These 5 Reliable Luxury Cars All Have 1 Surprising Thing In Common

[@donniee.2238]

"Shhh. It's all wheel drive" 😂😂. Nothing beats a Toyota reliability. Pair that with the luxury of lexus and its pure perfection. Honda isn't too far behind for sure, but Toyota maintains that reputation. My 99 crv actually made it to 301k before the engine died. I dropped a different engine in and it's at 327k almost now.

[@ECPP]

Nice

[@markkrispin6944]

Thanks Mark for all the improvements made with the B58 engine. I am planning for the Toyota Supra 3.0 with the B58 engine.

[@ECPP]

That is a great car and the new GR with a manual is an amazing drive. Thanks Mark, for the comment

[@markkrispin6944]

I totally agree! Too bad nearly all dealers are marking up the prices to around $65,000 for a new Supra.@@ECPP

[@randy74989]

Yep, I have a 2023 Lexus ES300h, Ultra Luxury Trim with additional options and dealer add-ons. Love the car and am getting 41+ MPG in the city. Oh, it has the eCVT and I have no problem with it. I have a Toyota and Lexus trained Independent mechanic that can service and repair my car, if needed. Changed the oil at 1,000 miles just like Scotty Kilmer and The Car Care Nut on KZbin recommend with Liqui Moly 0w16 Special Tec AA oil and a Toyota OEM filter for the engine model. I plan on changing the oil every six-months or 5,000 miles, whichever occurs first regardless of mileage. 🤔

[@ECPP]

Cheers

[@Dansk55]

Lexus is obviously the most reliable and holds its value the best. Just make sure you're getting one that was taken care of. Not those 10k plus oil changes

[@350zlover2]

That is so true!!!

[@CrystalClearWith8BE]

For worldwide, my top pick is Lexus. BMW is #2 in my opinion but my best pick for a luxury car brand. As for Mercedes-Benz and Audi, well, not much to say at least. What about the other 3 Asian luxury car divisions that aren't sold worldwide which are Acura, Genesis and Infiniti?

[@ECPP]

I would look at Acura as well but personally I will not drive a Genesis or Hyundai or Kia as reliability has been up and down via big issues. Infiiniti is that odd one out that has some cool vehicle and some attributes but does not call my name. It is a possibility, but not as durable as Lexus or Acura and CVT transmissions are so brutal I will steer clear of any vehicle with them

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

look at recent and current JD Power ratings and yes Lexus on top.

[@CrystalClearWith8BE]

@@GuitarsAndSynths, oh yes. I've seen J.D. Power. In the 2022 survey of the US Dependability Study, Genesis is the top rank of luxury cars once again since 2020. In 2021, it was Lexus and by 2023, Lexus is back on top for luxury cars.

[@germanengineering204]

​@@GuitarsAndSynthscheck out consumer reports! Much more reliable source!

[@HariOmRadhaKrishna]

We bought a '17 BMW 3-series last year, & just did our first road trip. Over 2,000 miles rt, 12 hours of driving at a stretch, & it was very comfortable (& fast when appropriate).

[@ECPP]

Very nice, which engine?

[@HariOmRadhaKrishna]

@@ECPP- 320i X-drive. 4 cyl twin turbo. My wife keeps it in Sport. I use Eco 90% of the time, but set it in Comfort for this trip. Our last cross-country trek was 4 years ago in an 06 honda civic.

[@KappaMan69]

BMW is TRASH

[@metrotrain]

I will second that. Have x3. Long drive have always been super comfortable.

[@JavierGonzalez-ts5iq]

@@HariOmRadhaKrishnahows the maintenance/repairs ?

[@Mach141]

You are the man. Never did I imagine someone fairly knowledgeable and passionate about cars, could be a successful youTuber, by walking around a car dealers parking lot, video after video. Not sure if you work there, sales, maintenance...maybe you own the place. You remind me of someone in sales, but they usually have no knowledge of the actual product

[@ECPP]

Thanks very much for the support

[@James-ej7yd]

Pleasantly surprised to see the Audi A6 on this list. I have owned one for about 3 years and has been 100% trouble free. Much more fun to drive than my Lexus SUV.

[@ECPP]

Nice rides too. Have a great weekend

[@jamesmyers9285]

I cannot stand that "UGLY" grille on the Lexus. It especially ruins the looks of the IS, ES350, and LS450, both otherwise beautiful cars.

[@ECPP]

That’s fair

[@storyofmylife7080]

Shut up! You’re old and don’t know modern style! Stick to an Oldsmobile gramps!

[@markwagner4909]

There is a huge different between the ES and the Avalon in build quality.

[@ECPP]

They are great. The ES is a nice rig

[@AvengerAngel]

While on the subject of reliability, I am sick of hearing from BMW, MB or other fans of "German engineering" about how boring these "tin can" Toyotas are, with plastic dominating interiors. If they are so "tin can" why do they have a much hire safety rating than any German turd on wheels? What is boring is sitting in the BMW Service Dept waiting for your wallet to be executed. As far as plastic, at least Toyota uses plastic in the interior, not major engine components like BMW. And then there is Toyota and Honda reliability, with basic care a Toyota can last 300-400K miles. How about a BMW, or Audi with that mileage? Maybe old-world Mercedes from decades ago could match Toyota reliability and longevity, but those days are gone! By the way, when Toyota or Honda make errors in engineering, they correct it. BMW and other German garbage just ride on their false narrative cache and continue to turn out crap from their sewer factories. Reliability in a German car is making it 70K without a major repair required.

[@omnomomnom6507]

just say u can’t afford german and move on bro 😂

[@ECPP]

nice

[@ECPP]

what?

[@ECPP]

broke

[@AvengerAngel]

After three BMW's , since 2007 (the last a 2019 430i) and a MB E320. It's not an issue with finance, but with the fact that these cars are garbage. MB was even unable to repair the rear sunscreen. Actually, your comment is more projection than anything of merit. BMW fan boys like you are actually the folks who can't afford the marques, "bro". @@omnomomnom6507

[@mikefoehr235]

I wouldnt own anything made by the Germans...over priced over engineered junk. The cost to repair is outlandish. That Acura was spectacular. That blue is amazing. Lexus is amazing. I would only own Toyota or Honda.

[@ECPP]

True the Lexus and Acura are great cars and likely outlast many others

[@hughb5092]

Great vehicle choices Mark, this is one of my favorites!

[@ECPP]

Mine too!

[@donnelson9283]

Yup ! Definitely Spot OnPoint 💯 Review !! I've Seen People In My Area, Never Have Problems With Their Lexus !! 😉👌

[@ECPP]

Right on

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

There's no way I'm buying any BMW, the Lexus will last forever and cost less for repairs

[@ECPP]

That’s fairly true, however even Lexus is switching to turbo engines and dropping NA V6

[@germanengineering204]

​@@ECPPSuper reliable engines with no turbo, but Lexus realize that they are a lot slower than the competition, and fuel efficiency sucks without forced induction!

[@er98ah]

I’m a huge Toyota fan and own a 4 runner. However, Lexus don’t drive like bmws. If you want ultimate tech and drivability then bmw takes the medal. If you get rid of cars about 3-5 years and are ok with the depreciation than the bmw is the car to get

[@antjuanmitchell8845]

9😊​@@ECPP

[@istudyyou2130]

Lexus is number one reliable car bottom line

[@ECPP]

True that

[@Mysticlyonenterprise]

Am going look into the 330i.always a pleasure to hear you articulate the pro’s n con.keep up the good work.

[@ECPP]

Thanks, will do!

[@Blue-moon12]

Sorry, but Genesis has to be on or near this list. 2018 Genesis G80 Sport with 161k kms (just over 100k miles). Still drives tight, quiet and no rattles etc.

[@ECPP]

If those cars work, then its a keeper in my books

[@Blue-moon12]

@@ECPP I have not seen too many issues with Genesis as a brand in the 6 or so years they have been around. Next 3 or 4 years we should know more.

[@jingleflagtv8599]

The es is not rwd

[@ECPP]

nice

[@marthabaez9068]

Love the Integra, like its grille, like its interior, like everything. I would buy it over the Lexus just for the grille.

[@ECPP]

They are great looking cars

[@azmedz]

Always respect your opinion Mark always

[@kjss4345]

I have a ES but its never been rear wheel drive😂

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

According to 2023 JD Power Quality ratings, Acura/Honda dropped a lot in terms of reliability as did Porsche. So hard pass now on Porsche and Acura.

[@ECPP]

Acura and Honda fell mainly because of the 1.5L engine and some automatics

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

ah great to know as looking at a new MDX Acura as my next SUV so engine is good@@ECPP

[@Blue-moon12]

JD power ratings are rubbish

[@bghoody5665]

@@Blue-moon12 Agreed. JD Power quality ratings are open to the highest bidder.

[@jimmycain8669]

JD Power is fake

[@MisterTee]

I have an 18 A6 with the V6, competition package so it’s 340 horsepower and it’s been great.

[@Luminary2024]

Thinking about getting a g05 x5 40i (2019, about 65k kms). Anything I should be worried about? I know you are the used BMW information king! lol. Would really appreciate one of your informative responses on this.

[@ECPP]

Thanks Devan, you are right on the BMW experience and the B58 is their sweet spot for performance/economy/performance. This engine should give great service life but I would still do a PPI and even better if you can get some extended warranty. Service history is important, but places I would be watching are the mechanical water pump for possible weeps but not a terrible fix, coolant leaks anywhere else, and check valve covers if possible as well as the oil filter housing should be dry from both oil and coolant. Other than that, any car can have issues but generally these are pretty stout and the miles are not bad on the vehicle.

[@Luminary2024]

@@ECPP thanks man! very helpful! The extended warranty is so much though, they want almost 8-9k cad for 4-5 yrs warranty. I am thinking if its cheaper to just skip it and do repairs as they occur lol. Also, how safe is a stage 1 eurocharged? Not sure if it compromises reliability or not and to what degree.

[@fisephalnoxt]

@@Luminary2024 too much for the warranty, i will just put some money aside, get the ppi and buy the most reliable engine and 1 owner, with all the maintenance you can get.

[@tomasleiva5587]

BMW no thanks. My wife and dad had a 3 series and it caused so much stress and wasted money

[@ECPP]

They can especially with the wrong engines

[@GuitarsAndSynths]

but Lexus pulled a dick move to replace their long term reliable v6 with an unproven underpowered turbo 4 banger engine and increased price so long term reliability unknown!

[@ECPP]

Agreed, time will tell and I believe reliability may take a little bit of a back seat for the brand. We will have to watch for a bit to confirm or deny

[@MrDANDERSON77]

I’ve already heard that they are having problems on the Lexus and Toyota tundra with the turbos

[@germanengineering204]

​@@MrDANDERSON77Not surprised at all! Now maybe all the haters of German cars will understand there's a learning curve with new technology, and all brands will have some problems initially!

[@dennisd9554]

I had a deposit down on an IS 350 F-Sport. The blue was much prettier than that Acura. But I ended up getting an Audi A5 instead. The biggest factor was the hatchback and the extra space in the rear. You just can't get that in many sedans. The 350 had a normal small trunk. The A5 also gets much better gas mileage (I average 28, about 5 mpg better than the Lexus). Both have a very smooth ride and plush interiors (I will admit the Lexus seats were hands-down the best I've ever felt). But I liked the engine in the Audi better than the Lexus. It's hard to describe, but the Lexus just felt "thick" and sluggish compared to the Audi. Also, some of the tech is a little dated in the 350, like their touchpad on the center console. I am very happy with my A5, but I do miss that beautiful blue coat on the Lexus.

[@victorsimiyuwasilwa839]

The A5 is a nightmare. Lots of reliability issues. All Audi's are actually

[@Dansk55]

Good luck with your purchase. Worst car I've ever had was a Q5. Crap build quality

[@kevinf.6847]

Small correction: GS is rear wheel drive, es is front wheel though. But as a day to day driver, i don't mind it at all 1:59

[@danpeters6874]

One thing I’ve noticed about Lexus products (and some Acura products) over the last 5 years is that they’re starting to use cheaper materials on the interior. I would still prefer a Lexus over a BMW or Mercedes though

[@juliochingaling5824]

Thanx brother, great video and info. God bless.

[@ECPP]

Thank you for watching and have a great weekend

[@timothybracken1728]

hi there, big fan of your channel, can you tell me whats the best used luxury vehicle for under 10,000 ? would it be the 2nd or 3rd gen rx350 ? I can find under 10k with 100k+ miles. PRetty reliable, thoughts ? :) !!!

[@ECPP]

That sounds like a video I am working on very soon, stay tuned

[@timothybracken1728]

THANK YOU, I LOOK FORWARD TO IT MAN@@ECPP

[@DoubleAIV]

I just cant get past the Camry lines in the Lexus ES, GS.

[@AyaanKhan-ne7mt]

he hit the camera so hard it sent me flying

[@richarddespres8011]

I love the looks of the Acuras but they don't have the guts to back them up. I really like the GS-F but it's held on to its value just a little too much to fit my wallet. Honestly, I was really surprised by the reliability and value that I found in my XTS VSport. Stay away from the 3.6 NA V-6 and that car is bomb proof. It's got real leather which is an expensive upgrade for the Germans and a heads up display that only comes in upscale trims of the other brands, if at all. Before I bought it, I never would have thought that I'd talk up a Cadillac like this. Mind you I've still got my eye on a Jaaaaaggggg for the next car. Probably a 10-14 XFR or a late XKR or early F-Type R. Probably slightly less reliable and more expensive but who cares when you're having fun lol.

[@juhakiviranta6317]

Agree! But that Audi A6 is nothing else but broblems. ITS o shitbox and everybody know that

[@leom00n79]

Is Lexus IS 300 2023 reliable like the 350 IS ??? planning on getting Lexus IS 300 RWD

[@midcenturymodern9330]

0:09 Jebus! He cracked my screen again! 😲🤣 On a serious note, I find those Lexus radiator grills most disagreeable.

[@ECPP]

Haha, cheers

[@greathornedowl3644]

Thank you for your reviews and opinions. Lexus and Acura - luxury? Think "near luxury" like Buick was near Cadillac and Mercury was near Lincoln. Reliable and boring as a Camry or an Accord. BMW - not buying it, worked on many and beginning early 2000's plastic valve covers and cooling parts good to 50k. Audi - now you are talking

[@jovemarks855]

I have 2 BMW's and I don't recommend them because of reliability. I've spent a lot of money for repairs. I would go for Lexus.

[@shawnbl2048]

Where do they get these repair estimates Lexus charges me 175 for oil change . Those prices cant be from people who drives anywhere other than the mall or grocery store

[@ECPP]

Canada

[@thodoris_kou]

What do you think about the new BMW 2-series Gran Coupe (F44 4-cylinder engine 178hp)? Considering i don't make more than 7.500 miles per year, would you recommend it to own it for at least 10 years?

[@ECPP]

Always do your pre purchase inspection on a used BMW but generally with the B48 engine, chances are reliability are solid, as shown in other models. Keep up with maintenance and it should be a winner. The real question is if you line the fro t wheel drive platform. The style is nice on these cars but the drive is a little different than the rest of the rear wheel drive models. Generally a decent buy.

[@katoyimaenriqoup7366]

how about the 2016 Lexus IS 350 F SPORT? can i buy one?

[@ECPP]

100 percent

[@ricosantanaa]

Love the videos

[@ECPP]

Thank you very much

[@THIRSTCREAMtv]

Do one on luxury SUVs

[@ECPP]

Thanks

[@web7728]

hey mark how would you rate a the 840/850

[@MarcyDylan]

Don't care about the exterior of the car with hub caps etc...interested on its function and interior for comfort seating and visibility. What is the price point? Do they have fog lights? How do they handle in snow and ice? How are the driving panels?

[@ECPP]

Thanks

[@zbigt.1004]

Somehow Lexus as a brand doesn't seem to be as innovative as BMW. I'm not saying Lexus cars are boring, but BMW makes huge progress each time with new models coming out. More complex means less reliable, but can we imagine BMW being less sophisticated. Even Acura seems to try harder than before especially with new type S line.

[@ECPP]

nice

[@dee4277]

What are the years of the lexus ES 350?

[@andrewr3403]

Great video as always! I know you said the X3 M40 is very reliable. Would you say the X4 M40 is as reliable as the X3 I like the way the x4 looks more?

[@ECPP]

Yes, absolutely. Base is a b48 turbo 4 and built in a similar architecture but with 2 less cylinders and a little less power

[@andrewr3403]

@@ECPP awesome thank you!

[@jeffshaw3595]

I think 330i with the US 4 cylinder is the B46, not B48. It's just the emissions thing. Exactly same engine otherwise. No difference in performance. B48 is mostly sold ex-US.

[@ECPP]

Thanks for watching

[@bradleycrouser]

The Lexus ES 350 is, indeed, a luxurious and reliable car. It is not rear-wheel drive, however. It is FWD. The 250 version is AWD.

[@ECPP]

Great cars

[@martinkazako2292]

What do you think about LC500?

[@lordg13m]

Wonder what sunglasses those are. Look great!

[@ECPP]

Thanks

[@barta844]

My '13 GS350 has been far, far better than my '12 MB350 E in every respect, and much less expensive to maintain. The Lexus service experience is also far nicer than Mercedes in my experience.

[@oscarc.1852]

Hey! I LOVE your videos but I’m surprised & unimpressed by you stating that the ES 350 being rear wheel drive. It’s not!!

[@ZDM289]

I owned a 2015 320i and a 2017 A5 cab, the Audi has had tons more problems than BMW.

[@trapps75]

BMW Audi still money pits stay away from them unless you fix cars yourself or you have money to throw away and you don't care

[@vanessakelly7702]

Are these used?

[@ECPP]

A mix

[@hertzair1186]

In my opinion, Toyota and Lexus are overvalued, even used. Most Japanese brands are quite reliable and a much better value…especially Mazda, Infiniti, even Nissan. Just don’t get the CVT’s on the Nissan’s. Plus I’ve always found the styling on Toyota/Lexus a tad askew. I have a 2020 Infiniti QX80 and it has been flawless, and RepairPal validates that, stating average annual repair cost $638, and I’ve never had that much…in my first year of ownership.

[@ECPP]

They are very reliable and low cost but I also do agree to a point that people put on horse blinders just to get even a poor example. There are some many great options out there these days.

[@hertzair1186]

@@ECPP agreed

[@فيصل-ع8ز]

How about genesis G70 sports?

[@markwagner4909]

The ES350 are FWD or AWD The LS is a RWD or AWD

[@ECPP]

Yes Indeed

[@فيصل-ع8ز]

How about Kia stinger?

[@ninocalifa]

Nice video, Mark. I think you should start to actually drive cars also, man. You have very good opinions and reviews. I wish you all the best.

[@ECPP]

Thank you very much and I actually just started a review channel called “Six Speed Reviews”. Where I drive and review much closer

[@ninocalifa]

@@ECPP Subscribed!!!

[@terriacker8022]

The grill in Lexus is UGLY

[@SuperMacmac74]

I watch your vids to note about reliability , but notice you drive a jaguar 😂😂

[@ECPP]

Yes I am using it to test reliability….and have fun like theirs no tomorrow. Heers

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

I love the ES350,but I don't want a sunroof

[@Crypt0M0nkey]

Honestly. I’ve owned one BMW before it was the N54 engine probably the worst engine ever made reliability wise. But besides the engine, there were other things wrong with the car too. Just don’t trust BMW no matter what the media and “JD Power” is pushing.

[@gregthesplintercell]

Wait so these new BMWs can last over 300k miles like a Toyota/Lexus?

[@winstonmiu]

ES 350 is front wheel drive.

[@andreholmessr5464]

The es350 is not real wheel drive! Dude just be talking😢😢

[@northfulton92]

Love ❤️ your sunglasses 😎

[@ECPP]

Thanks

[@markwagner4909]

Nope to bmw I traded my 340ix for a Lexus RX 350 which was a huge upgrade than the bmw

[@ECPP]

Hi Mark you are right those are rock steady with that outgoing V6. Lexus now though is getting rid of that Na engine and the new turbo 2.4 will be a new challenge on reliability

[@germanengineering204]

Upgrade in reliability, but half the drivers car!!

[@markwagner4909]

@@germanengineering204 my Lexus doesn’t leak air from all over the doors. The 340 was a huge disappointment compared to the other three we had. Dealership could figure out why this was happening even after they replaced all the door seals But driving it in -8 degrees with all that cold air leaking in at shoulder height did not make for an enjoyable experience It was a beautiful automobile But my Lexus is much quieter and a much better ride and doesn’t have those ridiculous run flat tires

[@collierant]

I think those Lexus are front wheel drive not real wheel

[@nubreaks2]

Scotty says stay away from turbos.

[@ECPP]

Haha, funny because even Toyotas are all goi g turbos now too

[@markwagner4909]

I can’t imagine any turbo engines to have longevity

[@ECPP]

Lexus now though is going that way too. Time will tell. Either way, Lexus tends to prioritize reliability regardless of tech

[@markwagner4909]

@@ECPP oh I know. Been thinking about getting a 2022 RX with the 3.5 liter as an extra in case the one I’m currently driving gets total 😆

[@germanengineering204]

Turbo engines often can go 0ver 200k no problem! That's a lot imo. What do you want them to last 4 to 500k miles lol?

[@markwagner4909]

@@germanengineering204 hey it would work for me!

[@blackice7408]

The es is fwd

[@American_King]

Good job Mark I have the Lexus Es 350

[@hussainalzubydy7815]

Es 350. 2023 ???

[@stuartfisher1640]

Aldi's of beautiful cars but have terrible reliability

[@lesklower7281]

The same again Lexuses and the Acura and a BMW and Audi thrown in for good measure

[@harikrishnankalakkal]

ES is fwd

[@AyaanKhan-ne7mt]

what in the sigma was that grimacne

[@donaldbanner2185]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm? "Beautiful & Fake" I'm ThiMk'n do not belong in the same sentence???! I.e. "Beautiful Fake ventilation" air intake that are plastic OUCH! on the Acura.

[@ECPP]

They can live together on the same car

[@jailynjefferson]

Ayo why’d he smack the fuck outta us god damn

[@ECPP]

Thanks for watching

[@jailynjefferson]

@@ECPP thanks for giving out cool information looking for a decent luxury car to buy the most reliable one at that I’ll continue doing my research you’re feed back is appreciated thanks for the interesting videos

[@jayyoung1241]

U funny man 😂

[@ECPP]

Thank you

[@hetanosgago9508]

As always I enjoy watching this channel! But I guess audi 3.0t does not make supercharged engines since 2016. 2017 and up they make twin turbocharger.

[@arnsteinholm7372]

Rusty Audi ?

[@ECPP]

K

[@MrLuba6a]

whatever you say about Audi, you are always wrong! Nothing to do with reliability...

[@ECPP]

Nice

[@MrLuba6a]

@@ECPP you didn't mention my car though: LS500H-much better than Audi, any Audi 🙊

[@kenty6973]

Reliability of Audi???

[@ECPP]

Well…..

[@willtheway98]

For a car guy n channel. You need to be more knowledgeable about what you’re talking about. Most Lexus are fwd just like the es350 that you first mentioned. 😅

[@sam44464]

8:38

[@majood245]

Never. I MEAN NEVER EVER EVER buy a newer Toyota or Lexus products again. But a Honda and Acura I’m fan with those and it’s way more cheaper than Toyotas. Old Toyota is the best reliability. But newer one 2022 2023 models all of the Toyotas and Lexuses the quality just going downhill

[@erik0073]

Supply chain problems impacting all industries.

[@majood245]

@@erik0073here’s the problematic with a Turbo engine with a small engine they ditched the 3.5 V6 and they switched to four cylinder turbo and hybrid. For a small cars that’s not bad at all. But for a SUVs trucks that’s a hilarious

[@DemetriousColeman-h7c]

Am ad

[@seannotaro473]

❤

[@smaug1201]

I'm in a 2018 genesis g90 163k miles very minor issues over the years. Wonder if it can hang with Lexus longer term.

[@Wordsley]

0:04 Logs are underrated 🪵

[@ECPP]

Boom

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

I also love the blue Acura

[@dennisd9554]

You should look at the IS 350 F-Sport in blue. Best looking blue IMO.

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

@dennisd9554 yes, they are great cars and they look great 👍

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

I don't want an Audi either

[@ECPP]

Don’t like them?

[@Vincent-ke5zn]

@ECPP no, they cost too much money and they are in the shop more than on the road

[@mwn7521]

I do not keep my car that long so i do not care about ugly grille and boring Lexus ES350. IS is ugky .i never spend money to buy luxury cars with 4 cylinders. 4 cylinder cars are boring .

[@ECPP]

Same, F type R and SC V8 for the win