No Combat Allowed | Silent Hill 2 (14)

[@PR--un4ub]

Certain folks may be of the opinion that Woolie was overthinking the elevator "puzzle", but _I_ believe the "placing down your *true* burden" solution would have been an interesting way to reward observant/empathetic players.

[@cashcash5353]

Yeah! it would be really great if both options were possible solutions, so storing the photo wouldn't be the only means of progress but the players who did store it would be rewarded by not losing their equipment

[@ChrisMerkelStudios]

Or it could even nudge you towards a different ending, depending on whether you decided to put down Mary's photo or all your weapons and healing items. Put down the photo to nudge it toward "Leave" (shows James is able to "move on" from Mary, even symbolically), the weapons and healing items to nudge it toward "In Water" (shows James is unable to move on, to the point of being self-destructive).

[@PR--un4ub]

@@ChrisMerkelStudios Your suggestion is close to my thought process.

[@TheSlammurai]

@@ChrisMerkelStudios And putting down the knife takes points away from the In Water ending

[@shadowrobot7708]

@@TheSlammurai Maybe have it be you have to put the knife down or the photo down.

[@kelsonm2627]

"This was probably the heaviest thing we're holding" That is exactly what I thought the first time.

[@pliskin101]

I love them getting all confused and scared with random sounds. The atmosphere of this game is brilliant.

[@RazorFringe2]

That cookie convo shows how Reggie is a true man of the people, and our champion

[@PR--un4ub]

I remember someone immediately backing out of the elevator and then firing their shotgun *into* the elevator because they were utterly convinced an invisible _something_ (a monster?) was in there.

[@Whienzarth]

They prob played MGS1 beforehand as there is a very similar situation in that gamr

[@at0micl0bster]

@@Whienzarth LOOKOUT SNAKE!!

[@formeitsalwayslikethis]

well, that wouldn't be that crazy cause there's already an invisible creature in the game wich you can attack

[@LtSprinkulz]

Tbh that would be an amazing solution to that puzzle. It would fit with James's torment as well.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@LtSprinkulz Shooting an invisible threat?

[@steffanofumo]

This game sound design is amazing, it just keeps on giving, not only I’ve beat this game multiple times I also watched multiple playthrough and never heard Maria calling out James randomly by that grate.

[@ChrisMerkelStudios]

I know throwing logic to the wind is par for the course for Silent Hill games, but an employee elevator (whose whole purpose is to transport stuff like food service trays and housekeeping carts) that has a maximum weight capacity of exactly one average adult male and NOTHING ELSE is just ridiculously inefficient. No wonder Silent Hill failed as a resort town.

[@Khotgor]

Only one person is allowed on the elevator. Silent Hill logic dictates this in the literal sense, nothing else allowed. Remember that there was a magical grandfather clock that was unable to move unless you moved a bunch of fingers in the right position in an apartment building. And there is a piano that causes a silver coin to drop if you press the correct keys. And a bathroom that causes you to warp from the first floor to the second floor... and, later on, a bunch of doors that will be warping all over the place

[@ChrisMerkelStudios]

@@Khotgor I mean, those last two examples literally take place in a nonsense hell dimension, and the first two aren't particularly unrealistic (a grandfather clock bolted to the floor by retractable pegs that are withdrawn when the clock is set to a specific time and, with some more complex wiring, a piano serving as a "keypad" for a wall-mounted display case are things that could feasibly exist in the real world). I'm just saying, in terms of purpose, the puzzle is a case of mixed messaging. If you want the player to feel helpless, there's no reason to offload items that give them no puzzle or combat advantage (like Mary's photo or letter), and if you're going for a symbolic angle, showing James thought of Mary as a "burden", there's no reason to offload items that have nothing to do with Mary (like weapons or the radio). If the Hotel were in James' Otherworld (like the Hospital or Prison), this would be fine, because nobody expects puzzles to make any semblance of sense there. In the Fog World, it just seems silly.

[@BareBandSubscription]

Silent Hill is doing everything it can to torture James. I don’t find an elevator to be the point of no return for that.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@Khotgor If we're being literal about this situation, then James should have to strip down to his birthday suit.

[@Khotgor]

@@PR--un4ub I'd be down for it. Have James be on the spotlight with a bunch of Mannequins waiting to ambush him with his massive abs and heart tattoo exposed

[@MiniatureRanni]

I love Woolie. I love this series. Him trying to get back to the cupboard with his stuff is maybe the most frustrating thing I've ever seen.

[@ragnar3434]

In hard mode you also have to take off your pants to get on the elevator and then pyramid head shows up and laughs at you.

[@madhatt3r93]

I've heard there's a one in a thousand event where Pyramid Head pantses you too

[@SpillyoftheLabyrinth]

Fun fact: The canned light bulbs are a reference to Něco z Alenky, a Czech film loosely based on Alice in Wonderland.

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

I have wondered what that was even about, thanks for the trivia...

[@BareBandSubscription]

Wow, I never knew that. Nice one, dude.

[@flux_casey]

Not loosely based. It is Alice in Wonderland. Only it has a similarly unsettling tone, imagery and sound design as Silent Hill 2. You can tell there's some influence there. It's just called "Alice" in English speaking markets.

[@Abdega]

26:20 I’m with Reggie on this one Food waste is a problem

[@k96man]

Pyramid Head: heard you were wasting cookies

[@Brandon_Powell]

9:22 I love how everyone always gets both of the elevator sequences in Metal Gear Solid mixed up.

[@FullCircleTZ]

Easily one of the best moments in the whole game in the first minute of this video lol

[@SeanCrosser]

Yo wtf

[@bargaintuesday812]

If you think chicken in a can is weird, wait until you see the cheeseburger in a can. Complete with bun.

[@PlaskiJakDeska]

A fellow Ashen fan, I see

[@silverroddo1468]

“Nobody cares about AURORA because WHO CARES! You’re looking at me like you don’t know who she is-she’s Sleeping Beauty.” -Pat, from that one time

[@flyinggeneral]

When they got the Little Mermaid, I immediately thought of Pat's tirade about the Disney princesses.

[@SaintofQuartz]

Someone please identify the video or podcast this happens in

[@flyinggeneral]

@@SaintofQuartz I believe it was episode 11 of the SBFC.

[@Bobbytries]

Woolie goes through the TSA.

[@PR--un4ub]

At least Silent Hill won't try to cop a feel.

[@mud2294]

I love these 2 getting spooked at the random noises in this game... Still sad that they missed the bathroom jumpscare

[@27TheMunchkin]

theres always the one in 3!

[@PlaskiJakDeska]

What was the bathroom scare?

[@mud2294]

@@PlaskiJakDeska in a bathroom at the hospital, there is a stall that is closed. You knock 3 times and it knocks back. Then, everytime you knock again there will be no answer but when you try to leave the jumpscare hits. is a very good one, sad they missed since Woolie just knocked once and left

[@PlaskiJakDeska]

@@mud2294 I see. And what happens exactly? A scream? Or something jumps at the player?

[@aussieontherocks99]

@@mud2294 That was the prison, not the hospital.

[@27TheMunchkin]

That bit a lil after 20:40 might be the best one I've heard btwn Woolie & someone else post bestfriends. I could see it so vividly in my mind. If this was 5 or so yrs ago it probly woulda got animated lol.

[@PR--un4ub]

8:53 -> Five years were taken off of Reggie's lifespan.

[@KMS2K]

Woolie struggling to find his way back to the room with his items and then missing the one door he needed to check is triggering me.

[@PR--un4ub]

Hopefully, James never has to open a locked door in the dark; he seems incapable of using one hand to feel the lock and the other to insert a key.

[@ricardomiles2957]

I had plenty of experiences in doing things in the dark and I can attest, trying to put things in tiny holes is near impossible even when you are used to your surroundings.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@ricardomiles2957 Tiny holes, you say?

[@ricardomiles2957]

@@PR--un4ub hey I know how that sounded but I'm about to pass out here to be detailed. But yeah once I tried to plug my TV on the outlet but was too lazy to turn on the lights leading on to me being a idiot for 15 minutes.

[@TomatoAbe]

@@ricardomiles2957 In my experience it’s always easy until you *really* need it to be, then you’re fucked.

[@Ragitsu]

James lacks much common sense.

[@PR--un4ub]

0:59 -> Woolie's underwear is officially ruined.

[@SinnerBeta]

They're almost there, can't wait for them to watch the tape.

[@coolduder1001]

12:10 We're gonna be here a while. 40:05 Guys it's not that complicated.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

Woolie clearly doesn't know how to read maps, lol.

[@Dookie5495]

@@blackdragoncyrus or how he checked all the doors in the room on the 2nd floor but the one he needed

[@Brandon_Powell]

0:56 In the HD collection, this plays way too loud. It sounds like she's standing right next to you. You're supposed to only faintly hear it. It completely ruins the effect. But that's basically par for the course with the HD collection.

[@Loffeleif]

I hate that I have to actively warn new people against going for what should be the superior version

[@Brandon_Powell]

@@Loffeleif Yeah. Especially when it's the most accessible version for people who don't play on pc. The video game industry really needs to get better about preservation.

[@blackdragoncyrus]

The "HD Collection" ruined tons of shit, from audio glitches to textures. The mouths on where Maria's eyes should be speaks volumes, pun intended.

[@Brandon_Powell]

@@blackdragoncyrus I love how Tom Hewlett and Hijinx Games used the fact that they lost the source code as an excuse and then Bluepoint Games came out and said that they don't even use the source code when they remaster games. They just get the data from the disc.

[@Khotgor]

Damn you Tomm!!!!

[@Xunkun]

38:22 - WHY would you check those bathroom doors AGAIN, for a THIRD time, when you JUST _re-confirmed on the map_ that they were BROKEN?!

[@PlaskiJakDeska]

I said it before and I'll say it again. I suspect that Woolie genuinely has some kind of learning disability. He keeps forgetting basic mechanics of games he plays, he has troubles reading the map, and he often mistakes left and right. I'm not saying this to be cheeky.

[@nothingineternityterms]

@@PlaskiJakDeska That's pretty insulting to someone who is streaming themselves and talking while playing a video game for the first time. Some of you commenters are fucked up

[@dispnin]

oh man, watching woolie get super confused about how to get his stuff back is PAINFUL

[@EionBlue]

Ah, Woolie's directions impairment strikes again.

[@train9703]

Why do I hear Pat's voice going "Woolie, Woolie, Woolie..." at the elevator part?

[@Xunkun]

26:10 - Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh, so _that's_ where left the cookies.

[@JackButcherr]

Whenever Woolz overthinks a puzzle I imagine the Stranger Things theme playing in the background as calculations and complex math equations shoot out of his head.

[@flyinggeneral]

In case these two guys get lost in the forest, I hope Reggie is in-charge of the map.

[@PR--un4ub]

Is the game being generous by removing the mannequins outside the room...or is it purposefully denying the player a bit of catharsis?

[@PR--un4ub]

"The counter." _almost_ rivals "Bible".

[@blackdragoncyrus]

You can actually bring the photo with you on the lift.

[@agsiar]

33:00 "[Chicken in a can] is the weirdest thing!" says man that lives in a country where milk comes in bags.

[@neodragonwyvern]

i mean when you think about it....some of our milks come in cardboard boxes lol

[@agsiar]

@@neodragonwyvern lol I know. I'm not shitting on our Boar Lord Reggarth, just pointing out that thing for funsies.

[@Brandon_Powell]

49:25 I have this as my best friend's ringtone.

[@Xunkun]

40:00 - Jesus 42:20 - Fucking 47:14 - Christ.

[@planguy9575]

I like the idea of having to divest yourself of earthly possessions while you go on a pilgrimage. It's like James is going on a spiritual journey.

[@TheSlammurai]

"The guys who stole my stealth prototypes are in there with you!"

[@silverroddo1468]

Sweet, James is gonna watch the “Silent Hill” movie on vhs?!

[@Brandon_Powell]

I imagine his reaction would be the same either way.

[@silverroddo1468]

@@Brandon_Powell daaaamn~ you’re right

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

@@Brandon_Powell Upset at potential being wasted. I feel like they could've nailed it if they spent a bit more time researching the game. Claiming a man searching for his daughter isn't masculine falls apart when you realize this dude is willing to shoot a god in the face for his daughter

[@Brandon_Powell]

@@TAMAMO-VIRUS Well considering the fact that he is making a new Silent Hill movie maybe he'll have learned his lesson.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@Brandon_Powell "I imagine his reaction would be the same either way." An oldie but goodie.

[@PatchtheReaper99]

Responsible Buyer Reggie says: "Buy food at the portions you know you're going to eat. It's a waste to buy big packs and let them go to waste." Pie Theif Woolie says: "Go big, let that bitch ROT"

[@Lunar_Sovereign]

Woolie "I eat expired food all the time" Madden

[@davidstanton5587]

You look at angelas knive Mary's picture and letter to get the water ending....also get the rebirth ending by collecting the ointment, goblet and crimson ceremony and the folklore book at garage.... the Maria ending you get by protecting her and staying close to her ...you kinda get a clue at the hospital in how to get endings ...plus if you complete the riddles on every level starting from the easy working up to hard,the next time you choose hard you get new riddles this comes up as extreme on the save menu on HD PS3 version ....

[@Meitti]

The light bulbs in a can is a reference to Svankmajers surrealistic animation films, Alice in Wonderland in particular. Darkness Light Darkness is my favorite, creepy but also funny claymation short.

[@ATrueOttoman]

Woolie being unable to read a map for ten minutes is peak Woolie, never change.

[@daviejay]

Thinking about how to build a music box to play that song it'd be the larger than a grandfather clock, and have several huge disks spinning inside. 🤔 Can't imagine the gear work even.

[@johnoneil9188]

But it in fact would be very metal.

[@Xunkun]

42:39 - Oh! I didn't know the monsters had Friendly Fire.

[@Loffeleif]

Can't believe Konami didn't add fist movesets for this section.

[@99sins]

Can't believe James didn't get Gilgamesh/Beowulf bestowed upon him in this section.

[@BareBandSubscription]

They seriously butchered the combat system. Now you can just juggle enemies in place with your massive pistols. The total abandonment of the style meter and combo system was also a huge misstep. I will say that James’ design in this game is super-badass, and Maria’s kinda cool. I wish they’d bring her back in a proper sequel. Anyway, so glad they rebounded with SH3. Royal Guarding Memories of Alessa is where the series peaked for me.

[@Loffeleif]

@@BareBandSubscription Melee fans really hated the removal of wavedashing and L-canceling from the Silent Hill franchise

[@BareBandSubscription]

@@Loffeleif I know, but SH4 brought the hype by FINALLY bringing Walter Sullivan to the fight, and it had its own mechanics that are worthy of a competitive scene. Honestly, I think most of the advanced tech in Silent Hill 1 Melee are just glorified exploits. The frame data is too precise for such basic actions. I respect it, but come on. SH4 had Banjo.

[@Zagardal]

I hope Woolie never has to find his way in the wild, his map skills need work.

[@TomatoAbe]

Ah yes, the ‘Gunstar Heroes’ Curry and Rice section

[@jellyfishtrifle7883]

Seems like a relevant time as any to ask the comments, what's your preference on combat VS non combat horror games? Do you like zero weapons like Outlast? Do you prefer lots of ammo like Silent Hill? Or a middle ground like alien isolation in where you get weapons but it's only ever a temporary solution?

[@Khotgor]

I don't generally care for weaponless horror games, because those games are usually just walking/running simulators in most cases without too much depth.

[@night1952]

Fighting backs is way more scary, in those walking sims you barely even see the enemies and they usually are absolute jokes.

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

A middle ground is nice. Have some enemies you can deal with, while having something that you can't deal with or at least would require almost all of your resources to handle

[@PR--un4ub]

The Resident Evil REmake was perfect in that regard: your character was skilled at combat, but supplies were scarce.

[@terrinater]

I'm sure people have a name for the sub genre that outlast falls under, I call it Walking Horror. I think they're ok in small doses. Enemies chasing you can be scary, but it gets annoying when they kill you 5 or 6 times while you're trying to figure out where the game wants you to go. That said, action horrors tend to go overboard by the end of the game and almost lose any trace of horror. I prefer a balance. I like to fight but never feel strong.

[@Ether101_Prime]

I think that's the first time I've ever herd the "James." bit at 1:40 does anyone know if there's more audio there or if it triggers only on exist?

[@Dralkkin]

It's just "James". As for the trigger, I'm not sure anymore. I thought it always played on your first time leaving the stairwell, but this video seems to indicate that's not the case.

[@Ether101_Prime]

@@Dralkkin Cool, wasn't really sure if I get a reply watching the LP at this point at lest not this soon. Thanks.

[@Dralkkin]

@@Ether101_Prime No problem. I'm also catching up on this LP late lol.

[@BaneKeldare]

Today I suggest that Woolie temporarily change his channel name to WooliePLZ

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

Woolie, the hotel layout isn't that complicated. You shouldn't need to check the map every few seconds.

[@morbidabyss12]

Delicious delicious lightbulb beans Enlighten your brain

[@kpr4225]

Reggie wants to steal all of the expired cookies, I know it

[@GreenC]

man this game really shows the blindness and stupidity of Woolie, also easy to get panick into chaos and not know where he suppose to go

[@silverroddo1468]

Okay, someone gif that Nope moment at 27:55. 😂

[@ApocApocrypha]

With how long and how hard it was to go back to the locker, I'm pretty sure Woolie was considered for the role of Zoro in the One Piece live action show.

[@ryanmalinowski7529]

Hype again!!

[@99jmaster]

What city are they talking about with the chicken falling out of the can?

[@XyerDark]

I know a comment on a previous video said Woolie wasn't going to do 3 or the other games yet, but is he gonna do Born from a Wish?

[@Brandon_Powell]

Yes. I watched him play it on twitch. I think those videos are still archived so you could watch them now if you went over to his twitch channel.

[@terrinater]

I know Woolie is usually afraid of missing content, but he's bordering paranoia. Pat has to have told him something...

[@dominicstevens5851]

FoR tHe AlGoRiThM

[@dominicstevens5851]

@KaneMagus again with this. Do you have a legit reason or does this infuriate you beyond that? I'm just trying to support the channel. Don't be a dick.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@dominicstevens5851 _Silent Hill 2_ fans have a touchy streak.

[@dominicstevens5851]

@@PR--un4ub it's like these 1 or 2 people that get butthurt about it. I don't get it. I'm not hawking a snapchat or some nonsense, I listen to these while I work or whatever so I comment and like when the video starts then keep doing whatever I'm doing. Somehow that constitutes spam, I guess.

[@Sercotani]

I think he's not even being butthurt, he's just playing along with you

[@PR--un4ub]

@@Sercotani Spokesman?

[@Xunkun]

1:15 - I don't think I ever got that!

[@LtSprinkulz]

OH MY GOD THEY KNOW THE MILEY CHICKEN CAN BUTT GIF!

[@horchatabomb5232]

Is there a reason he doesn't heal fully? Is it for an ending? Love the vids just curious

[@TAMAMO-VIRUS]

He over used his healing in the first game, and wanted to min-max better in this game. Which is funny since this game gives you ton of healing to always be at full health for one of the endings

[@PR--un4ub]

@@TAMAMO-VIRUS People like to call _Silent Hill 2_ "scary' or "the scariest", but you can end the game with a combined total of nearly five-hundred rounds of ammunition and quite a few healing items to boot. This game is depressing and quietly unsettling if anything.

[@A_Common_Tit]

It's for an ending.

[@fluidthought42]

@@PR--un4ub Unsettling and disquieting are better descriptors, but those are still aspects of horror. If you have horror that isn't unsettling, then it is considered a lesser sort of horror.

[@PR--un4ub]

@@fluidthought42 "horror-lite", then. In any case, it remains far from "the scariest".

[@Xunkun]

Damn, I had to actually look it up-- since both Snow White and Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) don't get levels in Kingdom Hearts (I didn't play Birth By Sleep), since in _both_ they get poisoned and put in a coma (ie; 'death')