these new music producers are lame as f***

[@romie-777]

my favorite quote pertaining to this topic is this: "I thought that using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using premade skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it. I then thought that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat. I also think that is cheating, but I'm not sure where to go from here. I haven't made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all."

[@MrXamanX]

Guitarist don't make guitars yet with their effort and talent they play it and make something beautiful. And that is not same as downloading Guitar loop.So your comment is shit basically

[@facio.]

@@MrXamanX ur so lost its about the reverse engineering not the talent

[@KhairiHamed]

@@MrXamanX You missed the point of the quote. The point is that worrying about being "wholly original" with your music can lead to not making any music at all.

[@antigovernmentrhetoric]

you gotta make the drums using your own skin next

[@isosossa]

i actually have a goat farm smh.

[@cylonvoiceguy]

The drum track from Rihanna's "Umbrella" is from the stock Garage Band loop library, on every Mac on the planet.

[@mjrisinsd6836]

Yes, which is a good lesson. Her voice and the lyrics are the relevant part of the song that make it a hit. She was born a star.

[@cylonvoiceguy]

@@mjrisinsd6836 I feel like her #1 selling point is perfect skin, symmetrical face, her audacity- singing skills are not near the top but as we know, it hasn't been about that for a long time now! Any church or community college will have a better singer.

[@mjrisinsd6836]

@ yeah, but that is a big part of it as well. Performance is more than technical mastery. Virtuosos overlook so much, but you generally can’t get through to them. Pop music is not complicated.

[@cylonvoiceguy]

@@mjrisinsd6836 Yup you said it perfectly when you said don't look for fantastic high art on pop radio!

[@Lilly24244]

It's not about any of that in big name normie pop, as long as you have half decent songwriting and good production with a marketing team who can bring your otherwise mediocre music to a wider audience you'll succeed. That's the problem with a lot of music in the modern day, it stems directly from big music corporations' need to make more money through creating more well known artists. No real artistic merit or soul to it, just board room style decisions.

[@malex72]

Art has no rules. And if you make a rule we’ll break them.

[@XerodegreesOfficial]

love

[@fkknsikk]

Doesn't make you any less of a lazy hack. I guess being a lousy artist is still being an artist though, so go nuts.

[@1almostblue]

ur my kinda guy 🤟

[@sleepfieldro]

exactly! i really believe some ppl forget making music is art and has no rules

[@ChiefofThangz907]

😅😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤦

[@Gdad-20]

If sampling other peoples music wasn't a thing, there would be no house, or hip hop music. The Dance floor would be empty. Thank fuck for sampling and loops.

[@sleepfieldro]

oooo i love this, you're so right!

[@alexanderyozzo]

Wrong, funk bands and disco bands keep the dance floor hot. Where do you think the samples come from? And yes these bands still exist, I run one called Blue Smoke. #BlueSmokeBandATX

[@hotwaff]

I make music that nobody wants to dance to. I'd love it if someone turned it into that kind of jam 🫡

[@CxdyCxdy]

There's so much that goes on behind the scenes in the music industry that this topic really is always going to be a very niche thing that only diehard producers care about. At the end of the day its a music business & a very very very slim minority of listeners care how you got to the end product. I've seen newer producers without a deep bag of skills to pull from get lucky with drag & dropping splice samples & get songs. There's nothing wrong with it imo bc at the end of the day the producers who do have a deep bag and enjoy the process and the art of sampling or making melodies or helping put songs together will stick around for much longer than the producer who uses Splice as a major crutch for what they aren't good at. A lot of the game is about curation & good taste. Good news is typically the people with a FULL skillset as a producer (makes good melodies, knows how to chop anything in front of them, yammin drums, great arrangements, good songwriting, good curation) will outlast those who some of you may feel like "got lucky" & "isn't a real producer". What I've noticed is that every genuinely great and talented producer I've met & worked with does not give a fk if you use Splice or not because they are worried about bigger & more important things like making a record that people can have life experiences with. I know many producers who can create symphonies out of thin air from scratch, and they still use Splice from time to time bc it can provide good utility & they don't have egos. It's rare you see a producer in the industry stick around for a long time without providing any value or have 0 production skills so to me it's a self-regulating issue given a long enough time span. When you zoom out you realize that no matter how much elitist care about this topic, the listeners who you are making the music for just simply don't & I'll never expect them to.

[@nobodyxxxxxxxx]

The big names don't tell you what they use behind closed doors, ask me how I know. Most would prefer you use serum and the latest weak packs for everything as their stuff will stand out. Splice (loops) is great for starting out and to hack the process but eventually you have to be creative because the big guys are and DO NOT tell you what they're actually using. BUUUT, Splice is an infinite source of quality individually recorded single hit samples that can save a lot of time and effort that can be spent trying to record at the highest level .Look at what people go through to record their own sounds from keyboards, instruments etc..Insider knowledge spoiler here: samples are still king and always will be. The emulation vs samples debate is not real, it's for the "little guys". Dr. Dre's quote about sound sourcing is still as valid today as it ever was.

[@RyanMercurio-c5f]

hello

[@DJNuimani]

Exactly 🔥

[@anishkalyan3990]

w

[@BeritzLofi]

This

[@eltontrebajo]

People don’t care about the process. It’s about the product.

[@sleepfieldro]

@@eltontrebajo i dont fully agree but the product def matters more to everyone else but the artist themselves most likely

[@kaydgaming]

@@sleepfieldroyou’re objectively biased towards the production side of things. An average listener doesn’t know anything.

[@yepyepmusic]

Before music production i didn't know what samples are ​@@kaydgaming

[@obob6252]

AS THEY SHOULD

[@bobby4f]

Producer peers care..Does our opinion matter?....Nope lol but other producers care

[@clouddddddddddddddd]

I think what’s lame as fuck is people policing how music should be made, so I agree with you there. Sometimes I sample loops. Sometimes I spend hours on MIDI tweaking voice leading and counterpoint. At the end of the day it’s about whatever makes the song the best it can be. And most of the people who talk shit about tools don’t have a single song to their name.

[@sleepfieldro]

very great point! its all about what the individual artist wants to do imo

[@rubibeats]

The very Idea that you could be upset at how another producer makes music is insane at this point.

[@rubibeats]

If you want to have a conversation about the commercialization of art go talk to a label executive. People are just trying to make cool shit. Idrc if you recorded raindrops or cut and pasted whole loops. If it's good, it's good.

[@popo_perez]

Underrated comment!

[@ProdLucio]

It’s a superiority thing they think they are better than others because they don’t use loops those people are weird

[@Lagchunk]

Is it? I feel like as an artist (literal drawing) this reminds of other artists not liking Greg Land. Greg Land is a comic book artist who is extremely well known for his rampant tracing, and yet he gets mainstream recognition. One of the biggest parts about art is the effort you put into it, and if you're putting minimal effort, never have to learn any skills, and make the same money as someone who is putting their soul into it and trained for years, it's completely fair for people to call you out.

[@rubibeats]

@What makes it unfair? The method he uses to create his art or the mainstream recognition he gets for it? Since when did years of hard work and learning a skill make someone entitled to define whats fair? Esp in a subjective field like art? and then on top of that how do you determine that someone didn’t work hard at their craft for years before enhancing their workflow with the use of premade samples? Does mainstream recognition determine the value of your art? and to repeat art is subjective, so one of the biggest parts for you may the effort but for someone else the ends may justify the means. The result is whats judged and valued by those who consume it. I can’t for the life of me harbor any distaste for someone receiving recognition for the end product they created regardless of the materials they used to create it or steps they skipped to get there. The tradeoff is I have that same freedom to create whatever I like using whatever I like. If the cost of that is a few random people making bangers with splice samples and nothing else so be it. Final point, if your work is good it’ll speak for itself and stand the test of time. Theres a stark difference in career outcome over-time between someone who got lucky with samples or AI vs someone who’s actually good at what they do. That’s natural selection, no hate from me required.

[@StevenQBeatz]

The main difference between using a Splice loop (or any other company's pre-made loops) vs sampling from vinyl or cassettes etc. is that the Splice loops are already a perfect loop and perfectly in tune. You can easily search for what you want and it will pop right up without much work. Yes you still have to "dig" I guess... but with vinyl, you have to really find the samples yourself (and have a good ear / taste for what is dope), make sure they are in tune, chop, quantize & timestretch to stay on tempo since a lot of old songs don't have a consistent bpm. More skills, care and creativity is needed for the "old school" way in my opinion. With all of that being said, I feel anyway you do it is still producing. Using pre-made loops is just the newer way of doing it and I respect it fully. I love to do it all. I make my own music and original samples from scratch, chop samples from vinyl and cassettes, and use pre-made melodies from time to time.

[@sleepfieldro]

@@StevenQBeatz i agree! at the end of the day music is art and there are no rules

[@nexusobserve]

if you can tune or time samples then the world is small to you... what I hate more is people sampling youtube

[@FatliciousMC]

crazy thing is you don’t even have to dig actual vinyls if ur broke like most of us. KZbin to wav is all you need. Now you’re actually searching for music you like online and then actually chopping it up and making something. I had someone ask me where I got my samples and they were actually in awe when I said “from music I like” made me a lil sad but it’s aight different strokes

[@FatliciousMC]

actually

[@sebp400]

@@nexusobserve so you hate Burial??

[@Shinyshoesz]

It's whatever works. Literally. You can record every part of the beat yourself on microphones, tune it all, put it together on tape, etc. and it can still not hit. It just matters if it feels good or not or succeeds as a piece of music that makes people move/or be moved. I know folks look at the tech and say "this isn't art" but the amount of effort to get a result isn't indicative of how great art can be. From my own personal experience -- I've done plenty of both. I will say, when I play my own guitar parts and my own drum sequencing, there is more organic quality to it. I personally like those tracks a bit more because I can feel that personal flair coming across. BUUUUT I eventually learned how to manipulate clean samples into sounding very analog and like a band in a room. That was a challenge within itself. I had to learn how do you take all these samples like players in a room and make them all work together so it sounds like an indie band somehow because I don't have access to a band, but I wanted to make that kind of music. And I think you make really great points -- it's not "fair" but that's how it goes. Look at the Gorillaz song how Damon showed that one interviewer that the entire melody to that shit is just a basic preset on some crappy keyboard that he loved. Does that song not still hit because the melody was "easy"? Hell no! It hits! Whatever works.

[@sleepfieldro]

@@Shinyshoesz 100% spot on, its all about what makes the creator happy and what the listeners enjoy hearing!

[@DigitalHierophant]

perfect response.

[@NOLINK74]

That’s such a corny idea, you let people be lazy

[@virtuealso]

The argument that "whatever works works", taken to its extremes can mean that the ends justify the means, no matter what they are. Exploitation, abuse, deprivation, manipulation, heck, slavery, eliminating the competition; if they work, then they work right? Now, in the case of making music, it doesn't go quite that far, and you could say that I've used some unfair examples to make a point, and you'd be right. Just because life's unfair, and that's how the world is, and what works works, still doesn't mean that thing is right. Now that's just a criticism of the argument but let's talk about making music. If it's unfair that it's easy to make music using samples, then it's equally fine for those artists to be criticized for using samples lazily. It's whatever happens right? It's true that it's lazy, uncreative, uninspired- and sometimes it gets traction, and sometimes it doesn't. But that's like saying you'd listen to AI music if it were good- and maybe you would, but you get me? Part of music is the expertise, the experience, the creativity, the journey, the struggle, the uniqueness, the individuation, the authenticity of expression to make something profound, and if you're just mashing samples lazily, much worse if you stole them, then why is that worth any recognition or praise at all? Of course, there are some who add a lot of creative value alongside their use of sampling; so everything falls on a spectrum and you know yourselves.

[@peake864]

💪🏾💯💯

[@BlaineMakesBeats]

One of the most important things I had to learn as a producer was that you have to be comfortable with your method of creating beats according to where you are at in your level of beat making. Don’t let people discourage you just because they don’t agree with your methods. I get great satisfaction out of flipping samples but now I’m at the point where I want a more intimate connection with my music and going to focus more on sound design vs sampling. Carve your own lane.

[@KannaWorks]

so true great words of inspiration

[@alexanderyozzo]

Yeah but you're describing the methods of a novice/amateur vs a pro. The whole point is people are trying to pass off amateur techniques as "pro". It's like McDonalds comparing themselves to Gordan Ramsey. Sure MCD has sold alot of crap, doesn't make it pro level food. It's garbage. Same thing in music.

[@_loss_]

this auto correcting camera got me tripping

[@MarshallAcosta]

Kind of awesome though!

[@reallychillgoose]

I love this. I just started music theory and producing and was feeling self conscious bc i want to make it all from scratch with no background. While clips and loops would maybe get me on the road faster, im here to make art

[@JosebasOficial]

Do it all from scratch mate:)

[@sleepfieldro]

@@reallychillgoose music should be fun, so if you want to learn composing in the background while using samples/loop id say go for it!

[@bishopgotbeats]

Music theory will deff increase your production skills 💯

[@PRODBYLIIVID]

Theory helps a bunch!! I taught myself, its been over 5 years now, constantly learning. I've been making music since elementary school but didnt start making beats using analog equipment till about a few years ago

[@dtown5id]

A producer should generally not make music with the goal to satisfy other producers expectations or impress other producers. You end up with something not quite hitting the mark, generally. Something not as many people can appreciate. Although i do f with data music. Maybe not exactly on the topic but

[@sleepfieldro]

@@dtown5id nah im following, that definitely happens in all communities of art, making art for other similar artists

[@1almostblue]

Very much so on the topic bc the only people who will ever get angry about this are other producers 😂

[@knotdone5292]

I literally only extract midi from obscure Mediterranean commercials and flip it. Than I contact the library of congress and start buying up as many patents as possible. And than I bury my intellectual opposition with dope ass diss tracks that they wrote.

[@sleepfieldro]

@@knotdone5292 the only way to create authentic music!

[@knotdone5292]

@sleepfieldro Lol but all jokes aside brother this was a very insightful video, and a rather refreshing take on an issue that most people seem to be toxic about, rather than opening a dialouge like this

[@flyjamztheproducermusicisl8766]

I personally love when producers make dope beats with samples because it sort of pays homage to the old school. I for one have never Been one to sample many things I was always the type to make beats from scratch. However I used to use miscraft and I would always use loops until I discovered the musical keyboard function in my DAW.

[@knotdone5292]

@@flyjamztheproducermusicisl8766 same. It's still very muchba skill and very much creative

[@AkashGamana]

wild to think that sampling from youtube wasn't ok and then madlib been doing it steady for years. My philosophy that I got from one of my mentors was, if it sounds good, it is good. chasing after the "proper" way to make a beat is a trap and overtime becomes harder to get out of. The story goes a guy wanted to do it right so he sampled off of vinyl, then he wanted to do it righter so he learned to play his own instruments, then he wanted to do it even more right and then made his own drum, then he decided to grow his own hide for drums and became a farmer and now doesn't have time for music lol

[@WickedPawndotcom]

dope comment

[@sleepfieldro]

@@AkashGamana lol yes ive heard this same analogy, i agree as long as it sounds good thats what ultimately matters!

[@lugebeatzz8747]

I just think music should be intentional. The methods are up for discussion but they're not important as the intention. At some point in the early 2010s I got addicted to making trap beats. One day I listened to like a 100 of my trap beats and they didn't sound like me(the person), even though I created everything from scratch and people appreciated the music. The real kicker came from me going back to making music intentional. I had to stay away from producing to regain the fire of being a real producer instead of going through motions.

[@veh_mix]

It's all about the music; expressing yourself and how it makes the listeners feel at the end of the day! It's really interesting to see how people mix and approach samples in completely different ways. I feel that it is a beautiful way of expressing yourself, especially when done creatively.

[@sleepfieldro]

@@veh_mix i agree, great perspective!

[@beatprocess]

I love making beats sample free also but sampling does help me be more creative as I arrange around sample. Just leaving the sample as is sucks

[@bourne8636]

Exactly

[@sleepfieldro]

it depends on the sample imo but most of the time this is facts

[@ainmusicc]

When I first started creating music I felt like I needed to use splice to make good music but then I realize that music is subjective. Art is subjective and I shouldn’t be judging myself too harshly or comparing myself too much to other producers. Everything I’ve made has been from scratch which is definitely more time consuming I’ll say but I get more enjoyment from the process knowing it wasn’t a drag and drop. Nothing against people who are successful in doing so, I just don’t think it would be rewarding for in the long end. To each their own though. Nice video tho, definitely subscribed!

[@sleepfieldro]

awesome, glad you enjoyed the video! i agree, making art should at least start as something you have fun doing,

[@CK-3K]

I make beats as described for a friend-splice, program drums, add 808-but i also compose my own pieces and synthesize heavy synth basses. So I’m on both sides of the spectrum. Both are fun but producing from scratch requires so much more time and skill than modern beat making, so much so that they’re incomparable. But as a consequence, there’s a lot of incompetent producers and engineers.

[@sleepfieldro]

its def good to do both id say! unfortunately people are gonna do what they want regardless

[@vasileiospgr]

making everything in midi is the most satisfying thing ever. (it's like completing a puzzle) nothing can take that from me 😂 (no audio-music related background)

[@sleepfieldro]

@@vasileiospgr yesss haha i love getting lost in piano roll

[@delwolf159]

This is a good topic. A lot of artists on the stones throw label, and hiphop inspired me to make music, composing a piece definitely makes me feel more accomplished when it comes to getting what's inside, outside. That being said sampling was always a huge part of hiphop, it really forces you to learn music in a different way, a form of music appreciation if you will. If you feel really connected to a certain song and you want to sample It, It's like telling a story of your personal connection to the song being sampled, It's like giving reverence with your own personal flair. All of these creative processes are subject to being adopted into a business and or bastardised for the sake of making money.

[@sleepfieldro]

@@delwolf159 i love this perspective, escaping the pull of money and business as an artist is near impossible

[@wm1573]

Yes and there is more to sampling than taking a 4 bar loop and doing nothing to it. Yes, more than just pitching it up or down

[@delwolf159]

@@wm1573 absolutely, sampling is a powerful technique

[@motcUS]

mashing loops is like mashing paintings for a collage. You’re not painting.

[@sleepfieldro]

@@motcUS true, but youre still making art!

[@motcUS]

@ I agree! You are still an artist! Just touching on the initial composing bit ig ❤️

[@sparkledowner]

The shitty thing is that visual collages are immediately obvious even to untrained eyes. Whereas you'll have no idea when you're listening to a splice sample unless you're already a producer that's heard the sample on Splice. Even the prior sampling methods of back in the day were far more obvious to everyone. Flips of 70s hits, amen breaks, etc. Now, I never know just how much credit to give a producer. If that even matters any more

[@feineash]

but when u r using pre made instruments you havent made them and u havent made the software u r using and u havent build the computer u r using so its just about where we put the barrier between what is art and what is not as technology progresses we will get further and further with this barrier, i suppose whithin some period of time using ai to make a beat from just one prompt will be acceptable

[@motcUS]

@ This is nonsense. You are talking about being a luthier or a software dev, that is not composing music. Those things are still important but coding an oscillator isn’t the same as composing.

[@zackofpluto2884]

Its all about how you flip samples

[@FASTLIFEMEMES]

If u mix it right you a engineer 😂

[@kimdavis2433]

It's a skill in itself to incorporate a premade loop into a song in a way that sounds cohesive. I can maybe use a hi-hat loop in a song but I've never been able to take an instrument loop and build a track out of it that I actually like.

[@rajibear77]

i am a new producer and really just do it as a hobby. I mostly create the chords, melodies and bass etc from scratch with my keyboard piano. I do however sometimes use pre done drum patterns (not the whole beat but for example like , like a kick sequence, then i have to try and identify the snare sequence i want to layer on it etc... As i become better at use FL studio i hope i will be able to make all the drum patterns myself. Its fun to do so. On the ocasssions i have done the drum patternes from scratch they have taken time but it is rewarding.

[@sleepfieldro]

@@rajibear77 yes you will get better at it as you go, keep making beats!

[@BobrLovr]

I get that there are people who feel otherwise. But personally for me as a multi instrumentalist my whole life, I don't get that excited or feel all that proud of my work when I use samples, unless I'm really messing with them like with a granluator or using tiny bits for hocket

[@sleepfieldro]

@@BobrLovr totally valid, i feel similar at times

[@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69]

Really? Marshmello dropped a new tutorial. He used a riser sample saying he was going to make is own but got too used to the sample he was using so he just kept it. You'd be surprised by how many producers actually use these loops and samples out there.

[@StinkyDula]

if I where a multi Instrumentalist, I'd feel the same haha

[@BobrLovr]

@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 no I'm not surprised because I know that's how it is. And it's why I'm not that enamored by electronic music anymore. I used to worship the ground aphex twin walked on until I heard all the samples he used. Its a personal hangup, not saying everyone should feel this way

[@1almostblue]

@@BobrLovrwhy tho?

[@Irpy]

This is exactly how i got to where i am now. I started off really wanting to make music years ago, but didnt have the money for any professional gear, and i didn't know much about music. But i used my laptop and my phone and made short songs and beats using free samples and loops on things like garage band and soundtrap. And now i have fl studio and am working on producing fully original songs :)

[@sleepfieldro]

hell yeah! i love to hear this, so glad youre enjoying the process!

[@mrmooch10]

Thanks!

[@sleepfieldro]

thank you so much! i think this is the first superchat ive gotten, i really appreciate it!

[@MuteCircle]

The most fun thing about sampling for me is just mangling it totally beyond recognition, to be honest. Using a totally non musical sample and forcing it to be something tuneful is the most fun thing in the world.

[@sleepfieldro]

i agree! chopping/streching samples is one of the most fun things you can do as a producer imo

[@wellyd7]

The good ol "authentic artistry" vs. what's optimal for output conundrum. The vast majority of listeners, even the ones who can articulate their opinion on the mix of the song, are listening passively and aren't aware of the level of industry that goes into a popular song. Tech progression inevitably eats up what we consider authentic artistry, but the next gen that grows up with the new norm invariably cooks up something that's next level. Even if there is gonna be a ton of garbage and noise flooding the soundscape, the better stuff will bubble to the top imo. In a weird way, this is what democratization of music really looks like.

[@caseyjones3522]

"but the next gen that grows up with the new norm invariably cooks up something that's next level" theyre already doing it, problem is its not promoted to become popular, so its mostly trap, pop, and hickhop that breaks now. The majors have gutted their AR dept. Trap has really outstayed its welcome, its been the zeitgeist for like 15 years.

[@sleepfieldro]

i agree, the more accessible something is the more the outliers standout

[@Lagchunk]

Making a conversation between producers about the general audience is the biggest problem here. You could make the same argument about people who trace and get popular, and no one in the general audience would know.

[@LUGG824]

This was such a cool and interesting discussion thank you for this! I've been producing and learning keys and music theory for 3 and a half years, and this video really had me thinking about my direction in music going forward. I love sampling, and I'm also enjoying learning piano and writing progressions and stuff. They are two completely different hats but can overlap often. But to get into that classic hip-hop sampling culture, you have to know a lot about music history, culture and record collecting. I find this can be a bit overwhelming (and elitist) at times, but I also want to learn more and dive deeper. That's why I absolutely support anyone using splice loops and things of that nature. Making music and learning about culture and history takes a long long time, and we're not all blessed with that time. Whatever gives you enjoyment and fullfilment is all that matters! I love sampling from KZbin, then adding vinyl crackle, tape hiss / distortion, bit reduction to give it texture like old vinyl records and cassettes and stuff. What I am learning is that the amount of effort put in isn't indicative of the quality of a song. I often find that I criticise my self by going "oh you should learn about the classic records to sample instead, you're not listening to the right stuff!" But what I'm learning is that there is no "right" way, only what sounds good. whatever you sample, you're going to gradually get a better ear for sampling, and the more music you make with genuine passion and love, the better you will become at making music :)

[@sleepfieldro]

thanks for watching! theres no right or wrong way to make art - if learning the history is something youre interested in your should def pursue it, while having fun making your own music!

[@reedtheinfinite]

I fuck with bro, talking about all the things i noticed this year, so true, i always used to be like i dont like sampling splice loops because someone made it for sampling and then someone could use it but then its like its no different from sampling vinyl , someone made that too and could use it too lol so many boxes in music

[@elijahhenderson3505]

My teacher always says that art only gives what you give it

[@sleepfieldro]

very true!

[@gamivibes]

This really is a Hobby vs Job vs calling discussion, everyone has different goals and produces for different reasons. In art you'll always have the disgust for ready made art but thats kinda silly imo

[@sleepfieldro]

oh shit gami !! big fan of ur stuff man, thanks for checking out the vid! hobby vs job vs calling is a really interesting way to frame this

[@LPphotographyLP]

I call that type of sampling from splice as mixing. I use splice but always try and mix it up, pitch, chop etc. 99% of the time i make my own beats as that’s what i enjoy but sometimes, i use a live bongo loop to fill the drums out.

[@sharyaohshob]

Lack of musicians, music theory is needed.

[@sleepfieldro]

i personally think learning theory helps a lotttt but its also not fully necessary

[@chinering23]

9:29 No, it's much easier to do now. Sampling from youtube is probably better quality than vinyl in some cases. I remember when we could only sample 6 seconds back in 1993/4 at 8/12bit. The trouble is, in this day and age, unless it's a classic break (like the amen where no one has been sued for it) you will have to clear the samples used. This isn't a viable option for me and I'm with you where sampling yourself is the far superior option for your own unique sound. How you play, record and how you process your raw sounds you will find your own. Established producers probably don't care to use samples because they're not that worried about offloading most of the proceeds because they have enough money anyway.

[@WeinerTouchy]

Established producers know the real trick of the game: Grab a sample you like, throw it into any plugin that can extract the sound into midi, change one note or two. Boom. You don't have to license the sample because you are now interpolating and not using the original. You will still have to pay a fee - but it's a much smaller slice of your pie.

[@pamphileay]

I'm a musician and composer. I agree to a degree. Music has and always been what YOU create! Technology is a tool to express what you feel and hear in your head. I learn how to read and write music and played several instruments. But when the mac mini came out and Garageband loops! It save me time creating my drums. But that's it! Everything else I play! Anybody can use loops. But can they do what DJ Shadow did with, "Endtroducing"?

[@sleepfieldro]

ooo the DJ Shadow point is huge, really great perspective there!

[@jmusicks972]

0:02 I used to do that in 2016 September when I first started thinking I was doing something but I went and watch more videos and stuff I learn cause me I’m a musician at first and I got tired of replaying people music so I wanted to do my own shxt 🤘🏾💯😌and still doing it and you got a good point loop melo or drum kit, well I don’t used splice I used loop pack from friends or something or looperman back in the day end I feel more accomplished when I start from scratch it’s just a great feeling

[@sleepfieldro]

yes id say loops from friends is muuuch better overall than splice etc

[@OPBEATSz]

the sweetest and kindest producer I've ever seen- must sub

[@sleepfieldro]

haha thank you so much! im just being honest :)

[@bullymaguire23]

The only time i use splice is to test genres out that I haven't tried before. Then, 2 hours later, i just deleted the whole track, lol.

[@sleepfieldro]

@@bullymaguire23 lol thats fair!

[@SIXVNGELS]

Why stop at sampling, we should be building our own instruments from scratch as well, then build our microphones and computers as well… I think only mediocre producers are arguing this point

[@MAGEBEATS]

whewwwwwww

[@Slavic_Fury]

Don’t forget to mine your own raw materials to build the computers.

[@budxkai]

I always use splice to add some sauce to whatever I’ve made. Usually for vocas to chop and fit or sound fx

[@sleepfieldro]

awesome! whatever works i say go for it

[@Riddimsofcreation]

personally i like sampling and making from scratch. if people are having fun and the music is great and its not straight up copy and paste i dont see why people are mad at that. its like people forgot why they became music producers in the first place. people will always talk no matter what lane in life just do what makes you happy.

[@wade__]

i like sampling the loops that already sound good and turning them into instruments to play something new. it's more about the sonic quality than the loop itself

[@mubumubu5975]

Started digging through some old sample packs and came across this edm construction kit and it had some really sweet banging stuff for something made in the early 2010s. Then i found a kit which was one to one the same as a song I heard loved and 'downloaded' back in the soundcloud days. I found the song and boy oh boy, whoever made it completely used only loops from the construction kit and published that song! I liked it back then and still do, but finding that it's something even I could've made was heart crushing. And I think that's why some despise the use of loops (especially when others do) because we expect that there'd be people disappointed in us. Ignoring the intellectual property side of things it is just beautiful on its own that songs can get to be made, shared and reach the masses without collecting dust in someones online shop or folder. So hooray to loops/sampling for the consumer. We producers have to detach from our position as creaters when we look at others art. Just because they did infact use somehting not made by their genius or it didn't take them time, doesn't mean that they made something unique, because anybody else wouldve used those loops differently to arrange the song. Think of it as skrillex giving some kid his old projects and saying you can use these however you like and they actually end up completing old tracks, mixing and mastering them too. That in itself is deserving of credit no matter how much was preordained. So let's be a bit more graceful :)

[@sleepfieldro]

awesome response, thank you!

[@cinnamoncoffeecake5925]

I’m a drummer but when I’m sampling on my 404 I sometimes use Splice to find a quick jungle break for percussion or something like that, but I’ll process it differently each time and I’ll add FX to it and chop it differently etc. it does almost feel like cheating compared to finding the breaks myself or recording my own breaks but it also speeds up my workflow and allows me to focus on other aspects of my projects more

[@Pistolbomb]

I used to have lots of great loops in my Vengeance sample packs and for a really long time I avoided using them until everyone forgot about it…

[@sleepfieldro]

haha, strategic!

[@brandonmorris5811]

I have this one track I made where the main sample was this splice loop. I altered that sum bish so much that I completely forgot what the original sample was when I wanted to recall something

[@sleepfieldro]

hell yeah! for the most part, i also prefer to alter a sample to the point its not immediately recognizable

[@brandonmorris5811]

@@sleepfieldroI’m glad you replied. Reminded me to subscribe!

[@MalikChildish]

To add to this convo, sample producers - there are only FEW that are consistent

[@sleepfieldro]

i agree, most of my fav producers nowadays dont use many samples

[@azaziccmusic]

I don't care how other people make music or not. If the song sounds good then it sounds good. Personally, I think it's unimpressive and too easy to basically just rip any sample from anywhere and at most just just the speed or pitch, so I don't do that when I sample for a song that I legitimately care about making. But I don't let this take away from my appreciation of other music, because it doesn't matter how easy it was to make, if it sounds good it sounds good.

[@sleepfieldro]

exactly! people should just make what they want and enjoy themselves imo

[@1llustriousofficial]

It's literally all about what sounds good to you. What you have and how you use it opposed to what you don't have is crucial to starting out as a producer. So as a beginner, if you take 5 loops from Splice or Looperman, throw them in a beat, and arrange them to your liking, that's your creativity speaking. About 2 months ago I made a beat with loops out of Arcade. The only section I made from scratch were the drums.

[@sleepfieldro]

i agree 100%

[@allsoulconsumed]

the best part about music is allowing people to use their form of expression as creatively as they can, and evoking emotions from ur audience. people argue so much about the technicality of art forms all like it’s not just a baseline to start from.

[@sleepfieldro]

exactly! i think people often forget that music is art and has no rules :)

[@saintrumi]

We went through the MCU era of rap in the mid 90s too, when all the pop rap records were just exact jacks of 70s R&B hits. You hit the nail on the head. It’s all been done before. During that exact same era, some of the best golden era hip hop was made that didn’t chart, and J Dilla was making tracks with the ummah.

[@sleepfieldro]

great point! everything comes in cycles i suppose

[@flaccidacid6819]

these new producers need to start being creative. half my snare sounds are just a recording of me flicking an empty can of monster into my mic

[@sleepfieldro]

lol i love this! ive def gotten locked in to using the same drum sounds

[@ChadAV69]

It’s so easy to make something that’s listenable nowadays lol. I started in 2009 making dubstep and I would spend weeks making stuff. Now anyone can just get FL Studio, use their built in sample service and find some loops and arrange them and now you have made your first song. And that first song is going to sound like it could be played on the radio.

[@hendrik6156]

Only if you want to make bland and generic music tho. Modern dubstep artist are on a new level tbh but you have to dig hard to find them since the mainstream scene has become boring and bland. Most producers I listen to nowdays barely hit 3k plays on their tracks lol

[@morizanova]

Always start with mindset " today I really want creating or crafting a good song " If needed or to make more lively inspired , you can just use loops or whatever samples as a starting guide which you can erase latter . If the final song lost the coolness or greatness simply because those loops/samples not in there anymore , that`s mean we need to going back to make adjustments with the song itself

[@sleepfieldro]

@@morizanova good point! ive definitely used the method you mentioned many times

[@RemeSmokesaplenty]

It’s like homemade pasta and tomato sauce vs Barilla and Prego, both pastas, just depends how much time I got.

[@sleepfieldro]

as an italian i love this analogy lol

[@AndreyEvermore]

I make all my beats organically

[@sleepfieldro]

@@AndreyEvermore hell yeah! id love to know what you define as "organic"

[@AndreyEvermore]

@@sleepfieldro like I make my sounds then play the melody on piano my music is on the channel I comment with

[@UNKNWN_ENT]

Yk I went into this video thinking there was gunna be some extreme gatekeeping around producing given the title; but I actually agree with the majority of what you said, and am glad I stuck around to hear the entirety of what you had to say. Especially when you said that part about 'it takes a while to get to a point where your music is something decent enough where you want to listen to it' which is why a lot of people rely on loops, or services like Splice to do a lot of the 'heavy lifting' in terms of curating samples. Generally speaking it kinda makes sense it would become mainstream for producers of all experience levels to use these services if you're just trying to get a project done in a relatively quick manner. It certainly is a lot easier than digging for a vinyl, recording that into something like audacity, importing it into a DAW; and then incorporating it into a song. And there's a lot of truth to what you said, at least from my own experience. I definitely relied on loops or sampling when I lacked gear/software or the experience to make what most people would define as 'proper music' (meaning made 100% from scratch). I was just working with a budget falling apart laptop, zero knowledge of music theory; and was tryna throw together a 'beat' for me and my friends to practice rapping to. However personally speaking; back then I would be too embarrassed to call myself a producer. Shoot even now that I'm at the point I have the gear and make songs my friends and I like to bump from scratch; I still struggle calling myself an 'artist' or 'producer' lmao. Idk just sounds too pretentious 🤷‍♂ But like you said tho to each their own! These people will always exist. It's better to accept these tools will exist to make our jobs easier as creators and were not meant to 'cheapen the arts' like people make it out to be. That being said, not all of these tools will be useful depending on how we want to create; but that's entirely up to the individual, and I agree we shouldn't gatekeep or come down on people who utilize or rely on these tools to create. Often times like we've addressed; these are tools used by people new to the game. So for that very reason we shouldn't be discouraging new artists from getting their feet wet. And even if they are 'veterans' and using Splice; more power to em. Obviously it's not viewed the same as composing/producing a song from the ground up; but so long as it sounds good, and everything is arranged nicely nobody should really care. People gotta stop tryna bring others down to seem higher; instead we should prop people up so we can all be greater. I wouldn't be making half decent beats if it wasn't for those tools that helped me bridge the gap between my will to create and my experience. It's what kept me from dropping out immediately cause you can still get decent results with relatively little experience and that encouraged me to keep going. And while I don't use Splice I do still sample on occasion, and bought of plugin/same libraries; so in a sense what I do isn't so different! I love just anything related to music! I don't mind making a remix, rapping over a loop, or making a track people don't consider 'real music' if it's for a project I'm passionate about. Just create to create. Edit: swapped the word 'producer' for 'creator' to be more apt.

[@DanLaDue]

It might not be the most creative thing to do but there’s something to be said for being able to look at the bigger picture and know when two things will work well together. There’s so much grey area with producing/engineering overlap

[@lyrixFH]

I agree. That's basically arrangement

[@sleepfieldro]

@@DanLaDue i agree!

[@AMBeatsss]

Why lame im not even using loops :)

[@sleepfieldro]

hahahha

[@DR.KRYOVAK]

I use Cymatics Trap Drum Loops, there I said it...Because spending hours loading in 1 shots from scratch and making drums only to end up not liking my instrumention over the drum loop tended to watse hours of my time. Another point of mine is that if the drums is the only .wav loop and all I play/add add over it to make it a completed beat,as in all else is midi...then I have done a heck of a lot and then I add vocals if I'm feeling the beat I made. Also when I program in drums I tend to use the same patterns, I find it inspiring if the drums are great from the get go and I can focus on all the instrumentation around it, I will also put compression on the drum beat and fx and such. If I'm really liking a drum beat I will layer 1 shot drums, kick, snare, hi hate etc under it and then deleate the loop, so I capture the vibe of the drum loop and break free from my bad drum pattern programming. Using loops for everything and calling it your beat is lame.

[@VoyageOne1]

Literally no different from what I was doing in Dance eJay 20 years ago 🤣

[@sleepfieldro]

lmaoo hell yeah

[@NahTrust]

its fine though dont worry about it. The best producers who are doing something different / original will always come through eventually and be seen as the best. All the other stuff just gets lost in time and filtered out and those people are also having fun so who cares really

[@NahTrust]

and if people are gonna make loop shite and not do anything themselves it's their loss really tbh because theyre just tryna get famous or make money instead of actually doing something meaningful

[@sleepfieldro]

i agree!

[@andersaucy]

Concise thoughts, for an apparently wicked controversial debate :o

[@sleepfieldro]

haha seriously i didnt think this would be so controversial

[@Kencade]

I think its mostly about fulfillment I don't get much fulfillment out of using a melody loop and throwing drums on it. But at the same time loops can be good for building community(collabs) and for mass production on the big stage. If your a big time producer and you need have a studio session with a artist that artist might play through multiple beats in a session so you would need to bring more beats with you which is why you'll need to ramp up producing with loops if you know you take a long time. For me personally how can I know if I'm progressing and getting better if I only use loops. I want to understand WHY the loop works and be able to implement that into my own beats. As for sampling genres like hip hop house and drum and bass all got there starts from sampling. Its not really a black and white convo but going to the shop(or youtube) to find a record, listening to the whole thing for chops and then having to avoid the popular chops to make something unique is more fulfilling. It also can show off your personality as producer, it can show what you grew up listening to and what your interest are as a person. The sampling lines are more blurred though because you can call out hypocrisy on somethings. It is the same but it isn't the same at the same time if that makes sense.

[@Kencade]

also some people just dont got the money for all that equipment and plugins which also ties into the history of some genres. Its a nuanced conversation for sure.

[@sleepfieldro]

yes, this is all great perspective!

[@austinhamlin2263]

I'd say I appreciate original music more than sampled music for the most part. It usually takes more effort and creativity to produce original music. Though sampled music has a wide range of complexity and difficulty, like you said. Its almost like photoshopping existing media with templates vs creating your own media from scratch in graphic design.

[@sleepfieldro]

yeah exactly! like making a collage vs a painting

[@capnjames]

What people don’t talk about is using a loop as a place holder to build a beat around it then taking the loop out and leaving the beat as is or changing the melody/rhythm where the loop originally was. 😅 helps with a “quick” workflow if you don’t know how to start with your own melody or drums or whatever

[@sleepfieldro]

this is a great tactic! i actually talk about this technique a bit in my new video coming this sunday :)

[@dubsthelegacy]

“Leave it as is” is the key here..

[@sleepfieldro]

it all depends on the song!

[@thecatevans]

because a sample is already composed .. i like how you said you considered them two different art forms. i agree. both have their place, but i could see where it could be frustrating from a composition standpoint when many are getting success by sampling.

[@sleepfieldro]

its all about perspective imo

[@t.henricus9971]

I dig this. Well said, man. Im a composer first, but I do enjoy making beats. It's a different artform...different skillset (with some overlap). I think most seasoned producers can discern quality, and most of the time, they can pick out if someone is using loops or not. Some of us nerds might even recognize the sample or pack if it hasnt been processed 😅...but at the end of the day, I say do what brings you joy...not everyone has time or willingness to go deep into it..some folks want a quick after work beat to chill or rap too....and i think beginning producers can learn alot by putting loops together...arrangement, developing ear... im not past starting out with loops for some inspiration... and certainly use reference tracks....especially if working on a sync project. They can be great song starters...but give credit where credit is due!

[@sleepfieldro]

@@t.henricus9971 i couldnt have said it better myself!

[@noisebrick9248]

I agree with this, I also have more of a composer mindset than a sample/loop workflow, I tried and it is fun but it's not really how I approach music making, and it's cool, whatever. But my question is we went from "no, sampling isn't really making music" to "ok, sampling is an artform", then from "no, using splice loops is lame" to "splice loops is also art", this leads to the next big thing: AI. How many years/months until "they used AI to make the bass and the drums but the synth lead is theirs, it's all about art"? Probably not long, it's not gonna stop me from making music but I guess it'll be interesting to see the transition again, cause all these happened in last 30 years really, art has been in constant evolution alongside with tech and everything else, I find it beautiful

[@HelenFire420]

I think the loop sampling feels more like a trend to me. There are still incredibly original and talented producers that are getting the songs they work to chart. (A.G Cook and Finneas come to mind). Though I see the concern, I can think of many charting pop songs from the 90s that used the same basic beat loops from Yamaha and Casio keyboards of the era, it’s just more obvious now because of the internet.

[@sleepfieldro]

i agree!

[@JinvorionSTG]

my problem is not that they use sampled files, is the fact that the music itself is boring af, like for modern producers a transition is just muting the kick, snare or any other instrument and 5 secs later unmute everything and that's it, while a good transition is doing a gorgeous chord change or when the groove itself changes and that's how you make moments in music that makes you feel just great...

[@sleepfieldro]

i think it all depends on the song, its all perspective!

[@JinvorionSTG]

@sleepfieldro definetly but let say in trap/reggaeton 99% of the time it's like that, wich is why i can't get why ppl like it so much... So damn repetitive

[@sleepfieldro]

@@JinvorionSTG there are entire cultures of music and art based on one simple drum pattern, even if its not your taste i think its pretty undeniable!

[@JinvorionSTG]

@@sleepfieldro i mean, if we go to tribes is obviously understandable but this modern producers have everything to be unique and creative but is just getting worse and worse, this guys are going backwards...

[@pvthfindxr]

i couldn’t care less how a beat is made as long as it sounds good. in fact i think it’s fun when i hear a beat and go “oh! i have this loop in my library too!”

[@BTAVmusic]

Why would anyone make music for other producers lol. The people that don’t make music and just want to enjoy music is who you should be trying to aim for. Could care less if any producer hates the way I produce a song when x person who doesn’t do any production and just wants a song to enjoy ends up loving my song. The goal is to please people that just want to indulge in music they enjoy. This argument is so played out cause if a producer could see into the future and it said “if you use this splice loop in your song, you’ll become a massive hit” they would all use the loop 😂 99% of Sabrina Carpenter fans don’t care about a splice loop in her hit song let alone know what splice even is. Do you want to make music for the person that will stream it endlessly or appease your producer friend who will listen to it one time and never come back? All the hit rap songs just sample from old hit records. Splice is literally no different. Why stress myself about making a top loop from scratch that will sound like any other top loop that no one will even notice the difference? Just make the song good people, enjoy the process, and relish in the final product.

[@sleepfieldro]

i think it all depends but i agree that i personally wouldnt want to produce music solely for other producers to hear. thanks for your response!

[@aye5kay]

Nice nuanced approach.

[@sleepfieldro]

thank you! nuance is hard to come by these days imo, so i try my best not to fall into one way of thinking

[@zaptadub]

bro just explained every Lofi track made

[@frankcoronabeats]

Im at that stage were Im gravitating more towards the sampling 😂

[@sleepfieldro]

@@frankcoronabeats whatever you want to do is what you should do!

[@aspirativemusicproduction2135]

My problem with loops is how many hours do I have to scroll trough loops to find what I want and why I just don't make it myself because it's my vision of what it should be like and it's easier to just make the loop than surch for something that may be close. And yes, sometimes it takes minutes and sometimes takes hours to make the loop sound okey.

[@sirlurksalot369]

I agree. On my channel I use an MPC X, Daw and as much hardware as I have room for. Always trying to create or mx up some sounds to take them out of thier original form before I go in. Sometimes I loop stuff but usually only when it asks for it. Keep it Original

[@sleepfieldro]

yes, originality is key for sure!

[@LOADTRACKMUSICART]

I think he’s absolutely right in what he says. Working with loops, pre-made drums, and pre-mixed hi-hats takes away a lot of creativity. Using a drum machine, starting from scratch, drawing inspiration from sounds on records, like kicks or snares, and creating everything from A to Z is a real challenge. Not only does it take time, but you also need good machines and high-quality samplers to bring your ideas to life. It’s a much harder way to work, but that’s what real music production is about. That’s how a true composer or an authentic beatmaker is supposed to work. Nowadays, people often settle for a keyboard, a mouse, and a screen. Using ready-made loops or pre-designed melodies doesn’t encourage creativity. You’re no longer really composing; you’re assembling pieces like a puzzle, trying to fit each part into its place. That said, more and more producers are returning to drum machines, crafting their own kicks, snares, and hi-hats, and fully composing their tracks. They choose their own reverb, delay, distortion, and carefully add these elements to their productions. I understand that this approach takes time and money, but the result is much more original and creative than simply pasting loops from websites or using pre-made melodies. I believe great days are ahead for beat-making because we’re seeing more and more people working with advanced machines and samplers, challenging themselves, innovating, and creating truly original sounds. It’s slowly but surely making a comeback. One very important point I want to emphasize is that when everything becomes easy, when we always choose convenience without putting in effort or thought, everything ends up sounding the same. All music starts to have the same color. When you listen to certain songs on streaming platforms, you can immediately tell: “Oh, that melody came from this website.” That’s where the difference lies: an unrecognizable, unique piece of music is one that required time and effort. On the other hand, a track that’s instantly recognizable for its simplicity is often based on pre-made elements.

[@sleepfieldro]

i think this is all great perspective! id argue you can "compose" your beats with nothing but a computer, such as clicking in midi roll etc

[@2939x]

the thing we have to talk about actually is how ur camera moves so smoothly to track your face

[@sleepfieldro]

lol its an AI tracking webcam

[@internationalsto5267]

Admittedly I always stayed away from chopping samples or composing from scratch because I knew it would take a lot more brain power. Now that I understand basic music theory and educated my myself on sampling techniques my beats have elevated exponentially. We kind of live in an era where “trying” is seen as corny in away and it shows. I believe if more beat makers educated themselves on music theory and different sampling techniques instead of looping that would help

[@sleepfieldro]

this is great perspective, and i think it also applies to rappers who rap over their own vocals and barely do live vocals at shows, they dont want to seem like they are trying or care cus then they are lame and corny

[@rcameron4091]

This is a more complex topic then most people realize given all the variables involved . My attitudes towards using loops have changed over the years , and with new tech and the crazy grey area's in copyright , it's messy at best in some cases . Good or bad I avoid any turmoil by playing all instruments myself these days . Love the vid . Thanks CAMCURSE

[@sleepfieldro]

really good point, getting other artist's work involved in yours from a business perspective can get messy

[@ProdSlime-yv8sg]

now if u can compose on top of sampling then u have exited the matrix

[@sleepfieldro]

lmaooo absolutely!

[@MibuTempest]

im using a budget 8 track software to make ambient/vaporwave/ dark music, and this is nice and refreshing, motivating to keep making tru compositions. cheers.

[@sleepfieldro]

that sounds awesome! glad you enjoyed the video

[@WeinerTouchy]

At the end of the day - most producers can do both. I can sit here and lay out midi, search for the perfect sounds for that midi, lay out my drums or use my e-drums to lay a pattern. Or I can skip half of that process, load up splice, find something I like, and go straight to laying a pattern and making something I like. Either way you go, things are going to be changed. There are some elements I might like out of a loop, and some I will load into FL, separate the stems, remove what I don't like, do some pitch bending, maybe I want to half time it.... Who knows. Some people will still say that "isn't" producing, but those people are just pocket watchers. They sit at home and WANT to make beats, but can't so they are going to sit on the internet and try to regulate what I can or can't do to be a "real" producer. I might not have a ton of streams, but at least I'm PRODUCING some sort of content for people to listen to. This whole argument is stupid. It's the same argument that people try to have in the drawing community. People that draw with an iPad or Digital aren't "real" artists because they use line smoothing. Real artists only use pen and pencil! In reality, as an artist, I'm going to use whatever I need to use to get the sound I want for a track. If it's a Splice sample, it's a fucking Splice sample. If I need to hop on an online radio station and record something, I will. If I need to pull out a vinyl, I will. I know what I want my track to sound like and I have multiple ways to get that sound. Knowing my tools and their limitations is what makes me or anyone else creating music an artist. The process at the end of the day doesn't. fucking. matter. What matters is that you are making something that you are proud of, releasing it to the world and letting people enjoy your creations with you.

[@ShuiOsoSound]

I just made a new page just to delve more into making new music for myself. Don't use pre-made loops, music is music. Good music will find you, regardless

[@reedtheinfinite]

the youtube sampling shit is way worse than the splice vs vinyl subject. lol because its literally the same shit, sampling a record

[@IEdjumacate]

I strive to make everything myself when it comes to grooves, percussion, arrangement, etc. I think if a producer uses loops here and there because they just fit exactly what they’re looking for, that’s okay. They had the vision & they’re just using what’s at their disposal. Most of being an artist/producer is having a vision and creating that vision. I don’t think using loops here & there changes that. Maybe if you only use loops and strictly follow templates then I would say that’s not really art.

[@theandroids]

It's called curating.

[@TVBOY1]

i think its all about the end product with music production like some really fire tracks is just a nice ambient sample with some drums added and nothing else and if the sound is really fire i dont think it matters that the producer only added some simple drums

[@sleepfieldro]

great point!

[@ThatBonsaipanda]

There are two paths a music producer can take >> 1. Make it a business where you can make a living out of it: This is where you supply music that the majority audience wants to listen to and you want to absolutely maximize the size of your audience by catering to their likes and wants. The (music production) method of how you get there is irrelevant. You study the current trends and make more of what is currently 'the thing', you network with other producers that do the same and collaborate to maximize the output. 2. You embrace music production as an artform: You make what you want to make, the audience's dislike is irrelevant. You're conscious about your production methods and you want to keep them 'clean' and 'authentic' for your style. You most likely won't make any money with it and it stays more as a hobby for you, but you made it your way, instead of dictated by the capitalist markets and trends. That's the reality of it.

[@ninjakid415]

I'll be the first to admit that I sometimes have the hardest time making beats because I'd be so stuck on everything having to be so original.

[@sleepfieldro]

ive had this same problem!

[@DoorskipDNB]

We live in a world that rewards cooperation over creativity so you are always going to get the bland socialites running the circus

[@sleepfieldro]

@@DoorskipDNB true!

[@TayyJayy]

it really depends what you used with the loops because its a tool, if you only put a loop over a drum loop too and called it a day. Your not a producer, your just subjectively a producer by releasing songs that were not made by you but you uploaded it. Real beat makers make it from scratch or team work with other producers who you can talk to and change the melody but if ur using loops online you cant take the stems from it and change it, so your not a producer who did the actual work of whats memorable of a song from a listener ears