Profitec Pro 600 | Everything You Need, Nothing You Don't

[@thomasberner5282]

I own the (non-joystick) Pro 600 for a few years now and it's simply a reliable machine. No nonsense, just good coffee. And I never experienced a vibration issue.

[@ibrahim201170]

Does it actually produce cafe quality(like a commercial coffee machine) coffee?

[@thomasberner5282]

@@ibrahim201170 Regardless of the brand: If a dual boiler doesn't do the trick, the issue probably isn't the machine but something else...

[@andrecheongavocadojudo2114]

Same right here (non joy stick)I think the pro 600 is the best investment I have made.

[@aureliocastro6478]

I’ve had my pro600 since 2019. It’s a great machine.

[@aSm8full]

Mine has entered maintenance three times within a year and the pump failed twice. I followed their instructions for water and decal and it keeps failing

[@troyscafe7370]

Great review! I'm sort of perplexed by so many people that consider the pump type such an issue. If you want a Rotary pump because you want to plumb in your machine than I suppose I understand but, there is no difference in cup quality! I have used and owned both Vibration and Rotary pump machines and the espresso is awesome in both! The pressure seems to be a bit more consistent with Rotary pumps but with a public so enamored with Flow Control and varying pump pressures, I can't see the very small pulse of pressure from a Vibration pump of any issue. Rotary pumps are a bit quieter but Vibration pumps are getting less noisy all the time. So, really the largest reason I could see needing a rotary pump is if you are gonna plumb in the machine or expect to use it for A LOT of drinks a day! That's why Commercial machines use them, they can handle high volume! By the way, I am the happy owner of the Pro 600. As I said before, I have owned machines with both styles of pump and really they all made the same great shots as long as you had great puck prep and good grinder!

[@scottty27902]

I've had my Pro 600 for over 4 years now, and it hasn't missed a beat. Fantastic build quality, espresso tastes great and plenty of steaming power (up to 2 bar steam). I'm actually a fan of the vibe pump as it gives a slower ramp than a rotary, so it is a bit more forgiving as it doesn't blast your puck with the full 9 bar instantly, and if they fail, they are very cheap to replace (~£15). Definitely would recommend Profitec to anyone wanting a good quality home espresso machine.

[@t0bistr]

thank you very much for the comment. I am 1mm away from buying the Pro 600, because it has everything I need from the Pro 700 / Synchronika and I don't have to spend an extra 1000 Euros for the better external finish. Greets from germany!

[@BBB-jn9zk]

​@@t0bistrI was in the same boat as you but what got me to do the 600 over 700 is the smaller boiler size heat up is about 10 min I think from what I've heard at the time the 700 was almost 25 min

[@t0bistr]

@@BBB-jn9zk oh that's even better then! Thank you! :)

[@BeachFishingAnticsUK]

Watching this whilst drinking a delicious latte from my Pro 600 mated with a niche zero. I've had this set up for 10 months now and I love it! The machine is a joy to use and so solid and reliable that I'm sure it'll outlive me with no issues. Most importantly the coffee I'm now able to make at home has ruined me for all but the best independent coffee shops out there. :0)

[@isblijkbaarnodig]

I have it. I think there is no better dual boiler machine up to this price. I don’t regret not taking the 700. I can make as much coffee with nice latte art in a row as I want. It’s an exceptional machine.

[@SonicFury62]

Hi friend, 3 problem-free years now with my 600 w/ flow control, reliably averaging 2 shots a day (so wow… 2k+ shots pulled). Not a single bug in the water 😂 Flow control knob at full close still lets some water drip out, which turns out makes for a simple pre-infusion routine. Start the first 10s of the shot with valve closed, and then open, you’ll have a brighter more complex shot. WLL sells an in-tank filter, and with the ECM naked portafilter I’ve had nothing but reliable performance. My only regret is not getting a 700 and plumbing it!

[@Maybaby1959]

I like bugs in my espresso surprises

[@hanfiropaulo1237]

PM

[@Frank-i-e]

One thing I didn’t see you point out is that at least in my Pro 600, the PID has an updated feature for “Fast Heat Up” which shows up as “UP” when heating up followed by a “FLSH” screen which counts down for you till a “RDY GO” screen shows up to tell you it’s ready to brew.

[@bungeoppang210]

Got an pro600 in my kitchen since 5 years. Never had any issues so far. First time changed some sealings two weeks ago. Only complain I might could have is that the pump could be quieter. Apart from that, lovely machine

[@oliverpurdie412]

I have had my Pro 700 for over a year now and it is a beast of machine. Has never missed a beat and pulls consistent shots back to back and its steaming power is also no slouch. I highly recommend it to anybody in the market for a serious dual boiler machine here in AUS

[@i7an]

I was able to overcome the OPV limitation on my Profitec Go by replacing the small limiting screw in OPV unit with a shorter one which I bought on aliexpress.

[@akquicksilver]

I've had my Profitec Pro 600 for 3 years now and I love it. I've had one SSR failure which was covered under Clive's 3 year warranty. I have the spring loaded rotational valves on my taps and they work great providing easy control of flow rates. I installed a flow control on mine since the brew pressure (like yours) would not adjust below 8 bar. I agree with the sharp edges observation. I actually cut myself cleaning the drip tray. I remedied that with a diamond file, but it certainly should have been dealt with at the factory. Spot on and succint review of a great machine.

[@justinhillpac]

This is my current machine with flow control and I love it!

[@Sprometheus]

It’s definitely a solid option, and flow control is a must in my opinion.

[@user-jc1yx9of9p]

I have the pro 700 model for more than 3 years. Still very happy with it. Only replaced the vacuüm releave valve.

[@Dan_Mirai]

I have an ECM Synchronika with flow control for a year and half now and had no problems with it. Just had to de-scale the valve once. Mine is not plumbed in so pretty much use the 45 degree position all the time for a semi bloom on my shots. No complaints here. Reliable work horse. Just one tip, I have mine on a smart switch so I it automatically turns on 30 minutes before I usually wake up so the pre-heat is all done.

[@MSteezyy]

can you explain the smart switch thing a little bit more? do you basically leave the machine on and then you turn it on/off via app through the electrical outlet? so you're basically never turning the machine off but rather through the outlet plug?

[@steveweing]

I bought the 600 with flow control and am totally satisfied. I had a 15 year old ECM rocket that finally died and was worried this could be a downgrade but has been outstanding. I was torn on dials vs the flip knobs. Went with flip and am happy with that. Have owned 3 months so can’t comment on durability

[@SirBender]

Whats an ECM ROCKET? 😅

[@frederikmiddelhoff6721]

@@SirBender He means a machine from the time ECM was still Italian. The Italian side became Rocket. Profitec company bought the rights of the ECM in 1996 I believe.

[@Chris-nj2jz]

Been using the Pro600 (knob version) for about a year and it's been a workhorse. A bit of electrical tape on the rails the metal drip try sits on solved any vibration / noise issues. Build quality is super solid and if you dig the E61 look it's a great looking machine on the coffee bar as well.

[@gabrielchen7069]

Woo! I just got one of these a couple of weeks ago refurbished for a big discount! Really enjoying it :)

[@Sprometheus]

That’s a nice find! Glad to hear you’re enjoying it!

[@matthewwhite7891]

Love your work- great review! My budget won’t stretch to dual boiler and rotary pump, so something has to give. Am leaning towards dual boiler over plumbed-in, just interested on your thoughts of living with this machine every day with the vibration pump (noise & cleaning)?

[@aSm8full]

I've got Pro 600 for almost a year and I had to send it to the maintenance center 3 times so far! the pump failed twice even though I followed their instruction for water and decal (which is an extra cost), needless to say I regret buying it.

[@saamsadeghi]

Looking forward to perfecting my craft on the 400 before upgrading to the 600 especially if my budget allows.

[@mejasiu]

Love my Aeropress! Always in my travel bag!

[@Sprometheus]

Definitely one of the best travel options without fail!

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

My main issue with the Profitec is more of an issue with the E61 group head. I recently upgraded from a 16 year old Expobar Office Leva heat exchange machine and decided to pay the extra for the LaMarzocco Linea Micra. I dislike immensely that the heat isn’t stable enough for perfect repeatable consist cups throughout the morning/afternoon. Nothing like the temperature drifting slightly from the boiler to the group head and making a noticeable flavor impact on my second cup of coffee 40 minutes later. Now on the flip side you have the repairability if you know what you are doing to make it last and last and last so give and take I suppose. Great video.

[@Sprometheus]

I’m with you. The E61 is not my ideal group, and lacks a lot of the stability of the saturated style groups in LMs. But I think in a lot ways the reason is a lot of manufacturers don’t modify or adjust the 61 year old group design to save in parts and cost, as well as keeping the machine a little more affordable on the retail side. Anyway, thanks for the kind words and for watching.

[@back_to_the_bike8820]

Hello, and so, the quality in cup with the Micra, above the best espresso you've shot in the past with the E61 group?

[@nickbrandenstein]

Could you make a video about flow control kits for e61 groups ? I am considering fitting one to my Bezzera duo. Would love learn about the physics and maybe a comparison to the lelit bianca flow control!

[@Andrei-zo5bg]

Have the machine 4 years now, and everything as you described. The only thing, I had problems with steam boiler leaking (steam was hissing from the top of it). Had to buy special thermo sealant and reseal around screw threads. 3 times - every time new one 🙈

[@AdastraRecordings]

I saved myself a bunch of money and bought the ECM Classika II as I don't ever steam milk while I'm pulling shots, these machines are built like tanks, no regrets on my purchase.

[@ShayanGivehchian]

No point in simultaneous action unless you're doing more than 3 drinks.

[@Sprometheus]

Personally dual boilers are more or less wasted on me too. I rarely steam and pull unless I have company. I’m always just focused purely on the pull. I’ve got a Profitec GO ready to get worked out too so I think if it performs as good on the espresso side it’s gonna be a winner.

[@customroasts793]

Question for those that own the 600. I'm torn between the Pro 600 and the new Drive (the 700s replacement). I will never plumb it in so don't need that, however with all of the new features on the Drive it seems to be an "end game" machine. Something I'll never want to upgrade from. I know never say never. The question is will I get the extra $1000 of use out of the Drive to justify it? The 600 seems to have everything it does minus the auto pre infusion and a few other tiny things. With the flow control added I can do a manual pre infusion on the 600 I guess. The steam pressure is the same on both machines just a smaller boiler on the 600. It's just me and maybe 2-3 more from time to time and I'm slow so I don't see myself running out of pressure on the 600. I think I'm answering my own question and if I go with the 600 I'll have more left over to get a Ceado E37SD to replace my faithful Mazzer Mini doeserless modded.

[@mtpastor4546]

Most e61 DB machines are quite similar. In old days, benefit of rotary pump was providing consist pressure. I used to have one E61 DB machine with vibration pump. My experience with this machine was not good, namely inconsistent. However, the flow control system may improve the issue. To me, it is more worthy to have your grinder upgrade. Unless you upgrade your espresso machine to something like Slayer, KVDW, GS3 (basically different group head technology)… Otherwise the different between E61 DB machines are not significant, even no different.

[@greysuit17]

Bug water just enhances the umami notes!

[@Sprometheus]

It could, and if it ferments you could also get a little buzz…no pun intended.

[@greysuit17]

@@Sprometheus 😂😂😂

[@cheekster777]

Thank you my friend.

[@Sprometheus]

You’re welcome, and thanks for watching!

[@rpstz7346]

Hey I have a Pro 500, right at a year it's relay stop working, its a known issue but they did send the part out and I had install it, not what I wanted but resources from Whole Latte Love helped. I would say I like it, its does the job and all the quirks you mentioned I have too with a single boiler...I have my eye on the 700 but will wait to see if I can sell it in Craigslist.

[@ritaweygint4038]

Interesting pre-infusion technique with this… Kind of like what I’m dealing with on my modded Gaggia! I personally would not get a dual boiler machine, as I don’t care for milk drinks that much. I like the ECM Puristika ❤

[@davidmoore94]

I'm with you regarding a requirement for milk steaming. While the steam boiler can be disabled, I'd prefer a competent simpler espresso machine option, without the steam boiler and associated steam wand clutter. This should significantly reduce the overall cost, possibly even with the flow control option included.

[@MrCakers]

Profitec is one of my favorite manufacturers. I have the Pro 800 and it's one the best in my opinion. I just got my mom the Pro 400 and shes loving learning about espresso. Funny enough, it seems the Pro 700 is no more and they are now calling it the "Drive" to differentiate it from the number system I suppose.

[@Sprometheus]

Nice, I can imagine the 400 is a solid starter option especially getting away from things like Breville. I hadn’t seen the 700 name change, but I guess whatever works for their marketing.

[@leoleimgruber8148]

@@Sprometheusi am considering the pro 400 atm or the Mara X… Or a Used bezzera Strega😂

[@greysuit17]

I’m highly considering the 800. How is it with serving a small group of people?

[@AlbertoRestifo]

@@greysuit17 fellow pro 800 user here. It’s excellent. It takes a good while to warm up (40 minutes without any flush, 25 with a few flushers), but that’s because the boiler is massive, and as a result it’s very temperature stable. By the time you’re done prepping the next shot the machine is fully ready

[@greysuit17]

@@AlbertoRestifo excellent, thank you!

[@nickdebenedetto2087]

I recently purchased the Pro 400 for my first foray into espresso and I am very happy with it. My only complaint is that I opted for the flow control and it seems I can’t get the pump pressure low enough to get a true 9 bar reading at the group. I am consistently just a bit over 9 bars it seems

[@LivingTheLifeRetired]

When will we see the Profitec Drive video? I’m strongly considering that over the Synchronika.

[@dr.onderkul]

I did have Lelit Bianca (now I’m using Breville Dual Boiler). As you know it comes with flow control. I really doesn’t understand why other manufacturers selling it with high amount of prices. Unfortunately I cannot exclude Profitec Pro 600.

[@af_loyd20]

In America the 600 w/ flow control is cheaper than the Bianca V3

[@michaelestrinone2111]

I would love to see comparison between Rancilio Pro X and this unit, not necessarily in terms "better/worse", but in your usual style - functionality.

[@jeffjones6667]

Great video as always. I wish to see more machine options under 2500 that are not E61 group based. I guess I'd it's not broke don't fix but with the amount of prosumer machines out there be nice if totally different system besides investing a lot more money

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah, I think the E61 is such a prolific option because it’s a solid commercial group that no longer holds a patent, so instead of having to spend the time and money to research and develop another group design which I think keeps the price lower as well.

[@LordLewsTheDragon]

@@Sprometheus and it is iconic/beautiful. When you are shelling out as much as these machines cost, you kinda want a statement piece. The BDB for example is a better machine for its price than some of its competitors by all accounts... But it just doesn't look like you would want for an expensive thing that will live on your counter for years 🤷‍♂️

[@johnpetolillo288]

Hey quick question. I was considering this machine (with flow control) or the Lelit Bianca V3. Both gorgeous machines. I am not plumbing in so rotary pump isn’t completely necessary. But I do like the fact that it is quiet. Which would you recommend? I love the joysticks on the 600 but the Bianca v3 is a nice looking machine as well. I watched both of your reviews and I think I like the build and look of the Pro 600 a little more but I’m torn. Was just wondering your two cents. Thank you in advance

[@tomy2988]

All the Profitec and ECM machines are nice but I’m still not inclined to move on from my Flair 58 since I make only straight espresso. If I was to get a machine it would probably be the Bianca, for esthetics and flow profile.

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah for straight espresso the Flair 58 is a solid choice. I do love my Bianca as well. La Marzocco used to make a single boiler, no steam wand manual paddle machine called the Shot Brewer and I still think that’s the ultimate espresso-only machine.

[@7Miralas]

​@@SprometheusDoes the Superkop have better workflow than Flair 58?

[@db7069]

The ECM I had was only able to go down to 8 bar on the OPV as well.

[@charlescole-p9v]

I would love to see your review of the ECM Synchronika with flow control.

[@awint123]

Thanks! Learned something that apply to the Profitec 400

[@Sprometheus]

You’re very welcome, thanks for watching and for the Super Thanks! Much appreciated!

[@greatespresstations]

Nice review! Enjoy watching your material. You were discussing your preinfusion technique and I was curious how the E61 preinfusion chamber's effort fits in your technique. Does it play an impact?

[@undeadLJL]

Question: Why does your machine not have the black panels on the sides?

[@nicholasbrown4324]

good morning, I am stuck between Lilet Bianca v3 and Profitec 600, which one is a better machine?

Coffee fan here but high end prosumer machine newbie: how much maintenance is required with such a machine?

[@brentroman]

Your mic sounds great. I notice it has XLR out, but seems like you are connecting it direct to your computer or camera? Out of curiosity, what program are you using for your video&sound editing? ((Thanks. Great content as always))

[@Sprometheus]

Hi Brent, thank you. I do my best for sure always trying to get better. Currently I run a pretty simple program with audio. I record it using QuickTime, move the file into Final Cut Pro and put a compressor, and voice isolating filter on it. Comes out pretty clean. I’m definitely happy with it .

[@brentroman]

Slick! Obviously it works well. Thanks for the reply!@@Sprometheus

[@cruiser33]

Thoughts on how it compares to the ECM Synchronika? I know you were a little less positive on that one and found the interface to be cramped, the joystick knobs gimmicky, etc. I think the Pro600 is even smaller in front workspace. Of course the Synchronika is more expensive so demands more scrutiny. Putting price aside, any negatives from the Synchronika that are present on the Pro600? Conversely, anything from the Synchronika that you kinda miss on the Pro600?

[@pourliver]

So, did you use the 2 or 4 hole tip when foaming? I'm no barista and later art isn't my forte, but mine only came with a 2-hole tip, and it work wonders at max pressure. I had mine for a while and there are now some sediments in the brew water, and I'm not sure how to clean that myself... Overall, love my machine.

[@JPC326]

Whats the difference between this one and the new "Drive" ?

[@MBOoooOBM]

Any reason you’re setting the steam boiler to 1.5-1.6 bars instead of the advertised 2.0? Just wondering as a Pro 600 user myself 😅

[@nix9583]

Having no seal on the water reservoir is baffling to me.

[@LightZone9]

For a couple hundred more you can get a dual boiler with a rotary pump. This is a weird middle ground in the Profitec line up. At least they've gone to a more traditional wand design.

[@hokie85ee]

Hello - could you expand on your comment about the wand design? I'm considering this machine from WLL or CC and the machines are slightly different it seems. The WLL version with knobs has wands that stick out to the sides at odd angles it seems from the pictures. Is this what you are referring to?

[@LightZone9]

@@hokie85ee exactly.

[@gehtnurdurch]

Have the guys from Maro (Model 1) already made an offer to you for testing it? I hope they ruffle some feathers in the market.

[@Sprometheus]

They have not, can’t say I’ve even heard of it. Off to Google.

[@lowfuel6089]

​@@Sprometheusit looks to be pretty similar to the Decent, for slightly more money. Would be interested to see them compared!

[@gehtnurdurch]

For me it was always the noisy pumps keeping me from the Decent, so Maro with rotary pump is the final thing that was missing. Also the Price here in Germany is the same for Decent and Maro as I don’t have to pay tax on top like for the Decent. And repair would be obviously way easier as I do not have to ship overseas@@lowfuel6089

[@gehtnurdurch]

@@Sprometheus I think once the Maro Model 1 comes out (and everything works as promised) there will be few reasons to not get: if you don't want a digital interface, if you want to steam and brew at the same time, if you want something cheaper. Other than that it will have it all.

[@geronimoxxxxxcvx]

We own a Pro 700. But we had a wet kitchen floor a few times. It leaked from the drip tray and the tray was half empty the rest was on the floor and it has no holes in it. Yesterday i saw what happened. When you have a straw in a glass you can see the liquid in the straw rises above the level in the glass. Same happened here. At the aft side of the drip tray, the part that sits onder the front of the machine the dirty water creeps up between the tray and the lid of the tray. Once it overflows it sucks half the tray empty, Maybe it only happens when the water in the tray is quite dirty and really full. Did anybody also have this experience? I had numerous ECM machine and never had this problem.

[@kjkang11]

Have you noticed any better features or build quality for ECM? I get that they both seem to have good build quality

[@trojanhman8136]

Thank you, you mentioned a lot of good points. I was particularly interested in the difference between this type of steam joy stick and the one you rotate. I do have a general question. I have been told that ECM was the best brand and so I have mainly looked at that. My question is if you look through the entire range, from the cheapest to the most expensive, is there any difference at all with the expresso half of the machine? When looking at the cost of the machine, the range here in Australia is about $2300 aud to $5000 aud. Is that additional $2700 just focused on producing the steam milk, or is there some upgrade to the espresso side?

[@makesy-5327]

You’re pretty much on the money, the more you spend the more functionality you get. That’s partly to do with steaming as you move to dual boilers, and also electronic functions with pid, but ultimately your espresso is going to be quite similar if you know what you’re doing with a cheaper machine (in the ecm range you’re talking about). You’re also gaining function to produce larger quantities in a short period of time as you move up in the price point. For at home and making espresso only, don’t waste your money on the top end ecm machines

[@trojanhman8136]

@@makesy-5327 Thank you. I appreciate that. I know that there are additional functions but wondered about the internals of the machine. Thanks again.

[@makesy-5327]

@@trojanhman8136 no worries at all! I forgot to mention as well that if you’re only drinking espresso, consider a single boiler machine over a hx for better temperature stability. Hx is a good compromise if you drink milk based drinks as well but the temp varies a lot more, takes some practice and is still a bit of guess work even then. (i know this from experience because i have one, the izzo vivi flat)

[@trojanhman8136]

@@makesy-5327 I am thinking about the cafelat Robot. There is the flair but it is double the price. I have also been looking at second hand machines. I think that my living situation at the moment, I will probably go with the Cafelet Robot.

[@makesy-5327]

@@trojanhman8136 oh nice, i’ve heard good things about them. I had a la pavoni lever before my izzo and loved the lever, just got upgraditis lol. I also hated the lack of accessories having a non standard porta filter size though. I’d say if you’re going to keep it for a while, consider the flair 58 series to avoid that, but if not in your budget i’m sure you’d have a lot of fun and tasty shots with the robot!

[@LordLewsTheDragon]

Whole latte love is giving free flow control and $250 store credit when you buy this machine on their black friday sale. Just an FYI.

[@shrednut-gm9if]

whole latte love has entered the chat lol

[@LordLewsTheDragon]

@@shrednut-gm9if nah I just bought a different machine from them and thought their Black Friday sale was really great if you already wanted a Profitec, ECM, or one other brand I think (they are offering the free flow control on all three). Basically like getting $500 bucks off the purchase price but getting the 2% member rewards on the whole value, vs a discount code where you would get less reward bucks. Overall I thought it was a sweet deal worth sharing. Would have taken advantage of it myself but I wanted a machine that I could do all the nerdy espresso stuff I want to while my wife could use preprogrammed foolproof programed shots because she doesn't care and just wants simple. 🤷‍♂️

[@alanroderick7153]

Thank you

[@Sprometheus]

You’re welcome, and thanks for watching.

[@Cafu1887]

Compared to Rocket Mozzafiato or Giotto - it seems like, they cut the corners on build qual. IMO.

[@frederikmiddelhoff6721]

They do not. ECM/Profitec has way better internals

[@bluemystic7501]

Looks like a beast.

[@Sprometheus]

It definitely has a serious presence on the bar!

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

Presumably at 8 bar the pump wants a specific flow rate before the OPV kicks in. What is that? Where does the excess water go to? I would not buy a machine with a crude user interface to the settings as I would have to look up the manual when I infrequently changed something and I would feel uncomfortable about the machine not using modern engineering practices. I have grown used to a machine being equipped with a Smart Espresso Profiler which I find useful when dialing in a pre-infusion pressure and grind size.

[@frederikmiddelhoff6721]

Excess water goes to your tank again

[@TomJones-tx7pb]

@@frederikmiddelhoff6721 thanks! That is interesting because that means the machine could know the flow rate into the portafilter, which could very usefully be combined with flow rate out of the portafilter.

[@frederikmiddelhoff6721]

​@@TomJones-tx7pb I'm not sure you're getting how an E61 group works. It's just a continuous system. The pressure gauge you read on the machine is pressure at the pump, the gauge installed with flow control is pressure at the group head. If there's over pressure from the pump side, this will dump water in the system in your tank again. So you should ramp up OPV to let's say 10/11 bar if you're using flow control. Hope that answers your question.

[@Maybaby1959]

For the price it’s good

[@pongsing]

What about Pro 700?

[@BigTrip23]

If u had to choose between this new PP600 w/ Flow Control, the Lucca M58 w/ Flow control or the Lelit Bianca V3 which would be your recommendation Spro? Show me the way to that liquid gold... Lol!

[@Sprometheus]

I will almost always default to the Bianca V3. It’s such a pleasure to use, it looks great in the white or black finishes, it has a lot of programming options and most importantly a vibration pump. My Bianca is actually my daily kitchen machine. Paired with the Mignon Libra it’s a perfect kitchen combo. The only kicker is it’s at least $1,000 more, at least here in the states, than the PP600.

[@lesharbour]

​​@@SprometheusTypo check..you mean rotary pump for V3 😂 not vibe. I have one and love it.❤ Great review BTW. You're my go to man for coffee porn.

[@BigTrip23]

@sprometheus thank u sir. I'm more than willing to spend the extra $1K for the extra features and rotary pump. Funny enough I was also eyeing the Libra to with it. Seems like I was on the right track to greatness! Again, I appreciate your response. You're my fav coffee reviewer/enthusiast. Stay caffeinated, ponyboy.. lol!😂

[@Eddie_-_]

What’s the difference between ECM and Profitec?

[@arvinjacobmusic]

PROFITEC = Volkswagen | ECM = Audi

[@JonFairhurst]

I sensed more passion about the AeroPress than the machine you were reviewing. Nothing wrong with an E61 machine review, but I hope you can find topics that are more fun for you to explore.

[@dan110024]

Am I unreasonable in thinking a vibration pump doesnt belong in a $2400 machine?

[@frederikmiddelhoff6721]

Otherwise it would be 3k. So still a good price. And nothing against vibration pumps.

[@NotUrAvg_Joe]

I have a pro 500 and agree about the lack of tank cover - I frequently have to rinse it out. Walls of the tank get slimy otherwise.

[@paulk5735]

Can anybody confirm if the Profitec 600 produces better froth milk than the Profitec 500 for cappuccinos?

[@frederikmiddelhoff6721]

Both do great. No need to choose for that.

[@wakeawaken430]

For the price point that vibration pump is a foul for me

[@Sprometheus]

Yeah, I get that. Moving to the 700 which had a rotary takes it up to Bianca V3 range and that for me is best E61 bang for your buck out there.

[@wakeawaken430]

@@Sprometheus I agree, especially because you don't have to upgrade anything, flow control already build in etc

[@pspfreedom]

Hi Spro, I have a question regarding the temperature control, when I was researching for an espresso machine I noticed that Profitec tended to let you adjust the tank temperature but not the brew temperature so you had to go the manual and make converisons of "120C is 98C while brewing" and that sucked for me. Is that still the case for the 600? Thanks

[@aureliocastro6478]

Hey in the pro 600 you can adjust both boilers independently

[@hokie85ee]

I think you are referring to the conversion needed for most PID Heat Exchanger machines - like the Profitec's. Some Bezzera PID machines I've read have the brew temp adjustment estimate built into the what the PID displays, e.g. the Aria. This is a concern for me as well when trying to decide to upgrade from a Lelit Glenda PID to either HX or DB. I don't want my PID display to not show the actual brew temp that I'm so used to on my Lelit.

[@pspfreedom]

@@hokie85ee that is exactly what I mean, and I was hoping for that to be mentioned during the review :(

[@hokie85ee]

@@pspfreedom since this is not an HX machine it doesn't have this concern/issue. You set the brew temp just like a single boiler machine...and the steam boiler temp....I suppose the display alternates back and forth?

[@lowfuel6089]

Genuine general question: why have a bigger steam boiler than brew boiler? I would think the amount of water used to steam milk is a fraction of the water needed to pull shots.

[@chrisdturner]

A bigger steam boiler will lose pressure less quickly than a large one as you seem

[@noControl556]

Great review! I'm looking to move to the next step beyond the Gaggia Classic. I know I can do the mods, but also looking for better capacity boilers so shot temp and pressure stays more consistent. Ideally want stable temps with PID, even if not adjustable at least stays consistent, stable steam pressure, ability to pre-infuse, stable 9 bar pressure, adjustable would be nice but not required. would like to stay under $2k, any recommendations? I'm kind of doing the hacks/work arounds with the Gaggia by timing the switches and lights, etc. but not very consistent.

[@jaredtau3802]

BDB

[@thomasjoseph86]

I just upgraded to the Profitec Pro 500 from the Gaggia Classic and I’m loving it so far. If you do decide to make the jump, I can assure you, you won’t regret it :) If however you don’t upgrade, atleast get yourself a PID on the GCP - it’s a game changer

[@Sprometheus]

Thank you, and the Gaggia is a great machine but definitely requires temp surfing and lots of patience. As the other comment said the Breville Dual Boiler is a popular option that does what you mentioned. You can also look at the Rocket Appartamento or ECM Classika which are in the $2k range and solid machines.

[@noControl556]

To be fair you can't totally seal the water tank as it needs to vent to prevent vacuum lock, but I agree that way too open and should be some sort of vent line ideally with a basic air filter.

[@Sprometheus]

That’s true, not like air tight. But most machines have a least a cap or something that blocks most of the possible contaminants.

[@gehtnurdurch]

Another E61, ahhhhhh😩🤯

[@Sprometheus]

Haha there’s a lot of them out there.

[@bjfeerus]

☕☕☕ Love Is Important ❤ .....

[@Sprometheus]

Indeed my friend, thanks for watching!

[@nickkom7866]

We are waiting for the ES1 review

[@Sprometheus]

You won’t have to wait much longer. Drops next week.

[@mohammedalsane66]

Bianca ftw

[@Sprometheus]

I do love my Bianca V3, but it’s $1,000 more so it’s in a whole different segment in my opinion.

[@mohammedalsane66]

@@Sprometheus yeah for sure

[@diegomonzon]

container coffee vacuum

[@ozeltzex1]

Very will made machine, but E61 for SD/DB PID machines has no logic whatsoever.. Best for these machines is a brew boiler sitting above the group.

[@davidhunternyc1]

I hate the sound of vibration pumps. I get that they're smaller and affordable but give us rotary pumps, or hire Elon Musk to make a silent vibration pump. Just sayin'.

[@sonltt]

Boring machine

[@emmanuelvanderschelden9474]

This makes me feel really good about my Expobar Brewtus 4 which cost me €600 secondhand, and has all the same functionality as this, including easily adjustable OPV and PID, but has an even bigger brew boiler and thus better temp stability and performance. Both great machines, for me it is endgame. Only possible upgrade is the flow control kit 🥹

[@AL-gi5xj]

I am still considering the Expobar, even though everyone trashes it as a cheap Spanish machine. How long have you had it?

[@emmanuelvanderschelden9474]

@@AL-gi5xj not that long, like 1,5 year ago I bought it second hand. It is a no frills machine, built like a tank with thick metal all around, and it serves me right so far. It is much cheaper than comparable machines, so it does cut some corners. For example there is no way to know if the water is running low. You might start your perfect shot and suddenly the low water levels switch opens and the whole machine turns off 😅 but I think if you can find it for a good price, it is a awesome platform. It really has crazy stable temps, even compared to machine several times the price I paid for it.