These Star Trek Aliens Can't Be Classified

[@tknocan]

Subraxas thanks for the idea of the video and for Patron Tylor, Tylor keep going!

[@benpearson49]

I'm a 40k fan, so my instincts tell me that Subspace (The Warp) has got to have something to do with how nonecorporals function.

[@morlockmeat]

The Organians are fascinating. They have heart and compassion, but won't take crap from lower species. And I find it interesting that they take human form for the benefit of the visiting humanoids, yet they say that doing that is extremely painful for them. It would be like us painfully reducing ourselves to, as Spock intimated, an amoeba and interacting with them. It's actually a fascinating episode. We humanoids just got spanked.

[@supremeobliterator]

When they mention Humans "and Klingons" feeling painful to them. They mean gaving to deal with thier hostility and primitive thinking, not necessarily thier physical form.

[@morlockmeat]

@@supremeobliterator - Hmmmm… Possibly.

[@suncat9]

Just like we don't take "crap" from less intelligent species on earth. We take control of cats and dogs, for example, and kill animals that pose an immediate, mortal risk to humans.

[@manw3bttcks]

They didn't say that their taking on human form was painful but the presence of "beings such as yourselves is intensely painful to us" (or similar). The discordant and violent emotions of the humans and klingons hurt them, not their faking a physical human form.

[@morlockmeat]

@@manw3bttcks - You're right. I stand corrected.

[@jymfysher7704]

Hey over 20k subscribers now...congratulations!!!

[@ClintSprayberry]

That was awesome my dude!!!

[@cpluvsniners70]

Very thoughtful, well done piece on a "fascinating" topic. Bravo.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@PwncakeOW]

Good video. I like your channel.

[@dr.x4050]

My favorite noncorporeal species is also the Organians. They seem like an adult version of the Q and beyond needing to always play with, test, and judge the humans.

[@Ron4885]

Yes, I liked them too.

[@kaitlyn__L]

I always like to imagine these powerful non-corporeal aliens in a community looking-down on the physical species spreading across the galaxy like ants :)

[@suncat9]

I agree, which is why I believe the Organians to be more advanced that even the Q.

[@Gfish17]

I find your phrasing of Calling Orgnians "An Adult version of the Q" a little bit odd. As Q children who grow up stay Q. Not exactly a Butterfly situation.

[@terminat1]

​@@suncat9Based on feats, the Q are far more powerful than the Organians.

[@fredfungalspore]

The Errand of Mercy is one of my all time go to episodes..I would dearly love all World leaders to watch this episode in a time of World Conflict and reflect on our human barbaric nature...John Colicos was absolutely brilliant in this episode his facial expressions and fine use of the English language sets him apart 🤟

[@madliberal7710]

My favorites are The Organians lead by Erborn and The Doud who wiped a whole species with a mere thought. Both still had human characteristics and feelings.

[@charlestaylor253]

It's 'Ayelborn', you cretin.

[@philipedwards3391]

The Organians episode (I think it was called "Errand of Mercy") was in my opinion one the very best episodes - especially the Klingon military Commander "Kor!"

[@jasperdoornbos8989]

Hi. Jasper here. Thanks for your wonderfull video again. Loved it!

[@VulcanOnWheels]

While watching this video, I thought of the Vorvon from an episode of Buck Rogers.

[@kelvinh8327]

With respect; I still believe Spocks brain to be the worst. "Brain, brain, what is brain!"

[@roberthofmann8403]

Comment section: You forgot so many!!! Content creator: No; we didn't.

[@davidseligman6445]

I was intrigued by the "Muse" being that came to Jake Sisko in DS9. How it floated off ..

[@fredWaxBeans11111]

Gotta give it to the Organians also. They could sense every single Klingon and Every Federation member ANYWHERE in the entire galaxy simultaneously, AND interpret their intentions. If anyone would even think of a hostile act, any potential weapon (including hands, feet etc) would feel like 350 degrees. Take that Q continuum! And I bet the Organians are mature and competent enough to NOT misplace the entire Deltived asteroid belt!

[@singletona082]

Oh come on you've never let something slip? These 'car keys' you lot seem so on about? or your 'phone' whatchimacallit? It got put back didn't it?! That should be what matters here.

[@fredWaxBeans11111]

@@singletona082 lol! Well, I could see Trelane misplacing an asteroid belt, or a star system (like a child leaving his toys on the floor), but not a Q continuum member. It seems at least some of the Q members are 'absent minded' which is a weakness, certainly not, "all knowing, all seeing". 🪐

[@singletona082]

@@fredWaxBeans11111 well there is lost and then there is 'lost.' Q probably just tucked it somewhere he thought would be interesting rather than putting it back where he got it from.

[@rickjohnston2667]

You forgot to mention Apollo from "Who Mourns for Adonais." Although he was corporeal, he possessed "godlike" powers.

[@gaminglord829sidious7]

NonCorporeal beings truly are a fascinating group of alien species. I often ask myself, will we as humans ascend to the level of that of noncorporeal beings like Trelane, The Q, the Organians, or the Providers?

[@md28stads]

The Q talk about the Organians in the "Q Continuum" books. They are members of that community of being in the galaxy that are on a higher plane of existence--they were observing the Q war with 0 although they never get involved.

[@sunshineskates5377]

That dude ghosted Bev Crusher for real in that clip.

[@chissstardestroyer]

Yeah, just judging from the sadism: that was "Battlestar Galatica's" "Count Iblis"; basically the head demon *itself*, one you really do NOT want to run across, come what may!

[@drhibas]

Nice summary! Your videos really have a very high production quality 😊

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you!

[@jjhggdcqz]

@@OrangeRiver You didn't mention the Medusans! Since I started watching 'Star Trek: Prodigy' Medusans have become one of my favorites!

[@itsbfginnit]

On the topic of non-corporeal species, what about the sapient holografic people that appeared in Voyager? That could a nother interesting video.

[@JohnCastleSmokeless]

IMO, the correct term isn't 'non-corporeal' since they can physically interact with matter and energy. The accurate term would be 'metacorporeal'. Further, the implication is that 'corporeal' isn't a state but a range on a spectrum, with some of these species placing closer to base corporeal form and others placing farther from it. Further still: This implies that various comic superheroes fall into the 'metacorporeal' zone; Dr. Manhattan is an obvious example, but even Superman displays effects only achievable by (probably subconsciously) manipulating matter and energy.

[@fredWaxBeans11111]

It would be interesting to see what the Federation would really be like, if they DIDN'T forget the experiences from previous missions LOL. All you need is 2 episodes, and the Federation is basically a God force. Drink some Scalosian water, and inject some Kironide. Boom. Maybe add in the use of Guardian of Forever. At the accelerated rate, you could step through at "precisely the day you wished". I wonder if even some of the noncorporeal entities might be threatened by the Federation then? LOL. An interesting "what if" or Mirror Mirror scenario.

[@charlestaylor253]

I drink Scalosian water every chance I get. I find it...highly accelerating. 😉

[@fredWaxBeans11111]

@@charlestaylor253 HA! yes👍 "Thank you, Captain. I found it an accelerating experience. " Mr Spock is one funny Vulcan!

[@darthfushang1]

I have made this argument for years with my peers about who is the most powerful in the Star Trek universe Q or Dowd. We called them energy beings when I was a kid. The most powerful can control matter, energy and time. By the way I'm as old as Star Trek. Love the video

[@gbkworf]

Q is much more powerful than the Doud. Q would have just reversed time, or sent the Housnack to Borg space.

[@fernandodepaulasouza9053]

I would love to see a story about the interactiom between Q and Dowds. may be including the organians in this episode, it would be amazing

[@matthewhaley3275]

I'd love to see you do a video on the J'naii from Star trek TNG!! Love yours channel!!!!

[@amberscion1513]

One probably noncorporeal species which may have been missed (I was a bit distracted whilst watching) is the species which sought revenge on Q when he was made mortal. They appeared to be some kind of group mind which manifested as a lightning storm in space (take that, Star Trek reboot!). They were called "The Calamarain," although since the Memory Alpha wiki says they could not be communicated with that must be a name some other species or person applied to them.

[@rmcdudmk212]

Great video, can't wait to see continuing vids on individual non-corporeal species

[@ai6894]

Twist: Onaya (from "DS9") and Ronin (from "TNG") were former acquainted lovers whose offspring (later dubbed Ian Andrew Troi and John Doe) were born the opposite in personality of Trelane. They later went on to assist corporeal beings across space-time (behind the scenes) from threats. Such as -Kosst Amojan -ShaKaRee God -Caretaker -The Totality -Future Guy -Red Angel -Armus' Titans

[@ai6894]

Tried and true enough. However, the caretaker array's end results were. As well as, at first, the angel's intent. Future Guy's motives was (possibly an alternate Archer?) an apparent danger to the temporal stream.

[@toddhendricks8239]

Don't forget the Orgainians can freeze time/ space ships

[@spudhead169]

There is no such thing as pure energy, that's like saying something is pure color or pure height. Energy is a PROPERTY of a thing, not a thing itself.

[@Numba003]

One of my favorite episodes of TOS is the one with the Organians. I'm happy to see them featured! Thank you for the fun video! Stay well out there everybody, and God bless you friends! :)

[@netgnostic1627]

About the force(s) used in telekinesis - ST does have some sort of force usage. Security forcefields like in the Brig, or tractor beams are the forces that you'd need - showing that somehow, Federation scientists have done the physics and the engineering for them. Then you need either the mental ability to generate them, or possibly the noncorporeals exist only partially in our dimensions. What if they exist partly in higher dimensions, or partially in a parallel universe where the laws of physics are different? Maybe that would account for their abilities, and their lack of physical bodies.

[@JMNovak1011]

I still love the Q Continuum series that Sha Ka Ree entity was known as "The One," and was set to the center of the galaxy for causing war that caused destruction of the Tkon Empire. It was not from this plane and was summoned to this universe by the Guardian of Forever. After causing war in Tkon Empire, he was defeated and his body destroyed by the combined efforts of Q2, the female Q, and Quinn only his head remained, and that was subsequently sealed away by the Q Continuum at the center of the galaxy.

[@quantafreeze]

What a great video! Thank you!

[@marvinratchford7913]

Enjoyed your presentation. Forced me to look up solipsism. But, a fitful beginning of exploration of all types!

[@ELJefeReviews]

Just found your channel this morning and I've been binge watching all day. You earned a new sub Tyler. Please keep up the great work! LLAP from a fellow YT creator.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you so much! I'm always glad to hear when someone binges my stuff, keeps me motivated to keep adding catalog and power through when the going gets tough. LLAP 🖖

[@bjorn00000]

I'd add the Calamarain ("Deja Q") and the Medusans ("Is There Truth No Beauty?") to this as well! Note that there are also a number of examples in Star Trek of humans that decided to become beings of pure energy, including Will Decker (Star Trek: The Motion Picture), Captain Picard ("Lonely Among Us"), Rukiya M'Benga ("The Elysian Kingdom"), and Lieutenant O'Connor ("Moist Vessel"), among others. While in these cases the conversion was helped along by a different entity (V'Ger, two trapped energy beings, and a koala), it is likely that in the 23rd to 32nd centuries people might have known that this was happening to some extent, but weren't motivated to beam themselves out into space just to become pure energy.

[@fallwitch]

Thank you soooooo much for mentioning the Daoud so many people forget them or pretend they don't exist.

[@terminat1]

Douwd.

[@rileyackison4495]

I’ve never heard of them before. Which show were they from?

[@amandacornett5680]

Now we are cooking with gas.

[@thewewguy8t88]

I think Lower decks does try to explore the concept of removing your copral body it's terrifying?

[@thewewguy8t88]

@@subraxas yup. So that's maybe a thing.

[@lifeinthevoid1595]

Great video thanks really fascinating now I have to go back and rewatch a bunch of stuff oh damn I have homework I still try to manipulate matter with mind like how Tuvok was teaching Kes... hasn't worked yet but I continue to try 😁

[@Jjj53214]

What about Dr Moreati from the holodeck.

[@paulhunter6742]

I thought Ronin, the aniphasic energy being who used generations of Beverly's Crusher female ancestors to sustain itself just plain stupid. Caretaker, " You must destroy that Damn candle!" 😅😂

[@SnarkNSass]

Foly Huck!! I didn't realize there were so many... It's Naptime for this old lady... I'm gonna watch again later to clear up a couple that I'm too groggy to deal with now.🤣😉😎🖖🏻

[@SnarkNSass]

@@discobolos4227 I'm doing it now.🖖🏻✨

[@mattcorley4622]

Great channel! Your video content and quality is awesome. I use this to unwind after 12 hour shifts in the ER, and to nerd out when my GF and I rewatch episodes for the dozenth time. She loves nothing more than for me to give her a 10 minute background of every character and species in the episode (sarcasm intended) and that's easily worth 5$ a month! Thanks for making the content.

[@OrangeRiver]

Thank you so much!

[@ikaylaah]

I really appreciate your work. Thanks for helping clarify things.

[@leeduncan6730]

They all fascinate me. The Q in particular. Maybe they have found a way to miniaturize their tech so much and incorporate it into their own being. Allowing some of their feats of "godhood".

[@ArticBlueFox96]

Or maybe their katra or soul or consciousness, whatever it is (I suspect a pattern of information in the fabric of reality or subspace or some other underlying reality that exist outside or as the foundation for the Universe), is shaped in such a way that their consciousness is the technology. Just like we make technology out of physical materials, their technology is made out of immaterial reality and their soul has been or can be shaped at will to meet a technological use or purpose.

[@palmercolson7037]

The reason that Star Trek and other shows feature noncorporial entities so much is that they are cheap to create antagonists in the story. You hire an actor to play an Orgonian (put him in non-regular closes from the company's costume storage) or have Troi be possessed by the entity. You can also make them capabiel of doing anything you really want them to. That being said, they can be useful for story telling. The Organians and Q presented a useful story about the humans who aren't as smart and sophisticated as they think they are. The show runners or studio should hire someone whose job is to say no to the use of noncorporial aliens unless the idea satisfies extremely high standards. This person would have to sign off on their usage--like a second signature needed on a requisition form for a big expenditure at a business.

[@palmercolson7037]

That should be "non-regular clothes". Meaning something from the Roman/Greek/ancient peoples collection of costumes. Also, let me add that the video was very good.

[@Fourthaboveall]

We must all thank Nagilum for giving us the best onscreen death scene ever in Star Trek. It is however very interesting how most of these beings never really interact with any of the others. They all just torment us.

[@RolandWolf]

At least they just torment us in this reality and plane of existence. For what we know there could be multiple none corporeal alliances, wars, symbioses and so on, outside our limited experience.

[@pwnmeisterage]

@@discobolos4227 Nagilum existed somewhere "outside" the normal universe we understand. A place with different physical laws, different reality. His image on the screen was a sort of manifestation or avatar constructed entirely to interface with us. Probably entirely unrelated to his "true" form.

[@sjTHEfirst]

Amazing how many of these there have been over the years.

[@OrangeRiver]

So, what's your favorite noncorporeal species in Star Trek?

[@AnyZee]

Gotta go with the Q

[@Vandervecken]

Sargon, Henok, and Thalassa from Return to Tomorrow. This is my personal fave episode of all old Trek. Actually it is of note that Return to Tomorrow does sorta confirm the Q's hints about humanity moving in their direction evolutionarily.

[@jamesalder8628]

Q; hands down. But are all noncoporial entities aware of each other? Maybe through a mycelial network???

[@ClintSprayberry]

Yep, Q

[@markh.williamsauthor7286]

The organians are my favorite. I grew up with TOS and they made a big impact. At first I found Q sort of silly, but he (and the whole species) have grown on me.

[@jerrykennethheard1370]

Awesome video!! More please!😃😃😄✍⚡

[@christianeaster2776]

The psychic abilities could be a result of quantum mechanics. Especially the idea on a quantum level things can be effected by merely observing them thus collapsing all probabilities down to the one observed. A few years ago a physicist speculated that the human mind might be the result of quantum mechanical interactions in the brain resulting in our consciousness.

[@toddhendricks8239]

Quote the Orgainians : as I stand here I stand elsewhere what you call that?

[@22tubetesttube]

Yes !! Explore all those named non-caporial life forms.

[@Orenotter]

No mention of the Medusans?

[@CaritasGothKaraoke]

What about Apollo? Or the wizards and gods inside the great barrier. Not that Cytherian outcast from STV, the ones from TAS.

[@OrangeRiver]

Apollo wasn't really "noncorporeal" per se, would be my take

[@tom4ivo]

I'm always amused that people get stuck on thinking of the soul as being something physical, when it could be something like a psychological organ. Something like the Windows operating system. How much does a soul weigh? How much does Windows 10 weigh? That doesn't really have an answer, right? Windows 10, and any other program, is simply an arrangement of atoms, or electrons, or whatever is being used to store the information. We have no way of running a computer program without the computer, but we've come up with a lot of imaginative ways of running a computer program on stuff we don't normally think of as being a computer. If our consciousness is like a computer program, and we could find a way to store and run it on something that has no apparent physical form, such as being stored in extra dimensions, then we could have our non-corporeal beings.

[@RezValla]

My headcanon term for this is “lightbulbing”

[@paulhunter6742]

I found, the Traveler, from first season of Star Trek-TNG fascinating. His ability to jump between dimensions and propel Enterprise at phenomenal speeds just by thought. Later he returns to show Westly Crusher how harness same abilities.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

Good summary of the species encountered, plus I loved the extra details on the real-world science about how telekinesis could (or couldn't) work! In answer that I have two words: 1) subspace 2) quantum 😉

[@jhallam2011]

This is a tough video to make. Gods speed! 👍😀

[@enriquemino9963]

Hi, i wish you would make a video explaining what was happening to Gary Mitchell in Where no man has gone before episode. What was he transforming into? a Q or something like the organians? and why was he aging as he became more powerful, also maybe its on video is what is the barrier at the edge of the galaxy? and why it cant be seen by astronomers?

[@Petra44YT]

Oh no! Not Ronan again. ... That's an episode that you only watch when you've watched the good ones at least five times each. 🤣

[@adrianhead6272]

Recent discoveries point toward the possibility of a fifth fundamental force (they call it quintessence), although they are yet to definitively prove it exists.

[@michaelbohannon527]

We know about quantum entanglement. That's a fifth force on its' own. We can entangle particles. Telekinesis.

[@michaelbohannon527]

who edited my comment?

[@epistax4]

Does Q have any power or influence outside of the galaxy or are they bound?

[@terminat1]

There is nothing to suggest the Q have any limits to their power except when dealing with their own.

[@milkywaytherapper]

Your Humor is on Point... I love it... LLAP

[@danbreeden5481]

Charles Sheffields at the eschaton suggest that the laws of physics can be changed

[@christianeaster2776]

One thing comes to mind with the Q. The Q always appears in some corporeal form. It's as if they have not fully adapted to not having bodies. This could mean they are relatively new to being non-corporeal existence. This could explain their (from our point of view) immature actions.

[@kaitlyn__L]

Especially since they can be trapped in those bodies, and don’t even realise right away until they try to accomplish a feat. Which suggests full embodiment of the chosen form, not mere puppetry.

[@danbreeden5481]

And recently a solution to the Fermi paradox suggest that aliens may have created the laws of physics

[@josephthomasjr.6551]

Thank you Orange River! That was superb! I am endlessly amazed by your overall knowledge of The Star Trek Universe. I've been a fan of the original series since about 1968. But YOUR expertise of the entire franchise easily eclipses mine. Keep up the good work!

[@alexandertheprotogen6180]

The Organians are similar to the Ancients of Stargate

[@tOGGLEwAFFLES]

I wonder if the end of the Greek Gods were because they almost became incorporials, but failed

[@MCP2012]

Please do a video examination of the Douwd. They seem, to me, anyway, to be as interesting and worthy of a video, as the Q, the Organians, the Metrons, Sargon's species (I forget their name), the being from 'Charlie X' (forgive me, I but I forget their name, too), and whatever species the 'Squire of Gothos' is. Plus, it was one of the great John Anderson's last roles. Please do a video the Douwd sometime soon... Best wishes always, and, as we say, live long & prosper...

[@RolandWolf]

A good overview of noncorporeal species in Star Trek, but what does clone Orange River feel about this subject... or is this clone Orange River?

[@mikeperkins3469]

I've always said if god existed he would be a non corporeal entity and we could not be created in his image. We have appendages to run and catch our prey, arms to catch it. It's likely evolution.

[@benbrown8258]

Are the Tkon non-corporeal? If not my choice then would be the metrons. Thanks for another fantastic episode. I love your work

[@JoducusKwak]

in my headcanon the Organians are even more powerful than the Q but they dont really show there power as they dont like to mess aroud with lower species and mostly only bother with them for antrophologic reasons or when they get really annoyed like when Federation and Klingons decide to fight on ther doorstep

[@reddyredwolf3931]

In Lower Decks Mariner casually stuffs a non-corporeal in a container. Extorts a fancy Tricorder out of it nearly killing it. Oh yes a crewman evolved to a higher state of being... And it hurts! He saw the universe on the back of a Koala as he ascended. Boimler almost died drowning and he saw the Koala. Makes you wonder what Kirk saw when he died saying.. Oh My@

[@andrewlicciardo7480]

Please make a Species 8472 episode 😎👍

[@Destan-jp5zu]

The only way I can understand telekinesis to be real is by manipulating the electromagnetic potential of our aura to interact with objects/others around us. It doesn’t seem to beyond the realm of possibility, especially considering you can actually rearrange the equations for gravity to reproduce Maxwells equations for electromagnetism. The electromagnetic potential of a region of space determines the nature of gravity in that given area, therefore if one was to amplify there Orick field to a greater potential they could have telekinesis/telekinetic’s.

[@vicfontaine5130]

Great video, what would the Cytherians be classified as

[@DavidRLentz]

John Abbot as Aylborne (TOS, "Errand of Mercy") at the front

[@stephenrobinson8244]

Is poop a non caporal hive life form? I'm sorry that was my baby brother.

[@OrangeRiver]

Lol

[@stormont666]

Stephen Kings Fog should have made an appearance for an episode, oh wait there isn’t any pay phones on the Enterprise

[@darthgormagander9643]

Non-corporials are my favourites so far because of the limitations of FX back in the day. But I hope to see other out-of-this-world creatures like the Gormagander, Trance Worms or theTardigrades more often, now that we have the technology to create them. No more forehead aliens of the week...

[@amberscion1513]

The FX crew of old did so very much with so very little. It was truly an art form, and some were masters far ahead of their time who made TV and movies so much more magical than they would have been otherwise.

[@charlestaylor253]

Alex Klutzman's a "tardigrade", all right. So is Jar Jar Apebrains...🤬🤬🤬

[@jpaw1965]

Medusans. Glad they’re back.

[@alakani]

Some hypothetical models show that nucleic acids could generate weak radio waves by spinning free electrons around closed loops. Combine enough of those and you could make a phased array antenna capable of RF beamforming. We definitely know migratory species like sea turtles and birds use magnetoception for geolocation. Combine these things and you could do “telepathy” the same way fMRI machines can. Telekinesis would be harder in real life. In Star Trek, just say the 5th force is subspace :P

[@invisiblejaguar1]

Fascinating to imagine how our far descendants could become something like one of these noncorporeal beings. Hard to imagine, as I'm sure it would have been for australopithecine.

[@rxonmymind8362]

I'm groping in the dark here but maybe someone can help my non scientific brain out. Speaking of being technologically advanced is it possible through the use of quantum physics or quantum dots or something similar they can become non corporeal beings? They've mastered everything relating to quantum physics from baking a cake on a quantum level in grade school to becoming pure energy. I guess what I'm asking is quantumness what leads to becoming pure energy? Take teleportation. We could if we had the power and computing power. But even if we did your original self had to be destroyed. Take that to a quantum level of understanding whether it's injected into your bloodstream or on a wrist band. Would that make you a being of oure energy? Sorry for the long post.

[@christianeaster2776]

Non-corporeal beings would be a good explanation of the strange balls of light that appear as UFOS. They often zip around at impossible speeds and change directions such that corporeal beings would be smashed to jelly.

[@christianeaster2776]

The lights of Zatar are kind of contradictory. They can live as non-corporeals, but seek out a biological body to live out their lives.

[@DeconvertedMan]

The "soul" in trek being a separate thing that can be transferred, kept in some vessel, and so on might hint at the answer - you said that the force would have to be thousands of times weaker then gravity itself - so perhaps it is the "soul" that is the weak force that is used by more advanced races after understanding how to harness it for power. However some did it in a way that they still require power - food basically - like the things in Time's Arrow. They are not quite at the level of noncorporeal - but seem to be on the path towards that if left unchecked. So when Q says that humans could be like the Q or perhaps, even stronger then the Q - he might be hinting at a path humans are on - using the Vulcans ability to harness the soul, the knowledge that Sisko has from interacting with the Prophets, the knowledge of the Borg - and all the other species that humans have encountered - at some point someone (or several people) put all this together to enter the next phase of evolution for humanity as a whole - stepping towards what Q is like, but retaining the best qualities of humanity - will lead to something greater still.

[@jimrobinson5628]

Anyone interested in non corporeal history should read the Q trilogy that explains trelane was a young Q and that god the gorgon the force at the galaxies edge that possessed mitchell and the one from day of the dove were all once Qs partners in crime until they caused the trouble that caused several of the ancient races to go extinct and had to be dealt with by the rest of the continuum.

[@Vidiocity92]

In the comic "The Q Conflict" Q, Organians, Metrons, and Trelane have a contest to see if they're worthy of being on the Q's level, and once the Prophets get involved they just destroy all reality. Always interesting how godlike species interact.

[@Vidiocity92]

@@subraxas Harry Mudd is okay, though. ... Apart from when he created a timeloop to get out of marriage, that was odd.

[@megasoid]

Interesting how today's SF movies and films almost never deal with non-corporeal life. Always a problem which can be solved with a computer which is lazy storytelling. Also no mention of the Medusan Ambassador Kollos from "Is There In Truth No Beauty" from the original series. Sargon from "Return to Tomorrow" was also left out. Both of these races were basically benevolent in nature.

[@jonathanaarhus224]

You forgot to mention my favorite, THE DAL'ROK.