THESE COMPLICATED YU-GI-OH CARDS BROKE MY BRAIN

[@aaronking2020]

Every old Ritual Monster that says "this card can only be Ritual Summoned by [Ritual Spell]" is just straight up lying.

[@dudono1744]

would be nice to have such restriction on disco ball

[@Ramsey276one]

Golden Rule: Card text goes, regardless of rules XD

[@luminous3558]

Except when it doesnt because the card has not been printed in the last 20 years and therefor has no PSCT.

[@banana9494]

@@Ramsey276one not always true unfortunately. only in most cases and with newer cards

[@ich3730]

@@Ramsey276one literally wrong xD

[@TheGuyWhoIsSitting]

Pole Position Continuous Trap When this card is activated: Call a judge over. This card gets thrown into the trash by the judge, and you are now disqualified for running a deck with less than 40 cards/a deck different from the decklist you submitted.

[@espurrseyes42]

This effect cannot be negated.

[@Rahnonymous]

In the trash, where it belongs. That card is an abomination to mankind

[@theabsurdityseries5597]

They actually fixed pole position Now it destroys itself in event of loop

[@66Roses]

Maybe I'm just thick, but I don't understand how Pole Position causes a loop.

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

​@@66Rosesso Pole Position doesn't really cause a *loop* in the classic infinite loop/endless sequence, what it does is cause a paradox/circular reasoning. What happens is that: 1. Pole position makes the highest attack monster unaffected by card effects 2. If the monster was the highest attack monster *because* of a card effect, it is now no longer the strongest monster 3. Because it's no longer the strongest monster, it is now affected by effects again 4. Because it is affected by cards again, it is now the highest attack monster again And then you go back to 1. Its not so much an "infinite loop" as much as it is a card having two mutually exclusive qualities simultaneously.

[@ogeid772]

Shoutout to the judges at YCS Rio 2016 that ruled that if Book of Eclipse changed a Paleozoic Trap Monster to face-down, it would cause them to forget that they became monsters when they were flipped back up, but since they are also not traps anymore, they would be immediately sent to the grave by game mechanics, meaning they also wouldnt get the draw off of Book of Eclipse, because that would happen before BoE had a chance to check how many monsters were changed to face-up

[@animationtv426]

my brain hurts

[@jk844100]

Well the official ruling is that if a trap monster if flipped face down it returns to the S/T zone. If there’s no space in the S/T zone then it is sent to the graveyard.

[@Yoran507]

@@jk844100 That is only true for monsters that are STILL traps like Embodiment of Apophis. For monsters that are NOT traps like The Prime Monarch, they just remain in face-down Defense Position in the Monster Zones, and are affected by Book of Eclipse as usual.

[@absentmindedshirokuma8539]

@@Yoran507 what would happen if those trap monster banished temporarily? Like if you use world legacy clash on it?

[@suisui5930]

@@absentmindedshirokuma8539 my opponent banish my metal slime in master duel with sky striker zehek and next turn it go back to my field

[@dragonknight1560]

What about the Guardian Eatos' Equip Spell that misses timing ON EATOS OWN EFFECT?! That's so stupid by the way.

[@Shemegory]

In a similar vein, Amaterasu was unable to resolve in the NA TCG

[@megamimikyu0720]

Crop circles is actually even more painful. It’s an illegal activation if you don’t have a target. The burn effect can only apply if the card is activated and a chained card removes the viable target you had in deck from the deck.

[@SkullOfDreams]

Oh no...

[@The_Great_Butler]

Secret Crossout tech for the mirror.

[@megamimikyu0720]

@@The_Great_Butler you mean crossout designator? that just negates all copies of what you banish from your own deck, including your opponent's copies, it doesn't banish from the opponent's deck. the only cards i can think of that could be chained to do this are spell speed 2 mill-based cards, like hand destruction or trickstar reincarnation, and they need enough luck for the intended summon to be removed by the mill.

[@The_Great_Butler]

@@megamimikyu0720 It was a joke, but theoratically, you could chain Crossout to discard the card you need in deck and burn yourself to assert dominance.

[@The_Great_Butler]

@@megamimikyu0720 Though if you Crossout Crops' search, it negates all effects just like Called by, right? Would it try to burn you while negated in a new chain after the first one resolves, or would the chain just resolve with the search negated?

[@DarkJ3sterf]

Honestly thought this would’ve been a bigger list. Isn’t there a NORMAL spell card that has to be activated during the Standby phase? Can’t remember the name, would’ve been a nice inclusion.

[@seeker606]

Curse of Fiend!

[@Majoraspersona]

The reason it works like that is probably because it was made before there were different types of spell cards (other than Field). It's the same reason Swords of Revealing Light isn't a Continuous spell card, despite functioning exactly like one otherwise.

[@WarriorofZero]

@@Majoraspersona Curse of Fiend was released in the same set that introduced Quick-Play Spells (Magic/Spell Ruler) So nah, they just made it needlessly complicated. lol

[@alfian4653]

I watched the stream and I think someone did mention curse of fiend.

[@NOBODYCARESSTEVE]

It also has to be set for a turn before activating it due to some antiquated ruling

[@YukiHeroYGO]

I pray MBT and Dire to never stop giving us this content. These Yugioh Twitter threads are golden

[@FrostyBulborb]

nice profile pic! also bot momment

[@TrevorAllenMD]

I’m still convinced Linear Equation Cannon is just 3x trap version of That Grass Looks Greener, but Yu-Gi-Oh! Players aren’t smart enough to use it so it’s just been slept on forever.

[@leafbladie]

It really isn’t, it’s so difficult to set that card up right

[@TrevorAllenMD]

@@leafbladie there are a few easy / regular cases though where you can use it with 1 or 0 on board and just memorize the math answers. I think. But honestly idk, I’m not reading it again.

[@kindlingking]

Don't pursue this foolish dream. No matter how hard you believe, only a failure awaits in the end.

[@winter945]

The problem with it is you already need a beefy graveyard to get it to be worth it, at which point you probably won't be needing a trap card to mill you a bunch

[@mattr791]

Its unsearchable and requires you to already have a bunch of cards in gy so its never really been used. However it is funny and playable in tearelement coming out soon

[@jeremyadkins9665]

Okay, you mentioned the problem with A Legendary Ocean being treated as Umi, and we all know about the same issue with the first four Harpie Lady retrains (#1-#3 and Cyber)... but I can't believe Gunkan Suship Shari Red manages to get around this problem, by saying that it's treated as "Suship Shari" while in the Deck, instead of it being ALWAYS treated as such. Ever since that card came out, I keep having to explain to my roommate, whenever it's brought up, that no, it doesn't work like A Legendary Ocean or Cyber Harpie Lady... it's special.

[@oranganewton]

Two of my friends in a duel a few years ago Player 1: activate Card of Destruction Player 2: on resolution activate Draw Discharge Player 1 reveals a hand filled with Dangers and never plays the deck again against that friend

[@Merilirem]

Darkworlds and Dangers are silly.

[@Darkpyromaniac16]

Honorary mention to World Legacy Secrets which also negates at resolution, but also only checks if a monster effect has been activated in the column the same column as a mekk-knight you control at resolution. So a monster can activate its effect, leave the field, then have Indigo Eclipse slide into the column the monster was just in, and still negate the effect

[@NeviTheLettyFan]

Yeah I've lost to that before, it's hilarious

[@RedMage4evah]

I dropped Goldilocks the Battle Landscaper on a Mekk knight player. They did not know that ruling with World Legacy Secrets. Half their field, gone in an instant LOL

[@Ramsey276one]

Indigo Eclipse is an MLB 3rd Base! XD

[@MisterAnimann]

You cannot run from Move Man

[@aldinlewis5579]

My favorite thing about yugioh rulings is all the times cards are ruled to work certain ways “just because.” Most of the time cards work the way they do just to avoid them working in some more disastrous way.

[@meisterschwert]

Inspector Boarder, because True Draco really needed monsters 8-11.

[@ogeid772]

You can run 4 copies?

[@sdquad6]

The fourth monster is you

[@isaacreeves9263]

@@sdquad6 I'm not ready for this level of existential crisis, you bastard

[@JakeFish5058]

This comment is why no one plays linear equation cannon

[@animationtv426]

huh?

[@sunphoenix26]

The original printing of Waboku has text on it that absolutely did not represent what the card was actually intended to do. It was playable only because all players just kind of accepted the spirit of the effect.

[@Symptomofsynesthesy]

Yeah, I still own some copy of that, it was so strange back then

[@pokeninjafireemblem]

God, back in the day, one of my friends said that because my copy of Waboku didn't have the updated text, it didn't have the updated effect

[@nellewoodruff6337]

Also Hallowed life barrier. It only mentions damage negation, but not the monster protecting part

[@Merilirem]

@@pokeninjafireemblem I would like to play him with my original Chaos Deck lol.

[@xCorvus7x]

@@Merilirem CED for the win

[@atamisirli3620]

One of my favorties is while not very complicated is "Rage with the eyes of Blue" If you chain mst into it it will send it to the graveyard and sinse its not able to banish itself from the grave the card will not resolve but its restriction will still apply.

[@thegodofallakira6349]

MST NEGATE

[@Sillimant_]

@@thegodofallakira6349 literally the only time it can negate a normal or quickplay spell as far as I'm aware

[@Yoran507]

@@Sillimant_ Nothing is being negated. It's just Rage with Eyes of Blue not being able to resolve properly.

[@theabsurdityseries5597]

@@Yoran507 so its negated

[@MFChickenFlipper]

@@theabsurdityseries5597 I'd say missed timing, since no negation took place.

[@alfian4653]

I'm surprised no one talked about Five Headed Dragon's old text, which said this card doesn't take battle damage and then at the very end said battle damage is still inflicted to the players. Does it take battle damage or not? Or is the card now a THIRD player in the duel?

[@jarzz3601]

ah yes one of the few cards that refer to battle damage to monsters which is just not a mechanic in yugioh :D

[@tomasgoes]

So many heads it grew sentience.

[@lamiaprincess6371]

@@jarzz3601 It's one of those holdovers from when Yugioh was trying to emulate Magic closely, it is still referring to destruction by battle but saying it in an obtuse way.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@chaospudding Hallowed Life Barrier did

[@kauanjos3199]

It just means he still takes Emotional damage

[@bazkervillerouge750]

This is your Progression Series. I will need 3 of this per week.

[@PhoenixPlayer404]

I cant wait for season 2

[@DeviousHands]

Season 2; tumblr threads

[@Nocturne989]

When YGO cards are closer to the LSAT than a single fucking thing you learn in Law School

[@ContraryASMR]

Activation failure for Crop Circles would still occur if all targets were milled out in a chain ig

[@FishFosh]

Shouldn't it just resolve without effect in that case? It only deals 2k to you if you failed to find a monster to summon, but if all the targets were milled higher up in the chain then by current rules you shouldn't be allowed to search your deck at all. It's just vestigial text from an old Master Rule version where activating it with no targets in your deck would have been legal.

[@juangregoire8976]

@@FishFosh it's just old text, do not take it at face value. "Fail to find" in Crop Circles' text means "if this effect resolves, but you cannot summon, you take 2000 damage instead". If Crop Circles is legally activated, but another effect is chained, like Vanity's Emptiness (cannot Special Summon), Needlebug Nest (mill 5), Present Card (draw 5) or Ojama Trio (summons 3 Tokens and the Main Monster Zones are full), and it's now impossible to summon an Alien from the Deck, then Crop Circles resolves inflicting 2000 damage. It has always worked this way. The only thing that changed (15(?) years ago) is the activation no longer being legal without an Alien in the Deck.

[@GeneralNickles]

I actually ran into the legendary ocean ruling at a regional one time. Dude was playing pacifis, and we both got deck checked. Turns out he had 3 pacifis, and 2 legendary ocean. The judge came up and told him, and he couldn't wrap his head around why that was illegal.

[@GeneralNickles]

@@pennypincher21 yeah, you gotta just realize that there are reasons they do these things. Like how all the cyber dragons are all treated as "cyber dragon" while on the field or in the grave, but not in deck. If they were treated as cyber dragon in deck, then you wouldn't have a cyber dragon deck. You'd have 3 cards called cyber dragon. Konami wanted a cyber dragon deck to exist, and wanted them all named cyber dragon, so they had to do it that way.

[@jofx4051]

A Legendary Ocean = Umi Pacifics = Umi You can't use 5 copies of Umi in a single deck

[@n0ame1u1]

Now there's that new Suship card that changes its name in the deck, BUT it's an effect not a condition so it doesn't apply during deckbuilding

[@Merilirem]

@@pennypincher21 THIS WAS ME. They should have always been extra copies but because of the way the wording works they are just replacements. My first Harpy deck was really sad when it found that out. Some decks needed 9+ copies of key monsters the whole time to activate effects and the mess up that was this text just ruined the potential they had to be even slightly usable.

[@HIRUMA59290]

@@n0ame1u1 new suship card ?!? WER ?

[@Jolfgard]

4:30 There is not card called "A Legendary Ocean". You wanna limit or ban "A Legendary Ocean"? Too bad, it's not possible. Just ban Umi.

[@kindlingking]

Which one?

[@DeadlyLight101]

@@kindlingking Yes

[@corbinkendall6330]

So does this apply to all cards in this catagory. Say hypothetically konami wants limit harpie lady 1 to 2 in duel links. Because that cards name is always treated as Harpie lady youd still theoretically be able to play 3 copies because "Harpie lady 1" is not a card name

[@DeadlyLight101]

@@corbinkendall6330 The real answer is that the printed name on all the cards is what is referenced on the banlist. The banlist isn't beholden to in-game mechanics and thus these effects are meaningless to the banlist. Konami can simply say "A Legendary Ocean" is banned, meaning the Field Spell with the printed name "A Legendary Ocean" is banned, regardless of what its name would be if you were to attempt to add it to your deck. The condition that permanently changes a card's name only begins relevance once deck construction is undertaken. Before that, it doesn't matter.

[@Jolfgard]

@@corbinkendall6330 Can I quote the "always" on the card? MBT already pointed out that "always" refers to deck construction already. Is it that much of a stretch to assume it also refers to banned and restricted cards?

[@MarioLopez-xs3vc]

Soft once per duel? I immediately thought of Dasher, because of its unique wording. Get it out of the Graveyard and its one time effect SHOULD be usable again. Not like most people ever would outside of maybe after popping Dominance for an OTK line and it gets stuffed(probably from forgetting about Pot of Prosperity's damage halving effect, it happens).

[@jofx4051]

Evenly Matched, Lightning Storm, Dimension Shifter and Gnomaterial will fall into this near category

[@leonfire99]

But does musical sumo dice games win for your oponent if it's on his side when it gets 6 materials?

[@Elleraiser]

yes! funniest shit i ever seen

[@SquibbyJ]

I think it does. Which is hilarious. The idea I guess being that you’ll be focusing on keeping valid material loaded on your side

[@corbinkendall6330]

Does this still work if you add cards to its materials via another affect as long as the final card added to the materials was a part of "musical sumo dice games' " effect?

[@bampfibus5773]

also where does it go if it lands on a towers?

[@manjackson2772]

@@corbinkendall6330 Yes. It says "if this effect causes its materials to exceed", meaning that instance of that effect. But the real question is, if you put the sixth material on it by some other card effect, can it ever win the game? Venom Swamp doesn't destroy monsters whose ATK was already 0, after all.

[@rairaidani]

6:00 There isn't anything too weird about Leading Lady. It doesn't miss timing. The when condition is being destroyed by battle, and that won't miss timing. The OCG text is basically all "if..., you can...". TCG decided to be extra and translate it as a "when" and an "if".

[@DourPrize]

I fucking hate the dichotomy between when and if in Yu-Gi-Oh. Outside of this game there's no difference.

[@alfian4653]

An abyss actor player said it does miss timing in Master Duel, even if it's destroyed by card effect.

[@jk844100]

@@DourPrize there is a difference between “when” and “if” even outside the game. Here’s a copy/paste example (with explanation) “ *If* Jim comes back to the office, can you tell him I’ve gone home.” The speaker does not know whether Jim is coming back to the office. It is possible, but not definite. “ *When* Jim comes back to the office, can you tell him I’ve gone home.” The speaker is certain that Jim is coming back to the office.

[@Yoran507]

Check the OCG text again. It is "when" for both destroyed by battle and opponent's card effect.

[@rairaidani]

Checked again and I was in fact wrong. OCG text is a "when" effect, so it makes sense that it could miss timing in MD as it follows OCG rulings. TCG text is still an anomaly by translating it as a "when" and an "if".

[@66Roses]

Mystical Refpanel is an interesting case, because it isn't complicated and very understandable at first blush. Then you realize that targeting a _player_ isn't officially part of the game's mechanics.

[@qty1315]

Funny how, in the future, targeting a player to get them to remove their own monster is becoming one of the best forms of removal.

[@3flax554]

Surprised Silent Wobby was not mentioned. I don’t think anyone understood how that card worked on their first read-through.

[@GeneralNickles]

Most people still don't. I ran into that ruling at a regional a couple months ago with a mystic mine player.

[@Rahnonymous]

TLDR; Gain 2000LP and the opponent draws, not the other way around (not saying this because you don't know, I'm saying this inb4 someone asks for clarification)

[@dp101]

It was in the original thread and he did talk about it, just didn't make it into this video fsr.

[@SuperSayianWarrior]

What's funny is I knew how it worked right away

[@secretlyaslug2325]

I read it thought the first time was was like "how come no one plays this? It's a free special summon of a 4 that gives your opponent life points and only limits hand size which wont matter ones you XYZ with it?" But I have no fucking clue how to read it lmao.

[@olacola15]

Back in the day I thought it was complicated explaining to my friends that MST doesn't negate.

[@tyranitararmaldo]

As someone who didn't know about ZW Pegasus Twin Saber until encountering it on Master Duel...fuck this card. I do not like chaining an effect to a Utopia 57209 the Dragon penis bla bla bla, and then being negated without being informed of it in a game with a very strict timer in the corner.

[@tomasgoes]

Do the combo and then... "NO".

[@alexanderwinter6564]

Everything’s fun and games until you have to explain Inspector Boarder

[@SquibbyJ]

I wish musical sumo dice game couldn’t be used as material or had some kind of protection. It seems so bad and so fun

[@MegaBichiX]

I'm still waiting for some MTG style bullshit card involving the many versions of UMI that just fuses two together. Something like, "Target one UMI you control; reveal a UMI card with a different name from outside the game, the targeted card gains the effects of the revealed card"

[@delta3244]

I love that idea. It would be fun if there were a cycle of cards deliberately built around it. (if "outside the game" = "sideboard" as in MtG, those cards should only have identical names while a duel is taking place (to avoid the deckbuilding restriction being relevant))

[@MegaBichiX]

@@delta3244 while mtg does count the sideboard as "outside the game", that wouldnt work in yugioh due to the restriction of 3 copies rules that limits you from playing various versions of Umi and Harpy lady, but a deck who's gimmick is using the MTG Wish mechanic that would be either really broken or really useless depending the restrictions they impose on them

[@delta3244]

@@MegaBichiX See the bracketed portion of my reply

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

So basically just check for the card's original name rather than what it is treated as

[@Pocket-Calculator]

Solidarity goes around this by using the "(printed)" condition. So it would be something like "Target one UMI card with a different (printed) name..."

[@megaguy4445]

I love dire giving out blizzards addres instead lol

[@GeneralNickles]

I can't believe no one mentioned onomatopaira. Utopic Onomatopoeia literally says "this card is ALWAYS treated as a "gogogo", "dododo", gagaga", and "zubaba" card." It is all 4 of those. ALL of them. ALWAYS. Onomatopaira states that you can add up to 2 cards of those archetypes to your hand, but they can't match archetypes. They have to be different. And you would think that means you straight up CAN'T search Utopic Onomatopoeia if you intend to search anything else along with it. Because no matter what you search, it will always match one of the archetypes. But no! That's not how it works. That would make ENTIRELY too much sense. The official ruling is that you CAN search Utopic Onomatopoeia alongside ANY monster of any of those archetypes, regardless of what they match on Utopic Onomatopoeia. Why? Who the fuck knows! Cuz Konami said so, that's why! This ruling is literally saying that Utopic Onomatopoeia, in fact, IS NOT treated as all 4 of those archetypes at all times, because if it was, onomatopaira would not work that way. This ruling is literally saying that you can CHOOSE which of those 4 archetypes you want Utopic Onomatopoeia to be, and when you want it to be them. It is the single fucking stupidest ruling in the ENTIRE game, because it directly contradicts the text written on not one, but TWO different cards.

[@tubegerm6732]

nah, that makes perfect sense. i don't see what you find so weird about it.

[@delta3244]

Onomatopaira tells you to add 1 card each of 2 different categories of monster to your hand. You can pick those 2 categories out of 'gogogo,' 'dododo,' 'gagaga,' and 'zubaba.' The way the card works is that you decide on two categories to add, and for each of those categories, add one card from them. If you choose to add a gogogo and a gagaga monster, you can add Gogogo Golem, because it's a gogogo monster, and you can simultaniously add Utopic Onomatopoeia, because it's a gagaga monster. The fact that Utopic Onomatopoeia is a gogogo monster is completely irrelevant, because onomatopaira doesn't state that the added monsters can't share a category. It only states that you must choose monsters from different categories.

[@GeneralNickles]

@@delta3244 the card literally says "(you cannot add 2 from the same category)" That explicitly means you can't add two cards that share the same category. And Utopic Onomatopoeia shares at least one category with EVERY monster that has any of those categories in its name. No where on either card does it say "just fucking choose whatever the fuck you want and go with that cuz why the fuck not." Cards like "Dodododwarf Gogogoglove" have 2 of those categories in there names ON PURPOSE. Specifically to make it harder to use them with onomatopaira. If you could just choose which one each monster counts as, then the restriction of them not matching has absolutely no reason to even be on the card in the first place.

[@delta3244]

@@GeneralNickles The bracketed text is a clarification that you have to choose two different categories out of those that follow. It is not a restriction on the cards added by the effect. It probably should be phrased "you can't choose the same category twice" instead of as it currently is. (it is worth noting that the Japanese printing of the card does not have any text which would imply a restriction on the added cards like the one you claim exists) Do you have evidence that Dodododwarf Gogogoglove cannot be searched by Onomatopaira alongside e.g. Gogogo Golem? I can't find any rulings on the subject.

[@GeneralNickles]

@@delta3244 if the Japanese text doesn't say that you can't choose the same category twice (assuming that's even what the English text means, which it clearly isn't.) Then why was such a restriction added to the English version? And more to the point, why was it so horrendously worded? Because the way it's ruled perfectly contradicts what's written on the card. This is even worse than the whole Lose 1 Turn debacle when that first came out.

[@Moriartyisreal]

That new address clip 😂

[@TurtonatorGuy]

This just reminds me of Poison Draw Frog and the decks that would try synchro summoning with it to get the draw.

[@Blackacre438]

I see Linear Equation Cannon didn't make the video, shame bc thats the funniest card Ive ever seen

[@Urd-Vidan]

Cerulean Skyfire is such a fun card to play against people in MD. It's hilarious when I am able to negate a Super Poly or Counter trap and the board just stays still, the other player probably reading Cerulean Skyfire's effect and still gets confused.

[@Jolfgard]

0:32 In the not so far future of 2121 the earth will be doomed since scientists are too busy figuring out Nirvana High Paladin to combat climate change.

[@OpDDay2001]

It is cute that you think that the problem isn't severe enough to not be irreparable for another 99 years still. We're more then 30 years too late combating climate change... it is all mitigation now, and we're failing at even that.

[@Jolfgard]

@@OpDDay2001 I just think that I'm invisible

[@flamboyantwarlock7101]

There's a MTG meme along the lines of "reading the card explains the card." That only applies to yugioh if you're an actual lawyer.

[@randomprotag9329]

ignoring summoning conditions is peak complicated rulings that does not look like it came from a children card game. its the prime example of why PSCT is not finished when stuff like targeting players that only applies to one card is ignored

[@megamachopop]

It's just a rule like any other. It's not that hard to understand. Otherwise you start putting the rulings on cards like lots of older card used to do: "Ignoring its Summoning conditions (as long as it was properly Summoned first)". You don't need to put rules on the card because they're already rules.

[@Merilirem]

@@megamachopop Those cards need to be fixed so they work is the issue. Flat Top should be able to summon that card. Thats the point of it isn't it?

[@megamachopop]

@@Merilirem If it didn't say "ignoring its Summoning conditions", it wouldn't be able to Summon SKY FIRE even if it was properly Summoned.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@megamachopop The problem is, it cannot summon SKY FIRE if it wasn't properly summoned, because it tries to summon from an area with public knowledge. This is actually why Malefic Paradigm Dragon puts the banished Synchro back in the extra deck before cheating it out

[@megamachopop]

@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 That's what I said.

[@ShimizuSolace]

Damn bro, MBT lives at Blizzard's headquarters?

[@junkyardbronze3531]

Gotta bring this up since no one else did but last turn is such a ruling nightmare that even though it can come back now. The amount of headaches caused by ruling this card will forever keep it in banlist purgatory.

[@Rurike]

I thought it was moreso cause it was fairly easy to win with by getting a special summon blocker out

[@FakeHeroFang]

At most it should still be limited so you can't use Trap Trick to set Last Turn from the deck, because I'm sure there's ways to search out Jowgen fairly easily.

[@randomprotag9329]

last turn does not have psct so with good psct it might not be more of a ruling issue than other cards that are legal.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@randomprotag9329 If you have 1000 or less LP: Target 1 monster you control; send all other cards on the field and in both player's hands to the GY, then, your opponent must Special Summon 1 monster from their Deck in face-up Attack Position, and declare an attack on the targeted monster (neither player takes damage from that battle). During the End Phase after this card was activated, the only player that has a monster on the field wins the Duel (any other result ends in a DRAW instead)

[@patroricklenizle]

Being primarily a MtG player learning that failing to find off of RoTA constitutes a warning from a judge is baffling to me. I would hate to have to keep mental count of all my legal targets throughout a game. Biggest shock since learning there is no mulligan rule.

[@patroricklenizle]

@Cearus C You're not wrong. It's just odd to me that you get punished for failing to find beyond just being down a card for no effect.

[@ericscharmberg7107]

@@patroricklenizle Yugioh has a lot of strange tournament rules. Where magic is pretty lax about things at FNM, yugioh tends to be a lot more series at locals.

[@Scapegoat-po2ou]

@@patroricklenizle You are warned because activating RoTA with no legal targets in deck is an illegal activation of the card, as is the activation of any card that cannot be fully resolved at the time of activation. A classic example is Lumina, Lightsworn Summoner, who cannot activate her effect unless there is already a lightsworn in the GY, even if you were planning on pitching a Lightsworn monster as cost (since you could then theoretically pitch a non Lightsworn monster card and force the effect to fizzle). It can definitely feel a bit suffocating compared to how MTG handles those sorts of things but as much as I love the goofy combos that come about from it in Magic, more unintended synergies and combos are among the last things YGO needs. Mulligans in YGO would also be terrifying.

[@Scapegoat-po2ou]

@@ericscharmberg7107 All the locals I've played at have been quite lax/chill. Searching only to find no legal targets wouldn't even result in a judge call, just shuffle+cut the deck and keep playing. At regionals and up, however, I do agree that YGO's tournament rules are really strange compared to MTG's.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@Scapegoat-po2ou I partially blame Magical Explosion FTK because they could abuse failing to find

[@preidar6483]

new idea: make a post about monsters whit names that scream "win the duel" but the actual effect is like special summon a monster from the graveyard for example: Number XX Utopic Dark Infinity sounds hella good but he just summons from the graveyard

[@samurexatlas7373]

5:05 So, neat thingy here. It's name is both "A Legendary Ocean" AND "Umi"

[@adrijanmajeric5560]

I don’t think it is given how mind crush interacts with this card (at least in the OCG) “Q: A Legendary Ocean and Lemuria, the Forgotten City are always treated as Umi, but can Mind Crush be activated by declaring either A Legendary Ocean or Lemuria, the Forgotten City? A: No, it cannot. A Legendary Ocean and Lemuria, the Forgotten City are always treated as Umi, so if you want to declare them with Mind Crush, you must declare Umi. (In that case, the opponent would have to discard any copies of Umi, A Legendary Ocean, or Lemuria, the Forgotten City.)”

[@Photoloss]

Isn't there a separate phrasing for that? "This card's name is _also_ (always?) treated as..." versus "This card's name is (always) treated as..."

[@geiseric222]

@@adrijanmajeric5560 this came up in progression with the judge pleading with them to just call umi

[@CriAleMar]

@@Photoloss It's like the Harpie Lady ruling, but more of a headache. At least newer Harpies say "on the field or in the GY" to be treated as the original.

[@theblackx9429]

Harpies be like

[@InsolentCrow]

The ruling that cards that say IGNORING IT'S SUMMONING CONDITIONS don't ignore summoning conditions makes me irrationally angry.

[@Brawler_1337]

IIRC, it’s because the OCG gives Nomi monsters like SKY FIRE an additional type denoting that it cannot be summoned except with its summoning condition, and this is why Dark Flattop can’t get around it. It’s still stupid because of regional differences that shouldn’t affect the rules of the game, but at least overseas it makes sense.

[@uaeoaeoeoi]

In the case of cards like the Umi alternates that are always treated as [card name], them being searchable by their own name makes sense if you consider that their effect to mean they are simultaneously considered both their own name and [card name], though it would be helpful to add text to clarify this on such cards themselves though rather than relying on the detail that they don't specify that they change their name in the effect, just that they are treated as [card name].

[@carpedm9846]

There are 2 types of name replacement, one is "this card's name is ALSO treated as XYZ", which is the key issue. Legendary Ocean doesnt ALSO treat itself as umi. It is always just umi. I think theres no situation where something not being an "also" replacement is good for ruling, but as is its a mess

[@anemodude9544]

that one spell card that requires to be set before activating is so dumb

[@ContraryASMR]

Curse of Fiend, which would be a cool if not good effect if it didn't need to be set first

[@ygodecktestertube]

Inspector Boarder is simple: you can only use monster effects up to the number of different types of monsters you have on the field.

[@ericscharmberg7107]

I think the card just needs cleaner text.

[@bird__xyz9520]

Leading Lady's "if" has nothing to do with timing, it's about the position of the card. The card design is avoiding the case where its destroyed from the spell and trap zone (because its a pendulum card). People get confused because instead of reading the whole effect they just cherry pick a random "if" in the middle of it.

[@driptcg]

Im fairly certain its the exact opposite: If has two distinct activating conditions (battle destruction or effect destruction) so each is read seoerately since only one of the two is ever applicable, since she wont be simultaneously destroyed by battle AND card effects. Yes, it is an "if" that makes her not lose timing

[@12thLevelSithLord]

When you give a word like "if" such importance in your game, where it has specific rules surrounding it, it's best not to use it except in the specific rules cases you've come up with, and avoid using it as a normal conjunction. If the "if" in Leading Lady wasnt meant to carry the weight "if" normally does when it comes to triggered effects like that, they should've written it differently.

[@AndyBrixton999]

To my understanding, one of the effects can miss timing and the other one can't. Which shouldn't be a problem since both cannot happen at the same time (as pointed out, the card can't be destroyed by battle AND by card effect simultaneously).

[@driptcg]

Also I forgot to mention: i dont even think there's even such a thing as missing timing due to being destroyed by battle. Maybe someone can give me a counter example? I've just never seen it, since you'll (to my knowledge) never be destroyed by battle while resolving a Chain Link

[@xxyxjj]

@@driptcg im thinking something like hayate that has a battle effect can make it miss timing on the striker's turn. Hayate attacks-> destroys leading lady -> hayate cl1 -> leading lady cl2 which misses timing

[@rroadagain2810]

I see that Inspector Boarder is such a hard card to understand that even when reading it out loud MBT immediately gets the first line of the text wrong. It's certainly not "unless" you control a monster. Does that matter? No, but I did find it funny, which is why we're here anyways.

[@MrChillaxin2010]

Did you know Dillingerous Dragon's effects are both a hard AND soft once per turn?

[@TheWackyWorkbench]

Pls explain HOW THE FC *this comment bas been censored by the algorithm*

[@shawnli4746]

Just checked. Both are HOPT. *You can only use each effect of "Dillingerous Dragon" once per turn.*

[@MrChillaxin2010]

@@shawnli4746 But the first effect starts with “Once per turn” too.

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@shawnli4746 *Once per turn, during your opponent's End Phase:* You can target 1 Attack Position monster your opponent controls that did not declare an attack this turn; destroy it, and if you do, inflict damage to your opponent equal to that monster's original ATK. If a "Rokket" monster(s) is Special Summoned to your field, while this card is in your GY (except during the Damage Step): You can Special Summon this card, but banish it when it leaves the field. *You can only use each effect of "Dillingerous Dragon" once per turn.* The first effect is literally both a hard and soft once per turn for some reason

[@VVheeli]

It’s not Yugioh, but there is one specific card I know that has arguably worse card text than anything here, and it came from Magic before an errata. Chaos Lord. Chaos Lord’s first effect: “This card can attack the first turn it comes into play on a side except the turn it first comes into play.” Second effect is basically “At the beginning of the Standby Phase, if the number of cards on the field is an even number, give control of Chaos Lord to an opponent.”

[@SkullOfDreams]

If you read the second effect, and the first again, two times, you can understand what is the card supposed to do. But why is worded like that?

[@Brawler_1337]

⁠@@SkullOfDreamsWell, one of the reasons was that Chaos Lord was printed in Magic’s ninth or tenth set, so there were a lot of weird cards back then that were also worded weirdly. The card’s Oracle text has since flipped the effects so that they come in a sensible order. As for why the “attack this turn” effect is weird… well, creatures were really bad in Magic’s early years. Chaos Lord was a 7 mana 7/7, and basically a creature with those stats back then had to have some crippling downside. My guess is that if they just printed it with haste (or I guess “~ is unaffected by summoning sickness” back then), then you’d be able to cast it and swing with it before it gave itself away, and that would probably have been too good in their eyes.

[@nevertakeaway]

I legit played Vicious Claw + Remove Brainwashing when I was a kid. Every duel resulted in an argument

[@bl00by_]

A card which took me awhile to understand is small world. It's so simple and yet so hard.

[@Scoobysolon6]

MBT please continue these they are enjoying to watch when doing house work

[@theblackx9429]

Vicious claw is even funnier with remove brainwashing.

[@theblackx9429]

Sus

[@juhyunjaykim740]

I don't know if this is what Konami wanted to say about A Legendary Ocean, but this is how I've always understood it from childhood. A Legendary Ocean is always treated as "Umi", which makes it the same card with "Umi", "Pacifis, the Phantasm City" and "Lemuria, the Forgotten City". However, "A Legendary Ocean" is also treated as "A Legendary Ocean", so it practically has two card names, "A Legendary Ocean" and "Umi". This is why you can only put up to three copies of all the Umi doppelgangers combined in a deck (as they are all treated as "Umi"), but "Warrior of Atlantis", a card that specifically targets "A Legendary Ocean", can search "A Legendary Ocean", as "A Legendary Ocean" is still treated as "A Legendary Ocean". I think "Warrior of Atlantis" is by far the only card that falls to this issue (i,e, an effect that targets a card with practically two names), so I don't know if Konami will rule similar effects in the future in the same way. rip words lmao

[@dave9020]

I always learn something new with these Twitter threads. Thank you, Joseph!

[@esrohm6460]

shout out to marincesss aqua argenout who is the only card in the last years that only negates the effect of a spell/trap because konami hates marincess apparently or they would have done what they do with every other card and make it straight up negation. you would think that if you negate a continuous spell/trap that means the card goes to grave but it does not. you can negate the effect of mystic mine but that doesn't mean you negated mystic mine OR it's effect as it doesn't have one specific to activation.

[@Viaraze]

Regulus does this too

[@hellblazerhawk6166]

The Legendary Ocean Card has the same dumb effect as all the Harpie Ladies. Harpie Lady, Cyber Harpie Lady, Harpie Lady 1, Harpie Lady 2 and Harpie Lady 3 are all considered the same card

[@carpenter1699]

Next up: coolest floodgates. It's a niche category to be sure, but there are some that aren't abhorrently abusable like Quiet Life.

[@SkullOfDreams]

Now I'm afraid of someone use that card against me.

[@mercylessplayer]

How was limear equation cannon and small world not included, those were in that thread hundreds of times. Still, good job joseph for the explanation and dire for the editing

[@nichidoushiro]

for a card that makes u do maths I expected linear equation cannon to at least have some strong effect but it still turned out to be hot garbage

[@commander950]

Yeah cause I read small world like three times and still wasn't entirely sure how it worked.

[@vgmaster02]

@@commander950 I believe, to sum up Small World, it basically makes you choose three targets (one on field, two in deck, or something like that, I don't remember where the non-deck target has to be off the top of my head), and the third target chosen is the one added from deck to hand while the second target chosen is banished. It's basically an overly complicated search spell for the tl;dr version XD

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@vgmaster02 Basically, reveal monster 1 in hand, reveal monster 2 in deck that only has 1 thing in common with monster 1, banish both, and add monster 3, that only has 1 thing in common with monster 2

[@ComfyBasilisk]

... seeing pacifis next to alo has caused me to realize, however many years late, that it's an atlantis pun but with pacific instead of atlantic?? i first heard of it in an mbt video, and he doesn't pronounce it with the cadence of pacific, so it flew past me. i know he mispronounces every card but even so it never occurred to me he might be mispronouncing this one specifically orz

[@grw18]

MBT: This was fun. Ya know, children's card game... Me: ON MOTORCYCLES!

[@GeminiTasiri]

Wait, so if Musical Sumo Dice Games actually gets their win condition effect but they're sitting on your opponent's side of the field when they end their movement effect, does that just mean you handed your opponent the game? That seems even worse than on first read!

[@kag2576]

This makes me feel better about how long it takes me to determine what cards do since most of them tend to have so many lines of text

[@MadRedAlchemist]

I want to see a deck that incorporates some of these card for the express purpose of creating just absolutely esoteric game states

[@lamiaprincess6371]

Generaider Boss Stage's ruling broke me so bad I almost became a Magic player. Absolutely unhinged ruling, it almost looks like a joke when you see it. Graydle Combat does it to! Despise these cards!

[@julesgindraux2985]

I’m not much of a Twitter user, but I might have another one. Guardian Tryce. It cannot be summoned unless you control a twin swords of flashing light, but the thing is Tryce is a Tribute monster. So are you allowed to summon it by tributing the monster equipped with Twin Swords, or does the Twin Swords still have to be on the field on resolution of the summon? I even tried to look up ruling’s pages for this monster, and Came out empty-handed.

[@EJsGameplay]

Try it in Master Duel.

[@n0ame1u1]

I think you only take into account the state of the field at the time you start to summon, not after you tribute. This is why for example you can't tribute a card with a different attribute under Gozen Match

[@shawnli4746]

You're allowed to Tribute Set Tryce if you don't have its equip, and when it's destroyed while face-down you get to activate its effect. Better use of Tryce imo

[@corebren2510]

The game only requires you to control the Equip Spell at the time the Summon is initiated. There is a ruling on this kind of scenario with Guardian Grarl and Gravity Axe - Grarl

[@LilyApus]

the very last bit of audio, nice editing choice lmao.

[@kidumby7599]

I mean, Shade Brigandine was at least logical - you chain it to a Cosmic Cyclone targeting it, it becomes a monster and isn't treated as a Trap (as the card helpfully says), Cosmic no longer has a target.

[@SkullOfDreams]

As a Traptrix player you have to know why Shade Brigandine is the best card in the deck.

[@charlesdarwin6300]

I'm a regular Chain Beat player. Our entire strategy since the inception of the deck revolves around playing with cards nobody else understands how they work. See Rabbit, Black Garden, Moon Mirror Shield. Also in the past Widespread Dud, Compulsory Escape Device, Zero Force, Powersink Stone etc.

[@SuperCJK333]

Ten Minute Testing Musical Sumo Dice Game when ?

[@magneto1992]

I was like, these aren’t that hard. I forgot that I am a NASA scientist

[@NyaaPaw44]

Wo wo wo wo wo Its pro gamer time. What if i Book of moon the Twin headed behemoth? We may know it has already used its effect, but The game forgets because of Book of moon right? GENIUS.

[@DBZluvz]

i love Yu-gi-oh and i've collected the cards for close to 20 yrs but when your cards mirror scientific mathematics then i'm out. the game is suppose to be fun but when it feels like a homework math problem is stops being fun and becomes work.

[@Ray_SB]

Small World is the absolute poster card for this

[@vigilantegaming3644]

The fact that summon limit says negated summons count toward limit of latest printing of card but doesn’t work like that triggers me

[@MetaKaios]

How does it not work like that?

[@kichiroumitsurugi4363]

@@MetaKaios Because negating a summon by all accounts means that no summon even took place

[@eu4um]

One of the funniest side effects of the Twin Headed Behemoth confusion was what people at my locals back in the day did to get around it. Each person running the card would have one normal, and others in their deck that had the art background colored in with a marker. So you would have your Green, Blue, and Red behemoths and just keep track of which one had used the effect.

[@duel1]

Hey i just activated last turn let me open the 10 page tutorial for resolving its effect real quick

[@258thHiGuy]

Magical sumo dice games has you playing a fucking board game in yugioh

[@HighPriestFuneral]

It's a really neat idea. I hope that there's more cards added to such an archetype.

[@Griever49]

funny, they could have solved Twin-headed behemoth by making it so it is banished when it leaves the field after using it's effect. That way you really can only use once per duel on every copy. Unless you started getting cards back from banished but I am not sure if that even existed back then

[@delta3244]

For the sake of futureproofing: if it would stop being on the field, it banishes itself face-up instead. If it was banished this way, it cannot be moved from the banished zone or flipped face-down. The last two effects cannot be affected by other cards in any way.

[@frankwest5388]

Here is a classic. Silent Wobler. It’s a Shark that says, give it to the opponent, draw 2, your opponent gets 2k. You‘d think you get to draw because you gave the opponent your monster and boost his life. Nope. The opponent draws and you gain 2k. For letting the opponent go +3 Or maybe it doesn’t. I don’t know, the card is more complicated than pendulum Endymion

[@KamenNepper]

oh no, mbt got doxxed. now he'll have to move again

[@Nexsus2164]

We here, we live, and we can’t comprehend what the hell these cards do.

[@OtakuUnitedStudio]

Those early cards that say "This card's name is treated as [...]" are why they usually have another qualifier now - the deck building ruling is a pretty unpopular one, since it's the only "effect" that's "active" while in the Deck. The unintended downside of preventing other cards from being used in tandem made some potentially useful cards practically unplayable.

[@m0002856]

Honestly surprised nobody linked the original version of Waboku. “Any damage inflicted by an opponent's monster is decreased to 0 during the turn this card is activated.” This text was somehow also supposed to mean, “your monsters cannot be destroyed by battle” as if somehow your monsters took battle damage. It’s almost like they meant your opponent’s monsters have zero attack while attacking but only after which they attack and somehow they don’t get destroyed even though they have zero attack but your monster also doesn’t get destroyed and your opponent doesn’t take any battle damage and… You know what, we’ll just rewrite it.

[@Dw7freak]

Here's a few more problems. Red-Eyes Black Metal Dragon, Metal Zoa, and Dark Sage. If you fulfill their summon from deck restrictions, you can just pick up your deck, look through it for them, then summon them, all without starting a chain. I believe that some of the elemental Charmer cards also allow you to do this.

[@frogace55]

Yup, the Lv 4 charmers have an effect to tribute their lv3 forms plus a monster of their atrribute to summon from deck and gain piercing

[@JohnaldV]

Crazy to find out that MBT lives in the Blizzard Entertainment building.

[@Rahnonymous]

It's brand new, but Psychic End Punisher. It's unnaffected by activated effects if your LP is lower than the opponent's, yet that doesn't count effects like Mirrorjade's last effect because it doesn't resolve in the same chain link after it's activation.

[@randomprotag9329]

yugioh is starting to suffer from psct not keeping up with konamis ideas. where a key word that seperates activated delayed resolution and activated in the chain resolution effects it would be no issue cause card text can be more specfic than activated

[@CLGLazarus]

Pole Position was my nickname in high school.

[@AlistairZands]

Speaking of rough Paleo rulings, my brother played Paleozoics at a regional. My brother flipped over a Continuous Trap and chained a Paleo in GY to summon. His opponent says that's illegal because Paleos say "when a Trap card is activated" and not a Continuous Trap card. Judge is called. Judge agrees with opponent. My brother appeals the ruling. Head judge also agrees with opponent. For the rest of the tournament, this is now the official ruling. This means that in at least one regional, it was ruled that Continuous Trap cards were not considered Trap cards. Paleos broke a whole regional. For the context, this was a couple years after Paleos had been out so there really wasn't an excuse. Also, for anyone who doesn't know, Paleos can chain their summon effect to the activation of both normal Traps and Continuous Traps. The only traps they can't chain to are Counter Traps (due to spell speed).

[@thegreatmajora13]

I'm very surprised no one mentioned the most obvious one that's currently seeing meta relavance, Small World.

[@mattr791]

Shout out to that era where if you book of moon a trap monster it would go back to the fking s/t zone for some reason

[@netherhigal]

What happens if you attack a facedown trap monster?

[@djkates1916]

That's still the case, but only if the Trap specifically says that it is still treated as a Trap when it becomes a monster. So, for example, Embodiment of Apophis will go back to the S/T Zone if hit by Book of Moon, but Shade Brigandine will not.

[@HighPriestFuneral]

@@djkates1916 What if the Spell/Trap zone is now full and Book of Moon was used on a Trap Monster?

[@djkates1916]

@@HighPriestFuneral In that case, the booked Trap monster will be sent to the Graveyard by game mechanics.

[@MrViper5822]

Back in 2014 (I think) I went to a regionals using a level 2 beast deck that was built to manipulate hand size to keep the effect of The Fabled Unicorn active while my opponent played their cards. The only game I didn't get a judge call on was a game against someone I knew from my locals. Trying to explain that it doesn't trigger a chain and the effect negation just applies to all cards on the field when the parameters are met at effect resolution was difficult.

[@Alucula]

How can they keep printing cards that don't work under the rules when they literally control what the rules are? Can't Konami just issue a ruling that "actually dark flattop does what it says it does actually" and be good?

[@randomprotag9329]

with ignoring summoning condtions it was pre problem solving card text so the expanation was not good. they abolutely can do the kaiju slumber it can just work regardless but it seems like its an expanation issue and not a rulings as untitended issue

[@yarielrobles9003]

Ok, so I have never seen crop circles before, but I think the failure condition is there in case you activate it legally, but your opponent activates a card that messes with the monsters, e.g. one of the monsters gets destroyed or lanced. This could cause the card to fail to find a target, thus dealing 2k to the user.

[@SkullOfDreams]

Or, even funnier, if your opponent removes from your deck the legal target.

[@d-prived2159]

So i found out recently that you cannot call of the haunted handcuff dragon if it activates its effects in the gy

[@MetaKaios]

Why would you want to?

[@d-prived2159]

Hey man.... rouge

[@ovelhadogelo]

The "Umi" section reminds me of when I tried to fill a deck with Harpies: I added 3 vanillas first, then Master Duel wouldn't let me add Harpie Lady 1/2/3 because they also have the "always treated as" treatment, so you have to choose which one you want.