These Vermont Buffs Are Amazing!

[@BoxdHound]

You've got to imagine they were trying to force the ship to move up, which is what you've been asking for gameplay-wise. There needs to be some consistency in spotting distance by ship size/type, though - matching CAs is absurd.

[@Choukai_Chan]

True. Vermont is HUGE. Not Kurfürst levels, but way bigger then sth. like Yamato or Montana and now she outspotts sth. as "small" (in comparison) as a Hindenburg, Henri or Venezia? It litteraly got the same concealment as a Schlieffen, which is way smaller. At the same time sth. huge like Incomparable or Conquerer/Thunderer comes around with even better concealment as her or some cruisers... I really dont know what they are smoking.

[@DotDotDotDashDashDashDotDotDot]

Just got Vermont today and I got spotted by CV and realised that I was the one leading the flank instead of our DD and got focused by 2 dds, 4 battleships and a Satsuma, thanks to the propulsion buff I dodged all of there shots which landed just in front of Vermont, I instantly turned around cause I'm not pushing against their 2 of their DDs and my DD went somewhere else, we managed to win, got dreadnought and dealt 180k that round, this ship is definitely better as a mid ranged ship than sniper.

[@kingmuddy5898]

Do you think 180k is good? Genuinely asking, I wanna know if my score is good or average. I haven't gotten 180k, so I'm wondering if that should be a score I should be getting or not

[@Alecmoseby]

@@kingmuddy5898 180k is pretty good. 90k-100k is average

[@wack6692]

I really can’t imagine if deadeye was still in the game with vermont having 12kms of concealment

[@Hydra360ci]

...come camo change. it basically will be.

[@atpyro7920]

Vermont went from one of my least favorite battleships to one of my favorites just with the buffs, it’s hilarious. And the scenario where it shines the most is clan wars. This thing just bullies Condes that get too uppity and smashes most other cruisers with pretty much minimal effort. It can even outduel Preussens and Ohios if you play it properly. It’s still balanced by being gigantic and fairly slow without Brisk active, and the turrets turning slower than a train, so it’s balanced in my books. An insane heal only means so much when faced with sheer DPM. Also, I support faster cooldown heals on the German and Italian BB lines. Maybe the Yamato line. Probably not on the French and most definitely not on the Soviet lines. And the Conqueror heal can stay with it’s current cooldown, it would be horribly broken with a faster cooldown.

[@robinekhoodekful]

Well… Kremlin, and Ohio are still far more superior in clan battles. The Vermont reload makes you impossible to punish Broadside ships, and let’s them take dangerous positions. Moreover it takes extreme amount of pens, bc of its freeboard, which makes it extremely easy to focus. I’m not saying that it can’t punish Condes, bc it surely can - but only the ones that push into you - in higher leagues you are gonna struggle to hit kiting Condes that know what to do.

[@micklane7306]

@@robinekhoodekful nah Vermont almost completely outshines Ohio in CB. 12 second longer reload really doesn't matter if your not shooting every second which is what happens in CB. On top of that 4 more guns means each time you do fire your more likely to hit.

[@NotTheRookie]

I got the Kansas back when the early access event happened, sold it, rebought it for snowflake events, now I'm actually playing it. In co-op, but still. I stuck prop mod on her, 0 to 20 knots in 12 seconds. Utterly hilarious.

[@MiiFone1]

Think where they were going with the concealment was about being able to go dark and disengage rather than anything to do with shell velocity.

[@devonellis2520]

Yeah, first time I took this ship out after the buff, I was stalked by a sub player who knew what he was doing. Dude was visible for 3 seconds and took 70 percent of my health with a full Salvo of tops from about 3 km. Turned away and tried to run, only to die about 70 seconds later when he did it again.

[@sameerkharade7750]

The concealment on Incomparable is indeed broken, but those guns aren't really consistent based on my experience of 3 weeks with that ship. Concealment on Vermont though is too much given that it is American AP that have higher per shell citadel damage higher than that of Yamato and the fact that American BBs can mount the dispersion mod in the last slot. Also, battleships should have a 10 seconds base cooldown time for priority sector. 15 seconds cooldown time is too comfortable for a CV to do double runs on a single BB.

[@robo2729]

I disagree. This ship is food for dd and subs even more so than others bc it sucks at turning. Sure the engine power was buffed but it is still waaaay too slow. At least now you are less likely to get spotted and burned down in the first few mins of the match...even with buffs this ship is too painful for me to play. Too slow, reload is too long, no secondaries and it is a turtle. Accurate guns do nothing to address those many issues...

[@aproudbaguette3605]

00:33 SATISFACTION !

[@KillBones]

Cancer cured

[@hiddentruth1982]

that was the problem with the monty. you couldn't put out enough damage to make up for the spam coming in and the heal was like a minute. this was pre captain rework.

[@thegreatdodo5092]

The increase in DCP demanding effects, DPM and possible fires per minute on your ship alone, should've forced WG to half the cooldown on DCP a long time ago. If they'd do that, this would dremandously increase survivability of BBs - maybe even push it down to 33% of the current cooldown for some ships. Even nicer: Introduce a new captain skill, that brings down the DCP cooldown, so your brawlers have a very unique captain skill (which everyone would pick no matter what I guess :D).

[@jaywerner8415]

Yeah they really need to bring down the Cooldown of Damage Control Parties, Their are skills that make it last longer but thats about it. (24 seconds on US bbs add the DCP mod and thats almost 30 secs) I think thats why they came up with the limited DCP for some ship lines. Still once your 10, 15, 20 second DC ends it goes on cooldown for what over a minute? it really should be say 50-40 seconds or so at this point, the limited DCP cooldown in like 10, 20, 30 seconds i think?

[@eragonrank5303]

I think that I should match the duration of like a standard Fire/Flood perhaps? So people can’t just nilly willy DCP single fires over and over without punishment.

[@jaywerner8415]

@@eragonrank5303 I think thats 50-60 seconds. Yeah that would be a good start. Maybe on the "close range" BBs its a quicker.

[@thegreatdodo5092]

@@eragonrank5303 thats a very good point. But then again, you could limit DCPs to like ~10 charges or so? This would make it a bit more "tactical" as well - like you know... the thinking mans action game :D

[@IntelCorei-KProcessor-go2to]

when the Vermont changes were announced I knew you'd cover it ASAP

[@AllAhabNoMoby]

Ships like Vermont are why I play Hindenburg with range mod. Nothing in this video has caused me to change that. 😄

[@taiho5233]

I had a a friend in a Georgia fail to kill a Minnesota in brawl just because of the heal, it was really commical listening to the story haha

[@Hydra360ci]

Georgia is as tanky as a Brit BB...so.

[@Ksr3740]

1:05 the speed of those torps scared me for a sec then I realised the footage was on fast forward

[@nicolamontorsi7021]

I think the "low concealment trend" of the recently released battleships is useful to make people more aware of the importance of a good dd player in you team. For the mechanic of fires, that extend the surface concealment of ships by +2km, i think its way too easy to farm a 14km bb at TX by yourself, in a cruisers or dd. This change SHOULD lead to more team-play and spotting of good dd players (and not solo farming only).

[@paddington1670]

sometimes spotting is literally the only thing a DD needs to do. Oldschool IJN DD mentality, not always worth chastising, sometimes doing nothing is all ya need to do

[@eragonrank5303]

As much as I like encouraging a DD to return to spotting and shift the focus more toward Torp DDs instead of the Gunboat fiesta nowadays. I think that it may lead to a bit more blowouts? If a DD on your flank just dies like a potato early on, that’s it for your entire flank.

[@ibnu9969]

Raising awareness of the importance of good DDs doesnt always translate to the increase of average DD players IQ. One thing for sure, this stupid fat American island line was never popular. So just like a good game dev always does, WG decided to buff them to borderline OP so ppl can grind them en masse and WG can butcher in with nerf hammer in the future. I've played over 200 games for past 2 weeks and I can see significant increase of Kansas and Minnesota in random battles.

[@brengland13]

Counter point to the Vermont matching Hindenburg concealment argument, Hindenburg shouldn't have 12.6km conceal in modern WoWs, it needs to be buffed.

[@luke_3_113]

Nice summary of the updates, thanks.

[@hydromaestro1298]

awesome video again I'm happy there is a propper broad side punisher again, I don't know if some things changed recently but I'm not getting any more good damage out of my iowa with ap? like it happens on rare occasions but not too long ago someone 16 km away gives too much angle and 6x out of 10 you were gonna slap.. now maybe in 3 games, I get 2 slaps. I don't know if it's just me but I really felt like boom ....wtf the guns feeling different

[@midnightgaming7295]

I think the new heal is great. On german BBs it should be like 55s, on japenese 65s base. This new concealment is too strong, should probably be around 13.2-13.5 km. Thats also very good and CAs dont die instantly when they spot a vermont, they have some reaction Time.

[@LionMagnus8]

Would you say that Vermont is better t10 to go for than Montana now?

[@nickrael5693]

2:34 has happened to me so many times in this trash game especially if my team is losing, their could be a full broadside ship 8km away I fire my whole Salvo either me shells miss or I get nothing but over pens, they fire back and completely destroy me. I honestly think they have it set up that way with RNG just to make the game end quicker or you quit. That's why I hate RNG in video games.

[@cluberti]

Username checks out LOL. Great vid, love the one-sided conversations you have with us, but it was funny watching Vermont fails on a channel called "Potato Quality" :)

[@erlienfrommars]

That this ship is stealthier than a Montana is absurd, perhaps it's time for Montana to get better buffs because it's really powercrept by every T10 BBs that came with questionable gimmicks.

[@josephhuggins5394]

for the love of god give the GK this heal, its been powercreeped to hell and it used to be a monster. gk was my first t10 batleship.

[@MrEDK1985]

How does the new Vermont stack up against the Montana?

[@manofchaitea6904]

USS Vermont: I no longer make cheddar, I now make swiss cheese.

[@eragonrank5303]

I can’t help but get the feeling that the Vermont changes are there to prepare for a US SuperBB.

[@Seluecus1]

That's kind of what i'm leaning towards as well. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they replaced the VT at T10 and just moved her up into Super Ship status.

[@Nitrecz]

​@@Seluecus1I'm pretty sure the monty is either a little bit better/the same Soo I'm not sure

[@rjcolombe]

BB supreme concealment? Thunderer has been playing that fiddle for many moons now.

[@jaywerner8415]

The buffs where certainly grate (not that iv gotten to the ship yet) But yeah they probably went a little overboard. the Heal buffs (not only does it cool down faster but you can heal i think 30% of your citdel damage) and acceleration changes are the best parts of the update. The cooldown of Damage Repair and Damage Control on BBs really should be SLASHED considerable at this point, with all the Rapid fire, long range, he/sap spam that is in the game now. 40 to 30 second cooldowns would be nice for heals, and say 45 seconds for DC.

[@Tikman6969]

Mans violated that Midway

[@scatter3244]

I think a secondary build Vermont would be stupid but still fun, maybe a video or review on that could do well and be very interesting

[@Strothy2]

We've brought VM into CBs after the buffs... 2 conde 2 napoli 2 smalland... and the VM... man you just park it on a flank and say no to everything, our BB players regularly deletes Moskvas and other cruisers in the first 3 min. After you went in with it you call for it to turn around and kite... and it fucking works somehow...

[@TheDinons]

I finily get me Ohio,and even i watch your video about ship how to play ,I LIKE IT,guns are a bit all over the place but dam he can take dmg ,i think that is my favorite ship,just need to figure it out those shells kind of slow (800m/s )i could be wrong,but when they hit ,,,anw gj keep it coming good video

[@AdamWieczorek-Swain]

If Marco Polo had such heal, I would play her non stop

[@combatmuffin3192]

Would you say the vermont is better than the ohio or thunderer. Where would you put the vermont among other battleships?

[@historyotaku]

You actually don't want to take Propulsion Mod on Vermont since right now it is bugged. You get improved acceleration but you loose the retention of speed in a turn making it overall less agile.

[@nothing_is_not_taken]

This buff is for July 4th only. It is some sort of colonial holiday in US. They will sell Gold Eagle perma camos for it and nerf it later.

[@chrisrowland1514]

The only buff it needed was more speed

[@Hydra360ci]

American BB players are used to the floaty shells, they don't factor in. idk... I just don't see 2 knots is worth the 2 commander points for brisk. Especially being that you have to be going in a straight line to actually get to those extra knots

[@kaptkrunchfpv]

Where can i get the encyclopedia of WOW nomenclature? Almost like a different language.

[@hydex2885]

I'm sorry potato, but that detonation clip was probably one of the funniest things i've seen all day.

[@wilhelmt.muller170]

I do think Neptune and Minotaur need a buff tho... not giving it HE, but a 19mm plating like Edinburgh.

[@kulaidman6730]

I THOUGHT THAT WAS YOU IN THE FIRST GAME!!! I was the sejong in front of you!

[@brianbalcer]

I'm one of the few who preferred Vermont over Montana before the buffs and it's even better now. I know it's not all around better but I have almost always done better in it.

[@gothia6515]

The buffs are fine. But with the concealment they went a bit over the top imo. Its still one of the biggest BBs in the game after all.

[@wheel6243]

I played a Vermont game, recently, post-buff and it was much less frustrating. dev struck a Montana for 50k.

[@BruderRaziel]

So, uh... can someone maybe enlighten me how these buffs are justified? Maybe its just me, but Vermont consistently performed excellently for me in terms of winrate, damage and survivalrate. I always thought its weaknesses are necessary to keep it in check, but now it suddenly has almost conqueror concealment? Better accelleration on top and I have to ask: Why? Not that I am complaining, the changes to pen and flight time seem utterly insignificant to me and I will gladly use the new concealment to surprise my fellow cruisy-bois even better. But why tho? Edit: Just remembered, they even buffed the heal by a ton, so lets add that to my confusion.

[@micklane7306]

Like PQ said it was completely relegated to long range fights bc it's massive hull and large concealment meant being any closer than 14km virtually meant death by HE spam. On top of that if for any reason your team lost the side you were on there was no way in hell you'd get away from pushing ships. These buffs should help it be able to play closer and give it a chance to run or hold back a push for a while. It's guns were always great but when every other part is bad it's not worth playing over a Yamato or even Montana.

[@Choukai_Chan]

​​​@@micklane7306 I mean its just as PQ pointed out. Every buff besides that one was needed for her to keep up. The concealment buff just pushes it over the edge for me as a cruiser main. Overmatch is already everywhere and makes some ships really hard to play these days. Now seeing another BB pop up in front of you at the SAME time you get spotted and remove 30k through your angled bow and casemate just isn't fair at all. Funny is that at the same time, things like the Poorfürst exist. She really wants to brawl, but even tho she is as huge as Vermont, she got almost the same detection from AIR as Vermont gets from sea ... oh and she can't hit more then 5 shells from even 4km to its target while not getting any meaningfull overmatch at all. Yes, Schlieffen got good concealment, but she got only 8 guns that have the same problem as the ones found on Kurfürst. She still is a very strong BB when played correctly. Now explain me why a Ship like Vermont, that got the strongest broadside in THE GAME and exellent accuracy, gets the same concealment... like wtf. Schlieffen needs to be this close to actually hit sth. and get her secondaries in the fight, she sucks at long range. Vermont does NOT. Frustrating how inbalanced some things are.

[@micklane7306]

@@Choukai_Chan yeah but as others said even with the other buffs Vermont will only play long range if it's got too big of a detect. This is wargaming way of telling players to play closer.

[@infeedel7706]

Thank you PQ

[@Ensign_Cthulhu]

One thing that has to be borne in mind is that these changes weren't made in a vacuum; they pulled a lot of data out of Connecticut test driving (which I suspect you probably did some of and can't talk about). Putting rudder shift in slot four looks interesting, but don't you miss the damage control party mod there? Or are you making the call that the damage you can't fix as quickly isn't as important as the damage you're more easily able to avoid?

[@Vyviel]

Fast shells and poor concealment will just make them sit at the back and snipe like they did in the past so I guess thats why they did it to try force it to push in closer and brawl.

[@BasJon]

So if you had too have only one which would you keep Vermont, or Ohio ?

[@benhull9296]

Vermont got better conceal than my dpm DM

[@g.leefinley7545]

Overpen straight through the citadel. Overpen. Overpen. Overpen. Welcome to WGing balancing.

[@mr.eggplant866]

Moves like this recent buff keep players active. Control.

[@ChraitusIV]

So Vermont has the same concelmant as Hindenburg or Venezia... isnt the concelmant supposed to be based upon the highest part of the ship? I mean I love that the Vermont got some buffs, she really needed them. But as a Cruiser player you have to ask yourself. With things like Imcompareable, Thunderer and now Vermont sailing around I honestly feel like we need a complete concealment overhaul. All in all I am glad she got buffed, as mentioned, she needed those buffs, but my god can we stop giving BBs CA level of concealment.

[@taiho5233]

iv started joking with my clanmates that vermont is the best destroyer. yesterday i caught a broadside moskva that assumed he got scouted by a DD or something. he did not like 12 shells fired at 13km

[@Swarm509]

Don't expect any consistency in this game anymore, there are so many ships and gimmicks that don't make sense for the but were added to make them unique, or are the result of years of power creep, or attempts to "balance" things with no regard to other ships. I agree they do need a full overhaul, and I don't mind making ships easier to conceal if that will cause more pushing/dynamic play, but right now things are all over the place. I have the Atlantico and the 11.5km detect is super nice for getting into position and actually moving up, but against other ships (especially the oldest ships in the game with huge detection) it feels almost broken.

[@ChraitusIV]

@@Swarm509 I mean granted, lets say we go nuts and all tier X BBs across the board get down to, let's say 13 km conceal. I am all in for that, would give me a reason to finally play GK of Preussen again. But if we do that we need to also make sure there is a min and a max, max being 13, let's say min is 12km conceal for BBs. And for Cruiser it is 11 to 10km. Get rid of the retarded 12km radar. IN theory we had a lower conceal and people would be interested in pushing again. Of course there need to be made exceptions, we can't just put any ship into that kind of corset. Imagine a Stalingrad with 11km conceal. But I feel like we need a baseline at first, something to anchor onto before we start fiddling around with exceptions. Yet those are just dreams and thoughts of someone who prefers balance over the next big 'Lol OP gonna smash Ship'. For now we have to settle with the fact that some ships are blessed and others not.

[@kevinthechuker1721]

I think it sucks that they changed playstyle of the Vermont because of the shell characteristics changes. Always thought it was meant to be a sniper, now it’s more of a mid ranged ship

[@zekeurielebueza2089]

Nahhh bro and sorry for the 1yr reply it's based on how you play the ship and yes I am a sniper in using Battleships and it's common for me that really depends on how good you're at in sniping and yes I have been used on how the Shells land that slow

[@paulbuilder2116]

i am now working towords Vermont now

[@meatpiman224]

Vermont accelerates with rudder at full lock, it's crazy nimble.

[@hornet4862]

what modss do you use?

[@josephineringen7651]

I think it’s doing well right now. Finally has some real ups to all of its downsides.

[@Peter-bakker]

I think you got realy much help from RNG because for me its not doing so well and a ot of my shot swarfing all over the place

[@AnthonyBowman]

The big dumb cow that is, or I should say was, the Vermont is still one of my two fave BBs, along with Jean Bart.

[@wanyinchu8321]

Just look at this honk of fat when the Yamato gets 14.3 km detection...

[@afloofykiwi5027]

I don't know what it is. But I have just got the Vermont and cant seem to hit jack. Everyone either dodges before the rounds hit or every round just splashes next to them. No idea what I am doing wrong but this BB is starting to get to me. All the hype for nothing.

[@Borzoi-appreciator]

"Incremental changes" btw...

[@jimk8592]

Just the dev strike CV shot deserves a +1 :)

[@IceSki117]

Did I hear that right, Vermont now has stealth in line with Montana? How the hell does a ship as massive as Vermont get better concealment than Montana?

[@DS-uf4qw]

Right, fuck forbid a battleship gets buffed once in a millennia, and every donkey that's used to farming them without recourse jumps out of their chair and screams "this is just too much! I want to farm you with impunity, just like I can farm the other 150+ BBs. Having to play a bit more carful around this one battleship, unacceptableeeeeeeeee!". DesMemes fires at you, from open water, and it's "unfair" he gets slapped because you will go dark. Do you.....listen to yourself? A cruiser, from o p e n w a t e r, mindlessly starts firing on a BB expecting no punishment, and that is unfair. 11/10. Get the fuck out of here, maybe play some submarines to make it more fair, or are those a bit underpowered against Vermont now?

[@BasJon]

Citadel damage a little better ? I thought it was buffed too 50% thats a lot better.

[@IIISentorIII]

Do you think the concealment is just a little bit too much? ...........

[@dextercochran4916]

Beingable to dodge doesn't make a ship tanky.

[@venuslaw5663]

PQ, here is sometimes that I have to disagree with you. You complained about CV spotting and the surface detection scales along with air detection. And with the use of using ASW planes to extract the fighter plane out to not spot you and your flank as often. It helps a lot, think in that way. Yes, it might be too annoying for cruiser player. But at the end of the day, you are still a 40s reloading BB with fat ass hitbox. I am saying it as a Colbert main player in ASIA where everyone kites at 20km, so it's not really that big of a deal for concealments being buffed

[@geekonomist]

MB traverse ?

[@brattrw54]

Why play this when you have a Montanna or Lousianna? My tier VII Nagato is faster (25 knots), with a better rudder shift time (13.7) with 410s (29 sec reload). I sometimes struggle with accuracy (not sure if it is old eyes or RNG just hates my guts), so this line can be very unforgiving for me. As I get better with the game, I may revisit them. I love my American BBs, but I stopped playing them because speed (knots and RPM) kills, and they just don't have either. Maybe she is a solid option for team play, but otherwise, she is just a slip queen for me. =(

[@RedLipClassicKara]

this should've just been titled "feeding"

[@R4ZORLIGHT]

Well, they could have buffed the Colorado as well...

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

Whilst I think the improved heal cooldown is something a lot of battleships need these days with the amount of fire spam going around, the buffs to what it heals are just ridiculous: remember the standard amount of healable citadel/torp damage is 10%, and suddenly Vermont gets the ability to recover so much better than literally anything else.

[@micklane7306]

Isn't it the same amount as conqueror?

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

@@micklane7306 Whilst Conqueror superheal can repair 75% of normal pen damage, it can only heal 10% of citadel damage. It's a balancing factor as the ship was simply too strong without it.

[@Seluecus1]

PQ, maybe their aim is to have the VT match all the other OP ships in the game? So far, the only US ship that can really deal with any of the ridiculously powerful ships was the Des Moines, with the VT Buff, it also can now keep up with those ships as well. Take my opinion as you will, but it makes sense when you think of ships like the Incomparable. Now that i'm thinking about it, what are the odds that they're prepping the VT to be a T11 ship and replacing it at T10?

[@timknight68]

Me: * ses new Vermont changes. salivates. buys dubs to copy PQ's build. heads out to win harder. hurls salty curses at sherman and ragnar some more... oh, and the CV that must not be named. yeah, that one. *

[@slaperofallfish]

Me fighting a British ship: we will beat you again 1776 style!

[@barryfarmer7317]

I think its fine the way it is. it takes damage like a sponge so, give an take.

[@motaz1975]

ship much better but still trash at anything under 15 km. smart man taking the rudder shift. i did that too after some trial and error.

[@salihkayan4711]

What's the point of playing a Montana anymore?

[@VVV-DamoP21]

Wrong platform but I can't wait until the Vermont comes to console. (Yes I know, no, I don't care lol I've reached X on PC but on console, it just feels... easier. It doesn't look as good though.)

[@therealoxcooper4616]

still farming food for thunderer players

[@venomous2die4]

No, not buffed to much. Right where it should be. Not big on the title photo. Otherwise, love the content.

[@fiesty161]

By your scores, it is not overpowered. What I get from what you say is you don't want to go up against it.

[@mr.skully8787]

Kinda sad that the AP pen is worse at longer range

[@hatosan5565]

it still have more pen than montana fire at long range by 30mm

[@Taooflu]

The concealment is just stupid, as if there’s zero calculation being done. US BBs that are smaller have higher concealment ? How does that make sense WG!

[@ibnu9969]

One thing for sure, this stupid fat American island line was never popular. So just like a good game dev always does, WG decided to buff them to borderline OP so ppl can grind them en masse and WG can butcher in with nerf hammer in the future. I've played over 200 games for past 2 weeks and I can see significant increase of Kansas and Minnesota in random battles. Must be from ppl starting to grind up this line

[@antoniohagopian213]

Looks weaker to me tbh, it never was that accurate for me (minnesota was a laser for sone reason) and the guns were always the selling point for me, now it is even worse against cruisers, specially italian cruisers that handle like destroyers while nuking that ship from all angles with 15k salvos. I absolutely hate this change.

[@mustclime5311]

slow reload, slow ship = to boring to play.....sold the whole line.

[@TheAngriestGamer.]

i just wish they would buff the PR. its too nerfed... Im OK with having a WAY worse cammo, Larger turning circle, and Way worse dispersion on my guns. but PLEASE FFS give me the same reload speed, gun range and rudder shift time as the Alaska.. they are the same guns and running gear FFS PLEASE WG.. PR is SOOO BAD. its only fun/good if ur enemy hands you dumb kills cuz your playing potatos. the PR has WAY too many down sides and 3 of them dont make ANY sense at all.

[@thomasbecker391]

this vermont acceleration buff is complete unrealistic and is weird..... it would have been better 2 knots more