Review of Key Features: Kansas, Minnesota, and Vermont

[@WorldofWarshipsOfficialChannel]

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[@John_McCarthy1]

The new US battleships are very disappointing to me for more than one reason. The US Battleship line split is just that, a split instead of a 2nd tech tree branch. This leaves out at least 3-4 real ships that could've been in the branch, but they aren't. Despite there being many US BB designs to pull from for a line, both real steel and proposed (I remember people mentioning back in Alpha/Beta there was enough US BBs for 3 full lines, I guess that fact has been dropped and/or ignored), the tier VIII Kansas and the tier IX Minnesota are both based off the same design, the 1920s South Dakota class, which for some reason neither use the name South Dakota despite the name not existing in game yet. Among the other historical inaccuracies for the Tier VIII and IX, the Tier X Vermont which is somewhat based off Tillman I is kit-bashed past the point of making any reasonable sense. The tier VII Florida has French style quads (which are really just two doubles in the same turret) instead of KGV style 4-gun turrets without any precedent for the US to use the French style quads. This game also once again misses the opportunity to give US ships a Great White Fleet premium camo. This line is is almost if not more poorly handled than the RN CAs were. Overall with how half baked this line split is I'd honestly rather wait another year to get a real and well done 2nd US BB line. In respect to the video, I find it weird that the video talks about Senator Tillman, and Maximum battleships so much when only Vermont is a kit-bashed "inspired by" version of Tillman I, whereas Kansas and Minnesota are both based off the South Dakota 1920s with the wrong guns.

[@John_McCarthy1]

on a more light hearted and funny note, at 0:13 the narrator says "US Senator Benjin Tillman" instead of Benjamin Tillman

[@Poctyk]

1:17 "improved" literally has worse penetration. Nice improvement, WG. Guess just like ultrathin spread on torps is a nerf

[@TwisterTLT1]

except Vermont which apparently climbs above most 18" guns beyond a certain range.

[@DonovanPotatoBowl]

@@TwisterTLT1 not worth the trouble. You give up so much just to get guns that reload every 40 seconds. While your ship is always slow and heavily reliant on your team to be useful.

[@sjstewart9397]

@@DonovanPotatoBowl The Vermont is fine tho....

[@Over_Hard]

@@DonovanPotatoBowl é só saber se posicionar bem

[@redzed9405]

Key Feature: Food for HE spammers

[@volknetai.3690]

Just in enemy's sight and you ship will be fill with holes

[@RichardHardslab]

What isn’t food for HE spammers though?

[@johntaylor4975]

@@RichardHardslab You do have a point

[@ZezkuGC]

Smolensk will have a field day here

[@redzed9405]

@@RichardHardslab the thing with this ship is that it is the slowest bb in tier 10 so HE spammers can farm it longer and with a gigantic superstructure, you can't really miss it.

[@lappenkind8475]

So who are you trying to impress here?

[@dervvy]

HE spammers, so much so that they go and flock the ship even during battle.

[@therailfanman2078]

So, who are YOU trying to impress?

[@toenailmuncher0772]

Me (I don't play WOWSL)

[@gabrieltomy220]

Imagine releasing a line of ships that is already outclass by other ships that do the same but better and dont strugle so much against their main counter.. HE spamers

[@zeferinoresendiz1698]

But if your lucky then they are the food the entire time

[@magunn]

Defensive AA Fire... you still don't get it, do you? Do you guys even play your own game? Or listen to a feedback that players gave you? :P

[@jtbrown51]

Seems like the only thing they listen to is the sound of the virtual cash register ringing, these days.

[@rabadimi]

"Modest speed characteristics" translates to "turtles overtake it.

[@gittyupalice96]

At least in world of tanks the T28 doom turtle is also a stealth turtle. But these turtles are wearing gold lipstick and neon signs.

[@RandomlySelectedUserName]

these battleships were added in game to nerf battleship type lol

[@jtbrown51]

As if they needed another nerf

[@play030]

Proof?

[@airglide2]

Hold up. Kansas and Minnesota are South Dakota (1920) designs, not Tillman. Tillman’s design is the Vermont.

[@marty2129]

and all three seem to have been sunken in a paralel universe's 1941 Pearl Harbor attack, then got successfull salvaged, repaired and rebuilt alongside West Virginia, California, and few other ships, and sent back to active duty between 1943 and 1945, no less :D

[@terulien]

The Vermont Kansas and Minnesota were Connecticut class built between 1903 and 1907. They were pre-dreadnoughts. The 1920's South Dakota class were 6 ships laid down in 1920 but were never built because of Treaty restrictions. There was a South Dakota Class around 1940 which were "fast battleships" and consisted of the S. Dakota, Massachusetts, Indiana and Alabama.

[@andrewlee8243]

On a side note, I wonder why they chose the name Kansas and not South Dakota/South Dakota (1920) or Indiana. Probably for insurance in case they ever add the rest of the actual South Dakotas in the game? But in this case I don't know how they would differentiate them from Alabama and Mass.

[@airglide2]

@@andrewlee8243 Because naming ships after American states sells. Mucho bucks. And it’s nice to feel included even though you never existed.

[@Predator42ID]

@@airglide2 Actually that is how the US Battleships were named. Every class every ship was named after a state. Submarines have since taken over that tradition.

[@DaManBearPig]

*How to play them* You don’t. You don’t play them.

[@ricdale7813]

I play the Kansas to make easy coin. I got mine by grinding and getting it as a reward. I like its ability too swap commanders with no penalty. Ive got 400,000xp on her so it should allow me too buy the next tier up available. The Kansas is a slow bitch but if you follow a battle ship or two its easy cleanup many times. Thing takes almost 3 minutes too make a 180 though and the 40 second reload time is absurd.

[@Starfleet8555]

Nah the way how play them is just sink.. that simple you want a quick way to get to Davy Jones? Look no further these guys are guaranteed death sentences.

[@mr.andrew9171]

“In order to win in the Vermont line, you must never play them” -Sun Tzu, The Art of War

[@rudrakshmishra2761]

can't be more true i literally love carolina for the fact that she 27 kts and these people want me to go back to 23kts not happening

[@play030]

No. WOWS players are some cry babies.

[@krostouin]

The line is actually good. Sorry :)

[@sauserbl7494]

“Relatively good maneuverability” yeah, it’s slower than a T4 battleship but it somehow has good maneuverability?

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

You have a point, but speed doesn't mean manoeuvrability.

[@WayJet]

they have good turning circle etc.

[@gameover_477]

What way jet said, in my first kansas game I was near death but was able to bait an Alabama into sailing right next to me while I pretended to be focused on another ship. Then when it was too late for him I spun around and rammed him.

[@rafaeldiazbrenes5477]

Because they are slow and they are not narrow they dont have to much lateral water resistance and thus can maneuver easily when compared to Bismarck or Georgia.

[@franciscodetonne4797]

Moving at high speed makes you turn worse. I think you have experienced this in life by riding a bike or driving a car. Also longer things turn worse. Example: container trucks vs 4-seat cars.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

"That's got to be the biggest citadel I've ever seen"

[@Death_Korps_Officer]

"So it would seem"

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

@@Death_Korps_Officer did you think I planned this out, or just made it up as I went along? ☠

[@SaiIor_Moon]

"That's no moon.....that's a citadel."

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

@@SaiIor_Moon you can't angle a circle

[@Death_Korps_Officer]

@@waverleyjournalise5757 *stares at you seriously*

[@CoffeeMug2828]

All Large cruisers and German CA: Thank you for the food!

[@Starfleet8555]

These newcomers were orginally worse, they had 32mm all over

[@aurelian3268]

what this line should have been: very strong armor with thick plating everywhere like the soviets, US improved heal as well as it being quick reloading (like Massachusetts) and the choice to mount hydro acoustic search in the same slot as defensive AA, a short duration engine boost (like Smaland) and 1.9 sigma on all of them and maybe 10 km secondaries. then you would have slow moving fortresses of doom that can take a fight against anything thrown against them while having the low speed and vulnerability to CVs as one of its primary weaknesses.

[@Poctyk]

translation: Broken AF.

[@soarinskies1105]

@@Poctyk lmao people who comment on these KZbin videos have like no idea of what an actually balanced ship looks like

[@aurelian3268]

@@Poctyk ok maybe not the kremlin armor

[@pancakes320]

If it already has Soviet level armor, there is no need for the US improved heal, just give it standard heal. Also, there's no reason to give it hydro, let that be the gimmick of German BBs, instead, just give it a DfAA. Also, increase speed to 25kt, Tillmann ships were designed to go at least 25kts so that would make the new ships more historically accurate, as much as that's worth. With 25kt speed, it'll still be on the slow side, but not incredibly so, so also get rid of the speed boost, no need for that. A brawling BB might work, since the new Oklahoma is kind of one, but then they'd just outclass the German BBs in almost every way so I'd personally keep the secondaries short ranged.

[@alexcamacho1842]

The one viable way I have found to play these things (Kansas at least) is to max out concealment & survivability skills, make the turret rotation as fast as possible (WD-40 that shit), and then do what you can to improve AA (this was written before I watched video)

[@stephencarbis8978]

now the German battleships won't get all the spam of HE haha

[@hifive0264]

So Buff for the Germans??

[@juicemeister1984]

HE spammers when seeing both GK and Vermont: "both, both is good"

[@Over_Hard]

na verdade o convés dos navios americanos é bem destinado a não incendiar muito

[@frankhilmar7847]

I got the Kansas during the event and was not impressed - too slow, too long reload and very inaccurate main guns with very poor penetration. I expect that I will have the Minnesota researched in the year 2050 as the Kansas will be used to knock off snowflakes. At that time though - the glorious Mongolian navy will have been introduced.

[@kikekike2558]

Lol. But truth

[@Defa.design]

LMAO

[@Starfleet8555]

Oh I had fun destroying Kansas players in the Amagi. Citadeled them left and right. Won brawls with them every time. And with little angling I sat there and watch their entire volleys bounce off of me. They were at 10 km away.

[@stavrosstamelos6890]

Does anyone know when snowflakes start?

[@petermikus2363]

Yhey actually buffed the penetration of the kansas tho not many people noticed

[@InfiniteSith136]

Way to "balance" these ships... If these ships were truly balanced, enemy cruisers and battleships alike wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in Hell. Edit: I just realized, these BBs would also completely chew through planes. But of course, the... Aherm, "gentleman" at wargaming would absolutely regret blaspheming the CV God's, wouldn't they? "CVs. The class of ships for people who absolutely can't be bothered." -jingles

[@ImaSpacePotato]

If you expect these ships to absolutely dominate 3 entire classes, I don't think you understand what "balance" means.

[@InfiniteSith136]

@@ImaSpacePotato Not what I'm saying. WG's idea of balance is "make is half-assed decent in one category, and completely ruin it in all the others."

[@InfiniteSith136]

@@ImaSpacePotato I think you have "balance" and "powercreep" backwards, Mac.

[@stavrosstamelos6890]

@@ImaSpacePotato cvs already dominate the other ships

[@corneliusschutte9053]

i am fairly new to the game and had to make the decision like many other players at Tier 8 either Super Dreadnoughts or the legendary fast battleships. i took the Dreadnoughts and must say they are absolutely amazing. Slow on speed yes, Slow on turns yes, High dispersion of shells yes BUT: The damage is just awesome! if you know how to shoot, you can take a ship out without him even seeing you. And i also love to see destroyers and cruisers turning around and trying to escape after they saw that their torpedoes didn't take me down haha! I'm very happy with the dreadnoughts and cant wait to take the Vermont to battle! Good luck players and keep battling!!

[@_NguyenGiaHuy-np3ho]

"There're IMPROVED version" by the way :)))

[@calebshonk5838]

Soviet super dreadnoughts: *get 27kt top speed and 33 sec reload on 16in guns. WG: "Is balanced." Also WG: *gives USA super dreadnoughts 23kt top speed, 40 sec reload on inferior 16in guns. WG: "Is balansed."

[@jakenator7427]

How to play: don’t

[@jtbrown51]

Seriously guys, BB's in this game are almost not viable to play anymore. We are at a point where AA guns are not effective against aircraft. HE burns down BB at ridiculous rates. They have virtually no defense against DDs. CAs, DDs and CVs are not rewarded for spotting damage for BB long range artillery. Now we are going to add subs in the game. There is zero incentive for a BB to go in close to brawl. Nor is there incentive for others to help spot targets for BBs at long range. Anyone who's a BB fan is going to have an awful play experience at this point. We need a BB re-work. Quickly.

[@waverleyjournalise5757]

As a BB main I agree, but we're kinda repeating history here. In real life it was the rise of the CV that killed our favourite ship class, and whilst there are (many!) problems with WG... it's not as if they're ignoring the way it played out.

[@AggrarFarmer]

3 Dinosaurs get farmed by DDs and HE ships xD

[@SDZ675]

TLDR: Do you like getting uptiered in your Colorado? If so, then there's an entire line for the same experience.

[@the_lost_navigator]

I stopped playing Kansas, and am not interested in the following-tiered designs. 23-knot (straight-line w/o maneuvering) top-speed, 40-second reload and a too-short ranged Secondary armament make for a hot 'paddling' against one's self - like a turtle crawling from malicious children (DD torps), pyros setting your shell on fire (CA HE), or simply getting caught in a gator's jaws (broadside to/from BB)... I do appreciate the free Oklahoma, though - fun at T5 - thank you.

[@kamleshsingh8071]

Then you should grind german battleship bcz they r powerfull

[@franciscodetonne4797]

Kansas is South Dakota 1920, so I have no idea why the narrator says "this project spawned 3 ships". Tillman even has anything to do with SoDak 1920?

[@Starfleet8555]

In fairness the South Dakota (1920) was inspired by the Tillmans. Actually the Pennsylvania class inherited some aspects of the Tillmans.

[@greatwarships2758]

If these were actually Tillmans, shouldn't they have 18 inch belt armor?

[@thunderpriest7418]

I would actually have been more excited if WOWs had more accurately modeled the Vermont after the Tillman IV-2. It would have a modest speed increase (25.2kts), retain roughly the same armor scheme, and have 15x457 guns in 5 triple turrets.

[@Starfleet8555]

@@thunderpriest7418 15 guns is a little much. I would prefer the tier 10 been Tillman 1 with the 18 inch belt. Just make it a secondary focused ship. The 16 inch guns can still have the same super heavy shells as Montana, but slightly longer reload and shorter range after all the guns are older.

[@NoNo-fy3kr]

@@Starfleet8555 Its all bullshit anyways. Whats the point when 99.99% of the Time your shots Over pen. Even On Close Range Broadside shots. That is.. If the rounds don't MISS. Take one into a Training room and See just how pathetic it really is. Even AT close Range.

[@MrMacavity]

Not really enjoying the new ships.... sorry guys. Every time I play them I feel like a XP piñata for the enemy team. They feel slow, weak, bad damage output, bad armor, slow reload. Not much fun at all.

[@Starfleet8555]

That was what I've said in alot of feedback to them. I guess they didn't really listen to 90% of it. They just looked at the feedback and threw it out of the window.

[@redzed9405]

MoDeSt speed

[@soviet_union1936]

3:44. Me with my musashi confidently. Ok let's go

[@Trooper_No.2102]

UNPOPULAR opinion incoming: There is one vessel these ships remind me of that LOVE sailing, my Arizona, I love her to bits and I really look forward to these since they are bigger meatier versions of her. I know that these things are gonna have their problems, but what tech line is perfect? None of course, but I love them and this game none the less, Happy hunting for whom ever read this!

[@mr.flipwagen]

0:14 Benjin Tillman? Never heard Benjamin pronounced like that...

[@riderstrano783]

Benjin Tillman Also there tf is our 24x16” battleship?!

[@aufa-tz4xm]

The fattelship

[@SaiIor_Moon]

Kansas, Minnesota, and Vermont, a strange split-line. The only winning move is not to play them.

[@iambeloved496]

Thank you! I didn't think yall would actually put the maximum battleship designs on here! My favorite battleships.

[@soarinskies1105]

While I do think that these ships could be good, one aspect of these ships that I feel could use a slight change to make them a little bit easier to play, would be to buff the Kansas’s penetration so that it falls within the characteristics of the new Colorado guns instead of the old Colorado guns, which is the penetration curve that Kansas follows, at the same time, I feel that the penetration curve of the Minnesota’s guns should be buffed so that at the very least it follows North Carolina’s penetration curve. Other than that Vermont looks like a ton of fun and I can’t wait to research and start playing her

[@kieran3507]

Great advancement on AA, no CV could touch me, only thing i worry about is the continued encouragement of passive play. Those close engagements are the most exciting part, pls don't damage that with the commander rework.

[@Myomer104]

**Mentions the Tillman Maximum designs** **None of the battleships depicted is a match** Well done, Wargaming.

[@closetman7757]

I believe the vermont was one of them. Like Tillman 4 - 2. Could be wrong though

[@Myomer104]

@@closetman7757 Vermont is *close* but isn't a match: Tillman IV-1 was 13 18" guns in 5 twin and one triple turrets Tillman IV-2 was 15 18" guns in 5 triple turrets Vermont is 12 18" guns in 4 triple turrets, so she's basically a Tillman IV-2 with the central turret removed.

[@closetman7757]

@@Myomer104 oh OK. Good to know, thanks.

[@abuhelalrashed8736]

MORE FOOD FOR MY THUNDERER

[@kikekike2558]

Mmm and your thunderer is food for my yamo

[@Fanmarsh]

i feels Vermont will be a great ship, 18" inch and 12 of them, and 40 secs is enough. if you know how to play it, it become OP ships. i have some tips for playing Vermont (or Kansas and Minneasota): - at the start of battle dont rush, wait until enemy got spotted by DD or CVs, and then choose side that have low enemies number. - Never rush alone, or go to the front alone, or you will become hot BBQ - Always use AP. when enemy is angling you can aim for the superstructure (this method only works in < 17km for better result). - try to use all your main gun but keep your ships to angle, and after you shoot try to angle - Focus at enemy that have more Thread for you ships. - and for enemy CVs......... i have nothing to say, because you cant hide from CV, but still, use your DFAA and dodging attack so the main tips is "Dont Rush Alone or Go to Front too Far"

[@jinkichi2167]

I still trying to understand what super big brain move is this to like release a super bad battleship line that the ones that are actually grind the Vermont are never gonna look it at it again, no matter how you paint this ships WG they are bad

[@m.t.lanimations9206]

Slow speed is what I have been dealing with, since I have not reached the North Carolina.

[@blackopscw7913]

ADD THE NEW AMERICAN SHIPS TO BLITZ!

[@Alecin_]

I wish, they would!

[@blackopscw7913]

@@Alecin_ they hate blitz yet tons of players play on it

[@Alecin_]

@@blackopscw7913 what Do you mean? WHO hate WoWBLITZ?

[@blackopscw7913]

@@Alecin_ Smh

[@jesse8381]

@@blackopscw7913 you're actually blessed these floating confusion arent on blitz they wont so anything to change gameplay, i've tried them and they are all bad the only descent ship on the line is the vermont

[@pentumfarshadow7051]

It was great playing an asashio when these first came out.. or kitikaze, or akizuki, or Oster, or anything with any torpedoes whatsoever. Of course now nobody plays them... I wonder why? Could it be that it takes half the game to leave spawn? Or that German battleships are better in almost literally every sing aspect? Or could it just be everything about these ships? I guess we’ll never know, but at least spreadsheet says we’re having fun :) Side note: as much as I hate these BB’s being added, this game is still awesome :), can’t wait for Italian BB’s for now it’s time to go play some Battle Canoue

[@jayz9081]

They can't run away or reposition so if they happen to be out numbered on a flank you're fucked because they are as slow as dreadnoughts. Big slow floating turds. You can't run away because of speed. You can't out DPS because the penetration still won't do crap against angled BBs and the reload speed is the HIGHEST in the game. You can't hide and they can't miss because of the ships size. There is nothing these ships have that other top tier BBs dont have better.

[@sleepygryph]

I could deal with the slow speed but saying they are maneuverable is just a flat out lie. Maneuverability is traded for speed and you already have very little speed. You make one hard maneuver and you're a sitting duck. The only thing these ships are good at is burning, sinking and taking damage. So if you want to do your part and help other WoWS players pad their damage stats then this is the ship line for you.

[@Starfleet8555]

I love Colorado it was one of my favorite tier 7 battleships. So, I don't mind speed that much. But, these guys are just absolutely painful.

[@PeterBoddy]

Modest speed? You mean, "slower than a turtle moving backwards, uphill, in January?"

[@scorpionarthur]

First is Witch Wicca by Glen Gabriel playing in the background. I like that track ✌

[@monarchy-5623]

main belt of 406? Only two ships at Tier 10 have calibers smaller than that lol

[@mark1188]

The tier ten one had 456 mm. But it’s still not good

[@Starfleet8555]

@@mark1188 457mm But yeah the Vermont is trash. She hits hard, but I mean if you wanted a hard hitting sniper why not get Yamato. Yamato is better in almost every way.

[@calebshonk5838]

There's literally no reason to play these. The guns are mediocre in their performance at best and everything else about the ships are inferior to literally every other BB in the game. Anything Kansas, Minnesota and Vermont can do, NC, Iowa/Georgia and Montana/Ohio can do better.

[@matthewdixon5534]

When did the USN speak in “mm” when it comes to the main guns? Last I checked we spoke in inches. 12in, 14in, 16in main guns are what we speak in.

[@ISAFMobius18]

I'd love to see more lower tier and mid tier US Battleships someday as well, perhaps an entire alternate branch. Tier 4 Could be either the Delaware-class or Florida-class dreadnoughts Tier 5 Most Obvious is USS Nevada since her sister Oklahoma is at Tier 5 already Tier 6 is of course USS Pennsylvania since her sister Arizona is at tier 6 as well Tier 7 would be USS Tennessee with her sis California at the same tier Tier 8 to cap it off would be South Dakota -class to greet her Massachusetts and Alabama sisters

[@90degreesSquare]

I would have loved a split like this. Unfortunately we get these crappy paper ships instead.

[@soviet_union1936]

Tillman is not as powerful as yamato. The reason. Tillmans were for the 1920s the 457mm guns had less accuracy and lesser fire controlk systems yamatos 18 inch guns were more powerful because they were new

[@christianhill45]

I never really had a problem with their speed, but damn that reload coupled with terrible sigma and dispersion is just a slap in the face.

[@maximusretardious4597]

How to play : Watch while you get melted

[@vincentrees4970]

I would like to point out, there was a good reason Tillman's proposal was basically ignored it was utterly impractical. The Large Cruiser HMS Courageous would be a better insert.

[@jesse8381]

The only compensating thing about these new floating belly fats are their stupidly efficient aa against Tier-6 to Tier-8 planes

[@Hanszo1995]

Well, you die faster than your teammates in couple minutes at start of the game. Faster than killing a DD.

[@peter5869]

2:22 the reliable American AA Des Moines and Montana: I wish

[@NoNo-fy3kr]

It has Decent AA. LMAO Well Till they NERF the Hell out of it.

[@h3153nburg3r]

"Maximum Protection" Has standard 32mm bow but the rest is 38mm, 32mm all over on Kansas.

[@Gredoxx]

Kansaw, Minisota, Kekmont

[@FatFluffyPenguin]

No one mentioned that Tillman made these designs to prove that US Congressmen are stupid? Tillman made these designs have obscene performance to meet the demands of congressmen to see if they would actually pass his impossible designs.

[@rwarren58]

One of The best parts of having an anime chick as my captain is pressing F2. Why are American BB's so slow? I mean, they did manage to win the war. For instance, Top Speed of the Oklahoma is listed at as 20.5 knots but in the game it's barely 19 knots. I realize that things are scaled for gameplay (and I agree) but you won't give the Oklahoma at least that much speed? C'mon Man!!

[@texangem]

actually, the Oklahoma in-game is a re-fit, making it wider and heavier, slowing the speed of the Oklahoma

[@ZezkuGC]

I can see the que being filled with Smolensks to make the new bbs suffer with HE spam

[@hernanmme520]

if the commander rework is going to affect german bb's secondaries by making the worse....I'll just stop playing for a while. Is Wg thinking that there aren't more videogames in the world? They surely do. but this is just my opinion...I guess.

[@thesperminator9589]

Cause we always wanted a tier X dreadnought

[@user-ms8qg2rz5s]

12 16 inch gun fire at 40s have the same output with 9 16 inch fire at 30s. What the point for 40s reload ?

[@thegeneral9792]

Give us the Tillman class battleship with sextuplet turrets and the real super battleships.

[@rolandgonzales3343]

They should add a few tiers for this

[@spiritusmundi5398]

The best way to play these three ships is not to play them at all. Save yourself a lot of heartache and frustration as they get HE spammed to death. Putting a lot of guns on a ship and attempting to "balance" this by giving it abysmal speed, ridiculously long reload, a below average heal and a huge superstructure that gets eaten up by fires amongst other failings just doesn't cut it. I have no idea what they were even thinking of in coming up with these three proverbial lemons. I am sure the original feedback from players testing these ships would have been pretty negative, yet WG still decided to release these ships in their present from.

[@ME262MKI]

1:16 There is no more american than a floating White House

[@jtaylor12711]

WG you dropped the ball on this split. It's obvious you don't like American BB's, you nerfed my NC's AA when it was known for having great AA. If you had actually made the split from BB's that really existed and fun to play I'd be more inclined to research them. So far I'm not impressed.

[@jacqueswan2867]

Dude, your Vermont has only 102.4 AA DPS, 6 burst, 5.8 km range, with a de facto 19mm mid section, plus a torp belt doesnt protect most part of the ship and worse than Alsace. You seriously think AA, armour and torp belt are the advantages?

[@dannyboyswe123]

they should give them same heal as the other USN BBs have, buff the speed to 25-26knts and reload to 35-38s

[@djpuggs7287]

Man if they actually added Tillman 4-2 that will be a nightmare, instead they should add N3 class Battleship in the Royal Navy.

[@butter1339]

Quick question why is it that Kansas in wow legends is a tier 7 and not a tier 6, but North Carolina is more modern.

[@Finalsolution77889]

As a lot of people mentioned already it's nothing but a huge target for HE spammers. Just keep it spotted and they will sit in smoke screen or behind an island and keep firing HE all day long

[@SHOPTUBE867]

Skip to Vermont easy and convenient

[@hmshood9212]

Hey WG! The Tillman designs at minimum could still go 25.2 knots. A 23 knot top speed seriously? We’re dealing with a Tillman I hull with the Tillman IV guns with a little less belt armor. So it’s a 70,000 ton vessel so it should go 26.5 knots. It’s still the slowest but only a little less than the Yamato. Please get your shit together.

[@bulldog2000]

These things should have ridiculous armor since slow and reload that almost makes the Italians blush

[@OsborneCox.69.420]

The Kansas is a freaking MONSTER in Legends. Too bad the same isn’t true for PC ..

[@sohammohapatra871]

How to use 10 commander skill points for Vermont

[@meerhossain5263]

The girthlords are here

[@IJN_Kaga_CV-3]

(me knowing i will never get to the ships in years) wow they are USN floating FLEET because a fortress is nothing to them

[@Orkel2]

Finally a balanced new branch instead of powercreep, this line is good for the game. People will call them shit because these BBs are not the best, just okay.

[@12345678981010]

no beacuse they are shit ! i rather play any other bb then these floating turds!

[@soarinskies1105]

While I agree that this line is good for the game, I do feel that Kansas’s penetration value should at the very least be buffed to within standards of the new Colorado guns instead of the old, and Minnesota’s penetration value should be buffed to within the standards of the current penetration value of the tier 8 percent battleship North Carolina’s guns . Other than that yeah these ships are fine for the game.

[@WielkaKasza]

Did you play these ships? While Vermont at least has some decent firepower, Kansas and Minnesota are total bust. Weak firepower, bad maneuverability, bad turret angles, impossible to angle well, worst heals than US counterparts, big real estate for HE spammers. Only upsides these ships have is decent AA and good torp damage reduction. T8 N. Carolina is straight up better than T9 Minnesota. T7 Sinop is straight up better than T8 Kansas and Colorado with 32mm bow and stern would be better than Kansas, no other buffs required. Change my mind :)

[@Lixuskzs]

Still not available....

[@user-dn2dc9px4y]

wg: I want more sniping bbs, more!

[@ismetozcan3407]

Kansas and Minnesota need a super heavy sheels and Vermont and Monty has almost same armour (Vermont have 150mm extended belt and much more low citatel ). Why new player chose this ship they already boring after the 7 tier 20 knot ships

[@charleswhite1647]

No 1944 Uss Nevada, Uss West Virginia, Uss Pennsylvania yet.... sigh

[@matejkar6664]

am i the only one who heard new gunsounds for 406s?

[@lulachavarria6704]

VERY GOOD

[@jozseftoth9368]

Can't wait to play Vermont. Probably with reload mod

[@Starfleet8555]

Reload doesn't help that much. And you're sacrificing accuracy

[@suzylstanton]

Vermont

[@thesovietunion6374]

Key features FAT

[@fodorviktor6155]

Good maneuverability, range mod on Vermont, wtf. Do you even play your own game?

[@natus1]

Is this a real ship I tried searching this on google it said uss Vermont bb20 pls tell me it’s real

[@trevortrabeaux4]

No the Vermont in this video is a blueprint design, brought to life in the game. It’s based off of the “Maximum Battleship” designs by Senator Tillman, which included 70,000-80,000 ton plus dreadnoughts from 1916.

[@tonygray1281]

So they are over glorified AA support ships, that can't keep up with their escort?.

[@Aelvir114]

Yes let’s not give Kansas (South Dakota 1920) the actual man battery it deserves (406 mm/50 Mark 2), no, give it this glorified triple Colorado gun that never existed nor would the USN ever have bothered with when they’d just slap the 16”/50 Mark 2.

[@hunterleite9923]

Don’t get rid of the Massachusetts just take down the firepower to match the North Carolina they have the same firepower in real life and it’s about an hour away from me to east in battleship cove

[@eMercody]

They can’t do that to a premium ship, the community’s Caesar shit show made that very clear. Also it isn’t the firepower that makes massa good, as it is slightly worse, her big strength is secondaries paired with a below water citadel and a ridiculous heal.

[@rickjarvis5954]

I used to live in north dartmouth. saw the mass everytime i went over the bridge.

[@hunterleite9923]

@@eMercody technically they can but down want to do that but I’ll be surprised if they do that cause it should be on the same level as the North Carolina

[@hunterleite9923]

@@eMercody but we can’t do anything about it

[@hunterleite9923]

@@rickjarvis5954 nice