0micl0bster]

Not the same devs, might as well be a different franchise

[@UrobourosZero]

@@at0micl0bster True, but the point is more that classic Silent Hill’s combat system was not great, but it’s still much better than the combat system that was actually made for gunfights in Homecoming. Even in terms of gameplay, I would rather play any of the first 3 Silent Hill games than play Homecoming again, and those 3 have better stories as well.

[@Loonimis]

@@UrobourosZero homecoming was my first silent hill when it came out while I was 18 years old. It seemed like it was window frame of opportunity type of combat which was like legend of Zelda, of course the aiming and moving made the game a bit easy but ultra easy being rewarded the alien raygun with infinite ammo on the second run. I think it’s underrated but I’ve only played it twice since when it came out. The puzzles were missing a lot of charm for sure except a few in the industrial otherworld. The gunfight between James and Eddie in SH2 looks very stupid as the voice acting… I wish this game got a remake.

[@PR--un4ub]

Haughs in Lomecoming.

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

God, that game is fucking trash.

[@Khotgor]

53:00 - The boat segment on Hard is the fucking worse. The controls of the Boat change from being like moving on land to you constantly doing 360 spins on both Left and Right Analog stick just to TRY to both face the direction you are facing and reaching the destination. If you ever wondered why the end screen times you on your boat length, it's because of Hard Mode

[@thepickles8833]

But at what purpose? What reward? The spray can that doesn’t hurt you?

[@Khotgor]

@@thepickles8833 Is said it's the reason. I don't particularly care for the end-game rewards for SH2. SH1/3/4 had better end-game content, and I don't generally care for uber-weapon unlocks in general. SH2's is just terrible.

[@thepickles8833]

@@Khotgor Well, going through the game numerous times seem designed to guide the player to the infamous Dog Ending, or the UFO ending, but that gets frustrating when you fail to unlock the Maria ending like me. So I figured the Spray Can is there to encourage better ratings and in that case, a better weapon to help fly through the game. Usually experienced game devs understand the incentive to reward a player for completing “Kick Me Mode”, so why the Boat Max Speed is there seems implemented for that reason.

[@lurkerinthedarkness]

Woah, the Cyber Ninja just cut off Eddie's hand. I didn't see that coming.

[@SpillyoftheLabyrinth]

Fun fact: In the unmodded version of the game Toluca Lake is misspelled as Toruca Lake on the map.

[@ricardomiles2957]

Classic Japanese shenanigans

[@VadBlackwood]

Crassic*

[@SpillyoftheLabyrinth]

@@VadBlackwood Hey, that's lacist.

[@VadBlackwood]

@@SpillyoftheLabyrinth not solly

[@aussieontherocks99]

RifeRine

[@icarus33911]

Woolie pulled a Homer= to succeed despite idiocy. In that hangman puzzle

[@mortified0]

Neither him or Maximilian understood that puzzle, it was simultaneously hilarious and infuriating both times

[@ZeroCruz_Rider]

And so did Pat back in the day on the LP.

[@SciontheDark]

LPers seem to have a problem with being able to see that there are 2 notes next to eachother. To be fair, the game should change camera angle to focus on both notes or have both notes read at once.

[@at0micl0bster]

@@SciontheDark it focused on it pretty hard when Woolie figured it out after brute forcing it

[@AlainSTO]

I can't believe they did the Hanging Men puzzle the way they did. They failed successfully.

[@at0micl0bster]

Bad programming that lets you “succeed” after pulling the wrong rope

[@Xunkun]

45:13 - Detective Woolie Phelps: Clearly, these men were all killed via soup-spoon.

[@lilium7434]

With all these "There was a hole here, it's gone now" call backs they HAVE to play Silent Hill 4 at some point in their lives.

[@JJMomoida]

God, I hope they do. I feel like, despite not really sticking the landing, SH4 was still a decent game. I really liked the ideas it used.

[@lilium7434]

@@JJMomoida SH4 is personally my favourite game and I'm tired of people not even giving it a chance. It does has its flaws, but as you said it had really good ideas, and it's not like its flaws ruin the entire game or its plot.

[@Ragitsu]

@@lilium7434 It was the first false _Silent Hill_ game.

[@BigPaja]

Wow. No reaction at all to coming out just behind the Historical Society. After going down some super-long starirs, jumping down several holes, going down several floors in an elevator and eventually jumping into Your own grave. You go so far down it's like You're at Hell's level and then You just exit a door and You're only several meters away from where You entered. This part made a great impression on me when I played the game those years ago but no reaction from the boys. Oh weel, I can't have everything.

[@PR--un4ub]

They were still processing Eddie at that point.

[@SteelBallRun1890]

When I played it years ago, I didn't process it as well. When I entered the Historical Society, I thought it was a massive building, (I didn't realize it was just like a small giftshop like building) and Silent Hill was just using that as its creative playground to mess with James, so the moment where I descended more and more from endless labyrinths, long hallways, gaping holes, only to end up in what appears to be some old prison from 100 years ago complete with morgues for what I assumed to be POW's or just straight up criminals was more effective to scaring me than assuming it was all symbolism for James' hell. Like back then, I just assumed the Historical building was built on top of a deep underground prison used for war. So going deeper and deeper in entries that seemed like there's no way back tugs the fear bones.

[@Kladyos]

As directionally challenged as they both are, that doesn't suprise me.

[@formeitsalwayslikethis]

I mean, while they were in they did get really mindblowed, there were some good ass reactions and they didn't miss one thing (except the knocking on the door jumpscare and maybe killing the invisible prisoner) but overall it was great, so I'm happy with that

[@Davies46]

The dog ending isnt the most sensitive to Eddie's plight. Then again i guess it makes sense the Dog wasnt too sympathetic.

[@siefer117]

The Dog is Eddie's Pyramid Head

[@punishedbrak4255]

5:48 There's 14 spaces in the redacted phrase that ends in -om (counting those two as part of the phrase). *If you align and count the letters, only one phrase fits: "Daughters Room."* This game is such a damn masterpiece. And for the record, using the same technique, you see it says "Face-up", not "Face-down": "Face-down" doesn't fit the spaces available.

[@PR--un4ub]

38:34 -> Detectives Woolie and Reggie are on the case.

[@Divine_Allure]

DETECTIVES. ARRIVING. ON THE SCENE.

[@Kernog]

Seeing them piece out the story is very pleasing to see. I remember that I completely breezed through some of these details the first time I played this game (partly because I was scared shitless by this part of the game)

[@jerQCote]

Eddie crying about being discriminated in front of two black guys makes this scene hilarious compared to the Matt and Pat LP

[@ash2crimson968]

They look like black guys to you?

[@Brandon_Powell]

Eddie wasn't crying about being discriminated against in front of two black guys. He was attempting to justify his violent crimes to James by using the fact that he was bullied. What the hell does them being black have to do with anything?

[@demilung]

Certified Westerner Comment

[@Diego92Souza]

My favorite puzzle in the whole franchise, the hangman puzzle is cool (specially on hard) but there's one minor problem, there should be only one big sign, that would clear the confusion that people have in this puzzle. I watched Max, Aris and now Woolie completely miss the second sign, making the puzzle "weird". Still, really cool puzzle.

[@Ragitsu]

"specially" English am good.

[@Brandon_Powell]

36:58 It wasn't. Play Silent Hill 4. 43:42 He's been trying to stick that knife in Eddie ever since he got the damn thing.

[@breaksystembse]

"What the F is that?" "Daddy" I'm choking on horror and laughter at that line delivery

[@PR--un4ub]

_Don't wake Abstract Daddy!_

[@Meitti]

The whole underground Otherworld labyrinth seems like a chaotic mix of the historical places you see in the museum walls. Theres obviously the prison areas, but a lot of the labyrinth flooded areas look like old Wiltse coal mine pathways.

[@brentcrobarger7872]

I am so angry at the hangman puzzle I can't even

[@brentcrobarger7872]

49:00 I must point out Woolie, that you also have taken boss fight levels of bullets. Dude hit you with a Resident Evil Magnum and you walked it off

[@fishyfinaleh]

@St. Haborym Why are you flexing gun nerd knowledge when dude was very clear he was referring to a weapon class known for being powerful in its series.

[@JPGameStuffs]

So, about Angela. Look up "abstract daddy" and look at the design. And keep in mind her room with the pistons in the walls.

[@LtSprinkulz]

Angy pemis

[@PR--un4ub]

_Don't wake Abstract Daddy!_

[@Sprech41]

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[@atdrawn]

Urgh.... the room Angela and Abstract Daddy in is so uncomfortable to look at when you know about Angela's history of sexual abuse. Just looking at those metallic steels pumping in and out of those holes makes me cringe 🥶

[@whiteblacklight9603]

Working as intended.

[@Smeagolthevile]

This is why Silent Hill is so fucked up. James did some shit, Eddie REALLY did some shit. but angela? She doesn’t deserve any of this, she protected herself against a rapist she deserves therapy not silent hill

[@fishyfinaleh]

@@Smeagolthevile I don't think its about what she deserves so much as a hellworld manifestation of her own guilt and trauma

[@BlinJe]

No comment on the fact that there's no keys OTHER than the key for James' old room.. that got me when i first played.

[@ZeroExillerius]

he completely missed the second part of the puzzle, did the wrong solution, and still got it right damn Woolie, you're the GOAT

[@dispnin]

58:13 I just noticed that little bit of foreshadowing. If Mary died of her illness three years ago, would she really have been in a good enough condition to go on vacation in Silent Hill?

[@Loffeleif]

It's gone now

[@whiteblacklight9603]

By the way, according to Ito, Eddie never killed a person. He did kill the dog and injure its owner, but every time you see a dead human near him, that's just a trick. So... who really is the worse out of him and James?

[@joshuareesor1756]

Well, killing the dog is still a terrible thing, as it did nothing wrong to him and accomplished nothing in helping his situation except the death of an innocent creature. James's situation is a lot more grey, with both selfish and compassionate motives behind it, so I would say Eddie is still worse between the two overall.

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@joshuareesor1756 like pretty everyone else in this game. Is kinda hard to blame people who are basically insane.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@joshuareesor1756 Even if he killed a beast, Eddie doesn't deserve death.

[@punishedbrak4255]

James is a killer. Eddie knows it. Eddie is scared; he feels guilty over killing the dog and shooting the owner too. He thinks James is coming to kill him and so fights back, deciding he'd be the one to kill his killer first (being influenced by his own Demons.) It's been stated by Devs Eddie never kills anyone. I love animals and would want to see Eddie locked away for what he did if he was real: but it is nowhere near what James has going on in his head and nowhere near purposefully smothering your wife; ones instantaneous and can't be taken back, the other takes a LONG time to actually work; you can't let up or stop. So James, throughout that entire time, held on, and didn't once stop, let up, or decide what he was doing was wrong.

[@Ragitsu]

@@punishedbrak4255 " I love animals and would want to see Eddie locked away for what he did i" Fuhck off. No one should be locked away for what he did to a beast. You people are the truly disturbed ones.

[@CameronFulbright]

They're getting closer and closer to that hotel room...

[@yellowmattereyecusta]

I've played this game a few times and watched more let's plays and it's only now i notice the meat in Eddie's room is wearing pants.

[@jessicapowers330]

I need to know more about these secret passage hotel rooms at MAGfest

[@frankl5963]

Gunslinger: The Smiling Senshi is a deep pull, goddamn.

[@Sapheiorus]

The title word was "Grenadier", strangely enough, but, yeah, old and deep kind of pull there.

[@frankl5963]

@@Sapheiorus you right

[@shadowrobot7708]

I wish Woolie would just let people tell him about gameplay mechanics like the hunting rifle being stronger than the shotgun.

[@bruddahmangaming]

This is the perfect Halloween playthrough! Hoping you guys go through Silent Hill 4 one day, the game is wild as well!

[@DrRESHES]

51:00 name of the anime is - Grenadier (2004).

[@Xunkun]

34:39 - That fucking porcelain doll-spider boss in the arcade.....

[@GoofballAndi]

RESET THE CLOCK IT HAS BEEN 0 DAYS SINCE A GRENADIER REFERENCE

[@PR--un4ub]

Question: if Angela isn't a SPOILER like someone else, how did _she_ know about James' past? Is it possible that she too stumbled across a relevant newspaper?

[@pious83]

There is a popular theory that James is the only _real_ person in this game. The others, like the monsters, representing different aspects of James' psychosis.

[@ragnar3434]

Silent Hill seems to like telling its tenants about each other. Eddie doesn't seem particularly aware of James or James's whole deal, but I doubt Eddie reads anything he doesn't have to.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@ragnar3434 Yeah...Eddie seems to get that James has his own skeletons in the closet, but he doesn't give him grief over Mary the way Laura, Maria and Angela did.

[@XyerDark]

Different people have different views of Silent Hill, someone like Angela who has experienced severe forms of abuse might see James as someone to be afraid of as well (which I mean, it's kinda what happens when she gives you the knife), so it wouldn't be surprising if in her version of the town she found more information about James than vice versa. Or, she's just projecting since it's implied she also killed her parents, but unlike James she does remember it, or at least figures it out sooner than him.

[@Meitti]

Probably just made an educated guess about the fact he's in the nightmare world with her, implying he's guilty of doing something too. She guesses wrong in the conversation after all, assuming James had a secret lover and he left Mary to die alone. Eddie is pictured as a "dumb" character and he figures it out so its not a stretch Angela does as well. Only one still in deep denial is James himself.

[@silverroddo1468]

Grenadier? I had that box set, it came with a little figure of titular character.

[@SciontheDark]

Hah

[@BuffMcLargeHuge2]

Eddie: "I'll kill anyone who makes fun of me!" James: "this dude is fuckin' CRAZY"

[@Khotgor]

For anyone wondering why some of the bosses are easy in SH2, he is playing on Normal; the bosses change drastically on Hard, even Eddie. Hard mode is still generally a 'cakewalk' for the majority of the game in comparison to the other three (1, 3, 4) SH games, but the special scripted events such as the hospital hallways and some of the bosses are a lot different than what Normal gives you.

[@navarroguard7911]

Hospital hallway is insane on Hard. I dont play on hard anymore because of the stupid difficulty spikes like that

[@shahrouh]

Approaching the endgame now, after going down so many holes...

[@Xunkun]

Also: pre-murdered child executed for sedition, and gangland shootings do not cause excessive bleeding.

[@Khotgor]

1:01:30 - Wow, what knowledge! I wonder how that will impact their venture in future episodes.

[@OrvilleScott]

7:05 Abstract Daddy boss fight

[@BlinJe]

You know what was fucking sick... ... Doing Eddie Phase 1 with the Great Knife lmao. if you time it right, it's a one and done

[@thelaughingrouge]

This episode should have been called "Bumblefuck your way to victory. "

[@Waylander893]

So does Reggie just get paid in lemon water? haha

[@tussletoes]

5:22 there he is. the bofa man

[@punkdallas1646]

21:05 Out of context, my stupid mind went... Woolie doesn't let Reggie live rent-free in his head.(

[@dianatheascian8701]

I wasn't expecting Wooile to know what Etrian Odyssey is

[@Constantine-316]

Question to the Manga readers, have they started playing SH3?

[@morphonight]

not at the moment, but they will get to 3 eventually is what Woolie mentioned on the podcast.

[@Xunkun]

59:25 - ........................ Woolie. I'mma just say..................... You..... youyouyoyou.............. have a, shall we say............. _history,_ in regards to maps and spatial awareness.

[@Brandon_Powell]

57:57 This is my favorite area of the game.

[@StriderWolf]

Woolie, when all this is over and you finish this game you need to watch a video titled Silent Hill 2 - Night at the Hill 2 you wont regret it.

[@ewanherbert3402]

Angela Orochi is Japanese for Angela Anaconda

[@dominicstevens5851]

FoR tHe AlGoRiThM

[@dominicstevens5851]

@KaneMagus why? I'm not writing it over and over. I don't have much to say but I know comments drive the algorithm and help the channel so I try to comment something on every video I watch.

[@ZROSTARS]

Orosco is the last name on the newspaper 🤯

[@PR--un4ub]

Angela Oreo.

[@Cryothia]

Wait how did Woolie’s solution to the criminal puzzle work? Is it because he also pulled on the arsonist’s, even though he pulled on the guilty ones as well?

[@MaskedSongbird]

I think it's because the arsonist rope was the last one he pulled, and only one selection actually counts as a submission as far as the puzzle is concerned.

[@alancalvillo6756]

James: what the

[@PR--un4ub]

My feelings on Eddie are more mixed than I anticipated. On the one hand, Mr. Dombrowski was wrong to kill people based on the slightest of provocations (imagined *or* real) and he absolutely should have been locked away. On the other hand, the man only reached that point after many years of mental deterioration caused by regular torment...and I'd wager a fair amount of that suffering was brought on by thoughtless comments/actions in addition to conscious bullying; in the end, we created our own monster. Still, I feel as though some of Eddie's lines are unexpectedly funny and I can't tell if those deliveries in particular were deliberate (perhaps as a ways of deflating some of the attendant tension?) or if the voice actor unintentionally went a bit _too_ far and the overemphasis wasn't picked up at the time of recording.

[@XyerDark]

According to Masahiro Ito on twitter, Eddie didn't kill anyone, just a dog. Everything else in Silent Hill was delusions.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@XyerDark That corpse in the prison with the chunky stain beneath its head wasn't truly a victim? Eddie imagined killing him?

[@SciontheDark]

@@PR--un4ub correct. Also notice that the corpse is in the painting in the same room. All metaphysical. Maybe they are all like (20 year old game spoilers) Maria.

[@XyerDark]

@@PR--un4ub What we see is always from James' perspective, to him they looked like human bodies (and upon closer inspection, they resemble him a lot), the abstract daddy boss James sees is not what Angela sees as another example. To Eddie, those might be just monsters not unlike what James sees.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@XyerDark Maybe this is true, but, after becoming acquainted with Lucas and Kojima, I'm less than enthusiastic about blindly accepting a creator's word _years_ (decades, even) after their creation has debuted.

[@posteriorpepperoni]

46:32

[@ArRastamon]

Woolie U And Reggie need to play a Walkthrough to Old MGS Games omg It be so Amazing. 🤩

[@mr.e3123]

Woolie's Dead Hooker Count: 6 Lauren Maria x4 Maria

[@iamfishmonger.9548]

Woolie: He had a health bar. So if someone on the streets with a health bar above them walks by Woolie. . . .

[@venomfuryx3250]

What kind of hole?

[@NYGiantsfan1029]

Something not explained in game but while Angela looks to be in her 30s she is actually 19

[@Ragitsu]

She doesn't look to be in her thirties.

[@tri3s4life]

Innocence or guilt doesn't matter to Cop Apologist Woolie!

[@Kladyos]

"Innocence and guilt are just chemicals in the brain." - Woolie "Traitor to Humanity" Madden

[@punishedbrak4255]

@@Kladyos I'm not guilty of stealing your money; thats just, like, chemicals in your brain, man.

[@XoftheTITANS]

Me: but i dont want to kill Eddie Eddie: i killed a dog and enjoyed it Me: so I started blasting

[@PR--un4ub]

It is disturbing how some people place the life of a beast over that of a human being.

[@XoftheTITANS]

@@PR--un4ub well, given that the latter will do more disturbing things to you than an animal.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@XoftheTITANS You conveniently neglect to mention the other side of the coin.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@XoftheTITANS By the way, if you value beasts over your fellow _homo sapiens_ , then ask a beast to... ...fix your computer. ...fix your internet connection. ...donate a kidney. ...help you with your taxes. ...compose a song. ...provide you with psychiatric therapy. ...cook you a meal. ...wash your underwear. ...and so on and so forth.

[@XoftheTITANS]

@@PR--un4ub done, primates are intelligent

[@27TheMunchkin]

i remember seeing a comment on 1 of the previous videos abt how, bc of what the enemies represent, James goes the entire game basically just killing women. The one time we see him react to it in the first enemy encounter (with the Lying Figure in the alley) is the cutscene after you kill them: James is purely disgusted. Because what he sees is a monster. the one time he feels genuinely remorseful for stamping out life? when he kill Eddie - a man. he even remarks, crestfallen, "a *human being*" bc all he's seen thus far are monsters. but why is that all he's seen? well, bc thats how he sees women. a big part of the reasoning that led to the decision he made that landed him here has to do not just w his relationship to a certain woman, but his view of all women (this is reflected explicitly w the design of the nurses & Maria's presence). that particular line is ESPECIALLY chilling when you think about it in the context of the Maria ending. its really funny ppl do all these articles n essays about how to have more "progressive" games that critique regressive ideologies; we now have a bunch of games take whatever the is subject as a mallet to the player & lose them completely in the process. yet 2 decades ago we have what is by far the most subtle yet most damning take down of misogyny i've ever seen in a game, it still hasn't been topped. they just don't make em like this no more man.

[@slifer875]

cute comment but it falls apart the momment you realise james gave no fucks about killing the daddy monster, who he saw as a monster despite being male.

[@27TheMunchkin]

@@slifer875 The daddy monster is technically male AND female - the model is of a man "embracing" a woman. The model in in the hotel is different but still hold true to the theme, since its a man smothering a woman death.

[@ricardomiles2957]

It's obvious that James has suppressed sexual desires and seemed to like Mary more because she was a beautiful woman than anything else but It doesn't seems like he hates women like that

[@punishedbrak4255]

- It's been my long standing head-theory that Laura's not a little girl at all. She's an adult/young adult, but she's actually *innocent,* contrary to everyone else we see in SH2 save for Mary. I've been in a lot of Hospitals, ICUs, and too many Cancer Centers; they don't keep children and adults around each other the way everyone seems to assume they do in order for Laura and Mary to have had any kind of friendship develop in the Treatment Center/Hospital. Mary had a "debilitating disease" - how would she have even met a random little girl in treatment? James doesn't remember her, either; it could be that James never met her, or simply had no care for her, as he was ignoring Mary's situation because of the Misery it brought him. I think that he's only Perceiving her as a little kid; something he's not familiar with but that he has an innate sense to try to protect, however misguided it may be through SHs distorted lens. It's the only thing that's ever made sense to me with the line "Huh? Are you blind or somethin?" After James asks why a *little girl* was on her own in the middle of town. (James's emphasis, not mine, on "little girl") It makes sense to me while fitting with the thematics of the game; it's also just as possible there's other people around, too, who aren't trapped in the personal Misery that SH solidifies and leads you to confront; Laura is half-in and half-out of her own depressing experiences and reflections due to her illness and her connections with Mary and James, but she's not lived enough/is old enough to have any real "Demons" or personal issues. That's why she can be seen by James in his world, but cannot see what he sees. That's really why SH2 stands as such a classic even to this day; it's ambiguous, but impactful; it never feels "artsy" for pretensions sake or "complex" for complexities sake. It's truly open to interpretation while still being a legitimately impactful and powerful Story.

[@Ragitsu]

She's a little girl; this game isn't that complex.

[@scrublord7922]

Junji Ito style lmao nooooo

[@PR--un4ub]

I find it disturbing how they (or Woolie, at least) didn't want to kill Eddie, BUT...the second they learned he killed a beast, they wanted his blood.

[@PR--un4ub]

This "enhanced edition" of _Silent Hill 2_ failed to display the nooses round the corpses' necks. Oops!

[@touchingisjustthefirststep]

They're always floating like that in any of the versions.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@touchingisjustthefirststep Is that true? Huh.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@touchingisjustthefirststep In all fairness to myself, I have the most experience with the original release on smallish CRT televisions...long ago. My mind apparently "filled in the blanks".

[@MrAST834]

yup, never was there ropes

[@Abdega]

There was a rope here It’s gone now

[@szeltovivarsydroxan9944]

It's always so infuriating watching SH2 LP's where the people always assume it's the order of the crimes, not which one was innocent. It's right there if you actually pay attention to the text that you read. The arsonist wasn't found, the sheriff just took in a stranger, just because he didn't know him. How do you not catch that when you read it?!

[@Painocus]

Because there is no reason to suspect that innocence has anything to do with it unless you actually read the other sign?

[@Xunkun]

"hey james guess what he's gone he's gooooooooooone look at him james a once gentle boy now toting a gun and playing god why, it's safe to say that he's lost his mind why, I think it's safe to say that the poor little murdering boy wants to be put out of his misery after all isn't that why our dear little p̷̗̲̻͗s̴̗̹̲̒̉͆y̵̦̋̕c̶͍̠͈̆͐ḣ̶̺͚̍ǫ̵̺̀͗p̵̧̲̫̾ā̶̯͉̠̄ẗ̷̨́͝h̵͕͍͌ is here? come now sunderland, why don't you do the poor boy a favor? come on the child is *begging* for it can't you see the poor thing's in pain? so come on do it kill it set it free" ~K.K., CSH2:RD

[@punishedbrak4255]

What