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The Acolyte Reaction, Recap, Commentary, Analysis, Easter Eggs, Theories, Spoiler Review, & Ending Explained! Kelnacca lightsaber fight in In Episode 7 of The Acolyte, titled "Choice," the story takes a significant leap back in time to explore the events that unfolded on the planet Brendok 16 years prior. The episode begins with Jedi Masters Indara, Kelnacca, Sol, and Padawan Torbin arriving on Brendok in search of a mysterious "vergence," a powerful nexus of the Force. Initially, the Jedi are uncertain about the vergence's nature, but their mission takes a turn when Sol discovers two young girls, Osha and Mae, who are connected to the vergence. The episode reveals that the Jedi were sent to Brendok after a hyperspace disaster 100 years earlier, which left the planet barren. As the Jedi observe the girls and their connection to the Force, they discover that the twins were not born but created from the vergence. This revelation leads to a confrontation with the Nightsisters, led by Mother Aniseya and Mother Koril, who are responsible for the twins' creation.The episode explores the moral dilemmas faced by the Jedi as they grapple with the ethical implications of their actions. The conflict escalates when the Nightsisters, fearing the Jedi's intentions, take aggressive measures to protect the twins. In the climax of the episode, a tragic event occurs, resulting in the apparent deaths of the Nightsisters and the separation of the twins. The episode ends with the Jedi making a difficult decision to hide the truth from the Jedi Council to protect Osha and maintain order within the Jedi ranks. Episode 7 of The Acolyte delves into the complex relationships between the Jedi, the Nightsisters, and the twins, exploring themes of creation, destiny, and the consequences of one's choices.
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[@francisco_m7849]

Happy birthday, Greg

[@sikkouvol.1996]

You have brain rot if you actually like this show friend.

[@TonyMidyett]

Could you guys say "like" 95% less, please? Thanks!

[@martinhejtmanek2358]

@@sikkouvol.1996 And you are not his friend if you think you can impose your opinion on him and insult him. Friend.

[@MotherAlsaud]

People need to realize that the Coven was not evil and when you go from that viewpoint you realize that they were just a family trying to protect there children but also there way of life- They didn’t kill anyone they didn’t hurt anyone the only time they used there powers was always in defense never in trying to kill someone After Mother Aniseya was brutally murdered by Jedi Sol wrongfully that is when the Coven fighting still in defense but also in offense so that no other person would die- You can feel how you want to feel but Jedi Sol Jedi Torbin and the wooky Jedi we’re all in the wrong Carrie Anne moss was the only one who consistently tried to understand what was going on from a higher big picture view point But those Jedi after what they did should have all been stripped of there station and immediately removed from the Jedi order and the fact that they weren’t because they kept the secret for 16 yrs shows that they were corrupt and had fallen into darkness The witches were definitely innocent the Jedi came in like child protective services and instead of actually looking at the situation Sol just immediately said they were in danger all because he wanted a Padawan if you listen to Carrie Anne moss character She states and that’s why I have a Padawan and you don’t they made that scene jump out because they wanted the viewers to realize that Sol was jealous of not having a student to teach so much so that it clouded his judgment. Yes the witches lived differently but all three of the male Jedis were jumping to quick conclusions and making their own decisions At the end of the day aniyseya had made up her mind about letting osha go with the jedis there was no need for violence When she shouted out No it was her way of trying to stop the jedis and mother Koril from fighting and before that happened Sol yet again jumped to conclusions and killed her immediately making him the bad guy and darkening his spirit Everything after that moment was just a response to the jedis killing their leader but they never were in danger the ceremony wasn’t evil and neither were any of the witches They just did things differently

[@testtest-qm7cj]

So basically, master Sol was too rash, mother Koril was too belligerent, Mae was childish, Wookie is just too strong, and last but not least mother Aniseya lacked communication skills, IF ONLY she clarified why she was turning into a giant ghost crow beforehand!

[@jaxsonlambert9750]

I mean she didn’t really have time to explain when Torbin and mother Koril both had their weapons ready.

[@7thangelz]

if only Sol hadn't made his desperation for a padwan , none of this would've happened

[@MNGN101]

@@jaxsonlambert9750 You don't de-escalate a situation by turning into a demon.

[@kevinbernatek7875]

Exactly 😭😭😭

[@hanshotfirst4214]

Well mae is a child so ..yeah she will be childish

[@MrRosebeing]

"No, he's explaining the 16 years". "Oh, but through the form of a flashback". I must admit that I was hoping for him to explain the 16 years in the form of interpretive dance.

[@alexp601]

Or we could’ve just heard him telling her what really happened (maybe with some quick flashback scenes) instead of spending a whole episode retreading mostly what we already knew

[@MrRosebeing]

@@alexp601 I'd still go with the interpretive dance, personally, but you make a good point. They have to fill the series somehow, I guess.

[@alexp601]

@@MrRosebeing Sol to Mae: “To fully explain to you what really happened, I have brought along my good friend, Megan Thee Stallion.” *Begins twerking

[@TheMarkhq]

Fvcking funniest comment here 🤣 😂!! 10/10 for real.

[@thewerewolff7248]

@@alexp601 There’s a thing in storytelling called “show don’t tell”. Stuff like this is more impactful if you let your audience actually see it instead of just having characters talk about it.

[@rrivaso]

Mae misquotes Mother Aniseya when se talks about sacrifice with the Jedi, the actual quote was "Ascension is about walking through fear, is about sacrificing a part of yourself" not "Everyone must walk through fear, everybody must be sacrificed to fulfill their destiny" this is one of many misunderstood elements the makes Sol jump to the rushed conclusion that the coven is evil. Most of his actions in this episode are dictated by fear and a misguided belief that he needs to protect these children from something he doesn't even try to understand.

[@7thangelz]

i thought it was obvious that Mae got the words wrong, plus it should be a given when talking to children, that they will not convey things properly due to their age

[@Byronic19134]

Well the coven was evil and Mae was coached to lie.

[@francisco_m7849]

@@7thangelzthats why Indara kept telling Sol to chill because they were children and he did not have the full story

[@7thangelz]

@francisco_m7849 I'm convinced he also lied about Osha passing. Indara was very generous to not call him out

[@7thangelz]

@Byronic19134 lol, no And so what if they told their children to lie to strangers that mean to take them just because

[@GianfrancoGuerraPadilla]

Torbin's lightsaber move was impressive. It looked like Anakin's style while he was repelling the arrows.

[@therealt7368]

Because it was 😊

[@TR-ry1xv]

Why did Sol force lift the bridges instead of just the two 45 lb kids?

[@gsarngad]

I came here to say this. If he can hold up the bridges he could have pulled the two girls to him.

[@RaedViera]

Because of everything else in this show... bad writing

[@ThatBonsaipanda]

Size matters not, an old master once said. He couldn't focus because he was so distraught (if one wants to dig for an explanation).

[@CMCustom112]

Less lifting, more like holding in place... barely

[@duncanlandon2328]

We are 7 episodes in and you’re still surprised by how bad the writing is 😅

[@basicsimp8798]

Fear was the enemy here. Everyone acted of their worst fear and it ended up in disaster. Mother Anaseya and Master Indara were the rational ones here, sadly they didn't listen to them.... That's sad. 😢

[@sithddy7208]

Honestly, if somebody was actively turning into a smoke demon right before my eyes I’d use my lightsaber too

[@MNToThat]

Even smoke dies when you stab it in the belly... looking at you Sabine....

[@sudalaimuthu3312]

Of course because jedi didn't know what she try to do kill or stop

[@7thangelz]

after you invade my home,

[@Iceland_Siglufjordur]

아무 설명 없이 갑자기 저렇게 변신하면, 솔직히 나도 너도 우리도 요다도 찔렀을 거야.

[@hanshotfirst4214]

​@@MNToThateven a being that gets stabbed and doesn't get immediate medical attention can die yeah that's true. Sabine got instant medical attention. That in painfully obvious I fear

[@francisco_m7849]

Now that explains why Sol has trouble distinguishing between mae and osha. They share the same force signature there’s nothing to distinguish one from the other besides their personality their physical personality. If you try to force read them, it’ll be the same imprint.

[@fabian5813]

One Has a Tattoo on her forehead. the other doesn’t

[@WrambleOn]

@@fabian5813I paid close attention to that last episode. They did a good job of having her hide the tattoo.

[@francisco_m7849]

@@fabian5813 she’s purposely hiding it plus if you watch Sol he’s not paying attention to her face. He’s moving back-and-forth and thinking of other stuff.

[@francisco_m7849]

Since where the audience were detached, we have no investment in the scene so we are looking at everything that’s going on to pick up clues. So we’re not actually sitting in his position with everything that’s going on.

[@spookykouki8970]

If you physically hangout with twins separately, it’s pretty easy to tell who’s who from the way they act. Force isn’t needed to figure it out, it’s just common sense.

[@Midnight_7567]

I think that while Torbin's impatience to go home is the more central issue with him, I think running off to grab the kids directly is more a case of "Oh! We found the thing we've been looking for on this planet now lets grab it!"

[@sackthebastard]

Yeah we got that. It’s just such a silly motivation.

[@jillg9108]

Mae is 8 years old with the impulsiveness and lack of true understanding of consequences of actions. She seems to have to carry her actions as if she had an adult mind.

[@Rakk-z1w]

You do not have a brain if you are really trying to find sense in the writing

[@Midnight_7567]

@@Rakk-z1w that's a bit rude, there is sense on the writing, whether you choose to follow it and understand what's said is up to you

[@Nipc23]

@@Midnight_7567 indara is by far the worst and everyone is saying she was the voice of reason which she was but she’s the most senior Jedi and leader of the team and she ultimately failed she let Sol and her padawan run wild and people say “if they’d have listened to indara everything would be fine” and you’re totally correct but a leaders job is to make people listen, I really don’t wanna be that guy but if it was a man leading the team the question would be why does his team not listen to him he’s clearly not a good leader but because it’s a woman it’s oh my god all these men just undermined her and didn’t listen, terrible writing because they clearly don’t understand what a leader is

[@MimiTulane]

occurred to me during this rewatch that Sol's motivation in letting Mae fall was to get rid of the only witness that could tell the council how he murdered her mother. None of this had to transpire had the Jedi just collected their moss and minded their business. Going back to when Mae confronted Torbin, her first ultimatum was that Tobin go confess to the council the Jedi's part they played in it, but he chose to drink poison rather than admit they over stepped. As for the comments on Mae acting childish, well she was 8 years old, so a child being childish is what she was supposed to be. All the questions asked concerning her culture, how they were fathered etc was NONE of the Jedi's business! By their own rules the twins were too old to join the order, yet Sol continued to push. The witches submitted to their demands to test the girls. They saw the girls were willing to fail the test on purpose to remain with their family. But none of that mattered. It's the unmitigated gall on the Jedi's part that got me. Then to cover it all up, they let Mae become the scapegoat. Periodt. When Osha finds out it was Sol who killed her mama, she is going full on dark!

[@Dryltd]

You mean she may become The Acolyte. Nah. That would follow story telling tradition of thousand of years of human history. Disney writers wouldn't do that.

[@Angel-lt1sh]

Exactly! Of course, if you have a colonizers mindset none of this makes sense. The Jedi are definitely it the victims here

[@Exaris79]

That's why there's a Prime Directive with StarFleet not to interfere with the local races. It's obvious that Sol broke General Order #1 of the Federation's Prime Directive if the Acolyte was in the star trek universe.

[@michaeltessler]

This is such a good crossover comment hahah

[@Dryltd]

Now that is proper Nerd

[@GirlWithAStarEarring]

and that is why I will always be a trekkie over a star wars fan lol

[@AllGreyEverything]

It was my impression that Mother Aneseya made a vulnerable Torbin extra crazed to go home. She sensed that desire and pushed it, but it didn't manifest as she intended. She didn't think that he would find his excuse to go home in taking the twins, she perhaps just thought he would convince the other Jedi to leave. It's actually a pretty cool motivation because it makes the one who was advocating nonviolence and cooler heads at fault too. She mirrors Indara in that respect, who ends up doing something horrific despite her efforts to maintain peace. No hands were clean in this, except for those of the children who were being emotionally manipulated.

[@ComandoPadentro]

Yeah, like and extra Inception. I think that too.

[@Whispie]

Sol's fear of what he did not understand, his hubris, and his warped sense of destiny seemed to be the major catalyst of this disaster. It's why he killed Aniseya. Torbin feels like everything that happened is his fault. And it's kinda true. None of it would have happened if he didn't rush in.

[@borderlandish1140]

He killed her because she turned into a smoke demon 😂

[@Whispie]

@@borderlandish1140~ She was trying to protect Mae. Things were turning violent and she wanted to get Mae safe. Sol was on edge because he assumed Mae and Osha were in danger. He didn't understand what was going on. So he attacked. His irrational fear drove him to it. He felt like this was his destiny. To rescue the girls. But it wasn't destiny. It was hubris. A hero complex creating a threat that was never real. He could have taken Osha as his padawan without bloodshed.

[@therealOGGRIM]

​@Whispie If only everyone conveyed what they were thinking truly instead of acting an their instincts and fear, maybe things would've had an entirely different outcome.

[@Whispie]

@@therealOGGRIM~ There was a person with a level head leading both sides of this. If the coven listened to Aniseya and/or the jedi listened to Indara, everything would have been fine.

[@thisismyname3928]

👆🏳‍🌈

[@ReelRejects]

Im seeing people say this is the best, some are saying it's the worst episode...what's your take?!

[@davisjustin1313]

Good to get answers but a bit underwhelming. Still not terrible like some Star Wars "fans" have been saying since before the show came out. I'm having fun with this show and hoping the finale sticks the landing.

[@martincrabtree7378]

Trash

[@whitejosh444]

Complete garbage writing

[@almogdov]

That people are tiring.

[@angelmonster1995]

Vert bad

[@spookykouki8970]

Sol could hold up two bridges that weigh who knows how much, but couldn’t simply pick up Mae and osha instead, with the force? Cmon man.

[@frostedcrabcake1592]

You're forgetting how the force works. He was struggling with not only the events prior, but with the guilt he was also feeling. Focus and attention is what he lacked in that moment. Without that, you can't use it successfully.

[@spookykouki8970]

@@frostedcrabcake1592 so basically he lacked common sense?

[@frostedcrabcake1592]

@@spookykouki8970 Huh? No. Did you even read my comment? Sol went through the ringer mentally. It has nothing to do with common sense, rather his state of mind. Remember Luke training under Yoda? He couldn't lift his x-wing out of the swamp, not because he wasn't powerful (cause he definitely was) but rather he wasn't in the right mental state. He was frustrated, tired, and worried about his friends. Without a calm or focused mind in the Star Wars, using the force is difficult. Sol just killed the twins mother, who revealed that she was gonna let Osha leave with the Jedi. Not only did his rash actions get her killed and started the fighting, but he acted on fear. Which after fighting your friend and all of that happened, he simply didn't have what he needed. It's why he was able to save adult Osha easily with the force in the future, not only has he had more training, but he was calm.

[@verde5738]

@@frostedcrabcake1592 What a load of nonsensical copium.

[@casualfanatic4217]

@@frostedcrabcake1592so because of traumatic BS, Sol wasn’t in the right mindset to force lift the two girls but he was still able to lift the two heavy ton bridges?

[@AllGreyEverything]

The song was initially weird, but then I put it in the context of the Chinese dramas I watch. Songs that overtly touch on the themes of the show are standard, and they become huge pop hits. This one is by Victoria Monet.

[@Eziali]

Even Mae's misquote of what her mom said was such a great detail. But I would say the fact that Sol was so quick to belive that she was saying everyone correctly as a child is insane. She clearly had doubt about what she was saying by saying "I think" or "that's what Mama said". This is why getting a response from the council would have been worth waiting for. Because they may have suggested speaking to an adult and someone from the coven who could give them clarity on what Ascension was and that its not them drinking the Kool-Aid instead of Sol forcing his idea of what she said as truth and just making a rash decision.

[@Dryltd]

But Witches are Bad - Sol

[@terrymcginnis01]

I could not take Mae seriously when she was repeating what Mama said... "Mama says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush"

[@redcomet0079]

I thought this ep was gonna reveal that osha started the fire, not Mae. *Nope* it turns out Mae is just as self centered, selfish & delusional as we first thought

[@alexp601]

It was the most basics explanation of what really happened. There wasn’t much of any interesting going on

[@margolitapnina6716]

accident of a 8 years old. Well police come to your home and pretend to take your sister, and you, from your family. she is a witch so she burns the symbol of the Jedi, but as a 8 years old panic when she accidentally started a fire. Her mom thinks they have to defend Osha and the coven. how is she self-centred

[@redcomet0079]

@@margolitapnina6716 wow, what a terrible analogy. It was barely an “accident” 🙄 she purposely lit that book on fire

[@margolitapnina6716]

@@redcomet0079 are u blind? she immediately regretted it and did start a fire while freaking out🤣 I repeat 8 years old. too difficult right?

[@redcomet0079]

@@margolitapnina6716 Do you often come to defense of terrible characters making terrible character choices? 🤨 what a simpleton 😆

[@NikolasAmodeo]

I appreciate Indara saying some of the things the fans were saying, "that they're too young", that they shouldn't get involved, etc.

[@Elnont]

Lee Jung Jae has been awesome in every fight scene. One of the best Jedi fighters movement-wise I think we’ve had - it’s almost like he’s dancing.

[@aramisone7198]

There is a fan fiction film and the light saber fights is better then anything Disney has made those fans did a great job.

[@Elnont]

@@aramisone7198 that’s nice. My comment is about Lee Jung Jae’s performance of the choreography though, not Disney vs Fan Film fight choreography.

[@ThomasMees]

@@aramisone7198shut up

[@hohomon]

Every time Lee Jung-jae shows off his lightsaber dancing, I can't take my eyes off him.

[@boatymcboatface666]

Darth Maul, hold my beer!

[@MrBrock314]

Him being away from Coruscant for 7 weeks makes his homesickness kind of ridiculous considering he doesn't even have a family outside the Jedi. 7 weeks is not a long time.

[@alexp601]

They probably have good wifi in Coruscant

[@w10u1sg]

His desire to leave was turbo charged through mental manipulation by the witch queen

[@Barlofontain]

Probably had a new season of At Home with the Hutts to catch up on

[@Emerson_Grey]

But the dude has no problem meditating in silence for almost 2 decades… not in Coruscant.

[@Orquis]

Almost 2 months is not a long time for you ?? If I was a teenager in the middle of nowhere for that long I’d probably just end it 😭 but I wouldn’t say he has no family to go to when he probably had friends who are like his family

[@GoldenEclipsed]

Most of the double scenes were to show what sol saw and what caused him to misinterpret what was gonna happen.

[@Dryltd]

They know that but modern critics want scenes to always present new information. I would love to watch modern critics pull their hair out watching old westerns. Slowest movies ever with repeat scenes galore.

[@MrHootiedean]

Happy Birthday Greg! "You come here, on my daughter's ascension..." had me in tears! Loved: the performances (especially Carrie-Anne Moss and Jodi Turner Smith). Meh: Tobin's motivation. Hated: how on the show and in real life, everything would be fine if folks just minded their own damn business. I love this show. As a casual Star Wars fan, this is my favorite of the ones I've seen.

[@mrvoltar]

Dude, I love camping but 7 weeks of it would turn me to the darkside too, probably.

[@Imri_Cantaros]

One week is enough for me 😂

[@ayezoop884]

Fight choreography always on point👌 idk why it was so cool seeing Torbin spin the light saber all fast deflecting all the arrows, new found respect for the character

[@Piratesi666]

Its good to see you guys form your opinions in a normal and healthy manner. You know, by watching it first and then formulating your thoughts. Seems like its a trend to watch reviews and make reviews before you watch the show.

[@DestroIABM]

Somewhere there is a cut of episodes 6 and 7 where OSHA and Mae learn this at the same time from each of their captors and realize they've been manipulated

[@Dryltd]

I hate characters telling me something they could just show. Their reactions are not that important. Osha will be upset. Mae has no reason to change her position. Now that I write this that's a problem for the Mae character.

[@DestroIABM]

@@Dryltd it is. Mae didn't need to hear this, Osha did. This structure is so weird to me.

[@francisco_m7849]

No, here’s an interesting take on my part. We are used to Jedi when they have an actual physical conflict coming straight for them. We had it with Luke in the original trilogy, we had it with the Jedi council with the rise of the Empire and the prequel trilogy, we had it with Rey And the Emperor in the last trilogy. This miniseries, we are shown what Jedi do when there’s no conflict they are just roaming the galaxy, checking on things and seeing where the force is influencing change in the galaxy. You got yourself a young Padawan who is out doing soil sampling in the far regions of the galaxy. Do you not think the guy is not going to be back crap crazy because these ones are not like Kool-Aid drinking followers they are just regular beings who have emotions whether they are trained by the Jedi or not you put somebody out there in the middle of nowhere without years and years of training they are going to go bat crap crazy. I like this concept that they did here because honestly up to this point the Jedi to me have always been a very militant indoctrinated society they can show no weakness whatsoever. Now what this show does it show us that? Hey, these are just all children raised in a certain Belief system and not all of them, which I believe in the books they explore this not all of them can handle it. So far, I don’t have a problem with the over arching concept of what they’re trying to say execution has a bit of issue, but I don’t hate what they are trying to say or do.

[@ZachBobBob]

The song at the end certainly was a choice. I noped out of it the second I realised what it was. People often say a lot of things aren't Star Wars but contemporary pop R&B music is NOT Star Wars.

[@chrisretzlaff2895]

Except in the special edition Return of the Jedi, they were playing the hits in Jabbas palace

[@ZachBobBob]

@@chrisretzlaff2895 I mean that scene is infamous and people don't love that either

[@Omnidudes]

If you dont like the show then dont watch. There are many of us who do like it and we dont need that negativity here

[@ZachBobBob]

@@Omnidudes Don't be so dramatic and presumptuous. I stated ONE thing I didn't like and that means I hate the whole show? I'm a huge star wars defender but just because we like things doesn't mean we can't critique them

[@LadyBeyondTheWall]

@@Omnidudes Good god, this is becoming a problem. People are allowed to critique the show they're watching! Why, all of a sudden, is critiquing a show now met with "if you dont like it don't watch! negativityyyy!"??

[@ralphrabago4957]

the failure of one the failure of two the failure of maaaaaanyyyyyyy

[@stalematesibling]

HEY, MANNY IS THE BEST PART OF THIS SHOW!

[@Rob_Himself83]

I love how they all died swaying like idiots. 😂

[@stalematesibling]

@@Rob_Himself83 so you're still watching?

[@Rob_Himself83]

@@stalematesibling No. The episode was only about 40 minutes. I finished watching about 20 hours ago...

[@stalematesibling]

@@Rob_Himself83 so you're still wtahcing

[@path5657]

I think people forget that something doesn't need to be perfect for people to enjoy it...

[@kevint1196]

Wow so we spent 180 Millions on this so it doesn’t need to be great….

[@path5657]

@@kevint1196 didn't say that...? Budgeting is a different subject entirely loll

[@rollingstar1111]

I'd settle for mediocre at this point. This is worse than The Book of Boba.

[@verde5738]

And you forget that just because someone likes something, doesn't mean that it's good. This show is utter trash from an objective standpoint.

[@ecksearoh6283]

Torbin was a teenager stuck in the boonies during boring shit for seven weeks. Of course he wanted to leave.

[@harrisonplott4674]

right? 7 weeks on a previously uncharted planet to research vegetation and wildlife. at that age im sure he wanted more action and glory id be homesick and bored too

[@spencerrr9878]

Right like imagine being that age and mostly living in what amounts to very very expensive university or city full time for your whole life and then being forced dig up moss on easter island for 2 months 😂 id be foaming at the mouth to gtfo too

[@harrisonplott4674]

@@spencerrr9878 i feel likey duped themselves into it being more

[@Dryltd]

Anakin hated Sand. Torbin hates camping. These seem like reasonable concerns from magical wizard children.

[@IggyStardust1967]

This episode literally backs up what I've been saying since episode 3: "From a certain point of view" is the entire point of the story.

[@Dryltd]

From a certain point of view I understand what you are saying.

[@eunicesantana443]

Sol's Terrible Horrible No Good Very Bad Day 😬

[@Eziali]

Wow I will say while the Jedi are not the villians or wrong per say as a whole this episode really showed how Sol jumped the gun and assumed many things without either properly checking or asking those who had detailed answers. He is partially the cause for how serious everything got and is why Osha and Mae's mama died when she was just trying to help. This makes me think that Mae and Osha will have different reactions than we think to this information next episode. And there will be either a massive fallout/fight between two being Mae/Sol and Osha/ Qmir or just between Mae and Osha.

[@Mcherri]

I kinda want osha to switch and just go full sith let those emotions show but she doesn’t snap out of it and she and Qimir escape and osha tells sol to never look for her again.

[@tarafauver2816]

That’s a big issue with this they advertised the show as something that will show the Jedi in a more negative light and show the sith persecution this is making me agree more with the Jedi rather than the sith

[@smokinjoe4709]

I disagree, I think Sol is the only sane one. The rest are batshit crazy wanting to leave two created, highly force-sensitive children, with a group of wacked out witches practicing dark-side magic. Hell no, those kids are coming with us!

[@Dryltd]

@@smokinjoe4709 I disagree. The Sith haven't been seen for 900 years. What's the problem? And one of the children wants to go with us. Calmly ask for the child and we can circle back to this later once we have more information. Sol needs to chill. Children are enslaved on multiple planets. This is not even on the priority list.

[@smokinjoe4709]

@@Dryltd Are you crazy, both of those girls are potential dark vaders, this needs to be dealt with right now. Sol is the only one with a clue, the rest are idiots.

[@Mertaranta]

So basically everything happened out of fear and prejudice, like many things in real history. Hmm, I kind of like this approach to the plot.

[@Whispie]

Indara was incredibly wise. If the others followed her lead, everything would have been fine.

[@Nipc23]

I see people say this but is she not the reason for the entire cover up sol was clearly wanting to be truthful and come clean I’ve never seen a Jedi say “lie in this situation as it’ll give you the best outcome” she’s the worst in my opinion also in charge of the mission lets her padawan be possessed and then run back to the witches coven because he wants to go home

[@wanderingseth]

When you put it like that, it's quite a powerful life lesson - to always be patient and exercise restraint

[@thisismyname3928]

🚫

[@kihouou1295]

@@Nipc23 I agree but Anakin allowed Ashoka to run off to and during war with the ability to yank her back with the force and didnt. Also, just because they are a teacher, doesnt mean they are leader worthy for a group task of this nature. Especially when there dealing with first contact like this. Indara was probably better suited for a resource gathering mission leadership role such as this than diplomatic instances so things spiraled out of control and with everyone viewing her as the most level headed and wisest, diverted to her for guidance when in her head she is probably "Ok, stay calm. What do I do? How can i make this work without fighting?" She obviously has never been in that big of a leadership role before. These things happen when trust upon you especially when something big like this is just put on your shoulders. Also i just always viewed the Jedi as they all deal with a more conformity style religion and expect everyone to be this patient and calm individual that when someone deviates, there honestly confused and hesitiant. Once they calm down, the think through punishment. I think this is why Indara didnt know what to do in the moment and why things turned out the way it did. Probably also never went through this before so... life lessons.

[@MrTragedious986]

Poor Torbin and Master Kelnacca, they are going to have PTSD for their lives.

[@Swifter2020]

Uh

[@MrTragedious986]

@@Swifter2020 I know they are dead, but still.

[@Dergo666]

That's exactly it, that's why Kelnacca went into isolation and Torbin felt like all of this was on him and his impatience. That's not even mentioning how traumatic it must be to have your mind taken over and attacking his friends. That will have an effect on people that is not positive.

[@affiqothman]

I am having PTSD

[@francisco_m7849]

This is yet another freaking Star Wars Hill I am willing to die on. Ever since I kept re-watching the original trilogy over and over again over the years, I always came to the conclusion that the force is one encompassing energy that exist in the Star Wars universe. It is so strong that you can easily tap into it with, strong negative emotions creating desire for the power or you can tap into it and just learn to use it without losing yourself to desire so it’s all a matter of the balance within you tapping into a power source. Other words the force is not dark and light good and evil. It’s just energy. How do you access it is, all based on the user. With that in mind, I think that the concept of the vergence, which is stupid, it just a hotspot of force energy that exist in different parts of the galaxy this planet happens to be a hotspot of force energy. What they are trying to say is that in the history of the Star Wars galaxy they have literally indoctrinated themselves everyone into thinking the forces good or bad, light or dark. I have yet to see on film, have not read any books or comics, Anyone use a balance of the force like the true nature of the force it’s always a struggle between good and bad, but I haven’t seen anybody who has struck a control of the full power of the force at least to my interpretation of the films. If that’s where they’re trying to lean towards with Rey then OK no problem. It just seems to me that constantly there is this issue with Star Wars where it’s either good or bad and nobody understands anybody’s point of view.

[@Amigmamale]

Dang, I'm seeing comments that slightly critique the show disappear before my very eyes, gotta make sure Disney is happy:)

[@gogadantes8699]

19:31 Sol: "Girls! The bridge is going to collapse! Run back and step off!" 💁‍♂️

[@Dryltd]

Sol: "Girls stop pointing at each other and get off the bridge!"

[@thelmctodaythelmctoday4037]

They made Torbins suicide absolutely pointless

[@Brook11223]

The Nighsisters possessing Kelnacca's mind with Indara coming to the rescue by removing the mind control brought back to The Matrix Reloaded with Neo stopping the Sentinels as they were about to kill him, Trinity and Morpheus.

[@jordanwhite352]

I dont want the drugs that you're on.

[@ecksearoh6283]

Nightsister is a slur, those are just witches.

[@kellz9972]

The end credits song reminded me of Alan Wake 2. Whenever you complete a chapter a song plays that sort of encapsulates the chapter and story beats you just played through.

[@statixfear]

Man... that Indara scene killing off all the witches thru the Force kinda reminds me of the scene in Multiverse Of Madness, when Scarlet Witch killed Professor X. Subtle, but brutal 💀

[@alexp601]

Scarlet Witch snapped his neck right up close to the camera. Not really subtle. And not really like the witches dropping dead.

[@statixfear]

@@alexp601 True. Though we only saw the external representation of what happened to the witches unlike Scarlet Witch snapping the neck inside Charles's head. I wonder what it would have looked like if they showed a representation of what Indara mentally did with the witches 🤔

[@RBernsCarter]

I didn’t think she killed them, just knocked them out having used so much power. I assumed they were then killed by debris/fire

[@Jehphg]

people are too quick to blame her imho, at that point it was just self defence, the witches had it coming

[@starhawk63]

I don't think Indara was trying to kill the witches, just trying to break their hold on Kelnacca.

[@kilohawke4648]

yeah… this is why the Jedi should have body cams 😭

[@rogersjgregory]

Those witches had it coming. The Jedi could have handled things better, but the witches struck first, messing with Torbin, then getting armed and ready to fight them, then Osha and Mae’s mother does some crazy shit. Sol acted in self-defence, but not saving Mae is some dark shit. Good on you Sol, you’re the man.

[@smokinjoe4709]

Not only that but they created two force sensitive children and are teaching them the dark-side - sorry, but that = time to die!

[@Dryltd]

You must support Police doing search seizure without a warrant. Here in Texas you don't walk into my house with a gun uninvited. Be thankful I only controlled your mind to want to leave.

[@smokinjoe4709]

@@Dryltd It's star wars not real life, get a grip.

[@Dryltd]

@@smokinjoe4709 I have a grip. When someone says something "had it coming" I want to know how far that thinking will go for them. The Jedi are the Senate's police. So what part isn't about Star Wars. Just because you have no good counter nor joke counter. Maybe you had it coming to read my comment. Maybe that's your punishment.

[@TWD77710]

Complete Canon Knowledge on the Force according to my own notes after this episode: Force Nature: Cosmic Force(Time, Space) creates the universe (galaxies) and Midi-Chlorians(first-life), which spread and create rest of life, which generates Living Force(Life Energy), which replenishes Cosmic Force and allows existence of universe to continue as a cycle. Living Force can be unbalanced by Force Users dividing it between Light and Dark, disrupting the replenishing cycle that keeps the galaxy alive. All organic sentient beings can use Living Force and speak to Cosmic Force, but potential depends on Midi-Chlorian amount and control. Midi-Chlorians attach to normal living beings and their functional birthed clones, but not to dysfunctional replica clones which have no Life Energy. This makes them nearly impossible to artificially harness or replicate, as Moff Gideon and Darth Sidious learned through failed science. Sidious failed to make a replica clone with functionality(due to loss of Kaminoan cloning expertise) and Midi-Chlorian attachment, had to resort to using essence transfer to store his consciousness and constantly fading Life Energy in multiple dysfunctional replica bodies upon his death. Took years to travel as an essence to Exegol and actually do this. Later, he began manipulating an amalgam of DNAs with residual Midi-Chlorians(Snoke) to prepare Ben Solo as a living host for his essence. He was simultaneously aware that his functional birthed clone(Dathan) had created a force sensitive daughter(Rey). Sidious wanted her killed due to her threat level but when Ben Solo became attuned to the lightside, he decided to try to use Rey as a host instead. However, he would also discover that a force dyad had brewed between Ben and Rey, which he used to replenish his own dysfunctional replica clone through the darkside force ability drain. However, he was eventually permanently destroyed by Rey and many Jedi Force Spirits in this form too(no host ever allowed access to his essence and he had no dysfunctional replica clones left). Knowledgeable Force Users are also capable of manipulating Midi-Chlorians to create life in a certain manner(Sith experiments of Darth Plagueis and twin creation by Coven of the Thread Witches). But if this manipulation affects the replenishing cycle of balance in any way, the Cosmic Force retaliates against those happenings(direct activation of the Chosen One prophecy). Force History: Three Celestials(The Ones///Mortis Gods) originating from the planet Peridea become the first force users, as well as the most powerful. They become interconnected with aspects of the Living Force(Father is Balance, Son is Dark, Daughter is Light), directly affecting the force itself as Force Avatars. With help from Cosmic Force they seemingly create World Between Worlds, a conduit Force Realm that grants aspects of the Cosmic Force but only accessible through their presence, connection, or knowledge. They also teach Zeffo and Dathomiri Witches about magick force usage. Eventually they bring extreme chaos and imbalance (reason the Zeffo and Dathomiri Witches flee their galaxy through the Purrgil or go dormant if they remain, ending the Witch Kingdom but establishing the various Witch and Zeffo descendants in the main galaxy), so the Father and Cosmic Force create conduit Force Realm Mortis to serve as the cage for him and his children as he keeps them in control for ages. Eventually other force users come to exist, like the Jedi(Light) and the Sith(Dark). Cosmic Force decides it needs a contingency plan against Force Users and prophecizes the rise of a mortal to create balance, the Chosen One(Anakin Skywalker). Father discovers this, and by extension also the Jedi. Cosmic Force further continues to work towards balance by creating Force Entities such as Bendu, Morai, Loth-Wolves, and Force Priestesses to assure their knowledge positively aids Force Users (such as Jedi learning how to become a Force Spirit). Ages later the prophecy activates after direct imbalance resulting from Sith Midi-Chlorian manipulation , and the Chosen One is conceived by Cosmic Force. He eliminates the Mortis Gods with the Father's help, which eliminates their possible imbalance, and then later brings further balance by affecting the amount of power the Jedi and Sith reach(Order 66, Fall of the Empire, Total Destruction of the Sith). Force Abilities: --Miscellaneous: Physical Enhancement(Mobility, Jump), Levitation, Flight, Mind Manipulation(Control Tricks, Probing, Debilitation, Memory Wiping), Telekinesis(Pushes, Chokes), Vision(premonitions), Shapeshifting(switching body appearance), Dyad(two Force Users temporarily connecting through same Life Energy which allows sharing of consciousness and uncontrolled teleportation) --Lightside: Heal(cures body systems by sharing amounts of Life Energy), Shield(blocks physical attacks) Deflection(reflects force attacks), Echo(recalls past events), Nature Manipulation, Projection(physical extension of Life Energy), Essence Ascension(become a tangible Force Spirit after physical death by keeping all your consciousness and Life Energy) --Darkside: Lightning(electric expulsion), Stasis(freeze matter in place), Infection(shuts down body systems), Essence Transfer(moves consciousness and a diminishing Life Energy to another host after physical death, which will fade away in time unless host is living and not a dysfunctional replica clone, this means user will need to be allowed access by living host first and then eliminate their consciousness to gain THEIR Life Energy), Drain(steal Life Energy to attach Midi-Chlorians to the host while removing them from the enemy), Alchemy(Superficial Force Realm Access, Illusions, Flame Attacks) --Magick: Resurrection(animating dead beings), Controlled Teleportation(instant travel), Mutation(body enhancement), Mind Melding(while still alive, users can forcefully share a consciousness with another host, this severely exposes their Life Energy and may easily die as a result), Possession(allows consciousness to thrive without Life Energy after physical death by forcefully attaching to a host or object), Sorcery(Voodoo, Energy Manipulation)

[@fabian5813]

I have a feeling Tessler can be excited by watching One Blade Of Grass Grow, and he’ll be in shock and realize it’s a reference or metaphor for something

[@Jehphg]

I have a feeling you'l die alone melting on a sofa somewhere unloved and abandoned by everyone that matters

[@michaeltessler]

Interestingly enough, in the no longer canon Knights of the Old Republic series...at the Khoonda Outpost near the Jedi Enclave there is an abnormal blade of grass that is later seen in the 2003 animated Clone Wars...OH I think I see your point

[@fabian5813]

@@michaeltessler 😂

[@brewhaggins]

I'm probably trying to put together something that isnt there, but im starting to wonder if the way mai and osha's personalities clash and the way they act is actually because of them not having access to the opposite spectrum of emotions. Mai has all the traits of selfishness/anger/pride and osha is more attuned to empathy/friendship/hopefulness. It would be kind of interesting on paper if that was thier original intent, but let's face it, if that was the case they dropped the ball. At least the series had some cool action scenes lol

[@duck-ew5zs]

Man, I just wanna see Qimir beat up more Jedi. Hope we get a 1v1 with him and Vernestra in the next episode. Again, the action is the part of this show that just keeps pulling me back lmao, Wookie Jedi performing a jump attack is just sick

[@starhawk63]

😄😄😄 MICHAEL: "You come to me on the day of my daughter's Ascension..." 😄😄😄🥰

[@michaeltessler]

I aim to please

[@ManLikeBetty]

Torbin taking Mae's blood sample through her clothes bothered me way more than it should...

[@copuim_dealer]

Same

[@alexp601]

It shows that the production and creators really didn’t care about what happens or how it happens

[@lifeasafanpodcast9529]

Reminded me of anything startrek everytime they give a hyperspray

[@AllGreyEverything]

EpiPen style!

[@wanderingseth]

If mosquitoes can bite me through my merino t-shirts, I'm sure their tech is up to the task :)

[@ilhadi]

Qimir wanted a pupil, Sol wanted a padawan. They are much more alike after all.

[@wanderingseth]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY GREG YOU GORGEOUS MAN! I'm enjoying the show, but I'm a fantasy fan not a Star Wars fan. I like the witches and I wish they hadn't just been wiped out. I was glad they showed that it was an electrical fire that spread, because I was so confused how a seemingly stone structure could burn. If you see the Jedi as the dominant organised religion, their tendency to kill witches and see any alternative spiritual power as evil is sadly consistent with our own history.

[@nathandavis9385]

Force sensitivity only works when writers want something specific to happen.

[@Secretbandx]

I am still wondering why he is telling all of this to the evil twin? Thats how the previous episode ended, he was talking to the bad one. She was there for all of this, she knows already?

[@LaurindaBellinger]

same. Mae knows more truth than Osha! And how that fire spread in rock is still a mystery.

[@Dryltd]

@@LaurindaBellinger Electrical fire through the cable passages. Poor engineering is not new to Star Wars. They have fire in space. This is SciFi fantasy from a person who grew up watch Flash Gordon.

[@Dryltd]

He clearly wants to explain how Wrong her mother was to turn into Smoke in front of a scared Jedi. And that it was all a mistake and misunderstanding that he really really regrets. You are tied down because the whole killing your mother thing I recognize is not the best starting point for understanding.

[@SingularityShaman]

I feel like so much of this was written so you almost have to be able to read far into it to find it compelling. For instance, recognizing that the only reason Sol stabbed Aniseya was because he didn't have enough familiarity with her culture and their relationship with the force, combined with his accelerated fear and reactivity. That message makes sense, and it's why a lot of people act crazy towards those they don't understand. However, unless someone knows how to perceive that, that moment makes no sense. I feel like good script writing and directing makes those elements very clear and more engaging so it's not lost on the audience. It seems so much of this show was written from a place of, "Lets see who gets it" instead of, "Lets make this clear and awesome at the same time". This is a common problem with writers who assume everyone will think and perceive the way they do. A writer needs to be able to see where people who think and perceive differently may miss something, and adapt the writing to cover that. This series just doesn't feel like it does that. So many elements in this show could be so much fun, if just written in a more engaging way, and with greater audience inclusivity. It's almost as if the producers don't know how to put themselves into other people's shoes, but assume the audience should somehow see things from their perspective. That doesn't work when making good content. You have to really meet the audience first, and then make clear connections with what's being presented so it's relatable, while making sure it's actually fun and engaging. To be fair, there might be many behind the scenes reasons for the show feeling so flat. However, if only a relative few who read deeply enough into it can enjoy it, I consider that a loss.

[@Vulcanerd]

Maybe someone who’s been on tours of duty will be more sympathetic to Torbyn’s desire to go home?

[@jaryncovell2538]

The kid got the phrase from her mom wrong. She said they must "be sacrificed" but her mom said everyone must sacrifice a part of themselves for the coven, as in you must give up selfish desires so you only do things for the good of the coven.

[@brandonbaerga4972]

She literally becomes a space demon and expects not to get attacked on top of that the witches were at fault first

[@trey1sandoval]

No they weren’t and she wasn’t going to be threat to them so yes…. Sol made a mistake

[@ThunderCrey]

How were they at fault? The Jedi literally broke into their compound against the High Council’s orders lol The witches were just rightfully protecting their children. Just bc they are Jedi doesn’t give them the right to do whatever they want

[@Jehphg]

@@ThunderCrey they clearly did something messed up to get the children, kept going by stepping all over their agency when raising them in a cult as well, there's more to this. Also super trigger happy to mentally control people and kill them with abandon

[@Imri_Cantaros]

What? The jedi literally invaded their peaceful life ignoring the council orders.

[@straightuphating1013]

​@@Imri_CantarosYes but then she needs to explain osha is leaving peacefully so you can leave and not turn yourself and a young child into a mist Demon which could be dangerous to the child so , don't blame sol for reacting in that way do blame the Jedi for acting rash and stupid for no reason,is their word not Good enough to convince the counsel and blood samples

[@aliengranpa]

Anybody else get pedophile vibes from this episode?? Sol's instant obsession with OSA was downright creepy.

[@MotherAlsaud]

People need to realize that the Coven was not evil and when you go from that viewpoint you realize that they were just a family trying to protect there children but also there way of life- They didn’t kill anyone they didn’t hurt anyone the only time they used there powers was always in defense never in trying to kill someone After Mother Aniseya was brutally murdered by Jedi Sol wrongfully that is when the Coven fighting still in defense but also in offense so that no other person would die- You can feel how you want to feel but Jedi Sol Jedi Torbin and the wooky Jedi we’re all in the wrong Carrie Anne moss was the only one who consistently tried to understand what was going on from a higher big picture view point But those Jedi after what they did should have all been stripped of there station and immediately removed from the Jedi order and the fact that they weren’t because they kept the secret for 16 yrs shows that they were corrupt and had fallen into darkness The witches were definitely innocent the Jedi came in like child protective services and instead of actually looking at the situation Sol just immediately said they were in danger all because he wanted a Padawan if you listen to Carrie Anne moss character She states and that’s why I have a Padawan and you don’t they made that scene jump out because they wanted the viewers to realize that Sol was jealous of not having a student to teach so much so that it clouded his judgment. Yes the witches lived differently but all three of the male Jedis were jumping to quick conclusions and making their own decisions At the end of the day aniyseya had made up her mind about letting osha go with the jedis there was no need for violence When she shouted out No it was her way of trying to stop the jedis and mother Koril from fighting and before that happened Sol yet again jumped to conclusions and killed her immediately making him the bad guy and darkening his spirit Everything after that moment was just a response to the jedis killing their leader but they never were in danger the ceremony wasn’t evil and neither were any of the witches They just did things differently

[@MasonGrant0704]

Kathleen Kennedy must have a lot of hate in her heart for George Lucas and Steven Spielberg after watching what she has done to Star Wars, Indy and even poor little Willow.

[@radecstark3191]

Jedi trespass witches home twice star wars fan " Y did the witches get hostile"?

[@Piratesi666]

If your neighbours kid is screaming and sounds like its in danger, your saying you wouldnt go round and check it out?

[@Dryltd]

@@Piratesi666 Except No one was screaming. They showed you the scenes twice. That never happened. Your analogy is flawed. Adjust please.

[@Piratesi666]

@@Dryltd It was an analogy, not like for like situation.

[@nathanrivera4953]

The witches violated torbins mind the first interaction they had when the Jedi clearly came in peace and wanted to just talk. The Jedi could have justifiably attacked them right there, but they didn't.

[@Piratesi666]

@@nathanrivera4953 “A Jedi uses their powers for knowledge and defence, never attack.”

[@Iwillone]

New Rockstars caught it think, that the way Torbin was reflected the mining planet he came from which is why he was an easy target.

[@justinporter7818]

I understand people liking this show, but you can’t go away from this episode saying it’s good, especially with one left,

[@thenerdywave2007]

Good Reaction Greg and Michael! The Wookie fight scene in this episode was cool! 👍

[@Vulcanerd]

I liked this episode well enough including the fact that we know why Indara was not for training Osha as well as now there’s an interesting connection with Sol and Qimir; both want/wanted a student.

[@sinisterplank3113]

NGL, nice to see lightsaber twirling that looks good, and effective. With multiple projectiles coming in from different angles, it makes sense to have those fast twirls. I'm enjoying the fight choreo in this show a lot. Especially seeing more physicality, more grapples, punches and force use in combination with the saber. I also feel like most of this boils down to a lot of people acting on bad assumptions, poor information and gut reactions. Honestly a very human situation.

[@jaxsonburch-eo1vz]

I’m not trying to start an argument but can someone who likes this show please tell me why?

[@borderlandish1140]

If they say the writing they are trolling 😂

[@leighwhite6700]

I'm not impressed so far. It's ok. The story is ok. Repeating the same scenes. Yawn. Makes me sad. I was waiting so long. 😞 It may get better. 🤷‍♀️ I think it's the acting of Sol (he is a good actor... his voice just seems so forced lol) and the homesick Padewan from GOT😐 but I have HOPE. 😊

[@margolitapnina6716]

I find it unique/very different from anything I'be ever seen in SW and like the characters

[@borderlandish1140]

@@margolitapnina6716 but why did Tornin off himself he didn't do anything wrong but want to go home 😂 . The wookie didn't either he was mind controlled . Yes it's very different from the rest of Star Wars because the Jedi are the bad guys lol.

[@lifeasafanpodcast9529]

For me it's starwars dipping their toes into a non Skywalker saga .. yes I wish this series just focused on darth bane and drew karpshyn's trilogy of books.. but honestly showing jedi who are flawed makes sense to me ..yes we are 100 years prior the prequels so they are showing how ego driven the jedi truely were..

[@chgamer2445]

Indara "unplugged" the witches from the wookie. Matrix reference 🤔

[@jjh5374]

This is where I have to leave Reel Rejects. While I believe Greg and his “I love everything the Star Wars does!” friend liked the episode, this is just a prime example of why access and invites to premieres, etc eventually corrupt even those with the best intentions. I used to come to the channel for Greg’s well thought out critical thinking on content, but the actuality was that that type of analysis was on a timer. The Studios know what they’re doing, and their strategy works. Can’t fault them for buying these type of channels. Look at NR, they invited Eric to meet the show runner and , he loves the show. Greg, you used to be really entertaining and I thank you for that. Good luck in the future with your current direction.

[@michaeltessler]

I really haven't enjoyed this series despite my best efforts

[@ThatBonsaipanda]

The end titles song will sound very holiday specialish in 20 years. It already does.

[@NotSoSvenn]

that speeder bike had me dying.

[@ZachBobBob]

It looked so bad and it had to be intentional

[@alexp601]

When Sol comes to a stop on the bike, the animation freezes for the last few frames before the scene cuts. It shows how bad the quality of the production of this show was

[@OrionInSpace]

I think they wanted to match what the speeder bike scenes looked like in the OT trilogy. Not saying that was a good idea but I think that’s what they went for.😅

[@OrionInSpace]

@@ZachBobBobsee my comment above for why it was probably intentional

[@ZachBobBob]

@@OrionInSpace Yeah this is why I said it had to be intentional but it does not look good. When those artists did what they did for the original trilogy they were trying their absolute best with the technology they had available to them at the time. We can do so much better now but instead we're making things look shoddy on purpose for what? Nostalgia?

[@EyeStorrm]

I kind of want to see more of Indara-Torbin's dynamic as master and apprentice. I'm surprised that Indara was the reasonable one here, while the previous flashback episode seemingly implied otherwise. And of course, being the reasonable one, she wasn't being heard by Sol and Torbin who acted rashly.

[@WayneJones-l5q]

confirmed, the jedi were the hero of the story, they were not going to take the children per the council even if they were being trained in a strange way, they did not start the fire that cause space rocks to burn, they did not get there until after the fire was going, they did not kill the witches, they died when their link to man in crappy bear suit was broken, mother analease attacked first then turned into a giant smoke crow no wonder she got stabbed

[@ayezoop884]

Yea cause when you see Mother Koril do the smoke crow, she took over bear suit. So when Aniseya did it, what was she tryna do🧐

[@WayneJones-l5q]

@@ayezoop884 exactly, and it looked like it was going to hurt mae turning her into smoke too, so he made the right call, he also did not fight back against koril until he proved she could not really do anything to harm him, then he just cut the tip of her spear off

[@Whispie]

You must be trolling. This has gotta be bait.

[@Angel-lt1sh]

Is this sarcasm?

[@WayneJones-l5q]

@@Angel-lt1sh it is a bit, like the crappy bear suit, though it is pretty bad, and analease, just not sure how to spell her name so close enough, but the point is, the jedi were not the baddies like she, Harvey Weinstein personal assistant, wanted them to be

[@XionDarkblood13]

The problem this show has, I think, is it feels like it’s being translated to English and context is being lost in translation. Torbin, as other people have noted, definitely seems like the intent wasn’t him being “homesick” but felt like his potential and abilities were being wasted and he wanted to do something more exciting than collecting samples. The visual storytelling was there telling that but the dialogue was saying something else. If the witch was offering him a chance to leave and go on a grand adventure where his praises were being sung, that would fit that scene way better. I like that the Jedi weren’t portrayed as completely at fault. Yes, they were at fault. They let their preconceived ideas of the witches guide their narrative of what was going on. However, you can see why they would jump to these conclusions. It’s still really bad but it wasn’t just “Jedi superiority complex”. I don’t think Indara knew that freeing Kelnaka would kill the coven. And even with sol killing the witch leader, it was understandable that he felt it was an attack. Yeah, it sucked. It was awful but it was understandable. I like that. Again, a lot of this feels like the script or story was written in another language and translated to English. The whole series is held back by the weird dialogue. The visuals tell a kinda different story than what is being said. It’s like the show was made and released in Japan or something and someone fan dubbed the dialogue but didn’t quite understand how to translate it to English for the voice actors to convey what is actually going on. Like, originally torbin wanted to go back to the criminal underbelly of coruscant and him being a Jedi with the context of the way it was said in the original language would be like a cop complaining about being assigned to a podunk town with no crime. However, literally translating it to English is just “I want to go back to coruscant”.

[@sotalentedmiles9132]

I think the idea was to show that Torbin was just a typical teenager. He literally was acting like any other 15 years old would if the went camping for 7 weeks. His actions made sense too me

[@emuman09]

Yea but because of the crappy writing Instead of the witches talking like normal people she decides to sneakily go inside his mind to which he then doesn't tell anyone about it

[@karl-niclas_burner]

Maybe I missed it, but what made him "opt-out" 16 years later? But to your point, after being raised in the academy, would he really be a "normal" teenager? He should have been better written as a homeschooled, YEC jesusfreak and a rabid "H-Youth" zealot.

[@daurydavis3983]

​@@emuman09not crappy writing Karen

[@emuman09]

@@daurydavis3983 that comment doesn't make sense. Would you like to articulate?

[@jordanwhite352]

​@@emuman09You talk about crappy writing. When during 9/11 a group of white Americans killed a obviously seak gas station attendee all because they saw a turban on his head and thought he was a Muslim "Terrroist". 🙄

[@starhawk63]

When Indira broke the coven's hold on Kelnacca, it at least injured (and possibly killed) all the witches exerting their power to hold him. But she was doing it to save Kelnacca (and save themselves FROM him), not specifically to harm the coven.

[@thedarkknight2221]

What I loved the most about episodes 3 and 7 is how they show neither the Jedi nor the witches were innocent, and that like sadly too many real life conflicts it was born out of prejudices and misunderstandings.

[@leons.kennedy6710]

I really like how nuanced it was and then how it escalated/devolved so quickly.

[@smokinjoe4709]

What's there to misunderstand? The witches are manipulating two created children and training them in the dark-side. The Jedi have every right to slay them all.

[@gar55rocks1]

This was one of the better episodes admittedly. But the more I watch this show the more I despise it and I’ve wanted nothing but to enjoy it since the beginning. The state of Star Wars is just so disappointing. I’m just so ready for Andor again

[@DrRastaFish]

So... this is why dude killed himself...?

[@Piratesi666]

All the witches died because pf his eagerness to leave to the planet. He was impatient and reckless, everything a Jedi isnt. Yeah your damn right he felt bad. Its an emotion called Empathy.

[@Dryltd]

So you just wanted to go home and take a hot shower but your eagerness led directly to your master "killing" 50 women and then lying to cover that up. Can you sleep soundly?

[@nathanrivera4953]

​@@Piratesi666why tf would torbin feel bad about witches dying when they violated his mind in the first place?? The Jedi could have attacked and killed them all in the first episode for mind controlling their youngest and arguably weakest member. What does that say about them???

[@Piratesi666]

@@nathanrivera4953 Sound like you don’t really understand what The Jedi are all about.

[@roycelewis7975]

@@nathanrivera4953 Cause the show writing is bad. The jedi break into the place of people clearly abusing the force and manipulating children. Then the main lady tries to manipulate a teenager Jedi and turns into a smoke demon and starts turning one of the kids to smoke. Torbin literally did nothing wrong.

[@bradthemusicduck4895]

The conspiracy reveal was really blah for me. To build up any kind of shock/horror/pathos of the reveal, the writers needed to present (throughout the entire storyline) more fear/paranoia or idea of systemic corruption from the Jedi in regards to xenophobic races and or Force occultism. This felt too neatly tied up to make it seem like no one was the bad guy -- , it has no damn pay-off at all. The idea that this event drove Torbin to self-exile and suicide is just laughable.

[@Dreamless-Dreamer]

Honestly I was pretty disappointed in this episode, I definitely don’t think it’s the worst but it’s just disappointing, I mean I get it’s a flashback and gives us some more insight but I don’t think their was enough here to justify seeing all the exact same scenes except with a slightly different perspective. I still enjoy the show but this one sadly was a letdown personally but I hope more people enjoyed it than me 🙂

[@Knightowl1980]

Anti climactic. I was watching like”this is it” this is the big mystery. The structure of the series was so poorly done. This should have been episode 1 or 2 and they should have had a linear narrative

[@Dreamless-Dreamer]

@@Knightowl1980 Yeah I really expected their to be like this huge revelation that would change the way I view things but nothing really happened that we didn’t already kind of know, I did like the fight, seeing a wookie Jedi is awesome and seeing the council did not want them to take the twins and sol letting Mae fall to save osha was interesting but that’s it🤷🏽‍♂️

[@dandelion2330]

agree, would have been better as ep 1.. so we can at least get the pay off's they want us to have when the Jedi are later killed off

[@jillg9108]

This explanation of events was not a great payoff for me.

[@arianalikens5300]

It's my favorite episode so far

[@baldwinfilms]

because this is barley even a twist they should have had this episode a lot earlier in the show… the suspense of us knowing the cover up and Osha not is so much more interesting considering it’s so obvious

[@TheGamer_MJ]

Haven’t a clue what people are on about, this episode was significantly better than the last episode which is the worst one

[@francisco_m7849]

This episode is also going to confirm my theory that I keep going back-and-forth on that mother Koril most probably found. Qimir As a broken Padawan that the Jedi let go and probably taught him the more darker side of the power of the force. Other words, he had the training from the Jedi, but she just reinforced her lust for revenge for taking her children and her coven. Probably Qimir was abandoned by her as well because he was not seeking revenge against the Jedi like koril wanted

[@Brook11223]

The Jedi have flaws. But the Sith are straight up evil. The Jedi are good but end up failing due to ignorance and incompetence and sometimes hubris. The Sith are evil. There’s still a huge difference.

[@kjellspaens126]

Semantics

[@CinemaSauced]

That song had me in awe for the entire end credits… my hand was literally over my mouth..

[@Grimbear13]

"I don't care guys I really liked episode 3" -Greg "So do we! That's why we gave it to you twice!" -Showrunners

[@starhawk63]

"The power of ONE, the power of TWO, the power of MANNY" (Jacinto)

[@andrewkarns5502]

I’ve been pretty disappointed with the show overall, although I thought episodes 5 & 6 were alright….. but…. This episode effin sucks dude. Holy smokes. This one was right on par with the Vespa crew episode in Book of Boba Fett 😂 💩

[@panakobe]

Looking forward to see how it wraps up next week. Doesn’t need a season 2. I don’t understand how everyone is going in so deep on a Disney plus show.

[@ssotkow]

35:29 Interesting that Greg walked off again twice in a row in the outro while Michael is speaking. RUUUUUDDDEEEE Greg. LOL

[@manuellvna]

Such an unprofessional shill, he is 😂

[@davisjustin1313]

That Torbin/Aniseya scene reminded me of Itchy wearing the VR pleasure hemet in the Holiday Special.

[@prismmonkey]

Greg's unbridled joy at the song redeemed this entire episode for me.

[@Whispie]

If you play that song on the Spotify desktop app, the play bar becomes a lightsaber!

[@ZachBobBob]

If you play anything Star Wars on Spotify the bar changes to a lightsaber

[@Whispie]

@@ZachBobBob~ I thought that might be the case! First time I've seen it!

[@copuim_dealer]

What's it called

[@ZachBobBob]

@@copuim_dealer Power of Two by Victoria Monet

[@Whispie]

@@copuim_dealer~ Power of Two by Victoria Monét.

[@francisco_m7849]

Oh yeah Michael and Greg, I totally forgot to mention the scene when the Jedi were back in their ship and Sol was saying that one child had a marking, but the other didn’t maybe because she did not want to do. It was the scene in episode three where they were going to do the ceremony, but they showed up as the ceremony was going and interrupted it so they could not finish the ceremony. So once again Sol was seeing things from his point of view and not what actually was happening