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These Nails Act Like Screws!! (2 Nail Types That Perform Like Screws = MORE FASTENING POWER!)

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The Honest Carpenter

The Honest Carpenter

Күн бұрын

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@user-em6ie2be7x
@user-em6ie2be7x 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still a Bigger Fan of Screws, it's still way easier to undo your mistakes, but it's nice to know there's an Alternative with Screw Shank Nails...maybe I'll give'em a try. Thanks.👷🏿
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
I rely on screws a lot too, W! Spirals we’re my go-to for trim exterior repairs for a long time though 🙂
@nelus7276
@nelus7276 2 жыл бұрын
I own a prefab timber framing company. My guys use screws to quickly fasten the boards to the frame. Normally 2 or 3 per stud, depending on board size and thickness. Only when everything is neat and square and all openings have been sawed do they shoot nails. This way it's easy to correct any mistakes. We use coiled nails, all ringed, usually one every four inches. Engineers might prescribe more, thicker or longer nails. Nobody has ever asked us to use spiral nails. This is in Europe btw.
@ronblack7870
@ronblack7870 4 ай бұрын
in ontario canada spiral nails are the standard nail to use in construction.we call them ardox nails . no one uses straight shank nails for framing except guys doing concrete forms who need to pull the nails later and also shingle nails are smooth . when i moved to the us i was surprised that the only spiral nails are galvanized and not many use them.
@elanamarshallsea4781
@elanamarshallsea4781 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I didn't want to buy extra tools for an upcoming subfloor project but needed screw strength with a hammer. You nailed it! Perfect timing.
@damnhandy
@damnhandy 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, a screwgun isn't really an "extra" tool. It is probably the 2nd most useful power-tool after the circular saw.
@elanamarshallsea4781
@elanamarshallsea4781 2 жыл бұрын
@@damnhandy oh, I know! One day I'll give in and purchase one when too many projects require it (and my hands scream do it!).
@user-gq2vn1xj2r
@user-gq2vn1xj2r 2 жыл бұрын
@@elanamarshallsea4781 Do it. Your life will never be the same (in a good way) Then you will discover a 1/2 inch impact gun which uses the same batteries. You will start driving lag screws with it, and your life will be complete.
@Swift1156
@Swift1156 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Ethan, I never really comment on videos but recently I've been watching a lot of your videos whenever I get some time, as around Christmas I was suddenly inspired to start wood working after never trying it even at 25, working in a research lab never using power tools other than a drill before, my confidence and skill has improved drastically with the help of your videos and I am creating things I’d not thought was possible for me to do. I'm so grateful for the time, care and effort you put into each one of your videos, you've also taught me the Imperial measuring system as a biproduct so thank you for that as well hahaha much love and appreciation from Australia
@JackKirbyFan
@JackKirbyFan 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating. I'm not a construction person so I learned something. Thank you so much for clarifying because you're right. I've dealt with these nails on small demo DIY projects and wondered why. Now I know! I would just replace with screws but I can see the advantage of these things since they really are quick to get the job done.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Exactly, Dave! Out of a gun drive they’re just a fast as smooth-I sometimes just have to crank my pressure a little bit
@oneeyedphotographer
@oneeyedphotographer 2 жыл бұрын
I remember bullet-head nails being used to nail weatherboard planks. The planks had a rectangular cross section, no special cutting. They were angled down, so negligible risk of their pulling out. Roofing nails were hot-dipped galvanised with s separate disk a part of the head to spread the load. We used flat-head nails similar to those you showed for asbestos sheeting. These had flat tips to not break the asbestos. This was 70 years ago.
@stevehammerich7121
@stevehammerich7121 Жыл бұрын
I’m from the town where maze nails are made, they definitely are the best on market , for double dipped galivined nails. Proudly made in USA look for yellow box. And for spiral nails. The old ones from wholhan lumber. Those sobs can’t be removed .
@sivacrom
@sivacrom 2 жыл бұрын
I tried to get a pallet of INCREDIBLE wood apart. But whoever nailed it together was using nails like these and they just don’t come apart without eating a can of spinach first.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
😆
@dhawthorne1634
@dhawthorne1634 2 жыл бұрын
I use a lot of reclaimed pallet wood and have found that spiral shank nails are pretty common in pallet construction.
@joshuasmith1215
@joshuasmith1215 11 ай бұрын
All the pallets we use where I work are spiral shank.
@cyberwolf6667
@cyberwolf6667 2 жыл бұрын
Twist nails are the best in construction for anything you want to stay together and I would use them over straight shank nails, contractor’s want cheap and fast. I agree that screws are better for deck boards since you will need to replace them eventually.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Good call, cyberwolf!
@damnhandy
@damnhandy 2 жыл бұрын
I disagree with you assessment. Using twist nails entirely to build anything but pallets would be like welding practically every steel part in your car instead of using bolts and tack welds, since you can't remove the nails without seriously damaging or destroying the wood you are trying to replace, and houses go through many renovations, additions, or repairs over many, many years. If you used only twist nails to build a house, the damage you'd have to do to demo anything in that place would make renovating extremely expensive. Sure the builder wouldn't care, but the guys who had to renovate the place ten or twenty years down the road would curse your name. If you must use nails with better grab, use galvanized common nails. Their galvanized round shanks grip into wood very well, but still can be pulled out fifty years from now without spitting the wood.
@cyberwolf6667
@cyberwolf6667 2 жыл бұрын
@@damnhandy I agree, I wasn’t getting into all the detail, I would not use it to build cabinets or even to hang them. Anything that might be remove due to standard upgrades is better screwed in but the wall studs, subfloors and anything that is built to withstand the rest of time yes. Now pallets, no way- unless your building a cabinet to protect an expensive piece of equipment, and that’s because the cost of lumber is getting so high you might want to take it apart and build a desk or cabinet from it. Quarter sawn oak 4x4 on a pallet, I want those!!
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461
@budgetaudiophilelife-long5461 2 жыл бұрын
🤗 THANKS ETHAN…GREAT ADVICE 🧐 FOR NEW ONES AND I ALWAYS KEPT SOME OF BOTH ON HAND FOR Special needs and also I use screws wherever possible for the reasons you stated 👍HOPE ALL IS WELL AND I ENJOY 😊 HEARING YOUR VIDEOS 😍😍😍
@number1pappy
@number1pappy 2 жыл бұрын
We took a wood deck apart on our fixer upper thinking we could reuse the 2x6s to save money. We needed to rebuild it because the prior owners had built it wrong. We soon found out it was built with spiral shank nails! It was almost impossible to save most of the 2x6s because we had to pretty much destroy them taking them apart! We rebuilt the deck using regular nails ,engineered screws and deck screws. I can attest to the holding power of spiral nails!
@valborchardt3596
@valborchardt3596 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ethan. As always a great video….much appreciated. From South Africa
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Val! 🇿🇦 😄
@chrisnash2154
@chrisnash2154 2 жыл бұрын
I completely agree. I have ring shank nails for my Paslode, but I prefer to use smooth shank and only use ring for the most demanding conditions.
@C1nderfire
@C1nderfire 2 жыл бұрын
Ok this was very o retesting. Saving this video for sure. Ty!
@damnhandy
@damnhandy 2 жыл бұрын
Thirty or forty years ago (or more when I'm not trying to hide my age) we only knew them as Pallet Nails. We never used them but did have to pull them out from time to time. Have you done a vid on Cut Nails yet? We used lots of those square-cut tappered hardened steel nails with the slightest of heads for tung&groove flooring and nailing into mortar joints.
@ernieforrest7218
@ernieforrest7218 4 ай бұрын
Back in the late 50s and until about the late 70s there were nails called Scotch nails used for framing. They werent perfectly round like most common nails are but a bit flat on several sides. They were also cerated on the sides which gave them a better grip than regular nails. We used them exclusively in our home building business untill they were no longer available.
@blasterbrain1443
@blasterbrain1443 Жыл бұрын
Glad to have just stumbled upon this channel while randomly pondering to myself if the opinions I’ve developed over the years regarding varieties of screws and nails were also held by professionals. SUBSCROOOOBED.
@patricksullivan2621
@patricksullivan2621 2 жыл бұрын
I like to use spiral nails on fence pickets. They hold much better
@richvail7551
@richvail7551 2 жыл бұрын
I’m building my camp soon as the lumber drops enough and now that I just learned about the ringed nail, I’ll certainly be using those for my floors.
@sparksmcgee6641
@sparksmcgee6641 2 жыл бұрын
Floors you need to depend on glue more than nails but taking it up a notch is always good.
@joshuasmith1215
@joshuasmith1215 11 ай бұрын
Those spiral shank nails are no joke. If you think you're going to disassemble pallets nailed with those...well...have fun lol
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 11 ай бұрын
Yuuuup. You’ll often split wood long before nails pull out
@johnburk360
@johnburk360 11 ай бұрын
my go to for me is spiral shank nail for these reason's i use a hammer - it is cheaper than screw's ($35 for 10lb) - they hold - easy to toe nail. the reason why i do not use smooth is they like to back out and the reason why i do not use ring shank is they curl away from the wood when using a harder wood especially when toe nailing.
@MICHELDILLIONS
@MICHELDILLIONS 2 жыл бұрын
Bro , i Really think you Nailed it 😊🤗 Blessings , Be Happy 💖
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Michel! 😆
@woodworksbygrampies1284
@woodworksbygrampies1284 2 жыл бұрын
Hola! 🖐 Once again, you hit the nail right on the head, haha! 😆🤣😂 I always learn something new by watching your videos. Thanks for sharing all of your knowledge. I worked in demo for a while and by far the worst job ever was removing a subfloor in a kitchen, they really threw every kind of nail AND screw in the arsenal. I destroyed a set of knee pads on that job. Someone that has never encountered these fasteners cannot appreciate how much holding power they achieve until it's time to "break" them apart. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Good call, Grampies! Someone said project farm tested them and thought they didn’t have significant holding power…but that just wasn’t my experience from the field 😆
@robertfleming5829
@robertfleming5829 2 жыл бұрын
Your videos are Always Awesome !
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Robert! 😄
@richardstrada212
@richardstrada212 2 жыл бұрын
I knew about and have used the ring nails but the twist ones are new to me. This is good information to put in my memory banks for future use. Thank you again for making these videos.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Richard!
@rubenesparza7546
@rubenesparza7546 2 жыл бұрын
Tried taking apart some pallets one time and the damn spiral nails threw me for a loop. Couldn’t figure why I kept destroying the wood or they would snap the heads off. Finally saw the spiral and it all made snese
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, pallets are frequently spiral fastened Ruben. Helps with all the torquing they go through!
@anneoreilly4900
@anneoreilly4900 2 жыл бұрын
Great video. I appreciate you mentioning the deck application.
@paulinedavis8734
@paulinedavis8734 2 жыл бұрын
Short, simple, to the point 👍
@susanhenley8240
@susanhenley8240 2 жыл бұрын
Good info for getting a project done right!
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Susan! 🙂
@WerezerRoo
@WerezerRoo Жыл бұрын
Ahhh nails all the way 🎉
@catblue6393
@catblue6393 2 жыл бұрын
Good video. Good to know.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Cat! 🙂
@rolfbjorn9937
@rolfbjorn9937 2 жыл бұрын
I got raised around my grandfather and father both following the : If I commit to build that damn thing, it's not coming apart, ever and do it once and never having to rebuild it. So screws and glue it was, and spiral nails and glue, and bolt and weld or rivet and bolt and weld, you get the picture. Later in life, I was shocked to discover that most people hated those spiral nails, and would go as far as using only smooth nails. Grandpa was also a fan of nailing deck screws: Convenience of nails to assemble, and removable like a screw after.
@OzSteve9801
@OzSteve9801 2 жыл бұрын
In Australia the majority of houses are built with corrugated iron roofing. Typically this is fastened with spiral nails with a special metal washer around the head. Over the last 10 years or so I've seen these replaced with tek screws. These are OK but if they have a rubber washer under the head the rubber perishes in the Australian climate and the roofing comes loose and rattles in the wind. Shingles are extremely rare here and I can't remember the last time I saw some.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting! Thanks for the info-I love hearing about building in other countries 🙂 🇦🇺
@dengshomeinvasions1273
@dengshomeinvasions1273 2 жыл бұрын
I thought we use colourbond and tiles mainly
@OzSteve9801
@OzSteve9801 2 жыл бұрын
@@dengshomeinvasions1273 I agree. Colourbond is basically powder coated corrugated iron and certain councils (local government) insist you use tiles
@dengshomeinvasions1273
@dengshomeinvasions1273 2 жыл бұрын
@@OzSteve9801 ah ok thanks for the clarification
@brandonwoodworkersclub4097
@brandonwoodworkersclub4097 2 жыл бұрын
Those nails do hold great. More for contruction though than general woodworking. Good video!
@marcoffkx7389
@marcoffkx7389 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Brazil the Twisted nails ones are called Prego (Portuguese word for nail) ardox Prego ardox Great video as always!
@marcoffkx7389
@marcoffkx7389 2 жыл бұрын
And the other one is called Prego anelado Ringed nail? I don't know hahah
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Somebody else mentioned ardox, Marco. Now I know why! 😁
@mercoid
@mercoid 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve been cleaning out my old garage this weekend. The inside walls are just exposed studs into which the previous owners drove in dozens of various nails over the past 100 years for hanging things. I’ve been pulling them out. One wouldn’t pull…. It was insane trying to extract it!! Sure enough, it was a spiral shank…. Hardened too..
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
That’s a good nail pull test, mercoid 😅
@huejanus5505
@huejanus5505 2 жыл бұрын
Around here, those spiral nails are called ardox nails. They don’t make ring-shank nails for my old coil nailer but they do make spiral. The debate on which holds better is kind of a moot point as both hold so much better than smooth shank.
@ronblack7870
@ronblack7870 4 ай бұрын
are you in canada.? yes we use ardox nails as standard for framing. smooth shank don't hold together well.
@FredD63
@FredD63 2 жыл бұрын
Years ago spiral shank nails were called Ardox nails
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Didn’t know that, Fred 😁
@FredD63
@FredD63 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonestCarpenter The early 80’s I believe … so before your time HaHaa
@jossefjossikajit4169
@jossefjossikajit4169 Жыл бұрын
THANKS Learned again something new Love your show GREETINGS FROM MAASTRICHT NL
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter Жыл бұрын
Hey, happy to hear from Netherlands! 😄 🇳🇱
@rodbear1364
@rodbear1364 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for explaining the difference to me. I had never known that and its very useful!!
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Sure thing, Rodbear! 😁
@chefspenser1480
@chefspenser1480 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Sir!
@kaaaah2003
@kaaaah2003 2 жыл бұрын
Never knew...thanks for insight.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Sure thing, KA!
@David.M.
@David.M. 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I learned something today.
@bradleytuckwell4881
@bradleytuckwell4881 2 жыл бұрын
It’s been along time since I hammered a nail on a project it’s ether a screw or a nail gun.
@joycedimaggio3816
@joycedimaggio3816 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@jimadams6159
@jimadams6159 2 жыл бұрын
Informative as always Ethan, really appreciate your videos as I learn so many useful tips.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, Jim! 😄
@xsamura5121
@xsamura5121 2 жыл бұрын
Man your channel is amazing. Hope you never run out of ideas or enthusiasm. There's a bunch of teen adults who grew up without a male figure in their house and guess what? You are that missing father with knowledge. 👍
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Samura! I think I’ve got plenty of vids still to come. I appreciate you watching 🙂
@BobMuir100
@BobMuir100 2 жыл бұрын
Fascinating!
@jeffreywolf5235
@jeffreywolf5235 2 жыл бұрын
I use ring shank on all siding
@ernestkooistra1559
@ernestkooistra1559 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@luckyjim51
@luckyjim51 2 жыл бұрын
You should do a show on coated nails....
@lorimiller623
@lorimiller623 2 жыл бұрын
I have a couple of pickets that are constantly falling off. I may get some spiral nails for them next time.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’ll help, Lori!
@tonym6920
@tonym6920 2 жыл бұрын
Very interesting, I wasn’t aware that they existed. Thanks for the video👍👍
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Tony!
@tonym6920
@tonym6920 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonestCarpenter do you have, or planning to have, a vid on how to straighten a fascia board on a deck that has warped and has pulled away from the deck in spots. I was going to attempt to do this myself but I’m not sure if the wood will crack in the process causing me to replace the entire 10 foot board.
@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284
@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284 2 жыл бұрын
Back in 2016 we were doing a minor remodel in our house. New kitchen cabinets and the removal of one small wall to open the room up. We decided to demo the wall ourselves to save some money. No big deal, right? Oh, boy. This is when we discovered that the house was framed with a combination of construction adhesive and ring shank nails. Toward the beginning of the demo process there was one particularly bad connection that I couldn't budge. My teenage son tried and he was defeated. The mess stayed as it was for two weeks as we waited for my husband to get home from a business trip and, in that time, I put a $20 reward up for anyone who could get it out, along with a promise they'd be crowned the King of England. About a dozen burly teenage boys and young men went at it and none succeeded. It was impossible. When my hubs got home, he took one look at the issue, collected his multitool, and cut off all the nail heads in short order. I have no idea who did this or why, but that house was built to last. At the time, we thought it might just be that wall, but later repairs proved that it really was the entire structure. For anyone who believes that this might have been better for the overall strength of the house, think again. Wood rots. Water leaks happen and sometimes subfloors have to be pulled and replaced. Overbuilding makes such repairs SO much more work. Now I'm having flashbacks to the pipe leak IN the wall that rotted a significant section of subfloor and some joists in two rooms before we discovered the problem. Removal of the rotten plywood meant beating most of it into submission, using a jig saw to cut holes where it couldn't easily be hammered through, and cutting the entire glued seam between the plywood and the joists to save the joists that we could. Just figuring out how to attack the problem took precious time. A demo that should've taken a few hours took days. Don't do that.
@user-gq2vn1xj2r
@user-gq2vn1xj2r 2 жыл бұрын
I used stainless ring shanks on cedar board and batten and if I made a mistake, I destroyed the board trying to remove it. Could not believe how hard they were to pull.
@dirtbike662
@dirtbike662 Жыл бұрын
Ever try to pull a 20d or 60d ring shank? Your post frame builders use a lot of those
@jljohnson9438
@jljohnson9438 2 жыл бұрын
I thought one of the types you would mention are the coated nails that have a "glue" that coats them. I like those smooth shank nails when I don't want something coming apart.
@samyounes7197
@samyounes7197 Жыл бұрын
How about load bearing structures? Was making some overhead tote storage racks.
@davidd8435
@davidd8435 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the content always great information.
@TrogdorBurnin8or
@TrogdorBurnin8or 2 жыл бұрын
But do they actually though? Project Farm's channel did some testing a while back, and galvanized smooth shank were just as good as ring shank on pullout, while galvanized spiral shank was actually the worst of all types, slightly worse than uncoated smooth shank. Theory may need some refinement to meet up with practice. See video entitled "Do Nails or Screws Have the Most Holding Strength (not shear strength)? Let's find out!"
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
I haven’t seen their video, Trogdor, just sort of going on my own experience. I’ve demo’d a lot of structures though, and can attest to ring and spirals being monstrous to remove in many of those projects. It probably has to do with many factors, including substrate type, driving method, etc…I’ll have to check out their video.
@garybaris139
@garybaris139 2 жыл бұрын
Anyone that has ever used reclaimed wood like pallet wood will tell you that most often it is easier to cut the wood off than try and extract the ring shank nails and when you do extract them they are inclined to take some wood out with them as they are extracted.
@TrogdorBurnin8or
@TrogdorBurnin8or 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps moisture is the missing factor and impacts different geometries differently? His testing is in wood at the same moisture level when driving as when extracting. Pallet wood etc might be driven green, or at least dried somewhat from construction to you trying to remove it. I know that at work I deal with damp pallets which require much less pullout force than any of the fasteners tested in the other vid.
@nathaniels9141
@nathaniels9141 2 жыл бұрын
My experience as a framer. Ring shanks and Galvanized nails are both much better at holding than a normal nail. Normal Ring shank are cheaper and have more holding force than smooth galvanized nail but are more likely to bend IMO. Galvanized are expensive but can go into any material, hold well, and harder to bend. Ring shank Galvanized nails are makes the nail even harder to pull out but makes it slightly easier to bend. Use Galvanized for pressure treated lumber and use ring shank for flooring. Galvanized Ring shanks for the frame of decks. Screws for the actual deck boards. Never used spiral shank nails.
@benwinter2420
@benwinter2420 2 жыл бұрын
& any wood eventual reused from a spiral or ring shank nail construction has a chance to have remains of these nails still embedded which would make future cutting interesting
@Charliendt
@Charliendt 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Ethan, thanks for sharing, your channel it's a great source of information, very practical and educational. I found some wood blocks that I wanted to reuse that had some nails though and when I tried to pull them off, using the technic that you showed in another video I just broke the head of the nails. When I took a closer look to the nails it looked like they had a thin copper wire twisted around the nails, it made imposible to remove. I don't know how they put this nails with the wires but it surely improved the resistance to pull them off.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching Charlie! Those are the collating wires from a nail gun-some nails come strung together with wire. If the heads break like that though, you can try a nipper or nail puller as well! 🙂
@Charliendt
@Charliendt 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonestCarpenter Thank you for you response Ethan! I have learned one more thing today!
@newguy2794
@newguy2794 2 жыл бұрын
Good afternoon, I always prefer screws to nails. Twist nails and ring shanks are good when you can't used screws. CC (cement coated..glue) nails are also good when needed.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Good call, New Guy! I want to get into the various coats and dips before too long. That’s an ever-evolving world.
@user-gq2vn1xj2r
@user-gq2vn1xj2r 2 жыл бұрын
Just remember that screws don't give the shear strength that nails do, so there is a time and place for both.
@NomenNescio99
@NomenNescio99 2 жыл бұрын
As a hobby woodworker I still don't understand why wood glue isn't used more in carpentry given how strong joints it creates. I have almost zero experience in construction and carpentry, as revealed by my question.
@Christopher_Gibbons
@Christopher_Gibbons 2 жыл бұрын
The strength of a glue joint is highly dependent on the quality of the joinery. That is why it needs such good clamping. Even the most precise carpentry is unacceptably rough by fine woodworking standards. Jointing and plaining everything to perfection just isn't economical at scale. Construction adhesive is much more forgiving, and nails can be used to pull things into place to keep everything "square".
@damnhandy
@damnhandy 2 жыл бұрын
One reason wood glue isn't used in construction (much) is because wood expands and contracts depending on moisture content. In ancient times, (before the 50s), baseboards and door & window trim wasn't painted on the wall side of the trim to allow the wood to "breathe", meaning swell and shrink according to background moisture, and if you've ever seen an old wooden tongue & groove floor, the gap between each of the boards is from generations of washing the floors with soap and water swelling the wood enough to crush the wood fibers until the floor dried long enough to shrink the floor boards again. The whole house expands and contracts constantly.
@benwinter2420
@benwinter2420 2 жыл бұрын
Yep , older wooden houses are in constant flux with changing humidity with doors getting tight then loosening up when the air dries
@damnhandy
@damnhandy 2 жыл бұрын
@@benwinter2420 I once had a dead mouse that did the same thing. It had died 3/4th up the slope of the drip-pan under the refrigerator, so after a few days of humid weather the water in the drip-pan rose enough to wet the mouse corpse, causing it to emit a foul smell for several days until it dried out again. I couldn't find that mouse carcass for months.
@billm.8220
@billm.8220 2 жыл бұрын
Great info. as always Ethan.
@mrmy2109
@mrmy2109 Ай бұрын
Great videos. Sheathing a floor in pressure treated plywood. Hammering it in by hand. Can't seem to find 8D Ring Shank galvanized, aside from nail gun nails. Any suggestion of what to use instead?
@monkeygraborange
@monkeygraborange 2 жыл бұрын
I just reinforced a squeaky staircase in a house I’m selling with a few judiciously placed ring shank nails. Squeak totally gone! Will that last? I don’t really know and I certainly don’t care!
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
There’s a good chance they’ll hold up for a while, monkey 😆
@squareswing
@squareswing 2 жыл бұрын
Because of the thumb "nail" of him holding his hands up, I thought at first he was talking about finger nails. Thinking, man! his finger nails are way stronger than mine!
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
This is a pedicure channel 💅
@tacocin
@tacocin 2 жыл бұрын
Very informative! Thanks!
@dreamcat4
@dreamcat4 2 жыл бұрын
going from the video title i imagined this was going to be about scrails! however they do not seem to be worth the extra cost perhaps for most typical applications? asking another carpenter type person he said he didnt like them / never needed them. and clearly the main benefit? might be to be easier to remove than ring or flute nails? but that is assuming you are expecting / anticipating to have to tear down the construction? then i would assume only movie sets or broadway plays, or temprary events like exhibitions etc? what do you thing about scrails? and also the relative cost of them vs (for example) ring nails, and / or proper real construction screws? it would be nice to hear another opinion
@antoniiocaluso1071
@antoniiocaluso1071 2 жыл бұрын
Hurricane-country makes galv deformed shank gun nails the ONLY nail for sheathing folks. When that wind blows hard, you'll be glad yours aten't those smooth shakes that will have, in time, "worked" proud from the ply'wd. As you can bet smooth shanks will. Ringshank galv. 8d's all-over. Code's describe it best :-)
@gustgred7998
@gustgred7998 2 ай бұрын
So, why can't spiral shank nails be manufactured with just a little larger heads, with screw style drives, such as combination slotted/phillips? Wouldn't that make them much easier to remove, and be a truer hybrid?
@cg2000cg1
@cg2000cg1 2 жыл бұрын
I like to use a hammer to drive nails and not a nail gun, I prefer spiral shanked nails for outdoor projects but they are so expensive. Very difficult to remove them if you can't bang them out from the other side. My biggest gripe about nails in general is how soft a lot of manufacturers make them these days, every fifth nail out of a box bends over. Spiral shanked nails tend to be a bit harder but you are really paying for the privilege. Ring shanked aren't bad for holding power but a lot of them are pretty soft too.
@jt3178
@jt3178 2 жыл бұрын
Ardox"spiral" nails are used a lot more in Canada in fact smooth nails are almost hard to find! Still don't understand how us lag behind without Robertson screws or ardox nails....
@marcoffkx7389
@marcoffkx7389 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Brazil both are common Ardox, anelado (ring) and smooth types
@AleksandrPanzinAlex
@AleksandrPanzinAlex 2 жыл бұрын
Project Farm did some testing and the results are ... interesting. You should watch and offer criticism, if you disagree. Because twisted shank nails aren't great at holding things according to his testing.
@AleksandrPanzinAlex
@AleksandrPanzinAlex 2 жыл бұрын
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@juliehenderson1672
@juliehenderson1672 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@kenty2831
@kenty2831 2 жыл бұрын
I am curious of your experience with "feather edge boards". I notice these boards as a finish on a recent market build out, and also on a star bucks location. You may have some thoughts on finishing or connectors. I appreciate similar to deck boards, with some interest. Enjoy your videos!
@vermontmike9800
@vermontmike9800 7 ай бұрын
Which type for roofing in high wind areas?
@robertlis2704
@robertlis2704 2 жыл бұрын
I don't believe that nails would ever be as strong as screws but I do believe at times nails are good
@user-gq2vn1xj2r
@user-gq2vn1xj2r 2 жыл бұрын
For shear forces, nails are far stronger than screws. Keep that in mind!
@robertlis2704
@robertlis2704 2 жыл бұрын
If you go by the shank of a nail and screw the screw wins
@user-gq2vn1xj2r
@user-gq2vn1xj2r 2 жыл бұрын
@@robertlis2704Nope. Not for shear. This is why code requires nails for framing.
@bobjoatmon1993
@bobjoatmon1993 2 жыл бұрын
Actually, instead of ring-shank or spiral-shank just plain old galvanized hold seem to lock in better and the price tends to be reasonable vs the specialty nails. I will say that years ago I had to demo a temporary structure that was put together with glue coated nails (don't ask me why, I didn't build it)... A lot of the time the wood splintered instead of the nail pulling out.
@user-gq2vn1xj2r
@user-gq2vn1xj2r 2 жыл бұрын
This is true. I use galvanized for framing for this exact reason. Only a bit more expensive.
@ossieljuarez1936
@ossieljuarez1936 2 жыл бұрын
Do these nails pull together the wood, like screws do?
@luissalazar8178
@luissalazar8178 Жыл бұрын
What type of nail fasteners can I use for metal studs? With my pneumatic gun
@daddypapi3842
@daddypapi3842 Жыл бұрын
Hi, what type of nails do you recommend for vinyl garage door trim? Thank you.
@TexasEngineer
@TexasEngineer 4 ай бұрын
I broke my hammer handle trying to remove a 8 penny galvanized ring shank nails. I upgraded to a steel shank hammer just in case I run into another ring shank. Normally the head pops off.
@SuperD37
@SuperD37 2 жыл бұрын
I'm curious how, in the video, the person driving the screws got such a smooth edge around the screw hole without a countersink. The GC that rebuilt a deck on a house I have in another state left tons of splintered wood sticking up where the screws went in, enough that two folks got cuts and splinters just running theor hand along the handrail as they walked down the stairs. I'm doing a lot of touch-up work on this house and any advice would greatly help. (I've already filled and sanded this deck to a suitable level of frustration.)
@cidercreekranch
@cidercreekranch 2 жыл бұрын
It looks like they were using a trim head deck screw. Do a search an Amazon for trim head deck screw and compare those screw to standard screws and you see that the head of a trim screw is much smaller and it has self-drilling threads that help cleanly bury the screw head.
@No_Budget_No_Problem
@No_Budget_No_Problem 11 ай бұрын
I like overkill (I know nothing and came here to learn lol)
@cliffgrexton3760
@cliffgrexton3760 2 жыл бұрын
Which fasteners has the best shere Stangth
@wowwhataworld.9590
@wowwhataworld.9590 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Ethan, informative as always. Say I was building a small cabin in a high wind zone and I wanted it to last as long as possible. Would using the screw shank nails make a difference in its longevity, if it were constantly being pushed and pulled by intense winds?
@angeldej4225
@angeldej4225 2 жыл бұрын
Would you recommend these for exterior PVC trip repairs..? ie. Facia, Soffit, corner trip..ect.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
The spirals, yes indeed angel. A lot of people are using screws and plugs for that too these days though.
@debrafoley1668
@debrafoley1668 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Ethan, my mom's front wood door is exposed to a lot of heat and has developed numerous cracks. What do you recommend for filling these cracks with prior to repainting? I just found your channel and enjoy it.
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
I’d prob go with bondo wood filler, Debra, lightly applied. It seems the least affected by UV. Thanks for watching! 🙂
@debrafoley1668
@debrafoley1668 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonestCarpenter Thank you so much!
@mikelundrigan2285
@mikelundrigan2285 2 жыл бұрын
I came across a (at the time) across a screw designed to have extra holding power in zones where high winds and hurricanes,tornados were fairly common. I wonder if they are still available and if you are familiar with them ?
@benwinter2420
@benwinter2420 2 жыл бұрын
These nails would be good for boat building as in any man that would go to sea for fun would go to hell for an holiday , Joseph Conrad
@Koumondji
@Koumondji Жыл бұрын
What similar spiral or ring nail do you recommend for gun nail use?
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter Жыл бұрын
I think there are ring shank nails for most framing guns. But average sinkers hold pretty well as it is.
@Kevan808
@Kevan808 2 жыл бұрын
Can you please move to Hawaii so I can hire you?
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Believe me, I wish I could move to Hawaii Kevan! 😂
@zijie-he
@zijie-he 2 жыл бұрын
I use wood glue + screws to make me trust the result 😂
@pavelantsipovitch8215
@pavelantsipovitch8215 2 жыл бұрын
Check out Project Farm channel, he has a video dedicated to holding power of screws and nails. You will find some surprises there.
@Pete.Ty1
@Pete.Ty1 2 жыл бұрын
👍👍👍
@sparksmcgee6641
@sparksmcgee6641 2 жыл бұрын
50th comment from a guy that just bought as passlode tetra
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
That thing looks nice 😁
@sparksmcgee6641
@sparksmcgee6641 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonestCarpenter yeah but the price of nails is a bummer. I got it for Hardie but I bet I end up using it more on my old 1800's rental properties. Knowing something won't move is nice.
@sparksmcgee6641
@sparksmcgee6641 2 жыл бұрын
@@TheHonestCarpenter Oh and thank you for the work you do here. You have a good voice and tone.
@stevenmoss6043
@stevenmoss6043 2 жыл бұрын
Very useful vid Ethan! A question pops in my mind, after hearing you mention the effect of these nails. Would drilling be recommended before hammering in these type of nails?
@TheHonestCarpenter
@TheHonestCarpenter 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Steven! Predrilling generally isn’t necessary for these nails-though it is always an option in highly sensitive areas 🙂
@stevenmoss6043
@stevenmoss6043 2 жыл бұрын
I see! Thanks Ethan
@mr.g937
@mr.g937 2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it was exactly clear from the video what the performance difference is between ring and spiral shank.
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