7MM PRC Compared to Other 7MM's

Is the 7mm PRC cartridge the ideal 7mm? Randy dispels the hype.
Randy tells why the claims are overblown. Please don’t cherry pick. Listen to the entire video, so you understand where he is coming from.
Randy mentions information from Hornady’s own site about how BC’s are variable and not consistent and this needs to be factored into any of the information.
From Hornady site [link was so long it wouldn't post correctly, look up "Hornady ballistic coefficient" to get the information, below, and more:
The Ballistic Coefficient
Before discussing this topic in more detail, let's dispel some myths surrounding it. Whatever you may have heard before, these are the facts:
There is no such thing as an absolute and invariable ballistic coefficient (B. C.)
Ballistic coefficients are only one factor in bullet selection for different kinds of shooting.
A ballistic coefficient can change with reference to (1) altitude, (2) temperature, (3) atmospheric pressure, and (4) relative humidity.
Ballistic coefficients are measures of a bullet's relative efficiency.
Ballistic coefficients are not measures of a bullet's "goodness."
Higher B.C.s do not necessarily make a bullet "better."
Lower B.C.s do not necessarily make a bullet "worse."
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[@JourneyJackson1]

Shooting at game at over 600 yards is unethical, even with today's high BC bullets. Years ago I shot a spike elk at 670+ yards using a very high BC bullet. These bullets left the barrel at a chronographed 3,300 feet per second out of my 300 RUM. While approaching the spike noticed the animal had gotten up and walked away. Were it no for my spotter the elk would have disappeared. A 1/2 mile later I was LUCKY to find a the spike piled up on a sheep trail. Upon dressing the animal I noticed the entry wound and exit wound were identical with very little blood loss. Proper bullet expansion rarely happens after 600 yards.

[@kesleycottrell1416]

I built my Granddaughter a 7MM-08 a few years ago. It's an awesome deer rifle.

[@curtallsup3581]

Thanks Randy for sharing your wisdom. If my 280 Ackley Improved with 160 grain nosler partitions won't kill it, then I just won't hunt it.

[@timtorkelson7201]

They can say what yhey want? But to me a Nosler Partition round is lethal and hard to beat IMO!

[@joshsinglefooter]

Thats understandable. You don't need a car with A/C either. You just want one.

[@johnpjonesch]

Off topic but the 300 H&H you built for me is still my most accurate rifle I have and the barrel is still holding up and I'm going on 1500 rounds down it. It is now 16 years old.

[@sha6mm]

It is also my favorite as well.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Good to hear from you and that it is doing so well for you!

[@joseywales8257]

​@@TheRealGunsmithCan you rechamber a Savage 99 from 250-3000 to a Grendel ? Simple yes or no? I'm already aware of 22-250, don't want that if the Grendel is possible

[@benkeachy]

I just listened to Hornady podcast on the 7mmprc. They don't claim faster fps than the 26nosler. They claim about 100 fps slower but around 30% less recoil, shorter barrels, and longer barrel life. That's a tradeoff I'd make any day.

[@moneyx3232]

That is not true. The real difference is around 200 fps.

[@Timberdam]

More recoil! Watch someone shoot or shoot yourself!! You"ll see!! Not a magic wand... No free lunches

[@codyoldford1592]

I listened to and read a bunch of articles. Maybe this guns and ammo article made false claims but everything else i watched or read claimed lower (realistic) velocities on the 7mm PRC.

[@briansupermag3918]

In a properly built 7mmRM it easily out paces the 7prc. It's just the more modern case which is great but it won't beat a well built 7 RM

[@billsoule3851]

Your comment said 26 Nosler. I’m assuming you meant 28 Nosler.

[@davidderoode7691]

You are a very experienced gunsmith. For the common person we don't want to have custom rifles and your special knowledge. But with a PRC we can buy some that isn't wildcat and not have do all the work and get similar performance.

[@gonzob9609]

This!

[@bayoumike544]

Most of the new calibers today are like fishing lures. Quite a few years back I heard that fishing lures were not designed to catch fish they were designed to catch fisherman. I feel many of the new cartridges' today are the same way. Your mileage may vary.

[@larrysayers1377]

Glad I found this channel. Very informative and practical. I used the Hornady ELDX in 7mm-08 150gr on a midsize buck here in Alberta a couple seasons ago. Took 2 shots at 100yds. I’ve never used them again. I have a pair of Tikka T3xs in 270 and 7 Rem. I shoot heavy for caliber bullets and use 150gr in 270. Either Partitions or Interlocks. Never had a problem. For the 7 Rem I use 175gr Partitions or Interlocks. Mostly Partitions. I get just at 2900fps but they shoot and perform so well on deer, moose, black bear and elk that I’ve never really looked at trying anything else. I do check out various factory loads in other bullets but I tend to go back to what is proven and works for me. I watch Ron Spomer and who now features Joseph Von Benedikt. Both of them, it seems to me , expound BC more than anything else. They say they don’t condone long range shooting (500yds or more) but still provide ballistics tables to 1000yds on a number of cartridges being presented. However I’ve seen comparisons where sectional density was not spoken about or not regarded. I think this is where the difference is when gun writers are promoting the current fad because that is what keeps the lights on as opposed to Mr Selby and other gun makers who are not bridled by sponsors, magazine editors or corporations.

[@albertlemont5471]

I must concur with your statement on the Hornady interlock vs the eldx. I took a moose with a 300wm and a 180 interlock at 3000fps. One shot to the frontal chest and done. Performed perfectly. Too many bad results on the eldx on smaller game.

[@warrengreen3217]

The SST got same lock ring as the interlock bullet I use both with great preference

[@danielbutler8292]

Agree 100% on the bullets Randy! Ive been shooting the interlocks for years. Great bullets. The ELDx is nothing but a target bullet! Inside 600 yards. BC means nothing!

[@matthewkyle6939]

Lol, you think interlocks are any better lmao.

[@johnfaulkner4067]

I think the 7mm Rem Mag is the ideal big game cartridge for big game hunting. The other aspect often over looked is recoil. Big energies at extended ranges from big magnums look great on paper, but you have to pay the price for those, and it's paid in recoil. Yes, you can use a muzzle brake, and the price then changes to muzzle blast and an ear piercing crack of the shot. No free lunch. Les Bowman observed most of his clients couldn't handle the 300s, but showed a great improvement in their shooting when they shot a 7mm Remington Magnum. I tend to think this is just as true today as it was then. I'll stick with the 7mm Rem Mag for everything in North America. I love hearing about the history of this round from Mr. Selby, as well as all facets of hunting knowledge he provides to us. Thank you sir, and a Merry Christmas to you and your family!

[@vpsaline]

Not a big trade off to step up to 300 win mag IMO

[@EndoftheBlock7224]

I have several 7mm mags . The 7mm mag has been my favorite heavy hitter since 1995.

[@davidfornkahl8374]

Well said, sir!

[@Honkers716]

The 7mm-08 is 40% less powder and 9% less velocity. The 7mm-08 is way more efficient then a 7mm rem mag. And also 10 ft lbs less recoil compared to the 7mm rem mag. 7mm-08 is a better choice over a 7mm rem mag

[@fisherus]

The 7mmRemMag has been my favorite caliber and still is although, I might change my mind if I can ever get components to load for my new 7mmPRC. I have sold or passed down almost a hundred firearms over the past few years as my health plummets and my age increases. This new one might just be a "Safe Queen" if I can't find some components before this coming fall as I am selling my farm/ranch next year. This is the only place left I am physically able to hunt elk and deer safely at my age because I outlived all of my friends and don't have anyone to hunt with anymore.

[@fisherus]

I don't think that the 7PRC was intended to replace or beat the speeds of the "hot" .284 caliber guns like the 28 Nosler, 7RUM or 7STW, nor have I ever seen anything that said it was faster? It does, however, make a top notch 7mm caliber rifle, especially for both, the reloader and the guy who buys bullets off of the shelf. Had the 7mmRemMag not had the rim on the case, it would have been the perfect 7mm for the reloader.

[@timothycoupe2738]

I watched a couple of Randy's vids with my Two young lads today, it was throwing it down with rain, so we couldn't go shooting, my 12 yr old said, 'wow' isn't he knowledgeable, I smiled and replied yep, they both want to watch more and learn, and so do I 👌

[@Vintage-406]

I’ve put some thought into this, and I say this as a current 7mm PRC owner. I was building a custom hunting/ long range/ whatever rifle in a long action. It was originally gonna be a 28 nosler but I called the barrel maker when the 7prc came out and had it switched after I listened to a few podcasts and videos about how great it is. changed my order because time/components for reloading are hard to come by and I have found that the hornady cartridges are rather easy to reload for and quick to find an acceptable load. Blah blah blah. I remember seeing this video and thinking. “Damn! The real gunsmith is real sour about this new PRC cartridge!” 😂… we’ll as I now have it, shot it, tested it and have my data here are my findings…. Can’t find brass for it, you gotta buy the hornady ammo. Shoot it and then you have hornady brass… I was getting 2860 out of the 175 eldX from Their factory ammo and they show 3050 on the box… yes I’m aware all rifles are different. And Ya I’m shooting in an area where it’s cold about 23degrees and out of 24” barrel…. I have done my tests and checked out 4831 and H1000 and settled on H1000. I’m shooting 180 Berger VLD hunting and loading over max and I’m getting 2960. Great standard deviation of 2.8fps and the rifle shoots it under 1” @ 200. Not setting any records but it’s performing well so far. the speed and accuracy says more about the load and the rifle than it does about the cartridge…. Couple gripes tho. 1. Hornady brass is soft and you have to shoot the ammo to get brass. 2. You can’t even load it out very far because you won’t have proper bullet contact with the neck. Where they have it, is about as far out as a guy can go. All the prc/creedmoor cartridges do this. (Barely need a long action.) 3. Not as fast as they say it is. They neutered the potential and made it JUUUST long enough where you can’t get use it in a medium length action. They should’ve made the case longer so it fills up magazine box when loaded long and actually utilize the need for what long action. 4. I have a 300WSM that shoots lights out with a 185 Berger VLD hunting bullet. @2960 and I’m shooting 2grns under max. 😂. So other than having a new rifle not much need for it. Now the things I like. 1. Relatively easy to reload for. Under 100 rounds to find .5 MOA load 2. Lighter recoil but I also have a break on it. Proceed at your own risk.

[@gesheepistemology8050]

Are you gay/happy?

[@christopherwilliams8737]

This guy sis seriously butt hurt, but more about the writer of an article than the PRC. What Hornady did with the PRC is make excellent ammo off the shelf that you do not need to to be an expert reloader or smith to improve your accuracy. 7PRC is better than the 7RM for 99% of shooters/hunters. I am starting my 7PRC build myself.

[@user-eg8hb8xt3j]

@@christopherwilliams8737lol calling the eldx “ excellent ammo for hunters “ is like calling joe Biden a good president . That’s hilarious

[@kencleg7721]

Same here I built a 300 wsm 1:12 krieger # 5 @ 23” b&c stock jewell trigger 185/190 Berger’s 2950 w 66.3 of imr 4350 being 30 cal it’s 1:12 twist 165 to 3100 rl 17 h380 believe me that one hole w 165 Rl 22,23, but it’s not like a 6.5 that needs rl 25,26 h1000 to make it consistent the 7 mm prc would be the same deal

[@briankelly2886]

👍They just want to sell new rifles, cartridges,dies ,etc.. Far too much interest in long range " hunting", that takes the hunting out of the hunt. I think long range shooting is great on steel and enemy combatants, NOT on animals.Learn to hunt ,get in close!

[@coldandaloof7166]

Amen

[@sha6mm]

This is 100% correct Gun and Ammo Company’s just need something new to sell. Is the 7mm PRC a good round sure as they all the 7mm are from the 7mm-08 on up, is the 7mm Rem a good round Yes. It comes down to what weight of rifle you want to carry and the range you feel comfortable shooting. I do not believe in it is ethnically right to shoot long range as you do not know when a animal is going to take a step. No for Steel or Varmints shoot to your hearts content.

[@REDNECKROOTS]

Exactly 💯

[@rileyhinkle6169]

Exactly. It’s really not hard to get close to an animal. You just have to learn how.

[@russmiller4801]

I wonder how many folks thought they could purchase a set of reamers and headspace guages and a vise 'I'll be good'.God bless you and Happy Holidays Randy! I'm SO privileged to see you again Sir! You are the Prince of precision rifle building, shooting and game harvesting! Fortunately, I was intuitive enough to determine (not to deviate from topic) that the 300 PRC was and is marketing scheme based on inconsistencies in data, very obvious inconsistencies. I was pleased to hear your opinion on that! 7828 IS my preferred powder for the 300 Winchester Magnum.

[@foonus406]

Dropped my Elk this year with a 300PRC at just over 260 yards, base of the neck. Head flopped sideways and he never took a step, instant kill. 212 Grain Hornady ELD-X no over expansion or huge exit wound, barely saw either. If you're going to hunt close range and shoot a 50 yards into the bush aiming for the front shoulder use Interlocks or partitions, or the CX ...

[@JNOSNOW]

Well the ELD X is just kind of a shitty bullet for hunting. It's just a tipped cup and core target bullet with "precision hunting" on the box.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

​@JNOSNOW partition, barnes hammer. Copper don't tear up meat like lead. But the partition is a oldie but goodie

[@randyeliason6471]

Thank you Randy. I will always be thankful for helping myself and others. I trust very few and you are one.

[@redrock425]

I imagine gunsmiths don't like the PRC cartridges as in the past the only way to get the longer throat, tight chamber or faster twists was to go custom. Now the average person can get all that off the shelf. No doubts a well made 7RM could be as good or better but more expensive.

[@stevenlewis6781]

This exactly. You can get a off the shelf $500 rifle that’s going to give you close to if not the same performance as a full custom rifle. He sounds a little disgruntled. Hornady specs the velocities very closely to real world realities. The 7mm Remington Magnum was and is a wonderfully designed and balanced cartridge. The fact still remains that you have to use a custom barrel to get the most out of it.

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

Can u imagine if 270, 3006 had faster twist and 26 onch barrels. Little tighter tolerance

[@lorenweatherby6520]

Yes I can. My 270wsm wit a 26" Bartlien 1-8 twist barrel pushing Berger 170gr Elite Hunter with RL-26 @ 3200 fps

[@mainenorthwoodshunter3265]

Thank you so much for this video. I purchased my dream rifle for me about a year ago now. It is a Christensen Arms Messa LR in 7MM Rem Mag. Shortly after that I heard a lot of the hype about the 7MM PRC and was wondering if I had made a mistake. I use the gun mostly for hunting up here in Maine and some target shooting at moderate ranges. I also just shot the largest deer of my life with this gun this past season. The deer was dressed out at 208 lbs. The buck dropped in its tracks with a 100-yard shot. I have watched your videos for a few years and greatly value your opinion, Thank you so much for this video. My sighting in with this rifle gave me just over 1/2 MOA at 100 yards of course. The gun does all I could ask.

[@stevenwagner9205]

At 100 yards you could have killed it just as dead with a shotgun slug, .357 Mag, .223, etc. I'm sure a .270 Win would have dropped it right in it's tracks too. As would so many other chamberings. This video gave me a headache. If you have a nice rifle and you target shoot at moderate ranges then that is great. Have fun, enjoy burning all that powder to punch holes in paper. When it comes to killing game at common ranges this whole topic is an internet jerk-off.

[@ryanbranco9786]

I want the 7mm/404 Wapiti!! I have shot a 300 win mag in a tikka whitetail hunter for 25 years, with the a,b,c’s, @180 gr. with 71 gr. of IMR 4350, from 45yds-350yds, hogs to elk, all swift harvests. The next 20 years will be with my 28 nosler, a 175gr NAB LR. BOTW rifle, purchased 5 years ago. Bighorn, elk, deer, and hogs, 25yds-630yds. Swift Harvest jobs. 1. Respect for your quarry. 2.Shot placement 3.Bullet Construction 4.Know your rifle/load and ballistics, by trigger time. Correctly practicing on paper does wonders for muscle memory. No substitute for trigger time! A-accubonds B- Barnes triple shock C- coreloks (old days) then the corelok ultra’s when they came out. For every situation there’s always someone trying to better the situation, Old School stands the test of time!! Keep’em coming Sir, I would give quite a bit to be able to build my own rifle let alone hundreds like you have!!

[@milo555100]

Randy thank you for taking the time to explain, in understandable terms, what most true handloaders know from experience. You talk in terms of action lengths, throat, seating dept…..all of which I have pondered over reloading for my two factory 7mmMag rifles. A sako and a ruger. I think I am inclined to be interested in PRC for the reasons of …increased barrel twist will give me a better potential for tighter groups at 100yds using heavier (175 and above) projectiles. I haven’t had very good results with 175gr bullets out of either rifle. Both have 1:9.5 twists. Also, a wider bandwidth of bullet weights. 120 to 190 with the shorter case. I, personally, cannot drop 6500 on a custom rifle if similar features and function may be attained for 1200ish. I agree with you over BC as it relates to hunting. It is low on the list in hunting situations. My longest shot on a game animal is 325 yards and my daughter had a shot at 437. Any shot over 250 ( while hunting ) is quite a long shot due to uncontrolled variables. Barnes TTSX and Nosler Partitions perform well under 500. In my experience if you see an animal with hooves at 500yds you, most times, have opportunity to get closer. I would love to have one of your custom rifles. I so appreciate your craft and envy being able to do what you do. It has always been interesting to me. Hopefully I will own a custom gem of a rifle one day.

[@scottschmidt7517]

I tried the LRX and the ELD X on Missouri whitetails this past season...LRX's just penciled through and the ELD X's were inconsistent with little damage and complete pass through or yawled from a square-on broad side shot just to come out behind the last rib. I only had on deer drop in it's tracks out of four. Now this was done with a 6.5 CM Kimber Hunter Pro. The upcoming season I'm just going with the Ruger M77 in 7MM/08 with 140gr Nosler BT. Thank you for your content Randy.

[@jakeoly5109]

Love listening to the wisdom Randy. Thanks for your input.

[@krisshepherd740]

I shot a 7mm mag for 20 years. Still have it. Never failed me with 160g accubond bullets. Usually single shots, quick kills. Im getting a 7mm prc because i researched all i can on this cartridge and accuracy, a little less recoil and tighter tolerance on actions seem to make sense. I'm confident it'll be a excellent cartridge for any ungulate on our continent. Ill be using the 160g cx bullet to start with, but will make changes if needed in time with newee designs. Im not a long range hunter. 500y or less, but usually kill under 250y. I know the 7mm prc doesnt outshine the 7 mag as far as drop below 500y, but i believe it to be more accurate and less finicky on ammo. Time will tell, but i say the 7mm prc is here to stay.😊

[@rcosg542yt]

The 7mm PRC allows someone without a gunsmith shop in their garage to go buy a factory rifle n shoot heavy for caliber (high bc) projectiles out of a barrel with the correct twist rate for those projectiles in a more compact package... the shorter powder column allows shorter barrel making a lighter rifle. If I wanted to get my 7 rem mag to shoot same I'd have to A: have the reloading equipment, B:get a new barrel with faster twist rate, C: get extended mag and mag well so those long bullets cycle without hanging up, and not to mention the chamber tolerances. All that would cost more money and headaches than just getting the rifle with the updated, more efficiently designed cartridge. The 7mm RM is a great cartridge but it's not very efficient.

[@ThemantleofElijah]

This is true, I just purchased a prc and I did it because of the efficiency of the cartridge and the ability to off the shelf shoot long and heavier bullets. This is just a better longer range cartridge than the older 7rem mag, which is an awesome cartridge but we’ve entered the next chapter and era of different cartridges with efficiency in mind. The years of Gunsmithing to have a rifle shoot like a custom gun is over cuz the factories are making the rifles ready to do it, with a fraction of the cost. Along with the ammo To shoot in these rifles which I think is the smartest marketing plan by Hornady

[@TexanUSMC8089]

I believe it's possible to improve on anything designed 50+ years ago. I'm a big fan of the 7 Rem Mag, but I believe the chamber could be improved. On a lot of older cartridges, the bullet was seated deeper into the case. That's not a good thing.

[@totallyjonesin]

That is what he was saying, when he said " a properly built 7mm Rem mag"

[@SuperMatt1235]

Here is the deal. Modern machining has eliminated the need for gunsmiths because a cnc machine is way more accurate at holding tolerances than an old geezer from 40 years ago on a manual lathe. As always their is that one guy who gives a crap enough to do a superb job but that is the master. I don’t trust any gunsmith today with even the simplest of tasks. I have assembled 13 precision rifles from 223 to 338 win mag since Covid started and the largest 5 shot groups from any rifle is 3/8”. As a hand loader it’s just so easy nowadays even a child can do it. My children do.

[@user-eg8hb8xt3j]

Did you not watch the video ? Lol

[@user-eg8hb8xt3j]

@@SuperMatt1235lol you’ve done 13 … he’s probably done 10 thousand plus . That old geezer as you put it has forgotten more about these things than you will ever know. Hilarious

[@thatguyfishingben4794]

​@user-eg8hb8xt3j I would agree he has put together a lot of rifles but it ain't as complicated as he makes it seem. All buliding a properly built rifle means is mating a good barrel to a good action. Literally anyone can do it. Not everyone can afford a lathe to manufacture their own barrels but anyone can buy a reputable barrel built to the specs you want and properly instal it in their garage. I let my wife build her last 2 rifles and both shoot under 3/4 moa with handloads. He makes it sound like you have to be a expert to make a rifle as good as his and it's just not true.

[@jeffwilliams3436]

This dude will hate when we’re all hunting with improved rail gun tech in the next 50 years. “I’m sending a 15 grain rail at 10,000 fps with the recoil of a 22. He would still argue the 270 win is better.

[@iveyblanton2234]

A perfect example of "you cant teach an old dog new tricks". He refuses to see the advances in bullet technology and bashes everything thats designed to shoot high bc bullets.

[@mikepankaskie5774]

The biggest advantage to the 7prc is for the guy that buys factory rifle and factory ammo. In a year or two nosler will carry 180 grain 7prc ammo( factory ammo not handloads). That should have in excess of 2000 energy at 500 yards. The 7mm rem mag factory ammo 160 nosler accubond carries around 1500 foot pounds of energy at 500. A custom made rifle chambered in 7mm rem mag with handloads will be able to do everything the prc can do. This allows your common hardworking man to buy a factory rifle, factory ammo and have a similar set up as the guy who can afford custom rifle. Maybe I'm wrong but I think this caliber will be a top 5 seller a decade from today. Time will tell

[@krisshepherd740]

Spot on

[@Sakura_Kawaii_Aesthetic]

Really do not understand why old heads like this guy cannot understand this. Us that do not handload or build 5k custom rifles the 7prc is the clear choice

[@daniedutoit2277]

Dear Sir. Thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge and experience with us, it is highly appreciated. I make sure never to miss a video of yours. Please give your views on the .243 and 30.06. Everything of the best for you and your family for 2023. All the way from South Africa

[@michaelhale4041]

Gotta love how this gentleman puts it plain and simple.

[@lancemiller9110]

Santa knows……..he always knows

[@jessejones3616]

Randy simply states the facts. What he’s saying is the truth.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Thanks! Merry Christmas, Happy New Year.

[@curtissheffield4485]

Mr. Randy what is your opinion on the 280ackleyi.im wanting to do a build thinking about this round

[@texpatriot8462]

7mm PRC = Beltless 7mm Rem Mag. The difference between the 7mm PRC, 7 Rem Mag, and 280 AI isn't worth a box of rocks under 500 yards.

[@nickb8618]

Prc is just a short action magnum (saum wsm) with a longer throat to except longer high bc bullets without compacting the powder and stuck in a long action due to the overall length. I hunt and shoot a 7mm wsm and it’s phenomenal. It’s short coming is the shorter neck to seat a longer bullet. The short fat cases are more the efficient at burning powder quicker. There fore u can get the same fps out of less powder less recoil when comparing the same charge or a little more in a longer case. Lot more powder in the 28nosler lot more recoil therefore it’s going to be faster than a short fat magnum case. How quick the burn gets to the center of a powder charge effects velocity. Quicker center powder burn of the charge equals higher velocity. That’s fact over a longer case longer powder burn with the charge being similar. Key word in my statement similar! What’s I’m warry of if you go longer high bc bullets in faster twist the spin can make the bullet come apart. This is why winchester kept the twist in the wsm the same as the rem mag and capped the weight at 160gr. A elk is not gonna care if it’s hit with a 160 bonded vs 175 bullet. Guys need to understand what spinning the bullet faster can do. It can make it come apart at the higher rpm of the bullet by adding a lot of more force on the bullet guts. 5” different wind drift at 600 yrds vs the prc. I can hold or dial that. When I buy another 7mm it’s gonna be a rem mag just cause I want higher weight bullets my short mag can’t handle. There’s give and take between the wsm and rem mag but I believe the high twist prc could be problems

[@brentdanieldbtcm3620]

The only PRC that fits in a short (ish) action is the 6.5

[@threequarter4071]

Thank you for sharing your vast experience and knowledge. I came to a similar conclusion of my own accord regarding the ELD-x series of bullets after testing the 200gr 30 cal version. Luckily I decided it wasn’t suitable for hunting before using on game animals. I recovered several bullet fragments out of the berm and couldn’t believe how badly the jackets separated and the lead cores fragmented. The “interlock” is just as you say, a mere sliver compared to actual Interlock series bullets. This was out of a 30-06 with around 2600fps mv. There are so many other, better choices for hunting.

[@MG-xm3yv]

As a man who is a master in his trade & years of excellence of experience, I tend to agree with the point he’s putting to everyone, quoting figures by someone at a desk & as randy says quoting none sense I think we can all do that, but knowing the actual hands on figures that’s a tradesman of the highest standard, I’m not a shooter hunter never have the time & I wished I did, but with the way this was put across was so damn simple & direct made more sense than quoted BS as randy stated Good for you Mr Randy, regards from west Australia

[@ronaldroehrick4872]

Damn straight Randy, tell them the truth and hope they listen. Thanks again for sharing 50+ years of knowledge.

[@sammiller4321]

What I find interesting is most of us that are hunters or Target shooters or both. Are using items such as clothing, boots, packs, Bino’s, rangefinders, rifle scopes, rifles, and most of all our cartridges. Have at one time or another been through the same process as these new cartridges they all went through advertising hype, better than their competitors, and will make you a better hunter and shooter Advertisement! I personally shoot older cartridges that’s been a round a while. I find his points to be on par in many points and other aspects not on par at all.

[@TexasLonghornRanch]

You just talked me into a 7mm PRC!

[@jasonweishaupt1828]

Should be renamed 7mm POS.

[@motocross6539]

Awesome

[@chadperry4021]

He failed to talk you out of it so I will. The 7prc shoots a match bullet with a bc of nearly .8 close to 3000 fps. Done I talked you out it. 😉

[@emanennis8992]

@@chadperry4021 well a eldx is a hunting bullet and they make them berger makes a 180gr elite hunter

[@John-km7ld]

I think by the comments here that no matter what is said by whom 90% of the geniuses out the can't grasp what he is talking about. They see prc and think that the 6.5 Creedmoor God's smiled and gave them a new gift.🤣

[@jacoba1785]

Thanks for doing these videos!

[@JasonSmith-zk7yu]

Hello Randy, thanks for your information on the 7PRC. I’ve built two bolt rifles that I’m very happy with (6mm creedmoor and a 223) and looking to add a third. The third rifle will be a long action that can shoot LONG range. I’ve taken the 6 creedmoor to a mile and it works but not consistently. I’ve been looking at 7mm options and would welcome your suggestion on what caliber you’d choose to run out beyond a mile?

[@charleywalker2982]

Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.

[@howardhooley3408]

The only person that can’t learn more is the one that thinks he knows it all

[@jimollison5004]

Yeah, darn young whipper snappers know it all.

[@Siskiyous6]

The 7X57 Mauser is the perfect 7MM, it has stood the test of time.

[@ericrumpel3105]

......worlds GREATEST secret !!!....127 yrs. old & is more modern than the 6.5 creedmoor....lol......gotta love bullshit hype-marketing to the sheople of nowdays who eat it like they do their pop & candy.....lmao

[@jeffcopenhaver2217]

My favorite by a long shot. Continues to do everything I ask of it in spades.

[@michaelhennegan9637]

I wanted a 7 Mauser but couldn’t find one so I got a 7/08, it’s a dandy too.

[@bobparvin9773]

Bygod I can't say it better myself! It's really a good bet that you are 100 percent correct, I know that it Kills em just as good as any other round if not better with the softpoints that I have used.

[@andykurlovich9827]

My ruger #1 in 7x57 has served me well for years on the local whitetails

[@gregphillips8299]

I respect the heck out of your knowledge about the 7mm Remington magnum, But not everyone has access to a competent gunsmith much less a custom rifle builder. For those people they can go buy a factory rifle that is throated correctly and twisted correctly for the heavy bullets they want to shoot now days for less than $2000. That’s all Hornady is really doing, they are forcing the firearms industry to update. If I wanted to rebarrel my 7mm Remington magnum to a 1-8 twist the barrel is gonna cost a minimum of $450, and a gunsmith is gonna charge that same $450 to chamber it and cut and thread the tenon at minimum. That’s $900 dollars a lot of people don’t have to spend nor do they have the months and months to wait on the job to get done

[@davidblanchard5252]

I believe the 7MM Rem. Mag. To be an ideal deer caliber. I usually hand load my loads with IMR powder with at least 150 gr.bullet. leaving the barrel at three thousand FPS. My scope 6x18 Redfield on a Ruger M77 bolt action. My loads are taken from a Hornady Manuel. I under stand your custom built rifles have better volicity. With more accurate loads. I love listening to your series on different calibers. Thank you for sharing your experiences.

[@patrickorear4987]

I'm glad someone is calling this bs out. The ammo companies are taking these long range target cartridges and pushing them as better for hunting because of their performance at 1000 yards, then one sentence later, they state that it's unethical to shoot game past 300 yards.

[@coachmatt216]

Reminds me of my grandpa in his last 5 years. Angry, but his facts and experience were right on.

[@jfox71]

Thank you for calling out the ELDX. I had one totally grenade on a pronghorn shoulder at close range out of a 7mm-08. I chased a tripod for an hour across the badlands. I ended it at 300yds. Never will I use them on a big game animal again.

[@KeystoneTexan]

I wish I had a man like you when I was younger to teach me all the gun related things that you talk about.

[@michaelhennegan9637]

You could have taught yourself by reading books. That’s how everyone does it, including Randy.

[@KeystoneTexan]

@@michaelhennegan9637 I’m in my 40’s and I have been reading magazines and books about guns and ammunition since I was 12. I still have questions and a lot to learn.

[@savage1030]

Soooo he likes 7rem better than 7prc? Why is he so mad again?

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Ain't mad. You miss the point. Just don't like hype rather than truth. 7MM PRC isn't the best thing since sliced bread or better than the other 7mm's no matter their hype. Thanks for watching.

[@johnnydawson7675]

Randy, Happy New Year! You are the best.

[@thecheapshot1065]

My friend was very much into fast cars and one thing he told me is there's no replacement for displacement. If it holds more powder it will push a mullet of similar BC and weight faster every time. Now I have heard some cases burn powder a little more efficiently and that maybe I don't know I've been trying to research this to find truth since it seems like most of the burn happens in the barrel

[@mountainstomarshes8966]

The hype is well deserved. The 7mm PRC is the perfect compromise between terminal ballistics and efficiency. A 180 grain .284 caliber projectile leaving the muzzle at 3000 FPS is the sweet spot for long range performance while still being shootable. For guys that hunt out West, 5-800 yard shots are fairly common. The new PRC is not crazy over the top like the 28 Nosler or 7 STW, but has a modern case design that doesn't get powder space eaten alive by long ogive bullets. Good luck finding a factory twisted and properly throated 7mm Rem Mag, 7mm-08, 280AI etc. that can spin or seat 180s. This is why the PRC is indeed superior. Like most cartridges though, 9 out of 10 fellas arguing about it would be best served by heading to the range and shooting their current rifle more than once a year.

[@dukeman7595]

No person should shoot a living breathing animal that can feel pain further than 4oo yards, at the very most. Only a Slob, with NO Hunting Skill would do so. If you don't have the skill and experience to stalk an animal within a reasonable distance to ensure a lethal first shot you have no business hunting, Period. Too many animals are left crippled to die a horrible death by SLOB BUMS who attempt such folly. Don't be that SLOB!!

[@user-eg8hb8xt3j]

Lol it’s perfect Is it 😂😂😂 ahhh people really do drink the coolaid

[@mountainstomarshes8966]

@@user-eg8hb8xt3j there's data you can READ that shows what recoil range leads to a drop-off in accuracy...it's just above the PRC

[@loganmorton9304]

Except it doesn’t leave the barrel at 3k lol

[@jessejones3616]

I love to learn from you Randy. Thanks for sharing your experience and knowledge with this generation of hand loaders. When I first started loading I learned most of it from watching The Real Gun Smith

[@Dougarrowhead]

It would be nice if these companies would provide brass for the other magic cartridges they released just a few years ago. Can't find 350 legend or 6.5 grendel brass anywhere for a few years now.

[@mman9]

you are a wealth of knowledge sir. thank you for sharing that knowledge with us.

[@codystill152]

This guy is a legend in his own mind.

[@billdorell8351]

Well, you also talked down on the 300 prc, stating it doesn't really do anything the winmag can do. Well actually, one can get a non-custom 300 prc and get all the things that would need to be custom for the winmag. Tighter factory chamber, tighter twist for heavier bullets.. Etc. Oh, and the ability to purchase factory 225 grain match loads. Now you are on to the 7mm prc. Having the 300 prc, wouldn't be surprised if you are just as wrong about the 7mm prc.

[@05psd916]

If you listen to what most of the people talking about what the PRCs is good for, it's not that they can do what other cartridges can't. It's that you can buy a rifle off the shelf, with ammo off the shelf to get similar performance as a custom chambered and hand loaded combo. Not everyone wants to hand load and spend so much on a rifle.

[@countduku9470]

@@05psd916 that’s what he said

[@lylewalters909]

Mr Selby I would love to twist your ear on a twisted idea I have. I have wanted to rebarrel a savage model 99. still use the 300 savage case but necked it down to 7mm or 6.5 or 6mm, heck even a 257 Ackley Improved chamber. I've been a fan of the 244/6mm rem for years but the model 99 with a 300 cartridge but necked down with a long neck similar to the creedmoor. idk, maybe I'm chasing my tail but I would like to build one either way. what's your thoughts?

[@threequarter4071]

As far as 7mm’s go, what is your opinion of the 280 Ackley Improved? Would you recommend it for someone re-barreling a standard long action (30-06 based) rifle?

[@nickb8618]

I’m thinking about rebarrelling a 270 into a 280 AI. It ain’t no rem mag but still really really good

[@SEOKLADUCKIN]

Very versatile round ...

[@TheRealGunsmith]

A good choice. Thanks for watching.

[@mark-wn5ek]

Save your money. BTDT.

[@smash710]

I think he hates hornday lol! It not that the prc line of cartridges are any better there inherently more accurate because of the case design every ELR shooter knows higher bc bullet's seated closer to the lans is gonna be more accurate with a slower twist rate barrel and heavier projectiles hornday prc line does that without having too have a smith build a custom rifle they have cornerd the market for off the shelf rifles shooting out to distance

[@travissmith-wz5nc]

Randy i have a 270 that likes 150gr nosler partition & 53.5 gr of 4831sc. Sub moa at 100yrds. But I do like the hammer bullets best.

[@richardbullock7718]

Been subscribed for a long time… love your content

[@billcarlson852]

Hi Randy, thank you for sharing your knowledge. I have a quick question? I am new to handloading and do not understand how you can increase cartridge length without DECREASING LOAD DENSITY. You mentioned that the 7 rem mag with nosler 175 gr bulletin the best combo. Nosler book says COAL is 3.290". That load density with h-1000 powder is 89%.... How do you improve that when you suggested loading to COAL 3.500" ? The load density will be significantly adversely affected... Please help, I just want to understand without catastrophic consequences. Thanks, Bill

[@TheRealGunsmith]

It is all about square inches. Increasing load round length gives area for more powder. So you increase the charge from, say as an example, 66 gr IMR 7828 to 71 gr IMR 7828 and get more velocity. Load density is the same. And H1000 does not give the velocity of 7828. Thanks for watching.

[@joeltipton6038]

Mr Randy do you know of any powder that is comparable to 7828 i have been looking for some without any luck. I tried ladder loads with Mag Pro and my results were less that likable.

[@Not-the-only-one]

I know for a fact that you can get 2916 fps out of a 7PRC with a 22” barrel shooting factory 175 grain ELD-X. So getting 2980 fps out of a 26” barrel is not outlandish at all. The factory ammo seems compressed though. The powder doesn’t shake at all. I haven’t tore one apart yet. Randy I appreciate your real life experience with design and manufacturing of rifles. God bless you for sharing this information.

[@brianhaumontsr9030]

Just a question butt is any of other new 7mm better than 7mm weatherby mag just asking but I’ve used 300 weatherbye mag for years love it thanks for yr videos

[@flaganpetska6179]

It depends what you mean by “better”. If we are just talking about velocity and energy then yeah the weatherby, noslers, and ultra mags would be all we shoot. I think the modern way of thinking is “is it really necessary” in terms of insane velocity.

[@flaganpetska6179]

Ive been looking forward to this video to see the old timers opinion on where this one stands. First look, it appears to be a very well thought out design that could fill some gaps. Time will tell.

[@flaganpetska6179]

I will say that its going to be a hand loaded cartridge if i ever get one. Nosler wont load it because its a competitor for their 28 nosler. I agree that the eld-x is sometimes disappointing. It has never not done the job, but I have found it in pieces if my shot was incorrectly placed. That said ive seen the same results with the ABLR.

[@randomidiot8142]

The 7 wsm is shorter and fatter and does what the prc is supposed to do better than the prc. Compared to the .284 loaded in long actions with 180's it's a minor step up in power but is it worth it? If it's better it'll be the new f class standard. Even something like the 7x57 AI isn't far behind but with less powder burned. They're already past the point of diminishing returns and it seems pointless. It only makes sense if they're cutting off the supply of ammo to existing rifles to get you to buy a new one (that their friends make). They go on about Saami this Saami that for excuses about why they can't change barrel twists or freebore on existing cartridges but most 6.5 creedmoor chambers are under saami spec.

[@chuckjackson-wo7cb]

Just wondering what kind of gaps do you think it would possibly fill?

[@dennispollard6763]

Great video thanks for the information. I was going to buy a 7 MM PRC I think I'll stick to my Browning 300 MAG..

[@timtorkelson7201]

Agreed! 300WM is a Thumper!😊

[@kurtgates4194]

Randy, how do you feel about the Barnes TTSX bullets. I used to only load nosler partitions in my hunting rifles, but I tried the Barnes and have had better luck with them holding together and getting the job done really well.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Barnes are tops, real killers. Thanks for watching.

[@ValcoBayrunner]

On the 7mm Magnum, IMR powders are hard to find now in my area. Which powder would be a close 2nd ? MagPro or Retumbo ? I havnt seen any Alliant Reloader magnum powders over a year now.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

The shortage of components is challenging, for sure. You can try Retumbo, see how you do with it and your other components. Good shooting and thanks for watching.

[@borisbuliak3626]

I’ll stick with my 7mm 08 I rarely ever use the 7mm RM . If I didn’t have either I might’ve thought about this new fade.

[@rileycooper8478]

I shoot the "old" .308 and love it. I've had and hunted with 300WM, 30-06, 25-06, 7mm-08, 7mmRM, .223 and the venerable 30-30. That doesn't mean I can't consider a new cartridge may be better than something old. 7mmPRC isn't magic, but it will do things my .308 will not. If I can buy a rifle and ammo off the shelf and effectively reach out to steel at 1500+ why not? If it gives me clean kills at 600 with the right ammo why not? Bullet technology is far more advanced than when I started shooting centerfire almost 50 years ago and it's for the better.

[@Hydra70964]

I probably missed some points here. Is the 7mm PRC worse than the 7MM RM? Why can’t you load the right hunting bullets in the 7mm PRC and have the option to use the longer bullets for long range shooting?

[@zackerydonelson1332]

I have the same question. I understand the PRC is more suited towards Precision Shooting. Hence the P in PRC. However you can still load the 160 nosler in it and still get the game results? I hope we aren't the only ones confused

[@thepracticalrifleman]

Well, if you use logic, it defeats this guys argument 😂

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Hydra 70:They are selling it as loaded with factory bullets. Thanks for watching.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

Zachary Donelson: You confuse yourself. No factory ammo will shoot to the accuracy level of any handload that I work up for my own or clients rifles. They can't, as they are made to be able to work in a variety of manufactures barrels, who all have varying tolerances, so their accuracy won't be the same. Thanks for watching.

[@TheRealGunsmith]

The Practical Rifleman: It is obvious you didn't listen well. Thanks for watching.

[@paulmeek7964]

In years past hunters developed new and better equipment for the need of killing faster and more humane. Aka Nolser Partition and Roy Weatherby now it's more about marketing and sales and I understand that . When the 7 mag came out it was the best thing since sliced bread for open country shooters but the wood hunters said absolutely no need for anything other than my 30-30 or old 06. Thing always change and that's what makes it interesting.

[@albertrettenmaier225]

It appears to me that the 7 PRC is roughly equivalent to a 7 mm Rem Mag but without a belt which should lead to longer case life for reloaders.

[@staceyevers4803]

I'm getting 3160 out of my 7prc with 180gr berger vlds and it's not showing pressure. And the berger vld kills and does it quick. Guess my old country gunsmith from North Carolina knows how to put one together.

[@leelathrop9539]

I’m not buying it. Unless you have a 30 inch barrel or are necking down the 300PRC case to 7mm. Always hear of these amazing velocities on the internet but have never seen it in person

[@staceyevers4803]

@Lee Lathrop you don't have to believe it. I really don't have to prove anything but facts are facts.

[@jonbaniak9097]

Thank you sir for your expertise! Love my 28 Nosler aka “the Grim Reaper.” It’s all about $ with Hornady.

[@nt3523]

Been shooting 7rum for 15 years or so. I love loading and shooting it. 28 nosler intrigues me so much but i just can't switch. When guys bitch about too much recoil it makes me giggle. Maybe I'm weird. It kicks but it's not that bad.

[@H43339]

Well I sure Nosler is in business to make money also.

[@christophermanning6462]

I don't disagree with anything stated. I've struggled in my mind with this one for a while but I am building a 7 PRC, though, and here is why. I have a shot out tang safety Ruger, I have a 1 in 7.5 twist Palma profile barrel I picked up. I am a machinist. I was going to make it in 7mm Rem Mag, but since this rifle is going to be heavy and is for hitting paper and steel at long ranges I found myself interested in what they did with the PRC design, and the Gunwerks LRM before it, for shooting the new heavy 7mm bullets at non living targets. I didn't want to go higher powder capacity and I considered my Ruger action length. It took me weeks to choose, I really don't think for my purposes any one of the three wouldn't work. This rifle won't be for hunting, but to see if I can hit long range now that I'm old. Not for competition, just, when I was young I loved hitting rocks or Dirt clods way across the fields. I want to see if I can get to 1000 yards or beyond. I've got other rifles for hunting.

[@allynmcfarlin2074]

Help !! I cannot find the Randy Selby book anywhere. When does it come out ?? I desperately need it. 😫

[@TheRealGunsmith]

From Cathy: We get lots of requests. It is considered, just don't know when we'll find the time. He is still very active gunsmith/rifle builder. There are only so many hours in a day and we also like to have time off. Thanks so very much for the kind comment and thanks for watching!

[@robertsypolt]

We can always trust Randy to "tell it like it REALLY is"!!! I agree with Liberty Cave's comment below...the 7X57 Mauser cartridge has stood the test of time!! Absolutely nothing replaces practical experience, and you obviously have a lifetime of it!! Much respect to you Randy!!!

[@lancemiller9110]

Always interesting, but most of the best cartridges are from yesteryear. All the revolver rounds and 45/70, 30/30, 30-06, 220 Swift, and on……..let’s not forget the .22 as well.

[@matthewkyle6939]

Randy's an grumpy old man that thinks his steam engine is way better than that new gas motor.

[@ChrisGaines-zd2mb]

​@@matthewkyle6939 What I got from it 20 miles uphill in the snow bs.

[@johnwright5041]

nosler 85 grain partition in my old model 70 243. hunting on my land in wv it works fine on deer between 50-200 yards. shot placement is key. in the brush its a 336 marlin in 30-30 remington core locked. 170 grain open sights and no more than 100 yards

[@markstuut4024]

You do most of the time thank you for sharing

[@matthewsmith2051]

I’m sure Randy is highly knowledgeable and passionate but he misses the point of all the new cartridges. It’s not that the 7PRC is better than the 7mm Remington magnum it’s the fact that you can buy a 7PRC off the self and not have to take it to a gunsmith to have the chamber cut for high BC bullets. I get it this 7PRC is cutting into his business and Hornady is the enemy apparently

[@ericrumpel3105]

I totally agree with what you are saying, up till when you said "it's cutting into his business & honady is the enemy, I believe he is saying the hype is making people have false beliefs, for example, I worked with 2 guys, they were brother-in-laws, one had a 30-06, the other a 7MM RM, the one with the 06 bought a 6.5 cm because he "wanted to be able to shoot a deer at 800 yards" the other was gonna buy a 28 nosler to shoot a deer at a mile because a friend of his bought one said they are made for that, BUT, NONE of them shoot more than ten rounds per year because the ammo is expensive.....lmao.....that there is typical of the hype being eaten like candy by TOTALLY uneducated, unpracticed, basically stupid guys that have no business shooting beyond 100 yds., if that,.....hunters afield & deer alike - LOOKOUT !!!

[@Mountain-Man27]

Exactlyyyy, and it’s literally in the name of the cartridge that it’s for precision shooting which many people don’t reload for because they shoot too much ammo. I don’t bother to reload for my 1000 yard rifle since I easily shoot 200+ rounds a range trips. Way too much time spent reloading for me

[@lisaannaallen6283]

a chamber ream job at the most $150.

[@aaronpudlicki7418]

@@lisaannaallen6283whats a new fast twist barrel cost, and reloading equipment if you don’t already have any

[@lisaannaallen6283]

@@aaronpudlicki7418 most 7 mags have 1 in 9 r o t vs 1 in 8.5 for a 7 prc .

[@perlindqvist3003]

Thank you👍 Regards from Sweden

[@josephvillegas639]

I agree with one thing he says, you gotta use the right bullet for whatever you are shooting at, game or targets...

[@jasonbroom7147]

That's the biggest take away from a rant that goes on too long. There's no stink on the 7mm PRC, and no magic in the 7 RM...they both push bullets out of a bore. Pick the right bullet and put it where it needs to go.

[@BigT27295]

Thanks Mr. Shelby. Merry Christmas to you and Mrs. Shelby...

[@moparblood]

i would love to see you do an episode on the 8mm mag. "the forgotten" rifle

[@DaBellyMan318]

Yes

[@stephencox2392]

Enjoyable as always. I'd love to hear you talk about your favorite non-magnum cartridges, whether they be for antelope, mule deer or elk. Some of us don't care about long range shooting and/or don't have any business doing it with our skill sets, and in any case, don't want to deal with the recoil (or maybe I'm just describing myself here). Love the videos. Steve

[@warrengreen3217]

Shooting out to 500 or 600 yards is not hard to master when your getting close to over 800 to 1000 and more is where it gets tricky

[@kylecasetta4091]

I'm on the don't care to shoot over 300 crowd. Hunting is supposed to be the art of getting as close as possible. Something about seeing the flicker of a deers eye lashes when they are 15 steps away to really test your skills. Just my opinion though. Long range shooting is a good skill on paper to make your hunting shot's that much easier.

[@warrengreen3217]

@@kylecasetta4091 I bow hunt so I know about being close to deer but if I dont tag a buck in archery then rifle season most deer I killed was 10 to 50 yards but there's been a few times a big buck was out to 200 to 300 or more yards I'm make sure my skill are up to it to make a good shot

[@kylecasetta4091]

@@warrengreen3217 sadly your the minority most can't hit a barn at 250 and still try to be the long range cool guy. Give credit to those who practice and perfect long range shooting it's definitely a skill

[@braddhancock6192]

Randy you misread Tom beckstrands article on the 7mm prc in guns and ammo he doesn't say that the 7mm prc shoots a 175 gr bullet faster than a 28 nosler he says that the 7mm prc matches the 7mm rum when loaded with vld bullets and shoots 100 to 125 fps SLOWER THAN THE 28 NOSLER . THAT MAY BE THE PROBLEM YOU ARE NOT READING IT CORRECTLY I THINK YOU OWE TOM A OPLOGLY. Further more you do not comprend what he is trying to get across in his article.

[@markl6769]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I do not trust articles selling new and better things. Your experience is clear. Thank you sir for your time and energy. edit: You have been invaluable to me in my hand loading. Thanks again.

[@Honkers716]

😂

[@bretnmannn]

Randy right, the ideal cartridge is the 7mm-33 nosler it has better performance than a 28 nosler, the 7-33 nosler has a .550 base case and the case is 2.460" long with 190 grn 1.668" long A-tips coal. 3.750" fits the bullet base at the cases shoulder junction! Feeds from a long action detachable magazine! The 7mm-33 nosler with its 35degree shoulder induces less case extrusion making for less case trimming! The 33 nosler longer case neck protects the barrels throat from the inside powder burn fire angle! Etc.etc

[@zxej6879]

I gave your story a like. The new caliber cartridges are primarily a response to hunting regulation changes or the whims of target shooters. Since no-lead bullets are generally lighter than the lead bullts. The longer boat tailed bullets will become more commonplace. And will also generally require a faster twist rate. I had other guns back in the 1970's. But due to an evil exwife, the guns had to go away. But the variety that I have bought to teach my grandkids to shoot. Are geared toward teaching them use the right tool for the situation. I have bought BB guns, several .22's, .350 legend, 6.5 Creedmoor, .270 Win, .308Win/7.62, and several shotguns. Back in the 80's and 90's I machined various chain guns in 25 and 30mm calibers. While the military has different requirements than the typical sportsman or target shooter. The twist profiles that were put into the military product. I have never seen in the sportsman's world. What most people would like to see. Is a chart of for each caliber. What is the expected barrel life would be with a particular caliber and powder combination.

[@MrLew1965]

Everything evolves with technology along with bullets and guns ...These new Long range rounds are really remarkable achievements if you ask me but the price is off the charts !

[@samtaylor1669]

I don’t think anyone says the 7 rem mag can’t do what the 7 PRC does. The biggest difference is what took handloaders years to do with reloads, the PRC does with factory ammo. Simply put, it’s regular guy friendly.

[@dillonkeenan7838]

Been waiting for this video!

[@ryanglass3570]

Hi Randy, I see your complaint and agree that journalists flat out lie and blow smoke out their asses but the hornady engineers are really good as long as people don't use their bullets lol. I am currently building a 7mm prc, I don't have a 7mm mag so this is where I am going to start. Hornady did a really good job in their engineering department and made bullet manufactures try to keep up and we have some really good results. With my 6.5 cr I was able to get sub 1/2" group with a 140gr long range accubond 2860 fps. Surely people are going to think that they can shoot animals at 1000 yards but they probably will miss entirely. Totally different shooting steel vs. game, 500 yards max for my experience and I am no spring chicken.

[@jamesspikes]

I have over pressure issues with my factory Hornady 7mm PRC 175 ELDX Precision Hunter ammo in my new Christensen Ridgeline FFT 22”. I noticed the ammo is .03 longer than Hornadys reloading manual. When I chamber a round and pull it out I have rifling marks on the bullet, unsure if it’s a ammo or a chambering issue.

[@jaymiller393]

That’s just CA trash.

[@paulmacghee5721]

Randy, Please write a book about your lifetime of hunting and gun building experiences, even if you have to self publish it. I'll buy one!

[@cleverone3768]

Great video!