The Real James Corden - A Late Night Lament | TRO

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[@JohnnyDeppSmashedOnCocaine]

Hello

[@Stagcraftstream]

This man does NOT want to end up on hbomberguy

[@Brandon-yi9sj]

Hearing the Kim Possible text tone that I use was a trip

[@SevenVT12]

Holy shit actual ethics

[@xxminuit.nixyxx6509]

😊

[@mst3kharris]

Craig Ferguson was a seriously underrated late night host, in my opinion. His monologue on why he wasn’t going to make fun of Britney Spears after her extremely public breakdown remains one of the kindest and bravest things I’ve ever seen a late night host do.

[@Copperyfoxx]

I really loved watching him. Such a great interviewer. So charming in a lighthearted comfortable way. Truly the kind of person you feel like you would love to have a coffee with. ❤😭🥰

[@tcbgarage2845]

Wholeheartedly agree. I was quite disappointed when Cordens show started and it was so far removed from what Craig did along with Geoff Peterson.

[@montananerd8244]

Craig was BRILLIANT!

[@Metallute]

So many compliments... Careful, Icarus.

[@name.333]

@@Metallutedawg what?

[@atodeblue]

ok but that clip of someone in the audience yelling ”i love you”, only for someone to yell back ”f off” really sums up england to me

[@harold3165]

Based. Americans could never.

[@EggCup_9]

James Corden reminds me of that one loud kid in drama class who always insisted on being the main character but couldn’t really act

[@Nicole-rj4xz]

So accurate..!

[@kingoftrashbabies]

Neckbeard theater kid

[@GenuinelyHorriblePerson]

That kid, but one that somehow never grew out of it.

[@chriszewski]

Exactly. He reminds me of PSH's character in Along Came Polly, only that character had some redeeming qualities.

[@KingOfGaymes]

And the teacher kept giving them the role despite nobody liking it

[@testadmin]

The clip of Kimmel telling Corden to name 2 cameramen was what woke me up to why Corden deserves the hate he gets.

[@Copperyfoxx]

Especially when you compare him to someone like Seth Meyers, who does a whole ass web show that has evolved into 60% jokes just to make the staff and crew laugh (corrections) (where my jackals at?❤). Hearing the crew genuinely laugh at things Seth says is so endearing and enjoyable.

[@RiesenWuschel]

I haven't actually seen that one. Did Kimmel get the same question? He seems like an empathic and down-to-earth guy most of the time.

[@Copperyfoxx]

@@RiesenWuschel if you search for “james corden spill your guts jimmy kimmel” you should find it. That question is towards the end. 🤘🏻

[@f1o18iwi9]

@@Copperyfoxx jackals are we also, we who comment, he made and we made a whole relationship and 100 episodes of inside jokes. i love that whole team and seth.

[@f1o18iwi9]

@@RiesenWuschel kimmel knows his whole team he has tight crew of friends and family, so kimmel knows his team for sure.

[@TheDigitalApple]

If there’s one thing everyone online from various backgrounds, ideologies and countries can agree on, is that James Corden isn’t a good comedian.

[@Chilling_Chilling]

He was *SMEXY* in Cats though... Said nobody ever about him in Cats or at any stage in his life 😂

[@whatevr99]

He isn’t a good comedian. He isn’t a good actor. He isn’t a good person. He isn’t… good.

[@nickolassucharew840]

He’s… ok Ig

[@chip1464]

There is one thing I give credit to him for. He once hosted childish gambino and this guy named reggie and they did some weird but pretty catchy freestyle. Its great but wouldn't have worked outside the james corden show

[@AdamOBrien29]

He's not even a good person

[@Vampiyaa]

I'll never forget that disastrous Reddit AMA with James Corden lmao. The top comment was asking Corden whether, in his opinion as a professional asshole, he should invest in a bidet.

[@roryslaine7896]

Lmao, I think on that same AMA one of the most upvoted questions was: "have you ever considered being funny or likeable?" 😂

[@suncrestt4839]

💀💀💀

[@Ramsey276one]

Hire that person!!! XD

[@introusas]

I’ll be using this line from now on…

[@ThatPianoNoob]

@@roryslaine7896 Even after watching the video I still just dont like the guy. He just seems fake to me for some reason, same with Ellen years ago. Im not saying he is a terrible person because of the "vibe" I got because quite frankly I feel the same way of about 80% of lateshow hosts. Id probably like him more if I came to know him from some other medium. Even someone as awesome as Conan O'Brian just becomes better in different environments.

[@supermariosunshine64]

2 hours? Wow now you're dropping shorts?

[@scottymacdewder5229]

Underrated comment.

[@dnbd_3026]

Talking about shorts.. theres nothing more of a Schitzofrenia Simulator than watching shorts As someone who never got on the TOXIC TIKTOK TRAINNNN

[@AdamOBrien29]

Actually 2 hours is considered long form content, shorts are typically under a minute.

[@kendalldrye5947]

😂 this made me giggle

[@Jon-id7ki]

​@@AdamOBrien29Ah shoot, thanks. We got a bit mixed up there I guess

[@D_YellowMadness]

It's so weird when there's a really well known celebrity who's mostly known for being hated. It's like someone tried & failed to make him famous but he ended up infamous by accident & whoever was helping him just gave up.

[@LateNightTableCo]

I think of big part of it is the fact he’s like the 6th most popular late night host and most people nowadays know him from that. So it’s like, you hate him or your reaction is “Who?”

[@tigerwoods373]

I don't really follow him but the stuff I have seen gives me an entitled, sassy prick vibe.

[@Fly-the-Light]

@@LateNightTableCo Sometimes my reaction is both of these at once

[@amylizard]

I absolutely agree it's the falseness that is the problem. I'm a store worker, and I personally don't have a problem with customers sometimes being rude. We all have occasional headaches, UTIs, family problems; sometimes patience runs thin. It happens and I don't take it personally. An apologetic smile, a quick "I'm so embarrassed over last time", or just improving the behavior, and we're good. But if you're rude all the time and act like if you're not? All fake laughs and expecting special treatment for being "nice", all with and era of being so much better than us? THAT makes you unlikable. And that kind of unlikeability shines through. We laughed our heads off when one of these guys called me "that fucking intern" to my face because he didn't recognize me with my hair down. After his rant I simply said "Oh, well, that was me, but describe the issue and I'll see what I can do." His face went blank for a second, then he returned to the fake smiling, pretending like his little rant never happened. And to this day, he, of course, wants special treatment. And if he had been famous, I would have tweeted about it. Nobody expects perfect behavior. But humans are impressively good at sniffing out falseness. And we don't like falseness.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

You made some interesting points, that helped me see several different scenarios more clearly, thank you.

[@syddisheep5160]

Thank you for putting this into words! "Humans are impressively good at sniffing out falseness" rings incredibly true. James Corden reminds me of an ex of mine who I despise being reminded of, as he is the reason for my PTSD. James Corden doesn't look like him, doesn't emote the same way, doesn't sound like him, but I look at him and SEE my ex. And it's exactly that, the same aura of fakeness, the same fake enthusiasm and cheekiness that I'm detecting. Where, if they were being honest to their true thoughts and feelings, they would get nasty and rude and hurtful, but decide to wrestle it down with impeccable self control. TRO make a comment in this video, that James Corden isn't comfortable with presenting his true personality to the public. And while we can't tell what's under the surface, it makes everyone incredibly suspicious, even if nothing is wrong with James and he may actually just be painfully normal.

[@meltedWax169]

I think people like that have... convinced themselves that that is what everyone else does. That they're all faking, so they understand to a degree. But he just think's he's faking it better, or more. But he's not he's just fake. And people are living as the people they are.

[@d2dar459]

"UTIs" 😂

[@harold3165]

UTI is so specific lmao

[@greenhowie]

The story about him ignoring his wife and kid on a plane is his legacy. That's what will be told centuries after his death, as an example of how bad celebrities were back in the old days.

[@princessmonokae]

Yep, I'm really surprised that this wasn't mentioned in the video, when its supposed to be about James Corden and the public's negative opinion of him. Maybe it was purposely omitted because the narrator couldn't come up with an excuse. Or maybe just poor research.

[@DiabolicalApostle]

@@princessmonokae More like it's unsubstantiated. The Balthazar incident was corroborated by the owner, the plane story could've been written by anyone.

[@H1SD]

Nah they'll be talking about The War

[@weplaydk2343]

​@@DiabolicalApostlemakes sense. Never heard TRO being accused of bad research though..

[@majormidget2704]

​@@weplaydk2343It would be a poor show to add in every unsubstantiated rumour, TRO is wise to avoid that pitfall. Even if in this case it would make little difference as the subject is a celebrity that is widely maligned anyway.

[@bunchoflemons]

Although he's not in the US late-night space, I do think that the best host out there is still Graham Norton, and my reason for that is the lack of distraction. The whole show is just interactions between a bunch of people (often helped by alcohol), capped off by one musical performance and a little bit of audience participation. Graham is also a very good facilitator of conversation in a way that James Corden lacked. It's all the skits and games that turn me off most of late-night. That said, I DO feel like Craig Ferguson was severely underrated. His more surrealist elements like Geoff Peterson and Secretariat were far more a precursor to The Eric Andre Show than anything else seen on late-night.

[@petrolhead0387]

Graham Norton will never be beaten as a host, even most American celebs have said that they prefer going on his show instead of the US ones. I want to say Jonathan Ross is a good host as well, but he gets really annoying after a few minutes. Paul O'Grady was another who was an amazing host, and it's sad that he was taken from us.

[@flexelsson1625]

​@@petrolhead0387man i forgot Paul passed. Such a shame.

[@awandererfromys1680]

I'd love to have a drink with Graham Norton. He's sharp, witty, warm, and genuinely interested in his guests. He's adorable when he gets starstruck and all giddy. Craig Ferguson is no different imho. It's like getting comfy with a good friend. A drink with James Cordon just sounds like a frustrating ordeal really.

[@ThePresident001]

Graham is genuinely funny too.

[@MeganBecker]

I remember going down a Big Red Chair rabbit hole during Covid...effing love Graham Norton!

[@Fimbleshanks]

What's this? Nuance? About an individual the internet decided everyone hates? Honestly though, I really respect this take, not because I'm a fan of Corden -- I've only ever seen him on Big Fat Quiz and Graham Norton -- but just for the sake of hearing a bit of humanizing nuance once in a while. Great video, TRO and team!

[@elifishwhat]

as an american who loves panel shows it was so surprising to see him on the big fat quiz. i was like "isn't this the talk show guy?". had no idea he had such a big presence in the uk!

[@magrend2]

Yes he’s big here only for Gavin and Stacey. The show is brilliant and funny. He and Ruth Jones are very talented. He’s not big now. He does earn a big cheque from repeat royalties. The show seems a bit dated but always worth a watch

[@carn9507]

@@magrend2 Just want to state that not everyone in the UK likes Gavin & Stacey. A lot of us found it tedious and cringey and news of christmas specials feel like a threat to some of us. I mean, it's at least preferable to mrs browns boys, but not by much. Corden though has always been an annoying prick.

[@kennethkennethson4991]

what’s so despicable is that he advocated for lower writers wages when he himself started as a writer.

[@thotsandpears]

Yeah I think it was glossed over. That's not like snapping because you had a bad day.

[@dhruv9744]

I don't think John Oliver, Jon Stewart and Trevor Noah count as late night show hosts. They are political commentary shows, where comedy is a feature.

[@hityawiththepunktactics]

As someone who tends to skew on their side of things, I agree with you. I don't really watch them anymore because politics are depressing to me and I would rather read the news in 5 minutes rather than sit through 30 minutes of politics. Not a slight on them, their research teams do great work and John Oliver especially has accomplished great things with his platform. I just am so, so tired and I would rather spend my time elsewhere.

[@BiggestCorvid]

Every episode of the Daily Show had a monologue and a guest. Occasionally two. And they had segments and sketches. I would never considered it as such when I woke up this morning but reading the comment made me realize the Daily Show had more in common with Johnny Carson than Dan Rather

[@cr41gieboy]

Jon Stewart likes Ukrainian nazis since he got his mind right

[@virginiavanni8061]

Does John Oliver even have celebrity interviews?

[@BiggestCorvid]

@virginiavanni8061 It was seen more on older episodes, pretty quickly celebrities began appearing in goofy skits and songs rather than actual interviews.

[@purplehaze2358]

Late night television is consistently one of my least favorite types of television.

[@ladyreverie7027]

The only one I like is Last Week Tonight by John Oliver.

[@DistractedGlobeGuy]

Craig Ferguson quitting and Conan O'Brien falling off at the same time was a blow the genre could never recover from, at least in North America.

[@Meritzio]

Totally, it feels like one giant exercise in self agrandising for the host and the celebrities, like they all gather round to implicitly suggest they're amazing. Why would you spend time watching people grease their own poles.

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

​@@MeritzioI've also noticed a trend of the host/interviewer trying focusing more on looking clever, or putting their guest down. I don't like it.

[@kingbowser6991]

its cringe af

[@malloli]

i feel like too many people in these comments missed the point that this video tried to touch upon which is that james corden may be a lot of things, he isn't 'untalented' or 'horrible', he's just a man who got pretty lucky and did a pretty damn good job of making a career out of it and the hate thrown at him (and many others) are merely bandwagoning and forget to extend humanity beyond your "average" person. criticism of a person's work doesn't equal hate or personal attacks on a person

[@yvaincallipso84]

Yeah I genuinely think most of the hate simply came from him being EVERYWHERE. I personally started getting a sour taste in my mouth because his name was incredibly prominently placed on the poster of a LOT soulless and incompetent movies (Cinderella, emoji movie, ect.). But he's not a bad actor, his performance on Into the Woods (while the singing was not great) was actually pretty good. I don't doubt that also his enthusiastic persona just ended up coming off as disingenuous and annoying. Like a comment here that said he reminds them of the the kid in drama class who thought they where amazing and insisted on being the lead despite not being the best actor in the class. Most people disliked him before he did anything wrong.

[@Fimbleshanks]

Yeah I think people commented and upvoted comments before finishing the video.

[@Lacewise]

I have asked people why they’ve hated him before and a significant number of people have said “it’s because he’s fat and Sir Patrick Stewart said that was a good reason to hate someone.” I wish I was joking. Like, I really wish I was lying. Even more people just… can’t explain it. They hate that he breathes. But somehow don’t have the sense to realize he’s not at fault for that. If I was one of the people still bandwagoning hating him while someone explained, in great and grounded detail, why that is over-the-top… well, I’d be pretty embarrassed.

[@insertnamehere6191]

​@@Lacewisewell I hate that he's unkind to customer service workers, nor do I think he's funny but I don't doubt his acting ability and I just wish people were nicer in general.

[@Lacewise]

@@insertnamehere6191do we have enough evidence of that? Or do we have evidence that he is flippant and sometimes even rude to service workers (to be clear, this would still be bad. However, a different level of magnitude)? Because James Corden, while slightly more handsome than your average guy, is by no means distinctive looking or sounding. There’s no reason to just accept everyone’s “sightings” as true in this case, especially given his handling of the one situation that went mainstream.

[@fluorescentgreys]

I still don’t understand why you would order an omelette if you had a serious egg allergy lmao

[@LordOfElysium]

Is.. that REALLY what happened? 💀

[@Ashbrash1998]

I dont rhink it was specifically an egg allergy

[@juliac8225]

I don't think the egg white incident and the allergy incident was the same. He didn't mention what his wife was allergic to. Just that she has an allergy and they kept messing up her order

[@Smulenify]

I assumed she was probably allergic to something in the wrong side dish they brought her when she got the new omelette, since he mentions sending it back for the third time or whatever. However it is possible to have a mild allergy or intolerance to only one part of the egg (yolk or the egg white). So for her eating a yolk only omelette (with only traces of egg white) might be fine. Eating a whole egg omelette likely wouldn't kill her, but it could still make her ill. If it was something else she was allergic to I think it's okay to send it back for containing egg whites, since it'll be a different type of omelette. Especially when you're eating somewhere high end.

[@Lacewise]

@@SmulenifyI also feel like if a high end restaurant (they often make stuff like custard and meringue, which involves carefully completely separating the eggs) can’t make an egg white only/yolk only omelette… that’s weird…? That’s the one place I would expect to be able to do it. High end restaurants and cafes.

[@eve3455]

Welp, new hour long analysis on something I have no idea about but will happily listen to anyway, that's my sign to get back to work.

[@Jon-id7ki]

Ha! It's nearly 2 hours actually!!! Gotem🎉🎉

[@Copperyfoxx]

Ferguson was amazing. I loved his show. He was such a great interviewer. Charming and self deprecating. Silly and light hearted. Immediately disarming and comforting for anyone that may have started out nervous or uncomfortable. You could make an hour long video just on why he’s so likeable and seemingly easy to talk to.

[@sawyer6264]

It sucks because he could’ve been a decent comedian if he went the more straight man route (ex: when he played The Baker in the film adaptation of Into the Woods), but no, he wanted to be the goofy guy and failed miserably at it

[@misteral9045]

Jonah Hill without the cringe, but also without the charm.

[@spectre9340]

I liked his character in _Doctor Who_ cos he was just a simple wholesome guy. He never had super ugly moments and was pretty sympathetic. Like, a much cuter version of his character from _Into the Woods_ Just a family man that didn't need to be the comic relief all the time

[@sawyer6264]

@@spectre9340ah yes!! I almost forgot about Craig

[@ashkebora7262]

I dunno', I think he was the worst part of that movie.

[@MissCaraMint]

@spectre9340 Yes that character was fantastic. It’s why I initially had a favorable opinion of James. Then I saw his mire annoying roles, and how he behaved generally. It was annoying. Not evil or anything, but annoying.

[@xXprettyxkittyXx]

The restaurant is a big turning point for James’ career because his old attitude from Britain made it through. Americans get very angry at people who are rude to service workers because many of us have been there. Not to mention, this was the beginning of the economic crisis that was to come so workers in general were over this kind of behavior. We don’t like people who look down at us from above, we don’t like bad sports, and we don’t like impatience. He embodied all of those qualities in one scandal. You’ll notice that everything he did after that was suddenly seen through the same lens. Dancing in the middle of a busy LA street while paying it to make the red lights there last longer suddenly seemed incredibly irritating. People have shit to do, work to get to. Making other celebrities eat something gross if they don’t reveal super private information felt invasive.

[@clementinedanger]

I wonder (genuinely wonder, I don't have any answers here) if things could have been different if James Corden was thin. I wonder to what extent he felt pressured to adopt a jolly comedian persona, because that's a role society generally accepts from fat celebrities, and not much else. People generally are a lot less forgiving towards fat people for their slipups and transgressions. Combine that with a bit of a theater kid air that isn't inherently harmful but also rubs a lot of people the wrong way, I'd really like to take a peak into the alternate universe where there's a thin James Corden without the theater affectations and see how well he's done.

[@mae7532]

He definitely gives Jonah Hill vibes in the way that he gets triggered over his weight though- all the smiles dissapear if you joke about his insecurity

[@domhuckle]

The jolly fat person is one of life's curses

[@unclegoon347]

I think good looking people get away with more at times as people can be swayed and taken in by looks (human nature) It’s not that people dislike Corden because he’s fat- people dislike him because he’s a complete knob head - it’s just maybe he’d have got more of a pass if he looked better.

[@munstify]

Really interesting thought. I think a useful comparison for this is Conan O'Brien. He jokes a lot about his own appearance (being tall, skinny, pale etc) and he also gets away with being a huge dick on camera. Being a dick is even part of his whole schtick. Imagine if James Corden tried to add those two things to his act. If he constantly commented on his own looks, and then also openly acted like an asshole. We would say he's just a sad, insecure man who takes it out on others. But Conan gets away with it because we sort of know he's really not that bad-looking... Or, at least he's not fat. And he can be a dick because he's easy on the eyes, we're not openly judging his appearance. That being said I also think there's something to be said about the fact that Conan is just a fundamentally better comedian than James Corden. He's objectively funnier. So I don't know, that also makes him infinitely more tolerable to me.

[@TeamSprocket]

If he wasn't fat he wouldn't have become popular, as he has no real talent.

[@raydunn8262]

Thank you, for the great deep dive. 1. Craig F is one irreverent self-deprecating class act. 2. He mixed all his talents and 'flaws' into perfection. 3. He walked the fine line, often on one foot, never stumbling into poor taste. 4. He never resorted to mocking someone to increase laughs. 5. Many of us will always miss Craig, especially when 12:35 AM approaches. Craig has no 'flaws', what is a more appropriate word?

[@chrisblake4198]

The truth at the heart of all this is late night TV is the canary in the coal mine for the death of network tv. Since the time of Letterman v Leno, the decline and fragmentation of audiences due to cable, then KZbin, then social media and streaming, Late night has been ahead of the curve for programming as a whole. (with the possible exception of children's programming/cartoons) The fact that the one lifeline they've found to keep their heads above water is KZbin, shows they're woefully behind the times even today.

[@dena81]

I'm 42 and grew up on Carson. I have many fond memories of being young and laughing at all the jokes. Now a days I've put on Antennae TV for my father with dementia and when this comes on... I find myself stopping to listen and laughing. And interesting enough he would have some political jokes and it's so interesting seeing how a 40+ old joke can still apply to today. And his ability with interviews, they did always seem authentic. There were plenty of times a comment would catch him off guard and you could see Johnny himself laughing at how he was thrown off. Right now everything is a formula. I think, for me, the pandemic killed me with talk shows. Them being at home and not having their full staff showed.

[@GremlinAbsolute]

I've been watching your content for a while, and I have to say I appreciate how you allow editors to credit themselves in the chapter titles. I feel like more content creators need to do that

[@Jezzascmezza]

Anyone struggle to keep up with the narration/delivery here? Maybe I'm getting old, but it just felt like some words bled together and I wanted it to be a little slower and clearer.

[@DarperRed]

I thought this as well

[@NarcissistAU]

So the moral of the story is: If you're allergic to eggs, don't order the omelette. Colour me schooled.

[@captain_rewind]

The More You Know 💫

[@justhearmeout3959]

I dont know what it is about both James Corden and Jimmy Fallen that I've always found off putting. Guess my instincts are right about one at least 😅

[@torysings7468]

Jimmy fallen less. Jimmy Kimmel though? He is…. There is something so off about that guy

[@apriljk6557]

You're right about Fallon too. He's a company man. He's a fence sitting, corporate shill, who had to be shamed into publicly supporting one of the big union strikes a while back, iirc. He's no John Oliver.

[@Juliette_jules]

@@torysings7468jimmy Kimmel is definitely a weirdo imo, ever since I found out he created “the man show” he’s left a bad taste in my mouth

[@apriljk6557]

From the first time I tried to watch Corden's show, knowing nothing about him, I got the vibes too. I think it might be his body language or facial expressions that trigger a feeling of inauthenticity, therefore untrustworthy. I think that feeling set up the path to the intense dislike that followed after a few car karaoke watches and the clip of him in a costume, thrusting at a car. That was the nail.

[@Narchi1]

Its their overly fake personas

[@scottbuck1572]

James Corden tried to the whole "theater kid who is self-aware" thing, minus the self-awareness

[@VonArens]

While I fully understand Craig Ferguson's desire to move on from late night, one half of me is still sour that his replacement 'choice' was Corden while the other half is laughing at the cruel joke he played on the viewers by that 'choice'.. 😀 Also in regard to Craig's 'digital viability' while on the Late Late Show I would say that was a mistake by the network, considering how many millions of views the fan uploads of Craig's interview sections have. 😃

[@ilznidiotic]

Craig actually didn't want to move on from Late Night. Nothing was written down, but he'd been told he'd have right of first refusal for The Late Show when Letterman moved on. Instead, they gave it to Colbert without consulting Craig, so he left.

[@AlexGrey97]

The lockdown musical number was also frustrating for those of us front line workers who were not fortunate enough to be about to stay home and be safe. I had to go to work every day through the whole pandemic and it's just irritating to see people who were so fortunate to be able to stay safe indoors rejoice because they could go outside again. I wish I would have been able to feel safe like that.

[@remy120]

completely agree. my mother nearly died of pneumonia because she was a front line worker taking care of patients who had the virus and hearing that celebration boils my blood - i know it wasn't the intention but it feels almost mocking to those who did die as even though they likely did stay inside or didn't get the choice to they still suffered and became another statistic

[@angelface925]

Never know what to expect from you, TRO, but this wasn't it. Absolutely delightfully pleased! ❤

[@nessarolla]

I used to watch Craig Fergison everynight when I could since I was in high school at the time. I was there when he got Geoff the Robot and he was just so funny and overall hilarious. I still quote Geoff's "Carefull Icarus" all the time. The channel TheJayLeno Fly has great compliations Of Craigs show. Sometimes I wish he would come back becuase he always had such interesting stories. His stand up specials, I think he has more than one, are also very good. Great videof Righty!

[@TheCrimsonS4ge]

This video is way more charitable to the man than I would have expected. Well done on you, TRO, for giving him a fair shake and not having this video be a 2-hour lampooning session.

[@shadycatz85]

it's crazy that the worst thing you can be online is annoying and kind of cringe. endless harassment, even death threats, for just being some average gen x comedian show host.

[@glowrillaz]

It’s a red flag for me when someone makes fun or harass someone for being harmless but embarrassing. I'd never befriend or talk to someone like that. Light jokes can be fine, but bullying someone online, especially under their own posts/videos, for no apparent reason is just too low. Like I'm not exaggerating when I say that some people seem to treat this as an actual crime. It’s ridiculous. Not talking about james cordon here, but in general.

[@twistysunshine]

I totally agree with you. As an autistic person the way people get so foaming at the mouth angry at a guy who they just think isn't charismatic, or is awkward or is like. "Inauthentic" (none of us know literally any of these people... the celebrities you feel like you know are just really good at playing this consistent person for their audience... and "playing" is supposed to be the thing you don't like her).... it's a red flag for those angry fans in my opinion. Like, okay, if you don't read perfectly neurotypical, ideal, fake the ideal personality in just a way where it's not read as fake then everyone will hate you? No evidence Corden is neuroatypical but I absolutely have seen people do this with minor KZbin celebrities who ARE autistic or have a personality disorder or other mental conditions... I am not gonna dig in to Corden bc the behavior is just to familiar to me as "the way people treat neuroatypical people like me for not blending in"

[@polishhockeyfan]

Telling me James Corden is insufferable person is like making a video explaining water is wet

[@dobbsy22]

As soon as I hear your voice the world is calm and right again…

[@PaNNgz]

18:22 Graham's show is the best. It has been since he started. Everybody trust the man. Even when it devolves into a cringey topic, Graham will wrangle it back in with a resounding laugh.

[@Kpink744]

Agree 💯🇬🇧

[@sunfastrose]

This is one of my favorites of your videos. You dug into the history and possible future not only of James Corden but of the genre as a whole and did it with an excellent analysis of both,

[@yvaincallipso84]

He's genuinely not a bad actor, and I don't think he's a demon in disguise either. Genuinely think his main problem is that he took every opportunity he could and ended up being part of projects and films that turned out to be disingenuous, soulless cash grabs. I am 100% aware that the only reason I dislike him is because I started seeing his name in a movie and thinking "Great. Another Emoji Movie/Cinderella/Cats". I don't doubt also that for people who found him annoying/disingenuous in the first place ,seeing him EVERYWHERE didn't help.

[@hunterross9028]

This has been one of my favorite deep dive so far honestly. Late night shows as a kid is something I always thought was interesting, now I’m an adult(technically) and like most my age I don’t even watch tv. That and I like your take on James Corden, it’s such a fresh perspective to be like “yeah he isn’t great but he did cool things, sometimes” instead of an eternal hate fest, which I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve.

[@onlyheretosin666]

Craig Ferguson was on another level. 😂 LOVED his show.

[@Barista.Nathan]

I think there's a reason that John Oliver resonates so much with the youngest generations. He took the late night formula and reapplied it to be educational entertainment and activism. He saw the trends and Tides shifting towards political commentary and things of that nature and instead of creating a show that just Loosely dabbles in these topics with clear lack of insight, you get these well-researched and crafted narratives and topics that engage and educate. It also helps that he doesn't come across as out of touch because he and his writing team are just more in touch with the youngest Generations. I know that I used to watch Seth Meyers and Stephen Colbert and others in like 2016 or 2017. There were some stuff that I really liked. 6 years later and I feel like John Oliver is the only one whose formula still resonates.

[@draculactica]

I maintain that they picked the wrong james to replace craig ferguson. Shoulda been james acaster. We wouldve had 1000% more celebrity mental breakdowns if he had taken over

[@petrolhead0387]

The American audience isn't ready for Acaster, he may be a little to eccentric for them and a lot of his material would be wasted. He is definitely an underappreciated comedian, and I love seeing him appear on panel shows, you know it's gonna be nutty when he's in the line up.

[@draculactica]

@@petrolhead0387 acaster on would i lie to you is Bob mortimer levels of absolute chaos

[@CreativaArtly]

Yeah, only ever gave a darn for him when he had BTS on his show. I’m not even going to lie about it. Carpool karaoke is fantastic and it’s a format I thoroughly love and enjoy!

[@ethannu__]

That ad section was actually so fun, first time i’ve watched an ad read through and not skipped!!

[@Dauerglotzer123]

If you like fun adds i cannot recommend internet historian more

[@kirstengoodall9778]

I’m in awe of the editors! Great job!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻another great video TRO 😊

[@sonablom]

Thanks for the unbiased look at this reminding me of the things i do/did like about james corden. However, i will say any look at his hiring and run on the late late show is in my opinion incomplete without mentioning ben winston. I think cbs hired ben who brought on and championed for james if im not mistaken. Per wikipedia ben winston "is a British producer, director...He has won 13 Emmy Awards and been nominated 33 times. He holds the record for the individual with the most Emmy nominations in any one year when in 2019 he received 8 nominations. Business Insider described him as “the most influential producer in television.”' Edit: nope james was hired then ben came on but he and ben did league of their own and bunch of other stuff and ben is how james got the friends reunion and they did the tonys together too. Arguably he and james came up with carpool karoke together way back when they did a tv production with gary barlow in the uk. Edit2: variety has an interesting article "From ‘Friends’ to Kardashians: How James Corden and Ben Winston’s Fulwell 73 Became a Go-To Production House in Hollywood." Why yes i am in a rabbit hole, thank you for noticing, please send snacks.

[@miss_in_security6742]

*hands over a tub of popcorn*

[@sonablom]

@@miss_in_security6742 its crazy because the whole thing goes back to my days as a 1D fan. James had a connection the the band then introduced them to ben and now he and ben still have a very strong relationship with 1D members but specifically harry styles who is even the god father of ben winstons kid. Anyway, its interesting how the late late show with James corden came about it part because of one direction and im kind of bummed it didn't get a mention.

[@Narchi1]

I really like that clip of james where he yells, oh wait, that is all of them

[@rorybannon]

As an American I love when British people talk shit about James because you can tell it’s more personal for them than us Americans who just find him annoying and self aggrandizing

[@TheNormExperience]

Nothing makes a day better like a nice, short little video from TRO. No, no. Don’t look at the time stamp. I said DON’T LOOK!

[@pikapal91]

James Corden’s two guest appearances on Doctor Who are some of my favorite 11th Doctor episodes

[@haggardtrish]

Conan didn't really have late night presence before getting the job at Late Night taking over for David Letterman. He was a writer on SNL, but being a writer and an on screen presenter is a different ball game.

[@mathieuleader8601]

James Corden always seemed to be an industry plant to me

[@NeonGlitch3]

Craig Ferguson was one the few late night hosts I'd actively be excited to watch. We need him back.

[@peterharris38]

I'm with you on that

[@D_YellowMadness]

56:49 was really confusing to me for a moment because I'm not used to people using the term "fortnight" for its literal meaning.

[@kayakat1869]

Why did his wife get an omelet when shes allergic to eggs?

[@rogerrambo4172]

Because Corden eats her meals as well as her own.

[@kuromini]

this video did not have to be this long... you're kinda just repeating the same points over and over

[@aarondonald1611]

For real, I don't think he made a single point the entire video honestly. Word salad

[@Missjunebugfreak]

Yep. The last 30 minutes feel like excess padding that doesn't add anything to the video.

[@bobcatred]

Johnny Carson was a REALLY good interviewer. And one of the things he did that a lot of the late night hosts today struggle with is that he didn’t make the interviews about him but he was excellent at making the guests comfortable and directing the conversation so there weren’t lulls and it didn’t drag and guests got the topics they wanted to hit in during the time they had. Strangely I’ve seen interviews that Letterman has done since he retired and I think he’s better at that now than he was when he actually a show host. Maybe he felt more pressure to perform back then whereas now he just interviews people he’s genuinely interested in.

[@sunflowervolsix]

including the louis tomlinson clip at 1:31:25 was very funny for me since i'd spent the video so far thinking about how james's connection with one direction potentially boosted him, especially leading up to 2015. and now i'm going to infodump about it, because i need to get it out of my head. there's context behind that louis clip and every 1d appearance, which is that james was friends with 1d from their beginning. louis and harry in particular; louis's mum had known him from when his sisters were on one of james's shows in the mid-2000s, and she'd contacted james when 1d began to see if he could look out for louis, which led to louis and harry becoming friends with james and his wife. a symbiotic promo relationship was established in the early 2010s, including 1d going on league of our own, james guesting on 1dday, and most significantly, james and ben winston directing the video for best song ever in 2013. ben winston is sort of vital to understanding james's rise i feel; he's worked with james since ~2010, and he was also very involved with one direction. he directed several of their music videos (his company fulwel73, who produce late late, directed more without him) (he's not extremely creative; one of his videos was allegedly plagiarised), he interviewed them during livestreams, he produced/directed 1dday and their movies/tv specials, he ingratiated himself into harry's life in particular (and sold stories about him/made a whole fabricated tv show "based" on him; harry "lived in ben's attic for two years" except almost all of that time he was on tour or not in the uk or just not near ben) (tbh a lot of what i remember about ben is him being casually misogynistic or racist, pushing verifiable lies about 1d, and using them for clout/profit). ben and james are very intertwined creatively, especially when it comes to the late late show, and they were both very involved with one direction. like ben was obviously strongly tied to 1d's team, especially in 2013 and 2014 (but fulwel73 produced 1d's first mini-doc on the band's one year anniversary, so they were actively working with 1d very early on), and i just wonder how much that was a stepping stone to tlls. so it's unsurprising that tlls had one direction on twice in 2015, during its first year (the only year when 1d were actually still together). james was their first real interview after zayn left. all of them (except zayn) have been on multiple times solo - harry and niall have both hosted the show, harry did a whole week in 2017. it was a staple in quite limited promo cycles for all of them, so the scarcity made those appearances special. i don't think tlls or james was solely built off the back of one direction, but i don't think it can be ignored that a huge amount of viewership came to them via 1d. it made james (and ben) a part of the one direction cinematic universe - he is way more involved with them than he would be for most other celebrities. and, importantly, it's always been strikingly obvious that he is friendly with them. they were comfortable with him in ways they weren't always, and he didn't degrade them like most interviewers did. so, this isn't a defence of james, but something that's become very apparent to me was that he either genuinely likes a lot of celebrities or he REALLY wants to be liked by them. possibly both, probably more the latter. it seems like he's the sort of person who treats those who can do something for him VERY well and ignores the rest. i have seen something genuine in his interactions with 1d, especially harry and louis (partially because they KNOW him in a way a lot of these celebs don't, so they banter with him - but i've also seen that he cares about them) and i've seen a load of phoniness from him with so many others, as well as the off-screen stories. it's led me to think his bubbly persona is only real with those he actually likes - but then, given that i'm an autistic person who heavily masks, i have to question how much of a crime i really think that is 😅 tbh i dislike ben winston a lot more than james, he's said and done things that i find reprehensible far more often, but he's the part of james's story that not many people know about. he's probably the reason james has done a lot of the things he's done (like - why was james involved with the friends reunion? because ben produced it!) idk i liked this video a lot but i think ben and 1d played a massively understated role in james's career. i think the connections he and ben had are what got him there. oh! and! a current thing! james has been using harry for positive promo since harry's tour ended in july 2023 lol. they've been "casually" seen out and about many times in the last year in extremely suspicious and unusual ways - and it's been literally a decade since they were papped together, so it reads very much as harry needing to remain relevant while not working and james needing to build up some public goodwill. once again using harry's proximity and audience. (and, actually, harry was seen with ben a couple months ago for the first time in years - and again, ben needed public goodwill. just think it's very clear that they both use/profit off their connection to harry/1d.)

[@shan1a_t]

As a 1D fan, solo Harry Styles and Louis Tomlinson fan, I couldn't have said it better myself! Speaking of which, I can 100% confirm that a lot of Directioners that watch James Corden _only_ watch his show for the bits in which the 1D boys are included. Most members of the fandom hardly even _know_ the disgusting personality of James because of his mask of a bubbly persona in those few interviews that we watched. Not only that, but he and Harry seem to be in good terms with each other. Apparently, because of this, so is the fandom.

[@TheMisterMarilyn]

Is this video sped up?? It sounds like you’re speaking two or three times faster than usual!’ I thought I had done something to my phone that put it on double!! Breathe beeYach, BREATHE looolol 🤭

[@DayLight-ws6ox]

I was double checking my playspeed too lmao.

[@666scarlett666]

7:11 kim possible is my actual text tone so I genuinely thought i got a text and then was convinced my phone was about to break because I knew I heard the text but couldn’t see one. So basically you nearly gaslit me into insanity. Other than that love your channel tro

[@montepurnova8339]

This video was 40 minutes longer then it needed to be.

[@zchelmerjoashgamboa7366]

No Conan O Brien mention is a crime.

[@willowrose2552]

Personally, I think the surprising stand out on KZbin is Seth Myers

[@Mrs.Self.Distruct]

I had no idea what a talented writer he is

[@bozuteru2160]

I get the feeling most of these top comments did not watch the video to the end

[@LittleRedWhine]

Going from Ferguson to Corden was like going from being served caviar to…. being served mud in a shoe?

[@theotv5522]

TRO is the closest we’ll ever get to TeDtalk on KZbin

[@caseyjones6560]

Bro needs to post more often with these long videos. It’s what I look forward to at the end of a long day

[@Ruth-of1ji]

Do you realise how much work goes into making high quality videos like this? It takes time. Dude has a life.

[@vb8801]

This is a short video for TRO 😂

[@gingerpotter21]

Carpool kareoke was a plague on the internet💀

[@Gabriel-scorch]

I'm eating corn right now

[@QQ-yt8xc]

Pop off king

[@AdamOBrien29]

I'm sitting on a cactus

[@Gabriel-scorch]

@@AdamOBrien29 respect

[@stanleyjosten]

It's so weird that "Heeeeeeere's Johnny" is more associated with Jack Nicholson than Johnny Carson at this point.

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

Honestly this kind of celebryty drama is better than what we usually get (SA and/or child abuse). At the same I don't really understand why people care that much about this guy. He is just the kind of person who just rubs people the wrong way. It's interesting to see how this huge narrative was built around him. If he was just a random dude nobody would care about his restaurant ban. Because he's a celebryty from whom you can't run away suddenly the way he treats waiters is important I guess there's also the underlying class tension. Nobody would care about celebrities being mean if not for the power dynamics of the society we live in. We would live in a much healthier society if waiters could just say f off to the angry clients

[@Gr1m3rs]

I liked him in Doctor Who

[@teal_m_101]

That's the only thing I know him for too.

[@valolafson6035]

I didn't even remember he did that

[@Gr1m3rs]

@@teal_m_101literally the only thing I relate to him

[@Nadia1989]

His character was good... For one episode. When they brought it back it was terrible.

[@zbedfi]

As an American, I’ve never heard anyone say they like James Corden. He definitely has creative talent as far as creating segments like Carpool Karaoke & the eating segment where guests should shine despite his annoying presence. His lack of quick wit or charm was apparent when he attempted to copy Graham’s interview format. That said, everyone was glad when he quit & went back to England. Craig Ferguson was one of the best late night hosts of all time - this to Letterman and Conan.

[@joseaguilar3323]

Craig Ferguson is the GOAT. Sad that Corden destroyed what he built.

[@zaltbommelairways]

Not knowing his own crew, abusing restaurant workers, trying to reduce the pay of his writers, throwing the CGI crew of Cats under the bus to distract from his own horrible performance... what a piece of work!

[@timothyshore7646]

James Corden is the revenge for the Boston Tea party

[@6thwilbury2331]

Hahah nice 😆

[@captain_rewind]

DAMN REDCOATS

[@honeybie170]

I think you pointed out a really important aspect of why late night television is kinda dying. There's like 4 or 5 different shows that are basically the same thing with different guys. From the clips I've seen of Stephen Colbert's, Seth Myer's, Jimmy Fallon's, Jimmy Kimmel's, and James Corden's shows is that they're all basically the same format/formula. It's the same thing with different guys. It's what makes hearing John Oliver get lumped in with them a little odd to me. Because while Oliver came from late night television and his show does kinda fit in the genre, it's a different formula with more focus. Oliver does political and social commentary presented through comedy, usually with a main story that takes a deeper dive into the topic. It's like I'm getting a video essay that was filmed in front of a live audience. He just covers topics in a way that is entertaining and intriguing. I don't think I've ever watched one of his main stories without thinking "Huh, I just learned something today." That's not something I can say about other late night shows in recent years. It's a saturated genre with little new or appealing takes. I haven't watched many of the older late night talk shows, so I don't want to compare older and recent when I'm not familiar with the older. I'm interested in Craig Ferguson after watching this, though. And a lot of comments maintain that Conan O'Brian was good, so there's a couple shows I'd be willing to watch to see if my problem is with late night as a genre or just the recent execution of it.

[@saltydinonuggies1841]

Ive never paid attention to him so ive always been confused why everyone hates him so much. Im glad ive found a video that goes over it all so i dont have to start actually paying attention to celebrities.

[@lolza-qh2xw]

Some of his earlier work was genuinely funny and he's obviously got some talent as a writer and actor, he just desperately needs a publicist and maybe even some therapy to handle his ego because he thinks he's a lot more important than he actually is. If he had his ego in check and went back to writing down to earth comedy shows like he did in his early career I could imagine a lot of opinions about him would change.

[@picahudsoniaunflocked5426]

I'm old but I loved Arsenio Hall. Best music, great interviews.

[@davidl6325]

“The people’s late night host” is unequivocally Conan, which on some level is ironic when you remember he’s the only Harvard Ivy League grad of the lot yet to me the most grounded

[@ChloePrice92]

Craig Ferguson was BY FAR the most entertaining host.

[@nightblade628]

He strikes me as a sheltered, depressed kid who was bullied a lot and got through it with humour, until he eventually learned that the best way to make people leave you alone is tell them to eff off. Now he’s an adult he’s very bitter about people he perceives as a threat or not on his level and it’s a real shame because a lot of people who went through that made lemonade, he just squishes the lemons and throws them in people’s eyes. I don’t think he’s bad, I think he just craves attention and then hates it when it isn’t the right kind of attention. He reminds me a bit of Homelander, who himself despises people and sees them as bugs beneath him yet can’t handle those bugs not adoring him; he craves adoration from the same people he “doesn’t need anything from”. It’s this kind of paradox that results in his conflicting behaviours.

[@Hixaf]

Conan O’Brien will always be the goat to me, Im sorry for asking this is it (For me or To me)

[@StackeyBlue]

I am surprised at how few comments mention Conan. He really did something that had a broad appeal.

[@jaycievictory8461]

Thank you for such a nuanced, thoughtful video. The comments, though.... I keep thinking about Caroline Flack who seemingly actually did much worse than anything James Corden is accused of (throwing a lamp at her boyfriend) but who then received a horrifying volume and variety of abuse online and in real life and killed herself. Even if she did do the lamp thing, she didn't deserve to die and the commentary afterwards was how badly she was treated and we have to be more careful. Then here I read total character assassinations and assertions he should never been born about someone who's... a bit annoying? Kinda up himself? Was a dick to a server one time? None of those things are admirable qualities/to be encouraged, but do they really warrant this level of hate?

[@NeilMendham]

Let’s be frank - James Cordon is not liked because he’s overweight, and our culture says people who aren’t “perfect” are not supposed to be successful. He was reasonably funny, but fighting a cultural imposition from the beginning.

[@PhattyBolger]

"How many modern late-night hosts can say they interviewed Putin?" Well, considering the amount of hate and accusations of treason Tucker Carlson got, I suspect no one will try ever again.

[@feliciafancybottom9723]

that has to be my favorite intro to a sponsor, i dont think ive ever watched a sponsor all the way through before this

[@ICDemons]

I’m not gonna lie the best part of my season is when TRO posts

[@Jim070]

The fact that Gutfeld on Fox News can outdraw most if not all of the late night shows tells you how fundamentally bad late night shows are now.

[@carolynnisbet4825]

I haven't watched the full video yet but I'm so happy to see you've uploaded again. I hope you're taking care of yourself, TRO. Your content is always amazing, concise and eloquent but honestly your health and happiness comes first. Thank you for the content and for your and your editors hard work.

[@Weeniehutnurse]

I live in NYC and walk by Balthazar constantly. I feel like it’s a place where celebrities go to yell at service workers at this point.

[@Mumspov]

Finally someone doing a hit piece on the most unfunny funny james boring comedian of all time. Love your work TRO. X

[@philtkaswahl2124]

That Kimmunicator beeping in the sponsorship segment though.

[@rentalksmedia]

i know this isn’t entirely relevant but i will say seth meyers corrections is a segment that is absolutely marrying some of the concepts of transitioning to other media / engaging new generations that you talk about in this video. it’s the most naturally ive seen ‘internet interaction’ become an ongoing segment (while also not trying cringily to dress seth up as “on the level” with the younger audience) and kind of proves that there is real merit in making side-along content exclusive to youtube/ the online sphere. it’s also the most organic seeming/personable ive ever seen seth, speaking as someone who barely watched his late show clips on YT before corrections and also never dedicated time to watching SNL because both felt too contrived and out of touch for my demographic. i love the way it truly integrates an audience back and forth in a more meaningful way, as well as making members of the crew and writers presences feel more solid even though they are not the ones on camera. it’s close to the only late night material i consume anymore, and certainly my favorite.

[@no-one-really]

i think another thing about corrections is that it encourages watching the rest of his show. Other late night youtube segments aren't made as companion pieces, you can just watch the sketch you like without watching the show. Corrections encourages you to watch (and pick apart) Late Night

[@Daniel-tx2vt]

Me personally if a restaurant served my wife or kids food that could kill them, not once, not twice, but thrice, I would certainly have harsher words for the workers there and nobody would bother to crucify me for it or even get me to apologize. Being a celebrity seems like hell.